general

[pulsar wigeon]

weekends, brunch is a bowl of cereal, midafternoon snack is fruit or cheese and crackers, dinner is the same as usual

[heady spear]

During bulking season I'll top out at 3500kcal

then I have to eat at least 5 times a day otherwise I don't reach it at all

1200 is very little

[pulsar wigeon]

it's about how much i use i guess

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange bane]

I'm the same as wiz.

[heady spear]

It's really hard to know unless you track constantly. I tend to undershoot by a lot

[pulsar wigeon]

not really?

pretty sure bmi is normal

[heady spear]

165 is not that bad?

That's where I average at the same height

[pulsar wigeon]

are you going by american standards or something barty

[heady spear]

75 is my lowest, but even then I'm not skinny skinny .-.

[pulsar wigeon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stiff yarrow]

BMI has a lot of issues

[pulsar wigeon]

yea true

but i just got called skinny off what i assume is opinion

[heady spear]

wiz have you tried a body building routine? You can cover your entire body at 3 times a week

[pulsar wigeon]

tbh, i have hella glutes already from biking daily for a few years

everyone compliments my butt

i just gotta work on my twiggy arms

[stiff yarrow]

the reason I stopped exercising is that I got too into it, was spending too much time at the gym, etc

[heady spear]

BMI isn't bad. The only time it really fails is when you have insanely low body fat percentage

No, but most people aren't professional athletes

[pulsar wigeon]

that's the point

it fails because it can't differentiate

[heady spear]

BMI will be accurate for most people

BMI tracks percentiles

or rather, the scale does

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean i don't really have health issues so i just assume i'm healthy :^)

[heady spear]

You don't drink 5kg worth of water and retain it

if you do, you need medical attention

so water weight isn't going to make a dramatic difference either

[stiff yarrow]

I got basically a perfect bill of health on my last doc visit besides being a fatty

[heady spear]

I have high blood pressure and I workout regularly, am vegan and sleep well

[heavy rapids]

people lose a lot of weight (~60% of their weight) if you put them into an industrial dryer.

[heady spear]

being skinny doesn't make you healthy either :p

[stiff yarrow]

my blood pressure is always normal

I don't know what affects blood pressure though

[heady spear]

Being overweight can increase your blood pressure

consuming large amounts of sodium can increase it too

and not sleeping enough

[stiff yarrow]

I have a lot of stress but my blood pressure has always been normal

[heady spear]

being generally unfit

[stiff yarrow]

yeah that's the thing

I'm fat but I don't eat unhealthy things

[pulsar wigeon]

yea barty i did the math based on a few average meals

[stiff yarrow]

I just eat healthy things in large quantities

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean my lunch is pretty stable, dinner is just whatever i feel like cooking tho

but usually it's high in meat with some side of veggies, and no carbs

[heady spear]

I managed to get a decent amount of weight by going vegan, and I don't really ever eat junk food :p

[worn ember]

buff @stiff yarrow

[heady spear]

gain a *** <.<

[worn ember]

👀

[pulsar wigeon]

tf are you on about barty lol

holy fuck

i'd be a whale

also tf makes you think i'm 24 lol

wrong :P

[stiff yarrow]

@spare venture really depends on your metabolism

[heady spear]

I'm 6', 187lbs and I maintain at 2500 <.< 2500 at 165 seems a bit high lol

[stiff yarrow]

some people can eat shitloads and not put on weight

[heavy rapids]

[18:50]Cityweebstret:consuming large amounts of sodium can increase it too

I hope it's not elemental sodium, because that would make your overall pressure increase by a lot.

[pulsar wigeon]

oh

well i'm not moderatly active

i'm paid to sit at my desk 8 hours a day

[heady spear]

Moderately active is exercising properly 4/5 times a week

[stiff yarrow]

tf is elemental sodium

[heady spear]

not walking to the store

[pulsar wigeon]

then i go home and sit at my desk another 8 hours

[stiff yarrow]

my diet lately is eating lots of ramen

[pulsar wigeon]

i did

when i was in college/HS

[stiff yarrow]

but I was ordering food like a fiend a few weeks ago

[pulsar wigeon]

i biked to school daily

[stiff yarrow]

25k

[heady spear]

@heavy rapids well yeah exploding tends to do that, but stupid americans call it sodium rather than table salt 🤷

[pulsar wigeon]

hence my thighs/glutes

i don't anymore lol

hence saying i gotta work on my twiggy arms

rice is empty carbs

:^)

especially white rice

[heady spear]

I've started getting back into my workout routine again :3 I make sure to be at the gym at 5am so I don't have to have people around me

Does mean I have to go to bed at like 8pm, but that's fine

[heavy rapids]

last week I biked to the city hall in 30°C sunlight. I died.

[heady spear]

30 is pretty extreme by my standards

[heavy rapids]

nah. that's "too hot"

[pulsar wigeon]

dunno what to tell you barty, you can do the calorie math yourself

[heady spear]

In Sweden a great summer is 12 degrees, then we all run around naked absorbing the sun light

[cedar spade]

plot twist: Fahrenheit

[heady spear]

also another reason to exercise at 5am, because then it's decently cold :3

[heavy rapids]

No, Kevin

[heady spear]

who the fuck is kevin

[pulsar wigeon]

2 slices whole grain bread, .1 lb of sandwich meat + cheese (i go by slices but it's half a pound of each over a week), 1 chobani yogurt (i have this one in front of me right now, 170cal), average dinner is like some pork chop or chicken, and salad or broccoli, plus a few cups of milk over the course of the day (and lots of water) @spare venture

[cedar spade]

I don't complain about the temperature until it goes above 18 or below 20

[heavy rapids]

somebody I know once said "kevin" instead of "kelvin" and it stuck with me ever since, city

[cedar spade]

**Kevin

[heady spear]

15 Kevins

[heavy rapids]

exactly

[heady spear]

15 degrees kevins**

there we go

[heavy rapids]

15° degrees kevins's***

[heady spear]

oh, I like that

[heavy rapids]

Tea, resistance is futile

[heady spear]

No

1 degree kevin is the temperature increase of placing a dude named kevin in a 1x1x2m box for 10 minutes

[pulsar wigeon]

kelvin isn't degrees

[heady spear]

also if you unironically place the degree sign in front of the K then I will hit you with a truck

[pulsar wigeon]

^^

[cedar spade]

1500K°

[heady spear]

kelvin is an absolute unit :))))

MD is correct

no it's 15 kevin

wtf r u on about

[pulsar wigeon]

that's a lot of kevins tbh

are you sure you can take them all

[heady spear]

this room is actually 400 kevin

Oh I can take them alright 😉

[cedar spade]

@golden gust is Paper no longer "partnered" with MCForums? :p

[heady spear]

Poor Lord Kelvin doesn't even get his name capitalized :/

[pulsar wigeon]

isn't MCF getting archived

depends on where you live tbh

90F is pretty hot though for room temp

[heady spear]

But also, we use Celsius because Anders was a proper lad

[pulsar wigeon]

i wouldn't want to live there

wait what

[heady spear]

Anders was a professor at Uppsala University in 1730 :3

[pulsar wigeon]

archival has been cancelled

o-o

uh oh

tbh uhhhh

not sure how this will end up

not gonna hold my breath over it tbh

[heady spear]

neat who the fuck cares tho

[pulsar wigeon]

ooh

[cedar spade]

Minecraft Forum is the one that was about to die then got bought out last minute

[pulsar wigeon]

they own mmoc and shit

ok

[heady spear]

Anyways I'ma get ready for bed because it's 7pm

[pulsar wigeon]

that's not terrible

i had never heard of them lol

like idk if it'll be great but at least it's not a scam

mmoc is known to be the hive of scum and villany among wow fansites tbh

but that's mostly due to userbase

[cedar spade]

Magic Find is apparently the person who originally set up the Curse forum network prior to Twitch

[heavy rapids]

Fun fact: The hottest a circle can get is 360°.

[heady spear]

mmoc is so bad

[cedar spade]

what's 360°C in radians?

[heady spear]

lol MD I almost replied

[heavy rapids]

2pi°F

[cedar spade]

hELLO WHat is ten miLES IN DEcibElLs

[heavy rapids]

@cedar spade

that's... hot.

rip barty

[heady spear]

decibel isn't a unit :(((

it's a measure of ratio

that's like saying what's 10 miles in fractions

:(((

[cedar spade]

exactly

[heady spear]

no.

[cedar spade]

you're a unit

[heady spear]

Decibel is a logarithmic ratio of field quantities

Calling it a unit is dishonest

[heavy rapids]

kevin is one zeroth cooler than degree decibel

you can

but you get a log with the unit in the end

log(2m) = log(2)+log(m)

:P

[heady spear]

Logarithms have a unitless range, so no

Also, units must be conserved during dimensional analysis

[pulsar wigeon]

logs work by felling trees

duh

[heavy rapids]

well, tell that to my physics teacher who pretended all units were variables

[heady spear]

that doesn ot happen with the 1s dimension, which the logarithm belongs to

You can treat units as variables during unit/dimension analysis tbf

It's really useful

[upper flicker]

The autismo squad is back to their antics I see

[heavy rapids]

but then log(2m) = log(2)+log(m)

:P

[heady spear]

You can use the units to work backwards and find relations, which is neat

You can also use it to verify that a relation is indeed true

@upper flicker your server enables this shit

you're a part of the problem

[upper flicker]

But banning you would break up the squad

[pulsar wigeon]

Z you're autistic, is what city is trying to say

[upper flicker]

Then I’d feel bad

[heady spear]

ok true

[upper flicker]

lol

[heady spear]

if z is autistic then you're a seagull

[pulsar wigeon]

haha

[gusty idol]

MongoDB vs PostgreSQL?

[heady spear]

Well, depends.

[gusty idol]

Does MongoDB have another real advantage over Postgres besides being more easily scalable?

[heady spear]

morphia :DDD

[pulsar wigeon]

databases 🚮

[heady spear]

morphia :DDD

[pulsar wigeon]

sounds like a drug

oh

it's apparently a nickname for morphine

[heady spear]

oh

[pulsar wigeon]

is that ur drug of choice city

[heady spear]

then morphia :DDD

[pulsar wigeon]

drugs are bad kids

tbh you'll probably be on some opiate after your surgery

inb4 u become an addict

[heady spear]

the only drog I do is like, idk, prescription sleeping pills

lemme check if they're used recreationally

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zopiclone#Recreational_use
Ohhh neat

"and often combined with alcohol to achieve a combined sedative hypnotic—alcohol euphoria"

Why wasn't I informed about this?

They're also used as roofies <.<

[pulsar wigeon]

prob why they're Rx

sedative stuff tends to be pretty dangerous to mess with

[heady spear]

these are the only reason I'm able to be at the gym at 5am :p

no normal person falls asleep at 8pm lol

[merry talon]

@gusty idol depends on your data set

[stiff yarrow]

@heady spear I'd be careful since most the time those kind of drugs can easily kill you with alcohol

[wide hazel]

@meager perch that looks like a nightmare. I'll take a look, thanks!

[heady spear]

Ye, I don’t really drink and I wouldn’t drink while taking sleeping pills

Seems like a kinda dumb way to go

Also, if I’m drinking I wouldn’t wanna be sleepy, what a waste of alcohol

[wide hazel]

But first..

[pulsar wigeon]

coffee is the worst drug tbh

extremely widespread, extremely addictive

drastically alters brain chemistry in short amount of time

[heavy rapids]

I've tried coffee numerous times but I just don't like it

[pulsar wigeon]

and worst of all, completely legal for minors to obtain and consume

[heavy rapids]

tell me what's wrong with me

[pulsar wigeon]

yea honestly coffee is gross

🚮

[heavy rapids]

so it's supposed to be gross? 🤔

[pulsar wigeon]

nah

i'd rather not drink it at all

sleeping at work is totally acceptable for me :^)

sorry i forgot the :^)

if the following lines didn't reek of sarcasm enough

though they are not wrong technically

[wide hazel]

But it is delicious

[limber knot]

IRC is the worst drug.

[pulsar wigeon]

you probably set your flags wrong

worked fine in all my testing

yea

[heady spear]

Actually, you build up tolerance for caffeine very quickly

[pulsar wigeon]

yea, another reason it's a really bad drug

my boss drinks like 8-10 cups each morning

gross af

[heady spear]

After a certain point it just blocks out the withdrawal symptoms rather than having any true stimulating effects

[wide hazel]

That's too much

[heady spear]

That’s why you often cycle off caffeine if you take it as a pre workout

[wide hazel]

Of your boss drank 8-10 cups of water each morning I would also be concerned

Has nothing to do with coffee at that point

[fallen oracle]

Just do 2 shots of vodka, and you're good to go.

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean, beside it being gross

and developing a dependence

^^

you can also quit smoking

i mean, damage to your lungs aside

[fallen oracle]

I never really picked up smoking. Never found it relaxing so I didn't want to start a new addiction.

[heady spear]

Caffeine activates the noradrenaline receptors

That’s why it makes you feel alert

Not the sleep receptors, quite the opposite?

[pulsar wigeon]

i'm straight edge so i just like shitting on people who use any sort of drugs/alcohol so i can feel superior obv :^)

[heady spear]

Alsoooooo isn’t caffeine intoxicating like a real thing as well?

[stiff yarrow]

I don't drink coffee regularly but I used to drink tea regularly which has caffeine in it

[heady spear]

Ye so increasing the dosage can definitely lead to problems

Idk I’ve consumed around 400mg per day for years, which is often cited as the safe limit. It’s pretty hard to avoid if you buy premixed pwos

Idk I get heart palpitations quite often so I try to stay relatively low

[pulsar wigeon]

^^

my sister had to wean off coffee for a while cuz she was getting heart palpitations

[heady spear]

I take medication for that tho and it’s not related to caffeine really

In my case that is

But it can make it worse

There still isn’t a lot of conclusive research on it

Also ye I was wrong about the mechanism, I looked in the IB book and the source was from 1993

[pulsar wigeon]

IB education LUL

[heady spear]

So it is very possible we’ve learned more since then

Either way, 400 works fine for me and I’ve never really needed to go above that

There are some preworkouts that contain 400 per dose tho, those are kinda dumb imo

They also contain a lot of other shit that doesn’t make sense in pwos

Like beta alanine, which gives you that skin crawling sensation

People take it because they think it’s a sign of it working. It doesn’t do anything for bodybuilding types of workouts

[fallen oracle]

I don't typically go for the caffine but I know with monsters, 4 cans is like the max amount you should have a day in terms of caffine.

[heady spear]

It’s only effective if taking regularly for months, and only for high endurance type of activities

1 can of monster is nearly 200mg

[fallen oracle]

I never used preworkout, I just do a regular protein drink after working out.

[heady spear]

4 cans would be around 700, that’s quite a lot

[fallen oracle]

Indeed, that is a lot.

[heady spear]

I don’t take PWOs that often anymore, I mostly just drink a cup of coffee lol

I don’t find that they do anything for me. Sometimes I’ll add taurine tho

[fallen oracle]

I do GFUEL sometimes too.

[stiff yarrow]

@pulsar wigeon heart palpitations from coffee

[heady spear]

I also take creatine because it’s cheap and it might do something

We don’t know how useful it is, but it does increase water retention in the muscle cells

So at least you look bigger lol

Also something something something increased ATP turnover something something regular consumption something something

[heavy rapids]

speaking of food and drinks

I'm gonna get wasted on salted butter, cyal8r

[heady spear]

Yay say hi to the heart disease from me!

[heavy rapids]

sure

[heady spear]

Also nossr health palpitations from caffeine isn’t that odd. Some people are really sensitive

[heady spear]

During high school I’d get them very often and it’s a really creepy feeling

[heady spear]

You can feel literally every heartbeat and it can get pretty distracting

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/JVoCtp8.png

worth.

[pulsar wigeon]

wat

what's the first thing

i'm confused why these are two different things

and one is 4x the price

[wide hazel]

we were discussing bluetooth thermometers earlier

[pulsar wigeon]

and why the fuck is it called "iGri..".....bluetooth

really

fuck this i'm done. nothing more to say about this

[wide hazel]

the thermometer capacity for four probes, comes with two

second one is an ambient probe rather than the two direct ones

[pulsar wigeon]

yea no that's ok

everything made sense

once i realized this was a gadget™

[wide hazel]

lol

[pulsar wigeon]

explains the pricing, distribution model, name, etc

[wide hazel]

need some steak with that salt? I'll be making some tomorrow

[pulsar wigeon]

999 monitor stand btw. that's the mindset

tbh i don't eat steak much

despite being mostly carnivorous, i stick to chicken and pork most of the time

and when i do beef, it's mostly ground beef in meatballs or lasagna

[wide hazel]

dunno how you got 999 monitor stand out of a bluetooth thermometer but hey 😛

[fallen oracle]

Oh hey you bought it.

Awesome.

[wide hazel]

indeed!

was quite serious about that

[fallen oracle]

The meat yesterday turned out super yummy.

Oooo, $15 for about 20 programming books. https://www.humblebundle.com/books/programming-packt-books?hmb_source=navbar&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=tile_index_2

[limber knot]

is there any option to unload the "inative chunks"?

[pulsar wigeon]

yes, update to 1.14.3

[halcyon perch]

?? inative is a new word for me

[fallen oracle]

I think he meant inactive.

[halcyon perch]

ahhh

[limber knot]

yes

[halcyon perch]

don't chunks unload when no one is in the area keeping them active? They do on my server.

[pulsar wigeon]

in general, there's some issues tho in current versions

like the one leaf reported to mojang in a private issue

which will hopefully be fixed by 1.14.3, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[halcyon perch]

uggh

I'm about to wipe everything out and just go with my original plan of setting up 1.12.2

not really, but sheesh

[fallen oracle]

Just go 1.7.10 to satisfy everyone.

[halcyon perch]

and then put in viaversion and fake that I am 1.14 ready... it works for the big networks

[fallen oracle]

Yup

[halcyon perch]

Brokkoli I found a related discussion: https://hub.spigotmc.org/jira/browse/SPIGOT-5046

I know paper is not spigot, but it has some good info

[wide hazel]

@sturdy fulcrum never mind on the DeluxeChat, I just bought it

[fallen oracle]

Yeet

[wide hazel]

need to figure this issue out

[fallen oracle]

Good choice.

[wide hazel]

someone had the plugin and apparently it's causing issues with 2FA+

so I need a copy to test it

just bought it instead

[fallen oracle]

Clip might have enough money now to rent the boat for us.

[pulsar wigeon]

buying premium plugins 🚮

if some premium closed source plugin is causing issues with mine, that it's problem :^)

[wide hazel]

well, I asked for a testing copy, but that's alright

[pulsar wigeon]

then again, if anything is having issues with WE/WG, that's their problem

being the big bully gives you that power :^)

[heavy rapids]

unless it's paper

:P

[pulsar wigeon]

eh, not even probably

[spiral garden]

do you remember those cancer unicode nicknames from the skype days?

[pulsar wigeon]

skype days?

have you not paid attention to discord?

[heavy rapids]

they're alive and well in discord

lol

[pulsar wigeon]

^

[spiral garden]

no but I mean I thought i wouldn't see them used by people I actually know (whereas they were rampant back when I used Skype)

[heavy rapids]

back when I used skype emojis in system fonts weren't a thing

so it arguably has become worse

[spiral garden]

well I had put too much trust on my friends i guess

[sturdy fulcrum]

bruh if ur just testing why

[sturdy fulcrum]

dm me

@wide hazel

[spiral garden]

and now it's 18% more annoying to mention them on mobile

[wide hazel]

oh, my plugins do well enough, but I actually care about them so I try to fix issues 😛

oh, nice!

thanks

I have friend/DM restrictions on

[pulsar wigeon]

but I actually care about them so I try to fix issues 😛
are you implying something?

[wide hazel]

😉

[pulsar wigeon]

also like, if shit is breaking my plugins it's 100% their fault

[wide hazel]

to be fair, WG is solid

[pulsar wigeon]

we're pretty fucking isolated

[wide hazel]

so if anything has issues it's likely not WG

[pulsar wigeon]

most common conflict with WG is other plugins uncancelling events

or acting on cancelled events

[wide hazel]

I don't have that confidence level in plugins I just recently made major updates to

[pulsar wigeon]

which is, as mentioned, 100% their problem

we're not about to rewrite bukkit's event loop just to deal with plugins that don't respect event cancellation

:^)

[limber knot]

working on menus and customization options is making me want to kill myself

why is this all so painful

[gusty idol]

@merry talon It would be for a basic web app that I would code the backend of in Go

I don't I would store much else than user accounts and messages

[merry talon]

then mongo is probably overkill

[heavy rapids]

mongodb is webscale

.g mongodb is webscale

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) http://www.mongodb-is-web-scale.com/ -- MongoDB is web scale: "'MongoDB is web scale'. A humorous conversation between a NoSQL fanboy and a more cautious, conventional database developer."

[void void]

Over you're making a webapp but dont know what it will do?

Recipe for disaster

[limber knot]

s/disaster/the next fortnite battle royale!

Correction, <DiscordBot> <03s​im​pl​e> Recipe for the next fortnite battle royale!

[heavy rapids]

oof

[limber knot]

game on my gamer

when I say fort you say nite

FORT

[heavy rapids]

DAB

[limber knot]

don't let anyone know but I have the next fortnite

I call it

fortnite 2

[pulsar wigeon]

lmfao

[heavy rapids]

fortnite 2 electric boogaloo

[pulsar wigeon]

that mongo piece is 💯 🔥

[heavy rapids]

yeah

[void void]

Had you never seen that before wiz?

[limber knot]

hm mongo doesn't write to db when you ask it to?

sounds fun to debug

I should tell my bank to use it, see how many time I can give me 10 million dollars before the db catches up

[pulsar wigeon]

implying such a transaction would even be successful the first time

[heavy rapids]

your bank probably uses COBOL on IBM mainframes

[pulsar wigeon]

^^

[void void]

(actually yes)

(thats not even a fucking joke)

[pulsar wigeon]

yup

banks are like the number 1 case of "if it aint broke, dont fix it"

trying to switch systems would cause more disasters than sticking with cobol ever could

[heavy rapids]

that's why COBOL programmer is one of the best paid jobs in IT.

the people who wrote it are dead

and most people haven't even heard of COBOL

[void void]

We had an access database manager in our bank and he used to be a cobol programmer but said he had enough of that shit so now he just makes MS Access databases

He's living the life

[heavy rapids]

where I live, wire transfers via online banking are only processed during work hours

so have fun trying to transfer funds on a friday evening

[pulsar wigeon]

is making MS access dbs really living the life tho?

that sounds pretty shitty too tbh

[void void]

i mean, he gets paid a shitload

[pulsar wigeon]

yea fair

[void void]

And he can whip them out like no problem

[wide hazel]

@meager perch this one? https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/advanced-achievements.6239/

[void void]

https://puu.sh/DHfC6/368fc793e5.png

[spice geyser]

Hi, is there a setting for especially „only lightning cause NO fire“?

If yes, where can I find this parameter?

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/PppEGQ7.png

alright them

[pulsar wigeon]

catch BlockIgniteEvent, if it's IgniteCause.LIGHTNING, cancel it

[void void]

i highly doubt that man is a programmer

[pulsar wigeon]

yea ik

[wide hazel]

Skript?

[pulsar wigeon]

but that's a very plugin-territory question :P

[wide hazel]

@meager perch PLib or no?

[void void]

true

Alright I'm gonna go fuck off and try to do something for my birthday

pce

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean, he could just use WorldGuard

[spice geyser]

I am programmer 😅 but not Java, an yes i mean a simple Setting

[pulsar wigeon]

has a prevent-lightning-fire option in config

[wide hazel]

okay, no PLib then

[pulsar wigeon]

:^)

[ornate spindle]

so what would happen to a patch if I said it caused a ton of lag?

[pulsar wigeon]

what patch

wow barty

[spice geyser]

Sorry I not nativ english speaker

[ornate spindle]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/Spigot-Server-Patches/0037-Send-absolute-position-the-first-time-an-entity-is-s.patch this one

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean, it was probably created to fix some issue yive, so idk?

like, maybe a cfg setting for it

[wide hazel]

@meager perch https://i.imgur.com/WSUpXM7.png
alright, let's try with PLib then

[pulsar wigeon]

not sure what the point of it is to begin with

[ornate spindle]

none of my players have complained about so far after removing it

[spice geyser]

So there is no setting, that chat goes a Little fast 😅

[pulsar wigeon]

welteinz, as mentioned, paper isn't a protection plugin

[spice geyser]

A ok

Thx

[pulsar wigeon]

you can either use the event/mechanism i described, or use a plugin that can do it for you, as i described

[golden gust]

There's an MC issue around it, but I don't recall what it is

[pulsar wigeon]

(i mean if you already run worldguard, might as well use it)

[spice geyser]

Event mechanism in a commandblock?

[pulsar wigeon]

lul

commandblocks

[golden gust]

Basically the server doesn't always send an absolute position packet or something, they might have even fixed the underlying issue tbh \o/

[heavy rapids]

that'd be a funny plugin

basically skript

but with command blocks

[pulsar wigeon]

funny plugin

[spice geyser]

:/

[pulsar wigeon]

you mean a terrible idea

[heavy rapids]

stares at "Create New Repository"

[spice geyser]

Ok i am officially wrong here

[heavy rapids]

the two are not that far apart wiz

[wide hazel]

@meager perch latest Paper, latest plugin versions, default configs
https://i.imgur.com/nAY2mBJ.png

[spice geyser]

I am a uber noob

[wide hazel]

Java 1.8 (Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM 25.211-b12) Host: Windows 10 10.0 (amd64)

[spice geyser]

In Minecraft scripting

[wide hazel]

This server is running Paper version git-Paper-90 (MC: 1.14.2) (Implementing API version 1.14.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT)

[spice geyser]

I thougt you could cancel it with commandblocks

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/czRI6kJ.png

I also tried without PLib

[native thunder]

Oh hey egg. You had anyone report an issue where everyone that tries to connect gets kicked with "you are already connected to this proxy"

Using avpn on bungee

[wide hazel]

I haven't, no

[native thunder]

I'm don't think it's specifically your plugin but some interaction

[wide hazel]

and people wonder why I enable automated error reporting

[native thunder]

Haha. I just haven't had time to report it sorry

[wide hazel]

no worries

[heady spear]

That sounds a lot like a backdoor

[wide hazel]

it sounds a lot like logback 😛

[heady spear]

Backdoor!!

[wide hazel]

lol

[heavy rapids]

🚪

[wide hazel]

I thought I was kicking people properly on Bungee

but apparently I'm not

that's the second kick issue Bungee-related that I've seen

[heady spear]

Just close the connection. And the proxyc

Fuck spelling lel

Turn off the entire machine

Then they can't reconnect!

[wide hazel]

PlayerLoginEvent
...
event.setResult(PlayerLoginEvent.Result.KICK_OTHER);
event.setKickMessage(config.get().getNode("kick", "message").getString(""));

I mean

that should be fine, right?

oh, that's for Bukkit

let's see..

[native thunder]

It hasn't always happened.

It only started lately

[wide hazel]

ah, Bungee, right here.

PostLoginEvent
...
event.getPlayer().disconnect(new TextComponent(config.get().getNode("kick", "message").getString("")));

hmm

I mean, I haven't seen a better way in the API

am I missing something?

[native thunder]

And I'm fairly certain it's not because of kicking. I have the bypass node and I have the same issue

[wide hazel]

oh, not the plugin then for sure

if the plugin didn't kick you, then it does nothing

if (event.getPlayer().hasPermission("avpn.bypass")) {
...
    return;
}

[native thunder]

I'll try to get a proper big report to you this week

[wide hazel]

less logging, that's all it does

might be a proxy issue

you use Waterfall?

fucking hell

alright

fine, guess I'll get that then

[heady spear]

Don't swear

You'll scare the kids away

[wide hazel]

it's fine

I'll figure this out

this one?
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/♣-chatcontrol-pro™-format-and-filter-your-chat-1-7-10-1-14-2.10258/

well, the author isn't in any Discords I'm in

so

[heady spear]

While you are it, do sign up for SpigotCourse

[pulsar wigeon]

every plugin is gpl anyway

^

[wide hazel]

oh, wait

searched for the wrong person

[heady spear]

And learn how to make money from plugins!

[wide hazel]

I make better plugins than the premium ones. Don't need the money.

[stiff yarrow]

what author?

[wide hazel]

oh that's nice

[pulsar wigeon]

How 2 make money from plugins:
break other people's plugins so their devs have to buy your premium plugin to test

kangarko

[heady spear]

SpigotCourse will teach you how to be successful too!

[heavy rapids]

mcmmo, nossr. :D

[wide hazel]

ohh

[heavy rapids]

jk ❤

[wide hazel]

welp

probably buying the plugin then

[pulsar wigeon]

don't

[heavy rapids]

wiz you might be onto something

[pulsar wigeon]

fuck that guy

[stiff yarrow]

Oh hes actually selling a course

that's an interesting business angle

[heady spear]

He kinda sucks lol

[pulsar wigeon]

yea we weren't fucking kidding nossr

[wide hazel]

how else am I going to fix this bug?

[pulsar wigeon]

guy is preying on retard server owners AND retard developers honestly

have someone who owns the plugin give it to you

[heady spear]

The course teaches people how to rely on his APIs for literally everything

[pulsar wigeon]

they are 100% in their legal right to do so

[wide hazel]

@meager perch mind sending me a copy then?

[stiff yarrow]

@wide hazel I would contact him and ask for a gifted copy stating you are using it to solve a bug

[wide hazel]

friends-only

[stiff yarrow]

[wide hazel]

I will

[pulsar wigeon]

fuck that nossr honestly

[heady spear]

He is no position to teach anyone anything

[acoustic pilot]

It's a pretty awful plugin, even though it's obfuscated out the ass, you can tell it's trash.

[stiff yarrow]

I sent the EWG a DM asking for a copy to check a bug but I never got a reply

[heady spear]

Isnt he like gone

Does he still exist?

[half nebula]

Anyone know of a Mending nerf plugin like this mod? https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/unmending

[heady spear]

I genuinely think he was abducted by aliens

[pulsar wigeon]

EWG is trash yea

idk why people would spend $40 on that

[heady spear]

Oh, so he's alive?

Then what's his excuse?

Awesome

[acoustic pilot]

I have dead plugins, this is why I don't make them premium. I hate that support commitment

[heady spear]

^

[pulsar wigeon]

there is no commitment beyond your own morals tho

[heady spear]

I still feel bad about abandoning projects tho

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/XMkYUWp.png
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD THE BUG APPEARS!

[acoustic pilot]

My morals dictate that if I charge someone for a plugin, I should continue supporting it for a while

[heady spear]

Yeah, his code doesn't work at all

[golden gust]

the bug?

[pulsar wigeon]

you're allowed to upload a $40 plugin and just not touch it ever again byte

yea, like i said, just your own morals

[heady spear]

It's broken at the point of sale.

[wide hazel]

@golden gust ben tracking down a bastard of a bug for two days now

holy mother of fucking god

I can actually diagnose this

[pulsar wigeon]

time to decompile chatcontrol premium

[wide hazel]

ah

fuck.

[acoustic pilot]

Not that it would help much

It's obfuscated out the ass

[pulsar wigeon]

o boi

time to yell at kangarko

didn't it only appear when going from chat control reg to premium?

[golden gust]

You mean the logger tabs?

[wide hazel]

not a goddamned clue

[golden gust]

It's probably mangingly with a formatter or something somewhere

[pulsar wigeon]

huh

[golden gust]

I know paper makes it more fun due to our own logging changes

[wide hazel]

it's exactly this combination of plugins
https://i.imgur.com/7SVfJBL.png

[pulsar wigeon]

he means "initializing 0 apis"

[heavy rapids]

oof

looks like my ISP broke

almost anything pings to death

discord works

[native thunder]

I'm using waterfall ya

[heavy rapids]

as does google

nothing else

[wide hazel]

@golden gust the bug turns this
https://i.imgur.com/nAY2mBJ.png
into this
https://i.imgur.com/XMkYUWp.png

[heavy rapids]

and the bug only occurs when other plugins are present? oO

[wide hazel]

when exactly those plugins are present

exactly those ones

with the premium

[heavy rapids]

now that's a fuckup if I've ever seen one

or malicious intent ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide hazel]

no idea how that could possibly work

[acoustic pilot]

Likely something's just silently failing in the presence of a conflicting plugin

Would have to really see that loading code probably

[wide hazel]

yeah, I added some debug code to the reflections

let's find out

[fallen oracle]

Fuck yeah @cosmic raft got some Katy Perry on the playlist.

[limber knot]

Mojang is trying to hold a call with community members and their discord server goes down

Coincidence? I don't think so! 😂

[acoustic pilot]

probably the official discord guild if i had to guess

[pulsar wigeon]

it's it like 8-9pm in sweden?

9:30

[limber knot]

Yes

It crashes because an admin created a new role 😂

#dumcord

Wiz the community managers are in redmond

[wide hazel]

Without ChatControl
https://i.imgur.com/q4bsjJG.png
With ChatControl
https://i.imgur.com/IQl3SDe.png

okay

what

[native thunder]

Discord is using that webscale Cassandra

[wide hazel]

the fuck?

            if (!clazz.equals(next) && !clazz.isAssignableFrom(next)) {
                logger.info("Excluding non-assignable " + next.getName());
                continue;
            }

eye twitch

[acoustic pilot]

how is the class loaded

sounds like some funkiness with classloading

[wide hazel]

inside the child CL

it's probably somehow my CL, but not sure how

[acoustic pilot]

you're using a custom CL? then probably yes

[wide hazel]

you would think, but also

why would it only happen with other plugins present?

[limber knot]

Well, the call was delayed till next week and some discord engineer apperently promised that that will not happen again

But like, Minecraft's discord is the largest, they are encountering extremely strange issues

they literally have hundreds of thousands of users don't they

[wide hazel]

including me

[limber knot]

ok hundreds of thousands of users and one luser

[acoustic pilot]

Not sure really how it could happen, maybe another plugin is loading the class, dunno why it's not assignable still, tho

Does it work if you change the load order?

Reverse the current plugin load order between yours and ChatControl

[wide hazel]

using a loadbefore or something?

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah

[limber knot]

so wait mojang tried to do a voice chat in their server with hundreds of thousands of people?

you might as well try to hold a conversation with white noise

[wide hazel]

yeah, let's try that

[acoustic pilot]

Using loadbefore or depend, depending on if your plugin currently loads before or after ChatControl

[pulsar wigeon]

i would guess everyone was muted except for the CMs

[wide hazel]

seems to load after

[pulsar wigeon]

and questions would be submitted via chat or some form and filtered

[acoustic pilot]

okay so yeah you'll wanna try loadbefore

[pulsar wigeon]

but yea sounds like a dumb idea anyway

[limber knot]

it's a profoundly dumb idea

[native thunder]

Discord is paying them off

[limber knot]

then discord is also profoundly dumb

[pulsar wigeon]

retards all the way down :^)

[native thunder]

I wouldn't want to be in the office of whatever engineer just promised it'd work next week

[wide hazel]

okay, loadbefore enabled

[native thunder]

Crunch time

[wide hazel]

let's try this

[limber knot]

they should upload a file near the file size limit and ask everyone to spam the download button

let's just crash the whole thing

[halcyon perch]

I have ChatControl Pro, but willing to try others if there is a better one out there.

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/X7hfDdt.png
@acoustic pilot I'LL BEDAMNED

having Anti-VPN load before ChatControl works

THE FUCK?!

[acoustic pilot]

Well, I guess it makes sense if ChatControl is the offender

So at least you confirmed iti s

[wide hazel]

how?

how does?

what?

sdlkjfnvsd

[acoustic pilot]

Wonder if you can get anything out of its onEnable if you decompile

[wide hazel]

what??

what?????

[pulsar wigeon]

is loadbefore actually load before or enable before?

are you load: startup?

[acoustic pilot]

Hm, not sure actually

[wide hazel]

it's both loads and enabled before

[acoustic pilot]

I'm guessing it's enable before

Oh, okay

[wide hazel]

apparently

[pulsar wigeon]

tbh we need to replace everything that came out of kangarko

[acoustic pilot]

Well, onLoad() and onEnable() then

[pulsar wigeon]

except spigot course, that can just 🚮

[acoustic pilot]

If we could see what ChatControl is doing in those methods

[wide hazel]

but HOW

[halcyon perch]

I picked it because it was the least bloated and only tried to do one thing, unlike a lot of these other chat plugins

[wide hazel]

does that work like that?

what in the absolute fuck is going on with that?

decompiler time!

Luyten hasn't failed me yet

[acoustic pilot]

Procyon (or at least Luyten) seems to struggle with decompiling it.

[pulsar wigeon]

struggle how?

tbh javap is best decompiler :^)

[acoustic pilot]

Just hangs trying to decompile it lol

[acoustic pilot]

Using Luyten 0.5.4

[wide hazel]

yeah

same

shit

[acoustic pilot]

Oh, but my Luyten is a little outdated, they released a new 0.5.4 with an updated Procyon

like 11 days ago

doubt it'll change anything, but could try

[wide hazel]

time to try that

git clone to the rescue

[acoustic pilot]

same issue with latest Luyten/Pocyon

Procyon, even

[wide hazel]

hmm

could try good 'ol jd-gui

[visual sluice]

Bytecode Viewer? that has 4-5 decomplier bundled as I reacall it (last update 3 days ago)

[limber knot]

^-^, yes, they have 350k users. No, not everyone was invited, it's a private channel with like 30 ppl I guess?

[acoustic pilot]

Seems to work with JD-GUI

[limber knot]

Try helix, it offers a whole suite of decompilers at your fingertips

[wide hazel]

sorta works with jd-gui

internal errors for me

although I have an outdated version

[limber knot]

Send me a spigot pm with the plugin and I can decompile it romoorw at work 😂

350k users

that's a bit much innit

for a chatroom service

Well, it's the largest

[ornate spindle]

obfuscation is the bane of mc

[cosmic raft]

Yes @fallen oracle

I'm at the mall looking for a new wallet right now

So many choices

[limber knot]

Take a cashless

[cosmic raft]

I have cash all the time though

[native thunder]

That's my problem with modern wallets. I carry cash

My country is still primarily cash based

But you have all these slim wallets for cards and shit

Gimme a fat wallet

[halcyon perch]

My wallet is always cashless

[cosmic raft]

Yes that's a thing

Lol

[acoustic pilot]

I've pretty much completely switch to Android Pay for any physical payments now

[cosmic raft]

I just can't decide on a leather one or a fabric one

[acoustic pilot]

Most places here seem to accept contactless payment

[native thunder]

They all come with rfid shielding too

[acoustic pilot]

nice

[cosmic raft]

Leather vs fabric

Why? :p

[acoustic pilot]

Fuck the leather industry

[pulsar wigeon]

duct tape!

[ancient bolt]

I had a wallet from Australia that was kangaroo leather

Was nice

[cosmic raft]

Is what I am considering

[ancient bolt]

Now I have a weirdly shaped thin wallet for my front pocket

[cosmic raft]

Heh

[wide hazel]

looks good @cosmic raft !

trying to download the latest version of jd-gui

Windows is failing me, here

[cosmic raft]

I want it in black though

Asking if they have it in black

[wide hazel]

leather stain

it looks waxed

[heavy rapids]

jd-gui

imo procyon-decompiler is better

[wide hazel]

likely protected

I'm trying them all honestly

https://i.imgur.com/edB7hU3.png

this takes forever sometimes

[cosmic raft]

Lol

Virus scanning

[wide hazel]

yeah

[acoustic pilot]

That's Chrome's shitty scanning

Never takes that long in Firefox

[wide hazel]

I already have Mbam scan things :/

[cosmic raft]

Firefox is bae

Switched at the beginning of the year

[heavy rapids]

fast but no gui https://bitbucket.org/mstrobel/procyon/wiki/Java Decompiler

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/umthjlx.png

aha!

oh, jesus.

[acoustic pilot]

yeah, it mostly works in JD-GUI

and also has clickable references

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/KSTpHkR.png

yep.

reasonable imports

[placid thicket]

do any of you guy have hotmail/outlook? i cant access the site and am trying to confirm its not just me

[acoustic pilot]

Works fine for me

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/TIBOmIa.png

totally readable.

yep.

[placid thicket]

hmm... that's frustrating...

[jade mountain]

you realise that's the point, right? :p

[wide hazel]

I do 😛

whew boy though

[placid thicket]

was expecting an important email today too >.>

[acoustic pilot]

Could probably set it up locally with Thunderbird + IMAP if it's just not being able to use the web interface.

[placid thicket]

seems to be working on mobile for once in my life so there is that

[woven otter]

@wide hazel is that supposed to be some shitty obfuscation

[wide hazel]

I mean

clearly it's doing its job

absolutely unreadable garbage

[cosmic raft]

Yeah I can't decide on which one to get now. I was pretty set on getting the black one but now I dunno

Lol

[halcyon perch]

@jade mountain are you the the artist of Luckperms?

[cosmic raft]

He is

[wide hazel]

arteest

[pulsar wigeon]

how tf is that even valid code lol

U.super.native

U.throw.const

[wide hazel]

honestly I have no idea

[halcyon perch]

Very awesome plugin. The best.

[pulsar wigeon]

oh

wait that makes sense

keywords are only source-reserved

not bytecode reserved

[wide hazel]

jesus

[pulsar wigeon]

you can have identifiers with the same name as keywords in bytecode

[wide hazel]

nightmares

[pulsar wigeon]

so U.throw.const is essentially U.field1.subobjectField1

[wide hazel]

VERY good obfuscator. Unfortunately.

[acoustic pilot]

Surprised JD-GUI or decompilers in general don't have a "filter" mode that can replace illegal source identifiers with something valid

[wide hazel]

@vernal moth want to take a look at it?

[acoustic pilot]

remap is a better word

[wide hazel]

probably

he just wanted the link though

was just gonna send him the Spigot page

[woven otter]

i'm surprised there aren't better decompilers out there tbh

[wide hazel]

decompiling is supposedly a black-art anyway

supposedly

[vernal moth]

Yeah, am in bed, just send me a spigot pm and I can take a look in office in like 8 hours

[wide hazel]

sounds good

[vernal moth]

I have my whole deobfuscation suit setup at work 😂

[wide hazel]

hah

well, I have my DMs on frenz-only

[jade mountain]

it's a shame samczsun stopped working on his deobfuscator

i guess just got bored of it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide hazel]

does suck though

I have no idea how in tf that plugin is messing with my CL and Reflections

[pulsar wigeon]

by the look of the code

it's messing with literally everything

🚮

[jade mountain]

pming the author is your best bet

but yes

that ^

lol

[wide hazel]

yikes

[pulsar wigeon]

trying to reason with kangarko is probably futile

[wide hazel]

obfuscation sucks

[pulsar wigeon]

he's retarded

[jade mountain]

lmao

[wide hazel]

should I just add the loadbefore and call it a day then?

[pulsar wigeon]

wouldn't mind if he just dropped off the face of MC development as a whole

[limber knot]

The deobfuscator is good enough to deobfuscate basically anything

[heavy rapids]

mh

[wide hazel]

since it only seems to affect loading after?

[limber knot]

Even with bad asm skills like me

[heavy rapids]

is there currently any reliable way to unit test bukkit plugins

[limber knot]

Just do it like you unit test any other code?

[wide hazel]

yeah, basically

[acoustic pilot]

^

just mock the shit you need

[limber knot]

Just need to have proper units and mocks which is a pain

[wide hazel]

yeah

[limber knot]

Mockbukkit can help with dummy classes

[heavy rapids]

mh kay

yeah, I've seen mockbukkit

[wide hazel]

oh, nice, there's mocks for Bukkit already

[heavy rapids]

I made something similar a while ago

[wide hazel]

that would have been harder

[heavy rapids]

but it's nowhere near finished, but it worked for some plugins of mine

https://gitlab.com/fuchsbau/Mokkit

[limber knot]

@meager perch nah, am a normal software developer/architect for a big insurance corp

[wide hazel]

plugins like ChatControl are the reason I use a child CL though, so that frustrates me

[heavy rapids]

I wonder if I should put more time into it

[limber knot]

But I spend some of my time for personal stuff cause I can

my because I don't have enough free time, lol

[wide hazel]

you'd think by virtue of loading everything I need into my own little container I'd be safe enough

[limber knot]

@L​or​dK​or​ea​ nice 404 :P

As I said, personal stuff, cracking spigot plugins mostly 😂

[wide hazel]

lol

[limber knot]

But I mean, I did reverse engineer our CMS

Fucking pile of shit

[wide hazel]

one of many reasons I just said "fuck it" to non-open-source code

[heavy rapids]

phoenix I failed putting the correct link down

thought I had it in my namespace

but it's actually in the namespace of an organization

[acoustic pilot]

Well, if you do too much CL magic, even with good intentions, it could probably backfire and this might be one of those cases.

[heavy rapids]

but code-wise it's pretty much 404 rn anyways

[wide hazel]

honestly my plan for my one paid plugin is to open-source it and just offer the download as a paid resource

"I built it for you, pay me money" type of thing

"I ran mvn package"

[limber knot]

And you pay for support

[wide hazel]

"give money"

[heavy rapids]

dear god I need AC

[wide hazel]

basically

[limber knot]

No sure if I would offer support on GitHub for a paid resource

Unless it's PRs

But like, I hate users

With a passion

I am the only one in my team who hasn't been dispatcher for a week yet

[heavy rapids]

knowing users, I can understand that sentiment

[limber knot]

My boss fear me reacting to customers

Even tho they are all internal

[acoustic pilot]

GH was never a place for support any way, unless you consider fixing bugs, discussing feature enhancements and PRs to be support

[limber knot]

And like, some of you know me and how I interact with ppl online

[acoustic pilot]

Fixing bugs should be an implicit duty regardless of who reports it

[limber knot]

Then you can imagine how I deal with ppl at work

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/KL6S9H5.png

fixed

fuck it

[acoustic pilot]

Wait until Plan or PlaceholderAPI add a depend or softdepend on ChatControl

I wonder what the behavior wuold be 😃

[wide hazel]

lol

[pulsar wigeon]

implementation detail™

bukkit plugin loader 🚮

[limber knot]

it would through a circular dependency exception afaik

[wide hazel]

ChatControl softdpepends Plan

and Placeholder I think

[pulsar wigeon]

wtf is Plan anyway

what a dumb plugin name tbh

[wide hazel]

player analytics

graphs

charts

pretty pictures

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah Plan sucks, clearly Planal is better.

^_^

[pulsar wigeon]

🚮

if the fact that it had 8 badges wasn't enough to tell you it's a steaming pile of 💩, the badges actually tell you

[limber knot]

I mean it hosts a webserver on your bukkit/bungee server, what's there not to like? Oo

[pulsar wigeon]

why would you bother adding that bullshit if it's just gonna tell everyone how bad your code is

[acoustic pilot]

o boi, web server in Bukkit lol

[void void]

Wow that's cancer

When did oracle start requiring account logins/signups to download the JDK ?

[limber knot]

since OpenJDK became the standard

Oracle aims to only do commercial support in the future

[void void]

Ew.

[limber knot]

just use https://adoptopenjdk.net

[void void]

🔖

[wide hazel]

@meager perch check my Jenkins

Probably built by now

No prob

[halcyon perch]

I am glad I have an oracle account

[acoustic pilot]

Why? Practically nothing has changed.

OpenJDK provided through AdoptOpenJDK is possibly even better

[halcyon perch]

Possibly, I have been looking into it a bit, but the 6 month release cycle is a bit much

[void void]

OpenJDK ftw

[halcyon perch]

and from what I understand Oracle Java still has better performance than OpenJDK

[acoustic pilot]

Then you understand incorrectly.

[halcyon perch]

very possible, I am never afraid to admit when I am wrong. 😃

[limber knot]

OpenJDK is basically developing everything nowadays, Oracle doesn't really do much iirc

[acoustic pilot]

Yep, for recent JDK versions especially the gap is tiny

[limber knot]

or well, "the team behind OpenJDK and Oracle not really participating" would be more exact I guess?