#general | PaperMC | Page 283

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 5:13 PM

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@everyone

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Be inclusive, think about the mexicans.

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@everyjuan

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:13 PM

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@everyoneexceptgayducks

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:13 PM

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(I'm legally allowed to make that joke as I'm hispanic)

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:13 PM

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drops the n word
(i'm legally allowed to i'm white)

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:13 PM

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thonk

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Almost rolled off bed and died. Yikes

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Too late, u ded

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:14 PM

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I'm going to go drink some juice.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Solid butter

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 5:15 PM

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In before pinged_villager

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:15 PM

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http://www.solidbutter.com/ wtf xD

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why is that a thing

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some nub fashion thing

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i wanted that domain ;n;

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Load time is horribe on mobile, wtf is that website

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:16 PM

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i bet they didnt scale the images

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lmao

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nubs

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I'm making a PollManager class which is in charge of creating Poll objects and keeping them in a list.

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With the Poll objects, should I go further down the OO train and make the Option objects their own classes OR just save them as a hashmap with strings and integers with how many votes they have?

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I'm feeling like Option objects would be nice as it's more explicit what they are, rather than just being strings.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:17 PM

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What is the Option going to store? If it's just a String, it's not very useful creating another class for that imo.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:18 PM

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A String, and the amount of votes it has.

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Let me spit out some code, it's kind of a mess, I'm at a loss of how to do this best.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:19 PM

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i guess you could make a class for that

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I feel like OO can be taken too far sometimes.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:19 PM

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probably cleaner than a tuple anyway

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Making a class for eveeerrrything.

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I don't want to fall into that trap because then it's harder to work with than not BUT I don't want to have a magic "tuple" list

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:20 PM

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well it also makes it a lot more modular

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:20 PM

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If you're going to have useful methods in the Option class that you'd otherwise have an ugly Util class for or something, then I'd do it, otherwise I'd just leave the map there.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:20 PM

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squirr

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Yeah.

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Instead of having addVote() or setVotes() or getVotes() in the Poll class, I'll have it in the Option class.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 5:21 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/RFqeK3j.png
do you remember this

Imgur

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:21 PM

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wouldnt it be better to call it Vote then?

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Exploding sheep?

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:21 PM

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So instead of addVote(String) where String is just the name of the option in the hashmap, it'll be

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:21 PM

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or VoteOption

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:21 PM

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No because

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I mean I guess

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VoteOption sure

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but I'm not making a new VoteOption class for each vote

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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punching sheep before we could shear them?

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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yes

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no

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I mean shearing sheep with punching

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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wiz big doo doo 💩

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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why are you exploding sheeps coopCry

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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:(

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https://pastebin.com/ywaAJiWL

Pastebin

class PollsManager { List polls; PollsManager.newPol...

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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yes .-.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 5:22 PM

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im punching sheeps

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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ignore PollsManager.newPoll("MyPoll", new Option("ma m"))

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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i mean vs the actual shears tool

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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🐑

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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I was just thinking about syntax.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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which uh...didn't come til like beta 1.7 or 1.8 or something

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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could be

void void Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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That's one issue with having an Option as a class, instead of being able to do newPoll("pollName", "option1", "option2")

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you have to do

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newPoll("pollName", new Option("option1"), new Option("option2");

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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You could still have what you have now, but just wrap that to an Option thing internally.

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 5:23 PM

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When sheep were only good for one set of wool then had to be purged

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:24 PM

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however I suppose I could handle that in the constructor..

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:24 PM

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great movie

📎 unknown.png

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Odd Objects

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a Java Series

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Optional Development

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Strange events sounds like a stranger things knock off

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:26 PM

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its some horror movie lol

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didt watch it tho so idk

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 5:31 PM

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fleet nacelle Jul 25, 2019, 5:32 PM

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austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:32 PM

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ah hek I have to deal with players too

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I can't just let players add votes indefinitely

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 5:32 PM

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See, thefuck is too slow for day to day usage for me

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:32 PM

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so Option will have to store a list of players I guess?

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 5:33 PM

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But, if it wasn't...

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Okay

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so I

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Rewrite the thefuck in rust

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I am going way too OO for this I think

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 5:33 PM

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//todo

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:34 PM

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because then I need to store votes COMBINED with player

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so should I just make HashMap<CommandSender, int> of votes?

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OR COULD I make a Vote object..

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hmm

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PollManager managing Polls which manage Options which manage Votes

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now this is true OO

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This is one part I think I'd like more about functional programming, is you don't have to deal with behavioral issues like this.

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You just do whatever gets the job done.

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Passing stuff around as raw data instead of objects containing objects containing objects dealing with objects seems nicer.

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In some ways it ISN'T nicer, but in some ways like this, it makes it almost simpler to deal with.

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 5:35 PM

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ew dont store commandsender

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:35 PM

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daaamn lol, after seeing the new information released by swedish prosecutors, gonna say Rocky deserves some prison time.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:36 PM

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@sturdy inlet I can't have people just adding votes

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if I don't store commandsender (or player) then I won't be able to track the votes.

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I mean

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I guess I can store UUID

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but I need to somehow track something that can be used to .. track, the players

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:37 PM

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You need a Poll interface with a PollImpl, with a Vote and VoteImpl and an Option and OptionImpl, then factories: PollFactory, VoteFactory and OptionFactory, all with managers, because why not: VoteManager, OptionManager and VoteManager and the factories can't just create the objects on their own, no, no, no, VoteFactoryImpl, PollFactoryImpl and OptionFactoryImpl. Now this. This is art.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:37 PM

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if I don't then every time they do /vote <poll> <option> they'll add a new vote.

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oh gosh

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no no no stef

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no nO NO NO

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Need a ManagerFactory interface for each manager and a corresponding ManagerFactoryImpl too

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:37 PM

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👀

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 5:37 PM

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This is why people fucking hate java dev

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lol

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Oh, yes, of course. Can't just make those normal classes, everything needs to extend and implement something.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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I never really understood plugins that have an interface for EVERY

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SINGLE

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OBJECT

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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lol

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

GitHub

EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

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wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Then you can switch the interface if needed, or override it.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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It's like NOT EVERYTHING needs to have an interface. Unless it's an API or you're passing things around constantly and you need a "contract", UGH more work

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Enterprise Java has an aversion to concrete classes.

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It's wild.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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For multi-platform plugins it's definitely useful to have interfaces with an impl per platform.

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For everything else though... idk?

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Somebody was saying how our moderation is pretty tolerant

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I just clicked the pins

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😄

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Paper's moderation?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:40 PM

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My plugin has a RegionFactory, Region and WorldEditRegion, btw because the class loader loads every class a class uses on load and it messes with the soft dependency 😦

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:40 PM

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When's the next pinned message gonna be?

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:40 PM

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stop doing retarded things with classloaders then

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:<

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I haven't changed the class loader

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That's just Bukkit's class loader.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I haven't even touched ClassLoaders yet

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bleeggh

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:40 PM

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??

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do you have your soft-dependency tightly coupled to the rest of your code?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Class loading in Java is cool but can be quite a headache

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:41 PM

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then that's a dependency

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:41 PM

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you shouldn't have to do any of that

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:41 PM

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It's a soft dependency that makes the plugin not work if you don't use it.

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:weSmart:

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Couldn't your soft dependency integrations be automatically enabled when it detects the dependency is enabled? Not sure what the issue is atm

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:41 PM

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I have a method in Region for saving it as a schematic. I use WE for that. but, if I have that method in my normal class and the dependency isn't there, then it fucks up.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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pull it to another class

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Saving schematics is a minor part and disabled when WE isn't there.

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I did, hence WorldEditRegion.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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thonk

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why regionfactory and region then

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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My plugin has a RegionFactory, Region and WorldEditRegion, btw because the class loader loads every class a class uses on load and it messes with the soft dependency 😦

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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you should only need one class to interface with WE

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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i legit thought he was meming

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lol

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Region is for when WE is absent and RegionFactory because I don't want to check every time which one to pick when creating a Region.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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so it's a stub

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:42 PM

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also why dont my quotes work smh

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:43 PM

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oh, so your own region class

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Yes, not WE's.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:43 PM

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thought you were wrapping WE's region class

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Should have specified that

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If the classes a class uses were only loaded once that code is actually called, I could've just put it in the same class.

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But apparently that isn't what happens.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:43 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/math-thinking-calculating-zachgalifianakis-the-hangover-gif-4774531

Tenor

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me rn

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Due to defineClass in Bukkit's class loader iirc.

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Or whatever it was called. Was some native method.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:44 PM

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wat

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bukkit doesn't have native code

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:45 PM

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No, defineClass is Java.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:45 PM

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yea

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oh

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you mean in the java classloader that bukkit uses

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Yes

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:45 PM

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thought you mean like, in PluginClassLoader

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that they were doing something non-standard

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Nah, nothing non standard, I just didn't know it worked that way.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:46 PM

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.wa cos(2^128-1)*32)

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:46 PM

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we even have docs on this for WG https://worldguard.enginehub.org/en/latest/developer/dependency/#classpath-woes-with-soft-dependencies

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austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:46 PM

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huh

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:46 PM

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reminds me i need to write API docs for WE still

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:46 PM

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I think I messed up the parenthesis on that

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I'll write the API docs :D

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:46 PM

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got pretty burned out after re-writing all the other docs in the space of a few afternoons

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will do api some other time

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Docs should be written before the code because the code should reflect the documentation

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But, yeah docs is annoying.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:47 PM

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that sounds like a load of bs

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:47 PM

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auto generate docs using NN

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👀

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:48 PM

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That's a very useful thing, stef

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 5:48 PM

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There are some projects where that make sense and I can kind of see it

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Sometimes I overengineer things or underengineer it but the end result is all that matters and sometimes you lose sight of it

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 5:48 PM

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APIs certain public facing libraries sure

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Plenty of other stuff doesn't really make sense

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Same with Minecraft mapmaking, you can overengineer stuff so much but sometimes people won't even notice it

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:48 PM

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I have written docs once before the impl and it was kinda nice, but that was only like one method. But the entire codebase, ehh.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Tests instead of docs is probably more applicable

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To that quote

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:48 PM

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yea you can't really plan ahead for a whole api like this tbh

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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imagine writing tests

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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a lot of the problem is also that java doesn't have internal

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Imagine not having 100% coverage /s

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Ah, the good old 100% coverage trap.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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just let people report bugs so you can release updates and look smart

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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so either you fuck up your organization structure and don't use packages correctly, or everything shared is "public" if it's not supposed to be public facing API

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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"Hey I found a bug"
"Impossible, we have 100% coverage"
closes issue

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:49 PM

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You waste SO MUCH time trying to get that meaningless 2% coverage 😛

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:50 PM

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An internal keyword would be super useful.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:50 PM

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But at least tests are a more functionally useful tool for designing API than pre-writing docs, IMO

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:50 PM

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looks at C#

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blobthinkglare

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I guess Java 9's modules kinda helped some of that, didn't it?

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:50 PM

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did it?

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i wouldn't know, MC world still on java 8

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:50 PM

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i havent even installed anything other than j8

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Java 8 forever

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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+1

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I think that if you have two modules they can't interact with each other even if public, unless you specify it explicitly.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Good thing it'll be supported for a while across various vendors 😛

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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📎 unknown.png

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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But, haven't done too much with modules, so I'm not sure on that.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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i have java11 installed somewhere, but yea i exclusively use java 8 still

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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thats italic poop

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I use Java 11 for non api, Java 8 for api. Java 12 to run.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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🤢

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Using non-LTS as a production runtime

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lol

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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i use J5 in class

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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you clearly aren't working on the same scope as some of us

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I can hope it's not production at least 😛

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Everything on my pc is testing

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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i wouldn't hear the end of it if worldedit couldn't be compiled without j11

slow rain Jul 25, 2019, 5:52 PM

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wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Also I just push Java 11 on everyone. If they then don't want to use the plugin anymore, fine, not my problem.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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well, idk what your plugin is but clearly 🚮

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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😦

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Paper runs fine on Java 11 so why not

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Well, yes the code is 💩

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Wiz do you own a server?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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i cant even find an JDK/JRE for j11

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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adoptopenjdk.net

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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how can you not

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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adoptopenjdk

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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there are so many choices

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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AH beat me to it

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Tbh I'm not gonna wait around until Java 20 to use Java 11 because people can't be bothered to update from Java 8.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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if only they made it easier to update

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Minecraft still uses Java 8.

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Tekkit doesn't even run on anything ABOVE Java 8.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Tekkit is legacy at this point

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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If you only have Java 11 and are wondering how Minecraft can work, it's because they bundle their own version in with it.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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well, mojang can't be bothered to update either

vestal jasper Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Isn't tekkit still on 1.6.4?

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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remember that mojang bundles their own runtime with the client

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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they rather break stuff

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Minecraft would probably mostly be fine with Java 11

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Tekkit Launcher.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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QA? hmm

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nope

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Technic Launcher sorry.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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MC is not fine with J11 lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Would it be hard to migrate a codebase from J8 to J11?

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Minecraft does work fine with 11

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Use it all the time

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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What differences are there from J8 to 11?

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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well, the DFU code aikar said he copied from decompiled MC sources wasn't

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Paper had to make some minor changes for it, right?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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read the changelog

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Migrating a codebase from Java 8 for Java 11 was setting the compile target from 8 to 11 for me @austere ivy

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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possibly they changed it since then

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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But yeah otherwise no biggie

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Paper had to make some changes because timings used an internal method

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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but simple things like LogManager.getLogger() don't work on java 11

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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whats the point then

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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you need to specify LogManager.getLogger(Whatever.class)

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since Reflection#getCallingClass is F

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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can we get an F in the chat

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:56 PM

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OK why doesn't Mojang update it to J11?

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Seems easy.

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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No reason to?

vestal jasper Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Sys requirements prob

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And that

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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lol wut

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Because 8 works and they've already got years of QA on it?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Java 8 to Java 11 didn't change that much, main thing I use is the var keyword.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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QA lol

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nice joke

vestal jasper Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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QA

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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As in it's battle-tested

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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yes, QA

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as in millions of players using it for years

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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did you mean the battle update?

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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not as in internal QA

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Java 11 to Java 14 would have a nice switch expression thing though.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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hyperthink

vestal jasper Jul 25, 2019, 5:57 PM

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they don't even see if the game runs the fuck you mean QA

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peepoGIGA

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:58 PM

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people using your product is a form of QA

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Test 1/1 passed. GameStarts

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

not the kind you want

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but the kind im talking about

slow rain Jul 25, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Hey bit off topic but is anybody here any good at diagnosing problems with low server tps and timings reports?

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 5:58 PM

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lots of game developers use this type of QA these days tbh

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just look at blizzard

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:^)

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small indie companies

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:58 PM

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#paper-help @slow rain

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 5:59 PM

#

~~Unit~~ ~~Integration~~ Community tests

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:59 PM

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post your timings there

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:59 PM

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or just post your timings here

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 5:59 PM

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and people will help you

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 5:59 PM

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it's not like a bit more spam would hurt #general

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but #paper-help is usually more productive

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It is already in #paper-help

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silly

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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i want to work on my magic wands plugin but i hate doing math with particles lol

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someone buy it off me ktnx

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Is it a comission?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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no

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its OS

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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I'll fork you

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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i'll spoon you

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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There's a delete repo button in the settings somewhere

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Make my own better magic wands plugin >:)

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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idk if the code is up to date tho

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or even usable lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:01 PM

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NOT BEFORE I GET MY HANDS ON IT

#

dadadadada

#

race to the fork

#

is your name nathan something

#

nathanwolf

slow rain Jul 25, 2019, 6:01 PM

#

Thanks for your help guys, apparently I have too many entities. Anybody know of a way to clear all server entities?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:01 PM

#

https://github.com/DarkEyeDragon/Magic-Wands

GitHub

DarkEyeDragon/Magic-Wands

Magicccc wanddssss. Contribute to DarkEyeDragon/Magic-Wands development by creating an account on GitHub.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:02 PM

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it's joshua

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Capital in package smh

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:02 PM

#

dududududududu

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:02 PM

#

what?

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:02 PM

#

dadaddadadada

#

race race race

#

I'VE FORKED IT

#

Forked it before you deleted it >:)

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:02 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:02 PM

#

tsk tsk tsk

#

Wait what's

#

Oh yeha, no caps in events.

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Er..

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No caps in packages, else it could be confused for a class.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:02 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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no?

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it starts with lower case lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:03 PM

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mmmmhm

#

Gradle, ew.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:03 PM

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gadle is bae

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Gradle,ew, gradleew, gradlew

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gadle

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:03 PM

#

You should probably run now

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:03 PM

#

📎 Screen_Shot_2019-07-25_at_1.03.37_PM.png

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Because people probably will hate you for hating on Gradle.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:03 PM

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stop bullying me for my dissability

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Why is the version STILL on 0.0.1

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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i will report you to the CIA

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

#

WHY IS YOUR PACKAGE

#

me.darkeyedragon.magicwands.Magicwands

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CamelCase for class names, ALWAYS

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:(

#

:(

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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You mean the FBI?

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

#

Wait what.

#

What is this?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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no

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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The CIA is in the business of overthrowing governments

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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CIA

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Why can't I do a >:( face

#

:(

vestal jasper Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

#

📎 20190725_110421.jpg

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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my naming isnt every consistent

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

#

Discord has greentext now!? :D

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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:))

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:04 PM

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That's very cool.

#

Triple greentext.

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Or just.. one, that's cool too.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

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why is it named greentext?

#

its literally white

vestal jasper Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

#

.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

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It's just the format.

vestal jasper Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Please be joking

merry talon Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

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brian doesnt even know

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lul

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

#

sounds like orange book and red book

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

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text isn't green tho?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

#

smh

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:05 PM

#

or quotes

#

quote

#

embeds

#

something something

#

I'm code reviewing for Josh now leave me alone for a moment >:(

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange-Book-Standard

Orange-Book-Standard

Orange-Book-Standard (Az. KZR 39/06) is a decision issued on May 6, 2009 by the Federal Court of Justice of Germany (German: Bundesgerichtshof, BGH) on the interaction between patent law and technical standards, and more generally between intellectual property law and competi...

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

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spacing?

vestal jasper Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

#

Yeah dark is joking. Mfw I almost fell for the bait.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

#

I already did the code review 6/10

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

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😦

#

still passed

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dab

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

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greentext

merry talon Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

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no one here knows

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LUL

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

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not green

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:06 PM

#

Stef want to do code review for me?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:07 PM

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i think ima just trash it

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and start over

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:07 PM

#

Sure, if you share the code

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:07 PM

#

Hmm it's closed source.

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It's the code for my server's plugin.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

If it's on GitHub as private could add me to it. Or just show it in a DM.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

Should that even be closed source?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

I'd always go for open source, but it's your code.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

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delete it

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so no one can see it

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

Even if it's for my server?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

i mean, lets be honest

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

"do I care if people take my code and use it on their server?"

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

who cares about your server

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

I mean you can answer that question yourself.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

I mean I guess not.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Don't need us to

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:09 PM

#

Some of the commit messages are silly though so just ignore those alright?

#

I started coding this when I didn't have any knowledge OF coding plugins so I never planned on it being bigger.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:10 PM

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then you probably shouldnt ask him to review it lol

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:10 PM

#

It's just the commit message, not that big of a deal imo.

#

It's nice if it makes sense, but the code itself is more important imo.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:10 PM

#

https://github.com/ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin

GitHub

ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin

Private plugin developed for The Floating City. Contribute to ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin development by creating an account on GitHub.

#

Go easy ;c

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

#

omfg worst plugin ever and i havent even seen it yet

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

#

SO BAD OMG

#

KILL IT

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

#

IT'S GOING BACK TO PRIVATE

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

#

how many players do you have?

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

#

I've been doing a complete recode of it.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

#

doesn't look that bad

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

#

Barely any, just me my friends and some other random people, it's still in development.

#

Not I HAVE been doing a complete recode, but I have been CONSIDERING.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:12 PM

#

i've seen garbage that is 100x worse than this (that is to say, this isn't necessarily garbage, it's alright)

#

but something like ASkyBlock is just, infinitely trashier lol

#

this is pretty good for something self-taught early on

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:13 PM

#

god tier programming coming through

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:14 PM

#

Seems readable, uses widely accepted code formatting, classes are small

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:15 PM

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small classes mean small pp

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:15 PM

#

Not a big fan of statics out the ass, but it's your preference. You may find that outside of the Bukkit world though, it's very much frowned upon

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:15 PM

#

I don’t like it.

#

That’s one thing I want to reduce is the amount of static I have going on.

#

Especially with the Util package.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:16 PM

#

dependency injection is so annoying though

#

:))

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 6:16 PM

#

util is generally static

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:16 PM

#

In order to test statics, you have to do some insane hackery in Java with tools like PowerMock, which can't even fully test some static situations IIRC, but in Bukkit testing is very uncommon

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:16 PM

#

I just find it hard to separate something so functional and method based (Bukkit) and turn that into something that works with classes.

#

Like am I supposed to replicate my server (in the form of say, PlayerData, that kinda stuff) in objects and then handle it that way?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:17 PM

#

sure, you can do that

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:17 PM

#

It just seems hard to create objects of things, since everything you actually do is simply player.doThis(), doThat(); you know?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

#

If you have data that is specific to a player in your plugin, you can create a PlayerData object or some other object to represent that state.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

#

you can make a wrapper that takes a player object and add more fields

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

#

It's like having a special type of Player for your plugin

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

#

Like instead of PianoManager holding a list of players that have Piano enabled, I have PlayerData and then it has fields which say if they have Piano enabeld?

#

enabled?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

#

yes, exactly

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

#

I can see that, that might be more OO and easier to work with perhaps.

#

Here's an issue though, how am I supposed to get the PlayerData instance from just an instance of Player?

#

Should I have a static PlayerData.getFromPlayer(Player player) kind of thing.. or..

#

UUID lookup?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:19 PM

#

plugin.getPlayer(UUID) or plugin.getPlayer(Player) maybe

#

Or something similar

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:19 PM

#

I'm trying to stay away from databases as long as I can, because I tried implementing MongoDB but it was not very fun dealing with async stuff and databases and DatabaseManager and stuff.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:20 PM

#

MongoDB is particularly well-suited for most kinds of plugin data, actually.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:20 PM

#

That's why you'll notice I'm using statistics for the (barely implemented) Ontime instead of storing their ontime somewhere else.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:20 PM

#

relational db or riot

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:20 PM

#

wow

#

what a read

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:20 PM

#

Notice how a lot of plugins store their data in document-fashion on disk, whether it's YAML or JSON?

#

This is such a common theme in plugins

#

And Mongo was designed for exactly that kind of data

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

sqlite hyperthink

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Yeah. Huh okay.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

Could have added the GameMode as paramatar, I think acf should understand that and work from there (reduces it down to one method for all three)(https://github.com/ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin/blob/master/src/main/java/com/outlook/tehbrian/tfcplugin/commands/GamemodeCommand.java)

Can extract the millisPlayed here (https://github.com/ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin/blob/master/src/main/java/com/outlook/tehbrian/tfcplugin/commands/OntimeCommand.java)

You can extract the code in here to one method and call it for each event. (https://github.com/ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin/blob/master/src/main/java/com/outlook/tehbrian/tfcplugin/events/AntiBuildEvents.java)

Too much nesting here, try to return when a condition is false, instead of nest when it's true. (Can be done for some other stuff as well, but this is the worst one)(https://github.com/ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin/blob/master/src/main/java/com/outlook/tehbrian/tfcplugin/events/BuildingEvents.java)

I don't really see the use of this, why not just use Bukkit's sound class? (https://github.com/ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin/blob/master/src/main/java/com/outlook/tehbrian/tfcplugin/piano/PianoSound.java)

I'd avoid the boxed classes here and just set them to the standard by default .(https://github.com/ItsTehBrian/TFCPlugin/blob/master/src/main/java/com/outlook/tehbrian/tfcplugin/util/ItemBuilder.java)

But this is far better than you made it out to be though, so good job.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

I've been tempted to store data in .yml, but I havne't done that.

wide hazel Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

https://i.imgur.com/sBu2Ae7.png

Imgur

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

😅

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

Damn this man, doing an essay lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

Let me read through your messages.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

But yeah criticism is good

wide hazel Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

@cosmic raft will murderfy you

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

Yeah egg is that a bad thing?

#

It (was) a private repo though ._.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

anyone want to do a code review feelsThinkingMan

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

so I didn't have to worry about collaborating

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

#

It's OK to commit .idea folder, btw

#

Don't listen to the haters

#

Not everything in .idea should be committed, though

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

#

commit .certs too btw

#

and .passwords

#

who was it that i installed that random certificate from?

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

#

or discord bot tokens feelsSadMan

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

#

was it you byte?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

#

Personally I only commit .idea/codeStyles but there are other things you could commit that could be useful

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

#

Stef, for that first one, how would I do things like @CommandAlias("gms") for each one?

tranquil bone Jul 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

#

I'm going to quote something our developer has said, I am wondering if this is true and if so has this been fixed in paper? If not I would like to make a report on it to help out

#

📎 unknown.png

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

#

https://github.com/MTM123/CVCancer/commit/612ff9c35a7b036d96d81fdf56b4c4411034aaf0#diff-223ef1915e9f87752ce0a7eb986c3ce9L88
feelsSadMan

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

#

I thought acf accepted the ones you specified, Brian, but if not, could maybe write your own thing for it?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

#

I do not remember giving anyone a random certificate to install lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

#

I want people to do /gms, /gmc, /gma, IN ADDITION to being able to do /gamemode 0, /gamemode s, /gamemode survival.

#

Hm ok.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

#

Oh, /gms etc as well

#

What you have would be /gm s, wouldn't it?

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:24 PM

#

What do you mean by extract the millisPlayed here? Store it somewhere else?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:24 PM

#

No, just move it before the if/else

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:24 PM

#

Ah okay, but then

#

I'm doing a different thing for each

#

How would I do that? It depends on whether it's targetting a different player or not?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

#

I'd move the player above as well and just make one target player.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

#

But then if you do /ontime for yourself it wouldn't work, right?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

#

pretty sure it was this one

📎 unknown.png

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

#

Or how should I do this

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

#

Player targetPlayer = target == null ? player : target.getPlayer()

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

#

Ooooh, gotcha, thanks that's a good idea.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

#

nice token pigeonboy

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

I can use that in a LOT more places now that I realized that.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

Not correct what I wrote, but you get the idea.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

Well, you realized that, sorry 😅

#

Yeah.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

yeh wiz that was a sad day

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

did anyone abuse it?

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

abuse what

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

your mom

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

ur retarded

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

#

Stef, for the third thing, should I put that method in a util class or should I keep it in the AntiBuildEvents class?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

the token u duckshit

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

I'd keep it in the same class.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

nah because I instantly generated new one and the old one was invalidated

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

That makes more sense for me since it's closely related, but I'd imagine some people would say that's bad practice since it's not strictly an event.. or is it fine?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

Anyone want nitro?

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

yes

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

then buy it

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

no

#

gift it to me

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

It still handles the event, so I'd say it's fine there.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

#

i already gave you 3$ for nothing

#

so get of my lawn

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:28 PM

#

It just isn't called by Bukkit's event stuff.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:28 PM

#

OK.

#

With nesting, I'd just like to say, I guess I kinda code in the way that I would speak to someone.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 6:28 PM

#

give me 7$ more so I can buy nitro

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:28 PM

#

I wouldn't say "If a player isn't sneaking, go away. If a player isn't holding down a button, go away. Then, make the player fly up in the air." I'd say "If a player is sneaking, and the player is holding down a button, make the player fly up in the air."

#

But I guess for readability, you're right, it is kinda bad practice.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:29 PM

#

i dont think the server knows what button you're holding down

#

that'd be kinda messed up lol

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:29 PM

#

Yes, mainly if you need something after one of the ending braces, it's hard to tell after which if you're actually doing that.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:29 PM

#

That makes sense.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:29 PM

#

"Am I after this if statement or this if statement", you wouldn't have that if you returned early.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:30 PM

#

So instead of..

#

if (player.isSneaking()) {
    if (player.isPlaying()) {
        if (player.isPotato() {
            if (player.isNice() {
                doStuff();
            }
            return "Yay!";
        }
    }
}

I'd just have..

if (!player.isSneaking()) {
    return false;
}
if (!player.isPlaying()) {
    return false;
}
if (player.isPotato() {
    if (player.isNice() {
        doStuff();
    }
    return "Yay!";
}

#

?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:32 PM

#

Yes

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:32 PM

#

OK makes sense.

#

Ah, for your fifth one.

#

ACF's tab complete auto registers it if you have an Enum.

#

I don't want players to be able to play any sound (then they'd be able to play music discs and annoying stuff) so I limited to only the BLOCK_NOTE_ sounds.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:33 PM

#

Oh, you're using it for ACF. Then it's fine imo.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:33 PM

#

Is there a better way of doing that..?

#

For your last one, can you explain what you mean?

#

Boxed classes?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:35 PM

#

Boxed classes are Integer, Double, Boolean etc. instead of the normal primitives, int, double, boolean etc.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:35 PM

#

Ah!

#

Okay I'm pretty sure I did that so I can pass in null but should I change it?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:35 PM

#

(they like using complicated names for simple stuff)

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:36 PM

#

I would change it to the normal primitives and then set them to the default value by default. So you make amount an int and set it to 1, same for the others. That way you don't have to check for null and can directly apply them on the item stack.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Hey that makes a lot of sense!!

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📎 Screen_Shot_2019-07-25_at_1.37.12_PM.png

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In ConfigUtil I had this bit, and for some reason my plugin is really disagreeing with default config values.

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so I had to use item.isSet("amount") ? item.getInt("amount") : 1, instead of item.getInt("amount", 1)

tropic flame Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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so apparently discord has this interesting look for greentext

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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If you want I can link to the Discord messages on that whole debacle, but anyway, it's super annoying because I think ItemStacks should have an amount of 1 on default but hey now I realize why.

tropic flame Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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> greentext

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greentext

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Thanks a bunch that's so silly why I didn't do that.

tropic flame Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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except it's not green

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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you're late

tropic flame Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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yes I am

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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greentext

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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OK let me change a bunch of stuff thank you so much for those criticisms it helps a lot.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I have seen those messages about the default values btw, don't know why it doesn't work correctly.

tropic flame Jul 25, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I thought it was an embed and that people were self-botting

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I don't either, but I did do some experimenting and I think I found out the cause.

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 6:39 PM

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yes, everyone decided to start self botting today

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:39 PM

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private void setupConfig() {
        getConfig().options().copyDefaults(true);
        getConfig().options().copyHeader(true);
        saveDefaultConfig();
    }

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I have that in my onEnable() and if I remove copyDefaults, it works just fine.

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But you see in my ConfigParsers (I think I'll rename it to ConfigUtil) how I have the getPage method?

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pages.getKeys(false).size() completely messes up if .options().copyDefaults() is set to false.

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It only shows the size it's loaded almost.

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So if you do (for example) /rules 1, it shows Rules | Page 1/1, then /rules 2, it shows Rules | Page 1/2, then you do /rules 1 again, it shows Rules | Page 1/2

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It's really weird stuff.

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Only loading in the keys when it's specifically asked for or something like that I'm guessing.

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 6:40 PM

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you really don't need those first two lines

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:41 PM

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So I just decided on keeping copyDefaults() and having the good pages.getKeys(false).size() functionality rather than having defaults working I suppose..

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but it seems really hacky and messy and I'd like to get to the bottom of why it's acting so weird.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:42 PM

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you saw it here first folks

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frick

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hmmm

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 6:47 PM

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nice coverup

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 6:47 PM

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IRC never forgets

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:48 PM

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blobthinkglare

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i bet IRC doesnt see this though feelsChockingMan

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Oh yeah, with an open source plugin, how would I do MongoDB and not share the database code?

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Get it from a yaml config that I keep separately?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:49 PM

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The database code entirely, or just the password to the database?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:49 PM

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you could pull it from a config or something

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and not include the config

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Password to the database.

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Oh, I'm trying to extract from AntiBuild. I'll have another method and pass through the event from there?

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PlayerEvent, that is?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Yes

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:51 PM

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What about the things like EntityDamageEntity, should I cast to a player event?

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Or should I, in the method, collect all events and cast to a player event there somehow?

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ahg, PlayerEvent doesn't have setCancelled, it's specific per event.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Oh yeah Bukkit's event system is stupid. Ehm, use the lowest possible. If it doesn't work out, then I guess just keep it there.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:53 PM

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So I guess I just kinda have to keep it the way it is?

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I can't put the setCancelled in a more generic method, it's per event only..

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:53 PM

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B0IrVUKghB9/?utm_source=ig_embed

Instagram

Lincoln Boehm on Instagram: “Finding an untouched double double ...

637 Likes, 118 Comments - Lincoln Boehm (@lincolnboehm) on Instagram: “Finding an untouched double double on the ground in Jamaica, Queens is the most confusing thing…”

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A rare sight for New York, indeed lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Only thing I could put in a method is the player.sendMessage() but that's kinda useless, I don't know.

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What do you think I should do?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Helen carried the sandwiches on her lap throughout her flight from San Diego to JFK Airport, but after landing, she ran to catch a bus for home and ended up dropping one Double-Double on the road.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Keep it like it is now, I suppose.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 6:54 PM

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(the confusion is that In-N-Out is almost strictly a California burger chain, you won't find it in New York or on the east coast anywhere)

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 6:55 PM

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@upper flicker if i rewrite paper downloader in C you better use it

tropic flame Jul 25, 2019, 6:56 PM

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📎 unknown.png

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Actually, you might be able to specify a <T extends PlayerEvent & Cancellable>, set T as parameter and work from there. Would have to try though, can't really tell you from the top of my head if this would work.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:57 PM

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so..

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void onAntiBuild<T extends PlayerEvent & Cancellable>(Event T)

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?

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Sorry I'm not very used to generics.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 6:58 PM

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No, it would be along the lines of:

public <T extends PlayerEvent & Cancellable> void methodName(T event) {

}```
I think.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Ah OK.

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It works!

void void Jul 25, 2019, 7:00 PM

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I remember back when I thought that turning off my wifi on my computer would stop a ddos attack

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and that software ddos protection on windows would work

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those were the days lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:00 PM

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So what we're doing is upcasting, right?

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Making a more specific class into a less specific one?

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Or is that downcasting.

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I think that's upcasting, anyway, it's working!

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:01 PM

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You're downcasting cause the event class is more specific then the T is.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Oh okay.

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Alrighty well what should I do about the ones that don't fit PlayerEvent?

quasi canyon Jul 25, 2019, 7:02 PM

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In your opinions, how many blocks big of a map would you have (world border) for a server that averages 50 people on at once and around 100 a day? think

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Such as BlockBreakEvent..

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That's kind of silly, if BlockBreakEvent has getPlayer() why doesn't it extend PlayerEvent, hm.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Because it extends BlockEvent already.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Yeah, what a shame you can't extend two classes. That'd be complicated to work with though.

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:04 PM

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you changed name again

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:04 PM

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That's one of the issues with the current event system imo, the PlayerEvent, BlockEvent etc. should've been interfaces.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Maybe if PlayerEvent was an interface, but anyway, what should I do with those, any ideas?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Could make another method and change it from PlayerEvent to BlockEvent, but it's only two methods that use BlockEvent in this case, so I understand it if you just keep them like they are now.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:05 PM

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That, and also..

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HangingBreakByEntityEvent is also kind of complicated.

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:06 PM

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if you ever need, you can also make your own classe that extends an existing Event class

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I'd leave the others like they are now though, iirc there's only one hanging event handler.

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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PlayerEvent is abstract, didnt need to be an interface

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it contains the things that all inheriting events use, like the Player variable

placid thicket Jul 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/chrzb9/windows_things/

r/ProgrammerHumor - Windows things

0 votes and 0 comments so far on Reddit

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Yes, but now you can't make an event both be a BlockEvent and a PlayerEvent.

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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(DiscordBot) Windows things : ProgrammerHumor - 0 comments, 1 point - kurdy, 6m ago

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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I see what you mean

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Which is desirable in this case, since there are events that are both block and player related.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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stupid question. i guess its not possible to run an ide through SSH in linux?

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or well, properly interact with it

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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I dont see why you need an event to be both tho

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I didnt read all the conversation

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Because there are block events that now just have a getPlayer method without being a PlayerEvent. This complicates stuff, cause I can't downcast the event to a PlayerEvent, and thus can't easily get a player from all types of player related events (because not all player related events extend PlayerEvent).

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:10 PM

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do like everyone and listen to all events that you need?

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I've listened to multiple block and player events for PlotMe back in the day and I understand your problems

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Yes, but then you need multiple methods that essentially do the same, which leads to code duplication, reduces readability, etc.

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:13 PM

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yes

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:13 PM

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It's the best you can though at the moment, but it would have been nice if the event system was done using interfaces, not abstract classes to begin with.

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Changing it now, after what 7 years might be too late :/

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You could add interfaces wihtout breaking it tho mayhaps?

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:16 PM

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I still think that for 1.14, 1.13, 1.15, the bukkit API should be slightly rewritten.

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It's been almost 10 years.

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It's OK if a few breaking changes are made so that it better fits to the current state of Minecraft.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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too bad paper can't diverge from spigot

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Sponge is a great project, don't get me wrong, but I don't think that we need an entirely new API from Bukkit just to make a better one.

shrewd token Jul 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Hey did you know server folders are coming to discord

void void Jul 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:18 PM

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A few changes here and there, maybe ChatColor implemented a bit differently, would all be a very big help to plugin developers. Added to this, 1.13 had so many breaking changes already (Material enum for instance) that plugin developers needed to change their plugins anyway.

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Sponge isn't aimed solely at fixing bukkit

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Part of their goal is supporting mods, which would require a substantial redesign of bukkit if you wanted to pull it off

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:19 PM

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While we're changing ChatColor, please rename it as well, thanks.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Yeah, I agree.

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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There are so many changes I'd make to the API, I don't think any plugin would still work if I introduced them tbh. But I think if you slowly start deprecating some stuff, introduce better stuff, the API would become a whole lot better than it is currently.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Nossr🦆 can you please put a this reaction to stef's message so I can put one too?

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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someone should rename that disgusting translateAlternateColorCodes

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Thanks.

potent halo Jul 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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I added another this

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mines animated

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Crab

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I wonder why aliases to translateAlternateColorCodes haven't been introduced to Paper

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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aliases are just pointless fluff

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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yes, fluff should be pointy

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so you can stab people with it

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Not entirely fond of some of the other dozen helper methods that have been added to the api, but stuff like that just breaks api compat with bukkit for no reason

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fun String.translateColors(): @NonNull String {
    return ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', this)
}

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Then again :3

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Was there any new items intorduced in 1
14?

wide chasm Jul 25, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Yes https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_1.14#Items

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Ty

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:33 PM

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is that kotlin and why did you post that

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Yeah that's Kotlin

void void Jul 25, 2019, 7:34 PM

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poop

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Now just need a "Mark as Read" on fodlers

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Folders

shell vine Jul 25, 2019, 7:37 PM

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is it safe to replace region files live if the area is unloaded

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Basically, "&3Test".translateColors()

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Electronic how would you do that in regular Java?

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:38 PM

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that reminds me of Manifold

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:38 PM

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And does that compile to

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:38 PM

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You can't

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:38 PM

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translateColors("&3Test")

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Basically, for the JVM, kotlin turns that into a static helper util type method

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:38 PM

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That's what I thought

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public static String color(String string) {
        return string == null ? null : ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', string);
    }

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I have this lil thing.

#

I'd imagine it's doing something like that?

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Why do you check if the string is null?

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Because if I don't, it'll throw an exception.

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:39 PM

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I hate littering codebases with static, but kinda, no null check because we should never care about null

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Why would it be null

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:39 PM

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No idea..

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hmm

#

Say, I have..

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 7:39 PM

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liter ur code with method extensions instead? kappa

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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something.getInteger()

void void Jul 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

#

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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wait

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Hmm see that's a good question.

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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extention methods look nicer, imho

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Can't liter your code if you aren't the one writing it

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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idk I really just like knowing if that's a method on the object or some bullshit helper u've used

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and u can't tell :>

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:41 PM

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IDE colors them differently

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So, 'eh

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I program in notepad ok

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eta yourself

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:42 PM

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.eta

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:42 PM

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ha got you to it

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Notepad number 1

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:42 PM

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no problem

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:42 PM

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No errors

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 7:42 PM

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if chunks doesn't appear to have issues for the next week I'll start nagging people to begin reviewing it

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Okay I'll report issues in 6 days

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.remindme

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 7:43 PM

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[-d] [-w <who>] <when> <message...>

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 7:43 PM

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and that's begin reviewing it

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it's a big patch so don't be surprised if that takes a week or more

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given people's available time

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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.remind

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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[-d] [-w <who>] <when> <message...>

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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dont do it, havent you heard, his build breaks ur terminal

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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-remind -w @fallen oracle 6d Report issues

static badge Jul 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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break ur terminal byte

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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did it not work 🤔

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oh i'm retarded

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:46 PM

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my terminal been broken since i installed my OS

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it's windows remember

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:46 PM

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.remind -w @Gläre 6d Report issues

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 7:46 PM

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DiscordBot: Reminder set for 6 days from now.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:46 PM

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OH I forgot

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I set a lot of reminders for future me, I wonder if any of them have gone through

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:47 PM

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that's actually a good idea

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.remind 1y Are you still alive?

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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DiscordBot: Reminder set for 1 year from now.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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I'm gonna search "reminder for"

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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DiscordBot: [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

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DiscordBot: Reminder set for 3 years from now.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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📎 Screen_Shot_2019-07-25_at_2.48.43_PM.png

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📎 Screen_Shot_2019-07-25_at_2.48.49_PM.png

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I'm famous :anime_wow:

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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hold on

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Lol

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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📎 Screen_Shot_2019-07-25_at_2.49.30_PM.png

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:(

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Most of those are from Leaf though.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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.remind 1s .remind 1s

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well

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Also barty.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:50 PM

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oof

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:50 PM

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.remind 2147483648m did i break the matrix?

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blobthinkglare

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Spotted: 3
Landis: 1
Wiz: 2
Jan: 1
Barty: 2

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Not that many once you realize some are questions.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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.remind 150y Have we merged into a singularity yet?

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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DiscordBot: Reminder set for 2 centuries from now.

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I'm going to back to being productive and implementing those changes Stef suggested.

wide hazel Jul 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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bot aboos

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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MATE

📎 unknown.png

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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2 centuries

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we'll see

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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damn that's old, where have I seen that from

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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debian? xD

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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or something similar >_>

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maybe

#

is it the installer?

wide hazel Jul 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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standrad Debian installer

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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ye lol

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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yeah must be

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last time i installed debian must've been early 2000s

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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i wanna make some packages

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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don't

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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would i be allowed to make a package that downloads paper versions using its api? if thats even possible, should be right?

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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wdym

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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at the rate paper updates, distro packages are not ideal no

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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since ya'll nubs complaining about my installer being windows only

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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oh that

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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why so? it would just fetch the latest version?

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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make a cli

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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if it was like a paper version manager, that's more useful

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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well its more like a package you install that lets you run commands to update etc

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im bad with linux terminology

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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sounds a bit like a version manager, but not sure

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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where's z

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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the API is there to be consumed

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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basically what paper downloader is, but for CLI

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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it's not the actual software, it's the software that manages downloads/updates of the actual software

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Would be kinda pointless if we exposed an API for all this stuff and documented it and told people not to use it

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:56 PM

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might just not be its intended use 😉

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:56 PM

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a CLI tool that leverages the API to let people download whatever major release and keep it updated would be a packagable tool probably

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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https://github.com/electronicboy/parchment-docker/blob/master/bootstrap.sh#L15 | Do you like bash?

GitHub

electronicboy/parchment-docker

Contribute to electronicboy/parchment-docker development by creating an account on GitHub.

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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but realistically is it more than a simple shell script with some getopt arg handling? 😛

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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i can write that in whatever lang i want right?

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well assuming its supported

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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make cli to allow you to fetch specific version or commit and build it from paper's repo

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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isnt that pretty much what the api does?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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the API exposes available downloads

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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doesn't api just let you download paperclip?

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Yea

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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i mean, that's good enough

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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it also lets you know what versions are available

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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xD

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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electronic what does the text inside of your head say?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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what downloads are available

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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It's 1s and 0s

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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i use the api already

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 7:59 PM

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oh.

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:59 PM

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just not sure how the backend of it works

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Some company I was doing stuff for a good few years made it, so I just kinda kept it

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 7:59 PM

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looks like that was decades ago

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 7:59 PM

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probs 2013ish

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Give or take 10 years

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:03 PM

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do i install this?

📎 unknown.png

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its a vm obviously

azure patio Jul 25, 2019, 8:03 PM

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loool

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:04 PM

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whats so funny

austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 8:06 PM

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electronic is that your face shape but like photoshopped to a shadow?

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Yes

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:07 PM

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ur nose is weird

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 8:08 PM

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NOU

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:11 PM

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blobthinkglare

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my linux experience in a nutshell

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 8:14 PM

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no that's actually Z's eye photoshopped into a head

void void Jul 25, 2019, 8:14 PM

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No U

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It’s jah’s eye

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 8:14 PM

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*Z's

void void Jul 25, 2019, 8:14 PM

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jah

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 8:14 PM

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azachariah

void void Jul 25, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Pregen takes so long

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Ngl

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Took me 3 days for a world border with r=13000

merry talon Jul 25, 2019, 8:18 PM

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server folders finally POGGERS

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 8:21 PM

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still just in canary aren't they?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:21 PM

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why does it hate me so much xD

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woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 8:21 PM

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git gud

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:22 PM

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i mean, i'm literally using the password i gave in 10 mins ago

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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fucking kek

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acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:25 PM

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ur not doing so gud with this whole linux thing are you 😄

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:25 PM

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you think?

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i just took every default setting

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so clearly i cant be blamed 😉

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:26 PM

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prob u can

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ur just bad ^_^

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:27 PM

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well wtf do i do though, i cant become super user/root and i cant install sudo if i'm not root 🤔

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:28 PM

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well, you have to su, and if the password is wrong, that's on you

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:28 PM

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i mean, its the same pass for root and my user

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...

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i had to confirm it, so its right for sure

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Well this is something new https://m.imgur.com/r/Minecraft/ghiPmoG

Imgur

So I Think I Found a Cool Glitch...

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:29 PM

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oh ffs

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:29 PM

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inb4 password+confirmation was copy/pasted

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:29 PM

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its stupid numlock turning off every time

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who fucking invented that even

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:29 PM

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oh you have a password that requires numlock? lol

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Apparently you can see through these if you throw them down

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:30 PM

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numpad, even

fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 8:30 PM

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It allows you to see through trapdoors and stuff

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:30 PM

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so i was right, it's ur fault 😄

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Can i blame the hardware?

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:31 PM

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maybe like 10%

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:31 PM

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😦

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cant you change that in your bios? i cant find that setting

acoustic pilot Jul 25, 2019, 8:31 PM

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you can probably throw 50% of the blame on spotted tho

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cuz he dum

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:31 PM

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ive been trying to get it fixed in like forever

merry talon Jul 25, 2019, 8:32 PM

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no, I just got them on android mainline

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 8:58 PM

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tries to install vmware tools REE U CANT DO THAT CUZ U DONT HAF FIL X KTNXBYE

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loving the linux experience 😃

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Why can't you install VMware tools?

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 9:03 PM

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i dont even know what half of that means

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merry talon Jul 25, 2019, 9:06 PM

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discord

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breaking greentext

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also you're doing linux wrong

shell vine Jul 25, 2019, 9:14 PM

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hi

azure patio Jul 25, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Opening blender on windows = around 48 seconds? idk maybe more 60 idk, just a lot of time
Opening blender on linux = around 0.8 second, literally, blender opens under second

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Case in point: Linux sucks because you don't have time to go make a drink while waiting for blender to start

azure patio Jul 25, 2019, 9:15 PM

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thonk thinking_gun pepega
:DD good point

worn ember Jul 25, 2019, 9:29 PM

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say what you want but their default UI sucks, on all distros 😃

azure patio Jul 25, 2019, 9:29 PM

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huh

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r u k?

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don't use debian if you want nice UI from default

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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TIL that yaml supports aliases

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 9:38 PM

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aliases? huh?

golden gust Jul 25, 2019, 9:44 PM

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creatures:

   # Vanilla mobs, from https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Data_values/Entity_IDs
  Creeper: &creeper
    aliases:
    - c
    - creep
    - cataclysm
    enable: true
    enableCraftingSpawner: true
    enableSpawnEggOverride: true
    displayName: Creeper
  creeper: *creeper

austere burrow Jul 25, 2019, 9:48 PM

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austere ivy Jul 25, 2019, 9:49 PM

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I have this little thing:

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@Default
    @CommandCompletion("@players")
    public void onOntime(Player player, @Optional OnlinePlayer target) {
        if (target == null) {
            long millisPlayed = (player.getStatistic(Statistic.PLAY_ONE_TICK) / 20) * 1000;
            player.sendMessage(new MsgBuilder().def("msg.ontime").replace(MiscUtils.fancifyTime(millisPlayed)).build());
        } else {
            Player targetPlayer = target.getPlayer();
            long millisPlayed = (targetPlayer.getStatistic(Statistic.PLAY_ONE_TICK) / 20) * 1000;
            player.sendMessage(new MsgBuilder().def("msg.ontime_other").replace(targetPlayer.getDisplayName(), MiscUtils.fancifyTime(millisPlayed)).build());

        }
    }

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I'm trying to make it a tad less redundant.

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(extracting it, per Stef's criticisms)

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Could I perhaps do that along the lines of..

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Player targetPlayer = target == null ? player : target.getPlayer();
        long millisPlayed = (player.getStatistic(Statistic.PLAY_ONE_TICK) / 20) * 1000;
        
        if (target == null) {
            player.sendMessage(new MsgBuilder().def("msg.ontime").replace(MiscUtils.fancifyTime(millisPlayed)).build());
        } else {
            player.sendMessage(new MsgBuilder().def("msg.ontime_other").replace(targetPlayer.getDisplayName(), MiscUtils.fancifyTime(millisPlayed)).build());

        }

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Is that still too redundant or is it better?

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I'm thinking the target == null in two places is a tad redundant, should I put that as a variable?

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The main issue is that it sends a different message based on if it's selecting another person or not. Even though it's a minor cosmetic change, I still like it better and I prefer to put functionality and looks of the server above the looks of the code. (but I mean still trying to make the code look good wherever possible :P)

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I guess the second way is better so that way if I change the way of getting statistics it's less error prone for me to forget to change the other? Somehow better I suppose.

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 9:57 PM

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interesting

shy shuttle Jul 25, 2019, 10:19 PM

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What’s the No Table role?

pulsar wigeon Jul 25, 2019, 10:19 PM

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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

shy shuttle Jul 25, 2019, 10:20 PM

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/flip

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Awkward..

woven otter Jul 25, 2019, 10:21 PM

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oh no! who took your table

latent sorrel Jul 25, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Barty you shoulda seen this one dude I played mc against (opposite sides of the great war of blasphemy) who was playing on one of those old ass 15 inch (or less?) CRTs where it couldnt display colors right and always had a heavy orange tint.

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rest of his game room looked great, just the ancient computer and screen

void void Jul 25, 2019, 10:28 PM

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.flags

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 10:28 PM

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proven kiln Jul 25, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Where is the FAQ?

void void Jul 25, 2019, 10:40 PM

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https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/stable/about/faq.html

proven kiln Jul 25, 2019, 10:46 PM

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I meant this discords FAQ, so i don't actually ask questions that were already answered

void void Jul 25, 2019, 10:47 PM

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this discord is paper.

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so therefore.

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paper's faq is this discord's faq.

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.ask

limber knotBOT Jul 25, 2019, 10:47 PM

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If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

proven kiln Jul 25, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Okay, where could someone take a look at my timings report and help me?

upper flicker Jul 25, 2019, 10:49 PM

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#paper-help

quick gust Jul 25, 2019, 10:52 PM

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what is the /trigger command and should i be disabling access to it

void void Jul 25, 2019, 10:53 PM

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https://www.digminecraft.com/game_commands/trigger_command.php

How to Use the Trigger Command in Minecraft

This Minecraft tutorial explains how to use the /trigger command with screenshots and step-by-step instructions. You can use the /trigger command to create a trigger that sets or adds values to scoreboard objectives that trigger enabled in Minecraft.

quick gust Jul 25, 2019, 10:55 PM

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im doing someshit with scoreboards so i should disable this right

azure patio Jul 25, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Am I the only one who always writes accidently pex instead of lp?

gaunt crane Jul 25, 2019, 10:59 PM

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iron drum Jul 25, 2019, 11:19 PM

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stray nebula Jul 25, 2019, 11:25 PM

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this is epic

marsh iron Jul 25, 2019, 11:42 PM

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wraith shadow Jul 25, 2019, 11:54 PM

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fallen oracle Jul 25, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Spigot staff

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Just report it if it's breaking the rules

void void Jul 26, 2019, 12:02 AM

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yoo

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i just cancelled tnt explode event

pulsar wigeon Jul 26, 2019, 12:02 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/ePXTmdK.png /r/dontyouknowwhoiam

Imgur

ancient bolt Jul 26, 2019, 12:10 AM

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no who r u

static badge Jul 26, 2019, 12:11 AM

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wiz u just make exceptions

ancient bolt Jul 26, 2019, 12:13 AM

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toe is acting up again

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fuck i wish i didn't have toenails

fallen oracle Jul 26, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Cut them off

ancient bolt Jul 26, 2019, 12:14 AM

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ive tried

fallen oracle Jul 26, 2019, 12:15 AM

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I meant your toes

golden gust Jul 26, 2019, 12:15 AM

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my toe joy is the fact that my nails "weak point" is behind the end of where the toe should be, so it's pretty easy to end up with the nail too short if I'm not careful

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used to just use a pair of nail snips to ensure that it wasn't cutting into the skin \o/

ancient bolt Jul 26, 2019, 12:15 AM

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ive been to the foot doctor so often

golden gust Jul 26, 2019, 12:16 AM

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DIY woo

ancient bolt Jul 26, 2019, 12:16 AM

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im hoping soon all my problems will be solved, last time he didn't even fix it

golden gust Jul 26, 2019, 12:16 AM

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See, I had the surgery but it didn't work properly, and some level of "fuck that shit again"

unreal quarry Jul 26, 2019, 12:16 AM

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so, apparently flying at 500 blocks a second is totally normal according to mojang https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-131716

void void Jul 26, 2019, 12:16 AM

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ancient bolt Jul 26, 2019, 12:17 AM

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@golden gust my nails grow into the side of my toe where I can't get to it

golden gust Jul 26, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Yeaaaa....

ancient bolt Jul 26, 2019, 12:17 AM

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so I try as hard as I can to get to it but I literally cant

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so I just end up hurting myself and getting it infected :\