So, I have a fix for that
#general
void void
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cut off your toes
golden gust
ingrown toenails literally run in my family
void void
Nobody runs in my family
golden gust
It's just one of those joyous things that comes with the family name
ancient bolt
oh you're so right simple
if I had just fixed it this wouldn't be happening
definitely not that I literally require a doctor to numb the toe to cut into it because that's the only way to access that part of the toe and he has to cauterize it to stop it from growing there
well fuck me sideways I need to leave my place again and go to the store
seems I can't get what I need delivered
fallen oracle
Toenail clippers?
ancient bolt
bandages
void void
how do you delete a review
fallen oracle
You report it
void void
I mean
fallen oracle
Proabbaly cause you accused me in it
ancient bolt
omg will people pay me to leave reviews on their resources?
I'll fucking take that money
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pay you 5 cents to review concrete as 5 star
void void
I would never trust a service like that
ancient bolt
for contract work I bill at $100 / hour
void void
cause if they stop liking you they can 1 star all your resources
ancient bolt
and i round up to the hour
ancient bolt
give me the money first
ancient bolt
I don't need the money as badly as you need the review
void void
the only 1 star rating I ever left on a resource was on a malicious plugin and I subsequently reported it and it was taken off spigotmc within 2 days
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fine I'll go ask z
ancient bolt
why can't you install spigot plugins in-game
void void
Personally I am against 1 star reviews because 99.9% of the time the "issues" are not purposeful at all and are in fact bugs and if reported properly they would be fixed and other times the "issues" are features that can be turned off
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reviews are for user experience and bugs really sorta ruin that
so idk where that shit comes from
yeah there are proper channels
but it's not like it doesn't affect user experience which is what reviews are for
welcome to they make the decisions
u wont
void void
I love how that is legit something someone can do
10 years ago that would be unthinkable
Cloning a popular website that is just to get back at someone
hot gorge
I'm going to make a fork of your fork of spigot and ban anyone who tries to download it.
golden gust
Good reason to download it imho
Cons: Got banned
Pros: Don't have to deal with Sonorous
hot gorge
I am extremely unpleasant
blazing geode
austere ivy
@wide chasm, responding to your constructive criticisms (thanks a bunch!)
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I can't really have GameMode as a parameter because the intended usage is:
For survival: /gms, /gm s, /gamemode s, /gm 0, /gamemode 0, /gm survival, /gamemode survival.
And so on for all the other gamemodes. But for parameters, I can't have aliases (/gms) for specific parameters, also I think I'd have to create something for translating s, 0, and survival, to GameMode.SURVIVAL which I think might be more complicated. But if there's a better way please let me know!! -
Done! Thank you.
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We talked about this quite a bit so you know how a bit more complicated this is. I did do what you recommended which is extracting it, however I did it as best as I could. There are some events like BlockBreakEvent that only implement getPlayer() in that event and not inherited, which means if I made a method, I'd have to take in specifically BlockBreakEvent and then I'd just be repeating the same code, just in another method. I did do most though, so thank you!
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Doing this now! :D
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We talked about this, just a caveat of trying to limit players' options, so yeah.
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I just realized why I put those in Integer and Short instead of int and short. It's because, well, take a peek at the builder. I'm only adding that data to the item if it's explicitly set, and I have no way of checking if it's set to 0 as a default, or if it's explicitly set to 0, so I need to use null to know that, so I need those boxes. There might be a better way so if there is let me know though!
Overall, thanks for your criticism. I really appreciate it. Some didn't go through because they just didn't work as well BUT some did change my code for the better. You can see what I did later on in the repo because I'll commit the changes. Thanks :)
still onyx
anyone familiar with the multiverse 2 commands? like a multiverse genius
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
austere ivy
what
electronic, educate me on this.
This is what I'm/he's referring to.
Different aliases pointing to different parameters!?
He's saying that somehow all three methods could be combined into one Gamemode command.
How would I do that?
golden gust
Context resolvers
You provide a resolver for GameMode and then pull it from there, lazy aliases are a pita for that, but easy to implement as you could just create alias type methods for things like gma
latent sorrel
Anyone mind takin a peek at this to help me figure what is the issue? No new plugins were added, no configs changed, nothing different from when it ran smooth all day and yesterday.
We did a bunch of world edits and during one of them it took way longer than it should have and stayed locked up until the server hit the 10 minute limit I have it on. The exact same world edit took less than 30 seconds twice before that third one.
After it crashed fully I launched it again and it was fine for maybe a minute before it started lagging, stopped lagging, tps ups and downs constantly, then freezes entirely again and sat there till it hit the 10 minute limit again.
golden gust
[21:03:57 WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 11843ms or 236 ticks behind
[21:05:12 WARN]: [me.lucko.luckperms.lib.hikari.pool.HikariPool] luckperms-hikari - Thread starvation or clock leap detected (housekeeper delta=45s438ms552µs922ns).
[21:05:12 ERROR]: --- DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH - git-Paper-131 (MC: 1.14.3) ---
[21:05:12 ERROR]: The server has not responded for 39 seconds! Creating thread dump
either your clock jumped or your system is severly overloaded for some reason
latent sorrel
Cant figure out why tho. It just keeps sayin has not responded for _ till it crashes
limber knotBOT
hey is there a way to check if an inventory view has a title?
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yes we use nanotime
limber knotBOT
like I'm getting a title not set error when trying to do a getTitle().equals(whatever)
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generally when the watchdog thread spits out "not responded for" and the time in there doesn't line up with the config'd interval it's thread starvation
latent sorrel
the one in paper, yea
golden gust
that's not a crash
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xray has a known issue with plugins being stupid fucking cunts
golden gust
That's the server process being overloaded to all heck
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but yeah that crash is not xray
golden gust
wut pr?
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limber knotBOT
wattup ppl
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that one
golden gust
I did start reviewing the item despawn one, that's fun
Actually, save me a sarky comment on github
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that one is looks fun
limber knotBOT
am very happy to hear about antixray being back and phoenix606 putting travelagent back in
golden gust
@celest coyote WTF is that indentation?
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link pr
golden gust
~paper-2128
void void
golden gust
I was actually going to ask wtf your plan was with the cache in the async stuff
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moment
golden gust
(Looked like you still had it there last I looked
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@celest coyote why is the death logic duplicated
and if it is duplicated should ensure a diff occurs on update
golden gust
Cleaner diff, but that's actually incorrect too
latent sorrel
welp, might as well try to move to 1.14.4 with one of my backups and commit this trainwreck and whatever caused it today to the voids
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k what about async
there's about a trillion types of caches I've been working with in async 
golden gust
I'd need to have a look over it as I've not had a peek in a good while
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is it the chunk status cache
or is it the general "cache" in the file io thread
"cache" since it's not really but
or is it the triple quotation marks chunk "cache" for unloading chunks
merry talon
what part of
DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER
do you not understand
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as long as there's no gh issue it's fine
merry talon
no fuk u
merry talon
probably diamond
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merry talon
i let my silver mercy main place and still got masters
and ur plat
that says something
golden gust
I was thinking ChunkProviderServer, I'd need to look over your changes \o/
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you mean you got lax to boost you
oh which one was that
I don't recall doing any caching there
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you know my mercy is silver
merry talon
not just ur mercy
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my only diff to the chunk provider is the async api
and the sync load finder
and the prioritization bumping for sync loads
austere ivy
OK.
fallen oracle
OK.
austere ivy
I'm trying to avoid super-nesting.
Instead of:
@EventHandler
public void onInventoryClick(InventoryClickEvent event) {
if (event.getWhoClicked() instanceof Player) {
Player player = (Player) event.getWhoClicked();
if (event.getClickedInventory() != null) {
if (event.getClickedInventory().getName().equals(main.getConfig().getString("inventories.piano_notes.name"))) {
if (event.isRightClick()) {
event.setCancelled(true);
PianoManager.play(player, event.getCurrentItem(), false);
}
}
}
}
}
I should do:
@EventHandler
public void onInventoryClick(InventoryClickEvent event) {
if (!(event.getWhoClicked() instanceof Player)) {
return;
}
Player player = (Player) event.getWhoClicked();
if (event.getClickedInventory() == null) {
return;
}
if (!event.getClickedInventory().getName().equals(main.getConfig().getString("inventories.piano_notes.name"))) {
return;
}
if (!event.isRightClick()) {
return;
}
event.setCancelled(true);
PianoManager.play(player, event.getCurrentItem(), false);
}
Does that look good?
Or better?
fallen oracle
Rip mobile
austere ivy
Let me screenshot.
That's better.
Personally I like nesting a tad more since it's how I'd speak, I wouldn't say:
"If I am not sitting down, go away. If I am not speaking, go away. If my right hand is not up, go away. Go put a potato in a dishwasher."
I'd say:
"If I am sitting down, speaking, and my right hand is up, go put a potato in a dishwasher."
HOWEVER, the indentation becomes a problem with my smaller screensize, it's better practice to avoid so much indentation, AND it's tough to see where it's at if you branch out.
shy shuttle
https://i.imgur.com/84uKD5a.png For "water-animals" is that just like, dolphins, turtles, fish? Not including guardians/drowned?
austere ivy
Anyone's options on this?
pulsar wigeon
water-animals is squid, turtles, and fish
that said, that minecraft is kinda broken with water animals
it doesn't respect the limit
visual delta
worldly hawk
void void
neural paper when
quick gust
do these flags actually have a performance benefit
void void
yes
pulsar wigeon
no, they're placebos clearly
pulsar wigeon
the people who wrote the jvm added a bunch of customization options that do literally nothing
uh, they are lol
wooden blade
They make for interesting conversations, isn’t that useful?
pulsar wigeon
upper flicker
Really hope we aren't using shared hosts as the bar here
golden gust
Well, You're making two assumptions
- Hosting providers actually really care about performance for end users and not makin $$$
- part of 1) G1 uses more resources for a smoother experience, churning more CPU cycles
quick gust
do shared hosts actually have options to set a servers launch args lol
quick gust
im still rocking my single vcpu core gcloud as part of the free trial
(switching for prod)
yo im launching with these startup args
and shits taking literally forever to start
golden gust
It allocates the full heap at startup
golden gust
Allso, not sure I'd recommend those flags on a single core...
void void
yeah on a single core it's rip
golden gust
Heck, not sure I'd recommend MC on a single core anyways, that will hurt performance badly
quick gust
yo my servers dead lmao
whats the best mc host resources / $ wise, soyoustart?
i asked the question specifically so it doesnt
marble summit
quick gust
if it depends whats the soyoustart competitor
stiff yarrow
@spare venture yes
The best and original Pepe Emoji Server:
https://discord.gg/p5Yj4Mk
The sequel and somewhat good server:
https://discord.gg/7aHHeCj
Third times the charm right?
https://discord.gg/PfWyjrw
Hencefourth, god said, there will be another one!
https://discord.gg/fPrzWX5
Cinco de Pepe
https://discord.gg/svQ57VW
The bigger, the better 
https://discord.gg/d9tmH8f
The Cool Kid of the Pepe's
https://discord.gg/7tJvKGa
merry talon
um
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invalid invite nossr
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yes it is ur fault
stiff yarrow
golden gust
typical nossr
ancient bolt
I thought pepe was racist
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ur wacist
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ye ban demon
merry talon
that's almost as bad as 👌
ancient bolt
bullshit
ancient bolt
well at the very least that's 1
void void
ur messages are still here
ancient bolt
i selected don't delete any messages
limber knotBOT
oh there's an option for that?
ancient bolt
ya
void void
ya
limber knotBOT
thank god discord isn't that retarded
:kappa:
also reminds me z needs to add the gh hook back here :>
ancient bolt
gh is kinda cool cause it shows dev activity for the project
don't @ me
i mean the gh hook that is
limber knotBOT
for it?
ancient bolt
wat
limber knotBOT
wat
golden gust
Java doesn't adapt as well
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generally you'd want to do the research to confirm one or the other
golden gust
Last I knew, the heavy allocation rate pretty much screws with javas smarts
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to my knowledge in-depth hasn't been done yet
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I could do it it'd be fun to learn about GC
ancient bolt
it's possible to tune CMS for MC
but G1 is just so much easier for this kind of workload
tuning CMS for it would hard and not portable
golden gust
See, one fun thing I noticed is that with Xms != Xmx, if you're "lucky", you can seemingly enter a state where GC is ripping you a new hole, while yet it believes that it's happy enough to not go expand the heap so it has more room to play
void void
ok im fucking stoned but cat that analogy was funny as shit 
ancient bolt
if you ask for a max pause time that's too short the JVM will do what it can to oblige, including slowing down your program so the allocation rates are slowed to a point where it's able to keep up to make said max pause time
which is super subtle and lots of people would never notice 😃
void void
😂
ancient bolt
the idea is if you're asking for a max pause time of x you have a reason to be asking for it, so it's better to run slower without pauses than to run fast with pauses
shell vine
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😠
stiff yarrow
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is that
stiff yarrow
yes
stiff yarrow
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apparently
stiff yarrow
nyaa
ancient bolt
mfw I build paperd on arch linux it links to a version of ncurses too new for ubuntu to use
ugh
does this mean we'll need to have a bunch of different versions of paperd available for different version of ubuntu etc
fuck ncurses 😦
limber knotBOT
how do i read chunkinfo?
whats total/inactive/border/ticking/entitiy? Count on entity in chunkinfo is very odd and must be something else than just entities in loaded chunks
limber knotBOT
entity is not the amount of entities but the amount of chunks where entites are ticked
ticking is blocks are ticked
whats ''border''
i'm not completely sure, its the border of block ticked chunks - maybe similar to the old "lazy" chunks
simple vigil
hard kernel
hello
limber knotBOT
well, intellij finally lost its mind
void void
A text from my fiance: https://puu.sh/DXusz/98ec7353fb.png
limber knotBOT
a text from simple's fiance: "We should give ^-^ all of our earthly possessions and go live in a hippie commune with no internet"
void void
denied
limber knotBOT
a text from simple's fiance: "We should break off the engagement"
void void
denied
fallen oracle
limber knotBOT
a text from simple's fiance: "It's not you, it's the way you act, speak and are"
void void
denied
limber knotBOT
a text from simple's fiance: "you are in denial"
placid thicket
may be a silly question, but is there a linux distro that can natively run windows apps? (idk pre installed WINE or something?)
limber knotBOT
Windows + wsl 😂
void void
ZorinOS? you wont get perfect compatibility buy it will run some. and zorin is designed to look like windows but :S
they tried to make it look like good old XP/7 https://puu.sh/DXuMG/6b863fecee.png
but why do you need windows apps :>
placid thicket
basically trying to build a grandma proof w7 clone. that can run office and chrome in a familiar way
placid thicket
my grandmother keeps horrifically breaking 7/10 and her poor laptop just isn't up to it
limber knotBOT
Are there better office apps than open or libre office for Linux?
void void
not really
placid thicket
if i can skin either to work almost like windows equivalents it'll be fine
limber knotBOT
The open source clones look horrible
And work horrible
Ux disaster
just like mom used to make :D
upper flicker
just tell her its like office 2003
placid thicket
my grandmother prefers 2003 so that could work
upper flicker
I mean, its main pain point is no ribbon (yes I know they added one and eventually itll be as good)
but if you dont want a ribbon anyway
libreoffice will get you 95% there
well, itll get her 95% of the way there, I assume she doesnt use outlook or complicated excel macros with vba and shit
placid thicket
got a distro recommendation for feeling windows like? most important to her are desktop environment and file folder behavior. also because windows 10 is gay has to be able to run in UEFI setup and be secure boot friendly, which i know is a big hurdle
void void
zorin.
upper flicker
tbh most of the mainstream ones will run in secure boot
so long as you dont need like an nvidia driver
that will break it
void void
btw if using chrome, pretty sure you can just stick the google docs icons on the desktop and they will function mostly like a real application
placid thicket
ill take a look at that one, my comfortable areas are Debian Ubuntu and Mint. but they are all too alien for her
placid thicket
my grandmother has an extreme distrust for google and the goverment >.>
void void
preinstalled wine, all that jazz. but wine doesnt have a perfect track record. thats all
placid thicket
oh believe me i know. my school laptop ran linux because it was too unstable for windows
void void
lol
void void
:o
placid thicket
legit couldn't install windows, the system was so unstable windows refused to run for longer than a few minutes, linux would freeze and kernel panic often. the laptop finally died a horrible death when my brother left it on under his bed sheets, when disassembled north bridge had physically slid down the motherboard and the CPU was black. according to a logger that was running, last recorded temp before system failure was over 500c
i knew it was at the end of its life but god that's a shitty way to go
void void
no idea i pulled it off the zorin website lul
placid thicket
my brother got chewed out pretty good for it by our parents, the spike was so fast though i think the chip just popped and died. not enough time to burn things
placid thicket
you mean you are NOT using the night theme?
upper flicker
night all, happy friday
wide hazel
night Z
wide hazel
happy friday-almost-ish
placid thicket
friday isn't for another 1.5 hours 0.o
upper flicker
there's going to be an xkcd on how to track users to certain geographic regions by saying something about the current time and recording their responses
thin girder
wide hazel
lol
upper flicker
assuming it doesnt already exist
placid thicket
i wish. prince george, BC, canada. where the temp goes from 40 to -40 annually
void void
can we go back to irc etiquette where no matter your local time "good morning" was when you log in and "good night" was when you log out
wide hazel
fucking Canada
void void
gave us Z
wide hazel
lol
placid thicket
canada is my cold moose riding home tho
wide hazel
i just continually blame shit on Canada and dump on it
probably because they have better healthcare
because 'murrica
wide hazel
😦 mah whitehoos
placid thicket
well to be fair the US started it...
wide hazel
something something Canadian passiveness
Canadian passiveness is a lie, though. Kash exists
placid thicket
we also have one of the scariest armies according to people we fought against in WW1/2
wide hazel
that's a Canadian cat that will claw your eyes out if you mix tabs and spaces without a second thought
void void
@wide hazel thats my recurring nightmare
past lantern
void void
sage grail
merry talon
multilingual self-documenting
marble summit
@stiff yarrow Woah, did you show a irl picture of spottedleaf?
Hopefully he gave consent or you would be Doxxing him
Wait nvm he is a animal
No Soul, No Opinion, No Legal rights
neon galleon
limber knotBOT
hi
acoustic pilot
hullo
merry talon
cute leaf 
vestal jasper
mc is a brilliantly made game
I just witnessed someone looking down at a block and hitting someone above them
wide chasm
@austere ivy For the builder, you're only adding the data to the item if specifically set, but the ItemStack has the attributes you specified anyway. Take the amount for example. If you don't set it on the item, it will be 1 by default. You could then in your field do: private int amount = 1 and then always set it on the item. If you've changed it, it'll be set to that amount. If not, it'll be 1 which it'd have been anyway since that's the default an ItemStack will be set to if you don't specify it. There are probably others you can do this for as well, just don't have your code here right now (am on phone).
merry talon
yeah the server doesn't really give a shit where you're looking
olive garden
why have fields in an item builder class other than for the item itself and maybe the meta? makes no sense if you ask me
wide chasm
Yeah, that's a good point as well, could just replace everything with an ItemStack internally.
vestal jasper
BuildTools decompiles the mc jar, applies patches, then recompiles.
PaperClip does a binary diff patch iirc.
void void
where did brian ask about his builder (again)?
rotund sparrow
merry talon
well that doesn't answer the question
the reason is because of md's lawyers
but it's also more of a decision than a requirement
void void
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Wait you are not the real nossr
woven otter
no I'm definitely the real nossr 🦆
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no @stiff yarrow is (sorry for the ping buddy)
woven otter
No I'm definitely the real nossr🦆 also 120 = 5! 😠
stiff yarrow
we can all be nossr
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woven otter
see even the real nossr50☃ agrees
stiff yarrow
☃
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Alright seems like there is enough nossr for everyone
Or both accounts belong to nossr and Im getting heavily meme'd at
stiff yarrow
I only use one account for everything
woven otter
Same
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stiff yarrow
Join us
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Join you where?
vestal jasper
yes
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stiff yarrow
even spotted furry
woven otter
nossr's are taking over
zealous maple
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u fuk stop changing my name
woven otter
hmmm
golden gust
all I'mma say is, how often have you seen a guy who is blue and trustable?
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should've known we should've sent the nukes to the smurfs and not the japanese
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stiff yarrow
unreal quarry
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vestal jasper
unreal quarry
Found it in blockbench discord ^_^
fleet lintel
paper devs:
What are your thoughts on forking spigot rather than creating patches? or are things going to stay as is for the foreseeable future. What is the relationship between your team and spigot/md5?
Paper seems to be the way forward so curious what the next evolution will be. Is there anywhere I can read up on your recent opinions?
limber knotBOT
why would you not use patches?
its a fork of spigot, the fork just isn't commited to github
since using patches is way more maintainable
and nobody really likes md over here
or well, how he manages the project and the community
the next evolution would be paper mcp 😂
maybe it will happen one day if we throw enough tacos at the sound file
void void
fleet lintel
Course i'm not going to stop using patches! not trying to argue with the current solution :) Just curious if there are thoughts / plans as to whats coming next
dapper nacelle
what's a good place to upload your resource that works only on paper?
fleet lintel
Yeah my next question was exactly that @dapper nacelle
I'd also love to see you guys to come out with a cleaner plugins directory that encouraged connection with github etc. rather than old school forum feel of spigot resources full of dirty jars :)
unreal quarry
We have paper plugins posted on paper forums
dapper nacelle
limber knotBOT
well, somebody could setup ore I guess
dapper nacelle
this site?
unreal quarry
Yes
limber knotBOT
unreal quarry
Click on community, then click forums.
limber knotBOT
like this for paper would be cool https://ore.spongepowered.org/
or maybe talk to sponge ppl and add a paper category on their ore instance?
dapper nacelle
tbf the paper forums for plugins don't seem that popular
limber knotBOT
yes
fleet lintel
You guys should definitely start an ore instance for paper
limber knotBOT
there are not many paper exclusive plugins anyways
fleet lintel
when the time is right
not for paper exclusive exactly but more as a better alternative to bukkit / spigot sites
golden gust
We've considered it and are pretty set on ore if it does happen, it's just finding the time to pull everything together, which given that people sharing plugins on our site ain't exactly high right now, it's not really a pressing concern
limber knotBOT
maybe its a chicken egg problem ^^
unreal quarry
Ppl begged for a forum. We got one. No one uses it.
fleet lintel
makes sense. optimising the game is obviously the priority
unreal quarry
Ore gonna be same way
limber knotBOT
ore doesn't look like its easy to deploy either, who uses scala?...
fleet lintel
It's jvm. you start a postgres instance and run the bin
dapper nacelle
@Nullable
public ItemMeta getItemMeta() {
return this.meta == null ? Bukkit.getItemFactory().getItemMeta(this.type) : this.meta.clone();
}
spigot logic
golden gust
Deploying ore itself is the least of our concerns
golden gust
because air
dapper nacelle
in spigot its not annotated
golden gust
It is
dapper nacelle
I meant paper
golden gust
Spigot added all those annotations in 1.13 or something
fleet lintel
You could set some sort of usage goal at the end of 30 days for it to be considered worthwhile for the community. (plugins posted / accounts created / downloads etc.) and announce it as a beta/test.
limber knotBOT
man ppl still don't know about the paper sites
golden gust
The issue is that it's tied into sponges systems
e.g. we'd need to at least look into replacing their authentication service somehow
limber knotBOT
paper for many servers is something that some developer recommended them and they just dropped in
pulsar wigeon
^^
limber knotBOT
well, they use discourse, paper uses discourse
golden gust
Well, yes; But their auth service is seperate and I've not looked into it, no idea if migration is super viable or if it's even the best way to go for us
pulsar wigeon
they just got annoyed at paperlib's huge ass warning and decided to drop a new jar in because they were tired of shitty performance anyway
dapper nacelle
player.spigot().sendMessage(ChatMessageType.ACTION_BAR, TextComponent.fromLegacyText(message));
wait its not deprecated
spigot ftw
Entity entity = player.getTargetEntity(effectDistance);
this is missing in spigot tho
oof
fleet lintel
@golden gust , wiz, minidig all good arguments
AND as a power user I'm able to scrutinise shady plugins i find on spigot, find the source on github, debug etc. However, a better plugin directory hosted by the better paper community is not because i think power users will have a better time but rather to create a better option for the non-power paper users to find reliable plugins.
Looking at the sign in, they have their own sso solution however that's served by an oauth provider they host (which is also maintained and oss. https://github.com/SpongePowered/SpongeAuth )
Any oss oauth provider could work though.
If I timebox an hour or two to
- boot ore, postgres, auth. in docker-compose
- change a few logos and strings
- launch it on a small instance
would you click in an have a look? Not trying to push you to use it straight away, just to consider my brief feasibility review
limber knotBOT
so chunk loading/unloading is async right
pulsar wigeon
unless you just force everything to be oss/unobf
only if you are using leaf's pr, magma
not in master, unless it was pulled while i slept
which i doubt
fleet lintel
well, i guess users don't have to be forced to make plugins oss but encourage it
limber knotBOT
then I am at a loss
smoky harbor
limber knotBOT
I fundamentally do not understand what is wrong with this f***** code
fleet lintel
not that your average person starting a server will ever read the code or even know what oss / code is but rather so that the one guy who does can point out that it's mining crypto on every server it's running on
pulsar wigeon
the issue is once you draw enough users you'll get shit plugins, malware, etc all over
the issue is once you draw enough users you'll get shit plugins, malware, etc all over
see: spigot resources
limber knotBOT
maybe I should just give up on listening to events and set up my own watchdog
fleet lintel
so we're in agreement that there's a problem with spigot resources anyway
limber knotBOT
or I could retire and go live in the woods
fleet lintel
i'm gonna give a few hours of today to TRY and setup a solution that you guys can look at and consider. i'm going into getting ready to be shot down but ill enjoy trying :)
golden gust
We know that ore itself shouldn't be an issue
It's more "how do we plug this into our existing setup", which ofc takes time to figure out plan and get it all together
fleet lintel
fair fair. One thing I could also plan / write is a small script which reads the existing discourse plugin forum and allows an instant mirror on ore
limber knotBOT
fuck these non-replicable bugs and fuck whatever indecisive POS is triggering them
icy mirage
woven otter
what's ore
fleet lintel
a plugin directory made by the sponge team https://ore.spongepowered.org/
woven otter
oh
pulsar wigeon
just decided to look at the latest comment in #paper-github and saw this picture: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/2257#issuecomment-508163479
upper flicker
wizjany do you not run XP? You have to run XP to be in the cool kids club here
void void
Anybody know why Pregen with world border leads to such a. high memory usage
void void
erm should this be reported on mojira?
vestal jasper
no what's wrong is that resource pack fucking with the alignment of the hotbar slots
woven otter
no what's wrong is Java 1.8.0_74
pulsar wigeon
it's
A E S T H E T I C
E
S
T
H
E
T
I
C
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thanks for copying me
vestal jasper
there's nothing aesthetic about your hotbar being fucked
pulsar wigeon
idk what you're even talking about leaf
pulsar wigeon
anti?
woven otter
wrong you were supposed to call leaf retarded
vestal jasper
animal
rights
lol ok leaf
pulsar wigeon
looks like xray to me
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not an animal 😠
pulsar wigeon
you're right
vestal jasper
ok furry
vestal jasper
true
void void
ya thts on optifine tho
vestal jasper
@stiff yarrow thanks
woven otter
leaves don't have any rights
void void
so leme test on vanilla
pulsar wigeon
happens on vanilla too azure
void void
ooh
pulsar wigeon
or at least, happens on fabric
i don't think i have a pure vanilla client, now that i think about it
umbral tiger
For people wanting to advertise their Vanilla server on a new and fresh subreddit we are trying to grow, it would be much appreciated if you'd post your server on:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MinecraftVanillaSMP/
Thanks in advance
void void
mojira~
vestal jasper
vanilla server advertising
paper discord
void void
dont see any bug reports for it yet
umbral tiger
because the others are trash
jaunty oriole
be a paper server posing as a vanilla server 
vestal jasper
also
vanilla servers
pulsar wigeon
you're trash
vestal jasper
I can't wait to get bored 1 hour into gameplay :D
pulsar wigeon
so is your server
vestal jasper
expecting wiz to be nice
void void
- vanilla xray
pulsar wigeon
leaf pretty sure your patches crash more people than worldedit does
umbral tiger
well nvm then lol
void void
lol
umbral tiger
oof
pulsar wigeon
good thing the rest of the paper team doesn't let you push to master
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ur gon lose
void void
lol im w wizjany
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just u wait wiz
vestal jasper
waiting
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i'll get push access and then ban WE 😠
void void
ima world edit 2k blocks and lets see wat happens
jaunty oriole
paper will support fawe instead 
pulsar wigeon
you mean that 🚮 that takes months to update to new versions?
sharp sentinel
did that emoji have a stroke
vestal jasper
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jaunty oriole
pulsar wigeon
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
finite wave
Muuh
upper flicker
Hey look it's Jan
delicate plinth
ancient wave
void void
Hm
dapper nacelle
do people often donate when your resource provides them beneficial?
tranquil bone
Whats the size you're generating @void void
void void
r=13000
tranquil bone
How long is it taking you?
tranquil bone
My players want a 50k border
void void
Helllll nooooo
tranquil bone
Been running for like 4 days 30%
tranquil bone
Yes sir
tranquil bone
It's at 1000
void void
CraftBukkit takes forever to compile
unless you want to crash your shit every few minutes
sand vale
Hey who can help me with a stupid issue I'm having with yaml syntax?
I'm trying to add another command to "CommandsRequiringAccessTrust:" in GriefPrevention's config.
I'm completely failing yaml 101 >_<
upper flicker
Have you tried to just putting it through one of those online validator tools?
Usually they point me to the problem pretty quick
upper flicker
Oh
sand vale
I've gone completely brain dead on this :(
upper flicker
Yeah I'm not familiar with GP, hopefully someone else is
upper flicker
More like meancat
sand vale
CommandsRequiringAccessTrust: [
/cmd
/cmd2
]
This /is/ valid yaml, right?
golden gust
I wanna say that you're missing some ,'s
sand vale
yeah, Cindy finally got back to me
but would the space cause issues (not specifically for GP)
umbral tiger
Vanilla is best way to play Minecraft @spare venture
sand vale
Ok great! Thank you Z and cat :)
golden gust
paste what you've got onto there and click go
sand vale
was just about to go there now :P
yay! says it's valid. Now to restart the server and see if GP breaks >_<
cosmic raft
07:43:54 up 34 days, 11:04, 2 users, load average: 1.48, 1.13, 1.10 bye bye desktop
umbral tiger
no are you?
sand vale
Kash? That's not bad for a desktop...
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10:42:44 up 770 days, 17:03, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
holy
no?
vanilla jar is trash
paper is good
yeah it is
if you dont put anything on it
golden gust
Reminds me of the time my stepfather "jerryrigged" the power for the house
umbral tiger
so?
golden gust
Literally had mooonths of uptime as the power didn't go out
Modifications to the server software induce behavioral changes
umbral tiger
okay whatever you want barty
go ahead and run a totally vanilla server for 400 people
good luck with that lol
golden gust
It 100% depends upon your play of "vanilla"
pulsar wigeon
🎣
umbral tiger
sure
golden gust
For some people, perf mods/behavioral changes are not an issue
Now, go plug paper on eigencraft and see the hell you get
Heck, go plug craftbukkit
pulsar wigeon
void void
owo
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is it me or #waterfall-github
golden gust
It was me
pulsar wigeon
WAY TO GO CAT U BROKE GITHUB
golden gust
I didn't know that that was shared for everybody
But, I accidently clicked the hiding x
umbral tiger
whateve ryou want Barty
In my eyes I run a Vanilla server
I advertise it as Vanilla
my members say it is Vanilla
pulsar wigeon
tehlo no one gives a shit about your server
golden gust
Never even knew that the deletion of that stuff was shared with others
pulsar wigeon
go somewhere else with this nonsense
umbral tiger
wizjany nobody gives a fuck about the useless immature stuff youre shitting out of your mouth
vestal jasper
🍿
pulsar wigeon
triggered
umbral tiger
alright yall can go fuck yourselfs, toxic ass community
vestal jasper
calls someone immature
takes the bait
nova badge
Its not vanilla unless it has Reika's mods :^)
pulsar wigeon
LUL
void void
loll
pulsar wigeon
the most vanilla experience i had on your server was clicking a vote button and receiving 16 diamonds
and full enchanted diamond armor for the next few buttons
nova badge
But thats not vanilla wiz ;~; you're changing gameplay
pulsar wigeon
ok that's a lie, technically i only got 3 of 4 pieces of armor
and barty insists i won the lottery
but we all know he's just hiding how p2w his server is
mystic osprey
vestal jasper
pulsar wigeon
do it
nova badge
Get on the blacklist
pulsar wigeon
i'd love to get your server blacklisted :^)
vestal jasper
my dad's middle name is microsoft
pulsar wigeon
/annoying12yearoldvoice
vestal jasper
they also said they'd fix the performance problems in 1.14
void void
some time in the not too distant future™
pulsar wigeon
make the client check the srv record?
duh?
same way they do the current blacklist?
nova badge
Infinite nesting srv records.
pulsar wigeon
the client knows what the end address is with an SRV
it's not a proxy
it's a redirect
they just only check the initial address for the blacklist
nova badge
Its intentionally half assed right now. If they wanted to be serious with it it would be a different story.
golden gust
SRV records just contain info which tells the client where to go, issue is mojang checks what's actually used to connect to the server, not what the user enters
nova badge
Don't they have that magic button to run your own vanilla server
Believe its called singleplayer :^)
nova badge
Byte for byte, no deviations vanilla
void void
ah god I haven’t laughed this hard in a while
“iTs thE sAmE”
false advertising, report him for going against EULA 😂
indigo tree
void void
yess
limber knotBOT
Mojang is working on their Eula
void void
paper is gaining on bstats 😉
limber knotBOT
And from what Helen and Aubrey said it's going to be much better
golden gust
oh boy dis shud be fun
limber knotBOT
They will since mojang will actually fix the blacklist ;)
worn ember
🤔
limber knotBOT
There will be also a better way to report servers, reports will be checked individually and you will receive feedback on your report
void void
limber knotBOT
Well, that's pretty much what partnered servers on bedrock are
I think we will hear back from Helen on Monday with some feedback to questions ppl had
Do you know the blog posts?
From 2014?
Those are meaningless now
Helen said, if partnered bedrock servers do it, you can do it too
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who is helen
limber knotBOT
Java server community manager at mojang
Shes basically the one to talk to if you are in our part of the community
She works for Aubrey, who is head of player communications (so the 6 community managers, support, brand enfrocement etc)
limber knotBOT
We talked about /back in particular, she said she didn't see anything wrong with that command as long as you can't use it in combat to escape a fight
You can also just @ her on Twitter
That's how I first got into contact with her
It's her job to read every twitter notification
And she does that
She might not react, but she will read it
The distinction she made is pretty much: no competitive advantage. So /home is fine in general, it isn't if you can escape a fight.
As that would be unfair
vestal jasper
That sounds pretty reasonable
jaunty oriole
are surprise mechanics a competitive advantage
limber knotBOT
Surprise mechanics?
Just use combat timer
So that they can't use /back in a fight
Then it should be fine
Again, the commercial usage guidelines were always vague, but that's why they want to make enforcement better
Whats the advantage of /back?
How does it allow you to win?
So it's a qol feature
I would look at the chat log but the guild is offline like always
See, bypassing the timer would only allowed out of combat
As it would be unfair in combat
https://hasteb.in/ozohexul.sql that's a small summary Noble wrote
First part is stuff Helen said initially, second was after our questions
golden gust
As long as kits are balanced between paid and non-paid kits, they should be allowed if they don't provide a competitive advantage | wonder what their def is on balanced
pulsar wigeon
paid kits = nonpaid kit with fancy colors :^)
limber knotBOT
Oh yeah, it's all vague
pulsar wigeon
yea it's all fukin guesswork til we see something from them
limber knotBOT
But since reports will be treated on a case by case basis in the future (instead of just a form letter, hey you did something wrong, fix it or ban!) Things should be better
Basically, the new support site will be used for reports, so if you report a server it's like a support request
Their goal is to make the game better for all players, not to annoy you
Different teams ;)
🤷
Don't forget how large the game is
And for the longest time they had one single community manager
Now there are 6
And considering the scale of the game, its amazing the normal ppl still get to influence it, via Reddit or Twitter or the feedback site
pulsar wigeon
imagine if you made premium plugins
void void
ye i'd be a millionaire
ughh how would u join args in Bukkit.broadcastMessage(ChatColor.DARK_RED + "[Announcement] " + ChatColor.GRAY + args);
pulsar wigeon
same way you'd join them normally
the rest of the shit doesn't matter, you just need to join the array to a string
golden gust
You have a string array
pulsar wigeon
do you know what an array is?
void void
String.join
golden gust
You need to take that array and join all of the elements in it to a single string
dapper nacelle
quasi valley
compared to yesterday, the tps are not as bad/not on 5 with 1.14 https://kennytv.eu/files/lphcs.png 
paper is the most sexy thing ever
pulsar wigeon
not yet
golden gust
I just found some code in my plugin which turns cooked rabbit with the name Cat meat to Cooked "chicken"
fallen oracle
Interesting, positions open at spigot
golden gust
Guess that used to be a mob drop or something \o/
quasi valley
about time
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upper flicker
It's the same build as 147
There's a bug that's making it trigger an SCM poll when it shouldn't
void void
mk
I think my so called server “donations” or income are getting high, i think I need to register my server as a business right?
If so, What should I tell to the business registration office? What type of business shall I say? How can I explain this in a simple way so that the they can understand my business model? Anyway my server is not a EULA compliant, will this get me intro trouble? Thank you for reading. Responses would be greatly appreciated.
Your server has to be EULA compliant so it doesn't get shutdown
^
golden gust
You should speak to people who know what they're talking about instead of credentialless people on the internet
pulsar wigeon
businesses/donations are very context dependent
void void
Mhm
pulsar wigeon
we are neither lawyers, nor your lawyers, nor lawyers of your jurisdiction
austere ivy
Excuse me? I have credentials. Tons of them, let me think.
golden gust
(Yea, I heavily doubt that what you consider as donations are actually donations and not purchases)
austere ivy
Birth certificate..
uh..
Passport..
And as the highly certified person I am, I announce that the EULA is VOID.
Go, be free! /s
This hotel doesn’t have a basement :peepoJuice:
void void
Can u report ur income without registering ur mc server? Sorry if im new to this
austere ivy
I don’t know if it’s because I’m becoming a ROCKSTAR DEV(tm) or it’s because I’m paper but I’ve been getting a lot of people asking me to be a manager for their web server hosting, or them dev for my server, blah blah
It’s odd
I’m a paper MEMBER
Not that I’m paper ;p
pulsar wigeon
addy, again that depends highly on where you are and we're not legal nor financial professionals
umbral tiger
depends on what high is to you @void void
amber tinsel
Is this error related that the plugin is using NMS stuff and need to be updated? https://pastebin.com/rkDzPkZd
It did work fine in 1.14.3
amber tinsel
That is the last dev build.
That's why i'm bit confussed why it doesnt work.
Uh
I redownloaded the latest again, and now it works
Strange 
amber tinsel
Yes.
But i thoughed i had the lastest dev build.
As i downloaded it yesterday.
But i think i uploaded a older dev build to the server accidentally
nimble prairie
void void
Anyone here using Wilderness-TP plugin?
golden gust
Did that setting even do anything?
I did try to tweak it so it was more friendly for when I'm not wearing my glasses and just gave up
whole sapphire
umbral tiger
I keep forgetting this, is JRE or JDK better for servers?
golden gust
Doesn't generally matter
umbral tiger
but?
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doesn't matter
umbral tiger
kk, thanks
dusky chasm
Is there anything I can do to help fix timing out or an existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host issues from happening often to some players, even tho they can login to other servers fine?
golden gust
.895
dusky chasm
Thank u : o I’ll try some of those
cosmic raft
hello
limber knotBOT
Its me
cosmic raft
am at the airport \o/
placid thicket
cosmic raft