what is this sorcery
#general
void void
pulsar wigeon
worldedit has a server side CUI via structure blocks
that's unrelated to the client mod which mikro is updating
void void
austere ivy
ha
I was right >:D
OH via structure blocks? Very smart wiz, I wouldn't have thought to use that effect.
strange bane
I'm not even sure what that is.
austere ivy
Structure blocks are vanilla's schematics.
Copy, pasting, and I use it to make maps stuff because you can activate it with redstone.
Very useful for, say, mirrors.
strange bane
Oh, that does ring a bell, pretty cool stuff.
pulsar wigeon
uh?
austere ivy
I tried matching worldedit's functionality with it and it can't work because commandblocks can't pos1 pos2.
pulsar wigeon
i mean
austere ivy
I've not encountered any plugins that can replicate it
strange bane
I've updated Orebfusucator (using https://github.com/JayJay1989/Orebfuscator) to 1.14 if anyone wants it.
austere ivy
oh I'm not attacking worldedit or anything, worldedit is far more useful in a LOT of other things
pulsar wigeon
craftbook for example has the area mechanic
which essentially binds a schematic to a sign
austere ivy
but just for that particular niche of copying something and pasting it 20 times a second is super easy with schematics.
oh?
pulsar wigeon
so, there's your structure block
austere ivy
ah that's cool!
pulsar wigeon
you can also run worldedit commands through things that emulate players, like VirtualPlayers (idk if this is still around) or potentially citizens npcs
austere ivy
yeah that's what I tried to do, I used commandblocks but it doesn't really work the same.
pulsar wigeon
you could also probably just add native command block support to WE
austere ivy
pulsar wigeon
but that requires some design decisions
austere ivy
Yeah, that'd be cool though!
Yeah I'm not hating on WE at all, like in comparison to vanilla, it's no match.
/clone has a limit of 32k blocks which is tiny.
There's also no undo or //pos1 or //pos2 or anything like that.
tranquil crown
zinc surge
Can I ask a generic Minecraft question here? 🤔
austere ivy
Sure.
zinc surge
Okay, so I'm testing out the "generic.luck" attribute for items.
I tried giving myself a diamond sword with luck 1024 (the highest value) like this: /give @p minecraft:diamond_sword{AttributeModifiers:[{AttributeName:"generic.luck",Name:"generic.luck",Amount:1024,Operation:0,UUIDLeast:959645,UUIDMost:425577,Slot:"mainhand"},{AttributeName:"generic.attackDamage",Name:"generic.attackDamage",Amount:1000,Operation:0,UUIDLeast:515940,UUIDMost:81597,Slot:"mainhand"}]} 1
I get the item just fine and it shows the luck is on the item but as far as I've read it should give more/better rewards from loot_tables (chests or mobs) but there's just no difference.
I even tried in vanilla singleplayer and it doesn't make a difference there either. Am I missing anything?!
austere ivy
I have no idea, try asking in the Minecraft discord or waiting for a person who knows about it here, or both ;p
lean river
zinc surge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6RsmSSXs9g
==> Turns out it only affects fishing, the other stuff stated in the wiki is actually WRONG
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austere ivy
h*kin facebook:
Seriously no doubt if they found IntelliJ on their son's computer they'd be like "OmG THEY'RE ACCESSING DARK WEB?? It's code and dark and matrix looking!!"
No wonder the lot of them are anti-vaxxing flat-earther conspiracy theorists ._.
spiral garden
the python people changed the master-slave wording because of this shit
austere ivy
because of what 💩
spiral garden
people like the guy above who don't know the meaning behind the terminology
and are like "oh slaves were black people so that is RACIST"
austere ivy
huh I imagined it was a girl
spiral garden
maybe a girl idc
pulsar wigeon
thinking slavery has to do with race is such an ethnocentric american viewpoint
retarded americans
polar siren
merry talon
2010 lol
fallen oracle
Shrug
void void
yeah but seriously i think they're hurting the chances of a review by mojang by adding these comments
it's in the top 4 and still not under review
spiral garden
⭐
void void
bruh moment
fallen oracle
@spiral garden was this today?
spiral garden
yes
merry talon
lol what'd he get banned for
vestal jasper
Steealing code and claiming it as his own iirc
Don't quote me on this
fallen oracle
Lol
upper flicker
The first time it was for blowing up at someone and being an asshole
Which is notable amongst the usual crap in here
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oooh what's going on here
upper flicker
The second time was for wholesale stealing code
fallen oracle
The dude has been banned from like 9 Discords that I know of so far
merry talon
fallen oracle
He went and started shitting on Aikar in his personal discord
Then got banned there too.
upper flicker
He’s also written shitty code, complained when it blows up, then sworn at us on the issue tracker
vestal jasper
upper flicker
He’s about one outburst away from being blocked org wide
fallen oracle
He also goes and talks to plugin developers that hame similar plugins to his and talks to shit from them.
void void
he's probably like 12 or something
fallen oracle
He is
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I was not quite aware of his episodes off of papermc
void void
just tempban him for 2 years :^)
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I remember his fork being quite literally a plugin though
fallen oracle
Oh yeah he's banned from HelpChat, Paper, Aikars, CodeMC, uhh
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"am fork waterfall
fallen oracle
Blanking on the others
fallen oracle
He might be banned from moss not sure
upper flicker
Have to join conrete to get banned
merry talon
stealing code and claiming it as his own
fallen oracle
Moss is a discord for open source plugins
merry talon
does that remind u of anyone spotted
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yes
fallen oracle
(Minecraft Open Source Software)
void void
ah
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although your username is really fucking
progressively becoming more and more retarded
upper flicker
TriggeredLeaf
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z
void void
void void
ya
woven otter
is it done?
vestal jasper
my fucking cat just sat on a spider, squished it to death, then ate it
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your cat is retarded
void void
@woven otter no, issa pre-release
rose pier
Is PaperMC 1.13.2 still preferable to 1.14? (1.14.2 now, I think?) Is performance of the latter still an issue?
upper flicker
Yes
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performance is an issue on 1.14 still
rose pier
Damn...
woven otter
1.14 is an issue
rose pier
Do you guys have any expectations for when (if) a good time to upgrade will come?
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no etas
rose pier
I know the ball is in somebody else's court. Still. Maybe you know how these things usually go.
austere ivy
What a shame though.
I went back and looked at some of his stuff, he seems pretty smart for a 12 year old.
upper flicker
Happy Wednesday brian
austere ivy
Thanks Z ^-^
He's forking waterfall and making commits to Paper (I think, don't quote me on this) and doing all this stuff.
But I looked back and he just seemed really rude to a lot of people. Swearing at them, personally attacking them when they won't help him..
gusty idol
😠
upper flicker
That’s a username
austere ivy
What a shame though, I hope he shapes up.
vestal jasper
Bukkit's shit
gusty idol
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austere ivy
He seems smart. I think he's just 12 and very malleable so he probably got bad influences somewhere..
gusty idol
These what?
austere ivy
But I don't know about him shaping up, he's been banned like 5 times from places, Aikar's server, Paper, a bunch of stuff, and each time he says that he did nothing wrong.
vestal jasper
cons
gusty idol
austere ivy
He full out swears and attacks people and then he gets banned permanently for the 5th or 4th time and then said "yeah I didn't see what I did wrong they're just idiots lm*o" (without the asterick lol)
vestal jasper
Is he touching NMS?
austere ivy
Only time will tell. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vestal jasper
Paper breaks nothing in the bukkit api / spigot's api additions so he must be doing fuckity shit
gusty idol
a fork of spigot shouldnt be implimenting any breaking changes
What
upper flicker
No ticket no fix
tropic flame
what if that was Paper's goal, what does he have to do with it
austere ivy
You gotta make it more performant without actually making any changes don'tcha know? /s
/S
I need a big 4-wide /s emoji because I just know that leaf will come in here and say "brian baits part 76"
upper flicker
People who bitch quietly in their corner and never report anything sure do have a lot of ground to stand on
But given that actual world guard and actual plugins work fine with that change
vestal jasper
I'm inclined to believe his plugin's extremely hackily made and would not want to use it
tropic flame
would you believe in someone with "Plays" on their name
austere ivy
You don't mute your server?
servers*
I mute every single one of my servers which is why I strongly prefer that people ping me for anything and everything.
gusty idol
Oh I disable @everyone and @here
austere ivy
Not literally everything but ..
gusty idol
And disable notifications
void void
i like those people who create shitstorm, get banned and then act that they did nothing wrong
austere ivy
I mute all of my servers so if there's anything somewhat important I like to see it.
So don't be afraid to @austere ivy :P
spiral garden
tbf i might have been such a person a few years back
void void
i have to deal with such people constantly
gusty idol
Should I invite him here?
austere ivy
DAPI or do you mean PAPI?
upper flicker
So he can be toxic in here?
spiral garden
DAPI (Discord API)
upper flicker
No ticket no fix
austere ivy
ah.
vestal jasper
What he said is false. I've disabled explosions in my creative world, run paper, and run worldguard. Explosions properly are disabled.
austere ivy
You guys are in no cool servers ;c
spiral garden
true
austere ivy
I'm in a bunch of cool servers with fancy logos. You've got like the white-ish logos and the more rainbow-y color-y logos.
tropic flame
lmao does he really think that bug wouldn't have been reported after years of Paper being a thing
austere ivy
oh I'm not in the sponge hold on a minute
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it's off by default though because it does change behavior
vestal jasper
void void
inb4 event not called again
austere ivy
I thought that 100 servers was such a HIGH cap and I'd never reach it.
void void
austere ivy
Little did I know that once you enter into ANY mc server
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I don't think anybody uses that option
austere ivy
it's like bada bing bada boom WHAT you're not in moss? what about aikar's personal server
gusty idol
He did say "they optimized explosions but they also broke any plugin that blocks explosions like worldguard"
upper flicker
It may be a real thing, but how on earth are we supposed to know if he never reports it
austere ivy
also every single fork of spigot has it's own discord server join this join that
And I'm quickly hitting that 100 cap :(
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nobody's reported 
optimize explosion broke me stuff
vestal jasper
Tell him to submit a report if he care so much about his explosions 
spiral garden
i just can't handle being in more
gusty idol
Then he said "optimizations are good but not when they break the intended functionality of plugins"
Yeah but can't you toggle that on and off in paper.yml?
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it's off by default since it breaks some behavior
austere ivy
So I don't want to leave and rejoin and leave and rejoin and all that.
austere ivy
I wish that Discord would increase the cap, but more importantly, have server separators.
upper flicker
Good thing he reported it
austere ivy
Just like with channels how they have those channel separator divider thingies, we could have server separators that open and close and can be renamed and organized nicely.
spiral garden
when I'm in a server it's either because:
A) I (want to) actively participate in it
B) It provides value to me (ex. the Sponge server with its #dev channel)
gusty idol
Woah
void void
ghh sec
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thanks for pasting that
austere ivy
Wow that looks really spammy and bad.
merry talon
thanks we needed that
upper flicker
I’m in 30 or something and that’s already way too much
void void
pulsar wigeon
most of the ones i'm in are useless 🚮 anyway
void void
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js cancer has spread
pulsar wigeon
just shove them toward the bottom
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there's only one good discord guild I'm in'
spiral garden
btw z750 why do discord like paper but not moss 😦
void void
Discord the password manager
upper flicker
Curved ultra wide in portrait is the real galaxy brain
austere ivy
Usually with my resolution this is the max servers I can see:
vestal jasper
I'm in 17 and I don't care to be in more.
austere ivy
Uhh. 7.
void void
lmao yes
upper flicker
One project vs many was what I was told
austere ivy
@void void just put a #private or #notes channel in your server.
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yeah let's store my passwords on discord
void void
BRUH
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nothing insecure about that
vestal jasper
I use this server as a notebook
austere ivy
I don't recognize it.
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"remember to breath"
limber knotBOT
steaming notifications :kappa:
austere ivy
Let's see I'm in EscRes, then 5 servers just for that one server, and uh, various MC servers, then games, then technical stuff. Eigencraft, scicraft, paper, all paper forks, mcforums, that stuff. Then plugin servers like Arcaniax's and LP and Enginehub and whatnot and then third party stuff like ptero and optifine and THEN jstris AND THEN music theory
and that's it.
vestal jasper
invite me to it too so I can ensure you don't have any duplicate passwords
merry talon
In 2019 there's still no good way to share links between devices
austere ivy
and then the obligatory sequence narrators & something for everyone & snekroom and of course the pepe servers.
merry talon
So we have to use a fuking discord server
void void
LMFAO
merry talon
pushbullet sucks
vestal jasper
@void void
austere ivy
uh oh
void void
my friend was using matrix for notifications
but that also sucks ass
because matrix is (almost) fully featured chat platform
yep simply for notifications - irc, jenkins, buildbot etc.
limber knotBOT
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pulsar wigeon
are you going to be the new WECUI maintainer mikro :^)
spiral garden
honestly i don't have time for elaborate setups for notifications and stuff, I just want stuff that works
pulsar wigeon
also idk who dropped it, but lahwran isn't listed in authors lol
spiral garden
hell, I still can't get myself to setup my calendar
pulsar wigeon
even tho all the other notable figures are
austere ivy
DoNotSpamPls, join a server, left click
Boom and then you can just be in there. And if there's any super important things you'll get an @everyjuan notification.
Works well for me.
vestal jasper
want to save every penny
buying a game that's normally $759
u wot
vestal jasper
ok so
want to save every penny
spending $359 on a single game
limber knotBOT
wth...did something change with paper-80? Normally my server was just fine with 50 players in 1.13.2. Even was good in 1.14.2. Upgraded to paper-80 and wow things looked bad!
vestal jasper
Oh I see
merry talon
wtf is ableton
vestal jasper
literally never heard of it before
austere ivy
inferior version of fl studio
merry talon
definitely not worth that
austere ivy
FL Studio but worse at MIDI and better at live recording and uhh anything to do with live stuff, really.
It's what professional music makers use.
Let's see here, off the top of my head..
C418 uses Ableton, uhh
vestal jasper
I get the feeling the person in question is not a professional music maker
austere ivy
Flume, Dada Life
Diplo, Skrillex
something something something people people bla bla
I still like FL Studio better.
merry talon
skrillex
merry talon
you haven't listed any good artists
austere ivy
Martin Garrix
hey, doesn't matter if you like them or not
these are just popular people
merry talon
that's all that matters
austere ivy
define a good EDM producer, then?
merry talon
daft punk
austere ivy
they use Ableton
Let's see, Madeon, Avicii, Porter Robinsn, Afrojack, they all use FL Studio.
Feed Me, Deadmau5
SeamlessR, Ephixa, Tristam,
they all use FL Studio
But then you got some people who like OTHER stuff.
Qumu, he uses Studio One which is REALLY good for chord progressions REALLY fast.
Zedd, he uses Cubase which is.. eh, whatever, Doctor Mix does too.
really, just whatever floats your boat ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cosmic raft
hello
prisma moat
fallen oracle
Hey Z, are plugins on spigot allowed to have code executed when the developer joins a server?
upper flicker
Probably
fallen oracle
kk
upper flicker
The rules are pretty lax
fallen oracle
Just came across it on one of the plugins
upper flicker
I don’t really do much with resources anymore
fallen oracle
Ahh
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hey z can that code be player.setOp(true);
upper flicker
Probably not
fallen oracle
Was going to try and quickly make a PR to this plugin but they don't even use maven sooo
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is it a standard am use eclipse
fallen oracle
Yup
Actually it looks like Eclipse converted to IJ
They even call their main class Main.
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merry talon
well you dont have to test it
fallen oracle
Oh that's lovely.
fallen oracle
merry talon
I didnt even mean that
fallen oracle
Looks like 80% of this is static abuse. Someone must've not read Choco's thread.
I want to PR this so bad but I can't even import it without taking many steps.
woven fog
fallen oracle
Do I tho lol
merry talon
you just don't contribute at all
fallen oracle
Alright I'll let them leave it like that.
dawn shuttle
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elder sable
pulsar wigeon
anyone claiming that kind of license shit on bukkit plugins is retarded :^)
spiral garden
@fallen oracle btw my class is named Main, a legacy thing, what should I call it 🤔
upper flicker
PlsSpamMe
fallen oracle
I typically call it the name of the plugin.
spiral garden
hmm, might call it eZPBukkit (replace bukkit with platform name)
safe tide
It just rain for I shit you not no more than 15 minuets
fallen oracle
austere ivy
Also DoNotSpamPls just name it the name of the plugin. Apparently main class being called main is BAD.
Thanks Glare.
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time to make a reply to that 
austere ivy
package me.noodles.gui;
public class Settings {
public static String DEVELOPER_NAME = "BGHDDevelopment";
public static String DEVELOPER_URL = "https://bghddevelopment.com";
public static String PLUGIN_URL = "https://spigotmc.org/resources/52072";
public static String SUPPORT_DISCORD_URL = "https://bghddevelopment.com/discord";
public static String VERSION = "3.0";
public static String NAME = "LiteBansGUI";
}
??? his constants aren't final
they're not constants then o_O
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] does he claim they are?
austere ivy
and they're in Settings why are they in Settings if you can't set them
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are they used
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] probably meant to load from config
austere ivy
they're all in uppercase
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] config loader class needs to set them
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and?
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] so they can't be final
austere ivy
I'm still just reading the plugin so I dunno
I don't think it's set from config but I'll see
Seems like static spaghetti but everyone has to start from somewhere.
Hmmmmmmmm. He created a custom logger which is strange then reimplemented the error levels himself.. hmm
Also no.
Those aren't ever set to anything else by config.
They're literally just "settings" for himself.
austere ivy
Yeah it isn't. Why wouldn't he just plugin.getLogger().error, vs, whatever.
austere ivy
That's it. That's the logger. It's so strange.
There are already things to do this for you with correct color coding and everything.
austere ivy
so does getLogger().info() and getLogger.error()
I dunno it just seems strange. I tried to do something similar to this with sending messages to players.
limber knotBOT
Reminder for DiscordBot: libcomp
austere ivy
I had an enum just like this for multiline, no prefix, regular prefix, oh man it was a mess.
void void
wat we talkin about
austere ivy
void void
rarted
hey does anyone have a znc that i can use? my dedi died and im broke rn 😦
ill gib u some vhosts
unreal quarry
I don't understand why so many want to jump on people for the way they code. I mean, it's one thing to talk smack to their face like we do intelli, but behind their backs? That's just cold.
At least they are coding. It's more than I can say about 99% of the population
wide hazel
austere ivy
Yeah.
wide hazel
needs more astrisk
austere ivy
Like I said seriously everyone has to start from somewhere.
I'm pulling up something I used to do.
Like not that long time ago.
void void
I wanna say because it's fun, but I'm an asshole so
austere ivy
I just think it's strange he remade the logger, probably just didn't know about it.
limber knotBOT
🤔
wide hazel
quick, someone tell Intelli his code sucks before he runs away!
limber knotBOT
😩
austere ivy
fallen oracle
I think it's more of a group of people than just a single person.
austere ivy
runs away
fallen oracle
Yeah, someone hit his wife yesterday and ran.
unreal quarry
But for real. I've been around coders since mid 90s. it's always been like that. ppl start out like shit. most end up dropping it because of redicule. The ones that push through end up belittling others later, continuing the cycle. I don't like it :(
wide hazel
o.o
void void
In all professions 
austere ivy
Yeah I apologize, the guy is probably learning.
And that's great, everyone has to start from somewhere.
Now let's see this glory that I made:
wide hazel
https://i.imgur.com/5vIN2sT.png
r/roastme
austere ivy
wait hmm where is it
wide hazel
this is why I don't want to see the code that runs on servers I run
woven otter
@wide hazel your an egghead
wide hazel
the itch to fix it is real
void void
revising the Multithreading post rn
Performance is a serious issue for servers, and since the release of 1.13 the issues preventing servers from upgrading only seem to rise. Adding multithreading support will allow for Minecraft Servers to be able to upgrade to 1.14, which is known to have issues with chunk loading and lighting.
The inability to use more than one thread is a huge restriction for servers. There are certain processes that can and should be done in parallel, some ideas are below. Server software like Spigot and PaperSpigot has implemented some of these, but others require such far reaching changes to Minecraft that only Mojang can implement it and have it work for everyone.
Some things that should be added include
multithreaded chunk loading
multithreaded chunk generation
per-dimension tick threads, with synchronization on going through a portal
chunk serialization and gzipping for saving to disk to be done in a separate thread
an option to make lighting not calculated server side
all mobs AI should be ticked simultaneously, this includes mob pathing to players and other things
move as much packet handling as possible to the netty thread
anything i should add?
why did everyone copy that JS object thing
lmao.
woven otter
^
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simple
austere ivy
public static String emote(CommandSender sender, String text) {
if (sender instanceof Player) {
Player player = (Player) sender;
return format("msg_emote_player", main.getVaultChat().getPlayerPrefix(player), player.getDisplayName(), text);
} else {
return format("msg_emote_server", sender.getName(), text);
}
}
public static String format(String configKey, Object... replacements) {
return format("tfc", PrefixType.PREFIX, configKey, replacements);
}
public static String format(PrefixType prefixType, String configKey, Object... replacements) {
return format("tfc", prefixType, configKey, replacements);
}
public static String format(String category, PrefixType prefixType, String configKey, Object... replacements) {
FileConfiguration config = main.getConfig();
String configString = config.getString(configKey);
String formattedString = String.format(configString, replacements);
switch (prefixType) {
case PREFIX:
return colorString(config.getString(category + "_prefix") + " " + formattedString);
case MULTI:
return colorString(config.getString(category + "_color") + "&l> " + formattedString);
case NONE:
return colorString(formattedString);
default:
return null;
}
}
public enum PrefixType {
PREFIX,
MULTI,
NONE
}
make up your own shit
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you wanna know something
void void
😠
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fuck off with this pasting btw
austere ivy
Absolutely. Awful.
woven otter
oh god
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cancer
unreal quarry
@fallen oracle police have confirmed the owner of the license plate has insurance. That's all they'll tell us. They assigned a detective to work the case. We meet them Monday. Wife went out and got a lawyer. Lawyer sent her to e.r. and they out her in a full knee brace and cruches and prescribed a bunch of pain meds. That's where we stand at the moment
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spreads
woven otter
@austere ivy ur awful
austere ivy
That's how I was formatting messages LOL
woven otter
please delete
void void
wat pasting
wide hazel
@void void what's that for?
austere ivy
So yeah, everyone has to start from somewhere.
void void
it's a post on the minecraft feedback page
we're in 2nd place
wait, are YOU the one who wrote that suggestion?
LMFAO
austere ivy
now it's an MsgBuilder class
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alright that's a cancerous suggestion
wide hazel
LOL
void void
to actually not be a shitpost
fallen oracle
@unreal quarry Glad to hear she got some help. It goes without saying, make sure they pay the medical bills.
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I don't want to see mojang implement MT because they'll do a horrible job
void void
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wide hazel
austere ivy
no the only thing that should be pinned is this
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partially because mojang partially "code base is garbage"
wide hazel
I have the power!
wide hazel
I do like, zero modding
void void
the best way to make that suggestion not a shitpost
wide hazel
I miss everything fun 😦
void void
is to delete it.
woven otter
you should ban TehBrian
void void
hands down
vague wharf
whats so bad about it
void void
because they have no fucking clue how multithreading works or the implications of "making the whole game multithreaded"
they're throwing buzzwords around
wide hazel
apparently there's been times mods were needed and I've just been like "oh, well, I've been asleep for 8 hours.."
vague wharf
did u read the updated one? https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/588489888228311060
i think it reads better now
void void
lol
austere ivy
blockchain 👏 minecraft 👏
fallen oracle
wide hazel
MC on the blockchain
unreal quarry
Stop clapping, brian
vague wharf
i think those specific things listed ^ are more plausible
austere ivy
Okay :(
wide hazel
claps in Billy's face
void void
"all mobs AI should be ticked simultaneously"
is this implying a thread perm mob
if so, god help us
you fucking retards
no
vague wharf
well imagine a thread pool
fallen oracle
Why don't they just hire the paper team to come out for a month and unfuck everything.
austere ivy
netty thrad?
vague wharf
instead of ticking each mob's ai sequentially it would be in a thread pool i suppose
fallen oracle
Netty 👏 spaghetti 👏
static badge
let's put it this way
void void
Like I said, it's retards who think they know what they're talking about but don't making suggestions about something they don't understand.
static badge
all of the handling that can be done on the netty thread
vague wharf
i mean if theres a reasonable interpretation (thread pool) and an unreasonable interpretation (start a thread per mob) why would you assume it's the dumb one lol
static badge
IS already ON the netty thread
void void
^
Any other profession would laugh you out of the building and off a cliff.
But here we just call you a retard
vague wharf
do you have any ideas for better suggestions he should add to the post?
void void
Be thankful
static badge
removing the post effectively
void void
^
It really should be removed, and at the very least stop namedropping paper like they agree with you
static badge
where is this post btw
wide hazel
multiple chunk loading threads already exists, it's just some weird unnecessary sync calls still being worked out
fallen oracle
Jira
austere ivy
minecraft suggestions don't work anyway
wide hazel
"multithreaded!" "sync ALL the things!"
void void
fallen oracle
Just use BeerFlux ez fix
austere ivy
Bedrock gets it but not me >:I
void void
lmfao
fallen oracle
Why does it keep trying to force me to sign in to Microsoft
static badge
what garbage is forcing me to sign in and why
void void
its an ip grabber
fallen oracle
Ikr
void void
beware
austere ivy
..
void void
Wait what
austere ivy
because Microsoft owns Mojang
and it has tight integrated with Microsoft's services
._.
fallen oracle
Yes but on mobile you can't even read it if you're not signed in.
void void
Neither on DT I guess.
austere ivy
Simple, can you not?
void void
Nope
austere ivy
Thanks.
void void
Wait, what are you asking you noob
wide hazel
seriously, wait, dafaq
why is simple's link asking me to sign in with feedbackloginppe.azurewebsites.net
but Teh's is not
void void
i don't know either, it's asking me the same and wasn't last night
:L
i edited the post
austere ivy
What?
void void
LOL.
it'll be unreadable for like an hour or two
Well at least it's fucking gone for now.
austere ivy
Hmm yeah confusing.
wide hazel
austere ivy
Can you not?
wide hazel
.-.
austere ivy
void void
That's kinda weird egg :S
wide hazel
feedbackloginppe.azurewebsites.net redirects to feedback.mojang
is their site hosted on Azure then?
who owns azurewebsites.net?
austere ivy
Microsoft.
austere ivy
Like I said, Microsoft owns Mojang, and for a while, everything Mojang has been quite integrated with Microsoft.
void void
wide hazel
there we are
registered through MarkMonitor, Inc. (markmonitor.com)
but the contact is MS
void void
doesnt MarkMonitor handle google too
wide hazel
proooobably
void void
yes it does
wait what
google doesn't buy its own domains
???
yea it does but it protects them with markmonitor
that's what MM does
companies use vendors
all day err day
:3
lapis sequoia
wow
austere ivy
Really?
lapis sequoia
oof
austere ivy
How so?
void void
austere ivy
Respect.
void void
💑
lapis sequoia
imagine redirecting it
austere ivy
lapis sequoia
lmao
void void
Yea for google that's pennies
austere ivy
redirecting it to bing
void void
austere ivy
Yeah seriously I would've done like at least a million.
It's technically completely your domain at that point.
void void
"The transaction did go through - for about a minute. He said during that brief time he got a flood of information from Google users, though he was not able actually change the Google home page. Then he got an e-mail from Google canceling the transaction."
Just an email like "hey, no"
lapis sequoia
LOL some guy must have been sitting at google and was like oh shit forgot to renew the domain my bad
wide hazel
this is why registrars auto-renew
fallen oracle
So if you own a domain and then switch to a new one, how long do you think is appropriate to keep the old domain alive for to allow switching stuff over?
fallen oracle
Kk
wide hazel
not HTTPS though
marble summit
fallen oracle
Aww CloudFlare doesn't support Dev domains from their registrar.
void void
void void
wtf
wide hazel
I DON'T KNOW EITHER
void void
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] thanks irc https://i.imgur.com/mxiLTA0.png
void void
wide hazel
lol
austere ivy
yeah I did too
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/WYSaWDs.png
lol (output from fernflower btw)
wide hazel
zoom in and crop it a bit and you can be Z
wide hazel
oh, rip
austere ivy
I do not have long hair :(
void void
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that's a string switch duck boi
wide hazel
void void
IRC suffers, so that we may meme.
wide hazel
lol
kek*
I WAS AROUND WHEN THAT WAS INVENTED GODDAMNIT
I played WoW way too much
thiiink a lot of us did
woven otter
@static badge yeah it's just interesting that it uses hashCode()
wide hazel
eh, am all WoWed out now
void void
implying you have a life at the current time
acoustic pilot
tru i dont has life
pulsar wigeon
yea tbh not hyped for classic
acoustic pilot
just endless grinding
wide hazel
I realized the main reason I played was because the community to a degree, but mostly the skinnerbox
pulsar wigeon
i think everyone that is is just nostalgia filled
wide hazel
stopped playing, and am good now
pulsar wigeon
i played cuz it gave me something to do
quit last december when i realized there was nothing to do :^)
wide hazel
the explosion of sound and screen shake and particles and shit when you leveled was pretty great
sooooooo fuck that
wide hazel
vague wharf
if you have any feedback that isnt "delete this" im sure saccharide would be happy to incorporate it
wide hazel
jesus christ
void void
Hey look at all the commenters who have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
wide hazel
alright, I've read enough comments for today
static badge
the biggest issue preventing 1.13 -> 1.14 is their chunk system really
void void
no
vague wharf
commenters who agree with the idea and upvote dont need to be technical experts to understand that the suggestion they're upvoting is to improve performance
limber knotBOT
hey leaf, is aikars chunk patch still relevant?
woven otter
@austere ivy but can you play it with both hands octave apart
acoustic pilot
they actually do because how do you assess whether something is performance enhancing unless you have any clue wtf it's doing?
wide hazel
"all mobs AI should be ticked simultaneously" - what does this mean, exactly?
acoustic pilot
take someone at their word? 😛
austere ivy
How would I hold my phone then
void void
Ok. But suggesting performance improvement without UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE HELL GOES INTO IT makes no goddamn sense.
You retards.
vague wharf
ill repeat
if you have any feedback that isnt "delete this" im sure saccharide would be happy to incorporate it
vague wharf
im not claiming to know more than you guys, you've beaten it into our heads that you guys know exactly what you're talking about and are experts
acoustic pilot
Mojang's reply: "Yeah, we haven't heard all of this before"
wide hazel
"move as much packet handling as possible to the netty thread" - this is already a thing
acoustic pilot
"We'll get right on that"
void void
Like, fuck
vague wharf
i dont think these are new ideas but the point of the site is to help mojang see what ideas the community would want them to prioritize
wide hazel
seriously though, what do you mean by "all mobs AI should be ticked simultaneously"
wide hazel
WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN, MASON?!
vague wharf
uh idk, dont mobs have ai like pathfinding, couldnt every mob be ticked there at the same time like in a thread pool?
acoustic pilot
Dang, async pathfinding and multi-threaded world ticking, what unique ideas that haven't been peddled for years already 😄
woven otter
they just need to hire most of the paper devs as their QA team or something
vague wharf
this is the second time in like 20 minutes that you have delibrately twisted what i said to sound dumber lol
for the second time, thread POOL doesnt mean spawn one thread per mob
void void
Like, holy christ
wide hazel
I could see a pool of 2-6 threads ticking mobs at the same time, sorta
vague wharf
i said thread POOL
void void
"Simultaenous ticking"
wide hazel
would be a bit of a nightmare to debug
void void
This means they all need a thread actively working for them.
Not a pool.
A pool means sometimes they have to wait to tick.
That causes lag.
Which means you complain.
wide hazel
right
void void
You retards.
wide hazel
I mean, I get the idea
vague wharf
alright, but how could the thread pool of ticking mob AI be worse than just ticking them sequentially
i dont understand
acoustic pilot
To do concurrent entity ticking without syncing on state requires a state queue of some sort
wide hazel
it's not a great idea, but I get the idea and it almost makes sense
acoustic pilot
which would be highly incompatible with Bukkit design, or indeed any server API design
void void
How could it be better, is the question Leijurv.
vague wharf
thanks egg, could the wording be improved for people like simple who are really pedantic about phrasing?
void void
If you can't answer that, then it's a bad suggestion.
tbh be honest add baritone to zombie ai
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baritone
void void
yes
wide hazel
"to be honest be honest"
vague wharf
i think it could be better because if you have 30,000 mobs to tick and pathfind to the closest player, you could make it twice as fast by having two threads and each one takes half the mobs, then they join at the end
wide hazel
yep
worn ember
Maybe they should hire a QA team before they do anything else
austere ivy
We
acoustic pilot
Off-thread pathfinding is an old idea
austere ivy
are
vague wharf
off thread pathfinding works really well
acoustic pilot
It's also a very old idea that's already been floated around
void void
"Several people are typing..."
austere ivy
Maybe they are but they haven’t added my suggestion
Which angers me because i need it
wide hazel
threaded pathfinding is actually a good idea though. Would still need some state checks after completion, but it has the potential to be a bit faster. Problem is, pathfinding isn't a huge issue
void void
A*
static badge
the issue with throwing pathfinding off thread is there'd need to be a lot of it
void void
priorityqueue is trash
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off main*
wide hazel
yeah
static badge
you'd need to queue it
acoustic pilot
Things like multi-threaded world ticking and multi-threaded chunk gen is stuff that Mojang has already openly talked about too
wide hazel
not a huge benefit anyway
worn ember
If ur ai is as dumb as the ai in mc u don't need multithreading for it
acoustic pilot
It's really not like they don't know any of these things 😛
void void
a server might need it to prevent overall lag
acoustic pilot
It's clearly always deprioritized
vague wharf
well its not just pathfinding but all of the AI like, deciding which task to do, or finding a nearby player holding wheat to go towards
worn ember
Just type /stop to stop all lag
void void
Obviously just increase your tps to 100 for fast.
wide hazel
the problem is all of these tasks require state
acoustic pilot
async "nearby" lookups could improve a lot of parts of the code that don't require precise state
vague wharf
i dont really know, but my assumption was that the state is per-mob
worn ember
Tasks are murica confirmed
acoustic pilot
I've thought about how to do "nearby" caches before
vague wharf
imagine that the main thread is blocked, waiting for all the mobs to tick. each mob looks up blocks in the world, but this is fine since the main thread is paused
many mobs can lookup blocks at the same time without an issue
static badge
caching nearby is likely a better option honestly
wide hazel
yeah, a nearby lookup is faster. I already PRed this to Paper and got it accepted in 1.12 😉
wide hazel
it was a prereq to Aikar's async chunks
worn ember
Well shit
static badge
the biggest issue with all sorts of threading is this game is garbage, you'd have an easier time splitting the tick up into sections where certain state couldn't be changed
static badge
that's also called "rewriting this fucking game"
vague wharf
garbage as in putting strain on the GC?
worn ember
Delete Minecraft and start over
static badge
besides plugins totally would get fucked
worn ember
So?
void void
they've been fucked in 1.13
woven otter
yeah minecraft truly needs a rewrite
worn ember
If it results in a far better game who cares
void void
worn ember
I'm really waiting for hytale
vague wharf
what about one tick thread per dimension
static badge
dimension?
vague wharf
overworld, nether, end
austere ivy
I'm gonna have to learn another language
vague wharf
each gets its own tick thread
worn ember
C# owo my bby
austere ivy
Oh, lua scripting.
wide hazel
apparently the mods will be in Java
void void
leijurv's getting ignored lul
austere ivy
C# is better than Java?
worn ember
Why is no one talking about cardboard /s
wide hazel
they both have benefits and detriments
void void
Retard tears go best with nachos and beer.
worn ember
No u
austere ivy
Cardboard?
wide hazel
C# has the benefit of being high-level with access to low-level
austere ivy
worn ember
It's a game lol
austere ivy
This Cardboard?
worn ember
No
austere ivy
Pretty sure you're talking about that cardboard
void void
Clicks Cardboard. Sees T3hbrian. Leaves.
worn ember
Yeah...
pulsar wigeon
what the fuck does that even mean egg?
austere ivy
hey there were haters to Paper too
pulsar wigeon
7:04 PM] egg82 ❄: C# has the benefit of being high-level with access to low-level please explain
vague wharf
why cant the overworld tick in a completely separate thread than the nether?
pulsar wigeon
because this makes no sense at all
static badge
for the same reason you can't tick two worlds concurrently
austere ivy
something something survival of the fittest something something people who are still on bukkit are left behind
cardboard is the future old man
wide hazel
talking about extern
worn ember
It means you have a lot of sugar but the option for no sugar
static badge
it's not a problem about dimension it's a problem of state
wide hazel
can hook into dlls, which is nice
vague wharf
what state is shared across dimensions?
pulsar wigeon
i mean...so can JNI?
wide hazel
means wrappers for things that are low-level C
void void
yea, JNI
wide hazel
yeah