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#general
austere ivy
Finish the verse and I'll give the person who guessed the song the prize.
Barty are you trying to doxx me?
void void
no
fallen oracle
Lol I just compiled and I'm apparently already behind
static badge
told ya he might force push
fallen oracle
Yup
Now I gotta update the nms page again
I'll wait a bit in case he does that.
Is there a place to see what he changed in each version?
I was looking around in the stash
fallen oracle
Ahh
static badge
and then soft reset to latest
and git diff
when paper updates
so nag the retard doing it
fallen oracle
Okay lit, on latest ver now
static badge
doesn't like the r word confirmed
fallen oracle
Whelp, chunks are loading, so that's good.
I figured out that chunks still exist in .4 at least.
I think they are faking the tps. It's staying at 20.
pulsar wigeon
yes
fallen oracle
Since when did they have their own region files?
pulsar wigeon
since they were introduced
vague needle
fallen oracle
Alrighty then
pulsar wigeon
i.e. 1.14
fallen oracle
Ahh
Pretty sketch. I just did some WorldBorder generation and didn't drop below 20 TPS.
Heh, there we go, I broke that lil fucker.
limber knotBOT
tps counter broke
ancient bolt
love this rust syntax
!check_eula(&env)?
! on one side, ? on the other
perfect harmony
true canyon
Needs to be:
β½check_eula(&env)β½
woven otter
burn wiz's town
ancient bolt
mbaxter it sounds like you'd really love APL
ancient bolt
it's quite nice
but im probably biased
I write a lot of go now
and I wish to fucking god
that that language had literally any syntax at all for handing errors
merry talon
ancient bolt
instead 80% of your code becomes error handling
if err != nil {}
over and over and over and over and over and over
merry talon
"but it's better because it encourages better handling by not throwing it up in the call stack!"
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
true canyon
@carmine hinge Surely this is the place to ask that question about catch-up
merry talon
Twitter
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) @garybernhardt (Gary Bernhardt): "Computers will definitely write code on their own soon!" I tell myself as my password manager repeatedly inserts m⦠https://t.co/9caOsJGFSf (5 months and 7 days ago)
crisp glacier
cosmic pollen
rancid urchin
Whats a good worldborder fill frequency for a server with 0 players on?
vague needle
1x1
cunning raft
rancid urchin
/wb [worldname] fill [freq] [pad] [force]
fallen oracle
1200
vague needle
Oh, I was only joking, I didn't understand π myb
rancid urchin
Lol, @fallen oracle would that load it properly? with 0 players on?
fallen oracle
Yeah
rancid urchin
1.14.4 is on paper?
void void
they are working on it it will be out when its out
ancient bolt
If any reputable server admins want to give paperd a test f or me I'd appreciate it
austere ivy
rancid urchin
Ik that @void void I just said that cuz barty said on 1.14.4 so i was confused
upper flicker
they did say improved, not fixed
austere ivy
I'm confused. Is this performance optimizations to the rendering of leaf, OR is it performance optimizations to leaf's rendering algorithm?
upper flicker
theyve pretty much admitted its all gonna wait to 1.15
fallen oracle
Demon, does it work on WSL?
rancid urchin
so 1.14 is basically windows vista but minecraft versions
ancient bolt
won't know until someone tries
austere ivy
Hey barty, do that /ontime tehbrian again ;)
ancient bolt
it's built specifically for linux, but I would imagine it might work in WSL2 where it's just a VM
austere ivy
Oki
cunning raft
I can test when paper pulls from upstream
fallen oracle
I can boot up a linux VM and test it if you'd like.
rancid urchin
They handle like advertisment for java
austere ivy
Probably gives them deadlines I bet, you're probably right.
rancid urchin
so they really wanted 1.14 pumped out
thats why most of it is unfinished
cuz iTs BeEn a YeAr
ancient bolt
don't really care to sell this to you, if you don't want to use it then cool. but @fallen oracle I would appreciate the test
give me a second and I'll get the latest builds to you
idk how to explain it better than the readme
running MC like an actual linux daemon
cunning raft
DemonWav, how does paperd handle server shutdowns, does it reboot?
austere ivy
"I've been quite hard criticizing Mojang lately for lack of focus on quality and performance. This statement is a huge relief. Looking forward to 1.15!"
Don't speak too soon, lol.
That's a funny interaction. The guy who mistook the post was the same guy earlier.
No I just think it's funny lol.
static badge
they did fix one instance for chunk loading
ancient bolt
@cunning raft I don't understand the question
austere ivy
Which one's that, Leaf?
static badge
since they did some bullshit getEntities call for pathfinding targets
rancid urchin
Hey is like CPU performance slightly better in 1.14.4 for servers?
ancient bolt
paperd has a restart command
static badge
and it loaded neighbours
cunning raft
Oh it does
ancient bolt
and a stop command
merry talon
Well I dont see why it woudnt work in v1
ancient bolt
and the in-game restart command uses paperd rather than any restart script
merry talon
It wraps all the syscalls
cunning raft
ah nice
austere ivy
merry talon
oh
upper flicker
itd probably work in v1
cunning raft
Out of curiosity @ancient bolt will paperd get waterfall support?
upper flicker
better hope it does because v2 isnt coming until this time next year
ancient bolt
not likely, waterfall is kind of hospice care until people can move over to velocity anyways
merry talon
I dont think this is too hacky of a thing though, should work
ancient bolt
but the framework can be easily ported over to waterfall if someone wants to do that
peak dirge
I want to get more people to use Velocity. Gotta figure out some ways to promote it, get more developers on board, ...
cunning raft
don't want to reboot my servers more than needed
errant epoch
fallen oracle
Is velocity supposed to be a bungeecord replacement?
ancient bolt
@peak dirge if I pulled the paperd framework part of Paper out as a library so you could use it in velocity is that something you'd have any desire in using or doing?
pulsar wigeon
i think i accidentally connected to my 1.14.3 server with a 1.14.4 client>???
ancient bolt
would be easier than copy/pasting that code from paper if you want to use it
ancient bolt
paperd would just have to be forked
peak dirge
I don't have a problem with someone making a velocityd and integrating the support into a future minor release of Velocity
ancient bolt
I suppose I could do that and say I've contributed to velocity
fallen oracle
ACF has velocity support, right?
peak dirge
Yes
fallen oracle
Alright cool. I got a new plugin coming out soon that's proxy-based. Might have to look into Velocity support.
austere ivy
Velocity, different API than Waterfall?
peak dirge
Correct
austere ivy
I'll take a peeksie into it.
fallen oracle
But still has the base API?
static badge
is demon boy a velocity dev?
fallen oracle
Is still has the basic bungee api?
peak dirge
It's got what you'd expect
calm palm
austere ivy
I have no idea about the Minecraft protocol and I'm not keen on touching it haha.
peak dirge
@austere ivy That's only if you want to contribute to Velocity.
austere ivy
Oh okay.
wooden blade
Protocol - whether in a given situation you should say "Beep boop", "Boop bop" or "Have you seen my chunks?"
twilit ingot
peak dirge
Still need to work on that downloads API, but time has been in short supply.
austere ivy
"Endianness" seems like a cool word.
void void
static badge
little endian is god tier
thick rose
So, paper's latest version I'm guessing is bleeding edge? Is it worth using it?
static badge
don't insult it π
thick rose
Or waiting until further updates
peak dirge
Just stating facts
wooden blade
Endian, we're all bits
austere ivy
Storing things in memory in the order that it is read (left to right) makes more sense in my opinion.
but I don't think I'm qualified to argue with folks who think otherwise.
static badge
tbh it makes downcasting integer values when reading from memory easier
marsh charm
oh hey spigot's .4 release is out
static badge
we know
wooden blade
You like big Endianess and you cannot lie?
marsh charm
that was quick
sick brook
wooden blade
Probably with how the information is moved through the system
Used to pack flags into a byte
probably still done
ivory forge
static badge
you cannot send a bit around anywhere on current hardware
austere ivy
That's what I thought.
ancient bolt
a single boolean can take up 64 bites on typical 64bit machine
austere ivy
Oh.
ancient bolt
since classes are word aligned in memory
austere ivy
Isn't that kind of inefficient?
void void
does java have something similar to C++'s bitset
ancient bolt
memory is cheap, it's significantly more efficient
austere ivy
Ah okay.
void void
how about the BitSet class
ancient bolt
but that means with a class if you have 5 booleans you're likely using the same amount of memory as 1 boolean
ancient bolt
since it's just padding mostly
bright ermine
[20:42:50 ERROR]: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.String cannot be cast to java.lang.Boolean
[20:42:50 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.YamlConfig.getServers(YamlConfig.java:228)
[20:42:50 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.Configuration.load(Configuration.java:107)
[20:42:50 ERROR]: at io.github.waterfallmc.waterfall.conf.WaterfallConfiguration.load(WaterfallConfiguration.java:60)
[20:42:50 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:274)
[20:42:50 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:64)
[20:42:50 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15)```What does this mean?
bright ermine
lol
cunning raft
actually in #waterfall-help
austere ivy
is Minecraft Classic still played?
wooden blade
that's generally the format of lists in yaml
You could try feeding your config into a yaml linter/validator
icy nest
iron gale
spice mulch
cobalt hawk
jolly tundra
sick brook
Im on 1.14.3, paper #134
got a live server and a dev server ready to upgrade
willing to help test
bold snow
west ridge
Thank you all for the amazing work on Paper, for without it this wouldn't have been possible β€
limber knotBOT
ok I need help figuring this one out
I want to run a #getChunk on chunk load
but seemingly that's thread unsafe
is there a workaround? am I failing to see something?
I just need to know if the chunk getting loaded is the right one to populate with my npcs
flat bronze
calm palm
flat bronze
Howdy all. Love ya software, you are all good peeps
I'm a server admin who uses paper so i figured I'd keep up to date
reef abyss
true canyon
Fancy idea @flat bronze
limber knotBOT
turns out it was an old paper bug, disregard it
pulsar heath
west reef
true canyon
Disregarding!
carmine rapids
west reef
lol hey techy
hardy anvil
safe ore
eternal hemlock
merry talon
how do I turn off force push notifications from github 
west ridge
Heya all, my friend was falsely banned from Hypixel for hacking and her appeal was rejected. Any good alternatives that have bedwars and/or bridge duels?
lyric ice
true canyon
@merry talon Stop force pushing? π
brisk flicker
merry talon
Then everyone gets to see how often I forget things
true canyon
Thaaaat's aggressive.
acoustic pilot
retard recognizes retard
acoustic pilot
i know
static badge
which means ur retarded by that logic
acoustic pilot
we're all retarded
static badge
yeah ur all retarded
acoustic pilot
this is retards only discord
vestal jasper
.leaf
limber knotBOT
thick rose
Despite the fact KeepInventory is set to false, with MV disabled, I do not lose my items upon death.
Anyone have any ideas on what could cause that kind of thing?
Yes
What do you mean?
true canyon
Op gives you all permissions except those the plugin author explicitly defines as not being granted to Op.
Important distinction for some plugins π
ancient bolt
why does minecraft have op
thick rose
Ah, I didn't think of that, thanks, but now I need to find what plugin would do that.
thick rose
To be fair, another user without OP told me they had the same effect and I just confirmed that wasn't true, grumble grumble.
ancient bolt
literally all performance issues would be solved
thick rose
I agree, why are we using MC or Discord or even Windows?
IRC would solve everything
including the housing crisis.
limber knotBOT
minecraft has different op levels
thick rose
Anyone have any idea what plugin could do this though? I wouldn't have installed anything knowing that would be the effect.
hard talon
true canyon
@spare venture Don't hate permissions.yml
thick rose
I'm oldschool, i'm still with GroupManager, but apparently LuckyPermissions or whatever is a thing now
What do you use?
true canyon
Oh god.
thick rose
permissions.yml
merry talon
in one server I had my discord roles as IRC ones
there was significant REEing about it
true canyon
@thick rose GM was a bad plugin before it died in 2014. Please use LuckPerms for your own sanity. It even has its own web gui functionality for easy control.
Masochism, barty
merry talon
begger
thick rose
I used groupmanager before it died, then I moved to PEX, PEX was broken and caused issues with some plugins, so I eventually went back to groupmanager. Simply because I know it works.
I'm not saying it isn't a pain in the ass to setup.
true canyon
PEX was a bad plugin before it died in 2017. Good lord.
empty spear
I use Zperms.. I was told to use Luckperms but I absolutely hate luckperms lol
grand pewter
i did that same thing as you @thick rose but i found my way to luckperms which works wonderfully so far
thick rose
When I last used plugins like this, it was 2013-2015.
true canyon
It's like watching someone talk about how they're not a fan of alcoholic beverages because all they've had is bud light and miller light and they keep switching back and forth.
MHhbl
I still have the goo.gl url memorized ...
My big list of all the horrible issues with PEX in 2013.
grand pewter
lol
shell vine
i still use pex
true canyon
The number of times I had to link someone to that document because PEX broke my plugin...
empty spear
I liked the simple pex or group manager type tbh luckperms didnt seem very easy to use imo
shell vine
true canyon
@empty spear What part of the web editor is not very easy to use to you?
grand pewter
the web editor is god
true canyon
It's like, user, permission. Or group, permission ._.
If you can't figure that out, how did you figure out joining this discord server.
grand pewter
also i switched mine to use yaml still instead of the DB just because i wanted it to feel a little more like my old plugin
empty spear
I have autism so not all is easy to use depends what it is :p
Sometimes it's just hard to get my head around things coz I was more familiar with the pex plugin so learning something new was a pain for me
grand pewter
is it that you want to edit the file by hand?
cause luckperms has an easy setting for doing that if you love to edit yaml
empty spear
I do prefer yaml yeah
grand pewter
then set it to yaml
empty spear
But I got a perms plugin now anyways
grand pewter
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
empty spear
Lol
true canyon
Bukkit plugins need more HOCON
upper flicker
Looks more suited to an internal data representation than user facing configuration
Guess you could explain to users what structs are and shit but meeeh
ancient bolt
bukkit needs more rust in general
true canyon
The entire Bukkit API is very rusty
ancient bolt
like this bukkit program I wrote entirely in rust https://github.com/DemonWav/signz-rust
fallen oracle
wat
upper flicker
Native, C-based Bukkit plugin API. Please don't actually use this
What else could you want
The best projects tell you not to use them
static badge
one written in x86-64 assembly?
ancient bolt
pretty doable using wat
upper flicker
Something something MIPS take over
ancient bolt
actually, I should do that
grand pewter
migrating to C might be the worst idea ever; imagine all of the plugin developer related memory leaks
ancient bolt
I love the size of the Windows part of wat's readme
it's such a trash dev environment
upper flicker
Imagine all the chat clearer plugins in C
limber knotBOT
No memory leaks in Rust ;)
Well, you can still have Rc/Arc cycles which would be a leak
ancient bolt
"This isn't what the documentation for FindJNI says or how it should behave, but that is what it does on Windows."
limber knotBOT
But the whole point of it is to get the safety of GC without the cost of GC so it keeps track of when you stop using something and frees the memory
TIL FreeMarker
Also I'm going to make node bindings for wat so you can make plugins in JavaScript in the least efficient way possible
limber knotBOT
Sure why not, I'll whip up some cython for python bindings too :P
ancient bolt
almost none of bukkit's API is actually implemented, since it's so much work for literally no gain, actually possibly even negative gain
limber knotBOT
Although I think the preferred way to do such a thing these days is to use cffi from within Python so your bindings work with any implementation that implements that module
ancient bolt
but I've considered changing the generator to instead generate C code directly from the bukkit interfaces, so when you call wat functions it's all just one giant JNI wrapper
but I 1. haven't come up with a feasible way to do that and 2. haven't had the energy to care to come up with that
limber knotBOT
Although really I should use your rust bindings and then use https://github.com/PyO3/pyo3 and https://github.com/neon-bindings/neon
valid turret
ancient bolt
then join them https://github.com/chrisdickinson/node-python
grand pewter
wait so how does WAT even work, i just saw that
ancient bolt
with some reall bullshit
grand pewter
it calls C from java?
fallen oracle
wat
static badge
JNI boys
ancient bolt
it lets you implement your bukkit plugin in any language that has a C FFI
grand pewter
ok so its doable but i'm guessing very messy when you get into the gritty parts of it?
limber knotBOT
It's awful
ancient bolt
it's worse than you can imagine
it generates translation code for moving data back and forth between java and C
limber knotBOT
JNI is horrid to work with and usually you're using it to consume some C library, not to pretend your Java app is a C library
ancient bolt
and that translation code is ridiculous to say the least
but the generator is pretty cool tbh
if fairly limited
I think I have an example generated file in my gists somewhere
enjoy
grand pewter
entity is a pretty thicc struct
marsh charm
so in our server that just started, we have some people who made massive cow farms with hundreds of cows, are there plugins/approaches to help reduce server lag from that?
grand pewter
im not sure if i like or hate that icon
red halo
this is prob because statuses will get enabled soon
grand pewter
wait demonwav why does that repo say its written 96% in C when the only files in there are rust files
oh wait nvm theres a .h lol
marsh charm
are there paper/spigot things to help with limiting mobs or do I need plugins
ruby rune
You can change how often mobs spawn and stuff like that in the different configs
.optimize
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimizationβ‘.283181/
marsh charm
well the issue here is people with mob farms with 500+ cows
or uh, just manually fed to have 500+ cows
limber knotBOT
[VADemon] this issue is solved by plugins or mob clamp damage
ruby rune
^
marsh charm
any plugins you recommend?
rustic creek
marsh charm
trying to look around for something
unique sapphire
void void
fresh shore
analog bobcat
fallen oracle
Lit.
limber knotBOT
[VADemon] @gabby: maxEntityCramming is a gamerule not a paper/spigot option
[VADemon] but there gotta be plugins that allow to set per-chunk limits
pure hare
void void
ClearLagg has chunk entity limiting
pseudo island
Paper 1.14.14 when 
10 away now bois
carmine hinge
I heard paper 1.14 is semi stable ish now
@pseudo island I love your profile picture and name
carmine hinge
Is it stable enough for a large ish server though?
carmine hinge
My server's a relatively large movecraft type server
potent halo
I heard that new ice was dope
carmine hinge
As in relative to other movecraft servers
So it involves a lot of chunk loading
Considering that 1.14's biggest problem is chunk loading.... π
I'm still on 1.12.2
potent halo
they're doing what they can, its under way dont lose hope π
carmine hinge
People really want the new building materials for ships
And also new players can't join easily
Probably would've got a lot more new players over the past year otherwise...
Via version doesn't work well with ships so I don't have it
serene field
carmine hinge
People crash a lot with it
potent halo
New players can join easily. Back in my day you had to still own the old jar file to downgrade 
now its all builtin the client
carmine hinge
Yeah but it's effort
And my player retention is bad enough
It's a complicated server lol
potent halo
Complaining here won't speed up anything
carmine hinge
Ik I'm just saying why I want to upgrade lol
fallen oracle
60 seconds until .4 drops 
potent halo
left swift
fallen oracle
@upper flicker you big troll. The download button don't work
charred ice
cosmic raft
little vine
Paper team thanks for your hard work on 1.14 you guys are incredible
void void
how rare are the wandering traders?
limber knotBOT
[VADemon] when is the paycheck coming from microsoft?
[VADemon] ... ahahah never. bukkit team was bought already
void void
1 spawns every 20 minutes according to wiki
merry talon
job simulator doesn't count as work kash
void void
with some low chance of succmess
merry talon
not at all in my experience
they're a good source of leads
since the trades are always shit
void void
ya they have dyes wtf
fuckin yay
new catalina update fixed the jetbrains provided jdk issue
\o/
merry talon
do they provide a recent one at least
void void
1.8.0_202-b53
merry talon
good enough I guess
void void
thats just to boot the ide though and what the ide itself runs on
last version it wouldn't work, had to change to my own jdk. but now it works and no more weird IDE issues\o/
upper flicker
mfw mbaxter is shilling paper in the admincraft announcements
void void
link
upper flicker
upper flicker
he made a normal post in the subreddit
I was referring to the discord guild though
true canyon
That server's the /r/admincraft discord which is a great place to be
I can also shill discord guilds
static badge
still concrete's 
merry talon
that subreddit seems to separated from the rest of the community as a whole
I know a lot of names from here, spigot, other servers
but no one on there
static badge
there's intelli
void void
ive never taken part in it tbh
true canyon
If you're comparing the people with a colored role and sidebar spot here to the folks there you're in for confusion because anyone that clicks a button gets added there π
If you mean the actual subreddit, there's a lot of folks from these communities that post there. I have several of them tagged in RES so I can poke them in random other posts on reddit
raven iron
stiff sun
merry talon
I'm not in the discord
true canyon
Wow! Look, mom! A use of the word 'normie' in the wild!
static badge
ur a normie
merry talon
I dont have a better way to describe it
upper flicker
look at mbax, he climbed right into his cat carrier like a good boi
merry talon
every time I've gone there I go 'wow these people are out of touch'
true canyon
It is comfy in here.
@merry talon We're not out of touch over on the discord server! π¦
merry talon
I think that can be said about reddit as a whole though
potent halo
@true canyon
merry talon
I see people suggesting godaddy and such when people are looking for somewhere to host their images
like, the majority of them
so it just be like that
upper flicker
what did they do now
wide hazel
general in Paper
upper flicker
desert hound
wide hazel
and now apt install maven
merry talon
apt is so 2015
wide hazel
uhh?
peak dirge
real men ./configure && make && make install
merry talon
running things in one off docker containers is unironically cool
I do that with some stuff
merry talon
that'll give you an old version
unless they have their own repo
but iirc maven is just distributed as tarball lol
upper flicker
yeah its not really all that out of date
and its maven so it could be 5 major versions out of date and work fine
certainly wouldnt add a PPA for maven
merry talon
for maven its probably fine
just for other things it's not so I try to do it all the same way
upper flicker
merry talon
you might be running ugly code 
true canyon
@peak dirge Your post suggests that it won't work for all plugins. Do you have an example of what won't happily run on OpenJ9?
true canyon
Obfuscated to the point of relying on JVM bugs that make the code work though it shouldn't?
peak dirge
@true canyon weird plugins that rely on HotSpot-specific APIs, which are thankfully very rare
true canyon
Not sure I've ever seen that.
peak dirge
I've seen at least two, so they exist.
potent halo
ok stupid question, do i download java jdk 12 or 8 
peak dirge
One of them relied on it as a performance optimization, and if it didn't find the API, your server was going to be in deep doo-doo as it would constantly create throwables, which isn't a very fast operation.
You should grab 8, it's the most stable/well-supported
potent halo
thanks
true canyon
That sounds.... fun, tux
peak dirge
Said plugin is very popular. It was HolographicDisplays. Thankfully, they now support the standard Java 9+ StackWalker API.
So now the performance isn't hideous. (In fact, I think Oracle making internal HotSpot APIs hard to get to and providing well-documented replacements really did help a lot.)
The other case I've found are things that create heap dumps, but you're better served with YourKit or similar anyway, so it's not that big of a deal. But if you can't afford YourKit, then you might benefit from having the server be able to take a heap dump at any time so you can plop it into the only tool I know that processes OpenJ9 heap dumps... Eclipse Memory Analyzer (eww!)
devout flame
peak dirge
That being said, I don't think any obfuscators exist that rely specifically on the behavior of HotSpot, otherwise they would probably break the JLS.
And HotSpot could fix the bug later, which would break everything that was obfuscated.
placid thicket
So tell me about 135, any forest fires yet?
placid thicket
Not making that mistake again no thanks
wide hazel
try it on a local instance with a backup
take backup, plop it into a folder, run on your local PC
test there
two bird with one stone, you also get to test your backups
iunno how long it's been since I said it last, so periodic reminder to test your backups
wide hazel
lol
placid thicket
Lol, also made that mistake before
wide hazel
should have an announcement that goes up every month or two for a reminder ot test backups π
placid thicket
Something something molex to SATA something something
wide hazel
hahaha
true canyon
Make sure to at-everyone with the backup reminder
placid thicket
Srys tho set a drive on fire in my server that way once
wide hazel
lol
true canyon
Uh
wide hazel
nah, I'm sure it's fine
true canyon
I've seen a server update set the world map on fire, but not a hard drive
placid thicket
Well ran enough to copy data off with a new molex connecter before failing completely just after
merry talon
and possibly your home
placid thicket
But yeah, actual flame from a HDD and still ran for 2 days!
wide hazel
@true canyon there's a story there somewhere
placid thicket
Talk about reliability
merry talon
Flames make drives run faster
placid thicket
On a side note my new ssd is sitting happy in its slightly singed drive bay
true canyon
@wide hazel I don't remember the cause, but... fire. Everywhere. Fixed before public release.
wide hazel
heh
wide hazel
I HAVE to make this a patch now
upper flicker
air is not well handled as a flammable block
placid thicket
You know how many people I had to tell were fucked because they loaded in 13/14 decided they didn't like it and went back to 12 with no backups? Forum is full of them every update
Or loading their prised 2010 worlds in snapshots and horrifically permanently breaking them?
true canyon
lol
upper flicker
backup to m2 ssds
put m2 cards in balls
give balls to cats
cats bat them around
bam, offsite backups
true canyon
via reddit "Plugin support isn't really there when it comes to 1.14 in the first place." - Dear lord how many plugin authors are doing stupid shit to break on 1.14
merry talon
No bad actor will ever find a cat's secret stash
placid thicket
My pillow is oozing slime >.> It's almost like a mucus.... Time for a new pillow I think
merry talon
I dont think pillows are supposed to do that
wide hazel
lol
true canyon
Fix it by moving UnsafeUtils into a new utilities package and leaving the others where they are.
placid thicket
Really don't think so either... But it's doing it. It's a duck feather pillow
upper flicker
leaves arent people 
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are you talking for using it in paper or plugin
wide hazel
we need more util packages
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i use it in paper
merry talon
duck feather or duck down
placid thicket
Duck down I think
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eh
wide hazel
now that I've learned that apparently doing ./paper p and ./paper m on WSL doesn't work for IDEA on Windows
good to know
should add that to contributing
upper flicker
ugh
merry talon
you should send your pillow in to the SCP foundation
upper flicker
shouldve listened when they asked if we could drop windows
wide hazel
haha
placid thicket
My beardie just murdered a fly right out of the air >.>
merry talon
just do it on some VPS then
wide hazel
also happens to be, by far, my most powerful machine, so I do a lot of dev on it too
upper flicker
I mean when I did paper dev on windows I just had a fedora VM
placid thicket
The pillow is really good at hurting people in pillow fights, very heavy. I'm sad to get rid of it
upper flicker
you can get it pretty seamless if you have to use it every day
wide hazel
when I put 64GB of RAM in here I'll just run a second desktop as a VM
should be next week sometime
upper flicker
you werent even in the tree yet when this happened
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WEREN'T IN THE TREE
merry talon
you are an odd specimen, when thinking about pillows I dont usually consider how much potential for bodily injury they may have
placid thicket
Why else would I keep a pillow full of mucus?
merry talon
The same reason people like water beds
placid thicket
Bodily harm is the express reason I have this pillow
wide hazel
@upper flicker have you ever done a project-wide search for "TODO" in Paper?
I have
π¦
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placid thicket
Sounds like the collosal depress egg
merry talon
// TODO something with this
merry talon
even better
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in the redstone?
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ik why they're there
wide hazel
tell me in there π
wide hazel
ahh
potent halo
when you are staring at your screen why its not working and you typed "java -jar BuiltTools.jar" instead of "java -jar BuildTools.jar"
void void
placid thicket
Built tools makes me think of a super buff compiler
placid thicket
I have hacked their firewalls and disabled their algorithms
potent halo
their cameras are ours
placid thicket
pulls out second keyboard
potent halo
honestly this thing could be hacking my pc and i wouldn't know cause im not looking at it 
placid thicket
This just hurts
https://youtu.be/msX4oAXpvUE
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potent halo
ENHANCE
seriously I cant see ANY case where 2 people on the same keyboard is any useful except on Tyrian 2000 at 2 player, and even that i'd put one on mouse
merry talon
why are you in here and running BT
placid thicket
Also a good question
placid thicket
Honestly protocol hacks cause more trouble than they are worth...
potent halo
what should i be running π€
sick brook
Backwards compatibility has been essential with forge having shit mod support
for what zach
potent halo
instead of BT
ornate spindle
paperclip
potent halo
I'm making a plugin
placid thicket
Can't tell you how many people complained about items and whatnot not working as expected because of protocol hacks and missmatched versions
void void
You should be using a build system like Maven or Gradle, @potent halo
then you just reference the spigot repo and declare a dependency on the API
void void
https://github.com/simpleauthority/detective/blob/master/build.gradle#L17
that line and line 39
different for maven, but that is the repo and dependency
sick brook
i like maven. dont quite understand how gradle works yet since never needed to
void void
ezpz
placid thicket
Just stepped on a staple π©
potent halo
I think I've touched gradle when i tried sponge 
sick brook
placid thicket
There is a scene in iron man 3 where they have an IP starting with a 9 for a few interactions before changing to a correct one later
It hurts to see
void void
i never noticed this
whole prism
placid thicket
Lemme find it
void void
i was just about to say "what about that one ncis episode"
but scrolled up and you already linked it
placid thicket
Here's the clip, it's around 2 minutes mark
https://youtu.be/BSPeeOrSfJA
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placid thicket
2:17 exactly apparently
void void
yo what the fuck was that
ouch
what plugins are epic
i already have gravitree and oldcombatmechanics
and i only do survival
placid thicket
That's.... A very hard question to answer
placid thicket
Some sort of permission and logging plugin like luckperms and coreprotect for one
Unless you like getting greifed
rare herald
Team Avo
placid thicket
Yeeeaaah... I'm talking beyond just breaking blocks
void void
but i did disable lava monsters
because they are OP
or cobble monsters i think theyre called
placid thicket
Without permissions I can crash your server pretty easy
tranquil bone
Look at this @void void even build numbers
placid thicket
Not having proper perms set up leaves a lot of plugins open to easy exploits
void void
ok i dont have random plugins so i think im safe
placid thicket
Also without permissions most plugins will refuse to work unless you OP everyone
void void
yea i havent ran into one i wanted and required perms yet though
so do u guys listen to galaxygoats
what @tranquil bone
placid thicket
Nope. I just manage my server and try to keep sand out of my underwear
placid thicket
Eh, I recommend it, egg or z or someone said they would eventually set up a roll or something for it, never happened
tranquil bone
Thonk
placid thicket
They are busy tho so no hard feelings
I just think it's helpful when asking for help
void void
i think it's done so that when they ask for help we dont have to ask what build are you on
placid thicket
No, it's the actual version/build my server is on
void void
because we do have to ask that otherwise
and people are rarted and tell us "1.14"
not even the feature ver or the build
making it damn near impossible to help
so iz nice
tranquil bone
Oh that sounds way better loool
placid thicket
Or just "latest" and they mean 1.8
placid thicket
14.4? No 5 yet
vestal jasper
placid thicket
Today we're releasing 1.14.4,Β a release that addresses left over issues from 1.14.Β We plan on this being the final release for 1.14 and we'll continue our efforts on 1.15. Aside from new features, 1.15 will also focus on quality and performance improvements.
This is promising tho
vestal jasper
void void
is it though 
placid thicket
Well I mean it's better than the previous notion that everything is fine
void void
tranquil bone
I meant 1.14.4, simple
void void
This just made me smile with so much joy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WR7Gt0lNHY
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icy raft
void void
wtf is that name, whoever was just typing
icy raft
I dunno but I am name
rain lion
acoustic pilot
void void
what the fuck
true canyon
Sounds like america to me!
acoustic pilot
This is about minute amounts of time like 10 minutes a day where an employer can have you working off the clock.
But it adds up over the year
lapis shale
hey guys super quick
cough cough
does 1.14.4 turn mobs and entities invis
or is that just me being retarded
true canyon
lol
merry talon
no?
void void
did u use invis pot
lapis shale
why is everything invisible lol
wide hazel
Tab plugin?
vestal jasper
TAB reborn
vestal jasper
which iirc uses packets to intercept tab menus instead of the methods built into the game
lapis shale
i dont get it
vestal jasper
The dev went into the velocity discord asking how to do packets in velocity so it can do tab ordering
vestal jasper
I'm in the process of making my own tab plugin for velocity so I don't have to wait for updates
void void
52wks/yr - 2wks vacation (assume unpaid) - 1wk of fed/state holidays = 49wks/yr * 5 days/work week * 8 hrs/day = ~1960 paid hours per year
and assuming 10 mins a day unpaid, 49wks/yr * 5days/ww * 0.1667hrs/day = ~41 hours
1960-41 = 1919 paid hours
you lose about a full work week??? assuming my math is right
not sick, not sick
@unreal quarry ^
acoustic pilot
Yeah it definitely adds up
Douglas Troester, a supervisor at a Starbucks in Burbank, filed a lawsuit because the checklist for closing the store required him to clock out so he could upload data about employeesβ hours, sales, and other information before leaving work, which he said required a few minutes of off-the-clock work.
Employers think it's OK to not pay for this.
void void
oh shit
i tagged billy, not you
i think i had a bit much beer
that's not ok
didnt know about this.
acoustic pilot
well fortunately in our state now the question has been resolved π
void void
Good.
wide hazel
Yeah, expecting work and not paying for it is bull
acoustic pilot
"It's only a few minutes a day, it's not compensateable!"
true canyon
Silly employers
void void
for context, my pay was not extreme, but it was $25hr. a full work week was ~$2000 before benefits.
that is...just not fucking okay.
acoustic pilot
definitely rough in california π
@void void i dunno how all the minimum wage workers pull it off in california
wide hazel
I read a story on Reddit about a call center that had their hours rounded down to the nearest half-hour
acoustic pilot
and they probably have to deal with this non-compensable work hours all the time too
wide hazel
So people clocked out and hung up on customers at exactly their time
void void
before i became salary at my last job mine was rounded to the quarter hour
and i did that, t oo
wide hazel
Apparently that policy changed quickly
void void
i said "sorry, my shift has ended, would you like me to transfer you?"
and then my manager promoted me to salary
or "non-exempt" as they call it
wide hazel
"promoted"
void void
yeah, it was same pay was pretty BS lol
he framed it as "well you dont have to file hours, your pay is fixed, so all is better rite?"
I was just like "ok"
in my mind it was "well, i need the money, so fuck it"
wide hazel
That's when they hand you twice as many hours
void void
Oh, they did
I was in charge of the ECM platform
Like, top of it
Including DR failovers
Which they loved to schedule for like 9pm? and before i redesigned the system, it was entirely manual
wide hazel
And that's when you leave for greener not-dirt pastures :D
acoustic pilot
but... think of the billionaires!
void void
im talking, lock the users out MANUALLY, check for active sessions and CALL THEM TO HAVE THEM LOG OUT (wtf?), because locking doesn't log them out just prevents new ones; then fire up the DR server. MANUALLY COPY THE FUCKING FILES (wtf???), change the platter pointers, shut down the original server, and then do a full UAT.
the UAT would take like an hour.
Wouldn't get home until it was midnight or 1am
wide hazel
"long"
acoustic pilot
How do you expect billionaires to continue creating jobs if you wanna be paid for every 5 minutes of trivial work??!
void void
correct.
i eventually resigned because of that shit
(need a new job tho so if anyone's hirring @ me)
(only slightly /s)
wide hazel
Churn for the call center I worked for was very high
Most didn't last two weeks
There were four of us that lasted 6 months
void void
I was nice enough to give them 2 weeks notice, and write documentation which previously did not exist for the platform.
So the new guy is probably fine.
But I had to learn the entire thing from scratch which sucked.
Also redesigned the system architecture, got it virtualized so DR failovers are now "click button, wait, done, UAT, done"
takes 15 minutes or less
limber knotBOT
I am so lucky that I have a proper job where my work is valued
And properly compensated
wind sonnet
acoustic pilot
and proper laws to protect those rights
that's kinda key there
Labor laws in America... let's not get into it
limber knotBOT
It's not like Amazon doesn't have warehouses here π
I mean, the situation here is properly much better l, yea
void void
we need a macro command for this question
limber knotBOT
It's still, compared to other industries, a shit hole
void void
absolutely not.
limber knotBOT
Why would irc die?
acoustic pilot
I wouldn't either but it's kinda nice to know that it's an option if I ever really, really need it π
limber knotBOT
Discord is what dies all the time π
wide hazel
.xkcd irc
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void void
I've seen most of servers go inactive
acoustic pilot
I've worked some pretty shitty jobs so I'm usually open to anything
limber knotBOT
I was luckly enough to never have to accept a shiity job