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[void void]

what servers are you on

[wide hazel]

.xkcd irc singularity

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: Server Problem (20 July 2012) | http://xkcd.com/1084

xkcd: Server Problem

Protip: Annoy Ray Kurzweil by always referring to it as the 'Cybersingularity'.

[wide hazel]

I mean

It's not wrong

I'll be damned

[void void]

lmao

i know the one you're talking about

.xkcd slack

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: Simple Answers (11 November 2013) | http://xkcd.com/1289

xkcd: Simple Answers

'Will [ ] allow us to better understand each other and thus make war undesirable?' is one that pops up whenever we invent a new communication medium.

[void void]

nope

[wide hazel]

Right?!

There's so many

[void void]

.xkcd team chat

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: Pep Talk (16 February 2009) | http://xkcd.com/544

xkcd: Pep Talk

Listen! They said a team of chess players coached by someone with no understanding of basketball would never be competitive in the NBA! Well, it turns out they're pretty perceptive.

[void void]

what the fuck.

[limber knot]

In school, additionally to mc stuff, I worked at a warehouse, but in IT. Got paided 15 euro per hour to fix printers basically, while the ones destoryinf them got paid just minimum wage, like 8 euros at that time

[void void]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/team_chat.png

that one.

[limber knot]

After school I started my dual study and got basically paid 1000k for going to uni

[void void]

1000k

are you a millionaire mini

[limber knot]

And now that I got that done, I get paided like a proper professional

Sure 😂😂

[void void]

1000k is 1 mil

answer the question bitch

[wide hazel]

No u

[limber knot]

s/k/€

[void void]

is paided a word i didn't know about

[limber knot]

Correction, <DiscordBot> <03s​im​pl​e> 1000**€** is 1 mil

[void void]

oh ok

[limber knot]

iLearner, it's not a word in English, not

But I don't speak English

[void void]

he speaks mini

[limber knot]

I invented a language called minilang

[void void]

its his own language

[wide hazel]

I get paided for my learn'd all day

[void void]

👺

[limber knot]

Wtf is that emoji

And why is it part of utf

[wide hazel]

Angry Pinocchio?

[void void]

japanese goblin

apparently

[obsidian belfry]

[void void]

https://puu.sh/DV5iw/b940097da0.png

[limber knot]

I can hover over Unicode emjois on irc too, thanks

[void void]

i thought i'd help your retarded ass

SoRrY

[wide hazel]

I don't blame him. Father issues, magical fuckery screwing him over, and swallowed by a goddamned whale

Tough life

I'd be pissed too

[limber knot]

Wanna be my dad?

[wide hazel]

Lol

[void void]

i want egg to be my dad too

could use some god damn security professionals in this household

[wide hazel]

Whoever said I was professional is a liar

[void void]

i thought you said that

[wide hazel]

I am a liar

[void void]

well

im willing to take the risk

[limber knot]

See, Nobody wants an IT professional in their household :/

[wide hazel]

Is there a technical definition or line that says what a professional is?

[limber knot]

And if they do, it's just to fix the god damn stupid printers!

[wide hazel]

Lol

[limber knot]

Doing it for money 😂

[void void]

1. can computer
2. can google

[limber knot]

As your profession

Not obsession

[void void]

actually, as per my last job, a professional was somebody who was certified by microsoft

(not /s, sadly)

[wide hazel]

Ah, well in that case I'm also a professional call receiver

[limber knot]

Microsoft calls their call center agents, front line support engineers ^^

[wide hazel]

But I suppose I would be a professional security.. er.. guy?

[acoustic pilot]

"Front line" haha

Yeah we all know how the front line is treated

[wide hazel]

Taking that bullet

[void void]

yeah, even the help desk interns are called "Level One Support Engineer" at my last job

which sounds super cool

[limber knot]

Some dude in eastern Europe tried to reset my buisness account password and dictate me the new one

I didn't understand shit

[static badge]

level one support engineer

[wide hazel]

Seen so many jobs hit my inbox with that

[void void]

until you realize that mostly you're troubleshooting "my sound is not working and I have a skype meeting in 5 minutes"

[wide hazel]

"support engineer" for essentially a printer tech

[void void]

oh yes that was a big one too

[limber knot]

Aren't you a programmer egg? Couldn't you get a programming job?

[void void]

which was LITERALLY just adding the printer

[wide hazel]

I'm just reading them going "did you actually read my resume?"

[void void]

those things are hardly ever broken

[acoustic pilot]

egg dont need no jerb

he has all that spigot monies

[wide hazel]

@digger I currently contract with a small web hosting company, but will be moving on in about a year or so

Onboarding process takes forever

[limber knot]

So like devops stuff?

[wide hazel]

Sysadmin and security mostly

I love code, but security pays better and I love security just as much as I love code

[limber knot]

Onboarding in my current team was fun: hey, welcome, rewrite that software please, don't ask questions, there is no onboarding, nobody knows how it works

😂

[wide hazel]

Easy choice

[limber knot]

Security is fun

We had a pentesting firm test use for a few weeks

[wide hazel]

Yeah, sadly I'll have to wait a bit for myself

That's alright though

[limber knot]

My chances are good to be part of the post mortem workshop with them where they explain what they did and how they did it

They powned us hard

[wide hazel]

I'll bet

[acoustic pilot]

what a picture to go with that headline lol

[limber knot]

Both our physical security and via the Internet

[wide hazel]

Most companies really suck at security

Glad your place actually bothered to test

[limber knot]

Management was like: "hey there was a test, company was impressed by our security"

When they had windows domain admin within the first day 😂

[wide hazel]

Heh

[limber knot]

We are insurance, I think we are required to?

We are at the same level as banks

[void void]

Oh yeah that was another thing

[wide hazel]

Rip

[void void]

I locked down the ECM hard

Company brought in pentesters

They got nothing

Absolutely nothing

[wide hazel]

Terrible pentesters then

[void void]

Honestly, I thought so too

[limber knot]

Yeah

[void void]

They asked me too many questions

[limber knot]

There is always something to get

Ours had no outside knowledge at all

Like it's supposed to be

And the found a bufferoverlow -> RCE in our application server

[void void]

I actually sarcastically asked the pentester "so you have no idea what this system is?" (didnt even know it was an ECM?)

and he was like 'yes'

[limber knot]

I have never heard ecm

[wide hazel]

I locked 8 Linux boxes down against DoD and FireEye but they still had a report for us after two days

[limber knot]

I guess it's an CMS?

[void void]

enterprise content management yea basically

it stored documents, such as loans, encrypted with AES256

[limber knot]

Ah

So SAP

Not a CMS as that's more for websites

[void void]

It wasn't SAP but yea similar

[limber knot]

Do Americans use SAP

[void void]

Probably yes

However this was Hyland OnBase

(which is....yikes)

[limber knot]

In Germany it's basically, use SAP or gtf out

Not that I like SAP

But its better than our old lotus notes based solutions 😂

We have fireeye appliances are work

No sure what they do, I think it's a WAF?

[void void]

a lot of the business units were using sharepoint for all their important data, including loan documentation (which blew my mind) before i migrated them

this was a bank btw

it was a mess

[limber knot]

Hey everyone

[void void]

hi

[worn ember]

Hi

Bye

[vestal jasper]

bye

[limber knot]

Oh weird, my nick is broken, hold on, bouncer isn't completely setup

[void void]

oh boy i sure love me some mouse lag

[limber knot]

Oof

Anway, now my nick is fixed, how's everyone doing?

[void void]

working on web dev which is hell brought to conception on earth

[worn ember]

@void void what you making 👀

[void void]

im making an app for people in long distance relationships, such that they can create a room and share media that is syched between all parties in the room

rabbit existed, but is shutting down

all others look like shit, so im making it 1) functional and 2) pretty

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if you could could add a dick through wire functionality it'd do great

[void void]

true

[coarse narwhal]

hello, I use paper-135 since today (131 before) and the mob of my server are now invisible. Some know why ?

[static badge]

tab plugin?

[coarse narwhal]

yes

[void void]

you know that actually exists, leaf

[static badge]

try removing the tab plugin

yeah I wouldn't be surprised

[coarse narwhal]

@static badge tab plugin could make the mob invisible ??? 🤔

[static badge]

yes

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/2335#issuecomment-513444825

[void void]

@static badge NSFW
For females: ||https://www.lovense.com/rabbit-vibrator||
For males: ||https://www.lovense.com/male-masturbators||

Info: ||They connect via wifi, and as you use either, the other contracts or pulls as necessary||

JESUS

[static badge]

nice job on the

censoring

L

U

L

[void void]

sorry

[static badge]

shit

[limber knot]

also IRC, that is NSFW. Spoilers dont work i am sorry. lol

[wide hazel]

Uhh

Hm

Welp

Lol

[void void]

delete if you need to egg understandable lol

[wide hazel]

Eh, it's probably fine

Just forgot about irc

Lol

[void void]

yeah me too

i checked to see if it did anything and it didnt

would be nice if it pasted to another link with spoiler or something

[wide hazel]

Well that's what they get for using a terrible, outdated chat client :P

Fite me

[worn ember]

@void void that's pretty cool

[void void]

I agree

[worn ember]

Irc big gea

[coarse narwhal]

@static badge you were right ! I suppressed TAB and the mob come back

very supprising ...

Thank you

[worn ember]

TAB?

[coarse narwhal]

I guess they will fix this quick

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/tab-1-8-x-1-14-3-reborn.57806/

[acoustic pilot]

#FreeRocky

[merry zealot]

Y'all can i flex for a minute

I got 63.28 wpm on a typeracer app

[wide hazel]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/politics/fact-check-trump-aoc-garbage-omar-jews/index.html

[void void]

thats not even a lot, patch

[wide hazel]

sigh

[merry zealot]

On mobile @void void

[void void]

still

[merry zealot]

With my two thumbs

The app doesn't allow for swype typing btw

[wide hazel]

And that's me done with news for the day, again

[merry zealot]

@void void you try getting 63.28 wpm on mobile (phone) :(

[wide hazel]

Exactly 63.28?

Might take a while

[void void]

https://puu.sh/DV62e/90715376c3.png

[wide hazel]

That's not 63.28 @void void

Try again

[void void]

rip

[acoustic pilot]

lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/cffobc/interesting_things_happening_at_comiccon/

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(DiscordBot) Interesting things happening at Comic-Con : sandiego - 18 comments, 18 points - allybearound, 7h ago

[acoustic pilot]

Man I should go downtown and see the crazy myself

[merry zealot]

@void void on mobile with just the onscreen keyboard though

[acoustic pilot]

but fuck that

[merry zealot]

I can get 105 on desktop that's no issue

[vestal jasper]

I love how often typing speed tests just completely break on mobile

[merry zealot]

@wide hazel oh its 63.26 btw dang

@vestal jasper how so?

My mistake

[vestal jasper]

they seem to not understand what the fucking spacebar is

[wide hazel]

@acoustic pilot apparently butt-fucking is something they hate anyway, so best if you don't

[merry zealot]

Oh hmm the app i was using seemed to be doing fine

[wide hazel]

I make jokes

Sometimes they're good

[merry zealot]

The only issue with it was the fact that you can use bluetooth keyboard so the leaderboard is fucked

[wide hazel]

Sometimes they're that

[acoustic pilot]

ye those people are just pricks

[wide hazel]

"but fuck that"

[acoustic pilot]

would be fun to watch if I lived closer, but downtown is like 20 miles from where I am 😛

[wide hazel]

I try

[vestal jasper]

43 WPM on mobile one handed

[merry zealot]

I haven't tried onehanded yet

Brb

[wide hazel]

Also, people with differing opinions being hateful

Super surprising

Though a little off for comic-con

[acoustic pilot]

San Diego is fairly conservative

[wide hazel]

Ohhhhh

That explains thongs

I mean

[acoustic pilot]

Indeed

[wide hazel]

Yeah

[unreal quarry]

fun fact: i can only do about 30 wpm because i still look at my keyboard :S

[wide hazel]

Fuck it

It explains thongs

[merry zealot]

First try was 37.3 @vestal jasper

[vestal jasper]

On mobile I only type one handed

not really able to easily use both

[merry zealot]

Hmm i use two thumbs

[vestal jasper]

Yeah I just one thumb it

[wide hazel]

I use one finger, punctuation, and no swipe

I type like a word per minute

If I'm lucky

[wide hazel]

Easy to tell if I'm on mobile though because it capitalizes the first word of all my chats

[merry zealot]

xd

i consciously uncapitalize everything

cause I don't like first word caps

I do capitalize nearly all my I's though for some reason

Most of these are with Bluetooth keyboard if you ask me

I would say the 80wpm range is still feasible on mobile

If you're on like a tablet with horizontal keyboard

And you can use more fingers

[unreal quarry]

i woudl say wpm is a pretty useless stat, tbh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal jasper]

I almost never make use of how fast I can type

I usually just send messages as long as this

[grand pewter]

but you send them instantaneously

[vestal jasper]

and my wpm cap averages 100

true

[grand pewter]

😃

[vestal jasper]

but most of my friends are really slow typers

[grand pewter]

summons a small blurb of text from the void

[vestal jasper]

I remember when my wpm was like 30

in hs

[merry zealot]

47wpm at 94% accuracy is p useful imo @unreal quarry

[void void]

104 @ 98% lol

[worn ember]

its nice for typing long texts, but not really that useful for programming anyway

[merry zealot]

On pc yea @void void

[worn ember]

cuz you need to think what you're going to do anyway

[merry zealot]

On a physical keyboard that's much easier @void void

[grand pewter]

i mostly do programming in my free time and i usually don't need high WPM unless i'm doing something where i am both 1) not needing to think about the code and 2) am not able to copy paste things

[void void]

mobile typing it doesn't matter, i'd wager, at all

[grand pewter]

which is not often

[merry zealot]

@void void i type a lot of essays and stories on my phone so it does to me

[worn ember]

if i had to type at high speed on my phone i'd just not use a phone 😃

[merry zealot]

Cause i get bored when im not home and i have only my phone to type on

[acoustic pilot]

yeah it's just a flex, it has no practical value unless you actually need to stream your thoughts

[worn ember]

buy a laptop lol

[acoustic pilot]

which is not something programmers need to do

[unreal quarry]

^

[merry zealot]

@worn ember im broke D:

[vestal jasper]

109 WPM with 2 mistakes, effectively 111 if I didn't fuck up

Instead of "put", you typed "pu".
Instead of "own", you typed "oiwn".```

[acoustic pilot]

As far as improving my typing, I just use an unlabeled Das keyboard

[limber knot]

Programmers don't need high wpm

[acoustic pilot]

Typing speed is more than good enough

[limber knot]

They have intellij

[worn ember]

if i have enough money i'll donate my craptop to you @merry zealot when i buy a new laptop

[merry zealot]

I'd rather save up a couple months and buy an actual laptop

[worn ember]

programmers need fast brain lul

[merry zealot]

If you get me

Dude my brain is 300wpm

[worn ember]

wow insulting my craptop

u monster

[merry zealot]

You called it a craptop

[unreal quarry]

dont even need a fast brain. just a sharp one. 😉

[grand pewter]

programmers don't need wpm, they need cpm (commits per minute)

[worn ember]

google: DiD yoU meAn BaLd

[merry zealot]

but im not just a programmer

Im a serial hobbyist

[grand pewter]

100 commits per minute, the ultimate god programmer

😃

[worn ember]

i'm a serial killer

[unreal quarry]

serial hobbyist? is that the new-age term for jack of all trades?

"master of none"

runs

[worn ember]

master slave runs

[merry zealot]

I do coding, producing (music), writing, video editor, designer

Ouch

[worn ember]

i have a degree in graphical design lul

and webdesign, animation

[merry zealot]

It's jack of all trades except i do none "professionally" as in i dont make money off any of them @unreal quarry

[unreal quarry]

nothing wrong with being a jack of all trades, master of none. i'm one of them ^_^

[worn ember]

fun thing is, i suck in all except webdesign

[unreal quarry]

i can do legit anything i put my mind to. just not the best at any of it

[merry zealot]

I have been making music for the past 7 years and would like to say im better than most but all the others are around average

[worn ember]

that can be good and bad tho

usually people that are good at one thing get a higher pay 😃

cuz they're hired to do that specific thing

[merry zealot]

People usually dont want one person to do one thing very well rather than loads of shit adequately

Much more useful

[worn ember]

nah

[unreal quarry]

theres only been 1 thing i could not do my entire life. and thats go deeper than 10m under water. hurts my ears/head too much

[worn ember]

depends what field tho

you could wear a pressurized suit lol

I bet is cuz you listen to all that metal @unreal quarry

your skull melted away

[unreal quarry]

i think its cuz i skydive 😒

opposites in pressures

[worn ember]

[merry zealot]

If I were to hire someone for webdesign i would want them to have a proper understanding of more than just coding the website. I would want them to have a proper understanding of what is easy to use, fast and clean, and also be able to understand any existing backends

[worn ember]

i dont think that would matter too much

you're only skydiving for a few minutes

[merry zealot]

Not just a static landing page

[worn ember]

well obviously

but do you want a programmer that knows 10 languages half assed

or knows the one you're using well

[merry zealot]

That's a different kind of jack of all trades though

[merry talon]

Shouldnt need to know about anything backend for web design

just REST

[worn ember]

webdev is the odd ball in this case tbh

[unreal quarry]

no, you're listing the same thing.. a web dev does web dev things. not produce music and other junk on the side lol

[worn ember]

you're better of knowing a little bit of everything in webdesign

[merry zealot]

@unreal quarry discard the music for a minute

You can be very avid in PHP and js but if you dont have a good visual understanding of what a user wants to look at what good will that do you

[unreal quarry]

i'm just saying. if you're a jack of all trades, then youre a jack of all trades. if you're only good in a handful of things, then thats your area of expertise.

[worn ember]

you can still work as a backend dev lol

but agreed thats not very much needed these days

[merry zealot]

Aight fair enough

Dabbling in loads of other creative areas will improve your understanding of good design

[worn ember]

design is aids

[merry zealot]

True

[worn ember]

thats all im going to say

[unreal quarry]

i think some people just overestimate themselves because of their upbringing. always being told how smart or good they are at everything. i know, i was brought up thinking i was some super genius because i could do legit anything and made better grades than people around me. wasn't until after I graduated that I realized i'm actually pretty stupid, i was just surrounded by even dumber people my whole life lmao

[worn ember]

i'd be one of those dumber people lmfao

[merry zealot]

Oh no i know im shit at everything i just like to think im better than average at some stuff i guess

[worn ember]

i thought i was good at programming, cuz i was better than anyone in my class

still i'm not anywhere near the level of programming some people here are lul

[unreal quarry]

it just depends on the crowd you hang around, really

[merry zealot]

Lmao i started programming like 3 weeks ago im completely worthless but i still like doing it, making stuff work makes me feel nice

https://clyp.it/2211t3kc

[unreal quarry]

if you were to go to, idk, a bowling alley and talk to all the poeple there and tell them you could rewrite their scoreboard program they'd all think you were a genius. you go to Google and tell them that and they'd laugh and tell you they did that in the 1st grade as a homework assignment or something

[worn ember]

:))

true

[void void]

lmao

[worn ember]

i follow IT though, so i'd atleast expect someone to be decent in programming xD

[merry zealot]

Should always hang out with the folks that are only slightly smarter than you so you can learn from them without thinking you're a complete moron

[void void]

what do they call that phenomenon where you think you're hot shit at something but really you're not

i forgot

[worn ember]

Yes

[acoustic pilot]

or hang out with folks who are less judgemental lol

[worn ember]

Its not about judging

its about self improvement 😃

[merry zealot]

Dunning-Kruger effect @void void

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot)

[worn ember]

nice bot

[merry zealot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

xD

[worn ember]

man i hate mobile subdomains

[merry zealot]

Just remove the m.

Lmao

[worn ember]

i know

its just annoying

[void void]

"low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence"

epic roast

[limber knot]

Or the .mobi TLD

It's the worst

[merry zealot]

Dude i got the best domain for my minecraft server btw

[worn ember]

"freeminecraftsex.com"

[merry zealot]

main domain is mineglade.com but i got minegla.de

For short urls

And for my plugin i got plugin.moda
Cause apparently .moda is like spanish for fashion

[unreal quarry]

i've also learned over the years to be careful what you let others know you know. one of my last jobs I was a CNC machinist for a steel factory. had to do lots of math stuff to program special ypes of holes to drill and angle to weld/cut at, etc. got tired of doing all the math in my head so i wrote an android app so i could just plug some basic numbers in and it did all the maths for me. next thing my boss is trying to give me all these ideas for an adroid app to make and sell, some type of game or something, idk. i was like dude.. its just a calculator, calm down.

[merry zealot]

Lucky me

[limber knot]

Man, I love short URLs, managed to snag jett.dev which I'm super happy with

[merry zealot]

Nice jett

[void void]

Hello 😃

[merry zealot]

Henlo alex

[limber knot]

o/ howdy

[worn ember]

lmao Billy xD

[merry zealot]

cronch la nombres

[void void]

programming really shouldnt be a special skill

in this day and age and the near future

it should be something you can just do

like drive

:\

[merry zealot]

Programminf should be taught in primary and high school as one of the main subjects

Like english and maths

[limber knot]

simple: Yeah, but some people's brains just turn off when they see a computer

[void void]

it can be taught

[acoustic pilot]

some peoples' brain turn off when they're learning history or geography

doesn't mean it shouldn't be taught

[worn ember]

i work at a company where i do order picking and the software we use doest support special chars like é and stuff. So it breaks when printing out the destinations. I let the boss know about it and he said its a known issue. And i'm just here thinking... what idiot just didnt set it to UTF-8... lmao

i didnt say anything tho xD

[limber knot]

Most highschools are slowly intergrating programming into a curriculum, the issue is that most people who learn it go into the workforce

So there's no teachers

[void void]

i mean we are really on the edge of a new age right now. we call this the digital age but really I think we should call it the edge of the digital age

[acoustic pilot]

sounds like a good case for raising teacher pay

[void void]

because it's gonna become so much fucking more soon

[merry zealot]

Dude i would be an it teacher

I love teaching

[acoustic pilot]

i mean if you want teachers to stick around, pay them competitively lol

[void void]

I've been developing Bukkit plugins since 2012 but stopped in 2015... coming back and porting some of what I've written that supported 1.7 to 1.14.3 is just 😅 😛

The flattening is o_o

Massive changes

[merry zealot]

Real owo hours

Brb gotta shower

[worn ember]

we have a shortage on teachers, and schools are crying for them, but they dont want to give them an actual job... like wtf

[void void]

been sitting here debugging why the state wasn't changing in my app even though i could log and it was a millisecond level race condition

super cute

[merry zealot]

Problem is that schools dont pay as well as an actual job in it

[worn ember]

being a teacher is a joke tbh

[acoustic pilot]

yeah public schools are a mess, local governments often look at education as a first source for defunding

[worn ember]

kids are annoying as fuck

[void void]

i had a professor who called teaching his side gig lol

[worn ember]

you dont get paid properly

[void void]

he was a full time dev at a company and just came to teach at night

[worn ember]

no one respects you

[void void]

cool dude

[acoustic pilot]

teacher wages have been stagnant too

[worn ember]

if you ever teach programming, do it at UNI/College level

[merry zealot]

Schools should just buy those online classes for everyone

[worn ember]

way higher pay

[acoustic pilot]

so you have inflation contributing to the problem

[limber knot]

IIS Kernel Mode: to be fair, I had an IT teacher and he was the worst, didn't know anything about the subject

[acoustic pilot]

yes because all the good ones work for better pay somewhere else

[worn ember]

@merry zealot we get a "free" license on Lynda.com lol

free as in, you're forced to pay for it

lul

[merry zealot]

Apprently my bumble profile looks "amazing!"

[worn ember]

or rather its included in the price

ugh my neighbors have this electric car for their little kid and it makes the most annoying sound ever

[void void]

My webapp has to make a lot of http requests, so I had this weird issue (not really an issue, because it worked) where the data on the page would just show up one after another but now I've added async/await it all appears at once. super slickerinoe

most proud about the form calling API to check username is available and disabling submit until they enter a free username tho

[worn ember]

were those http requests ajax?

[void void]

https://puu.sh/DV6De/953723e173.png

they are yes

[worn ember]

fair enough 😃

ajax calls are weird sometimes

[limber knot]

What're you using for the backend simple?

[worn ember]

i dont think he's using a backend?

[limber knot]

Then what's he checking the usernames against?

[worn ember]

he said http requests so maybe some api?

[limber knot]

Ah yes, prototyping in bootstrap

Well yeah, that'd make the backend the api

And later throwing a bit scss ontop

[worn ember]

well how would he know if he doesnt own the api lul

[limber knot]

Bulma > bootstrap, change my mind

[worn ember]

i never used scss in my life

[void void]

I wrote the backend in Java

Frontend is Nuxt

[worn ember]

vomit

[limber knot]

Spring boot?

What else would you use for a Backend?

Node? 😂

What DB you using?

.net? 😂😂😂

[worn ember]

php obviously 😉

[limber knot]

Golang masterrace

Oh god

The 2000s called

They want their crappy code back

[worn ember]

i wanted to try ASP.NET but yeah

cba to set it up

[limber knot]

G o l a n g

[worn ember]

and node...

[limber knot]

There is no point in not using spring

[worn ember]

well... its node

[limber knot]

Golang is a toy language

Suuure, I think I'd call node a toy language before I started throwing it at Go

[void void]

Backend just uses Javalin, no framework in use just a library.
MySQL is DB, pooled with Hikari and cached with Caffeine.

[worn ember]

hmm

ive never used connectionpools on a backend

then again, most of my db stuff is for personal use

[limber knot]

Spring is bas

Bae

[worn ember]

man flies are so annoying, they literally have a whole fucking room to fly around in, yet they need to come annoy me all the fucking time and end up dying

[limber knot]

I'm looking at Yugabyte for our large scale postgresql app deployments, it seems pretty interesting

[void void]

Why wouldn't you use a pool lol

[worn ember]

cuz its easier not to?

[void void]

WAT

[acoustic pilot]

I'm weary of anything that claims transactional support over a distributed network.

[worn ember]

its literally just a db call, no hassle, no libs

lol

[limber knot]

That's why I like spring

[worn ember]

also i dont think php has connection pool support

[limber knot]

You don't need to worry about connection pooling

[worn ember]

🤔

[limber knot]

It just works

[worn ember]

or it does it internally

[limber knot]

Byteflux: Yeah, I'm not just gonna throw it into prod, just one of the options I'm looking at, need to be able to scale crazy fast

[worn ember]

idk

[void void]

Yeah except when you're doing a fuck load of calls potentially at the same time, then the pool handles creating the connection from cached details, giving it, and closing it.

[acoustic pilot]

PHP doesn't use connection pooling because its lifecycle is only during a request

[limber knot]

Spring data transforms method calls into db calls no problem

[acoustic pilot]

PHP terminates after the request

[worn ember]

right

^so yeah since i use php most of the time

[void void]

/shrug

[limber knot]

I would die if I would have to use php

[worn ember]

its OOP is pretty neat tho

[void void]

My computer just damn near fucking died while I was on a Skype call

[limber knot]

Once you learn that there are better alternatives you never go back

[void void]

Mouse lag, audio lag, video lag, kb lag

[limber knot]

Php oop is like Cobol oop

Sure, it's there

[acoustic pilot]

Under the hood though, I wouldn't be surprised if the database extensions or PDO had some kind of pooling mechanic that survived between requests for mod_php or fpm

[limber knot]

That's about it

[worn ember]

lol i just found this in one of my php files xD

10/10

[vestal jasper]

haha xD

[limber knot]

A+ auth

[worn ember]

https://github.com/DarkEyeDragon/QuoteAPI/blob/master/includes/DBController.php one of my older projects

[limber knot]

Ah man, I need to go smash out some more github projects

Everything I do is closed source now :'(

[worn ember]

same

i havent commited anything in weeks

[limber knot]

I just never feel like programming after coming home

[worn ember]

same, i started work this week

and i literally fell asleep after coming home

[limber knot]

What're you doing if you mind sharing?

[worn ember]

order picking lol

its just a temp job to get some $$

[void void]

I made a conscious to not use a framework lol

(such as Spring)

I wanted to control all of it myself

[limber knot]

Ah fair, I'm currently in a DevOps role, although doing more sysadmin stuff rn

[void void]

so miss me with that "you never go back once you realize its better!!!1"

[worn ember]

What do you do as DevOps?

[vestal jasper]

ops devs

[worn ember]

idk what ops means

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber knot]

Mostly just make sure that our devs don't break production

[vestal jasper]

op but plural

[worn ember]

ah

[void void]

ops means operations

development operations

[worn ember]

how do you prevent people from breaking production tho?

[void void]

QA and policies

[worn ember]

beat them with a stick?

[limber knot]

Yeah, I'm at a small company so normally you'd have a sysadmin team and have devops as a go between for the devs, but I'm doing both sysadmin and devops

[worn ember]

whoever breaks production gets 50 whip lashes

[limber knot]

haha, I'll handle production deploys, rollback strategy, staging environment etc

[acoustic pilot]

@stiff yarrow So I've almost seen all the shows portrayed in Isekai Quartet. Gotta say Yojo Senki (Saga of Tanya the Evil) is awesome if you haven't seen it yet.

[worn ember]

weeb

[limber knot]

Once had a dev completely kill a staging server during a demo, they were throttling incoming data processing by just having a slow net connection, so once it was on a server with almost 5Gb of bandwidth the server just choked

Funnily enough, they were in the middle of a demo with the client when it just crashed

[worn ember]

lmao

its a feature

still better than in production

[limber knot]

Haha, it's the danger of inherently multithreaded languages

[grand pewter]

yo byteflux ill have to agree with you on that XD

[worn ember]

at work we use an app to process packages it works well when it does, but when it breaks you have no idea why

[limber knot]

Yeah, especially since production has autoscaling policies, so if a server hits high CPU another gets deployed

[grand pewter]

out of the 4 tanya is the most unique probably, threw me off a bit

[acoustic pilot]

I just started re:ZERO, they're all pretty unique and fun

[grand pewter]

i havent watched the quartet yet though... maybe i should start it

[acoustic pilot]

I haven't either

I was waiting until I seen them all

[grand pewter]

lol yeah i just watched re zero as well for that, cause i realized i had watched both of the other 2

[worn ember]

im just waiting for rick and morty s4 lul

[acoustic pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8K_VW7EyCM

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Youjo Senki - Tanya's Warning with Loli Voice - length 28s - 5,844 likes, 83 dislikes (98.6%) - 289,732 views - Arcwin Olivirus on 2017.02.06

[acoustic pilot]

probably one of the most hilarious moments of the show

[grand pewter]

oh yeah i loved that

they're just like "tf is this kid"

and then BAM

[acoustic pilot]

haha yeah

[worn ember]

wtf are those eyes

[grand pewter]

its the artstyle lol its jank

but you get used to it

[static badge]

is this weeb trash

in the paper channel

[grand pewter]

hey i didnt post it

[worn ember]

i dont want to get used to it, its disturbing lol

[grand pewter]

leaf make a weeb channel

then we can move there

[static badge]

I don't have those perms

[acoustic pilot]

Every show has its own art style, it's nice to see the varieties

[grand pewter]

then get them

[static badge]

@upper flicker go make a weeaboo channel for the filthy weebs to go hang out in

[acoustic pilot]

The premise of WW1 with magic, inflamed by a man trapped in a little girl's body is pretty good lol

[worn ember]

seems like a good setting for some hentai

[static badge]

[grand pewter]

[worn ember]

or some of your basic harem shit

xD

[acoustic pilot]

Saga of Tanya the Evil actually is one of the few animes of its kind out there with basically zero fan service right now.

[grand pewter]

i dont want to kinkshame but

[worn ember]

you're in no position to talk lol

[acoustic pilot]

Nothing on that show appears sexualized as far as I could tell

[grand pewter]

yeah no it was mostly just badassery

[worn ember]

i used to watch anime but it got so repetitive

[grand pewter]

wdym kernel

[worn ember]

i stopped watching it

[grand pewter]

i didnt say anything

[worn ember]

"i dont want to kinkshame but"

[grand pewter]

hehe

[worn ember]

if you want to kinkshame go watch bible black

[grand pewter]

i'll pass

[worn ember]

probably best xD

shits messed up

[grand pewter]

sounds like you have experience

[worn ember]

my friend told me to watch it lol

i noped the fuck out after 10 mins

[grand pewter]

ok

[worn ember]

any of you play rimworld?

[acoustic pilot]

Some times

Not lately

Fun game

[worn ember]

yeah

gets boring over time tho

[acoustic pilot]

Need to dress it up with mods

[worn ember]

i just got back into it after a long break

[acoustic pilot]

Otherwise yeah the base game will get boring

[worn ember]

shame really

cuz i love the game

it just lacks some debt sometimes

[acoustic pilot]

There are a lot of actively maintained good mods to enhance the game

[worn ember]

yeah

[merry zealot]

I did not know that .me was a ccTLD

I thought it was a gTLD

[worn ember]

https://darkeyedragon.me/ nope

[merry zealot]

.me is the ccTLD of montenegro

[limber knot]

yeah, 2 letter TLDs are reserved for country codes

[void void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGmMn8N9nkQ

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Trying to remember what you studied for during a test. - length 1m 29s - 78,041 likes, 201 dislikes (99.7%) - 1,034,988 views - CalebCity on 2017.04.11

[merry zealot]

guess I'll start a country then

[limber knot]

So stuff like gg and tv are all country codes, which I find hilarious

[worn ember]

US is communism

.us

the fuck is gg from?

[void void]

guernsey iirc

[worn ember]

it doesnt even have two g's lmao

[grand pewter]

gg

[worn ember]

wtf xD

[void void]

the country typically gets to choose whatever gTLD it wants

[merry zealot]

.ge was taken

for georgia

[worn ember]

what about .gu tho

[acoustic pilot]

.gu? .gy? .gn?

[merry zealot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains#G

[worn ember]

tld's are retarded

[acoustic pilot]

damn

[acoustic pilot]

they really had no choice lmao

[merry zealot]

nope

[grand pewter]

the funny thing is in europe you see a lot of top level country TLDs but in the us no one uses .us

[merry zealot]

they just had to repeat their first letter twice

[worn ember]

goverment instances i think?

oh wait nvm

thats .gov

[merry zealot]

ccTLDs are cheaper than gTLDs except for .us iirc

[acoustic pilot]

.gov is only for US government

.mil is only for US military

[worn ember]

yeah here its .eu i think

[limber knot]

Australia does gov.au

[static badge]

the us gave the leaf government leaf.gov

[worn ember]

liar

[grand pewter]

gottem

[worn ember]

-1 respecc

[acoustic pilot]

yeh all u other suckas gotta use .gov.au or .gov.uk or whatever lol

suckas

git gud

[merry zealot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains#E

[worn ember]

belgium just uses .be lul

[void void]

gob.mx life

[grand pewter]

us doesnt use .gov.us smh

[acoustic pilot]

https://usa.gov

[worn ember]

and some way too long names

[acoustic pilot]

we rule

bitches

[limber knot]

Random question, whereabouts do you guys run MC from on your linux boxes? I personally use /opt/paper/

[void void]

docker

so somewhere in /var/lib/docker

[acoustic pilot]

I use docker volumes

[limber knot]

Docker is just bloat for an mc server imo

[worn ember]

https://www.belgium.be

lmfao

[grand pewter]

lol i just run MC from my home folder

~/mc

[acoustic pilot]

Docker is not bloat for anything

[limber knot]

If the server is a dedicated host you might as well run it straight on the OS

[acoustic pilot]

Docker is used to run the tiniest services

[merry zealot]

rijksoverheid.nl

[worn ember]

Docker? more like Dicker

[merry zealot]

cocker

[void void]

i run like 12 servers, and use a panel for the other admins who are technotards

so docker helps

[merry zealot]

@worn ember did you really just miss that

docker = cocker

[limber knot]

Yeah, that use case makes sense

[worn ember]

i guess i did

lmfao

[acoustic pilot]

Docker has no CPU performance penalty vs bare metal, because it's containerization, although networking can suffer up to 10% which is trivial for the convenience afforded.

That's a worst case though

[limber knot]

I honestly find docker deployments more of a hassle than just running it straight on the server

[merry zealot]

pterodactyl uses docker, is that why the sftp is absolute garbage in ptero?

[acoustic pilot]

Seems the industry disagrees with you 😃

[merry zealot]

or is it just cause pterodactyl ftp is shit in general?

[acoustic pilot]

It's moving entirely to containerization

[worn ember]

ah yeah cuz the industry knows whats good...

[void void]

typically they do

[acoustic pilot]

All the key players are investing in containers right now

[worn ember]

uses 50 year old software we know whats best for you

[merry zealot]

dude my neck hurts

😦

[void void]

they use it because it's stable for critical deployments lol

you may be ok if it crashes once in a while

they are not

[limber knot]

I work with containers 80% of my time when I'm at work, for multiple services on a single host they're fantastic, which matches the microservice architecture of most modern webapps, if you throw in an SNI compatible load balancer it's fantastic since it allows for super easy host migrations and deployments

[grand pewter]

yeah imagine if one of the billion users crashed google search

[limber knot]

I was just talking for MC

[grand pewter]

and no one else could use it

😃

[worn ember]

not my fault they dont use try catch over their entire code

[grand pewter]

contrived example but yea

[merry zealot]

try catch my entire os

[acoustic pilot]

@peak dirge can chime in on large-scale Docker/k8s based Minecraft deployments and probably provide you with a good counter-argument.

As he maintains one, IIRC.

[merry zealot]

i'm gonna avoid BSODs by try/catching my entire OS

watch me

[worn ember]

i dont think that works on hardware lol

[acoustic pilot]

Docker doesn't have to be less convenient if you don't want it to be, but yes there is the initial entry barrier to setting things up, or getting access to logs, volumes etc

[merry zealot]

ssh it's okay

[limber knot]

I think as soon as you start maintaining more than 1 server on a host, or in general it is worth it, since you could use something like pterodactly or portainer to manage them, but just one server it's a bit overkill

[acoustic pilot]

These are all trivial concerns, though

[worn ember]

i can barely run one server on my host let alone more

[limber knot]

I'd consider them non trivial for simple applications, why raise the barrier for no added benefit?

[acoustic pilot]

Because I have tooling which eliminates the barrier

While affording me all the benefits of a containerized setup

Like I said, trivial concerns

Not at all hard to confront and deal with

[worn ember]

how do i get no table?

do i just burn all my tables?

[void void]

no, i did that and now i have no tables yet still not no table

[grand pewter]

it's for people who are notable

[void void]

yes, we know

we're joking

[vestal jasper]

My table was stolen yesterday

[grand pewter]

i'm just explaining it because some people probably dont know that

at least i was too thick skulled to get that till recently

[arctic cargo]

what is keepinventory permission with out gamerule

[merry talon]

typing while scrolled up: ptero sftp is garbage because its nodejs

[acoustic pilot]

I'm a bit weary of Ptero's SFTP too lol

[merry talon]

and you don't use docker by itself

you use Compose

though I haven't ever used its SFTP I just SFTP to the box lol

[acoustic pilot]

Its own SFTP is just so you can retain the correct permissions and such I think

And provided isolated access, ofc

I don't like that you can't choose between bind mount vs volumes with Ptero, though, it forces bind mounts which I prefer not to use

Overall Ptero leaves a bad taste in my mouth, esp when they have leadership saying crap like this: https://github.com/pterodactyl/panel/issues/1601#issuecomment-498030028

Their team is too rigid

[limber knot]

https://i.imgur.com/ucpjJ9p.png

man

these splashes are getting weirder

[acoustic pilot]

I don't think it ever occurred to them that you can simply decouple "memory quota" and "heap size" in the panel.

So that the quota and the heap size aren't the fucking same.

Then you don't have OOM

If users wanna set potentially memory expensive flags, they should be able to choose the heap size within their quota, or any value less than the quota, but it's currently tightly coupled lol

[merry talon]

yeah they do some dumb things

but it's the best we've got

paperd seems to be closing that gap though

[acoustic pilot]

PufferPanel has been rewriting their shit in Go for a long ass time now

[limber knot]

anyone else having trouble connecting to buycraft API?

[acoustic pilot]

Hoping maybe that'll be decent

[merry talon]

oh really

[acoustic pilot]

At least I think the kraken branch is their v2 rewrite: https://github.com/PufferPanel/PufferPanel/tree/kraken

[merry talon]

https://github.com/PufferPanel/pufferd seems to be active ish too

[acoustic pilot]

yeah, the master branch not so much

guess he's fed up with the PHP version lol

he's really active on the Go branch though

hoping something good comes from this, the PHP version didn't seem that bad itself

Puffer seems like a super lightweight panel which is nice

Fulfills all the basic requirements

[merry talon]

Its just a bit outdated in terms of capability

[acoustic pilot]

And is Docker-capable

Yeah

[limber knot]

Which one is the bad one?

pterodactyl?

[merry talon]

there is no "bad one"

[acoustic pilot]

Ptero is the most advanced, free one we have right now

It's not really "bad"

It has some bad aspects

[limber knot]

Well I'm sure there was one that had loads of open security issues that the author doesn't care about

[acoustic pilot]

I dunno, never heard of that o.o

[merry talon]

MCMA? lol

how's that doing

[acoustic pilot]

Y'know I'm surprised nobody has built a panel in XenForo yet

Prob would be a decent addon

[limber knot]

Oh that would be horrifying

[acoustic pilot]

Well people do like integration

So I imagine it'd be somewhat popular

[merry talon]

I feel like a WHMCS one would be more so

the bigger audience is providers

[acoustic pilot]

Ptero already integrates with WHMCS I think

Or there's some kind of thing for it

[merry talon]

yeah there's a module

but it's still seperate

[acoustic pilot]

But yeah the demand there was clearly more popular

But this would be more for server owners who just wanna manage their servers from their website which is often XenForo

At the moment I don't think you can do external authentication in Ptero

[merry talon]

nope

[acoustic pilot]

Never got pulled lol https://github.com/pterodactyl/panel/pull/1488

[merry talon]

lol he put a lot of work into that

I've been having some weird stuff like ptero not liking named docker services as hostnames

have to use static ips

I dont care enough to install it somewhere else and try to reproduce it and then formulate a bug report

but its irritating

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah that's another thing I didn't like, pretty much stuck with using IPs

[limber knot]

yeah, they have maintenance

[dusky chasm]

tebex is offline

[coarse sinew]

Working for me 🤔

http://status.tebex.io/

they have something going on

[limber knot]

lol tebex

At least their analytics is still workign!

[void void]

wow worldpainter still gets updated

[void void]

Did Mojang tell the truth and actually fix CPU usage

need someone to confirm 1.14.4

[static badge]

not in all cases

later today I'm making a PR to fix it

[void void]

fak

Thanks

[worn ember]

whats still not fixed then?

[limber knot]

Using Block.setBlockData to change block type, and it's popping off attached blocks (button). Can I stop this? (setting applyPhysics to false still pops them off)

[worn ember]

is it facing the right direction?

https://youtu.be/kie4wjB1MCw

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Virtual Characters Learn To Work Out…and Undergo Surgery - length 2m 45s - 7,305 likes, 55 dislikes (99.3%) - 119,972 views - Two Minute Papers on 2019.07.16

[hot gorge]

I don't understand the purpose of that bot posting all that stuff when someone pastes a YouTube link

[worn ember]

its for IRC

the shitty 9%

[wide chasm]

The 9% that will survive if Discord ever dies.

[merry talon]

someone just needs to have the bridge filter it out lol

[worn ember]

get to work

[merry talon]

I'm on a damn chromebook

[acoustic pilot]

who votes sweepy should PR it to bridge bot

[merry talon]

otherwise I would

[worn ember]

idk anything about discord bots

[wide chasm]

idk anything about discord bots

[acoustic pilot]

vscode in browser or something lol

[worn ember]

lmao

[merry talon]

I got fed up trying to replicate my home setup

because I didnt think to upload it beforehand

also its kotlin lul

[worn ember]

big yikes

so i killed a fly, threw it outside and it came blowing back in :)))

my life is full of amazing events

peak of human existance

[acoustic pilot]

murderer

[worn ember]

its its own fault

[acoustic pilot]

ur goin 2 fly hell

[worn ember]

i told it to fuck off or be killed

it kept buzzing around my head

i only kill things that piss me off

so my backyard is a graveyard

since pretty much everything pisses me off lmao

[void void]

ima get fullbright hax and no1 can stop me

[acoustic pilot]

oh noes

all those fully lit caves

you'll be unstoppable

[merry talon]

wow you can just https://github.com/pulls?utf8=✓&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr

do that

[void void]

i cant download build 135 can not locate file ont he website

[worn ember]

ctrl+f5 @void void

its something with cache

[void void]

worked

[worn ember]

👍

[merry talon]

wtf https://github.com/jasonparser/WordPress/pull/1

[merry talon]

github really doesn't like you looking around a PR with 3200 comments

do it with a query

purge is baaad

[coarse marten]

Hello, What is a Maven <version> of Paper in 1.14.3 ?

[void void]

is there a optifine for 1.14.4 yet as the 135 is 1.14.4 that was fast btw XD

[charred hound]

nope but wouldn't be surprised if we see a preview for it soon

[merry zealot]

another hour of my life wasted

[spiral garden]

@merry talon have you heard of coder do--- oh wait they became enterprise

[merry talon]

thats just code-server

but enterprise

[spiral garden]

they had a web IDE thingy at some point

but scrapped it in favor of code-server

[merry talon]

its literally vs code

oh they had another one

[spiral garden]

yeah it wasn't vscode at that point

but some custom ide thing with shell access to a private container

[merry talon]

Oh you reminded me of why I gave up on that

It was too much of a pain to get all my stuff installed on the image

[limber knot]

top 5 java password handling libs?

[merry talon]

oh-my-zsh, my configs, gpg, etc

[limber knot]

for hashing and shit

[merry talon]

https://github.com/kosprov/jargon2-api

[void void]

there is some issues regarding 135 it laggs when walking and not to smooth atm might be some buggs the world im using is from build 1.14.3 paper becuse its a multiplayer server

or was there any major changes so it needs a reset

[golden gust]

You probs gave it to bungee first

[worn ember]

if it breaks, just delet it

yayo

[dreamy marten]

This link is showing a 404
{"error":{"code":404,"message":"Could not locate build"}}

[pulsar wigeon]

https://i.imgur.com/YrHqXCm.png

[worn ember]

https://live.tomorrowland.com/ :))

[tranquil bone]

Is the error "exception ticking world" worth reporting to paper?

[golden gust]

how 2 vague 101

[tranquil bone]

fine

Is this worth reporting? https://hastebin.com/iziwukiwab.rb

Noticed that many others have this issue sometimes

If it is I'll do some digging and come up with a report or something like that

Version 134

[golden gust]

my code doesn't line up apparently

[tranquil bone]

Time: 7/20/19 3:27 PM so that would be the latest build

[golden gust]

and yea, looking at it that crash shouldn't be possible in vanilla

Well, in the server

[tranquil bone]

are you able to give me a dumbed down version on why not?

[golden gust]

Because you're apparently ticking entities, which means that all entity additions should be queued, meaning that we shouldn't ever add to that queue mid-entity tick

[tranquil bone]

Citizens?

That made no sense, nvm

[golden gust]

hmph, let me checkout the latest build, wonder if anything has changed around there, but that shouldn't be possible to occur unless there is some issues around chunk loading

[tranquil bone]

Thanks for being a great help

Is the crash report the only thing you need?

[golden gust]

Please don't tell me that mojang introduced a chunk load risk there

[wide hazel]

would be hilarious

"hilarious"

[golden gust]

That's one of those things which will need a deeper look, I don't think vanilla should be tripping that one, but looking closer without going too crazy into ripping stuff apart, I could potentially see risks from a chunk loading breaking that

[wide hazel]

async.. ?

Spotted was screwing with queues and caching earlier

I blame the leaf 😛

[golden gust]

leafs stuff is going to be irrelevant here

[wide hazel]

so different queues then. lol

[golden gust]

Bamboo seems to also be a common hitter around things ticking that causes that one

[wide hazel]

weird, it's basically just sugar cane