AP and IB both give college credits in many cases.
#general
heady spear
Yeah no obviously, I meant beginners level uni courses
Should have been clearer, my fault.
More specifically, any college levels without prerequisites
Otherwise university would be pointless lol
fallen oracle
Okay I think I know why everyone is complaining at about the issues with their pom lately. The latest version of MC dev ij plugin doesn't seem to replace correctly the java version.
heady spear
Yes. Either way, these programmes are only good as qualifiers for university
They are useful when applying to Oxbridge, and courses of that caliber.
I could have skipped this year at the very least, we haven’t done jack that wasn’t covered in high school lol
What type of high school classes did you take, then?
Because the IB most certainly had higher grade requirements than my uni profs do. 0.3% score a perfect 45
tropic flame
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heady spear
And I would be willing to bet that a lot more people get their masters from here with 100% :p
I don’t know enough about the difficulty of AP to say anything about that tbh.
fresh ermine
I took ap lit and ap physics my junior year
heady spear
I think that I found the IB more difficult because of the way it’s structured. At college I don’t have 18 exams in two weeks, and we didn’t take the subjects for two years
So a lot of it probably boils down to my study habits
heady spear
No, three papers for 6 subjects.
Also, in Sweden a uni course is generally 20h a week for two months
Rather than 24 months
So you can actually focus on that one course lol
fresh ermine
I also took 4 years of drafting / interior desing in highschool and got certified in AutoCAD from that
Design**
heady spear
No? We take 4 courses per semester, 8 per year.
40h a week in total
Yes. We take parallel classes
I like this a whole lot more, so that definitely makes it feel a lot easier.
Some people may prefer to spread out the workload, in which case this would be more difficult.
I think we cover the same amount of shit in 5 years tho
We generally have 1 lecture per day, the rest is spent studying on your own
Although there’s no attendance requirements for lectures, so you can easily just screw around for two months and then cram, I suppose
In Europe you generally do your undergrad for three years, then spend two years on your masters
Then 4 years for your phd
You also have to take a bunch of random classes. The most random one I’ve taken was data analysis for experimental sciences, the rest is 100% CS/engineering
half nebula
What's the preferred anti xray paper setting now to use with async chunk loading? Mode 2 or 3?
on 1.13.2
heady spear
Don’t you have general degree requirements? Like taking English lit and shit like that?
We don't :p
Or well, I do have to take a bunch of calculus because of engineering requirements, that don't make a lot of sense for my actual degree
But that is because CS is treated like an engineering degree in Sweden
We don't use GPA either. You use your entire grade report
My grade in wave mechanics is a lot less important my grade in OOP, as an example
But the bachelors and master's thesis are what really matters.
unreal quarry
I sluffed off my senior year and dropped my gpa down to 3.6 :s
heady spear
You can delay your exams here. I'll postpone my exams until I know I'll score a perfect score, because you're not able to raise your grade once it's been set
Which is a really strange system tbf
unreal quarry
Fun fact: No one really cares about gpa's and scores in the real world
Once you're done with school it doesn't matter if you were perfect, or barely scrapped by.
heady spear
What about shit like recruiters? It is really common for companies to recruit people with high scores over here
compact fable
yeah no employer asks for your GPA, and if its not above like 3.6 and also its more than 2 years after graduating highschool just dont add it
marble summit
Teto has been so hyped for this entire Nintendo LS
We got banjo kazooie in smash also the hero.
We got a announcement that they’re making breath of the wild 2
The dark crystal is getting a title
Ni no kuni wrath of the white witch is being added, holy crap I love this game
Luigi’s mansion 3 and the new animal crossing game
Pokémon Sword and shield information
And more
compact fable
it can matter a little for the first job out of highschool but otherwise its worthless
unreal quarry
^
heady spear
If you do well here you're basically guaranteed a job straight out of your degree
compact fable
I have worked at two different fortune 500 companies now without showing my GPA for either of them
heady spear
32700SEK is the minimum for a masters. No idea what that is in USD lol
unreal quarry
.wa 32700 sek to usd
heady spear
Like, that's the union negotiated minimum monthly salary
limber knotBOT
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compact fable
a bachelors degree in a computer science degree around where I live they get around 40,000 salary. It can depend a lot where you live because of living costs
well its cheaper to live here so its not that bad
heady spear
We have the highest minimum wages in the country :p
unreal quarry
That's about what I make right now with only a hs diploma
compact fable
if you are in like LA or NY its gunna be like 60+
but you might actually get less "worth", not sure
unreal quarry
$800/wk (40k/yr)
heady spear
Average with a masters is 55k SEK a month
worn ember
Sek hahaha
compact fable
the thing is that if you have a degree you usually move up from that salary very quickly
heady spear
Which is one of the highest averages in the country lmao
worn ember
Non relevant currency
heady spear
That is before the 40% tax rate tho
compact fable
SO many things depend though
unreal quarry
You're getting screwed, city :s
heady spear
So 32000 * 0.6 is where you would end up
compact fable
for instance I do not have a bachelors and I started at 50k with benefits, which is a bit higher than average for someone WITH a bachelors
wide chasm
What do you mean? 52% income tax ain't bad 😉 /s
heady spear
Yes. I am planning on leaving. Free education for everyone here tho
worn ember
Our average IQ is higher though
sturdy fulcrum
Almost half my gross income goes to taxes, insurance, and 401k
heady spear
Free university isn't too bad tbf
compact fable
- area matters for wages
- starter positions are starter positions, but those with degrees often move up faster
- in tech fields employers usually care about experience more than degrees its just super hard to get experience without a degree
worn ember
@spare venture til you lose your job because of illness and have nothing but the state to care for you :)
heady spear
We also get at least 4 weeks paid vacation time per year
No need for that shit here lmao
worn ember
Wtf does insurance have to do with this lol
heady spear
Americans need insurance in case they get sick dark
worn ember
So you're just objects to the state that you can ensure? Nice
compact fable
my job provides both short and longterm disability insurance as well as injury policies and medical insurance
not EVERY employer sucks
worn ember
Lol
tropic flame
nice, now my phone's USB port only lets the cable go in just enough to charge but doesn't actually "plug in"
heady spear
Meh. I mean the taxes are bad but the free healthcare and education sorta makes up for it
sturdy fulcrum
This is my breakdown for a normal week. Don’t hate
heady spear
Logics, same. Mine only slow charges lol
worn ember
@sturdy fulcrum graph and everything
compact fable
oh yeah, overall our healthcare is garbage. If you have money you can get some of the best healthcare in the world. People with money will literally fly to the US to get top of the line healthcare. But if you dont have hundreds of thousands of dollars you are screwed
wide chasm
I get paid to go to school, lol
heady spear
Same stef, same.
sturdy fulcrum
I didn’t go to college
heady spear
I couldn't imagine paying for education. It is such a wild concept to me.
I don't know, I like it here. US salaries do sound nice tho
But the thing is, everyone can live a decent life here
My sister is a nurse, and she gets those 4 weeks off yearly, free healthcare and she makes a lot more than minimum wage
sturdy fulcrum
I’m happy with what i make. It’s a wage I can live on comfortably
compact fable
the entry level salaries are awful, but they do get pretty nice after you have some experience. They pay way more for experience than anything else
heady spear
You're comparing your wages as someone with a college degree
We have a way higher living standard for everyone, even people with lower paid jobs.
sturdy fulcrum
And I don’t have any student debt
heady spear
We don't have minimum wages, which means that people end up earning a lot more even at the minimum
You can live a decent life working full time as a window cleaner here
wise pivot
heady spear
Ye, I get that. With the field I'm going into I'd also prefer living in the US
I'm most likely moving to the US tbf
But most people tend to be quite selfish in the comparisons.
Also, you only really need a university degree for higher paying jobs here
So there is none of that shit where you get a degree and end up working a minimum wage job afterwards
Literally not a thing here
compact fable
be careful with where you pick. Some places have seemingly very high salaries but they arent actually "worth" as much because of the relative cost of living in that area. Its better to look for the value of relative living than dollar amount
heady spear
Ye, but we have career related high school programmes. Most people graduate high school and are ready to get straight into a careern
compact fable
also yes that has been a big issue for a while here
inner hare
heady spear
With focused education to back it up
compact fable
people picking degrees with no payoff because there is no market for them and then being upset when there is no jobs in their area for their field
heady spear
So going to uni is definitely not the norm here
Therefore we don't have the same degree inflation
Also, the fact that you don't pay anything. You can safely pursue any career you want.
compact fable
also that is a thing here, City, its just that most people dont pick that option
why? I dont know, they should
heady spear
Most people here pick that option
compact fable
I paid like 400 bucks total for two years of career oriented training during the last two years of highschool
heady spear
I have a friend that graduated and started working as a chef, now she earns a very respectable salary and she is doing great. I love that it's an option
But I, personally, definitely don't have the same opportunities here.
cedar spade
yay international societal discussions
The UK (to me) feels closer to the US than wherever in Europe you're describing City
heady spear
This is Scandinavia, we are kinda different lol
cedar spade
Yeah
heady spear
The UK is a lot closer to the US than Scandinavia, so that's fair.
cedar spade
Scandinavia best part of Europe
heady spear
On average I think we're doing better, but we don't have the same opportunities at the top
cedar spade
I worded that badly
heady spear
That's why I'm probably leaving for the US once I graduate.
compact fable
on average I would say scandinavia is doing better, City, yeah
heady spear
Our lower class is doing a lot better than the American lower class.
compact fable
better education, healthcare, etc
heady spear
Which is more important to me
cedar spade
The UK (to me) feels closer to the US than to wherever in Europe you're describing City
Forgot a word
heady spear
But yes I 100% understand the hype about the US
Because if you're doing well, you're doing a lot better than we ever will lol
cedar spade
"screw the lower class capitalism is the way of life"
compact fable
As previously stated... just be careful about where you pick. Higher dollars doesnt mean better opportunity. Relative cost of living differs massively across the US
cedar spade
Sure, but that applies to every country and every city
heady spear
The same deal here really. Stockholm has massive wages compared to the rest of Sweden
But some of the worlds highest living costs on top of that
compact fable
yeah exactly
cedar spade
London has both higher costs and higher wages, it's pretty common in capitals and other major cities
heady spear
Scandinavia overall is very expensive.
compact fable
But I am pretty sure that you guys balanced costs to wages better than us, because some areas the wages are MUCH better relatively than others
cedar spade
rip can't afford to buy Scandinavia
heady spear
Our startup culture is weird tho
Like I don't know why you would start a company here tbf
Spotify makes no sense to me.
compact fable
California is infamous for luring people in with higher wages and then trapping them in poverty because even though the wages are so much higher the cost of living is so high they cant afford to leave
a lot of people in the US are trapped like that. It costs money to leave somewhere and they literally cant afford to leave
heady spear
Chinese companies love to hire Swedes. They offer massive wages for anyone born in the west
So that's where a lot of swedes end up
Either in China or silicon valley
compact fable
they actually give bonuses for westerners because companies that hire westerners are culturally seen as succesful so if you bring a westerner to a meeting you are automatically held in a higher regard culturally
heady spear
Unless they can get a job in Stockholm lol
compact fable
so thats why they hire them for more
you can even get hired as LITERALLY just a status symbol in China
you dont even do work, you just show up and stand around in a suit
it makes their business look more important to bring you along in their entourage
worn ember
sounds boring
heady spear
I kind of just want to get our of here though. When your highest city only has a million people, you feel quite trapped
compact fable
I mean you basically get paid to go to fancy dinners and travel
personally I wouldnt want to do it but its funny that you can
heady spear
Everyone knows everyone. It's like a big family meetup, constantly.
worn ember
@heady spear i didnt know this was turkey
heady spear
We also don't have the same opportunities to advance. It's common for people to work at the same place for 40 years here lol
compact fable
that sounds like the old American dream. People move around more now but even just two decades ago that was common here too
heady spear
It's miserable.
I'll become a prostitute instead
I'm depressed now. This made me depressed.
pulsar wigeon
here's your membership card
heady spear
Also weed isn't legal here
halcyon river
hi pals
heady spear
silence
compact fable
weed is legal some places here so yeah just pick one of those
almost all the states medically and I forget how many recreationally, it keeps changing
limber knotBOT
not legal anywhere in the US
heady spear
Unless you're dead they won't allow it here
limber knotBOT
for any reason
past pasture
heady spear
We drink at 18 tho. But we can only buy alcohol at restaurants and clubs until we turn 20
Which is a bit odd, I guess
California does seem nice tho, despite the shit shout them trapping you and you being miserable etc. They also have forests fires, so I wouldn't even need to give up on those
Nothing makes you feel like home like everything being on fire 🚒
limber knotBOT
forest fires don't really affect people in SoCal that much unless you live right up against the mountains
other than the smoke
heady spear
That's neat. Half of Sweden starts burning once we get sunlight every year
lime inlet
heady spear
But we don't care because it's no longer pitch black 24/7 so it's a nice trade off.
lime inlet
hello
quiet turret
@lime inlet hi
lime inlet
legendary contributor finally here
trim steeple
I wanna see what happens in the irc channel if you post an image
limber knotBOT
oh I guess that works
foggy elbow
limber knotBOT
what version of log4j does paper currently use? I'm having trouble understanding how to programmatically add appenders and whatnot to the server.
quick scroll
limber knotBOT
oi
alpine basalt
Where do I put pictures of these dogs I’m with right now
spice geyser
Sorry if I am the 1.000.000th who ask but is the last build of Paper in a stadium which the develepors recommend? I can‘t figure it out from the last message in annoucements.. 
upper flicker
1.14.x is not recommended to upgrade to from older versions no
Performance is still pretty bad in comparison
If you’re already on 1.14, then yes run the latest
upper flicker
wiz and I are going to start our own 1.7.3 beta server, complete with blackjack and hookers
pulsar wigeon
idk z what do you think about alpha 1.2.6
i just booted mine up yesterday to test some stuff out there
upper flicker
1.7.3 beta best version
spice geyser
Thx
limber knotBOT
No, beta 1.7 already had pistons, right?
limber knotBOT
1.6.4 + piston mod 😍
woven otter
let's go back to 1.3 when repeaters were introduced
limber knotBOT
No.
woven otter
yes
void void
https://github.com/mikroskeem/WorldEditCUI/ 
anyone wants to help?
woven otter
yes
void void
let's get this on Fabric
i did some initial work, but didn't bother looking much into details
limber knotBOT
Isn't rendering and fabric still interesting?
void void
wdym
void void
yeah pretty much
pulsar wigeon
i did some local work on that already but i didn't get too far
i probably should have done a restructure/reformat commit first tbh like you
cuz looking through the code makes me 🤢
pulsar wigeon
uh
idk if it'll be useful at all but
here's a rift one https://github.com/1337zero/WorldEditCUI/
it's full of shitty debug/test code too tho
void void
well, if i only could get rid of sickness - everything would go waay faster
pulsar wigeon
but it has mixins for some of the required hooks that fabric might not
void void
yep fabric api doesn't have bunch of stuff
pulsar wigeon
if you're on in a few hours i can share some other things i found
i got the plugin channels handshaking and communicating
didn't look at rendering yet
i started designing a new protocol in my head instead lol
void void
with rendering i need to reimport all opengl stuff
pulsar wigeon
yea, litemod is gone
void void
because LL did some weird shit with lwjgl imports
pulsar wigeon
check that fork i linked, he has a bunch of the constants and modes and stuff that are needed
void void
oh boy
pulsar wigeon
tbh i eventually want to make a platform independent core
that handles protocol, shapes, events, etc
and then has fabric/forge impls for channels and rendering
not sure how compatible fabric and forge will be
austere ivy
What were some of the major limitations in Brigadier?
austere ivy
I'm just quoting the worldedit 7 post.
pulsar wigeon
do you mean "are"?
austere ivy
I suppose yeah ;p
What were some of the major limitations in Brigadier that caused you to make Piston. That makes a bit more sense cause I'm just talking about Piston really, and what happened with Brigadier.
But yeah, what are some of the major limitations?
pulsar wigeon
no flag support, no mid-command optionals in general, terrible API (seriously, have you fucking seen commands written in brigadier?), inflexible parser, limited type support and no way to register your own types, etc
austere ivy
I thought Brigadier was the parsing method that Minecraft used for commands.. can you override it?
Or is it completely not a parsing method and more like ACF and I'm just misunderstanding?
pulsar wigeon
basically the way bukkit does it (and how we write our forge layer), is that root commands are registered with brigadier
and the rest of the command is shoved as one big string into the executor
austere ivy
o_o
That sounds awful.
That sounds like Bukkit without ACF lol, which I guess that's exactly what it is.
pulsar wigeon
seriously though look at this thing https://github.com/Earthcomputer/Quick-1.13.1-Carpet/blob/master/src/main/java/quickcarpet/StructureCommand.java#L74
austere ivy
Lemme give that a read.
But that means that instead of say, ACF, where it has intelligent parsing and, I mean you know ACF, you're left to just parse the entire command (basically) on your own?
pulsar wigeon
ACF is based on intake you know
worldedit has had annotation-based commands since 2011 :P
austere ivy
Yeah I think I'm just misunderstanding what ACF is vs what Brigadier is and where it sits in the program.
Ah ok.
pulsar wigeon
ACF is a whole framework
as is intake/piston
that goes from registering commands, based on annotation, to taking input from (bukkit/forge/commandline/whatever) and parsing that input into a command and (typed) parameters
pulsar wigeon
self-registration of everything (commands + args), basic parser for primitive + a few mc types
hm, wiki is broken?
austere ivy
Seems like it.
pulsar wigeon
austere ivy
unless the only type that Brigadier supports is "Error"
pulsar wigeon
2.2.1.1 brigadier:double 2.2.1.2 brigadier:float 2.2.1.3 brigadier:integer 2.2.1.4 brigadier:string 2.2.1.5 minecraft:entity 2.2.1.6 minecraft:score_holder 2.2.1.7 minecraft:range
austere ivy
That's it??
pulsar wigeon
i think uh, block nbt is now part of that list
as of 1.14
maybe
haven't paid much attention
but yea, really basic
and there isn't a way to register types without client mods, because brigadier sends that data to clients
austere ivy
Oh really?
pulsar wigeon
so essentially the compat layer, if it happens, will just register each non-basic type as a string
and the client will have to ask the server for suggestions (as it does now)
instead of parsing/generating suggestions client side
austere ivy
Huh..
So is Piston comparable to ACF or is it wildly different in how you use it?
And why'd you make Piston instead of just upgrading Intake (or is it just a completely different thing)
Is Piston just kinda more generic and more of a framework and Intake is just parsing?
pulsar wigeon
uh
intake is everything as well
but it's 5 years old now
and very different from how things work in MC now
had pretty limited functionality in some things (like suggestions - which didn't exist back then)
so octy decided to rewrite ground up
austere ivy
Ah okay.
cosmic raft
suggestions did exist back then, actually, they just weren't supported in intake
austere ivy
Thanks for answering my questions.
pulsar wigeon
how long
void void
yeah i remember having to write individual tab completers in i wanna say....fuck
err
long tiem
austere ivy
I specifically remember being able to tab and get players autosuggested for a while now
pulsar wigeon
also intake does have api for suggestions
austere ivy
DEFINITELY before 1.4 because that's when Commandblocks were added?
Was it 1.5 or 1.4?
pulsar wigeon
it's just like, eh
austere ivy
I think it was 1.4.2.
cosmic raft
@pulsar wigeon tab-complete/suggestions has been in Minecraft since at least 12w30c (== Minecraft 1.3)
pulsar wigeon
o, wow
austere ivy
I was right >:D
1.3 was kinda the time everyone got mad over Mojang for server side things they were like
"oh MY GASH IT'S SO UNOPTIMIZED"
austere ivy
Ha. Haha.. Haaa.. Oh if they could've seen how it is now. Anyway, that's when the creative inventory changed too and I think lots of stuff so I'd just imagine tab complete was then.
cosmic raft
https://wiki.vg/Protocol_version_numbers search for 12w30c and click page, then search for tab
cosmic raft
:)
austere ivy
Last question, what kinda cool things can Piston do? Is it just easier for developers or can it do cool language translations and stuff like that?
pulsar wigeon
uh
i mean that's mostly up to the executor
tho command descriptions and such do support kashike's component lib
cyan hound
anyone good with dynmap? i need help XD
pulsar wigeon
so technically you can put translatables there
void void
just ask your question.
void void
austere ivy
Ah okay. Thanks a bunch for WE 7 and all the work you did, it looks really nice.
cyan hound
well i did everything right but when i try to connect it says connection refused
pulsar wigeon
in general, it does a lot of cool things
void void
then you didnt do everything right
minor otter
My friend is trying to use a optifine installer, which is a java file. I've tried downloading regular java and java se development kit, however for some reason when I try to run the installer the "hour-glass" symbol appear for a few sec but nothing else happends?!? Anyone know why?
unreal quarry
^
cosmic raft
I have a re-usable straw now
pulsar wigeon
plastic straws 🚮
unreal quarry
Aren't all straws reusable?
austere ivy
dishwash all your plastic straws very good idea /s
void void
@minor otter open CMD and run java -jar <jarfilename> instead of double clicking it. Then you will get to see what text it is outputting. Might be an error.
void void
@cyan hound If I had to guess, the port isn't open.
minor otter
do I need the destination too? @void void
pulsar wigeon
single-use plastics 🚮
void void
"destination"?
minor otter
Destination to the file
void void
yes
minor otter
the file is on the desktop
cyan hound
well its 1 out of my 2 open ports so it should be open
void void
absolute path, yes
austere ivy
Water here is plastic bags, every single thing in here is plastic bags in here.
minor otter
haha this is nooby but what is the destination for desktop haha
austere ivy
AND THEN they have the audacity to get MAD at me when I say "can I have another straw?"
austere ivy
I'm at this restaurant. They hand us our food wrapped in plastic. Here's 10 ketchup packets, all plastic. Want some soda? Here it is in a plastic cup with a plastic lid.
BUT DON'T YOU DARE ASK FOR ANOTHER STRAW YOU SCUM OF THE EARTH
minor otter
I'll just place the file somewhere else
void void
or C:\Users\YourName\Desktop
@cyan hound show your console log, are there any errors, are you actually connecting on the right address etcetc
cyan hound
holdup
void void
Connection refused means whatever you tried to hit probably isn't up
cyan hound
lightshot kindof not wanting to cooparate
void void
.paste logs/latest.log
limber knotBOT
Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg
cyan hound
server taking 10 years to boot lol
my friend turned it off to annoy me
ok how does one save and asend a pastebin lol
void void
open logs/latest.log
cyan hound
got it
void void
ok.
Now I'm assuming this is your own computer
Selfhosting?
wiz, you still around?
pulsar wigeon
just a bit
void void
what's the new wecui channel name?
pulsar wigeon
worldedit:cui
cyan hound
no im using server.pro
void void
Ok, well it says it is on port 8123. If it's not working, then you need to go contact server.pro.
glass vapor
Anyone know an updated plugin that makes players deop their heads when they're killed?
void void
pulsar wigeon
deop their heads
void void
clearly meant drop
glass vapor
drop* yeah lmao
pulsar wigeon
nah pretty sure he wants to deop them
glass vapor
Thanks m8
glass vapor
True that
hard viper
OpHeads, the best backdoor for your server.
static badge
that was a backdoor?
static badge
simple
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
void void
stiff forge
tame pendant
haven't you used this insult like 14 times already?
pulsar wigeon
DrBot
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
void void
lol wtf. NCIS S15E1.
to phonebooth "Uhhh so what is this thing again?!"
WHAT
I STILL USE THOSE THEY ARE NOT THAT OLD
merry talon
14 is pretty conservative
sudden raft
merry talon
you are old
void void
i think ur brain is running 1.14
ionic sonnet
void void
SERVER HAS NOT RESPONDED FOR 1203485237542MS
ionic sonnet
just give it a little more time
void void
ThatsRidonkulous has crashed (SIGTERM)
ionic sonnet
wait hold on a mi--
void void
do it
ionic sonnet
no i need to keep asking for 1.14 stable paper release
rare palm
woven otter
simple do you have at least 2 braincells
void void
ok someone asked me if the WE schematics had a "well described format" but i have no idea lmfao
normal echo
void void
thanks baby
pulsar wigeon
that is out of date
this is the new one https://github.com/SpongePowered/Schematic-Specification
pulsar wigeon
lmfao
void void
he was like
how do i take a diff of a world and then copy it onto world C if world A modified by Player A but blocks are owned by Player B?!
and we were like what the fuck
He was about to start exporting schematics like a madman on logout and diffing it to find the blame of who broke what
And then we were like OH FUCK
JUST USE LOGBLOCK
limber knotBOT
hi, can i run minecraft 1.14.2 with paper?
lofty flower
void void
dont think so
glass vapor
eyyy someone took PEX and updated it last year https://github.com/AeternumIndustries/PermissionsEx/releases
void void
disgusting.
glass vapor
how dare you sir
void void
lol.
makes pex compile and adds react frontend
dumbasses: OMFG YASSSSSSS
like LP didn't already offer that and more
strange bane
I don't know if you're using that quote as a disadvantage but, that's a good thing y'know.
void void
he means they didnt even bother to write a readme for it
strange bane
Create React App is the official and recommended way to start a react based web app.
strange bane
That's not a problem either.
void void
lol
strange bane
The guide that comes with that readme is very useful.
golden gust
tf did they do to the git history
void void
Yeah, ok. You all have fun with your pex.
glass vapor
I will, thank you very much
void void
-.-
fringe flint
git pro
void void
"so much better omg!!!!1"
fringe flint
"fuck everyone who worked on this ever"
"and fuck everyone who intends to work on this ever"
strange bane
PEX is lighter than LuckPerms. I don't use it but, I kind of wish I didn't switch.
void void
That's nice!
strange bane
Mind you, my biggest issue with LuckPerms seems to have been fixed at some point.
glass vapor
Ah a man of culture
void void
I don't associate with retards
limber knotBOT
can i take my vanilla minecraft server and just run paper on it? its version 1.14.2
fringe flint
idk man i made the mistake of using PEX a few weeks ago before i learned about the light that is LP
and it was not lighter
void void
That entire fork offends me, for one. But saying that is better than LP in its current shit?
That is...
RETARDED
strange bane
The only person who has said that is you.
glass vapor
ur just jelly
golden gust
I wouldn't trust software from people who wipe commit histories
glass vapor
I mean, the source code's there
void void
That doesn't matter the history is wiped. LOL.
golden gust
It's a shitty practice for 2 major reasons: 1) Who made that change and why? Well, if that was anywhere, that was in the commit... 2) What does it really say about people who explictly go out of their way to remove the contribution attribution by others?
void void
Yeah, this convo is going nowhere. Some retards will just stay on retarded software forever and run their retarded servers. So, hf with that
glass vapor
jelly
void void
Not in the slightest
strange bane
You use that word too loosely.
strange bane
This is certainly not a place where that is necessary or acceptable.
void void
Oh, excuse me.
glass vapor
Isn't it?
strange bane
(place as in conversation, not the Discord server)
glass vapor
He has a point. Despite being jelly
void void
yes let me continue using this retarded old software
strange bane
It has additional meaning than the definition though.
void void
to run my retarded server
instead of using an actually maintained piece of good software
strange bane
With that definition, it doesn't even sound like an insult.
glass vapor
Too much jelly can make you sick
void void
You're right. So why try to sit here and fight me on making it sound like an insult. At that point, you're the one doing the insulting.
strange bane
I think you're missing the point.
golden gust
He does that a lot, tbh
limber knotBOT
James, when i run paperclip-1615.jar it does something, but crashes
strange bane
What's the crash?
glass vapor
"ERROR: PEX not found? You call this a server? spits"
limber knotBOT
James, there are a lot of warnings, but i see no error message
void void
.paste
limber knotBOT
Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg
strange bane
Okay, what's the warnings? 😛
limber knotBOT
glass vapor
ok nvm the new pex doesn't even run on 1.14 fml
strange bane
I think we should just let PEX die. It is a little outdated.
Oh! kale. Good job that error happened.
You're running Paper 1.13 on a 1.14 world.
This is the download you want: https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.14.2/80/download
However, @glass vapor, that's not me saying I think LuckPerms is the answer.
glass vapor
Answer denied
void void
Then perish.
glass vapor
Also denied
strange bane
It's astounding to me how much you care about LuckPerms simple.
strange bane
It's like Android vs. iOS or Xbox vs. PlayStation where it doesn't actually matter what other people use. Not that I'm not guilty of doing the same, it's just so strange to me for a permissions plugin.
void void
LP is currently the only actively maintained permissions solution.
It's really not comparable to what you just typed.
strange bane
permissions.yml
void void
Is not for that.
glass vapor
Well. I mean... Android > iOS
void void
Literally from the wiki: Warning Warning: Permissions.yml is NOT a replacement Permission awarding/checking system and any permissions should continue to be handled by a plugin.
strange bane
"actively maintained permissions solution"
void void
Correct.
strange bane
permissions.yml
golden gust
Actually, tell a lie, pretty sure that there was some change to how perms are loaded in from that a bit back
worn ember
🍿
golden gust
But, overall things like that are pretty much never touched 😛
limber knotBOT
how do i handle updates?
void void
Permissions.yml allows creation of parent nodes for already-defined plugin permission nodes so that server administrators can easily distribute permissions.
A way to think of permissions.yml is like creating Kits of in-game materials, but instead of in-game tools and blocks what's being bundled is multiple permissions into one permission node which can then be used in any Bukkit Permission-based system.
with care
void void
worn ember
i honestly never in my entire life used permissions.yml
limber knotBOT
is there a way of detecting that a new .jar has arrived?
strange bane
There's an API.
worn ember
(or use my downloader 👀 )
worn ember
PETA entered the chat
worn ember
thats gay dude
void void
obviously
tame pendant
void void
tropic flame
Was PETA created by a British dude called Peter?
strange bane
The A stands for America.
tropic flame
Dual citizenship lul
worn ember
wasnt peta the guy from the hunger games?
strange bane
No I don't actually know what PETA stands for.
void void
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
tropic flame
I was joking btw because British peeps pretty much spell "Peter" like "PETA"
They completely shit on the R that is at the end of the word
worn ember
Pets Etc, Tarantula AMERICA
glass vapor
Animals, Americans, what's the difference?
void void
That one I can get behind
strange bane
I an British, Logics and I have no idea what you're on about. 😛
tropic flame
If you change the stress syllable you can make American rhyme with trashcan
worn ember
just give it to china
tropic flame
@strange bane lmao at least on the stereotypical British accent they do
They read "hard" as "hahd" and stuff like that
strange bane
Oh, I see what you mean, we still spell it correctly. xD
We don't read things wrong just some areas pronounce things oddly.
I'm not from the areas that have too strong of an accent so I don't think I'm guilty of it? Maybe. Eh. Some people like it.
merry talon
It's like Android vs. iOS or Xbox vs. PlayStation where it doesn't actually matter what other people use. Not that I'm not guilty of doing the same, it's just so strange to me for a permissions plugin.
except when it does matter
because using modern software in active development is better than something people keep bodging together
and you can configure it to be as heavy or light as you want
strange bane
It doesn't affect you was my point.
merry talon
Yes it does
merry talon
People ask questions when their stuff breaks
strange bane
You can choose not to answer.
merry talon
okay well you'll clearly never get the point then
void void
yes because choosing not to answer is better than letting them continue to have issues
limber knotBOT
James, thanks for the help, i hope this will reduce the lagging i had on the mojang server
strange bane
Should do, electronic, spotted and co. have done some great stuff to 1.14, that recent saving fix was a god send.
austere ivy
void void
austere ivy
Reminds me of the sorting algorithm where it takes all the ints you want to sort, then it sleeps for each int.
merry talon
not really because when that function returns it will be today's date
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) @JavaScriptDaily (JavaScript Daily): Presenting the "sleep sort", our favorite O(wtf) sorting algorithm. (C'mon, it's the weekend..) 😂 https://t.co/VTz5WPHB6H (2 years and 1 month ago)
void void
yeah but when called, it'll just sleep till tomorrow effectively giving you the number you wanted
austere ivy
In that case, sleep(infinity); 
strange bane
I've always wondered, does the Java compiler solve static expressions and replace them?
strange bane
So you type "2*5" and it compiles as "10"
austere ivy
int i = 10*10
merry talon
it should
austere ivy
Is i 10*10 or 100
merry talon
I mean it'll be the evaluation regardless
austere ivy
if I do:
int i = 10*10;
System.out.println(i);
Will it basically be
println(100); or will it be
println(10*10);
void void
jit might do that, but who knows
merry talon
wow you're really milking this
austere ivy
No this is actually a question now.
Would it be more optimized to make sure each of your integers have no operators in them?
merry talon
it has been answered
but anyway that's some insane micro optimization
so even if not
austere ivy
Not really.
merry talon
keep it readable
strange bane
I've always "manually" solved and replaced because I assumed it was more efficient but I'm sure the compiler does that anyway.
austere ivy
If you have: int i = 365*24*60*60*20 then that can add up fast
void void
ez answer
merry talon
math takes like no time at all
if you aren't working with big ints or anything
so readability is better
void void
All that is is comp/decomp
austere ivy
Ah, gotcha, good.
strange bane
So IntelliJ is just making suggestions to make your code less readable. xD
Oh, another one for you simple. Does it replace List<String> = new Arraylist<String>(); with List<String> = new Arraylist<>();?
vestal jasper
YEEHAW time to edit 30 files with all nearly the same changes but not same enough to be automated
For the 5th time today
upper flicker
Types are erased
void void
strange bane
Oh, I see. That makes sense.
merry talon
yeah it shouldn't give you either of those
strange bane
So, how do decompilers figure out the types?
void void
by collection modification calls
upper flicker
Generic Types are erased*
upper flicker
an exploited vim is still better than nano
void void
0.00001% chance you actually could've get exploited with that tbfh
I just use nano for v quick stuff
vestal jasper
I actually like nano for quick edits
golden gust
I got too used to vim that nano just feels cumbersome
strange bane
I don't even know how to use vim I just use nano for everything on Linux and VSCode for everything else.
upper flicker
Yeah that exploit looks pretty overhyped
vestal jasper
I barely know how to navigate vim and know nano well so vim feels too cumbersome for me
upper flicker
Anyway, javac is very very conservative compared to most other compilers
strange bane
How could you not know how to navigate nano though, it's very "here's how you do it" 😛
upper flicker
It lets JIT do all the real work
golden gust
I prefer working off muscle memory 😛
strange bane
BTW Z, do you think the circular overlapping drop down looked better?
golden gust
:wq feels more intuitive than ctrl-x
void void
yea tru ec, nano is just habit for me tbh
upper flicker
looks at todo list that will never ever be done
strange bane
xD
strange bane
Well, I haven't actually written anything for that, I just made that in a design program
upper flicker
The concept is great we just wanted some styling thoughts to make it look nice
void void
it wouldn't be too hard to do, I just need a base image to work off of so I can write the CSS
upper flicker
And I think that’s the right direction
strange bane
Oh, simple is the one who created the PR
void void
yea i did no css at all, all i did is look up materialize's dropdown and added it lul so I'll look later
see if I can replicate what you made
strange bane
Didn't look at the code until now but your JS can be made a lot nicer.
void void
I'm sure ¯_(ツ)_/¯
strange bane
document.querySelectorAll('.dropdown-trigger').forEach(trigger => {
M.Dropdown.init(trigger, {
alignment: 'right',
coverTrigger: false,
hover: true
});
});
That's how I would do it.
strange bane
I love Java 8 streams, they must have influenced JavaScript quite a lot.
For the much better. 😛
Oh, or the other way around.
void void
lambda calculus has influenced programming, more like
strange bane
Whatever influenced filter, forEach, map, flatMap, sort and all the other lambda based methods I am thankful for.
void void
kek
glass vapor
Anyone using Infernal Mobs?
strange bane
glass vapor
:tumbleweed:
strange bane
Seems like a rip off to me.
glass vapor
that part is
but that's not the point
I'm curious if anyone else using the plugin is getting crashes on 1.14.2
strange bane
Server crashes?
void void
btw james, this is forEach impl
if (!Array.prototype.forEach) {
Array.prototype.forEach = function(fun /*, thisp*/) {
var len = this.length >>> 0;
if (typeof fun != "function") {
throw new TypeError();
}
var thisp = arguments[1];
for (var i = 0; i < len; i++) {
if (i in this) {
fun.call(thisp, this[i], i, this);
}
}
};
}
Yeah
strange bane
That's not the official implementation. 😛
That's probably a polyfill implementation.
void void
point being, it uses a loop anyway
strange bane
forEach is pretty pointless but it makes sexy code.
void void
ye syntactic sugar all day
strange bane
Well, that's not the real implementation that's a polyfill.
merry talon
well yeah
strange bane
But it's supposed to be as accurate as possible so, maybe?
merry talon
but that's the idea
plucky pawn
strange bane
Obviously JavaScript browser method implementations are not written in JavaScript.
limber knotBOT
they were written in java back in the days though, even for livescript
strange bane
Well, now I think they're all C++ or C.
No wait, Firefox is Java.
Firefox's JavaScript engine is Java I think.
strange bane
Oh, that one's new I guess.
merry talon
It's older than V8
strange bane
I have no idea where I heard Java being used for a JavaScript engine then.
limber knotBOT
netscape navigator used that
strange bane
merry talon
oh is that the horrifically bad one
strange bane
V8 is really impressive.
I'm not for everyone using Chromium's engines for their browsers (more Google monopoly) but I would happily welcome Firefox switching to V8.
void void
This is from SpiderMonkey 
function ArrayForEach(callbackfn/*, thisArg*/) {
/* Step 1. */
var O = ToObject(this);
/* Steps 2-3. */
var len = ToLength(O.length);
/* Step 4. */
if (arguments.length === 0)
ThrowTypeError(JSMSG_MISSING_FUN_ARG, 0, "Array.prototype.forEach");
if (!IsCallable(callbackfn))
ThrowTypeError(JSMSG_NOT_FUNCTION, DecompileArg(0, callbackfn));
/* Step 5. */
var T = arguments.length > 1 ? arguments[1] : void 0;
/* Steps 6-7. */
/* Steps a (implicit), and d. */
for (var k = 0; k < len; k++) {
/* Step b */
if (k in O) {
/* Step c. */
callContentFunction(callbackfn, T, O[k], k, O);
}
}
/* Step 8. */
return void 0;
}
I am for that because chromium is open source
strange bane
Why is it in JavaScript?
merry talon
wtf
void void
dont know they all are: https://puu.sh/DEMvj/bbb33ff6f1.png
strange bane
Okay, maybe V8 isn't faster because of machine code after all, maybe it's because of that.
merry talon
I mean theres no reason to not be if it just abstracts a loop
void void
They all abstract loops to iterate the items: https://puu.sh/DEMwC/3a62f510dc.png
But, yes, it does make it look sexy
void void
This is just SpiderMonkey tho, havent looked at other impls
merry talon
well its AOT compiled probably
strange bane
BTW don't think because Chromium is open source it doesn't give Chrome more power when every browser uses its engines.
"We want an API to make YouTube videos do RGB splitting (or something lol)" adds to Chromium
Every Chromium based browser just pushes that change in.
Google no longer have to care about specification.
merry talon
I don't care all that much as I think everyone should be using it regardless
strange bane
If Firefox loses so much share that Google start pulling that, Firefox will die from being incompatible with all these websites that use Chromium features.
It's Netscape vs IE all over again. 😛
Yet I can't stop using Chrome. 😛
void void
I like being able to have 3000 tabs open and not starting a nuclear war from my office
merry talon
that's chrome's fault not necessarily chromium
void void
yeah i know just memeing
merry talon
and anyway in my experience ff has been heavier 
strange bane
I think Chrome marks its RAM to the OS as "You can use this if you need it".
It is funny how Chromium had all this bad reputation for high memory usage and Google said "For security, it now uses 0.5x more RAM!" xD I don't know if that figure is correct.
void void
0.5x more 
strange bane
They started heavily sandboxing each tab.
I don't know what exactly they added, I don't think the previous sandboxing was even broken.
void void
I just thought the wording was funny
strange bane
Oh god it's 1am
void void
0.5x implies a division by half, it would be 1.5x more ram
strange bane
I didn't even pick it up when you said it afterwards
void void
strange bane
Lol okay let's not talk about that again
Good sign I should sleep, goodnight simple, object and kale. 😃
void void
I think since I ran out of weed I've started regaining some sort of intelligence
Almost.
merry talon
1.5x != 1.5x increase
void void
x implies multiplication, 1.5x = increase by 50% :L
merry talon
if you say it now uses 1.5x the ram yes
void void
it can be expanded to 1x+.5x
merry talon
strange bane
Hey, I'll take being half write half wrong depending on how you look at it
fallen oracle
I'll assume half wrong, you spelled right wrong.
void void
fallen oracle
Hey we grilled tonight apparently but I was sleeping so I didn't get pictures for you.
fallen oracle
mAh bhad
void void
never spell bad like that again
fallen oracle
Maybe.
celest monolith
void void
im so bored i need to get a job
but when i get a job im gonna bitch about that too
unless I actually enjoy it which is rare
vestal jasper
At this point, I don't depend on Google to back myself up, I am digging facts with pure logic and partial research.
when you're discussing law and your sources are your brain 
void void
vestal jasper
IP addresses can help in tracking someone but are in no way private data, they are public, that's how the internet works.
quote of the day #2
literally
they meet the definition of personal data but they're not personal data
void void
who r u talking to and where
fallen oracle
Wait what? Someone complaining about IP again?
void void
where though
vestal jasper
He's going to bring back his op/admin ip logging in his plugin
So he can force paypal to give him money when people chargeback
pulsar wigeon
simple wtf is that from lmao
vestal jasper
pulsar wigeon
just made me crack up
vestal jasper
wait I just realised
IP addresses can help in tracking someone but are in no way private data, they are public, that's how the internet works.
GDRP aims to protect against tracking. They also don't consider IPs private information, but it is in the conversations for future laws to adapt that.```aren't these two statements contradictory
If IPs are used to track someone and GDPR is meant to protect against tracking, why wouldn't they consider IPs personal information?
vestal jasper
leaf you're fucking boosted
static badge
vic
fallen oracle
He uses IPs and then tries to get money back if they share it?
static badge
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
void void
wait can i not boost again?
vestal jasper
No if they chargeback he can tell paypal they used the plugin
vestal jasper
Also apparently md_5 talks to him and told him his plugin was reported
fallen oracle
In my plug-in I have an announcement system so I guess that stores the IP but it gets deleted when nginx wipes the logs daily. I wonder if I need to start saving those.
vestal jasper
if anything goes wrong, md_5 will contact me. I was 100% reported the previous time we discussed about this, but he didn't seem to bother, which let me to believe he knew more information, and here we are with evidence that proves its legal use.```🤔
void void
i still dont understand what the issue is 
fallen oracle
I think he's storing IPs without their consent but they think it's private when it's public.
vestal jasper
He wasn't telling anyone he was doing this when it was implemented
merry talon
doesnt the EU not like people storing ips
vestal jasper
Literally no one was made aware he was logging anything
merry talon
or something
vestal jasper
And according to like 19/20 sources on google GDPR considers IPs personal information
merry talon
I consider that slightly retarded
vestal jasper
Most people do
pallid eagle
merry talon
What he's doing is whatever provided the user is aware
For reasons other than whether or not its private info
void void
honestly the relation of an IP address to a specific user is the personal information, as long as its mixed in its not personal info
tidal quartz
Using built in JRE 8 and flags:
-Xms1G -Xmx1G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled
Would a server still be considered Anarchy gamemode server if it has chat rules?
tidal quartz
Yes, that's a fps lag spike
void void
trust me
tidal quartz
Most likely due to GC
void void
i've run one before
vestal jasper
Anarchy servers sound like utter hell to manage
marble summit
Well like im just tryna have a Survival Gamemode where people can kill eachother and its not factions
marble summit
And if i remember right anarchy is just survival but you can kill eachother
fallen oracle
Are you wanting them to be able to group up with each other and attack others or do you just want a full on FFA?
marble summit
What gamemode would it be if
There are Custom Items
People can Kill Eachother
No Land Claim
void void
i did that actually