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#general
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let's just say chunk perf is worse than 1.13 originally
ornate spindle
I heard that the way chunks work in 1.14 is that they're basically a memory leak now
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one of the major issues that I can see is:
1 - md69 changing the spec of loadChunk to require plugins to now call unloadChunk, who knows how many fucking plugins got rolled by that one, and we cannot even detect which plugins have done this
2 - it appears the chunk system wont unload chunks until they're a certain distance outside of a view distance (it wont tick them or the entities though)
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] WAIT
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3 - all of our IO is on main, synchronous
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which?
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] why
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md69 made it that way
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] how the fuck did that idea come up
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it's retarded
ornate spindle
I thought chunks stay loaded until the world saves
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] brb searching my projects for loadChunk just in case
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afaik it wasn't like that in .13
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] tho i don't think i use that
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] wait
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are fucked and need to be updated
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] fucking
[wizjany] so worldedit ensures chunks are loaded
[wizjany] before doing edits
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I wonder how many "unloading" issues are because of that
ornate spindle
rip any server that uses abandoned closed source plugins
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probably more than a few
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yeah shame we can't tell which plugins
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] Z is leaf telling the truth
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do we have a way to tell which are natural and which are plugin induced?
upper flicker
at least there's that then
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] nms aint calling bukkit api
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check the impl of loadChunk
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] LUL
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[wizjany] what
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honestly he needs to drop that change
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] why am i rarted
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did he make it just because its easier?
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idfk
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like how is that ever a good idea
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all I know is
This method will keep the specified chunk loaded until one of the unload methods is manually called. Callers are advised to instead use getChunkAt which will only temporarily load the requested chunk.
it's real boys
I complained about this like 3 weeks ago
ornate spindle
makes me sad that he likely never ported the chunks-per-tick from 1.8 to 1.9 because it was likely easier to not do that
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wtf were u all doing then
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] ffs
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in fact
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ornate spindle
wat
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afaik this is not a thing in 1.13
ornate spindle
getChunkAt is in 1.12 iirc
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lemme find it
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] well i mean i wanna switch WE to getChunkAt i guess
[wizjany] but we still target 1.13
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There are no notes on any of the JDs prior to 1.14
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] yea this is jd in 1.13 https://i.imgur.com/t4KMB6t.png
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return world.getChunkProvider().getChunkAt(x, z, true, generate) != null;
ornate spindle
speaking of 1.13, is that version being supported still due to the clusterfuck that is 1.14?
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only diff is some counter is incremented
I also had to revert loadChunk calls in the heightmap api too for that reason
note that md69 also did that for bukkit's heightmap
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well now it's just getChunkAt 
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] i didn't realize what was wrong with loadChunk when i saw that tho
[wizjany] oh, and isChunkLoaded just calls getChunkAt anyway, which false
[wizjany] so if i want to ensure it's loaded i might as well get rid of that call too
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and afaik you can't place multiple plugin tickets on a chunk
so plugins can potentially fuck each other
fallen oracle
F
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UP
fallen oracle
UP
golden gust
prior to 1.14, you'd basically rely on the chunk GC system to unload them
pulsar wigeon
well tbqh i don't think it should be up to plugins to keep track of chunks they use and unload them when they are done
since that also assumes that no one else wanted them loaded
void void
^ that, and can you imagine how many fucking noobdevs have no idea what this entails
pulsar wigeon
if plugin A wants to load chunk 1, and then does some stuff with it, and then plugin B wants to load it, but then plugin A is done so it calls unload, now B has an unloaded chunk
like tf?
void void
its easy enough to do, but not for some people
pulsar wigeon
A is doing things "right" but that's fucked
void void
the special people
vestal jasper
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vestal jasper
I'd rather not say which plugin it is tbh
void void
k
wide hazel
void void
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wide hazel
I like this book
fallow peak
clear portal
Y'all's opinions on Cuberite? Seems pretty cool to have a server running in a lower level language like C++.
void void
My limited testing (no benchmarks at all just playing) was pretty good, don't know about plugin support or state of their api
clear portal
Plugins are Lua, so it should be very easy for people to just write their own plugins
not sure about their api
void void
I walked around, loaded chunks, killed mobs, opened chests; all worked fine. Chunks were very fast, but I didn't stress it in any way
pulsar wigeon
man i wish all these third party servers had "feature completeness" on their front page
fallen oracle
Do what now?
austere ivy
when there is supply
there is demand
when there is prey
there is predator
when there is nargos
void void
shut up brian
vestal jasper
🤔
wide hazel
Putting the table in cubes
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Has anyone ever done any edX/Udacity/Coursera programming course? I've been programming stuff since I was 12 but never really picked it up and never learned too much stuff. Are they worth the time?
void void
Very limited but from my experience it's a whole lotta "hey ya never coded before, lemme show wat code is liek, u can git job"
wide hazel
It is indeed the book
fresh ermine
Had a guy drive off on a lawnmower without paying gas today
limber knotBOT
since one of the latest builds tab complte does no longer work for some commands
it just shows the player list instead of the completion list, but only for some commands
going back to build 59 it works again
no sorry it does work
my fault
a plugin did not load xD
clear portal
just updated like half an hour ago
/version
you are 3 versions behind
in all seriousness it's cool that it's being working on at this pace
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tip: Don't update as soon as a new update come out
clear portal
testing server
limber knotBOT
those are dev builds so expect a high amount of updates
clear portal
i know, i was joking
slate seal
void void
currently throwing completablefutures around everywhere
cursive pebble
wide hazel
@fresh ermine wait, you what?
Had a guy drive off on a lawnmower without paying gas today
Like, drive off ON a lawnmower?
How do you not pay gas?
merry talon
yes?
wide hazel
I have questions
merry talon
.g ride-on lawnmower
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wide hazel
Right, just imagining one of them in the street
In the middle of Denver
Is funny
But also how do you not pay for gas?
merry talon
well I assume you would fill the tank and then.. not pay for it
void void
Exactly, they are automatically not going to even DISPENSE it before swiping or telling the guy which pump.
wide hazel
Yeah, I don't think I've seen a pump you don't pre pay at in many years
void void
hence that's weird I thought that's how it works.
wide hazel
For exactly that reason, I suppose
merry talon
I don't think I've ever seen one where you do pre pay 
merry talon
how are you supposed to know how much it will take to fill your tank
void void
Exactly I thought you either have to tell them how much your going to pump or swipe a card.
wide hazel
Takes about $35 to fill my tank from empty
void void
Before the pump will even works.
wide hazel
Yeah
merry talon
..but you don't know exactly how many gallons are already in your tank or how big the tank is
wide hazel
Hasn't been "post pay" since I was a kid
merry talon
seems so inconvenient
wide hazel
It's cheap enough that if I'm off I only spend like $2 more
Not like it matters
Just fill the tank and be done with it
Can't go to work without transport, and car is the best on the cheap/fast slope
merry talon
@cosmic raft am I crazy
wide hazel
No, you're just Canadian
merry talon
wait he doesn't drive
cosmic raft
?
merry talon
pre pay gas?
cosmic raft
what is the question
merry talon
Yeah, I don't think I've seen a pump you don't pre pay at in many years
I've never seen one of those
cosmic raft
non-existant
wide hazel
Swipe card or go inside with a 20, then watch the numbers go up
I'm running low on gas, I'll post a video that will blow your mind
merry talon
in fact, I've driven down to florida multiple times
and I've still never seen one of those
wide hazel
Fill the car up tomorrow I suppose
merry talon
weird
void void
I prepay all the time
I don't "know" it'll fill my tank. It's an estimation. I just walk in there and say "hey $15 on pump <#>" and he goes ok and he credits the pump, i go out and fill till the 15 is used up and the pump stops.
may or may not fill the tank, may or may not use it all (i always use it all, I never put as much as 15 on if I'm close to full)
Exactly I thought the pump would STOPs at x dollars or whatever.
If there is some left, sometimes I'm like "hey there is some left on here, go for it"
merry talon
with post pay the tank is filled exactly all the way and you pay the exact amount you used
void void
yes
merry talon
I don't see the downside lol
void void
but sometimes I don't wanna postpay, i.e. my credit card has no available credit and maybe my bank is not doing so hot? so I have to borrow some cash
don't know if you've ever been there
but I've been there
merry talon
you can post pay with cash too of course
void void
Yeah, until you don't have enough cash to pay for what you just pumped
That's when it gets fun
void void
Prepaying sets that limit for me
merry talon
it will even stop for you
void void
It's easy to overlook
merry talon
🤷
merry talon
I just don't get it
void void
People argue over everything, just try explaining to someone that Minecraft servers are largely single threaded..
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^same someone claims that they can fit 50 people on 1.14.2 because they only have Paper instances on their machine using all 4 cores each.
*2
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fresh ermine
@wide hazel you either pay inside or with a card outside, if you pay inside we have to approve you, but sometimes people slip out of our vision and run off without coming in
I didnt even see him till halfway down the road and my job isnt worth running that far
Lmfao
warped wolf
Have anyone EchoPet for Spigot 1.12.2?
west ridge
Hey guys can you help me study for my AP? http://apminecraft.info/
Particularly, I'm having trouble with the Multiple Choice responses: http://apminecraft.info/apmc2019.pdf.
I don't think we covered this in class.
ancient bolt
not even secure
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w h a t
west ridge
APs have a few easy questions though.
merry talon
I cant tell if this is a joke or some kind of actual course
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I could believe that it's a real course
people try to milk money out of minecraft every possible way
fallen oracle
How's everyone doing?
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anxious as always
limber knotBOT
Cooper is the one where you pretend to run for 12 minutes, right?
void void
clear portal
they work just fine for me
finite wave
Weird
clear portal
What plugins do you have?
finite wave
My own, only affects registered commands
limber knotBOT
localhost server?
void void
hey phoenix616 u der
cosmic raft
void void
damn right im upsetti i want my spaghetti
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finite wave
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stiff yarrow
@finite wave not even a good copy pasta
stiff yarrow
are you one of those guys with a 2d waifu
finite wave
I thought Spotted were
stiff yarrow
sounds like you're projecting to me 
gloomy sphinx
wtf june 3rd
stiff yarrow
Jan your moves are weak
hallow light
@finite wave isn't Cooper test the one where you pickpocket everyone and sneak away unnoticed?
hallow light
Well, that's what Sly Cooper has taught me.
void void
Ima trying to edit the papermc website but when I make a change (using yarn dev) my change no show up
Even stopping yarn dev and starting does nuttin
limber knotBOT
where did you make the change?
void void
layout
even deleting dist and yarn dev and still didnt change
tried changing index and it worked
lmao
limber knotBOT
do you open it on the right port when you run dev?
void void
yes
limber knotBOT
oh wait, glub works different than webpack, it just does fast builds into dist, right?
void void
Got it, I don't know. I deleted dist again and yarn build, then yarn dev and it worked
limber knotBOT
normally yarn dev should do a quick build (which includes sass) and serve that from the dist folder if I read this file properly
no clue, webpack ftw
void void
yeah I like webpack
cedar spade
@void void update to the experimental builds
Or wait until 1.14 support is merged into the main branch
void void
that's just my test server im not worried, i just noticed it was a patch leaf added the other day
merry talon
err, pretty sure there is no dev script
void void
wat?
u sure bout dat @merry talon https://github.com/PaperMC/papermc.io/blob/master/package.json#L10
void void
void void
It's a custom bot afaik
earnest violet
1.14.2 sucks
limber knotBOT
.g dis4irc github
restive turtle
Hi I need a direct link to paper 1.13.2, thank you ..
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@proud flint ^
winter arrow
restive turtle
with .jar
proud flint
oh
restive turtle
I have a slow internet, I need a direct link to upload it to the server.
wget etc..
restive turtle
I will only download the file without the jar extension
limber knotBOT
wget -O paperclip.jar https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.13.2/latest/download
restive turtle
no working
sturdy sinew
limber knotBOT
what error do you get?
vestal jasper
The wget works fine for me
restive turtle
so for server.pro need a direct link, sorry.
restive turtle
yes, but it will download without the jar extension.
woven otter
haha
restive turtle
but on server.pro..
vestal jasper
sounds like a problem with server pro if it's only able to download from links if the file name is in the url
¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber knotBOT
guess that crappy panel doesn't respect Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=paper-629.jar
limber knotBOT
you should still get a proper host
restive turtle
for example?
limber knotBOT
well, I would always recommend a vps
ancient bolt
Supporting panels is such a pain
Why is it
That everyone that builds panels are all incompetent
orchid raft
o/
storm lake
<o/
limber knotBOT
Known problem with OVH indeed, it usually takes about 1.5 hours between charging my Mastercard and actually changing the order status from 'verified' to the next step lol
quaint chasm
tardy bridge
shell vine
they probably do that with all payments i noticed it with paypal too
fallen eagle
Is there any DCbuilds ?
indigo palm
left yacht
OVH is pretty fast for me, but I guess my account is fine (I have over 20 dedis with them).
acoustic pilot
OVH actually does care if you are a big time customer with them, if you're big enough they seem to respond to you much more quickly.
OVH deals in enormous volume
You're probably a tick on their back compared to some other clients 😛
left yacht
even 20 servers probably isn't a lot of them.
they probably have clients with hundreds of damn servers
why did I say probably
it's 100% at their scale
fallen oracle
That's lowballing
left yacht
Glare, we had more, but we downscaled.
fallen oracle
Yeah but at least after they first accept it, it's just an auto renew, at least that's what I do.
acoustic pilot
If MC performed the way it should, people would only need to rent half the servers they do
fallen oracle
I looked at my PayPal the other day and saw it charged for another month and I was like... Cool
fallen oracle
I gave up some specs and whatnot to move to OVH and a little more in price, but their uptime makes up for it.
left yacht
actually OVH specs are basically flagship at this point.
We use the advance-2 nodes and they are fantastic.
acoustic pilot
OVH specs-to-price ratio is the best anywhere
And the hardware quality is top notch
They don't use cheap hardware, everything is either server-grade or enterprise-grade
fallen oracle
I used to have a 4 vCore, 8GB of RAM, 5TB band, 1GB up down, 500GB HDD for $5 a month, but their downtime wasn't guaranteed and they took forever to respond to tickets.
I couldn't afford to keep having downtime
left yacht
5 bucks a month, you're not ognna get much support for that LOL
fallen oracle
So I switched to OVH and I've been good since.
vestal jasper
holy shit using OVH is an infinitely better experience than using an mc host
fallen oracle
Ya I know
left yacht
5 bucks is scraping the bottom of the barrel
fallen oracle
Ikr I got lucky with that deal
But nevertheless, I'm happy that I switched to OVH.
vestal jasper
took my old mc host 2 months to fix an issue that would make my server crash and experience an hour of downtime almost daily
fallen oracle
Wowza
left yacht
shared hosting is cancer (no better way to put it)
acoustic pilot
Server owners who want to run a server without knowing how to run a server pretty much deserve every bad thing that happens in shared hosting
left yacht
so you upgrading to OVH, I'm proud of you
vestal jasper
Their excuse for not fixing issues was that they barely work 🤔
Maybe they should spend more time then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
acoustic pilot
You're their passive income 😃
fallen oracle
I also was able to realize how much junk I had on the old machine and I was able to rebuild what all I used and hardcore optimized it all.
Went from using about 70GB of space to 12GB
acoustic pilot
Yeah, the /home partition is retarded
acoustic pilot
Should get rid of home and just add it all to / yeah
They give you like 20G for /, and everything else to /home
Like you stupid fuckfaces, variable data in Linux is stored in /var
heavy rapids
self-driving dedis? ;)
heavy rapids
it's a trap
left yacht
my cat always blocks door ways for me.
and I swear to god tries to make me trip to my death
vestal jasper
mine isn't afraid of being stepped over and he does the same thing
if I try to get through a doorway carrying a heavy object he just stares at me as if to say "fuck you, step over me"
unreal quarry
My cats just eat any wires they can find
left yacht
120V, that'll give em a shock
vestal jasper
My cat doesn't chew wires thankfully
acoustic pilot
fortunately mine only scratches on cardboard boxes lol
vestal jasper
Mine's adopted and the previous people trained him not to fuck with stuff too badly
left yacht
I'm allergic to manual labor but I still have to do it
unreal quarry
Manual labor is the best ^_^
vestal jasper
they also made him scared to be on couches which is odd
we've broken that fear though!
left yacht
my cat always sits in amazement of what the hell squirrels are.
unreal quarry
One of my cats fears nothing. It's kind of scary
left yacht
just sits at our back glass door and looks at our bird feeders.
vestal jasper
my cat used to be terrified of my grandma's dog, now he's the alpha.
unreal quarry
Hiss at him, nothing. Yell, nothing. Make fake throwing motions at him, nothing. I once threw a shoe for real at him and he just let it hit him and just looked at me like "what?"
vestal jasper
one of my old avatars was my cat's reaction when I threw a sock on him
he looked insanely shocked
unreal quarry
He's also getting me in trouble with my neighbors. He like to attack feet (playfully) but everyone flips shits like he's killing them lol
left yacht
also my cat is really annoying about doors. If any of my doors are closed in this house he'll throw a fit.
vestal jasper
Oh mine likes to play tag with people. Sometimes if you walk by his tunnels he'll run out, bat you with his paw, and sprint away
left yacht
and start scratching at the wood.
vestal jasper
mine only freaks out if the door is between me and him
unreal quarry
Does he put his paws under the door when you're taking a shit?
vestal jasper
yes
unreal quarry
Lol
vestal jasper
I'll invite him into the bathroom with me, he'll decline, and then fucking panick when I go to sit down
he used to INSIST that he goes in with me
would legit try to claw the door and break it open
still find it really weird
unreal quarry
Mine used to sit on my lap while I was on toilet. Wouldn't let me put him down :3
Now he's just "meh"
vestal jasper
Oh mine also always has to be in the same room as me if I'm not in my bedroom
It's pretty often I'll see him walk into my peripheral vision and just plop down on the ground to watch me
left yacht
billy our doors don't close that well (old house) so he can sometimes open the bathroom door.
unreal quarry
These days I can't even keep him inside. He'll claw at the door until I let him out. Then he'll do that loud ass annoying meow when I close the door like he wants back in. So I open the door again and he just looks at me like "wasn't me" and refuses to come back in
vestal jasper
Also his previous people named him Vader
unreal quarry
I have too many cats :s I can't even remember the exact number. 7. Maybe 8
Was 1 more but he disappeared. I think someone snatched him up because he's so damn friendly with everyone
vestal jasper
Cats are wonderful
I stacked a bunch of boxes and put a carrier on top of them
and he's managed to get into it
vestal jasper
honestly if he likes it up there I'm not gonna touch it
as long as he doesn't risk hurting himself
acoustic pilot
Cats love climbing, it's fine
vernal moth
You k ow what's better than cats? Kitten 😍
unreal quarry
You know how people baby proof their house? I had to kitty proof mine :3
limber knotBOT
I swear, her cats are kitten are the #1 reason I visit my best friend, lol
vestal jasper
nice patterns
vernal moth
vestal jasper
Also I swear he's louder than my grandma's dog
If I leave the house he'll cry at the door
and then fucking try to dash out the door when I return
acoustic pilot
is he neutered?
vestal jasper
Yeah
acoustic pilot
I guess he's got an outdoors tendency then
My guy is indoors and neutered and is too scared to go outside, has no urge to leave
Was thinking maybe yours had that biological urge if he wasn't neutered
vestal jasper
We used to have a balcony that we'd let him wander on
but we're on the ground level now
and he HATES putting on the harness
acoustic pilot
😦
vestal jasper
The new harness is much easier to put on but if he's not willing, it's not easy at all no mater how simple it is to do
he trusts me fairly well but he'll make sure I know he doesn't wanna go in it
acoustic pilot
yeah they seem happy to throw fits lol
dogs b like, "o ok wutever u say"
cats b like "bitch wtf did you just say?"
vestal jasper
I've had to give my dude medicine a few times and he seems to understand that when I forcibly hold him, there's a reason for it
heavy rapids
egyptians treated cats like gods thousands of years ago and they're still used to that
vestal jasper
though I imagine using that trust to put a harness on him probably isn't a good thing
acoustic pilot
Yeah medicating my cat was a bit stressful too
vestal jasper
he protests much more with the harness than he does medicine
acoustic pilot
Couldn't get him to hold still when trying to pill him or get a dose of pain killers into him thru oral syringe
vestal jasper
when we adopted him he was stressed to the point where he'd refuse to eat so I had to give him some stuff to make him hungrier
which was notably easier than I expected
vestal jasper
I don't plan on ever buying
acoustic pilot
yeah plenty of rescues/strays needing adoption
vestal jasper
apparently mine was put up for adoption because he was stress house soiling. they had a 2 year old, multiple other cats, and multiple other dogs, they're gone for most of the day, and the reasoning for the stress came out "inconclusive" 🤔
acoustic pilot
lol
a lot of cats don't do well with other animals, hm, maybe why? lol
in fact it's frequently a question when you try to adopt
"do you plan to keep this cat with other animals?"
worthy sequoia
acoustic pilot
if you answer yes, you might be rejected
vestal jasper
he's only done it twice since we've gotten him, both times were due to me having to leave for 5 and 7 hours respectively
acoustic pilot
sounds like a very stressful environment for a cat tho lol
vestal jasper
Yeah..
He seems to get along fine with my grandma's dog now, with a lot of moderation and encouraged interactions
acoustic pilot
is he still young?
vestal jasper
he's 2.5-3
acoustic pilot
oh okay so he's still learning and shaping
coarse urchin
Twitter
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heady spear
Hi pretty ppl
vestal jasper
hi city
heavy rapids
lmao
heavy rapids
like valve time we should invent mojang performance
acoustic pilot
Probably next week? Or the week after
vestal jasper
Their structure of the updates pages really bothers me
left yacht
who's ready for a 1.14.4!
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wonder what perf they're improving
acoustic pilot
they should keep doing 1.14 updates until they get the game back to 1.12 performance
heavy rapids
startup performance
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vic
heavy rapids
👌
left yacht
I love how vague they are
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if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
heavy rapids
please no paste
left yacht
that's 100% what we need
heavy rapids
oof
pulsar wigeon
man so many fucking duplicates in the list
how fucking hard is it to general that changelog once
missing return
this is sloppy af
heavy rapids
mojang doing mojang stuff
they should at least sort by ID
then that wouldn't happen
vestal jasper
did they like copy the entire list and just paste it twice?
pulsar wigeon
yea
acoustic pilot
"hey look, we fixed a lot of stuff.... twice!"
pulsar wigeon
the "missing return" i posted
is where they pasted again
lol
this is the first issueo n the list again
vestal jasper
guess they need a QA team for the fucking update pages
heavy rapids
lmao
pulsar wigeon
^^^
acoustic pilot
let's just hope the same people aren't working on the game
vestal jasper
1.14's so bad even the update pages are hastily done
acoustic pilot
~_~
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vestal jasper
MC-151802 - Spawning causes massive TPS CPU load on a flat world.
I'd like to know the specific cause of this
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pure cancer
vestal jasper
what the fuck has to happen for spawning to cripple performance when generation settings are tweaked?
woven otter
^that's pure cancer
pulsar wigeon
that gave me cancer^
vestal jasper
leaf you're pure cancer
vestal jasper
trident pr when 
woven otter
@upper flicker ban leaf for spamming
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oh yeah forgot about that one
pulsar wigeon
@Moderators :^)
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tbh gonna be real the basecomponent pr has a higher priority than that
vestal jasper
billy submitted a fully functional PR for 1.13.2 like right after it went feature frozen
And yeah ik I'm not even running 1.14 yet so I don't even really care when it happens
ornate spindle
https://i.tcpr.ca/0LDcAEp https://i.tcpr.ca/AX7ltXN tfw you're prepared
vestal jasper
we beat you to it gk
also is anyone else having random freezes in discord when typing?
acoustic pilot
@ornate spindle prepared for what? a ViaVersion update? lol
heavy rapids
nope, no freezes
ornate spindle
that isn't viaversion
left yacht
Byte, the developer of lilypad doesn't particularly like updating with any speed at all.
heavy rapids
maybe
left yacht
So we just do it ourselves.
acoustic pilot
oic
left yacht
md_5 isn't that fast either
acoustic pilot
Bungee/VV seem to update quickly enough for me
left yacht
well sometimes he'll just take 12 hours
acoustic pilot
Not too concerned about getting those early adopters 😛
left yacht
sometimes it's a couple hours.
vestal jasper
who thought this text color / weight was acceptible?
left yacht
our players lack the required brain cells to change versions.
vestal jasper
holy shit it's so hard to read
acoustic pilot
Like the numbers on our servers don't change whether we're late with updating protocol support to the latest or not
Pretty much as long as you update within the next few days
left yacht
oh we lose like 30% of our playercount no problem
in a matter of hours.
but I guess at our size we should be updating it ourselves anyway.
no-one else uses lilypad really.
acoustic pilot
Can't say I've seen huge drops with 1400-1500 players
ornate spindle
MCSL is dying my dude
acoustic pilot
It is but it's still pulling in numbers, and their slots are cheaper now, obv
left yacht
doesn't matter we're banned anyway on MCSL lol
didn't pay one auction like 2 years ago
acoustic pilot
MCSL isn't completely dead, it's still about half as strong as it was a couple years back
It still gets traffic for "minecraft servers" on Google page 1.
ornate spindle
you work with wazez?
acoustic pilot
yes
acoustic pilot
I sold my own network Minelink to Wazez too
No, he is solo owner.
I'm not a partner or co-owner.
sturdy fulcrum
I’d like to be a server owner
left yacht
I'd like to be loved
pulsar wigeon
some server should hire me and pay me big bucks $$$ :^)
sturdy fulcrum
You must own skittle mc
heavy rapids
I'd like a 1.14 update with 1.12 perf
ornate spindle
well makes sense why mineheroes is considered to have the best factions jar
acoustic pilot
That's mostly @tired pawn's work
He gets all of the credit for that
As well as most of MH's optimizations
My Factions jar is on Minelink, not MH
left yacht
uh clip I work with skittlemc owner.
he always comes into my ts and reminds us how he wants to die
sturdy fulcrum
😂😂
vestal jasper
also mfw I have a player that'll go out of his way to downvote submitted ideas that don't affect him and only upvote ideas that directly benefit him
why are people so selfish
left yacht
by his players
ornate spindle
I wish I could get my jar to be as good as MH's
ornate spindle
I'm too slow
acoustic pilot
Well it's the accumulation of years of work so yeah you'll prob get there lol
Gotta start somewhere
pulsar wigeon
tfw i google this server and their selling point is "hot girls" and "marriage"
heavy rapids
you might've found a human trafficking ring
sturdy fulcrum
I should make a server. Maybe I’d get a player or two
left yacht
nah skittlemc bans those fuckers.
acoustic pilot
will wiz u wanna edate
ornate spindle
isn't that like all of the internet
left yacht
it's safe if they don't add each other on discord.
acoustic pilot
b muh egirl
pulsar wigeon
how much you payin
acoustic pilot
5 diamonds/hr
ornate spindle
90% of minesuperior is 1.12
ornate spindle
yeah
left yacht
We prefer 1.12.2 bya long shot. A lot more features and our players love it too
ornate spindle
though making a jar support high player counts is fucking hard with 1.12
left yacht
our 1.8.8 jar is still more optimized however.
acoustic pilot
meh, as long as you can optimize it to hold 200, it's enough IMO. you can always split into more "realms"
left yacht
we already can do 200.
pulsar wigeon
do big servers have custom versions of everything monkaS
limber knotBOT
Hi, I'm having an issue where Waterfall kicks me off my FTB server every 15-20mins or so
left yacht
wiz, and yeah.
pulsar wigeon
yall rich af or paying your devs pennies lul
acoustic pilot
Good, big networks don't pay pennies
ornate spindle
towny is a different story, if our players weren't aids, it would probably support 300 players
left yacht
15,000 item frames!
limber knotBOT
Story of everything that is
vestal jasper
Also question, why do people log onto servers tagged as survival and ask if it's a prison server?
acoustic pilot
It'll be cheaper than usual, but you can still expect anywhere between 25-40/hr depending on your skills.
limber knotBOT
"If our users weren't shit, this would be great"
What if it's a prison survival server?!
zinc maple
left yacht
with how much yive works I'd be bankrupt. He's still paid a decent amoun tthough.
yive don't bring up your wakatime
it scares me
pulsar wigeon
that'd be pretty good if it wasn't contracted tbh byte
limber knotBOT
read that as wanktime gotta be honest
sturdy fulcrum
I’d like a job
left yacht
can vouch wanktime
acoustic pilot
Yeah, no benefits wiz lol
left yacht
oh ok
limber knotBOT
I want pizza
left yacht
I'm rich in depression
limber knotBOT
Does anywhere pay in pizza?
ornate spindle
drtshock does
left yacht
pretty sure at one point I paid someone in dominos gift cards.
was a long time ago though
limber knotBOT
lol
stiff yarrow
@left yacht whats the pay like
pulsar wigeon
yea i mean i have a good enough 9-5 but it's depressing knowing that i make more in a month from my real job than i've seen in 9 years of working on 2 of the top 3 plugins
limber knotBOT
Thing is, it's possible to have pizza without declaring it for tax! :D
ornate spindle
I remember the craze where a ton of server owners were posting on twitter of them buying their staff pizza
sturdy fulcrum
What plugins wiz
limber knotBOT
wizjany oof :(
acoustic pilot
@pulsar wigeon if WE or WG were premium, they'd be making bank IMO 😛
open source premium model, I mean
stiff yarrow
WE/WG would probably print money
stiff yarrow
no one uses Patreon
acoustic pilot
The two plugins almost every server has is WE and WG
limber knotBOT
"thanks for watching, smash that like button and subscribe and remember to check out my patreon for amazing early access"
acoustic pilot
Seems like a no brainer 😃
stiff yarrow
only Patreons that make money are the ones that paywall it
left yacht
uh nossr we don't discuss exact numbers as everyone gets different rates.
and especially not in here
also patreon is cancer with it's fees.
stiff yarrow
@left yacht is that code for we don't pay well 
limber knotBOT
But Titanic where are you from?
pulsar wigeon
i'm not the sole dev of WE/WG tho
vestal jasper
who are you?
pulsar wigeon
despite the fact that if i weren't maintaining for the past 9 years they'd probably be somewhere completely different
left yacht
nossr, I run a 2,000 player server. We pay decently, I just don't talk about numbers as I don't want 500 developers in my DMs.
it gets old really quickly.
limber knotBOT
slides into Titanic's DMs
sturdy fulcrum
Oh that’s awesome didn’t know you work on wg
left yacht
yeah didn't know he did either.
limber knotBOT
irc never forgets
sturdy fulcrum
Good plugin, I use it
vestal jasper
leaf
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vic
left yacht
I barely remember usernames though.
limber knotBOT
Definitely get on that youtube hype
heavy rapids
plz pay me i a devloper i made /rtp onec
vestal jasper
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
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if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
pulsar wigeon
.copypasta
limber knotBOT
LordKorea wheres ur patreon?
stiff yarrow
@left yacht 2000 concurrently you must be making bank
left yacht
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
pulsar wigeon
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
heavy rapids
it was closed becaz i copid plugin from youtub
limber knotBOT
oof
left yacht
nossr, yes we do, and it also means I have no life.
woeful fern
sturdy fulcrum
Did you all have a good breakfast
stiff yarrow
@left yacht congrats on the success
left yacht
either a new crash exploit (1.8 has a bunch of those recently) or 6tps
acoustic pilot
He prob wouldn't confirm it, but as far as revenue goes, I'd say his network pulls in 40-60k/mo, if not more.
Who knows how much of it goes to devs
tardy lynx
I had 30 at one point lol
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot probably a lot more than that, but idk how hes monetizing it
sturdy fulcrum
I had hot wings
limber knotBOT
nice
acoustic pilot
@stiff yarrow very possible yeah
tardy lynx
Best server generally had 15 peak on weekdays
vestal jasper
my server's peak is 27
limber knotBOT
I had 1m at one point
heavy rapids
test server best server
limber knotBOT
But that wasn't minecraft, it was gamblnig. And it wasn't my company
sturdy fulcrum
I have the best test server hands down
tardy lynx
It didn't even get that much money
vestal jasper
tardy lynx
£20/month and rent was 18
left yacht
can vouch clip
limber knotBOT
I want to test clip's hands
heavy rapids
you live in a tincan?
tardy lynx
2009 Xeon
limber knotBOT
I think they meant server rental lol
sturdy fulcrum
All these developers beg me to sell my domain on spigot lol
heavy rapids
I thought your rent for an apartment
limber knotBOT
What domain?
tardy lynx
no lol
heavy rapids
ik
left yacht
a dirt shack
heavy rapids
not even that
sturdy fulcrum
left yacht
trash can
tardy lynx
I'm 15 I live with my parent
heavy rapids
TitanicFreak: 18 GBP for fucking an apartment
I would do that for 18 GBP
tardy lynx
same
left yacht
I get to become an adult and pay even more bills soon!
tardy lynx
Cheapest I could found was £60/month
left yacht
can't wait to pay for every single utility
sturdy fulcrum
Welcome to life
heavy rapids
ez lifehack: you don't pay for electricity if you don't have it
verbal garnet
at 18 your free trial period expires
acoustic pilot
and file your own taxes, instead of your parents doingit for you
tardy lynx
How do you make a big server?
void void
ramen
limber knotBOT
Please stop making me feel old :(
left yacht
byte I have a CPA.
void void
fuckign efficient fix-it-all tool
left yacht
so that's already sorted
void void
with super glue
acoustic pilot
cool, that's good
void void
.g fix sink with ramen and super glue
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xnq4/can-you-actually-fix-a-sink-with-ramen-like-that-viral-video -- Can You Actually Fix a Sink With Ramen, Like That Viral...: "3 days ago ... In it, there's a sink with a chunk missing; a pair of hands quickly stuffs the ... "The artist will then pour superglue over the..."
heavy rapids
lmao
left yacht
limber knotBOT
"rich people ramen"
heavy rapids
soon we will have houses built out of ramen
left yacht
That's rich people ramen
tardy lynx
and how do you collect lots of donations when you're under 18?
limber knotBOT
omg stop being so young pls
tardy lynx
how does one*
heavy rapids
wizard u 40?
left yacht
wizard no
sturdy fulcrum
Wizard I’m older than you lol
tardy lynx
hmm
stiff yarrow
@left yacht pretty impressive for 19
sturdy fulcrum
Nah
left yacht
oh
acoustic pilot
30 is the new 20, fuck all yall
limber knotBOT
Yeah byte!
left yacht
nossr, I gave up irl friends and ruined my school life
limber knotBOT
That must make 31 the new 21 right!?
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anything above 20 is ancient
limber knotBOT
RIGHT?
left yacht
but yeah pretty impressive
left yacht
I'm 19 and I already feel old because Id on't understand kids anymore.
sturdy fulcrum
We have wisdom
And experience
You didn’t live if you weren’t a child of the 90s
tardy lynx
I don't think I'm gonna get more than 30 players with semi-vanilla again
sturdy fulcrum
What u know about kick a can and cops and robbers
left yacht
vanilla is pretty popular these days afaik.
limber knotBOT
You didn't live if you weren't born in the 80s
acoustic pilot
I spent my 90s childhood cooped up in net cafes in korea playing half-life and starcraft
tardy lynx
Yeah but then cpu limits
sturdy fulcrum
88 baby
left yacht
oh yeah good point
limber knotBOT
clip pls stop being young
unreal quarry
Someone say 80s?
stiff yarrow
@left yacht "nossr, I gave up irl friends and ruined my school life
" you say that like its a bad thing
sturdy fulcrum
Still an 80’s baby
limber knotBOT
Tru
acoustic pilot
school friends be fake as fuck anyway
tardy lynx
If I code a minecraft server from scratch then somehow build up a massive vanilla playerbase
limber knotBOT
80s besties
unreal quarry
\o/
tardy lynx
I'm working on it lol
limber knotBOT
If you do, please write it in something other than Java
tardy lynx
:/
left yacht
to me it was nossr ok?
left yacht
I was considering forcing one of my developers to experiment with making a minecraft server in Go.
then I realized how much of a waste of time that was
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go can go fuck itself
acoustic pilot
the language isn't the problem
limber knotBOT
Oh god that sounds awful
acoustic pilot
the code is.
left yacht
would be cool though.
limber knotBOT
Use rust pls
left yacht
cool, not practical
limber knotBOT
rust is the new hotness
acoustic pilot
if we're rewriting it in a diff language just for the hell of it, then yes rust pls
left yacht
but cpu wise it's ok
tardy lynx
I don't know how I'm gonna do vanilla world generation
acoustic pilot
Java doesn't "eat memory" really.
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rust syntax 
acoustic pilot
Bad programs eat memory.
sturdy fulcrum
You guys have it easy. Wait until you get these messages ...
limber knotBOT
oof clip