Want a huggle?
#general
heady spear
gloomy sphinx
i finally switched to windows
so much better than linux my god
dont even need a keyboard anymore i can actually use my mouse and click on things
also touching the screen is so nice
golden gust
TCC: "And that was the time I got banned from PaperMC"
limber knotBOT
tmi
what you and your screen get up to is your own business, no need to tell us
Wait what?
TCC: server or desktop?
gloomy sphinx
server
limber knotBOT
Also, I'm the opposite, I prefer to use keyboard
gloomy sphinx
so much better i can just tap on a file it opens and installs
gloomy sphinx
no more bs terminal have to type an entire paragraph to open a text file
limber knotBOT
Doesn't paper work better on Linux though?
limber knotBOT
I mean, that's the minecraft server gui, but sure :P
I'm just sure I read somewhere it's more performant on Linux
gloomy sphinx
microsoft just kept screwing with linux making auto updates and adding spy shit it is garbage
windows is pretty much better than that all open source
limber knotBOT
Ah yeah
I forget that Microsoft added auto updates and spy shit to my manjaro distribution
acoustic pilot
This is all pretty low effort but at least you managed to bait one person.
vestal jasper
I say similar things when I get baited tbh
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byte ur face is bait
gloomy sphinx
im stuck in an alternate reality
limber knotBOT
oof, alternate
limber knotBOT
Ah wow nice
heady spear
@vestal jasper your server sucks
vestal jasper
thanks
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vic where's ur serbur
gloomy sphinx
lol is that the weeb who develops that terrible plot plugin?
vestal jasper
it's kinda dead rn tbh the player count usually completely drops after 2 AM and picks up at 6 AM
gloomy sphinx
whats ur servur vic
vestal jasper
usually hits 20
limber knotBOT
cries in his max of 3
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20 eh
gloomy sphinx
20 lol
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damn that's like ur iq
vestal jasper
gloomy sphinx
open a legaminds server youll get more
limber knotBOT
boom
gloomy sphinx
whats the ip
limber knotBOT
legaminds?
gloomy sphinx
limber knotBOT
Is that some weird way of saying lego mindstorms?
gloomy sphinx
sounds like bs
heady spear
@vestal jasper lick me
gloomy sphinx
@vestal jasper can you pm me your ip i want to build
limber knotBOT
TCC pm me ur ip
gloomy sphinx
i dont have an ip
heady spear
PUBG-13***
limber knotBOT
How are you on the internet!? kekekek
heady spear
fixed your typo
gloomy sphinx
is city really a confirmed weeb?
heady spear
no
gloomy sphinx
hmm..
heady spear
I've never done Japanese in my life
gloomy sphinx
i feel like you are
heady spear
Am not
limber knotBOT
Google says he is http://cityofwebster.com/
heady spear
I only like Russian cartoon
gloomy sphinx
z750 wouldnt give such a terrible name to someone who watches russian cartoons
you pretty much got fucked
vestal jasper
I'd rather cut off my own foot than let you and leaf on my server
vestal jasper
you bait as often as brian
heady spear
I believe kashike gave me this name
gloomy sphinx
i baited once
heady spear
limber knotBOT
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gloomy sphinx
one bait != master baiter
heady spear
this good cartoon :))
gloomy sphinx
leaf is the master baiter
heady spear
it is wholesome and has none of noodle speak
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hey vic
vestal jasper
also if leaf really wanted to find my server he would've by now
vestal jasper
yeah
static badge
you made it too easy
vestal jasper
ok
implying I care enough to private my repos just to spite you
also I really need to redo some of those plugins
heady spear
learn how to name your packages first
vestal jasper
haha xd
vestal jasper
why would I want to hide a public server from the public
heady spear
guys stop doing fight
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for the memes?
heady spear
have friendship for that all that matter
vestal jasper
you could also find my server from my mc name which I've posted like 3000 times in screenshots
gloomy sphinx
sounds like a dumb username
static badge
says TCC
vestal jasper
I mean it is a dumb username, but it's not taken 99% of the time, and it doesn't have any numbers in it, so I just use it
gloomy sphinx
better than draycia
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no draycia is better
gloomy sphinx
draycia had spent like 6 hours thinking about it
and it still turned out as spam
so id say i win
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vestal jasper
I spent like 2 minutes thinking of it tbh
vestal jasper
nice bait
gloomy sphinx
we know you went through a lot of draycia versions
xXxdrayciaxXx i saw you on habbo hotel
shy nova
heady spear
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Чебурашка и Крокодил Гена — все серии подряд [HD] - length 1h 8m 20s - 32,270 likes, 12,218 dislikes (72.5%) - 34,913,020 views - Мультики студии Союзмультфильм on 2014.07.18
hallow light
anyone else having problems with command blocks in 1.14.2?
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apparently my route sucks fat fucking dick
gloomy sphinx
the problem is the command block
stiff yarrow
what the hell is noodle speak 
hallow light
commandtp @p[distance=..5] -1524 122 231 is not working anymore with commandblocks.
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wet smelt
Quick question that is not directly paper related: If I update from 1.13.2 to 1.14.2 by simply replacing the jar, will the new bioms generate? (bamboo forests, etc)?
static badge
yeah but only for new chunks
vestal jasper
in new chunks yes
wet smelt
okay, yeah that makes sense 😄 Thanks guys!
hallow light
okay problem solved, it works when using minecraft:tp @a[distance=..5] -1524 122 231
vestal jasper
I like how all 3 of the reviews for the latest version of PWI are just 1 stars because of global wipes
feelsgoodman
really makes me trust the plugin
leaf's dumb
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ur dum
limber knotBOT
vicarious wat is ur server?
low loom
fallen oracle
Wipe all the inventories!
vestal jasper
Tbh I'm sure if I attempted to make my own it would be infinitely more prone to wipes than PWI is currently
heavy rapids
makes me wonder how common that bug really is
if it's that common, it makes me wonder how bad PWI's QA is
:P
heavy rapids
lol
kotlin had that newfangled keyword shortening disease as well, right?
rust's pub fn
oH wHaT aRe YoU gOnNa Do WiTh AlL tHaT tImE sAvEd
fallen oracle
Go for it
I haven't woken up yet
Looks like all this got messed up when he started changing how data conversion.
vestal jasper
Wanna see what viaversion says your PPS is when you do it
static badge
resets over time
vestal jasper
yeah it seemds to log the last like 3 seconds or some shit
static badge
but what I did was send a delta of 150 blocks up over 1000 packets
lemme try 1000 y
ah tripped it
vestal jasper
yeah I couldn't see what it said it was because of the kick
[07:32:26 WARN]: searchndstroy moved too quickly! 0.0,13.921599998474107,0.0
vestal jasper
pls don't kill mine
vestal jasper
kk
static badge
yeah basically
couldn't even do anything with ncp though
it freaked the fuck out at the movement
tropic flame
limber knotBOT
the first paragraph already contains a huge error...
It says the only people who can use ad blockers following the change will be Google’s enterprise users.
this is bullshit
gusty idol
Should I publish my library to Maven Central or to JCenter?
vestal jasper
acoustic pilot
MiniDigger: yeah, it's an opinion piece/blog, not an actual article. It's garbage
tropic flame
meh I shared it more for the Microsoft part
static badge
from its eyes 
tropic flame
I just kinda skipped that first paragraph
acoustic pilot
Maven Central is ideal because the repository is enabled by default in Maven (not in Gradle though)
tropic flame
(since they linked that part to other article that explains it better blablabla)
limber knotBOT
<Byteflux> Maven Central is ideal [X] Doubt
tropic flame
do whatever I guess
acoustic pilot
Half of her citations are more Forbes "blog articles" and not actual articles lol
gusty idol
JCenter is enabled in the template build.gradle script generated when running gradle init, but isn't JCenter a "superset" of Maven Central?
Does using jcenter() not allow you to get Maven Central artifacts too?
acoustic pilot
No idea
I'm just saying that Central has more users simply because Apache Maven is distributed with the Central repository enabled by default so anyone who uses Maven (a pom.xml) will have that repo enabled by default without having to explicitly configure it.
gusty idol
When you want to publish something to Maven Central don't you have to wait for a Sonatype employee to validate your request?
acoustic pilot
Maybe you should really just clarify your question then
limber knotBOT
you need to get your namespace registered
gusty idol
I'm just trying to see the pros and cons of both repos
acoustic pilot
From a distribution standpoint, Central is clearly superior because it reaches out to more people out of the box
gusty idol
Hmmm
acoustic pilot
Maybe it's not as great in other areas
gusty idol
What if I use Gradle 
Ok apparently I can publish to Maven Central even if I use Gradle
acoustic pilot
Gradle users using your library (assuming that's what it is) would be explicitly declaring their repo (mavenCentral() or jcenter()) any way so it doesn't matter from a distribution point of view
Ultimately though none of this is really important, use whatever is comfortable and tell people where it is if it's not on Central.
As long as the repo is stable who cares.
upper flicker
Keep it in your fridge next to the taco meat
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disguised to look like
acoustic pilot
american tacos are ground beef with taco seasoning
vestal jasper
Taco hater reeeee
acoustic pilot
taco hating furry
vestal jasper
^
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ur furry
worn ember
no u
limber knotBOT
(Amaranth) Taylor Swift - You Need To Calm Down - length 3m 31s - 240,810 likes, 4,376 dislikes (98.2%) - 464,614 views - TaylorSwiftVEVO on 2019.06.17
jeez half a million views in 40 minutes
🌮
final summit
ancient bolt
Thanks Amaranth
potent warren
Hey, quick question, I've been trying to do a Minecraft Bouncer by proxying the packets.
This works fine, but it's laggy for whatever reason. Anyone can shed some light regarding this?
(Left: My bouncer; Right: Direct connection for test purposes)
heavy rapids
https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/590154218845765633
Make sure you have installed GitHub
ok I just installed GitHub.com
heady spear
wait how do u install github? I tried to but it wouldn't let me press install
worn ember
@heady spear github desktop?
austere ivy
how do I install Microsoft
wide chasm
GitHub Desktop sucks
heavy rapids
well my shell can interface with git, and it runs on my desktop, so I think I'll just call that my "Github Desktop".
upper flicker
There’s a fork that basically flipped a switch and has Linux builds running
For some reason GH just doesn’t want to support it
heavy rapids
I wonder why
pulsar wigeon
LOONix users should just go back to their damn shells
:^)
(github desktop sucks honestly)
heavy rapids
well, feature wise github also is lacking on the free tier
iirc they now have free private repos? but still a collaborator limit? 🤔
upper flicker
Yes there is a collab limit
GH desktop is only really useful for looking at diffs tbh
And there are better tools out there for that
worn ember
nut
stiff yarrow
I haven't really seen a diffviewer that was amazing before
worn ember
ij's is the best one ive seen
also one of the only ones
vs's one is pretty good too
potent warren
IJ is ❤
worn ember
@potent warren ew its you
woven otter
no u
worn ember
oh heres duck again
heavy rapids
DuckEyeDragon?
woven otter
ancient bolt
@upper flicker there's folks at my work who only use git through GHD
supposedly professional developers that don't know what git is..
golden gust
I honestly don't think I'd cope if I had to use one of those UIs
worn ember
i think they're great for merge conflicts
golden gust
The only time I really love them is when I gotta go play with diffs, but even then, I'd rather just deal with the conflicts in my IDE
stiff yarrow
not familiar with GHD, but I used to use SmartGit to check the diffs on a commit before pushing it out since it was a bit easier
but I'm back to just using git cli
potent warren
^^
pulsar wigeon
just stick with git bash for that
the way i see it is, if you have enough understanding over git, IJ's UI is just shortcuts to commands
it's not really trying to hide how git works, just providing convenient buttons to do things
potent warren
Isn't that its purpose?
upper flicker
That’s scary
potent warren
no u
void void
livid crown
fallen oracle
Welcome.
strange bane
I've decided to quit Java development and go full on data packs.
fallen oracle
Data packs?
limber knotBOT
Data packs!
pulsar wigeon
lul
strange bane
fallen oracle
Oh my.
limber knotBOT
who even needs javascript? Just use datapacks for everythings
I decided to write all my plugins in Rust
ornate spindle
gotta hand it to mojang though, they somehow made something even shittier than skript
fallen oracle
One thing I found cool about npm modules is how they have the ability to convert themselves into static web stuff.
strange bane
But... you have people like SethBling making WorldEdit in it.
limber knotBOT
<insert jurassic park meme>
strange bane
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) BlingEdit -- Datapack for World Editing in Minecraft 1.13 and 1.14 - length 17m 52s - 13,197 likes, 66 dislikes (99.5%) - 193,804 views - SethBling on 2018.10.13
Your scientists (SethBling) were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.
pulsar wigeon
But... you have people like SethBling making shitty partial WorldEdit clones in it.
ftfy
golden gust
Well, yea, but then you get stuff like this: https://www.npmjs.com/package/is-even
heady spear
Don't you dare talk smack about sethieboy
fallen oracle
And is-windows
ornate spindle
and is-windows
fallen oracle
Jinx
heady spear
I've worked with him and we're like best friends
pulsar wigeon
i didn't talk smack about seth
strange bane
I thought that was a meme package but it's got 50K downloads in the last week.
pulsar wigeon
just about james' interpretation
ornate spindle
I hope you don't mean relaunching my API site
heady spear
:(( you cald his clone shitty
fallen oracle
I was, but sarcastically.
strange bane
wiz, am I not allowed to exaggerate?
fallen oracle
I had it removed from the public-apis github repo last week.
pulsar wigeon
i mean, i don't think seth meant it as a worldedit clone tbh
ornate spindle
I'm like 0.3% done with the golang rewrite of it
heady spear
wiz is evil
strange bane
It does cube selection better than WE.
heady spear
but that's what happens when you work on FAWE for an extended amount of time
pulsar wigeon
how so james?
heady spear
you're just sad because your plugin is worse than the cuberite version
strange bane
There's 9 anchor points and you can click and move them to adjust your selection.
heady spear
WorldEdit commands are so dumb
strange bane
Yeah, but it's not anywhere near as cool/intuitive.
heady spear
I wish it would just type in the commands for me
ornate spindle
@fallen oracle your commit is kinda wrong, I shut it down back in October
pulsar wigeon
ur face isn't cool
heady spear
ur face is probably hot
strange bane
Step up your WorldEdit game wiz else everyone is going to move to data packs. xD
fallen oracle
Is that a compliment or an insult, CIty?
heady spear
compliment, wiz is my favorite person on here
pulsar wigeon
my face is actually kinda cold atm
strange bane
If anyone hasn't seen what Seth made, it's nowhere near WorldEdit's capabilities but it has been put together well.
heady spear
I think he's kinda cool and like cute idk 😊
strange bane
wiz, have you seen how he displays rotation?
heady spear
but like don't tell him I like him!! promise?!!?!
pulsar wigeon
for some reason my office blows the AC on full all summer
james i have a meeting to go to in 5 minutes
i'm not watching an 18 minute video
i've seen some very basic stuff from blingedit being used in other videos but not much
strange bane
It's not in that one, it was in a later update but he basically has two armour stands that move to the player's top left of their screen. The first armour stand is the source and the second is rotated to show relatively how the paste will look.
fallen oracle
goes into meeting Okay... let's talk about WorldEdit. Have you boys ever wanted to point at that fucking corner over there and then wave your magic wand at any other fucking location and then make everything in that area disappear? Well I got some fucking news for you boys.
pulsar wigeon
that will just select the area
i actually have some motivation to now that we have WE CUI back
you should see my multi cui tests
pulsar wigeon
limber knotBOT
Hello is there any way to disable the User Authenticator in paper?
strange bane
Yeah, that's hot.
golden gust
disable online mode?
limber knotBOT
well thats what I did via server.properties atleast I think so
pulsar wigeon
i think i'll reimplement that with some proper api wrappers for shapes and such at some point
heady spear
tbh worldedit is useless without FAWE
sturdy fulcrum
Make a star shape
heady spear
FAWE > AWE > WE
heady spear
WE < poop
pulsar wigeon
but i have a meeting to go to
limber knotBOT
but in my logfiles instead of the usual joined the game message it greets me with "[User Authenticator #1/INFO]:"
pulsar wigeon
so have fun shitting on urself while i'm gone
heady spear
you're just leaving because you know I'm right
sturdy fulcrum
City is always talking shit what’s new
heady spear
:((((
golden gust
The user authenticator thread will still be used, it just won't do lookups on mojangs servers
You can't disable the thread itself
sturdy fulcrum
I think he sits on the toilet head first
heady spear
wiz is more active in the FAWE discord than I am
it's proof
that he secretly loves it
limber knotBOT
is that paper only behavior? I just upgrade from vanilla
I don't really have an issue with the thread being used itself but why does it not print the "joined the game" message anymore?
golden gust
Do you have any plugins installed?
strange bane
Windows is so bugged right now
golden gust
game join messages are working fine here
My screenshot tool has decided to crap itself however
strange bane
At least it's not just Windows
limber knotBOT
which version of paper are you on if I may ask?
golden gust
Whatever the latest commit on github is
limber knotBOT
and you are not only having the "logged in with entity" message?
strange bane
Survival servers FTW
heady spear
WorldGuard doesn't generate plots, otherwise it'd work
the flag system is way better
golden gust
[16:33:51 INFO]: UUID of player electronicboy is a7b06441-908f-4f06-a323-3032d9c484b8
[16:33:52 INFO]: electronicboy[/127.0.0.1:58162] logged in with entity id 34527 at ([world]229.56522728305902, 67.0, -957.6674146778976)
ok, yeah, together with my PlotGenerator plugin :P
strange bane
FAWG is better than WorldGuard anyway.
limber knotBOT
lol no
heady spear
wth is fawg
strange bane
FastAsyncWorldGuard
limber knotBOT
yeah thats what I meant, vanilla has another message
heady spear
lol that was just for compatibility??
stiff yarrow
maybe there's no competition for plot squared because its a silly idea 
heady spear
it literally is at this point tho
limber knotBOT
instead of just uuid it has a seperate message "playername has joined the game"
strange bane
Wait, I was just kidding I didn't know it was really a thing.
limber knotBOT
unpopular opinion: FAWE was dead the moment they didn't use a proper fork/patches
heady spear
FAWE died the moment it became a fork of WE
golden gust
It doesn't show the X has logged in in the console, but it shows that in the server
heady spear
when it was a wrapper it was fine, now it isn't.
limber knotBOT
yeah, that's what I said :P
golden gust
I've been using AWE 👼
limber knotBOT
it's not, it doesn't have WE git history
stiff yarrow
I use WE like a normal person
limber knotBOT
so you can't merge changes from WE
heady spear
That isn't the problem, the problem is that it's no longer a wrapper which is fundementally a bad idea
stiff yarrow
limber knotBOT
which is why they have been massively behind the updates
yeah but it used to show that message in the console aswell (vanilla behavior)
because they need to add all changes manually xD
heady spear
No, the reason why it has been massively behind is because no one is there to work on it
pulsar wigeon
want to make a p2 replacement with me city?
just frontend over wg api
- a world gen
limber knotBOT
well people would work on it if the project was sane...
I have a script which is parsing my logfile
strange bane
Anyone know how to silent JDA and handle logging for it?
heady spear
The world generation part is really easy, so that'd be a decent idea.
pulsar wigeon
yea
limber knotBOT
If there is no way to renable that message in console I guess I have to rewirte
pulsar wigeon
i've been mulling over it
all the plot plugins and the self-serve protection plugins suck
limber knotBOT
just use https://github.com/Minebench/PlotGenerator :P
pulsar wigeon
wg is good but has a shit user frontend
heavy rapids
ooh a p2 replacement
heady spear
The PlotSquared code is way more complex than it has to be, because we allowed for some really strange generators
like the round plots and shit
heavy rapids
that'd be nice
pulsar wigeon
i don't see a problem with round plots :^)
heady spear
The generator is too powerful, most features aren't used
strange bane
Protection plugins in general are easy. 😛
limber knotBOT
thanks for helping me electroniccat!
pulsar wigeon
i'll break your james :^)
strange bane
🥊
heady spear
But yes I agree phoenix, FAWE shouldn't be used
pulsar wigeon
there's sooo many weird things that bukkit events dont handle correctly
heady spear
The way it's written and managed makes it both unreliable to use, and depend on.
strange bane
Before I took over this server, they were using WorldGuard for player protection.
heady spear
Most of the features would make just as much sense in WE, but no one ever bothered to contribute to WE
strange bane
Players would ask an admin to come over and make a WG region.
heady spear
Rather those extra brushes and whatnot were added to FAWE
It has not had a single stable version for the last 5 years :3
Same thing kinda happened when PlotSquared took over from PlotMe. It wasn't ready at all, it was just a huge collection of bugs
strange bane
wiz and Matt both claim FAWE corrupts worlds. I don't even use WE but that immediately means don't ever install FAWE. 😛
Just a heads up though, if I ever install FAWE and it causes me issues I'm suing them both.
stiff yarrow
must refrain from pointing out how City took the poor FAWE devs under his wing and just poops on them in discord 💩
heady spear
honestly say whatever the fuck you want lol
also "devs" there has been one developer, he left
then people have sort of continued patching onto the clusterfuck, but it has still not recovered from 1.13
Jesse obviously doesn't care anymore, so I don't see why anyone else should.
strange bane
I'm grateful for FAWE purely because wiz is a competitive guy and I think it has influenced recent changes to WE.
pulsar wigeon
eh, like which lol
strange bane
IDK haven't used either recently but the WorldEdit 7 seems like a bigger change over previous iterations.
Actually, I've never even used FAWE.
pulsar wigeon
that's mostly due to mojang changes in 1.13
not due to anything related to fawe lol
i think the one thing matthew got from fawe is the structure block cui
heady spear
You guys at least care about WE stability
strange bane
I will leave one eyebrow raised for now.
heady spear
and making sure that published releases don't break everything :)))
no one, literally no one bothers testing any IS code before it's commited lol
pulsar wigeon
yea i generally try testing everything i can
heady spear
People were confused when I made dev releases for PlotSquared rather than just uploading it straight to spigot
heady spear
Yes, that's a bitch. I regret ever adding sponge and nukkit support
pulsar wigeon
nukkit 🚮
heady spear
barely anyone uses that shit and it's a lot more work to maintain
strange bane
WorldEdit supports pretty much everything. xD
heady spear
honestly I'm just waiting for PlotSquared to finally die so I can move on
pulsar wigeon
fabric port is kinda on my todo list but low
heady spear
f o r g e
strange bane
Oh wait, it doesn't support Glowstone.
pulsar wigeon
it works on glowstone iirc
strange bane
😮
pulsar wigeon
the glowstone author even has a custom adapter
that they add to WE at runtime via our flag designed for that purpose
to handle TE etc data
since they don't use nms (obv)
heady spear
WE code is so neat to work with
FAWE code is literal hell
queue upon queue inside of a queue inside of another queue on top of a queue extending a queue inside of a queue
and no documentation to be seen anywhere :)))
cedar spade
queueueueueueueueueueueueueuqeueueueueueueueq
pulsar wigeon
yea that's the main reason i don't take inspiration from fawe
i'm not masochistic enough to read jesse's code
halcyon perch
What's your opinion of AWE on top of WE?
pulsar wigeon
🚮
heady spear
AWE is kinda shit too tbh
pulsar wigeon
AWE dev is uh, interesting
heady spear
The developer is an asshat.
He is so rude to everyone
Also, there have been equally (if not more) reports of problems with AWE as with FAWE
strange bane
AWE stays within the Bukkit API, no?
native thunder
You can't achieve that kind of speed using the bukkit api
pulsar wigeon
he literally uses bytecode/asm to rewrite nms and worldedit
AWE isn't fast tofuus
AWE is batching
native thunder
But I've been trying to isolate a FAWE bug and it's literal hell
heady spear
lol
pulsar wigeon
actually a lot of people complain about AWE being slower than even worldedit
because it's meant to batch edits so it doesn't block MT
it's not meant to do things really fast
heady spear
AWE never claimed to be fast
native thunder
That actually sounds smart
It doesn't need to be fast. It just needs to not completely kill the server doing edits
stiff yarrow
it is a good way to go about doing stuff that isn't thread safe
pulsar wigeon
well, it has issues of its own
heady spear
WorldEdit with decent settings wouldn't either
native thunder
Why is it called AsyncWorldEdit if it's just batching?
heady spear
I have never had a problem with WorldEdit tbh
stiff yarrow
pretty funny if its called Async but its just doing load distribution across ticks
cedar spade
we'll make our own FAWE, with bytecode and mixins!
strange bane
I don't understand why AWE would ever need to leave the Bukkit API.
pulsar wigeon
also worldedit very recently got some big speed improvements
stiff yarrow
in MT
pulsar wigeon
james, try looking at the AWE code
stiff yarrow
@strange bane using Internals is a lot faster than using the Bukkit API
native thunder
I gave your speed improvements a test
pulsar wigeon
it's like 80% written as asm visitors
native thunder
By trying to copy 500k blocks 😃
heady spear
FAWE does have some pretty nifty shit tho
native thunder
FAWE does some really stupid shit too though
heady spear
Jesse never completed most of it before he stopped working on it
but he had cool plans
pulsar wigeon
yea we all have cool plans
unfortunately no one pays us for them so it's on a whatever-i-feel-like-doing basis
meanwhile that fucking arceon guy gets 700+ a month making shitty ass brushes for build teams
heady spear
He kinda did get paid for working on FAWE for a while tho
cedar spade
someone pls pay me to rewrite EssX over August thx
heady spear
I've made, at most, $3000 from PlotSquared
and then like $2000 for a plotsquared fork once
limber knotBOT
I've made at most $0 from plotsquared
pulsar wigeon
the only money i've ever gotten from MC shit was curse author rewards
heady spear
The key to getting donations is to not publish updates
pulsar wigeon
lol
heady spear
then claim that you're suffering
pulsar wigeon
yea i noticed that
heady spear
and then people will throw money at you :)))
limber knotBOT
wow
pulsar wigeon
people donating to fawe because they want an update
limber knotBOT
I'm suffering
heady spear
We got paid $2k to remove a bunch of commands from plotsquared
limber knotBOT
Here's my soundcloud
heady spear
Ye, FAWE brings in a lot of money lol
pulsar wigeon
wow tf lol
stiff yarrow
damn that's actually a lot of money to make off a free plugin
limber knotBOT
hooks wizjany up
heady spear
mike has sponsored us a lot as well, heh
golden gust
Being a big plugin like WE pretty much hurts you as you just become an essential vs being something revolutionary and amazing
pulsar wigeon
yea
stiff yarrow
@pulsar wigeon just start charging money for it and you can be a rich person too
pulsar wigeon
it sucks
heady spear
there's a reason he's the only one with a sponsor role 😛
pulsar wigeon
if WE went premium we'd get so much shit
limber knotBOT
Maybe go Freemium™
golden gust
inb4 rejected on spigot
cedar spade
I got one donation of $106.20 for EssentialsX once
limber knotBOT
Free to edit up to 100,000 blocks then $1.49 per 1,000,000
limber knotBOT
tbh just putting a donation link into the description and a doation button github could help ¯_(ツ)_/¯
stiff yarrow
in the first 2 years of mcMMO my sum total of donos was probably around 2000 USD
heady spear
most of our donations are anonymous tho
Considering the amount of money FAWE brings in, I bet WE could make a shit tonne :p
heady spear
When I resurrected PlotSquared for the third time people started throwing money at us again
cedar spade
that MD only rejects open source premium plugins if his precious PRs are being monetised cough EssentialsX cough
strange bane
How much does Spigot rack in?
strange bane
What about the donation button?
heady spear
90% of my MC money comes from comission work
limber knotBOT
I mean people do donate and there are sponsors on the page ¯_(ツ)_/¯
strange bane
Really? Have you seen the forums?
limber knotBOT
City can I commission you?
heady spear
Some servers actually pay a decent hourly wage too. Granted, you get zero benefits
ancient bolt
damn rust is a nice language
pulsar wigeon
we have donate links pretty sure phoenix
cedar spade
People donate once and then never again though
limber knotBOT
I'd like a copy of facebook in Minecraft, and I'll pay you $50
heady spear
you do, wiz
pulsar wigeon
matthew even has his patreon up there
heady spear
but you aren't aggressive about it
matthew and I discussed this before, he is too good a person :p
ancient bolt
I've learned a couple more things since last night, need to fix some stuff up in paperd
limber knotBOT
@pulsar wigeon not on github
pulsar wigeon
users dont look at github
native thunder
They've become such an essential part of MC that no one will donate
limber knotBOT
users don't donate
native thunder
It's expected that they'll donate at this point
pulsar wigeon
pretty sure WE hasn't made enough in 9 years to cover a few months of server expenses tbh
stiff yarrow
IIRC someone offered me like 50 bucks to port mcMMO to nukkit
limber knotBOT
I'll donate
heady spear
The server I'm with now pays $16.5/h, which is more than I'd get at a local grocery store
heady spear
so I'm kinda happy about it :p
halcyon perch
mcmmo would be awesome on nukkit
stiff yarrow
@halcyon perch after the abstraction update it'd be something I'd look into but not before
limber knotBOT
yeah these aren't the ones that care enough about the project to donate though xD
pulsar wigeon
like 80% of WE users are on beta 5 or on 7.0 release now
most people don't use dev and don't use source
heady spear
WE is one of those projects that have been around for ages, and that have consistently pumped out updates
people don't feel the need to contribute
as it's seemingly doing fine
pulsar wigeon
yea apparently
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
idk when we fix stuff up we'll probably put up a proper banner like "help us cover server costs and support our time" or w/e
ancient bolt
I've wanted a block or chunk worker API in paper for a while now, so paper could provide a stable, safe, fast async API for bulk modification of the world like WE. Wouldn't be easy, but it's something that the server itself can handle far more reasonably than a plugin
limber knotBOT
but I doubt it would hurt to just put the flashy sponsor button on github :P https://i.moep.tv/e9sIFsvJ.png
stiff yarrow
@heady spear does the server paying you 16 hr give you regualr work though
void void
https://github.com/mikroskeem/depot 
i wonder when i can get poc up finally
stiff yarrow
you might be better off doing freelance for 20+
strange bane
Is mcMMO really paying that well?
stiff yarrow
if the question is does mcMMO pay well the answer is yes
heady spear
I mean, I study full time so I don't have a lot of time either way
ancient bolt
but I've never actually implemented it or worked on it so I have nothing to say i guess
heady spear
At most I work $4h a day on the server, which brings in a decent amount of extra cash
strange bane
Time to fork mcMMO, mcMMMO.
heady spear
That's like working 50% on top of studying, so I don't mind.
pulsar wigeon
DW: when i heard about async chunk loads i was considering the ability to force unload a chunk, then load async and modify the chunk on another thread before it's added back to the world MT
upper flicker
Re-add the kraken
stiff yarrow
the real money in Minecraft is running a server though
heady spear
Yes, but that's a lot more work
halcyon perch
you could call it bkMMO
stiff yarrow
server admins are printing money
ancient bolt
@stiff yarrow why do you donate to spigot 🙃
stiff yarrow
@ancient bolt I donate to everyone
heady spear
the previous minecade owner had like 55 different networks and he would brag about how much money he earned
ancient bolt
I have received no money from you
heady spear
he earned sooooooooooooooooooo much money .-.
pulsar wigeon
nossr makes so much he just throws money all over
stiff yarrow
@heady spear how much 
native thunder
That's what happens
cedar spade
same pls gib money
stiff yarrow
@ancient bolt really I thought I dono'd to you at least once
for your IntelliJ plugin
ancient bolt
no 😿
heady spear
he would brag about his expensive vacations while paying me $12/h >.<
strange bane
Why does that plugin use compile instead of compileOnly?
native thunder
Open source is a sham!!!!
heady spear
I did got to talk to sethbling tho :)))
stiff yarrow
what was your paypal again demon I'll go check
ancient bolt
fuck am i gonna get spammed now
halcyon perch
I have fixed a couple of old plugins to work on 1.14.2 and paid to have one other one fixed, but I am never confident enough to release my fixes
ancient bolt
lemme delete that
halcyon perch
I fixed SignLift to work with all the new signs
upper flicker
heady spear
I've saved his email
halcyon perch
and added the feature to be able to color the [Lift Up] /[Lift Down] section of the sign.
heady spear
I'll send feet pic
stiff yarrow
Hmm you're right Demon, I honestly thought I did send one
ancient bolt
i wanna work on rust but I have to work on Go at work right now 😦
Thumbs up this message if I should quit my job
limber knotBOT
DemonWav 👍
heady spear
halcyon perch
My "fix" was more of a hack though, I ended up using the deprecated LEGACY_ stuff for a lot of the fixes
stiff yarrow
who were you again
heady spear
I'll lick you
little ingot
Contribuir con el desarrollo
heady spear
btw what do we as a hive mind think about Choco?
little ingot
I am the best
cedar spade
nossr gib money pls
stiff yarrow
I typically dono to people who make something I use 
cedar spade
or else I'll leak demon's email to the deep wab
little ingot
Oof
heady spear
You use me as your punching bag
cedar spade
yOu MeAn YoU dOn'T uSe EsSeNtIaLsX
heady spear
I had to go to therapy
stiff yarrow
oh you're the essentials guy?
ancient bolt
holy shit @stiff yarrow $100,000? didn't realize you were so rich
cedar spade
ngl the Minecraft Dev plugin is great
heady spear
no he's the essentialx guy
halcyon perch
I do, I even ended up choosing over CMI which I paid for.
CMI was way too bloated.
EssentialsX is awesome.
heady spear
EssentialX sounds like porn
strange bane
That's bait @ancient bolt. xD
little ingot
CMI is that one where the dev seems really weird right?
cedar spade
CMI is developed by Zrips
halcyon perch
The dev just keeps going for a record on how many commands he can put in his plugin
cedar spade
who also has a couple of other plugins I can't remember the name of
halcyon perch
it's a nightmare when it comes to perms
heady spear
public void onSignatureRead(final User you) {
you.setHappy(true);
}
// I MADE YOU HAPPY
/r/thanksimcured
native thunder
lmao fawe crashes intellij with 4 gigs
stiff yarrow
I have EssentialsX loaded up on my server because I had a report about a compatibility issue, can't remember what the report was anymore though as it was a while back
pulsar wigeon
wow nice typo
ancient bolt
I do appreciate the donation @stiff yarrow but tbh if any of y'all really wanna cheer me up, the mcdev plugins needs contributors more than anything
little ingot
Mcdev?
heady spear
/r/thanksimcursed forever
ancient bolt
I just don't have the energy or the time to fix all the bugs it has or implement all the features people are asking for
pulsar wigeon
tbh i've tried it and it didn't really have much useful to me :\
little ingot
Mcfly!!
cedar spade
@ancient bolt I was going to PR a Velocity template but I couldn't figure out how templates worked
stiff yarrow
@ancient bolt I'm in crunch mode for mcMMO right now but maybe once I find more free time
pulsar wigeon
MC development is so ingrained in my blood now that extra tools for it don't do much for me
heady spear
I like the chatcolor thingy because sometimes I remember what colors are and then it's useful to see what color it is
native thunder
You need to bug the forge people
heady spear
I don't***
native thunder
Since it's way more useful on their side
ancient bolt
@cedar spade it shouldn't be that hard, but there's a lot of boilerplate for adding a new project
heady spear
I am waiting for a vim plugin
little ingot
@ancient bolt what is github?
native thunder
lmao
ancient bolt
I'll see if I can add velocity so you can add features for velocity if you want
cedar spade
what's java
ancient bolt
stiff yarrow
Oof its in kotlin
cedar spade
lua best language
pulsar wigeon
supporting canary and neptune tho DW lul
stiff yarrow
@cedar spade I hate LUA
heady spear
Imagine asking for contributors while using kotlin
pulsar wigeon
https://minecraftdev.org/features/ oof this page
ancient bolt
canary and neptune aren't supported anymore..
pulsar wigeon
well your site is out of date, and mostly empty
halcyon perch
I haven't touched LUA in a long time
ancient bolt
contributors would also be appreciated on the website
stiff yarrow
LUA is the worst
heady spear
LUA us great
pulsar wigeon
my extent of lua experience is updating some WoW addons for BFA
cedar spade
I'm not sure what Velocity features are needed except the template and icon tbh
ancient bolt
if I have time to kill to work on mcdev I'm probably not gonna choose working on the website over the actual plugin
pulsar wigeon
since their authors were MIA and i used them
heady spear
okay well so my only experience with LUA is wow addons
pulsar wigeon
yea ik DW
heady spear
so
stiff yarrow
LUA 
heady spear
same
ancient bolt
unfortunately bukkit / waterfall / velocity don't have as much need for mcdev
halcyon perch
WoW days, I released this. This was before I consumed as much alcohol as I do now.
ancient bolt
however there are cool inspections and code generation that can make life easier
pulsar wigeon
you should see my dev workspace tho
heady spear
Did you actually play BFA?
pulsar wigeon
i played BFA til end of last year
ancient bolt
generate even listener is one I have implemented, generate command would be a nice feature
stiff yarrow
I haven't played WoW since that one xpac that gave you a base
heady spear
I bought the expansion then I never bothered installing it
pulsar wigeon
that's WoD, with garrisons
ancient bolt
inspections can help catch bugs in new users' code and can provide quick fixes that can be nice too
heady spear
I didn't play legion either because I missed the entire first pvp season
stiff yarrow
@pulsar wigeon yeah that sounds right
heady spear
and then it felt dumb
ancient bolt
there's features that would be nice, they just need work to implement
pulsar wigeon
pvp 🚮
stiff yarrow
idk modern WoW just kind of blows
stark socket
heady spear
I played WoD but it was kinda trash??
pulsar wigeon
i'm considering playing a bit more when 8.2 hits
heady spear
Like, I did some raiding, but it wasn't fun
pulsar wigeon
looks like a bunch of content
raiding is super hit or miss
depends on if you have a good guild
stiff yarrow
when people are hyped for a classic version of your game more then you know you fucked up
halcyon perch
pug raiding sucked and they made the game too easy which is why I left it.
pulsar wigeon
and i stopped raiding so it sucked
cedar spade
also @stiff yarrow wdym "EssentialsX compatibility issue", EssentialsX never has compatibility issues with anything
stiff yarrow
@cedar spade It was a report, so I looked into it
pulsar wigeon
essx is incompatible with being a good plugin :^)
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
visual studio wtf are you smoking
stiff yarrow
Blizzard systematically simplified WoW features until it became a boring homogenous game
heady spear
my doctor called and I got an appointment for my thyroid removal
it's great because it's literally the first day of term
so I miss two weeks of classes :)))
pulsar wigeon
regulates a lot of important hormones^
pulsar wigeon
^
cedar spade
ew vs
heady spear
I'm gonna have a giant fucking scar on my throat lol
golden gust
I mean, worse case is that you die
pulsar wigeon
best case you mean
golden gust
🤷
pulsar wigeon
then he'll be free of PS
heady spear
If I don't have it removed the risk of me dying is significantly higher
stiff yarrow
removing something like that seems pretty
heavy rapids
plot twist, there's a mojang office in heaven and they just deployed heaven-1.14
heady spear
untreated grave's disease can get really bad
strange bane
I can tell by the name.
heady spear
there's a risk of them cutting the vocal cord nervs tho
then I'll like, have a really raspy voice
heady spear
I can't now either so no loss
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
kek
strange bane
That sounds terrifying.
heady spear
And I won't be on a shit tonne of medications all the fucking time
I'll just be on lifelong hormone replacement therapy, but that's better than the shit I take atm
Althooooo there's an adjustment period and if I get fat then idk if I can deal with that
cedar spade
stiff yarrow
being fats pretty impossible if you diet/exercise though
with that said I'm a fatty 
heady spear
Ye, the thyroid excuse is bs.
stiff yarrow
I'm like 220 american units 5'11
heady spear
You can get a lower basal metabolic rate, and there's a risk of you being more tired
and therefore you exercise less and eat more
and get fatty mc fat fat
That said, having an overactive thyroid makes you tired too
I'm 187lbs atm, I've never been this big before
heady spear
They only give radioactive iodine to elderly people here
because there's a significant risk of side effects
heady spear
Removing the thyroid is the only way to guarantee that the disease doesn't come back
I've been on drug treatment for 5 years
and that just made it worse lol
I'm 6ft
so not that tall
halcyon perch
187 would be a little more than half of me.
heady spear
Not drugs, hormone replacements. Those aren't classes as drugs in most cases
You literally just take replacement hormone as you can't produce it yourself
strange bane
idek how heavy 1lb is
heady spear
I take it already as a part of the treatment :p
stiff yarrow
so you can imagine how fat I am when I'm 220 and 1 inch below you city 
heady spear
I've been bulking and nor exercising regularly for the last 5 months
this is bad bad
I need to get down to like 75kg or I'll look like a stranded whale when going to Spain <.<
I almost don't want to pose shirtless anymore
halcyon perch
1 lb is about .5 kg
stiff yarrow
someone american units that for me
heady spear
165
that's where I feel the best
for the last couple of months I've made it to the gym 3 times a week at most
this is kinda bad, so I'm trying to get back into good habits over the summer :p
halcyon perch
I kinda like the kg system, according to that I am only 158. 😄
heady spear
You mean the system almost everyone in the entire world uses? <.<
the one that all of science uses?
halcyon perch
heheh
pulsar wigeon
wow i never thought nossr would be a fat guy
halcyon perch
yes, that system.
pulsar wigeon
tbh i always pictured him as a skinny small nerd or something
heady spear
I figured nossr would be one of those really skinny hipster guys
constantly wearing a beanie
stiff yarrow
I used to be super skinny
pulsar wigeon
yea i can see that too city
stiff yarrow
I got teased for being "anorexic" in middle school
now I enjoy a life of hamburgers
heady spear
I was anorexic in middle school .-.
when I started college I found it hard to keep out with my high school workout routine, and I gained a decent amount of weight when I went vegan
halcyon perch
I was in shape, until I got out of the military, then lack of exercise and lots of drinking had its effect on me. Now being 5 months away from 50, I don't care anymore.
heady spear
It was way more convenient to hit the gym before class, then I'd get home, eat, go for a run and then spend the rest of the day looking at myself in the mirror
stiff yarrow
@halcyon perch yeah I used to be obsessed with fitness
heady spear
Then uni happened and I started binge drinking and sleeping until 11am and uh
stiff yarrow
used to go to the gym for 3 hours a day
pulsar wigeon
i should work out tbh
not due to weight concerns, but my girlfriend gives me shit cuz my arms are twiggy af
heady spear
Once you get consistent with it, it's not that hard
pulsar wigeon
i manage my weight by managing my eating
halcyon perch
At some point I kind of decided I'd rather live a short enjoyable life partaking in all things, than a long miserable life abstaining from everything unhealthy.
pulsar wigeon
i eat like 1000-1200 cal/day
heady spear
if it's a part of your routine you won't even think about it
heady spear
You shouldn't manage your weight via exercise either way. It has a very minimal effect on your TDEE
pulsar wigeon
that keeps my weight even
on work days, lunch is ham and cheese sandwhich and a yogurt, dinner is some meat plus some veg
heady spear
I eat 1200 during competition prep, and that's extremely hard
pulsar wigeon
~165 freedom units, 6'
heady spear
at 1200 I struggle.