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#general
fallen oracle
Ahh thought you were referring from ptero
limber knotBOT
but still, at idle, no users it's sucking that much juice, not sure why.
sturdy fulcrum
It’s the plugins and your version sucking all the juice
limber knotBOT
maybe ai from mobs in the spawn chunks?
suppose I could run a timings, and see
but didn't seem that way on the last one I did
sturdy fulcrum
Add Ice and I’ll suck all the juice out too
fallen oracle
Don't you mean a sponge?
limber knotBOT
i got some significant plugins runing
fallen oracle
If you're ballsy, you could try this. https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/hibernate.4441/
sturdy fulcrum
Don’t name any of mine
fallen oracle
Yo clip did you see someone made a PR to papi today? Poor guy probably doesn't know we've moving away from it.
Hence why I said "if you're ballsy".
fallen oracle
It looks like all he changed was spacing.
sturdy fulcrum
Nah he made everything final
fallen oracle
But... why?
sturdy fulcrum
That’s the proper way
limber knotBOT
anything good? menus, placeholders...
void void
I'm clips stalker
fallen oracle
You going to accept the PR then?
sturdy fulcrum
Yes
fallen oracle
I guess that'll last for like 2 updates or however many more we do.
sturdy fulcrum
Review it
fallen oracle
Yeah, I looked over it.
woven otter
@upper flicker Okay maybe you will listen to me but what about adding a channel for help not related to Paper/Waterfall?
fallen oracle
It'll remove support in those methods for working with offline players.
void void
Players are OfflinePlayers.
sturdy fulcrum
No
void void
Inherently.
fallen oracle
Or did you just cast random shit in Eclipse?
sturdy fulcrum
I don’t use eclipse for papi
fallen oracle
Anymore
woven otter
@sturdy fulcrum nice catch but I just noticed there are some people that require help that's not necessarily related to Paper/Waterfall and it usually clutters either Paper/Waterfall chats or general
fallen oracle
Overall, I don't see anything too worrysome about the PR.
sturdy fulcrum
Tater be quiet
sturdy fulcrum
interfaces have default tho
void void
abstract classes are templates
yeah yeah lets not talk about that
dont confuse the lad
lmao
halcyon river
no i get what ur saying its good lmao i just didnt know which one is which
thanks tho
fallen oracle
Good work, Kludge.
void void
'template' may not be the most apt description
sturdy fulcrum
Either extend or implement
void void
but it's all i can think of
woven otter
yes in one case you have to use keyword interface and in other case you have to use abstract /s
void void
halcyon river
🤡
limber knotBOT
ok, so I'm going to try this fan silencer of a plugin
sturdy fulcrum
You don’t have fans
void void
abstract classes, gr8 for when you need to provide a base implementation and plan to extend(s) it so that you can...extend the functionality; ALTHOUGH interfaces have default, using them to provide a base implementation is...not entirely incorrect but it's not what they're intended for (functional interfaces? i think)
interfaces, gr8 for when you have a general concept and need to define what methods make up this concept. Then you provide a base implementation or implementation using an abstract or concrete class @halcyon river
limber knotBOT
Oh, another question, if I try Paper, can I always go back or will the world be hosed?
just stalkers
fallen oracle
Yes.
halcyon river
he is a bot
sturdy fulcrum
Gg simple
void void
wat
limber knotBOT
8 year olds armed with 2 star reviews
halcyon river
thank u simple
limber knotBOT
my little helpers
fallen oracle
Tater, he already told you to be quiet.
halcyon river
:(
limber knotBOT
so, migrating from Spigot to Paper, I can just swap back to Spigot and will have no issues?
void void
why gg am i missing something 
you will have no issues.
it doesn't touch your files
besides add some of its own
sturdy fulcrum
Gg cuz u broke it down for the most part
void void
o
halcyon river
lol
limber knotBOT
I've tried all the other hacks at improving performance...
sturdy fulcrum
Nice of you
void void
the jars are interchangeable, but plugins made with them not necessarily if they are using paper specific APIs
if your plugins all work on spigot, they'll work on paper
limber knotBOT
More CPU, More Memory, JDK11, HugeTables, Aikar's wonderful article on JVM tuning....
fallen oracle
Can't tell if you're complaining or not.
sturdy fulcrum
The last one is irrelevant
limber knotBOT
Oh, so I'll no longer get those nag messages in log that this build runs better on Paper?
void void
Indeed.
void void
1.14.2 was done in 30 minutes
sturdy fulcrum
About 3 seconds
fallen oracle
Anywhere from 5 minutes to 10 years.
void void
Yeah, if there are no major conflicts its up and out in no time
limber knotBOT
Actually this test server running Paper-629 for this bug was first time running it.
sturdy fulcrum
Just depends on when md5 wakes up
limber knotBOT
How do I build Paper, does it not have the same DCMA issues?
I seems to have downloaded a jar.
void void
Paperclip does what buildtools does, then applies its own patches
The jar you download isn't paper
It's Paperclip.
sturdy fulcrum
Thanks for the shout out
void void
It makes Paper as you run it, then runs Paper for you
halcyon river
wait is that just like a bot that says messages or is it a person
void void
They are on IRC
halcyon river
ohhhh
sturdy fulcrum
Paperclip was named after me
void void
yea, the cache folder contains the server jar with spigots patches + paper's patches
limber knotBOT
so it downloads the mojang jar and creates patch jar which it runs?
void void
paperclip looks in there, if it has none, then it patches and puts it in cache; otherwise it runs the jar in the cache folder
yes
limber knotBOT
oh, thats spiffy
void void
It first patches nms, that gives us cb, then it patches cb, that gives us spigot, then it patches spigot, and boom paper.
something like that
fallen oracle
You guys ever see the website that clip built for his kid?
void void
i have not
fallen oracle
sturdy fulcrum
Lol
That’s a good idea tho
Makes me want to do something the kids can go to and look back on life events
I mean we have Facebook
fallen oracle
Just make sure it's nothing to do with Discord.
Lit. Officially a contributor to https://github.com/public-apis/public-apis
void void
one of those really well designed front-ends that when you scroll like animates every part of the webpage; e.g. a chronological scroller that animates a map of all your travels
Would be rlly fun both to see and code
stiff yarrow
Someone recommend me a high end mechanical KB I think mine is on its last legs, I just replaced a switch and now another one is starting to fail 
void void
rip
just finished my 4th cup of coffee, i think das enuf
maybe
ok so... i found some random remix on youtube and for some reason the progress bar ends at 1:55 but continues playing to 3:45
woven otter
@void void not enough coffee
void void
and it's not a browser bug
it happens for everyone
m8 im currently having caffeine hot flashes
iz 2 much
woven otter
but do you see unicorns
fallen oracle
Hot flashes?
austere ivy
📎
fallen oracle
Man, everyone says gamer girls are awesome, that is such a lie.
austere ivy
How so?
void void
Only happens to be when I have copious amounts of caffeine
It's exactly what you expect
a hotflash
fallen oracle
Waiting to take a girl out for dinner tonight and I have to wait for her to finish her dungeon run and get her gear.
fallen oracle
FFXIV
void void
lul
austere ivy
welp
fallen oracle
Fuk yo gear
void void
dont let her hear that, or you wont have a date anymore 😉
austere ivy
Yeah
void void
my fiance loves to work on accounting into the early hours sometimes, and if i ever insulted accounting i'd be on my ass
and she's at least a full foot shorter than i am
fallen oracle
I'm like 6'3" or so, I know how you feel.
Have a friend in college that is 6'8" dating some chick who is like 5'1"
void void
but even to her friends, I'd never insult a hobby of hers. Will just end up coming back around to bite you.
golden gust
Anybody got optifine working in multimc btw, for 1.14? I tried and it had something against me
void void
i have no idea wat dat is
fallen oracle
MultiMC is an open source MC launcher
I love it so much.
Makes testing multiple version super easy.
Eletronic, I found the easier way is to run forge with it.
golden gust
I managed to get it working, I'd managed to be a dumb installing it (opti)
finite wave
void void
yes in that case there would be anouncment lol
golden gust
It's already doing stuff async
void void
noice (mojang way lol?)
golden gust
Just, their implementation is somewhat flawed
void void
-___-
😂
yes one player causes 60ms server spikes on Ryzen2700x (when unloading chunks, render distance 2)
unreal quarry
@golden gust I got it working. Multimc + OptiFabric + FabricAPI + Optifine.
golden gust
Yea, I think I grabbed the wrong jar when I extracted it lol
unreal quarry
Only thing broke is shaders, but I don't use those
foggy pewter
fallen oracle
unreal quarry
Optifine doesn't have Fabric support. Someone made a binding for it tho, OptiFabric. But he didn't get shaders right. He also discontinued it because he couldn't get shaders right
lavish lichen
rip
unreal quarry
Still works for everything else so far
red halo
fabric is 🤢 tbh
void void
just a thought: can it be lag spikes due to saving chunks when they geting unloaded?
hmm?
void void
no i had that in whole time
just didnt read
so by disabling save i can see how it works
ok
lavish lichen
@void void upgrade to latest paper
tropic flame
Lol tbh I just don't try Fabric because I can't use Optifine with it
Otherwise I'd probably try it, LiteLoader seems to be dead and I'd like to have a minimap mod and some other neat things
visual sluice
optifabric? OF 1.14.2 U F1 pre9 + Fabric 1.14.2 build 2 worked well enough + optifabric
fresh ermine
im trying to use fabric and optifine so i can record a teaser trailer for a server
with replay mod
big rip
dev of the replay mod is completely skipping over 1.13 support
and as far as I can tell any other "camera / cinematics" mod is dead
vestal jasper
woven otter
why is that cat purple
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lighting
vestal jasper
why not
woven otter
why
looks good though
a glowing cat
reminds me of glowing in the dark cats
pretty much someone genetically modified cats
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but why
woven otter
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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.g glow in the dark cat
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/jellyfish-genes-make-glow-in-the-dark-cats/ -- Jellyfish Genes Make Glow-in-the-Dark Cats: "No description available."
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can't wait till glow in the dark humans
void void
Looks like internet having bad days recently so much dos atacks...
lol thats so fucked up
left lagoon
woven otter
isn't it
void void
i say after i just finished swatting a fly and then impaling it on a thumb-tack so i didnt have to touch it
woven otter
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Coding Adventure: Simulating an Ecosystem - length 6m 41s - 2,967 likes, 9 dislikes (99.7%) - 18,403 views - Sebastian Lague on 2019.06.10
fresh ermine
zebra fish are naturally fluorescent and they only glow under black light
void void
yeah but those fish are chemically modified
The GloFish is a patented and trademarked brand of genetically engineered fluorescent fish.
fresh ermine
oh damn i didn't se glo fish
void void
THAT is fucked up.
I don't care about the actual fish lol
"coding adventure"
shows like...5 code snippets
talks in stupid monotone voice entire time
woven otter
still an interesting simulation
void void
presentation skills please
i guess
would be nice to...actually...
see
the code...
for this
"coding adventure"....
woven otter
no code for u
woven otter
what are you talking about
void void
aint no fuckin coding adventure. He shows like 5 methods, completely detached from any context
"oh yh heres my mating method. it calls request mate. and thats it enjoy ur coding adventure!!!!1"
safe tide
why are world names case sensitive
void void
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Alex Jones Is Bad at Minecraft - length 12s - 27,286 likes, 106 dislikes (99.6%) - 689,666 views - Hearing Aids on 2019.05.26
unreal quarry
anyone got a fabric mod to re-authenticate? getting tired of restarting minecraft every time i log in because "your session is expired" bs
used to be a nice liteloader one, but liteloader is dead
void void
i still have no idea wat fabric is
fallen oracle
.g fabric
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.fabric.com/ -- Fabric.com: Online Shopping for Home Decor, Apparel,...: "$11.98 per yard. Gertie Stretch Cotton Sateen Anchor Border Navy/Red Fabric. $26.80 per yard. Jennifer Adams Laval 191 Pearl Grey Fabric. $11.87 per..."
void void
that was a googlefail if i've ever seen one
and not at google's expense
.g fabric minecraft
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) http://fabricmc.net/2018/12/10/announcement.html -- Fabric Announcement | Fabric: "Dec 10, 2018 ... It is my honor today to announce a project long in the making: the Fabric modding toolchain for Minecraft 1.14 and above. What does..."
void void
marble summit
void void
wtf is all this v0 v1 shit https://github.com/FabricMC/fabric
8gb ram min to run their matcher program lmao
limber knotBOT
ok back
fallen oracle
What even is this fabric thing
void void
new mod api apparently
i don't know. lmao. Looks like shat if I'm honest, their main repo has no readme whatsoever and their wiki is rarted
limber knotBOT
does buycraft have a support for a placeholder {uuid} ?
by default
they have {name} by default but what about {uuid}?
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people will answer when they have an answer
fallen oracle
Yeah no wiki, big sad.
void void
Im not talking to you
void void
I'm looking....something you can also do.
Or, you could ask them. Seeing as they're a company.
limber knotBOT
guess found this https://help.tebex.io/tebex-store-guides/command-management/how-commands-work-on-the-tebex-platform
for anyone wondering
yay for uuid placeholders
void void
fabric is nice
however there aren't a lot of things i could do client side :(
i suck at texturing/gui designing
so i guess i'll just start playing around with game bugs and try to find crash exploits/dupes? :D
"...these Linux browser benchmarks..."
what benchmarks
what sites did he test
what network did he use
what else was running on the system
(im retarded w the OS question lawl)
fallen oracle
Anyone seen the new black mirror episodes?
fallen oracle
It's ironic cause the first episode is actually kinda about that.
Two dudes are cheating on their wives by having sexy time with each other in VR.
fallen oracle
Kinda
void void
it says the first episode is about the prime minister of the UK fucking a pig.
void void
hahaha @rare palm your pfp is extremely relevant
limber knotBOT
some prime ministers do things like that
rare palm
Lol
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wtf
void void
horrible show, not sorry
finite oak
void void
Geehz how dumb can they get? I got a server in LA not Dallas!
And just because of that I am demanding the refund from the no questions asked 24 hours cool down.
Still buying from shitty hosts, I see. And still complaining about it
fallen oracle
Doesn't sound too friendly.
void void
Any time they talk it's to complain about their shitty host
Look I ordered a product and I expected that product to be configured in that configuration.
Yeah, and you never learn your lesson. Clearly your choices in hosts are not smart choices.
If you ordered a cheese burger you expects a cheeseburger right?
Not going to argue with you over it.
And they had a ~82% postive rating.
So don't tell me that I didn't looked into them.
lol
fallen oracle
What host and what did you buy?
void void
They always buy shared hosting.
From random places.
I ordered a shared hosting plan for to be provisioned in Dallas Texas with their automated selector.
Dedi/VPS 2 hard
If you can't setup WHMCS to even do that then why are in the business?
Because it's easy, as you are setting an example, to get people to pay with a cute design and a high review percentage.
Sure but they don't stay for long lol.
good intake but bad rentention.
Yeah, because they get caught for being shitty.
So they rebrand and open a new one.
Scam more people.
Rinse and repeat.
It's a pretty well known tactic.
And it works. Clearly.
To a point lol.
Keeps working on you /shrug
Eventually they will be backed tracked for it.
and your acting like that doesn't happens with VPS/dedi providers. It does just as well.
Not if you buy from a reputable seller. Like, oh I don't know, something we've recommended a few times....starts with an O....
and ends with VH
Same idea, there should be reputable shared providers right?
Yeah maybe somewhere.
Not worth it in my opinion.
It is in my. I am not going to pay 50+ dollars for an system admin ALONE. And that's without any SLAs that would say that they would fix issues 24/7 (eg if the server dies at 3AM in the morning).
That would cost $100+/month.
Lol
It's true lol.
Then learn how to use Linux. Save money. Buy a cheaper box from SYS.
Win.
There are guides all over the internet.
I mean from a professional not from doing it in one night.
Someone who knows what to do and how do it in minutes/few hours.
I rather pay more for that on a shared instrafacture than "winging" a cheap butt server.
Ok you do you
But your complaining is getting really old
Kinda like renting an apartment over trying to build your own house.
Like, really old.
I don't know what else I can do to get what I am looking for other than what precautions I am doing now. Given the limited resources at the disposal for such.
What exactly is your budget
$15/month
https://www.nfoservers.com/order.php?type=minecraft
my recommendation
Tried them and their console didn't worked well with my accessibly tool at all. Every other shelf panel does (TcAdmin, McMyAdmin, Multicraft, etc) and looks like it was built in the 1999. So even though I contacted them saying such they didn't do much and tried to blame it on me and such.
lmfao.
I can't even with you
NFO is one of the highest quality server providers out there.
Period dot dot
Not in my book as I couldn't even use their console as everything was "smashed" on their console screen.
I have no idea what your accessibility tool is. Their design is of no consequence. Their support is similar to OVH. They do not give a single fuck about your software problems, but hardware will fall on them.
like literally the text was smashed onto the next line and so on.
That sounds like a you issue
That sounds like a outdated software on their end that needs updating. Otherwise why is TcAdmin, McMyAdmin, etc working just fine? Like 99% of game hosting providers uses?
I don't know, my dude. I haven't used shared hosting. But since you keep torturing yourself, you do you. Good luck.
Exactly that why I think it's a fault on their end as it's something they should be changing anyways to compete.
Shared hosting is not in any way their target demographic.
They still provide quality service.
Just because you don't find it pretty enough is on you.
I am saying they should update to hit a few birds with one stone, meet current web GUI standards, to meet modern looks, and to meet feature sets that nearly every other game service provider offers or exceed them.
ok
Thank you for your understanding why I didn't like them. It wasn't just for my personal reason it was for the fact I felt like they didn't want to innovate their software stack anymore and/or to limit costs of doing so. Since they already were "the king of the hill".
Oh, don't misunderstand me.
I do not at all understand your reasoning.
I think you are insane.
Insanity personified.
But good luck.
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void void
wazap ian
limber knotBOT
.log
wat dat RoboMWM
.log
y u ping me
hours ago
cuz fuk u das y
oh
cuz we were making fun of qball
he's still here
?
yea
billy actually just wanted it to silently not work and log, I didn't do any explosion stuff
people on my server are a lot more keen on how things should work or not
wdym
void void
Because the scam is 2 gud.
Pay, get scammed, they close down, open a new host, and scam friendly again
and it's in a full on infinite loop right now.
No break condition in sight.
Maybe because I don't want/care to be responsible for anything else but the game server itself?
Why should I have to worry about a drive failing if I can just order a service that will do that even if I am sleeping? Or if there an OS issue? Or if the MySQL data base takes a dump during the AM hours?
lol
It's not even worth the chat.
It's just not.
You know what else not worth dealing with? A VPS/dedi for a 1/2GB or 1GB Minecraft server. Like renting an entire truck/van just to move a boxes. Outsourcing is great if you can find a good place to meet YOUR needs.
Well, clearly YOU cannot.
Or it could be the fact that the quality of service had really hit the fans due to the number of "companies" doing it. Especially during the summer months for obvious reasons.
Sounds like you just solved your own problem.
Even "long holding" brands had really hit the fans.
Stop going for weird, unheard of companies.
Even like MinecrafServers dot net for example didn't even deliver for it's "premium" price tags. Slow staffs, panel wouldn't even notice the server online etc.
I'm afraid to ask what your definition of slow is, especially when all you buy is shared hosting.
And they were the "the place to go" just a few years ago.
Outside of 4 hours depending on the issue and etc in the tech department.
That is INSANELY FAST
You are ridiculous
I am not.
You want to pay $15 and expect that fast support?
Web hosts I been to always responds way faste rthan that.
Horrible client.
That's a webserver.
Lol
And I don't even pay 4 dollars for that.
Toxic clients
Toxic clients all day
And by the way, never EVER heard of that weird host you just mentioned
I don't recall them EVER being "the place to go"
So of course if I am paying SEVERAL dollars for a tiny game server it's better to place to go.
Pretty sure you just pulled that out of your ass.
No theywere the place on MCF.
$15 is not a large amount of money and it is definitely not enough to consider yourself a priority customer, premium, or in any way eligible for extended support.
Regardless of how they advertise it.
It is lol. If I could make that hosting someone I would give them an SLA to boot.
Here's a tip. If they don't have an SLA don't give them your fucking money.
vernal arrow
rare palm
No u cant
void void
https://i.imgur.com/lx3swKL.png NFO console.
Fully usable. I don't know what the complaint is, besides maybe the style but that is so inconsequential that I actually feel nauseas having to attempt to explain it lmfao.
golden gust
They said that they had to rely on assistance software?
If the site looks that old, there is a good chance that they're not using stuff like the features that have been added to browsers for hinting to assistance software
grave dust
void void
Exactly likely what your saying ^ Thanks for highlighting that.
It's really not old. It's just a basic style.
It is indeed.
WHAT assistance software.
Have you asked them to look into it
I'm literally talking to them right now.
grave dust
hello!
void void
They have no idea what you're talking about for one, and absolutely no idea what you mean with regard to them blaming you for it.
grave dust
first time setting up a plugin server in a while, so looking for recommended plugins
void void
The one that ships with Ubuntu and I did and they didn't offer much help in it. Right from the CEO.
And the option that allows you to make the zooming larger.
2.5x
And the Ubuntu Application is called Accessibly
So your issue with them is mainly that it doesn't zoom enough? If so, then that's a fair complaint and would have been nice to know (specifically) earlier. I asked them about it and they said they can get up to 200% zoom before the console itself starts to go. A stylish extension could probably do the trick for you to fix the console itself.
Their stack, however....not outdated in any way.
That is correct indeed. It would be all messed up at my required zoom setting.
And I am sorry it just that I thought it was old because every other off the shelf solution didn't do that to me. So for that part again I am sorry about the false information regarding that part of the compliant.
halcyon river
hi guys
void void
Hey there.
halcyon river
how are u pal
void void
Frustrated as you can see above but I am trying to see how I can get that sorted out. Because I been ordering shared services that wasn't exactly operational or at the very least consumable qualities.
How about you?
halcyon river
i’m doing good just coding i hope u figure out what ur doing haha
void void
Yea apparently it's appears to be large pump and dump operation going around the shared game hosting industry so combing them out is not easy.
And thanks.
looks like for nfo a stylish extension would probably help
just css rules to fix zoom issues
but /shrug
they also have 3 different themes which i dont know if you tried or not
alternatively, you can use RCON and not use their panel to access your console
you have options
yea exactly. Didn't expected it to be an issue but it did became it. Also I am not positive if switching themes wouldn't helped as it probably just re skin things. But no I assumed it wasn't going to help and let the trial died out.
all they do is embed the actual console into their page
i dont think they style it besides iframe
so
Exactly I thought of similar thinking as well so yea...
they are server guys, not web designers. It shows, both in design + quality of your server
But its not "not fixable"
Yea but come on, every one and their dog can deliver except them on that aspect. That why I was "what the flip...".
Yea well, shared is not their target demographic but they do offer it. And the server itself is damn good. RCON would probably work well for you. But I don't know. MelonCube I've heard is good. Same for ServerMiner.
NFO is my love, though
(If I was going for VPS...otherwise OVH)
I see, well at least I got those guys to look at as additional options.
limber knotBOT
Did you join a sect? Lol
void void
nope
literally all i did was sign up to be able to officiate weddings
which makes you a "minister"
lmao
acoustic pilot
dio is coming to bite ur dick off
vestal jasper
I mean I'd be lying if I didn't say it wasn't slightly concerning
void void
I heard there "majors" like that are pretty easy even a First Aid person only takes 4 hours or so of training which is divvy up in two courses.
limber knotBOT
Why do wedding via church?
void void
i did no training
i literally signed up
and it's like
"u r now a minister!"
I know that's what List 25 said.
i dont even have a wedding to officiate mini
i just signed up out of boredom
limber knotBOT
Oh lol
void void
and now im a minister in california apparently
acoustic pilot
The ULC is not like any church, so not entirely fair to class it as such
void void
You can probably find other "careers" that ware just as easy or similar lol like List 25 said.
limber knotBOT
There's like a million churches in the US anyways, right?
acoustic pilot
It doesn't adhere to any Christian denomination and strongly believes in religious freedom for all religions
rare palm
Simple, dont you EVER go offline?
acoustic pilot
ULC is popular for ordinations
void void
Not hard to do.
yeah, I can see why
seeing as it was free
and was 4 fields to fill out
rare palm
Im genuinely starting to think you dont have a life
limber knotBOT
Not like in other countries where there are basically two big organizations (one might call them companies) with many branch offices
acoustic pilot
Willing to bet a good portion of ULC ministers are gay and non-religious
void void
Who knows lmao
limber knotBOT
Why can't you be gay and in a church?
limber knotBOT
Yeah but, that's something we call discrimination
acoustic pilot
Any Church in the South, never.
limber knotBOT
And it's a human right
limber knotBOT
Do you have no human rights in the USA?
acoustic pilot
Homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of the Church, in most of the US.
rare palm
Well, good to know
limber knotBOT
Yeah but doesn't the law of human rights weight more?
void void
although.... :l We do have a federal law about that.
acoustic pilot
Homosexuality is not a protected class of people.
void void
I don't know. They can get married, just maybe not in said church.
The church specifically can refuse
acoustic pilot
There is a concept known as protected classes where discrimination in certain contexts is illegal
Being gay is not protected.
void void
But they can still get married
limber knotBOT
Or at least gov laws, you have laws against discrimination, right?
void void
Yea but just saying "no" to wedding them isn't discrimination
acoustic pilot
You can't refuse to hire someone for the color of their skin, for example.
void void
(grey area)
acoustic pilot
You can refuse to hire someone for their sexual orientation, at least according to federal law.
void void
(it is, but it isn't)
acoustic pilot
(Some states might have state laws that still make it illegal)
limber knotBOT
That's fucked up, lol
void void
ye
limber knotBOT
How about sex?
limber knotBOT
thats not how that works
void void
i am not a lawyer
limber knotBOT
Can I refuse women who apply just because of their sex?
void void
dont come for me
trim steeple
it shows @void void
acoustic pilot
A state's law is effective so long as it doesn't conflict with federal law.
Federal laws have supremacy
wide hazel
Sorta
void void
Tell california that regarding marijuana
acoustic pilot
@void void That's entirely different.
void void
Is it though... lol. It's illegal federally, but legal recreationally in California
acoustic pilot
The reason marijuana is "legal" in California (it's not, it's illegal in the entire US) is because California doesn't enforce the federal prohibition. The federal government cannot commandeer the resources of a state to enforce a federal law.
void void
There is literally a new bill that got accepted in Cali
Legalizing it
Not ignoring the law
Legalizing it
acoustic pilot
It can be challenged by the federal government.
void void
Yes it can be
acoustic pilot
And the federal government would win, but they won't.
void void
That was my point...
acoustic pilot
Because they know cannabis is on the verge of being federally legalized.
void void
I literally never challenged that, you just corrected me lmao
acoustic pilot
California's entire legalization strategy hinges on the federal government not enforcing prohibition in their state.
Right now, if the feds wanted, they can start arresting people for pot in California or any other legal state.
void void
Yes...
acoustic pilot
They have the legal authority to do so.
void void
Again, never challenged that
acoustic pilot
So no, pot is not legal in California.
rare palm
Its 8am... been awake since 4 pm yesterday
void void
lol
acoustic pilot
You can still be arrested and serve prison time for it.
rare palm
Send help
void void
Clearly not a productive convo but yes. We're on the same page here. Just trying to correct each other repeatedly for some reason.
acoustic pilot
I'm just clearly stating that California's stance on marijuana is not in conflict with federal prohibition.
California's justification is the 10th Amendment
Which, it will win in court.
(and it is in court)
void void
indeed.
Now after speech today, I will see if this new server can keep in one piece but so far it's a rock solid, have loads of free OS RAM, on an I7 7700K at the standard 4.2Ghz, has load of disk space and apparently even it's the first node from the looks of the host name. Oh and provisioned in the RIGHT SPOT. Obviously it booted up without unusual throw ups, their online console works and even their panel looks sick on the extension's Dark Mode to boot. I also logged into it for a few minutes and the catch up and TPS didn't dip too high/low either. Oh and the system even gave me 25565 "default port" even though it was selling for 5 AUD a month extra. They sure know how to make a server that costs less than a Starbuck's per month LOOKS good. Just gotta see if it will holds up, if the panel holds up and when I need it support to be reasonable.
void void
Also agreed
Friendly fyi if your tps dipped, like at all, that might be a bit of a warning sign. Especially if you had no players on :S
and don't be so demanding on your support requirements
4 hours is fuckin speedy
It was saying between 19.9x or something so I didn't think much of it and the catch up was no more than 0.040xx or something more.
24 hours is still reasonable
(especially for that price.)
Hey if my server dies it better be brought back online or at least updates be provided. Like I said I got a web hosting plan that a tech is always there within the hour.
Two at most if that.
If the server itself dies, they lost a lot more clients than just you.
Remember you're on a shared plan.
Now if there issues with a plugin yea that's not even included so that's "icing on the cake".
So yes, I'm sure they would look into it.
But for your personal issues, nah
Yea they even said it's was unmanaged so of course MY issues wouldn't get much if ANY attention at all.
unmanaged shared
But control panel issues, if the network is grossing out, etc I expects to be attended to/corrected reasonably.
Not hours later without RoC.
acoustic pilot
lol
void void
24 hours is reasonable for that.
acoustic pilot
man I'm glad I don't work in hosting
void void
or more 😂
If there minor jitters yea but if it REALLY grossing out it's needs attention.
Depends on your definition of that, I suppose. Panel issues, sure. That's a platform issue. Network issues, you gotta meet them half way. Provide what YOU know, i.e. your pings and traceroutes to the server. Otherwise they don't know where to start. They'll probably ask for that anyway, after a good wait on your part.
If it's DOWN, then yes. It's their prerogative.
If it's just slow in your opinion, well sucks.
24h+
Exactly I been through the ringer they want a MTR ususally.
yea...that's pretty routine
Yea so in short if the server flipping powers on and keep that way then it will be fine. But if my players reasonably complains about lag and etc and I know a plugin or something stupid didn't happening it's PROBABLY something wrong. Or if I am looking at the panel and it says Unknown.
yea...again, network issues affecting only your server != priority response. If panel is broken, they should probably initiate a priority response.
But just because your players complain doesn't mean they hop out of bed and sprint to the server room. If they even own one. They probably just resell OVH. In which case, they open a ticket with OVH. Which in itself can take a while.
Nope US Dedicated and they don't even sell I7s so they probably buy their colo packages.
ovh doesn't sell i7s?
are you really surea bout that
because i literally have an i7 from ovh.
No Us DEDICATED don't.
That likely their colo supplier.
You bought from us dedicated? or
The provider likely brought the colo from us dedicated.
and if colocated, they still can't go maintain the servers themselves.
as us dedicated don't offer I7s.
they have to open a ticket.
Yes they can in fact Us Dedicated won't unless you pay them for remote hands at $125/hour.
your hardware and etc breaks? You fix it or pay for them to fix it.
I seriously doubt that whatever SHARED host you just bought from has feet on the ground to do that.
You need to remember you are lowest tier shit right now
lmao
Hey if the drive breaks they need to attend to it or I don't have a game server lol.
If the hard drive goes, they lost a full node. Not just you.
I'm sure in that case, they'll pay for the datacenter to fix it.
Exactly
...what
That was my point, which you didn't agree with, but now agree with
So even if there a network issue and/or etc they will still want to fix it even if I am the only one reporting it. As it MAY be affecting everyone else.
Yeah. They will look into it. But my point was...
They are not going to go full on fucking emergency mode in response to your ticket
24h+ is reasonable
Again it's depends as you mentioned but yea 24 hours shouldn't be the case unless it's VERY minor OR it's a billng/sales type deal.
acoustic pilot
"within the next business day" depending on their availability
acoustic pilot
shared hosting really is the bottom of the barrel
void void
If it's high severity, then you get faster service.
Only then.
It's bottom of the barrel, and the mud that's down there as well.
Yea if there network issues it should still be looked at. Not saying as fast a DOWNED one but still quick enough that my players start leaving the server.
acoustic pilot
If you want to be treated the way you're asking to be treated, get managed hosting, otherwise really there is zero room for complaint.
void void
Plus I didn't even paid bottom prices.
If your players are leaving the server because of some network lag after only 24 hours you have bigger problems.
Much bigger problems
They will, because they know that Hypixel and etc will fix those within a few hours at most.
acoustic pilot
That's not really the point
void void
And Hypixel owns their servers. Full bare metal. With priority support.
acoustic pilot
The point was that if people would permanently leave your server for another one, then you don't have a very fun or unique server.
void void
You have a shared host on an oversold (likely) node
acoustic pilot
Hence "bigger problems"
void void
I doubt it but I will check during peak hours.
At this point I would not doubt if Hypixel literally runs their own server room.
Therefore, maintenance is fully on them.
And I understand but at the same time network issues should be still have SOME weight to the issue unless it's obvious it's my fault or something.
acoustic pilot
I'm guessing they colo hardware but still pay someone to manage it all
void void
Yea they have weight. 24 hours is weight. You are getting serviced WITHIN A DAY.
That is fast af.
void void
It's not in a day you can lose players if they are rubber banding or getting latency lags.
acoustic pilot
You are not the center of the universe in a shared hosting set up
void void
My old support team had 2 week old tickets.
acoustic pilot
Shared in fact implies you are sharing that space with many others.
Which inevitably leads to support queues.
void void
Yea but like I said I been to MANY shared providers and even the "trash" ones won't take longer than 12 hours.
This really comes down to you get what you pay for. And right now, that is quite literally more than you pay for
So be happy.
lmao
acoustic pilot
Maybe they respond faster because they're trash and have no customers.
void void
That.
I am paying almost double of everyone else per MB so it's better be decent.
Your definition of decent is so far beyond what anyone else who is sane calls decent.
acoustic pilot
Doesn't sound like you're gonna last very long in this arena.
void void
Expecting 4 hour turnaround time on issues is insanity at 5 aud per month.
four hours
im...
I mean everyone else would be expecting a full GB for the price I paid for but nope only gotten a half of GB instead.
...
acoustic pilot
5 AUD... that's 3.5 USD >_>
void void
Y I K E S
acoustic pilot
It's even worse when you convert lol
void void
Everyone want a GB for 3 USD.
Or even LESS.
Yeah because yall are cheap tards who don't understand server administration in any capacity
golden gust
void void
But am I wrong
So the fact I am probably paying around 5.20/GB (which is more than Vultr prices btw) it's better be decent.
I don't know what you are trying to say by decent.
I'm sure your server is gonna run decently.
But your support requirements you're telling us about, that's not decent. That's superhero.
acoustic pilot
expecting 12 hour support times with a $3.5/mo plan is the height of entitlement
void void
I means if you rung up Vultr they reply typically pretty fast even if your only racking them in 0.007/hour.
acoustic pilot
no offense but you aren't going to last with this attitude in this arena
void void
Vultr is a totally different customer target. Trying to run an MC server on those is asking to be sacrificed on top of a mountain.
void void
It's possible and even some say it's pretty good.
Yea it's possible, it won't be good
No
That's BS
Umm the last I heard they were 3Ghz or better.
acoustic pilot
Certainly possible to run, sure
void void
3
Modern CPUs are at 5
my dood
Even said on their ordering on their old platform layout.
acoustic pilot
nope, vultr CPUs are 2.2ghz, unless you pay out the ass for the better ones
and those are going to cost a lot more
void void
Didn't know they changed it now because they used to be stellar proccessors.
acoustic pilot
why don't you load one up and cat /proc/cpu yourself
void void
Now they are as good as DO then.
void void
But Vultr replies quicker because unmanaged. They give you the cloud server. They will handle any and all hardware issues. Software issues? Hahahahahahahahaaha. They will literally tell you "Sorry. We do not do that."
Like most providers. They don't give a fuck (about your sw issues).
acoustic pilot
Vultr definitely isn't going to respond to obscure network issues with any haste.
void void
Yeah, that too
acoustic pilot
That's pretty much true with any unmanaged host
void void
Exactly even the game server's contract said it's unmanaged unless they says otherwise.
Yeah. So why do you expect better support
I don't, just when the network/hardware/platform flips it's need to be addressed depending on impact load.
acoustic pilot
If there's a network problem and you can't prove with 100% certainty that it's the host's fault, then it's not their fault.
There's a high barrier of entry for evidence for network issues.
void void
Correct. And for the third time. If the actual system starts flipping, they did not only lose you.
acoustic pilot
As it's one of teh most common and misunderstood issues
void void
They lost EVERYONE on that sweaty old oversold dedi.
acoustic pilot
What you think is a network issue is almost always a problem on your end or your users' end
void void
So yea, they can prioritize the fix then.
And if it is a real issue, don't expect a reply. They're likely out trying to get the thing fixed and will do a mass-reply to anyone who opened a ticket upon resolution.
I know when we had hardware issues inhouse, we ignored the tickets. We just went to fix it, then looked later.
Much better SLA that way
I mean if I only experiences it then AT&T is probably trashing me with their oversold lines. But if almost everyone else on my server is telling me similar things or the average pings are way off then I probably need to bug them about it (with proofs of course).
Yeah. Then you can wait 24 hours.
It's not an emergency if it's just laggy.
No matter what you think.
It's not.
acoustic pilot
It's certainly not an urgency for $3.5/mo lol
void void
yea
acoustic pilot
That's just entitlement attitude
void void
It's just...totally back of their minds.
acoustic pilot
When you're paying that much
void void
"i expect to be treated like royalty for the duration of my patronage to your fine company"
company: "ok! what package?"
them: "the lowest one."
company: "lol"
Depending the lag "level" though. Playable but a rubber band here and there? Yea it's annoying but won't usually send someone elsewhere. But if it REALLY lagging out or something then it probably something bad.
With shared hosting it's not like that they average their clients out.
Duh.
Oh, I can guarantee you they do.
Unless you bug them endlessly.
acoustic pilot
If it was a network-wide issue that impacts all of their customers, they'd be on top of that
If it affects just you, you're waiting
Regardless of whether it affects ALL of your players
It still just affects YOU
void void
Also, if you start bugging them. Like, multiple tickets, multiple replies? Paying 3.5 per month?
Expect to be ignored
Ain't even shitting you.
Ain't worth their time.
Literally
acoustic pilot
Each person working there is probably pulling $25-$40/hr
void void
Exactly spamming them won't be liked even if your forking 1000+/month.
acoustic pilot
You aren't worth their time.
At some point they will start ignoring you lol
Just to get you to fuck off
void void
Lemme tell you a story
In the bank I worked for
We had an ECM software called OnBase
They will rarely do this unless you REALLY aren't worth it. EG if an average client is 25 dollars a month then if your taking 2+ hours for injust cases then yea they are going to tell you to leave, terminate, etc.
By this wonderful company called Hyland
Quarter of a million dollar support fee.
We were not allowed to call them.
That's insane....
If I called them, they'd say make a ticket and hang up on me.
No, it's not insane.
It's fair.
That software is insanely huge and complex, and we often had stupid issues.
Like most customers do.
And they have a ticket queue.
In order.
acoustic pilot
Plenty of situations in life where you are in a ticket queue waiting for hours and hours on end.
void void
Dude I did that a lot. Finally the account manager called me and was like dude stop
acoustic pilot
Would you start complaining in that situation too if you weren't serviced before your ticket number was called?
golden gust
(People who actually do that for stupid and trivial things: You deserve to be shot.)
void void
My issues were commonly that I was too lazy to read their 300 page support guides.
So I'd just call them and bug them.
Like an asshole.
golden gust
looks at the issue tracker
golden gust
"Hey, I have 200 plugins and I get this weird bug and halp"
void void
Exactly don't put an issue as "High" unless it 'needs to. And NEVER distrub a "911' or "Emergency" departments if they exists at a host. Which only ONE game provider even had lol.
but managed providers may have those more often.
Unless your hardware is a brick and/or etc.
Yea, but the thing is. For 3 dollars and 50 cents per month. Idk if you realize how small that is btw. For that amount of money...
High priority is 24h+
golden gust
managed providers generally need that
golden gust
For unmanaged it's generally a case of what the issue is, I've had unmanaged hosts who can reply within an hour on a bad day
muted niche
Looking for someone to test GriefDefender 1.14.2 😃
void void
But I been to lots of hosts and I usually only make tickets unless I NEED to and therefore that why most of my tickets are high. Unless it's a billing or similar issue that wouldn't need an "time senstive" response.
acoustic pilot
Yeah they can pleasantly surprise you
but it's about not having stupidly high expectations
for something you only pay $3.5/mo for
which is retardedly small amount of money in the western world
void void
Again I only gotten so little out of it.
You should expect little for the very little amount you're paying
So of course it's still gotta be "good".
Actually
You prob shouldn't expect.
At all
golden gust
Hitting the right team is also pretty critical, hit the wrong team and you've gotta wait to be redirected to somebody elses ticket queue, and ofc that counts as a ticket update usually so rip u
muted niche
im surprised anyone gets supported with $3 per month 😃
void void
^
muted niche
might as well be free
void void
They aren't doing it for 3 dollars lol they are doing it for RENTENTION.
acoustic pilot
because by the time you spent READING the ticket, you've already billed for more time than that customer pays
void void
Retention of your $3 per month?
They are hoping that you will be "big client" one day or something.
I guarantee you they want you gone and a higher paying customer on that node.
golden gust
They don't care about your $3 a month generally
golden gust
Their aim is generally to get a good return on what they offer, that generally means that you're paying elsewhere
void void
They don't sell half of GBs willing niffy they are lost leader products.
golden gust
half GBs are a hook, really
void void
They won't make money off of me now but if they service is good, stays up and etc then they will get a better ROI off of me.
golden gust
No sane hosts offer sub GB plans because they're unviable to actually run a real server on
void void
You'll get on the half gb, see that it has some issues, upgrade, oh 1gb still has some issues? 
upgrade oh still some issues? upgrade
that's what they want
they don't want your retention
golden gust
Buuut, get that first initial sale and people would much rather just upgrade as opposed to migrating
void void
You would be surpised what I can I can run on a GOOD half GB server.
void void
I even ran a 50 modded server on one for a WEEK with 4 people on it.
on half a fucking gigabyte?
Yup
50 mods
golden gust
Depends on the mods, really
limber knotBOT
The question is why
golden gust
half a gig can take a handful of players
void void
You just gotta make sure you ACTUALLY getting it, got Foamfix, and optimization mod(s) as you can find.
golden gust
I just don't really think that anything less than like 2G work of ram is worth it
void void
Because it's cost effective.
I rather go as LOW as I physically can then upgrade as I go.
Alright, well. It may be cost effective for you, that's nice. But the point here is the support you're expecting I think.
limber knotBOT
3 bucks for half a gig isn't even cheap compared to a vps
void void
It is most VPSes are like 5 dollars per GB.
Even Linode is now too.
That's a cloud VPS. Which we told you are not for MC.
and they are from HiveoCity.
Linode/DO/Vultr
not for MC. You can. But you don't want to
limber knotBOT
I can get a vps at netcup with dedicated resources for 8.99€ for 8gb
void void
Depends I am sure some clouds are better than others and they tend to be priced similarly.
limber knotBOT
With 2 cores of a 6140
void void
8gb ram, 2 cores, 2ghz (meh) for 14 bucks at ovh
lol
"but muh cloud and shared hosting!"
Yea you wouldn't hit the 8GB before th CPU.
limber knotBOT
Game servers are always overpriced
void void
MC is largely multithreaded, depending on the actual hardware it might be just fine. But regardless, you can likely find a similar offer with a better processor.
im retarded
limber knotBOT
Since you pay for support, stupid panels and the extra margin of the host
void void
single threaded.
No they are priced accordingly if you go the RIGHT one that is. Most are trash though indeed.
acoustic pilot
the VPS SSD 3 is only like 2 GHz so I wouldn't recommend it for MC any way, but it could probably do a few players and the fact that it's 2 vCores is good
limber knotBOT
Anybody who is serious in running servers shouldn't use game servers
void void
Still tho, I wouldn't start expecting four hour response times until I was paying $100+ per month.
If they got there before that, awesome.
But I would not expect it.
acoustic pilot
People pay OVH thousands a month and still get 24 hour response times.
void void
yea
I mean, even at 100
That's like anyone serious of running an apartment complex not to rent a complex and to use a land care service and do the lawn care themselves.
That's yikesey
No, those are not comparable in any way my dude.
No I know MikeA does get good services even a DEDICATED sales person even.
You have an UNMANAGED server
that means
YOU DO THE WORK
limber knotBOT
Speaking of data centers, ppl at work decided to cut power for the weekend and now our network infra is not coming back up again 😂😂
What a clusterfuck
void void
So in your example, that is running an apartment complex and renting the rooms. That's owning a lawn care service, and d oing the servicing.
And at the time he had 500GB of active Minecraft servers.
Yeah because MikeA PAYS FOR THAT.
He don't pay no 3 per month.
acoustic pilot
you mean $3.5/mo isn't enough? 😭
void void
So he wasn't giving OVH lots of money but still "bragged" about it.
limber knotBOT
I was supposed to come in early and help bring my applications back up but there is no network on the whole campus 😂
void void
because 500GB of servers is cheap.
Demand 30 minute response time mini.
Oh
You are the IT
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA
FIX IT MINI
That's probably a FEW thousands only.
limber knotBOT
Yes 😂😂
void void
U BITCH