general

[ancient bolt]

lets you go a little crazy with types without screwing your code lol

yeah java has that now at least

doesn't work for fields though

[mellow plaza]

just popping in to ask, is 1.14.4 still fucked?

[static badge]

thank god tbh that'd be weird

yeah

[mellow plaza]

was looking into making my little personal server run a bit better

[void void]

aint gonna happen on 1.14.x

[mellow plaza]

and then stumbled into methods video

[static badge]

what video

[mellow plaza]

and was like "if there is an entire video dedicated to shit that got broke" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVlDtWRoWuA

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Random Changes and Bad Gamedesign in 1.14 - length 16m 31s - 783 likes, 21 dislikes (97.4%) - 10,196 views - MethodZz on 2019.05.04

[void void]

fucking 16 mins

[mellow plaza]

"then it's probably why my server is running like ass"

it's just him showing off every

single

thing

that mojang broke

thumbnail is all you need to know the important info though

[void void]

sounds about right, does he also say "guys" repeatedly and unironically

[mellow plaza]

probably

after only watching that one video about 1.14.4 I'm about 80% sure he's why theres a splash with the text "great game design right here"

[limber knot]

@Spottedleaf, in case you are interested, seems like FPS stutter only happens if render distance is not a x5 or x10

[static badge]

weird

[limber knot]

very weird

[static badge]

I'd suggest grabbing the map and dumping it on mojang

[mellow plaza]

what could cause that

[limber knot]

yeah should prolly dump it to jira

[mellow plaza]

how https://i.imgur.com/eUPvBzA.png

[void void]

irc.

[mellow plaza]

is someone talking through asura with a different program?

got it

[limber knot]

bots cant talk now?

why the hate

[mellow plaza]

was just tryna make sure we hadn't skynetted ourselves yet

[limber knot]

we will take your jobs first

[mellow plaza]

im a NEET fam you can't take my job

[static badge]

his comments about mobs in lazy chunks counting for mob counts is actually wrong

very wrong

[mellow plaza]

you sure it wasn't just changed?

it is from may

[static badge]

oh was this for the OG 1.14

[mellow plaza]

yeppers

[static badge]

eh could be

[mellow plaza]

the latest .jars are the ones you see on the page, right?

[static badge]

yeah only the last whatever builds show on the downloads page

[mellow plaza]

my pee brain wanted to make sure since it technically says last successful artifacts and I'm retarded

what minecraft world pre-generator works best with paper?

[static badge]

worldborder works well

[mellow plaza]

okay I was moving my main file directory off of my desktop for some performance increases and for some fucking reason I can't find an executable for minecraft

where is the actual file it runs when it starts up through a shortcut?

the regular mojang minecraft launcher

[mellow plaza]

fucking hell I'm just gonna reinstall it

[void void]

alright fam

drank a 6 pack time for weed now

[latent sorrel]

Anyone mind tryin to point out what in this list is making the server hang up for 25 seconds every few minutes? Its hanging up on different basic 1.14.3 stuff not plugin actions. Ive spent lots of time reading guides and posts and looking at explanations of the flags and this is what I tried:

@echo off java -Xms35G -Xmx35G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=60 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=85 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -Dusing.aikars.flags=mcflags.emc.gs -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=4 -XX:+UseLargePagesInMetaspace -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=30 -jar paper-131.jar pause

[acoustic pilot]

Probably giving 35G of ram to Paper, that's your problem.

Every time it has to GC, it's probably going through massive amounts of memory.

Even the most populated servers don't need more than 10G

I've run servers with 300+ players on less than 10G

[void void]

yup

[latent sorrel]

With the other flags on there aikars guide said to give it access to as much as possible

[acoustic pilot]

If you need more, you have a memory leak or similar issue.

[void void]

no aikar's guide says, and i quote, not many need more than 10G andf allocate up to 10G

[latent sorrel]

and I read the type of GC used it more efficient the more ram it has

[void void]

you selectively read that

and that's also not what his guide says

[latent sorrel]

What? His guide didnt say about the GC part. I said I was lots of places

that was in the java documentation

[void void]

.mcflags

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[acoustic pilot]

If you're gonna ask for help and just ignore it, just don't ask for help lol

[merry talon]

well my dedi has 64 gigs so why not give it half

[void void]

https://puu.sh/DX4ZZ/81bb26dd10.png

[merry talon]

more ram more perf

[void void]

jokbon shut up

[latent sorrel]

Im not ignoring the help byte im explaining my reasoning.... the actual java documentation says that the GC works best with as much ram as possible

[void void]

[latent sorrel]

I was trying to have a discussion about it

[acoustic pilot]

No need to have a discussion on GC, Aikar's already done all the research.

It's beating a dead horse.

[void void]

indeed

[acoustic pilot]

Read his article fully instead of selectively interpreting bits ofi t.

[latent sorrel]

aikars post hasnt been updated in years

[acoustic pilot]

Wrong

[wide hazel]

^

[void void]

completely incorrect

[merry talon]

aikars research is bad

[latent sorrel]

it says at the top

[merry talon]

my host told me

[ancient bolt]

bye

racist jokes will not be tolerated

[acoustic pilot]

Aikar's article was updated less than a year ago

[void void]

its funny because thats actually something a host might say to justify why they give such low ram and why his flags may not work

[acoustic pilot]

There's a changelog clearly visible at the bottom

[wide hazel]

I just joined in here, what happened?

[acoustic pilot]

If you bothered to even read through it

(which it seems you didnt)

[limber knot]

"<DiscordBot> <j​ok​bo​n> People who use excesively stupid amonts of memory are suporting jews"

[static badge]

that happened

[merry talon]

that has literally happened simple

[wide hazel]

Oh

[latent sorrel]

I read the whole thing multiple times today byte. why are you so rude when im trying to have a civil conversation about it?

[void void]

what do you m ean sweepy.

[ancient bolt]

but to the point of GC, once zgc comes out and is stable I'll be doing a lot of research on it and hopefully if everything works right it should crush g1gc performance

[void void]

explain.

[ancient bolt]

till then, just use aikar's flags

[void void]

hes not being rude, he's dropping facts.

[merry talon]

hosts refusing his flags

refuting his research

[void void]

and the truth hurts, apparently.

[static badge]

maybe aikar'll come back and do research too

[ancient bolt]

I banned jokbon, he's not here anymore

[acoustic pilot]

lol

[void void]

but i can ping him.

r u lie to me

[wide hazel]

He's been in ARK-land for the last couple months

[ancient bolt]

[static badge]

I mean

[acoustic pilot]

he's working on PaperArk

[wide hazel]

Lol

[static badge]

discord sucks

[void void]

ok someone tell me, is he actually retarded or is he trolling

[ancient bolt]

discord should really show ban & kick messages imo

[static badge]

discord allows you to delete your join message

[wide hazel]

@silk stump

[ancient bolt]

wat

[acoustic pilot]

Discord's answer is probably "git gud, write bot nub"

[static badge]

pretty sure I've seen people do that shit

[wide hazel]

Yeah, I can see him on mobile

[static badge]

here why don't we give it a shot

kick byteflux

[merry talon]

or just add a toggle to show them or not

I hate the trend of just making a decision one way or another

for everybody

[acoustic pilot]

spotted ur trash widow

[ancient bolt]

discord sucks

but he's definitely gone

idk why you can still ping him or w/e

[void void]

hes on mobile but multiple people tagged him in irc

hes probably rolling his eyes and going back to ark now

[ancient bolt]

that's really weird, discord needs to fix their shit

[void void]

i dont get it

[static badge]

likely some dumb caching issue

as it always is

[void void]

lul

[ancient bolt]

~ ~ ~ ~ w e b s c a l e ~ ~ ~ ~

[void void]

so hes in the room but not at the same time until all nodes refresh :>

[merry talon]

discord doesnt have temp bans

so that's cool

[merry talon]

ok my name what

[latent sorrel]

I can also highlight the parts where he talks about using more than 10GB of ram and that it shouldn't pose an issue and is beneficial if you have it

[merry talon]

there we go

[void void]

hes not talking about unused memory on your system

[merry talon]

lmao

[void void]

that entire article is in the contect of the JVM

which has its own memory

he's saying unused memory in the JVM is wasted

so use his flags to use it all

lmao.

[latent sorrel]

He literally said in the photo that G1 works better with more ram. But you are 100% sure the ram total is the issue and not any of my other parameters?

[void void]

ye

[merry talon]

ye

[ancient bolt]

idk the full context of this discussion

[merry talon]

ye

[ancient bolt]

but G1's pause times can go much higher if the heap gets too big

[acoustic pilot]

wolfgang mistakenly believes that Aikar's article endorses using a 35G heap size.

it doesn't

wolfgang is clearly wrong.

[ancient bolt]

but that's max vs average pause times

[latent sorrel]

I was using 35GB as well because we are doing massive world edits currently

[void void]

i need water before i get cottonmouth

[marble summit]

@everyone frick

[void void]

brb

[ancient bolt]

basically with more heap, pause times will be less frequent, and bigger

[void void]

did u actually just ping everyone

[marble summit]

Yes

[static badge]

no

[acoustic pilot]

no, it doesn't ping everyone lol

[void void]

oh ok

gud

[static badge]

after the IRC incident we've z @everyone

[ancient bolt]

10GB is the optimal amount of heap for G1 and MC's memory allocation

[static badge]

z's patched

[void void]

ah ok

so a great reasont o use "not since the incident"

good

[merry talon]

it was a great incident

if you have asynchronous worldedit and a non toaster cpu you dont need more than 10

Even if you have a toaster cpu I dont see it helping much

[latent sorrel]

I have normal world edit and an i7-7700k in it

[merry talon]

Have you tested any of this

[acoustic pilot]

cool, well you can lower your heap size or keep wondering why your GC causes huge spikes every few seconds

[zealous prism]

Ass

[void void]

😂

[latent sorrel]

I am doing more testing. Byte I was not talking to you

[zealous prism]

Eat

Ass

[static badge]

I hear epsilon has zero gc times

[void void]

Wat'

[static badge]

[ancient bolt]

it's true

epsilon is a 100% pauseless gc

[void void]

i was talking about the ass eater

[static badge]

0% overhead too

[zealous prism]

Yessss

[static badge]

it's a god tier GC

[zealous prism]

Asss

[acoustic pilot]

Damn Old Town Road has to be like the most remixed song ever lol

How many remixes this guy gonna do

[static badge]

.g Old Town Road

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ov5jzm3j8 -- Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (Official Movie) ft. Billy Ray...: "May 17, 2019 ... Official video for Lil Nas X's Billboard #1 hit, “Old Town Road (Remix)” featuring Billy Ray Cyrus. Special guest appearances from..."

[acoustic pilot]

Dude is probably a millionaire just from Old Town Road remixes

[ancient bolt]

I wanted to write my message lexer using slices of one string

and I was able to do that when lifetimes were simple

0 allocation lexer

buuut now that I want to store my lexer output so I'm not persing every time I think I have to get rid of that approach and introduce allocations 😦

[acoustic pilot]

@zealous prism That was a warning, next time I won't be so nice. So keep it together.

[zealous prism]

Ok NVM then at least

I don't know if you have any questions please feel free to contact me at any time

[ancient bolt]

I'm sharing the data across threads so I haven't found a way to reconcile lifetimes

[merry talon]

I really wish someone would make a docker 'package manager'

so I can install some util and it just aliases it to run with docker

except they're versioned and it prompts me for updates

that was my claim to fame idea but fuck it

[static badge]

ur literally js

[merry talon]

it would essentially remove the need for all the language version managers

yes

it should be in js

but then that's a paradox of js installation

so i haven't figured that part out yet

[void void]

that wouldnt be too hard

maybe

[merry talon]

i know

[void void]

im crossfaded right now so i wouldnt dare attempt to write something

[merry talon]

I'd attempt it if I was home

[void void]

but it sounds fairly ezpz

if you want to design a repo tho

that would be the hardest part, i think, and even that is not so bad

[mellow plaza]

This isn't an actual issue for me but I'm curious as to what caused it:
making a new 1.12.2 server with paperclip and I started server.jar to get all the files you need, once for eula and then again, then replaced it with paperclip-1618.jar (newest 1.12.2) and it said the world was on an outdated version

[merry talon]

the repo would just be people PRing manifest files for their packages

because the docker hub is the repo

[mellow plaza]

the 'getting started' page doesn't say anything about needing a new world

[void void]

hm fair

[merry talon]

or I guess you could add additional repos like gcr

just like apt

[void void]

could also go create an api that just references docker hub and a start script

and people submit those 2 things to it

and that's a "package", get hub artifact, run script on it

[merry talon]

well I think the image entrypoint would suffice no?

I would have to think about volumes and stuff

[void void]

what if you wanna customize it?

[merry talon]

for things that touch the filesystem

[void void]

could just use docker compose and make them use compose format scripts

would make it much easier

[merry talon]

hmm yeah

[void void]

has everything you need in it, volumes, networks, name, image, before script, after script

[merry talon]

im not sure it would be a good thing to allow changing the entrypoint itself to something other than just the base command

I want it to mimic the behaviour of actually having it installed

[void void]

yea well could use a modified format, just read what you want out of the docker compose standard yaml; and then you can create a bash script that runs the provided script and respective image

[ancient bolt]

https://xkcd.com/1654/

xkcd: Universal Install Script

The failures usually don't hurt anything, and if it installs several versions, it increases the chance that one of them is right. (Note: The 'yes' command and '2>/dev/null' are recommended additions.)

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: Universal Install Script (11 March 2016)

[void void]

heh

[merry talon]

side effects

oh cool docker-compose has a run command

https://docs.docker.com/compose/reference/run/

[void void]

yea exactly

[merry talon]

it could literally be a frontend to that lul

[void void]

so the bash script just runs an api-composed docker-compose.yml and then boom

all gud

[merry talon]

i would likely do that in python then

which is weird because fiddling with python installs is what reminded me of this

but idk someone will think of a solution to that later

distribute it with python

[void void]

is this minecraft boss music ^_^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJlt-pMHEHA

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) EliteMobs Undertale easter egg - length 9s - 1 like, 0 dislikes (100.0%) - 14 views - MagmaGuy on 2019.07.25

[merry talon]

https://github.com/fermayo/dpm

motherfucker

not quite the same thing

but almost

I still want to do it

because I sure as hell am not writing go

[ancient bolt]

you may ask why

I don't know

but

https://i.imgur.com/H9AnRKx.gifv

no tmux or anything involved...

[left yacht]

pretty cool.

[merry talon]

what am I seeing here

is there supposed to be an issue?

[ancient bolt]

no, it's a feature I'm building into paperd

to let you connect to a virtual console

[merry talon]

the console>

[ancient bolt]

yeah

[merry talon]

that seems like a no brainer to me

no need to ask why

[ancient bolt]

but paper's not running behind a console or anything

it's all fake basically

[left yacht]

Been sortof following paperd.

your development efforts

[ancient bolt]

built with ncurses

[merry talon]

well what would the alternative be

[left yacht]

how the hell do you get out of the virtual console

[ancient bolt]

cntrl-c..

[left yacht]

without killing the server?

[ancient bolt]

yeah you're just attaching to it to interact with the console

[merry talon]

I guess the alternative would be just not having that

[acoustic pilot]

the attached paperd probably handles the ctrl+c itself

[left yacht]

ok so I'll have to deal with the heart attack

the first few times

[merry talon]

does it have a command to send commands already?

[left yacht]

then accidentally ctrl+c a proxy

[ancient bolt]

yeah i show it in the gif

[left yacht]

because I'll think it works the same way

[merry talon]

ah

[ancient bolt]

pro tip you can disable ctrl-c already if you use tmux or screen

using the trap command in bash

[merry talon]

what about outputting logs

[merry talon]

I assume it does that

[ancient bolt]

I do that because I killed my server so often by cntrl-c'ing tmux

file logs are unchanged

logs/latest.log etc

[merry talon]

I mean

[austere ivy]

9, 8, 12, 17..

[merry talon]

will it show you them

[austere ivy]

That's the number of the XYZ.

[ancient bolt]

there's paperd log which lets you see recent logs or tail the log file

if that's what you mean

[merry talon]

yeah

[void void]

paperd is sick

[left yacht]

demon, I dropped over 1,000 players before by control+c'ing a proxy.

I now have PTSD

[void void]

dum

[left yacht]

whenever I even enter a screen session

yes I use screen, yes I know it's crap

don't kinkshame me

[void void]

@ancient bolt now make waterfalld :^)

[left yacht]

^^^

[ancient bolt]

trap '' INT
java -jar paperclip.jar
trap - INT

will prevent the contrl-c mishap

make that your start.sh

[merry talon]

or just don't run it in tmux

[ancient bolt]

thank me later

[void void]

what do you gotta press it twice then?

[merry talon]

use systemd or something

[ancient bolt]

yeah use paperd instead

[void void]

or it just stops it

[ancient bolt]

no you do stop...

[void void]

yes thank you

i was asking how trap works

[merry talon]

well it could be dead

[ancient bolt]

send kill -15 to it then

trap doesn't trap SIGTERM

[static badge]

we handle ctr-c by stopping

second signal kills

[merry talon]

-15

9 is already nuke it from orbit level

[ancient bolt]

that's not how signals work

-9 is SIGKILL -15 is SIGTERM

[acoustic pilot]

ctrl-c is sigint, 2

[ancient bolt]

all kill does is send PID signals

yeah

[void void]

[merry talon]

oh

[ancient bolt]

-9 doesn't actually send a signal

well it does, but not to the process

it sends it to the kernel

asking the kernel to kindly murder the process

[merry talon]

idk I thought they were incremental

[left yacht]

I wouldn't call it kind

[acoustic pilot]

nah they aren't incremental

[static badge]

[left yacht]

it would be kind if the kernel warned it it was going to die

[ancient bolt]

with the exception of SIGSTOP, -19, all other signals go to the process

[static badge]

incremental

[acoustic pilot]

i think technically sigquit is stronger than sigterm

[ancient bolt]

er yeah sigquit

not sigstop

u rite

[left yacht]

what -9 does is just kick open the door with a shotgun

[static badge]

how many fucking termination signals are there

[acoustic pilot]

a lot

trap -l

[ancient bolt]

most signals aren't for termination

[static badge]

I know most aren't

[acoustic pilot]

yeah, there's a lot of signals but only a few for term

[ancient bolt]

that's just the only ones we really care about

[left yacht]

https://www.titanicfreak.com/imgs/80c370bd36cd6362270261c909cd3e1e.png

[merry talon]

SIGKILL doesn't even open the door

[left yacht]

I know what some of these things do

-9 and -15

[merry talon]

it demolishes the building with dynamite

[left yacht]

having your morning tea
building collapses

[acoustic pilot]

SIGKILL is the only termination signal that can't be handled by a program, I thnk

[ancient bolt]

SIGKILL causes the kernel to immediately preempt the process, remove it from the scheduler, drop all memory allocated to the process, close all file handles

[merry talon]

unix is so oppressive

[ancient bolt]

there's another one

[acoustic pilot]

but JVM also doesnt allow you to handle SIGQUIT, IIRC

though I think you can technically handle it in C

[ancient bolt]

I think SIGQUIT also can't be handled

[acoustic pilot]

oh really

interesting

[ancient bolt]

yeah lemme check

oh no I was right originally

SIGSTOP cannot be caught or handled

[static badge]

http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/signal.2.html

[ancient bolt]

SIGQUIT is something else

[static badge]

The signals SIGKILL and SIGSTOP cannot be caught or ignored.

[acoustic pilot]

ah ok, there we go lol

so yeah it's probably just the JVM preventing you from handling SIGQUIT (I tried, throws exception lol)

[static badge]

you could very probably override that with that interface

[ancient bolt]

but seriously though ncurses doesn't natively support ANSI styles, I had to handle all the colors and formatting manually https://github.com/PaperMC/paperd/blob/feature/console/src/console/ansi.rs

[acoustic pilot]

oh I think it's because maybe SIGQUIT is reserved for thread dump in Java?

[merry talon]

EXAMPLES
       kill -9 -1
              Kill all processes you can kill.

someone do it

[ancient bolt]

so that can go fuck itself

in the mean time, good night

[acoustic pilot]

lol

I been meaning to make a wrapper thing too, but in Java. I have very little fucking clue about ncurses or text UI libraries >_>

[ancient bolt]

https://github.com/PaperMC/paperd/blob/feature/console/src/console/ansi.rs#L132-L155

[acoustic pilot]

I wonder if it could be done in Lanterna

[static badge]

ah beautiful

[merry talon]

ah rust

[acoustic pilot]

damn rust looks pretty gud

[merry talon]

no

[acoustic pilot]

compared to C, yes

[ancient bolt]

yeah rust is great

considering it's a non-managed, non-GC'ed, low level systems language

[merry talon]

i can't understand it therefore it's bad

[ancient bolt]

and yet has all the features you'd expect from a higher level language

it's fucking nice

and it's extremely safe on top of that

[acoustic pilot]

What tools do you use for Rust development?

[ancient bolt]

clion + intellij-rust plugin

[acoustic pilot]

How's the static analysis?

[ancient bolt]

spotty, fairly good, has a long way to go

you can enable an external linter too

but it's super slow compared to what you'd expect from intellij

so I lave it off and just take what I can get

I do have to build it a bunch and go through the compiler a lot since the plugin does miss a lot of stuff

but the compiler error message are the best I've ever seen

[merry talon]

are there any made for rust IDEs yet

[ancient bolt]

nah, just plugins for other shit

i know there's one for vscode, probably one for eclipse I would imagine

[fallen oracle]

So I was forced to do a core workout yesterday and man it hurts to move.

[acoustic pilot]

seems like an active plugin, intellij-rust

[merry talon]

I want to do java in vscode

but it's not quite there

[acoustic pilot]

it's there now isnt it?

[merry talon]

well the plugin exists

[ancient bolt]

intellij-rust is where I got a lot of shit from for mcdev

[merry talon]

it's just not as good as IJ

[acoustic pilot]

i mean you gotta install plugins out the ass, but you have all the basics supported through official plugins

[ancient bolt]

i doubt it'll ever be on IJ's level

that's like...a tall mountain for it to climb

[acoustic pilot]

the idea of code-server running remote vscode for java dev is kinda appealing

[merry talon]

well I think it's passed their high level ones

pycharm webstorm etc

[ancient bolt]

not pycharm imo

but fuck python

[acoustic pilot]

long live python

^_^

[ancient bolt]

probably webstorm, but it's still pretty damn good from my use of it

[merry talon]

I think because that's just their target

[ancient bolt]

speaking as not a JS dev

tooling for dynamic languages is a lot different than strictly static languages I think

and I hate dynamic languages

[acoustic pilot]

as in better? lol

[ancient bolt]

tooling for dynamic languages seems to be a lot more hands off

[acoustic pilot]

at least it appears to be that tooling is better in dynamic languages

it mostly just suffers in static analysis

[ancient bolt]

tooling can really understand your code with static languages

[merry talon]

idk maybe it's just me being too lazy to really tune those IDEs after doing it for hard hours with vscode

[ancient bolt]

oh i disagree strongly with that

all tooling I've seen with dynamic languages is trash

[merry talon]

[acoustic pilot]

i dunno i guess im only familiar from a web perspective

[merry talon]

ESLint is pretty damn good

[ancient bolt]

yeah I'm strongly biased against web

[acoustic pilot]

web dev tooling is amazing right now

[ancient bolt]

it's come a long way for sure

it's still a dumb technology lol

[merry talon]

the web? lul

[ancient bolt]

definitely "making the best with what we have" sort of thing

[merry talon]

so you just think js sucks

[ancient bolt]

well it does

so yeah

[acoustic pilot]

it's true, js sucks

it's getting better though

maybe one day we won't have to use typescript 😃

[ancient bolt]

typescript looks awesome

[merry talon]

it does have its issues

but I think js gets more things right than most

[ancient bolt]

oh boy

yeah we're not even going to come close to an agreement there

[merry talon]

lol

[ancient bolt]

no need to have that debate lol

but anyways time to dream a little

[static badge]

fight fight fight

[ancient bolt]

see y'all tomorrow

wait @static badge did you just try and incite violence

I'm going to have to kick you for that

[acoustic pilot]

wow kick time

[static badge]

u fuk

ur gonna regret

[ancient bolt]

http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif

[static badge]

is that a taylor swift reaction gif

[ancient bolt]

oh boy that deserves a ban

but I'll let it slide

I'm in a good mood I guess

[static badge]

a ban

[merry talon]

do you really want to be in taylo

r swift fanboy land

[static badge]

[vestal jasper]

What's with the influx of people trying to runescape style bot mining

🤔

It literally makes 0 attempt to even appear as if a human is controlling the account

[merry talon]

try it on a bunch of servers and stick around if it works

resources with no effort

[grand pewter]

wait are you talking about people getting on minecraft servers with bots to mine

[vestal jasper]

Yeah

I just caught two people logging on and doing that

[void void]

my heroes

[vestal jasper]

The movements were literally impossible for a human to make and I caught one of them getting stuck

the thing managed to fuck itself and was unable to pathfind to the coal ore 10 blocks away from it

and it kept pacing back and forth

[void void]

lul

[merry talon]

oh the pacing

that is like runescape

I vividly remember being in the fishing guild and one dude was running back and forth for like 3 days

[digital talon]

I tried that bot with mining logs 😃 really funny

[dapper nacelle]

https://pastie.io/ejqxah.properties

Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: me.dylan.wands.commandhandler.commands.BindAll
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:382) ~[?:1.8.0_212]
at org.bukkit.plugin.java.PluginClassLoader.findClass(PluginClassLoader.java:139) ~[patched_1.14.4.jar:git-Paper-135]
at org.bukkit.plugin.java.PluginClassLoader.findClass(PluginClassLoader.java:85) ~[patched_1.14.4.jar:git-Paper-135]
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:424) ~[?:1.8.0_212]
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:357) ~[?:1.8.0_212]

how tf do you get such an error

[void void]

you fukd up

[dapper nacelle]

ClassNotFoundException only happens when the compiler is drunk

but I've restarted it several times

[void void]

yes im sure that's the answer

it couldn't at all possibly be your fault

[dapper nacelle]

Well there is nothing in the code which I noticed that could cause that

[void void]

sounds like the class is not in your jar.

[dapper nacelle]

I checked

it was

[void void]

[dapper nacelle]

no really

[void void]

Bindall

BindAll

[dapper nacelle]

why is it named like that...

[void void]

[dapper nacelle]

my compiler is frigged up then

[void void]

[dapper nacelle]

why would it have a different name then my class name?

[void void]

because you are not following java standard and naming your file the same as its containing class.

[dapper nacelle]

but its named the same

[void void]

i dont have time for this

[dapper nacelle]

well at first it was named like that but then I refactored it

there must of have gone something wrong then

wtf it keeps renaming it like Bindall

[golden gust]

inb4 windows

[dapper nacelle]

fuck this compiler

wtf

[void void]

[dapper nacelle]

its named correctly

[void void]

have you cleaned your target directly then compiled

[dapper nacelle]

no

[void void]

then try

[dapper nacelle]

its fixed

:/

[void void]

[dapper nacelle]

can I configure my pom to do this before install?

<defaultGoal>clean package</defaultGoal>

[void void]

just add a clean step before you build lol

[dapper nacelle]

this is what its set to

or I'll run mvn clean install

[dapper nacelle]

that did the job

[cunning badge]

Hmm I just went from 10 tps 50% tps loss to 20tps 0% tps loss ...

Enabled citizens keep chunk loaded

So instead of loading and unloading the chunks 150.000 times an hour its reduced to a minimum

[void void]

[cunning badge]

Not sure if im happy with that solution or not

[dapper nacelle]

lol

[tropic flame]

quite hot in europe https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246072060185542656/603917459845677067/txint_eur2_whf3.png

[potent halo]

jesus

43 in africa

[azure patio]

I would die

literally

[tropic flame]

lmao right now it's 26ºC at my place in Portugal

google says the max is 28

i'm pretty nice here, rip central france though

[wide chasm]

Currently 39.5 max in my country, 37 in my place.

I have AC.

[golden gust]

AC in the UK is pretty rare, tbh

[wide chasm]

It's almost 40C, though.

[golden gust]

The worse part is that our houses are literally designed to keep as much heat in as possible, however

(Also, as a renter, it's a PITA because you can't really fit stuff like that, and those portable units are kinda 'eh

[wide chasm]

.wa 101 fahrenheit to celsius

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Result: 38.33 °C (degrees Celsius) - https://is.gd/ydWhQ9

[wide chasm]

.wa 109 fahrenheit to celsius

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Result: 42.78 °C (degrees Celsius) - https://is.gd/dSka2m

[sudden scarab]

@tropic flame global warming amirite

[tropic flame]

@sudden scarab I guess, in the other hand it makes me appreciate winters more

[wide chasm]

Winters are great

[golden gust]

as a kid, I found that comical

Now it's kinda :S

[tropic flame]

lmao winters at my place never go below 0

[peak dirge]

today for us it's 67 degrees Fahrenheit (or 19 degrees Celsius, pick your poison)

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Result: -33.89 °C (degrees Celsius) - https://is.gd/tUq8kS

[tropic flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246072060185542656/603934897295327232/unknown.png

[sudden scarab]

metric to imperial is what paper is to spigot

[peak dirge]

My locale: Southeastern United States

[wide chasm]

Should all just use Kelvin.

[sudden scarab]

Rankin scale for y'all Fahreinheit lovers

Actually, Fahrenheit lived in Gdańsk, Poland, where I'm currently studying. AMA

(Wasn't actually Poland back then - Free city of Gdańsk)

[tropic flame]

LOL

[sudden scarab]

Whjy did he have high body temperature when taking the reference is my question.

[limber knot]

Everything not using SI units, are a unit that can be aligned to a SI units is stupid

That's why we have standards

[sudden scarab]

^

[limber knot]

It doesn't

But are scales good?

[tropic flame]

Celsius or I vomit

[limber knot]

The point of a standard is that it's a standard

One unit for temperature, one unit for lenght, one unit for speed

It's all logical, connected and makes sense

Mmhh? It's all logical and connected

[sudden scarab]

The Bot has spoken. (Do you guys use widgetbot here?)

[limber knot]

K just means 1000, it doesn't matter much

It's just aligned for simplicity, the unit is still gramm

To better align with Newton

It's just adjusted into a range that's logical for ppl

Ufff

[pulsar wigeon]

tablespoons are volume

[limber knot]

Point is, just accept a standard

Don't make a new standard

[pulsar wigeon]

why the fuck are you calculating the weight

[tropic flame]

I consider that better than tablespoons literally being considered a unit

[pulsar wigeon]

barty you're retarded

[tropic flame]

what if your tablespoon is bigger than mine

[pulsar wigeon]

it's not logics

[limber knot]

Wtf is cgs?

[wide chasm]

Doesn't CGS use centimetre as the base?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centimetre–gram–second_system_of_units

[pulsar wigeon]

a tablespoon is a unit with a defined volume

[wide chasm]

Wouldn't you have the same thing as with the kilogram not being grams?

[pulsar wigeon]

(depending on where you are, that definition might be different tho)

[wide chasm]

But now with length?

[limber knot]

All 3 of those units are si units?

[tropic flame]

there you go, depending on where I am

[limber knot]

Of course they are

[pulsar wigeon]

yes they are

lol

they're just not base units

they are derived

[limber knot]

Just adjusted

Ye

[pulsar wigeon]

actually

[limber knot]

But they still belong to the si system

[pulsar wigeon]

seconds are the base units of time

[tropic flame]

kilogram - gram - milligram are in the same system lol

[pulsar wigeon]

cm and g aren't (meter and kg are)

[limber knot]

That's how you not want it to work

When ppl talk about SI, they mean all units

[pulsar wigeon]

and if you can't divide/multiply a number by 1000, you're retarded

[limber knot]

It's a part of SI

The metric system is an internationally recognised decimalised system of measurement. It is in widespread use, and where it is adopted, it is the only or most common system of weights and measures (see metrication). It is now known as the International System of Units (SI).

Wikipedia

[pulsar wigeon]

wtf are you on about barty

or kilometers

depending on where they are asking

if you're asking for the distance across a field, you might expect meters

if you're asking the distance between cities, you might expect kilometers

[tropic flame]

^

[pulsar wigeon]

either way, they are SI units

km just happens to be the "base unit"

whereas meters is derived (by multiplying by 1000)

[limber knot]

The other way

But ye

[pulsar wigeon]

er, yea

w/e

barty is making me lose precious brain cells

i only have 2 left you know

[limber knot]

Ah I love the English scale

For some stupid reason they rebranded milliard to billion

[pulsar wigeon]

you mean for some stupid reason they rebranded billion to milliard?

:^)

[limber knot]

The English scale came later ;)

[vestal jasper]

long scale > short scale

[tropic flame]

i don't know which one i prefer

short one is simpler to say lol

"one thousand million" bruh just reduce it to a word

[wide chasm]

Long scale, absolutely.

[vestal jasper]

milliard

wiz literally said the word for that a few minutes ago

[tropic flame]

I'm pretty sure there's no translation of "milliard" to portuguese

we literally just say a thousand million

[wide chasm]

We use the long scale here exclusively.

[tropic flame]

lmao google translates it to billion

or the "thousand million"

[potent halo]

problem is that billion is different amounts depending on the scale

A billion is a number with two distinct definitions:

1,000,000,000, i.e. one thousand million, or 109 (ten to the ninth power), as defined on the short scale. This is now the meaning in both British and American English.[1][2]
1,000,000,000,000, i.e. one million million, or 1012 (ten to the twelfth power), as defined on the long scale. This is one thousand times larger than the short scale billion, and equivalent to the short scale trillion. This is the historic definition of a billion in British English.

milliard is similar

[wide chasm]

So you pick one scale and use that. I'm for the long scale myself.

[vestal jasper]

I prefer long scale

[wide chasm]

Or just specify which scale you use.

Because with the long scale a billion is actually a million to the power two.

[vestal jasper]

^

[wide chasm]

Same for trillion, etc.

[potent halo]

when i was a kid i thought billion meant 2 million, because bicycle

we say those in french

[wide chasm]

I do, but that's more because my native language uses the long scale.

Don't know why it changed though, Wikipedia says that at some point in the 19th century France just switched and the US followed. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#History)

[potent halo]

yes blame the french 😛

[shrewd token]

Am I allowed to send a link to my music in #music ? x)

[wide chasm]

I don't see why not.

[shrewd token]

cool

[sudden scarab]

NASA uses metric due to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter
Mars Climate Orbiter - Wikipedia

[shrewd token]

Metric system FTW

And I'm not saying that because i'm french

[sturdy fulcrum]

Guess I’ll post some of my beats in #music too

[potent halo]

I think I read somewhere that a rocket failed because one of the components was sending measures in imperial instead of metric

[shrewd token]

Hey @sturdy fulcrum your tracks are really nice !

[sturdy fulcrum]

Ayy thanks those were from back in the day!

[pastel latch]

Who the heck is dis guy

I'll flip you back to heck realm clip

[shrewd token]

what a way to join a server

[sturdy fulcrum]

Check out keyz @shrewd token

[pastel latch]

[shrewd token]

it's really nice, I think it just misses a bit of reverb on the drums

especially on the snare

but the piano is suuuper cool

[sturdy fulcrum]

Yeah that was so long ago. The mix is shit but it still has a good melody

[limber knot]

https://twitter.com/SimoRoth/status/1154393794818785281?s=19

Simon Roth (@SimoRoth)

The Netherlands and Germany just broke their all time temperature records... from yesterday.

Twitter

(MiniDigger) @SimoRoth (Simon Roth): The Netherlands and Germany just broke their all time temperature records... from yesterday. (14 minutes and 57 seconds ago)

Ups

[void void]

poop

I saw you typing wiz

[golden gust]

Because $$$$$$$$

it's also complex af

Given how much nuclear is shunned too reaaaaallly doesn't help with matters

[limber knot]

Smth smth you can do it

In Germany 65% of energy is renewable

Almost 50% of our energy is wind

That's over 5 terrawatts

(that's average, and that's where the issue is)

Other source

https://irc.minidigger.me/uploads/ffd7f1abab4b0e04/Screenshot_20190725-164351.png

[pulsar wigeon]

b-b-b-but all the coal miners will lose their jeerrrbsss

[golden gust]

And energy prices in germany have gone up year after year

And you guys literally rely on frances nuclear juice

[digital talon]

Germany still exports energy

[pulsar wigeon]

turns out economics and commerce is also really complex

and you can export something and import a very similar thing too

(again, mostly because $$$$$)

[golden gust]

^^

I was watching some documentary a good while ago, and basically contries which are moving more to renewables are having to invest a lot more cash into their grids, we're still waiting for a lot of the tech such as batteries to be able to viably consider renewables as a primary power source

Tldr is that renewables are good for the environment, but they're costly on your wallet, and you end up introducing more natural gas onto the grid because guess what? renewables are unstable af and you need a plant which can power up fast

[upper flicker]

https://twitter.com/yourkit/status/1154403475779923971

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) @yourkit (yourkit): If you develop Minecraft mods, then coming YourKit Java Profiler 2019.8 brings deobfuscation supports of MCP mappin… https://t.co/s7PQ9F9xlG (2 minutes and 54 seconds ago)

Guess they got enough Minecraft projects applying for a licence 😂

Spigot mappings when? 😂

[upper flicker]

Useful mappings only

[golden gust]

Did twitter change their site?

[upper flicker]

Yes

They've been rolling it out

[limber knot]

looks awful

[golden gust]

wtf did they do to it

Also

[upper flicker]

They made it super mobile looking

[golden gust]

Shoulda been yarn

😄

[upper flicker]

But in some ways it's more useful

So I guess we'll see

[wide chasm]

Should've been spigot mappings /s

[golden gust]

mappings

[upper flicker]

Sucked before, sucks now, yay Twitter

[golden gust]

I hate the new > thing in discord too 😦

> Mappings

[wide chasm]

Spigot mappings are easier to implement, much less work.

[vestal jasper]

would be nice if they used something other than > for the quotes

[golden gust]

I think that they just opted to use the most fuck you characters

on PTB, no idea if that's out for all

[upper flicker]

Pretty sure they just used the markdown chars

[pulsar wigeon]

i haev it now

[golden gust]

Also, server folders for canary users

[pulsar wigeon]

and i'm not on ptb or antyhing

so i'm guessing it's being pushed to master now

[golden gust]

For some reason dicord doesn't seem to handle updates

[pulsar wigeon]

yea discord's updater is retarded

[golden gust]

I guess they update the "client" and the web stuff seperately or something stupid

[pulsar wigeon]

>using greentext in discord

[shrewd token]

they use a module system

[pulsar wigeon]

lul

[shrewd token]

a lot of things are updated spearately iirc

Yup, all these things are updated separately

[golden gust]

Well, great

But they could at least get the updater to tell you when you should restart the client or something to get the latest version

[shrewd token]

There is actually

[upper flicker]

It does it just does a really shit job

[shrewd token]

a small green arrow in the top right

[golden gust]

Which rarely ever shows

[upper flicker]

I'm not sure if it only does after ones been pending for days

[shrewd token]

yes

x)

[upper flicker]

Or what their timeline is

But it's slow

[golden gust]

Most of the time people start talking about things and a cmd-r fetches it

e.g. didn't have the > thing, "check for updates" did nothing, yet restarting discord pulled it in

[wide chasm]

Well at least one part gets the update correctly then

[worn ember]

twitter still looks exactly the same to me?

[woven otter]

omg where is Z

[worn ember]

paper auto updater when?

[pulsar wigeon]

🚮

[worn ember]

yes, littering is bad

[pulsar wigeon]

you're bad

[worn ember]

but but but ;n;

[void void]

yes you're bad, no but-s

[upper flicker]

%

Ah yes they added the quote thing to their mobile builds

[sturdy fulcrum]

not yet on IOS

test

[upper flicker]

It just came through on their TestFlight builds

So I assume it'll hit release eventually

[sturdy fulcrum]

updating now

test

Ah yeah

nice

[worn ember]

🤔

[upper flicker]

🤔

[pulsar wigeon]

[quasi valley]

[quasi valley]

the compression is real

[pulsar wigeon]

i honestly have no idea how the dpi works on this monitor

sometimes it comes out large and clear, sometimes it comes out small and fuzzy

[fallen quiver]

just started coding

can i use paper instead of spigot

[pulsar wigeon]

nice monitors

lul

[fallen quiver]

as the external jar

(in the eclpies part)

[quasi valley]

pulling discord from a normal monitor to a tv monitor
https://kennytv.eu/files/8tzgm.png
https://kennytv.eu/files/rcq8w.png

just distorts the size of everything

[wide chasm]

Yes, you can @fallen quiver

[fallen quiver]

ty

[sturdy fulcrum]

Update fellas lol

[limber knot]

Hey y'all would appreciate some help. How do I give players an already generated and filled map? I want to ensure everyone has the same maps.

[void void]

test

ha not here yet

[sturdy fulcrum]

Here on iOS

[austere ivy]

FOLKS.

Folders!

Server folders!

[sturdy fulcrum]

It’s already available on Android

Good

[austere ivy]

It's here, you probably know that, but what you DON'T know (maybe) is that you can rename them.

Left clicking (on Desktop/Browser atleast) brings up a menu where you can rename them and color them.

[quasi valley]

1.14 confirmed great performance https://kennytv.eu/files/tzsmt.png

[sturdy fulcrum]

I can throw all these discord servers that spam alerts in the announcement channel in a single folder woohoo

[austere ivy]

Amazing.

[sturdy fulcrum]

Brian change your name back

Stop impersonating

We know who u r

[austere ivy]

I have Personal Servers, EscRes, Minecraft Servers, Technical Minecraft, Minecraft Development, Minecraft Plugins, Techy Stuff, Friends, Music, Games, Reddit Memes, and Peepo Emotes.

Hm, what?

OH MY NAME.

I didn't set it to that.

thanks for reminding me.

[sturdy fulcrum]

Thanks

[austere ivy]

Thank you.

[potent halo]

are you the Brian

[charred hound]

server folders where? I need to be on canary?

[quick gust]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/earth-had-a-near-miss-with-city-killer-asteroid-this-morning-20190725-p52apn.html

[upper flicker]

Just another reminder that life is random, meaningless, and you should treat every day like it's your last

Universe doesn't care about your stick figure family

[quick gust]

Due to the trajectory of the asteroid – flying towards us from the direction of the sun – astronomers had no warning it was headed our way.

[austere ivy]

Am I what Brian?

@potent halo WHAT BRIAN!?!?

[potent halo]

THE brian

idk

[austere ivy]

:peepoJuice:

[woven otter]

nostalgia am I right:
https://i.imgur.com/Ix13IQd.png

[austere ivy]

Hey I'll start up a server for that

It's pretty easy right?

[pulsar wigeon]

you gonna run an hmod server now?

[potent halo]

my first time in the Nether on october 30th was scary

[austere ivy]

No @pulsar wigeon I think you can get the server jars from the launcher

At least the most recent ones. I'll see how far back it goes.

I found an alpha server jar, 1.2.6

@woven otter I got one for your version

[woven otter]

are you trying to infect me

[austere ivy]

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ke2i16vh0rss75i/Minecraft_Server.jar/file

nah

There you go if you want to try it, I'm gonna try it locally

[pulsar wigeon]

i have an hmod server jar and worldedit for a1.2.6

[austere ivy]

I found it on r/minecraft, thanks folks.

[woven otter]

remember this:
https://i.imgur.com/JlGeEn3.png

[austere ivy]

No way wiz! Did you get in touch with the worldedit devs somehow for that!?

If someone can host an instance of that server and portforward it'd be 💯

Hey I get over 60 FPS with this version! :D

[woven otter]

I can host it for a small donation

[austere ivy]

Sure yeah.

How much?

Here I'll give you 10.

[potent halo]

Im pretty sure I have hmod with worldedit on my pc at home

[austere ivy]

/pay nossr🦆 10

[woven otter]

I didn't receive anything. Your plugin is broken Brian

[austere ivy]

oof.

| You have received 10 dollars from TehBrian! |

did it work now?

[potent halo]

/pay LordZachBora 🦆 10000

[woven otter]

no

you just typed in some ridiculous message

[austere ivy]

I'M ACTUALLY getting like 10 fps on this version.

Ouch.

1.12 runs better than this

[woven otter]

~80 fps for me

[austere ivy]

yeah well not everyone has a decent computer like you

[placid thicket]

Still over 1k for me

[austere ivy]

OK feel free to join. 127.0.0.1

[woven otter]

it's shit by average standards

[potent halo]

im joining brian

[placid thicket]

... Brian...

[austere ivy]

:(

[austere ivy]

Alright my computer is heating up WAAAY too hot in my lap.

Starting to burn my legs a bit.

Amongst other parts of my body.

How about someone else hosts it?

[placid thicket]

Stop it, get some help

[woven otter]

maybe you have confused heater with your computer

[worn ember]

/pay darkeyedragon -5000 to take all my money!!111!!

[placid thicket]

Also that's not a joinable IP, just saying

[austere ivy]

/pay darkeyedragon -5000

lol I remember that scam

I got a lot of money from that you know

[worn ember]

:))

same

[austere ivy]

I know flanigo ;p

[worn ember]

@placid thicket try 127.0.0.1

best ip

[placid thicket]

I know how networks work.

[austere ivy]

ok fine I lied

[woven otter]

no try ::1

[austere ivy]

my actual IP is 192.168.0.5

join

[placid thicket]

Any status update on the 14.4 block break thing?

[woven otter]

what's that

[worn ember]

@woven otter me server no support ipv6 :(((

[austere ivy]

Who wants to play ping roulette?

@woven otter , @worn ember , @placid thicket , and @austere ivy are entered.

[woven otter]

it's actually ipv4 afaik

[worn ember]

fine this man for harrasment

[austere ivy]

At random I'm going to ping someone, whoever gets pinged, must ping the pinger BEFORE another person pings the pinger.

Wait no.

So basically.

I ping flanigomik and he has to ping me BEFORE another person pings me.

[placid thicket]

You can force ipv6 but Mc don't like

[worn ember]

@woven otter :: only works in ipv6 iirc

[austere ivy]

And if IIS Kernel Mode pings nossr, let's say I ping IIS first, then nossr is out.

[placid thicket]

Nah

[worn ember]

ill ping your mom

the ms will be < 1

[woven otter]

no let's play a game where you ping wiz and he calls you names

[austere ivy]

You first

[placid thicket]

Do it, no balls

You won't

[worn ember]

lets bully Aikar for playing Ark

[placid thicket]

Drop a good old @ everyone and get banned

[woven otter]

let's bully Aikar for taking a break