Yeah and most of the memory is block data stored in arrays
#general
tardy lynx
left yacht
byte, bad programs can even make good plugins leak memory.
heavy rapids
what you're gonna do with all that saved time
limber knotBOT
benefit of living alone woop
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I'd suspect java might do better than some programs given it has compressed oops
acoustic pilot
@left yacht That statement holds true in any language that goes garbage collection for you
left yacht
We even had mcMMO leaking because of stackmob.
limber knotBOT
stackmob eh
acoustic pilot
Changing languages to another automatically GC'd one doesn't change that fact.
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nossr 
limber knotBOT
more like smackmob
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tbh should just use reference counting
acoustic pilot
In Rust though you could have full control over your memory.
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runs
sturdy fulcrum
Oh just another extra bill. After washer going out yesterday and dropping too much on a new one because we need laundry done
acoustic pilot
Which if memory use is a concern, would be the more ideal choice (and not Go)
left yacht
byteflux, I don't trust most spigot developers managing their own memory.
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what does rust use for memory management anyways
left yacht
leaderheads segfaults everytime you reboot the server
sturdy fulcrum
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.g rust memory management
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://pcwalton.github.io/2013/03/18/an-overview-of-memory-management-in-rust.html -- An Overview of Memory Management in Rust: "Mar 18, 2013 ... One of the key features of Rust that sets it apart from other new languages is that its memory management is manual—the programmer..."
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2013
acoustic pilot
Point being that there is no strong argument against Java in relation to Go.
When deciding "let's make a MC server in XYZ lang"
sturdy fulcrum
Forward all payments to me for a day so I can get right
limber knotBOT
[Spottedleaf retain]
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wat
limber knotBOT
iOS reference counting lol
tardy lynx
Java's my best language anyway so
limber knotBOT
(objective-c technically)
tardy lynx
And also it's gonna be easier to make it work with bukkit plugins
heavy rapids
I like java except for minor details like no primitives in generics
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yeah idk what that means
sturdy fulcrum
Should I pay the bill or “forget”
acoustic pilot
Java is fine if you work harmoniously with the GC, and that'll really hold true for any GC-based lang, otherwise your only other option is manual memory management.
left yacht
so how about that WWDC!
limber knotBOT
You were talking about reference counting lol
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ios reference counting though?
limber knotBOT
259 what?
heavy rapids
probs $?
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tbh I've used reference counting in java
vestal jasper
when will you use your second braincell?
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vic
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
vestal jasper
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
tardy lynx
Server's probably gonna die because race conditions and stuff
limber knotBOT
Sorry I don't understand paying so much to see a doctor
acoustic pilot
It's an American thing, probably.
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so rust appears to use smart pointers
limber knotBOT
I get pissed off when I have to pay £8 for a prescription
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which iirc is just reference counting
left yacht
it's 20 dollars copay for me and I have federal insurance (father works for in homeland security).
acoustic pilot
wizardfrag: In the US, health insurance plans have a "deductible" that you have to pay before your insurance starts covering it.
left yacht
literally everything I do it's 20 dollars
acoustic pilot
Copays are a different matter
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let's see does rust have any other way of managing memory 
left yacht
It used to be 4 dollars but they increased it
limber knotBOT
That’s terrible
acoustic pilot
Yes, yes it is.
A lot of people have very high deductibles because the insurance plan is cheaper that way
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holy shit rust's reference doc is god awful
acoustic pilot
not realizing that they'd have to fork over thousands before their insurance starts to kick in
left yacht
some insurance companies try to get out of paying ER visits now as well.
tardy lynx
*free healthcare*
left yacht
I got a nice ass warning that if I use the ER for anything not life threatening they just won't cover it.
which is fantastic
heavy rapids
._.
left yacht
imagine going to the ER for insane pain, realize it's something minor (Which you had no idea it was minor) and getting a 50k bill.
acoustic pilot
Deductible. The amount you pay for covered health care services before your insurance plan starts to pay. With a $2,000 deductible, for example, you pay the first $2,000 of covered services yourself. After you pay your deductible, you usually pay only a copayment or coinsurance for covered services.
This is the reality for most Americans who have healthcare
heavy rapids
what if you can't pay a doctor's bill? you just go and die?
little ingot
Yeah I have an insurance excess on my car
acoustic pilot
No, legally you are required to be stabilized
The problem in America is preventive care
You can be refused for preventive care because it's not an emergency
And then eventually it turns into an emergency.
left yacht
mine is 500 USD which is ok. I can afford that.
I can imagine how some people can't afford 2k though
most people couldn't come up with 2k
if they had to
acoustic pilot
Your deductible is 500 because you pay a lot more per month for your insurance plan
tardy lynx
Capitalism
verbal garnet
holy fuck i love living in canada
acoustic pilot
People get high deductible plans because they can't afford the monthly premium for a low deductible plan
sturdy fulcrum
My Copay for er is only 30
left yacht
byte, I prefer it ok?
little ingot
My car is £500 excess
heavy rapids
lmao GK
acoustic pilot
I'm not judging your pference
tardy lynx
little ingot
But only if it’s my fault
acoustic pilot
I'm telling you why deductibles are higher or lower
sturdy fulcrum
My wife is an insurance agent so I get those deals
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot tbh isn't the high deductible plan the one that gives you the most coverage
acoustic pilot
Poor people get high deductible plans because the monthly premium is cheaper.
left yacht
nossr, uh they exist on both ends.
stiff yarrow
oh
acoustic pilot
No
The high deductible plans are the ones that cost peanuts each month
It's what poor people usually end up with
left yacht
but generally high deductible are what cause people to go into medical debt.
sturdy fulcrum
High deductible == lower premium because you pay more when you use it
left yacht
because some loophole exists
heavy rapids
._. I guess I gotta be glad I got a year's worth of painkillers for approx. 10 bucks
acoustic pilot
So you can understand the plight of the poor, when they get sick or need treatment
And they have a high deductible plan because they cannot afford the premium for a better plan
sturdy fulcrum
Most poor have Medicaid
acoustic pilot
That's not true.
acoustic pilot
Medicaid is low income federal program but it's up to the state to implement the program.
sturdy fulcrum
Or no insurance at all
acoustic pilot
And a lot of states don't implement it across the poor who really need it.
left yacht
it's a legal requirement to have insurance in america afaik.
otherwise you get a fee on your taxes
sturdy fulcrum
Not anymore
acoustic pilot
For example in California and Oregon, Medicaid is fucking AWESOME, but in Alabama or Kentucky, fuck that shit.
sturdy fulcrum
#trump
fallen oracle
Don't have to worry about fees if you don't pay your taxes 
acoustic pilot
Republicans repealed the individual health insurance mandate and Trump signed the bill.
Trump is why people aren't required to have health insurance anymore.
acoustic pilot
It's honestly not.
sturdy fulcrum
Not forced
acoustic pilot
California is looking to re-add the individual mandate at a state level, thankfully.
with 40 million people we can really put it to good use
acoustic pilot
@left yacht The whole point of it was that it wasn't a choice, it doesn't work when it's a choice.
The point of the individual mandate falls apart when you make it optional.
sturdy fulcrum
I pay lots for health insurance and my whole family will always be covered but that doesn’t mean I think it should be forced
acoustic pilot
The individual mandate is designed to help subsidize health care for the poor, disabled, or otherwise inaccessible
If everyone can just choose to not pay that subsidy, it falls apart (like it is now)
sturdy fulcrum
Why should I pay for something I don’t want or need so it benefits you
acoustic pilot
Compassion
sturdy fulcrum
Seems like something heading towards socialism
acoustic pilot
If you're a Christian this should ring especially true
void void
1.14.3 pre 1 is unplayable tho each chunk load causes lag, compared to 1.14.2 there was none of that lol
left yacht
the choice of bankruptcy or having health care
ok
pre 2?
thought it was only pre1
ok good that was a typo
I was about to panic
sturdy fulcrum
The good thing about this country is we can have different views @acoustic pilot
left yacht
I'm not sure which country is more diverse
the UK or this
the UK is all types of weird fuckery rn though.
sturdy fulcrum
Doesn’t mean I’m less compassionate or don’t care
left yacht
clip, generally it's a good idea to not talk about politics though
acoustic pilot
It actually does, because I don't believe in total freedom.
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personally I prefer anarchy
acoustic pilot
The concept of total freedom is defined as anarchy, and the closer to edge towards it, the closer you move towards anarchy.
sturdy fulcrum
Total freedom != to socialism
Making people do things they choose not to do and then penalizing them because they opt out is not freedom
acoustic pilot
The reason for why is quite important.
sturdy fulcrum
For the sake of everyone
acoustic pilot
The reason is that we want everyone who is poor, disabled or sick to have health care without going broke.
I think that justifies the ends.
The means, rather
sturdy fulcrum
It doesn’t
acoustic pilot
To me it does, I guesss that's where we'd have to disagree.
sturdy fulcrum
If you live for everyone else you will never live for yourself. Sorry but if it were my daughter and neighbor and o has to pick I would choose my daughter
acoustic pilot
As a country we spend more on health care than any other country, we're highly inefficient in health care spending, we could nationalize the whole thing and run it better.
sturdy fulcrum
Not everyone lives above poverty and can afford to help others or benefit them
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isn't 25% of ur country fat ass motherfuckers
acoustic pilot
Poor people aren't impacted by the individual mandate.
acoustic pilot
Under the proper implementation, poor people had cheap/free access to coverage, so they always met their mandate obligations.
sturdy fulcrum
Money doesn’t grow on trees and I work hard for mine
acoustic pilot
The mandate effected the middle class the most
Who by definition are not merely "above poverty" they are much higher than that.
vestal jasper
The fuck is up with discord? It keeps freezing and it just crashed. 🤔
heavy rapids
multiple countries seem to do well with people financing medical insurance via taxation. and these people are not especially poor
acoustic pilot
@heavy rapids yup, but that's too socialist and restricting muh freedumbs
sturdy fulcrum
I’m just middle class but establish yourself cost a lot. My bills are almost close to what I make... how can one get ahead when the system is setup to keep you where you are at
acoustic pilot
I miss medical examinations in Korea, in the US it's just pure ass.
Even the preventive care that you pay for in the US is garbage
Like how do you spend more on health care than any other country but it's still crap?
sturdy fulcrum
Because the people in charge don’t know what’s best or how to handle health care without it benefitting someone’s
Population control
U think they want to cure cancer
acoustic pilot
No, it's because health care in the US is entirely privatized and profit driven.
heavy rapids
change the people in charge, then
acoustic pilot
Every short cut that can be taken, has been taken
vestal jasper
mfw 13 year old joins server saying he's ran a server for 5 years and that he'd be a great staff member
sturdy fulcrum
Think of this
acoustic pilot
People's health shouldn't be a profit-driven industry.
sturdy fulcrum
If they cured aids and cancer alone, imagine what it would do to the economy
acoustic pilot
That's pretty much the crux of my argument.
acoustic pilot
You know I have opinions on sterilization too
limber knotBOT
re: the UK, we do have limits on freedom of speech, but most people here feel those limits are perfectly acceptable
acoustic pilot
I think legislation should be to limit new births
sturdy fulcrum
It’s not about that but speaking about population
acoustic pilot
People should be legally obligated to limit their procreation
sturdy fulcrum
If people didn’t die everyday we wouldn’t sustain
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isn't the uk where some dude got fucked for carrying around an apple peeler or something
fallen oracle
Or just find a popular playground /s
acoustic pilot
Indeed
That's why I'm saying it should be a legal requirement to adopt vs procreate in most situations
Esp in the face of unsustainable population growth
sturdy fulcrum
Not many want to raise a kid they didn’t make
acoustic pilot
Well, attitudes can change.
fallen oracle
Not many want to raise a kid they did make.
sturdy fulcrum
It’s not greedy to think that either
left yacht
Not many people want to raise a kid they didn't want
ANYWAY that's all I'm gonna get into the abortion topic.
sturdy fulcrum
It’s hard enough raising my kids
limber knotBOT
I find Americans pushing back against the thought of paying for healthcare in their taxes laughable, but then that's just a fundamental difference between attitudes in the US vs UK
sturdy fulcrum
Tbh I’d be down for universal system
acoustic pilot
md678685: Americans are fundamentally disconnected from their taxes. They don't even know how it works.
left yacht
Universal would be hard to implement though
limber knotBOT
I think most people are disconnected from their taxes
acoustic pilot
You know how Americans are always bragging about getting a huge tax refund every year?
sturdy fulcrum
I pay taxes so
acoustic pilot
See what I mean?
TitanicFreak has no clue
He's disconnected from how taxes work
And thinks it's something that goes up or down variably
If you get a refund, it means you gave the government an interest free loan and they gave it back to you later.
sturdy fulcrum
I mean what tax we want to talk about. Sales / income / property
left yacht
never had a tax refund byte.
acoustic pilot
The money was always yours to begin with, you overpaid the government
left yacht
nor would I ever get one.
acoustic pilot
The refund is the government telling you "you overpaid this much in taxes"
And you got people celebrating their huge refunds
Like the dumbfucks they are
sturdy fulcrum
Not overpaid
acoustic pilot
Effectively a refund is a repayment by the government for an interest free laon.
loan, even.
sturdy fulcrum
But not overpayment
acoustic pilot
Yes it is an overpayment.
That's why it's called a refund.
When you consolidate your taxes in April, you report how much you earned, how much in taxes you paid, and the IRS comes back to you with a a refund if you overpaid, or they tell you to pay up if you underpaid.
It is entirely an overpayment, nothing else.
limber knotBOT
This makes me realise I know even less about the US tax system than I thought I did, and I didn't think I knew much
acoustic pilot
People who are really good with their taxes never owe or get a tax refund of -100 or +100 each year
If you got a $5000 refund, it means you're shit at paying taxes.
Stop giving the govt so much money.
sturdy fulcrum
Or you take advantage and will get audited
acoustic pilot
You don't get audited for not overpaying your taxes lol
fallen oracle
Selling my premium Snapchat! /s
heavy rapids
i buy for 1e-10 bitcoin
sturdy fulcrum
You get audited at random or when you try to cheat the system lol
wide chasm
At least the government gives you the money back. Would be interesting if they didn't.
sturdy fulcrum
Find some kids to claim for the tax credit
acoustic pilot
Yes there are random audits, and you're highly unlikely to be a target among the 300 million other people.
sturdy fulcrum
See what happens
acoustic pilot
And paying the exact right amount in taxes is not "cheating the system"
sturdy fulcrum
Throw the flag and they will catch it
acoustic pilot
The flag as you put it, would be things like taking enormous deductions relative to your reported income.
Not paying the exact right amount of taxes 😃
acoustic pilot
Are you self-employed @sturdy fulcrum
sturdy fulcrum
Explain a w4 to a noob
acoustic pilot
In your tax reporting
heavy rapids
ooo I'm rich
sturdy fulcrum
No but I claim my PayPal earnings since I make over 20k
Along with my married filing jointly status when filing and both of our w2
Along with homeowner tax docs
acoustic pilot
Well you have to claim it all regardless, the 20k is just the requirement that PayPal has to report it to the IRS
sturdy fulcrum
Not necessarily
acoustic pilot
Yeah the legal requirement for reporting to the IRS is 20k for financial institutions
pulsar wigeon
oic
pulsar wigeon
for financial institutions
pulsar wigeon
and yea, you have to report everything, even if you are exempt from paying taxes on it
sturdy fulcrum
Not necessarily
pulsar wigeon
lots of people just leave small things out tho cuz how will they know :^)
acoustic pilot
By the way, the IRS already has access to your money flow
You know that red flag you were talking about?
Not reporting income is one of those red flags.
pulsar wigeon
well, unless you're paid in cash
sturdy fulcrum
Yep but they also have access to what you spend
fallen oracle
You only have to report money you make from work, right? Like if Grandma slips you a 20, you can keep it on the down low, right?
acoustic pilot
if you're not reporting EVERYTHING you earn AND DEDUCT, then you're doing it wrong.
pulsar wigeon
technically you have to report that too glare
sturdy fulcrum
Lol let me find something real quick
pulsar wigeon
but that's one of things where no one will know
fallen oracle
Damn, grandma trying to get me audited.
acoustic pilot
It's not hard but it goes over the head of some people, for those I'd recommend a CPA
pulsar wigeon
there's literally a box on your tax forms that says "other income sources" or something
that's bday money, drug money, whatever
acoustic pilot
There is no situation that I can think of, besides cash, where you can omit income in your tax filing.
pulsar wigeon
doesn't matter where it comes from, if you have income, it has to be reported
acoustic pilot
Doing so is a no-no.
fallen oracle
Oh okay so you don't have to count cash? Then I should be good then. Grandma coming in clutch.
acoustic pilot
Well as soon as teh cash enters a bank account
pulsar wigeon
cash is just not very traceable so if it's under tax limits it won't get you audited
acoustic pilot
You better report it
pulsar wigeon
^^
acoustic pilot
But if you're storing it in a vault then whatever lol
sturdy fulcrum
This past year tax docs when filing
sturdy fulcrum
Haha
acoustic pilot
@sturdy fulcrum Point is if you aren't reporting ALL REVENUE then you've made a huge mistake.
wide chasm
Do you guys have to report gifts on your taxes as well?
sturdy fulcrum
I do
fallen oracle
Nah money from Grandma doesn't touch my bank, it gets spent on other stuff.
pulsar wigeon
you have to report gifts, but gifts are generally tax exempt up to a very large amount
fallen oracle
So you have to report everything, but are you exempt if it's under a specific amount?
pulsar wigeon
yea
wide chasm
Oh, I don't even have to report gifts if they are under 2148 EUR per year per gifter.
acoustic pilot
The IRS doesn't mess around with that, they want to know every source of income
Not reporting would be considered "hiding" money
fallen oracle
My dog found a quarter in the dirt one day on a walk, I'll make sure to write up a paragraph on that for them.
acoustic pilot
Whether you pay taxes on that income is irrelevant, ofc
sturdy fulcrum
I’ve reported every transaction o have ever made thru paypal although it’s irrelevant
pulsar wigeon
you can get like 100k per year tax free from an individual without paying taxes on it. it's like 14k from a business tho?
don't really remember tbh
fallen oracle
I make like $10 a year so I should be good.
sturdy fulcrum
So go preach to these server owners from the us
pulsar wigeon
gift limits are very high, but yea need to report them
fallen oracle
So the cap is how high it can go before you have to pay taxes on it?
sturdy fulcrum
I actually pay a lawyer who specializes in insurance to handle my filing
No tax act for me
acoustic pilot
I do all my own filing, super easy once you grasp it.
sturdy fulcrum
Worth the $$
acoustic pilot
I do have tools though like QuickBooks Self-Employed to help keep my deductions separated.
pulsar wigeon
i've always just used free services like turbotax/creditkarma
my taxes are generally pretty simple tbh
acoustic pilot
Using an accountant doesn't shield you from audit liability, @sturdy fulcrum
Unless you actually paid for an audit protection service of some sort.
fallen oracle
It's a good thing I keep all the receipts of the humble bundles I buy, I can probably add those on.
acoustic pilot
Often it's an extra thing.
pulsar wigeon
since i have a normal job and don't make much at all from MC stuff
sturdy fulcrum
My lawyer is held accountable for any mistakes. I’m not liable it’s in the contract
Come again
pulsar wigeon
well, it is an extra thing
acoustic pilot
So you did pay for it then? Cool
austere ivy
Clip, 2 things
pulsar wigeon
it just happens to be in your contract
sturdy fulcrum
Yep I pay for it
austere ivy
- Fancy new avatar
sturdy fulcrum
And it’s worth it
austere ivy
- You have a lawyer??
austere ivy
You’re like “yeah from Minecraft, irl jobs, bank robbing, drug dealing, you know the usual stuff”
sturdy fulcrum
During the summer I host a lego class at the local university with a friend
austere ivy
Oh that’s cool!
fallen oracle
What is generally a good credit score?
sturdy fulcrum
780
acoustic pilot
700
austere ivy
9012
sturdy fulcrum
700 will get you a $250 credit line with capital one
austere ivy
What’s the max again?
sturdy fulcrum
Lol
austere ivy
900?
acoustic pilot
depends on the scoring system
fallen oracle
Im above 700, so I think I'm doing okay.
austere ivy
Seems to be 850
acoustic pilot
yes, 700 is good
sturdy fulcrum
Above 700 is good but not optimal
acoustic pilot
no it's fine
sturdy fulcrum
Keep building
sturdy fulcrum
With 700 it would be hard to secure a mortgage
acoustic pilot
sure, a mortgage
sturdy fulcrum
What’s credit for then
fallen oracle
I'm 18, I don't think I'll have a house for a few years.
acoustic pilot
you can still rent apartments, buy a car, get a loan etc
sturdy fulcrum
I mean if you don’t have the credit to get what you want what’s the point
stiff yarrow
@sturdy fulcrum what line of work are you in
sturdy fulcrum
Pimp
acoustic pilot
He's 18, he's just building his credit history.
Most people are twice his age and have half his score.
sturdy fulcrum
And that’s good to be at 700
austere ivy
You build good credit by spending money on a credit card and then paying it back when they first say? Or is it immediately?
stiff yarrow
taking out a bunch of loans isn't really smarto though
fallen oracle
I'm more around 770, so, that's pretty good for building.
stiff yarrow
credit should be used sparingly
acoustic pilot
You build credit by paying your bills on time, paying your credit balance on time, etc
fallen oracle
Yup, I do it by credit card stuff.
sturdy fulcrum
But to secure loans and other things such as purchasing a new car with low apr you need credit
acoustic pilot
When paying your credit card it's really simple: every month, always pay the "Last Statement Balance" before the "Next Statement Date" -- your online banking should make this easy to do.
heavy rapids
I've never quite understood credit scores
acoustic pilot
If you follow that rule, you will easily build credit score on your credit card
heavy rapids
like it dictates the max loan you can take?
austere ivy
I think it just shows how good you are at paying credit back
sturdy fulcrum
Only use credit cards which you can afford to make the purchase with cash with
That’s the rule
acoustic pilot
True, but in general you should always use your credit card
austere ivy
And banks and credit unions don’t want to give someone money who won’t pay it back
acoustic pilot
As long as you do have the equivalent cash amount
sturdy fulcrum
If you have the cash to cover it
acoustic pilot
Because your credit card is one of the greatest ways to build credit
fallen oracle
The way we did it in my family is my parents (who both have a credit score above 800) added my name to a credit card and then that builds my score.
austere ivy
My parents rule is to bring cash everywhere when they need it, use a credit card for rewards and stuff then pay it off immediately with cash In the store.
sturdy fulcrum
If you don’t do it right
acoustic pilot
Just portion some cash every month for your credit card spending
austere ivy
Which is my rule too.
acoustic pilot
Eventually you'll get used to it where you don't have to portion so aggressively
austere ivy
Always have cash for your credit.
acoustic pilot
but yes you should use credit card for everything
stiff yarrow
@heavy rapids credit scores are basically a rating system of how likely you are to hold up your end of a financial agreement
heavy rapids
I see
austere ivy
BYTEFLUX! He’s a bank shill! He wants you to use credit! Get him!!!
stiff yarrow
the dyslexia is strong with me
sturdy fulcrum
The thing that helped me is always treat the credit card as a debit card. If you don’t have the cash to cover the purchase, don’t use it
acoustic pilot
Yeah you don't really wanna end up in debt
Using the CC is good, just don't treat it as free money lol
You have to pay it back
sturdy fulcrum
With interest
acoustic pilot
paying too frequently is not good either @stiff yarrow IIRC
sturdy fulcrum
Nope
acoustic pilot
that's why I always pay the last statement balance
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot can't be bad tho
acoustic pilot
once a month
sturdy fulcrum
Only pay when it’s due
acoustic pilot
which is the proven method
pulsar wigeon
i just have my bank automatically make a monthly payment for the current balance
acoustic pilot
nah due is bad too
sturdy fulcrum
No it’s not
pulsar wigeon
don't wait til it's due
austere ivy
“it isn’t free money”
every person 50000 in debt: “whAaAAaaaAaAat?!?!”
acoustic pilot
You can get slapped with interest on "due" because people some times only make the minimum payment
pulsar wigeon
pay when you get the bill or at some other regular date
stiff yarrow
idk, I haven't seen solid proof about this anywhere
sturdy fulcrum
Well I mean before or when it’s due
acoustic pilot
As long as you pay your outstanding balance before the next statement, you're golden
acoustic pilot
But it should only have to be done once a month
acoustic pilot
Pay off your card once a month
austere ivy
LordKorea, you get rewards and discounts with credit cards
acoustic pilot
Not 10 times a month
heavy rapids
brian, most places around here only accept cash lol
austere ivy
The only reason to use a credit card (for me) is to get rewards.
heavy rapids
rural flyspeck
sturdy fulcrum
Don’t spend more than 50% either
stiff yarrow
using it 10 times a month would be... difficult
ancient bolt
I pay my credit card 10 times a day
pulsar wigeon
:hyperthonk:
ancient bolt
Brian you're not even old enough to legally have a credit card
austere ivy
Oh, around here, EVERY store has their own card that if you use with them, you get cool discounts and stuff.
stiff yarrow
@austere ivy its for credit building mostly
fallen oracle
I don't even think I use my credit card 10 times a month.
sturdy fulcrum
Utilization is a big thing as well when building credit
ancient bolt
Also you thought $200 was a huge amount of money
acoustic pilot
You wanna have like a 15-20% utilization rate on your card, IIRC.
austere ivy
For spending on Minecraft, sure.
stiff yarrow
did I miss a conversation where Brian was blown away by 200 dollars
fallen oracle
Luckily my parents use the card too so that counts up.
sturdy fulcrum
But it’s not responsible for them to just build it for you
fallen oracle
Correct, I know.
sturdy fulcrum
Ya the lake is gonna be fun
finite wave
What's this shit https://u.teknik.io/PjJjp.png
fallen oracle
I have a kit to make BBQ sauce if you're interested.
sturdy fulcrum
Bring it
fallen oracle
Awesome, I will.
austere ivy
Also, @ancient bolt, where I'm currently living (Colombia), 200$ is a lot of money. A person's wage for the day is 10$ (30000 cop), so 200$ is months of saving because they also have to pay, you know, rent, and food.
Even if they didn't have t pay rent, and food, they would have to save for 20 days just to get 200$.
finite wave
Maybe for a child
austere ivy
Economy here is super messed up, but that's how it is here.
acoustic pilot
Maybe you should invade Venezuela and take all their oil.
austere ivy
they're invading us lol
pulsar wigeon
he only has 2 brain cells cuz he's a crack baby
acoustic pilot
~_~
sturdy fulcrum
Rip
austere ivy
You're correct on that last part, you make good money here selling heroin
I meant cocaine but
finite wave
Who are you kidding, Brian is too autistic to try any drugs.
pulsar wigeon
i never said he tried them
acoustic pilot
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Dave Chapelle-Baby On The Corner - length 4m - 2,253 likes, 63 dislikes (97.3%) - 510,001 views - smeckledwarf76 on 2008.06.24
sturdy fulcrum
RIP
verbal garnet
make good money sellin coke, then die at 25 because of some stupid fight lol
sturdy fulcrum
that’s a bit savage to say
finite wave
Oh, his parents. Yes i see, sry not familiar with all the english terms.
No worries, Brian knows the truth
austere ivy
90% of my life I've lived in the US but just for a bit I've been here in Colombia.
pulsar wigeon
tbh tho why lol
limber knotBOT
cocæroin
sturdy fulcrum
He’s a mule
pulsar wigeon
sounds like a terrible place to go live
austere ivy
It's awful.
finite wave
Why did you go live there?
sturdy fulcrum
His parents have good jobs
finite wave
I see, somewhere they put all the autists
verbal garnet
austere ivy
Lemme go outside and get a picture.
finite wave
Outside!?!?!?! Are you insane, you might get sun on your skin.
stiff yarrow
Brians mom is doing some important stuff there and he gets dragged along everytime
austere ivy
finite wave
Why are you showing me your deoderant?
stiff yarrow
and I don't think its unreasonable that a 14/15 year old thinks 200 is a lot of money
void void
anyone else see the spigot thread on the guy making a movable penis with armorstands
bahahahhaha
austere ivy
That's sunscreen are you ok Jan
Nossr it's not a lot of money in America but I'm just saying over here it's 20 days of an average wage.
tardy lynx
200 is a lot for me
austere ivy
People get paid a solid 30000 COP (10 USD) for 12 hours of work.
finite wave
Stop thinking 200$ is a lot of money, unless you are living in some weird country.
acoustic pilot
but yeah cost of living varies everywhere you go
it's not really too important
because local prices will reflect local wages any way
stiff yarrow
I used to get shitloads of food for about 80~ bucks every 2 weeks
unreal quarry
I make $20+/hr and I'm always broke
acoustic pilot
Cost of living BIlly! 😃
pulsar wigeon
beans and rice goes a loooong way
acoustic pilot
Works the same way in Colombia, I'm sure.
finite wave
I just think Brian is undereducated.
stiff yarrow
yeah but imagine you lived in Poland @unreal quarry 
austere ivy
Rice and beans is literally amazing 👀
acoustic pilot
~_~
austere ivy
No seriously though it's kind of nice being a US citizen and then coming here.
sturdy fulcrum
Lol stretch 200 for food 2 months
austere ivy
Legit I could take 1000 dollars and start a new life here lol.
stiff yarrow
for one person you can def do it @sturdy fulcrum
acoustic pilot
Sure, you absolutely could.
sturdy fulcrum
I spend 300 a week for myself, wife, and 2 kids
austere ivy
Which is why people try to rob us, constantly.
sturdy fulcrum
At least
acoustic pilot
Some quinoa, frozen veggies, mushrooms and sausages
Can buy 2 months worth with $200 probably
austere ivy
^ this guy knows what's up
sturdy fulcrum
It includes things like toilet paper and other necessities
stiff yarrow
I would spend about 160 a month on myself for food in the past, and I was even buying junk food using only that much, I just bought smart things at the grocery store
acoustic pilot
If you wanna go really cheap, beans are the way
It doesn't get cheaper than pinto beans
sturdy fulcrum
Have kids
acoustic pilot
and highly nutritious too
unreal quarry
I have 6 kids \o/
stiff yarrow
@austere ivy yeah but then you'd be living in columbia
damn Billy
I grew up in a 4 kid household and hated it
austere ivy
colOmbia
verbal garnet
good lord
sturdy fulcrum
Billy deserves food stamps
pulsar wigeon
kids are gross
acoustic pilot
he's in Texas, they do everything in their power over there to make sure people don't have food stamps.
austere ivy
I've got 3 sisters and 1 mother and 1 father and then me
sturdy fulcrum
Lol
acoustic pilot
I remember I put your numbers into California's health care thing BIlly and your whole family would have free Medicaid here lol
Texas is just brutal on social services
stiff yarrow
in some states Medicaid is really strict
sturdy fulcrum
What’s childcare like for 6 kids? Hope one of you take care of them
stiff yarrow
I was in a 4 kid household and our lives were pretty miserable from it
austere ivy
@stiff yarrow how?
unreal quarry
No lol
sturdy fulcrum
U need the snip snip
austere ivy
I'm in a 4 kid household and we got by fine.
acoustic pilot
Probably because you have to share everything and you have no privacy.
austere ivy
Oh.
stiff yarrow
Billys whole life is one epic journey waiting to become a best selling book
austere ivy
I have 3 sisters.
My 3 sisters share their girl-y stuff.
I have never had to share anything I had ever.
acoustic pilot
Maybe your 3 sisters don't feel the same way you feel about living under the same roof Brian
Considered that? 😃
austere ivy
No we're preeeetty tight.
unreal quarry
It's actually pretty boring @stiff yarrow I just sit in front of my PC all the time (when I'm not on some epic adventure)
austere ivy
They're excited for them to come to Colombia for a bit (and me to come back for a bit) ;p
stiff yarrow
@austere ivy it was not the kids fault, the parents just didn't have the resources among other reasons
sturdy fulcrum
Pay attention to your kids
austere ivy
Ah ok, nossr.
sturdy fulcrum
Damn ok old man
stiff yarrow
@austere ivy having siblings is great, being super poor your whole life isn't so great
unreal quarry
But she plays Minecraft with me all the time still
sturdy fulcrum
So they are more expensive now
pulsar wigeon
anyone have any recommended vnc viewers for windows
acoustic pilot
o.o
stiff yarrow
probably called baby because shes the most recent Brian @austere ivy 
unreal quarry
Realvnc
austere ivy
Oh okay yeah whoops lol
stiff yarrow
that's what federal loans are for
acoustic pilot
probably isn't
stiff yarrow
acoustic pilot
most likely they'll have to get loans
austere ivy
Poor Billy
unreal quarry
I already told them, no college unless they find a way to pay for it. I'm not rich
^_^
stiff yarrow
the federal government will pay for it
austere ivy
My family's pretty lucky, one of my siblings is going for a PhD (she's a masters atm) in communication and so she got a loooottaa scholarships.
austere ivy
Other two have been working while they're going to college.
unreal quarry
You'd think so, nossr. But they didn't for me :(
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry its different now
austere ivy
So they don't have much debt which is nice.
golden gust
"Can't teach an old dog new tricks" I'd guess
stiff yarrow
fed government is more than willing to rob you blind
pulsar wigeon
loans are bad mmk
austere ivy
No kidding, nossr
sturdy fulcrum
College isn’t always the best way either
stiff yarrow
yea
sturdy fulcrum
You can make money without it
pulsar wigeon
go get a 2 year degree from a community college, figure out what you want to do with life, transfer credits to in-state public college :^)
stiff yarrow
learning a trade can pay really well
unreal quarry
Closest I got was a loan for ITT that got sold to navient, then they denied my 2nd year loan so kicked me out. Now I owe $50k for a loan to navient for a degree I never got from a school that's now closed. \o/
pulsar wigeon
the idea that going to a 35-50k+ college will somehow guarantee you a good job that will repay loans is dumb tbh
unreal quarry
Sally Mae sold it to navient
stiff yarrow
not familiar with these words
unreal quarry
Happens all the time with loans
stiff yarrow
.g navient
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.navient.com/ -- Navient | Asset Management, Consumer Lending, and Business...: "Log in to your Navient student loan account. Learn about your student loans in repayment. Navient is a servicer of federal and private student loans..."
stiff yarrow
are you describing a scenario where you got a loan, but the school shut down and you still had to pay the loan without finishing school
sturdy fulcrum
Loans are sold
unreal quarry
No, they closed afterwards
stiff yarrow
@pulsar wigeon the 35-50k colleges are the cheap ones
sturdy fulcrum
The recipient takes over the loan and buys it out lower than the value and then assumes responsibility so they can make some profit
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Exactly what I want to step on right after a shower : DiWHY - 119 comments, 1,624 points - BigDickSwaanginn, 3h ago
austere ivy
Brilliant.
Live moss bath mat.
Exactly what anyone would like to step on after a shower.
Ahh, feet are all clean, let's put some moss and dirt on them!
pulsar wigeon
the college i went to was like $30k for out-of-state students, much less for in state, minus room and board since i lived at home, plus a scholarship - i paid less than $1000 a year for college
¯_(ツ)_/¯
heady spear
I get paid to attend university 😃
pulsar wigeon
pirate your textbooks kids
finite wave
The college i'm going to is like $0, and the University i'm gonna go too is like $0
heavy rapids
I paid ~$400 per year
pulsar wigeon
yea city you're also living on the street tho
upper flicker
Wait a week to see if you need them, then pirate them
pulsar wigeon
^^
finite wave
@heady spear Perks of us western plebs
heady spear
I live in an apartment across from campus 😛 Living on the streets would be cheaper tbf
heavy rapids
and I never needed a single textbook for my degree
well
for my thesis, but that was my own choice
sturdy fulcrum
I didn’t attend college
heady spear
It's kind of neat not paying for university and then getting some free cash money to pay for rent and stuff. Not that it covers the entire rent, not by far, but 🤷
heavy rapids
and I "found" it on a flash drive lying around.
heady spear
Imagine living in the US lol
heavy rapids
I couldn't afford it
heady spear
doesn't the US have kinda insane interest on the student loans as well?
heady spear
<.<
finite wave
M8, @austere ivy we live in some of the happiest countries on the planet.
sturdy fulcrum
I’d like to move to Korea
heady spear
No, I live in Sweden. We ain't socialist :p
finite wave
We are socialliberalists
heavy rapids
but last night in sweden
finite wave
idk what the english term is.
heady spear
Look, all I'm saying is that you can get through your entire education here without paying anything lol
heavy rapids
I'd love to go to sweden on vacation. but I'd probably freeze to death :D
heady spear
It's really hot and humid atm
finite wave
Same, well not if you want to like go on a vacation with the school, or do some other school activities. But it is certainly possible.
heavy rapids
26.7°C / 80% here :(
finite wave
@heady spear Not really... That hot
heavy rapids
too humid for my taste
heady spear
Up until university all school activites have to be free here, Jan
limber knotBOT
"yEaH bUt UnI fEeS dRiVe CoMpEtItIoN aNd FuNd ImPrOvEmEnT" - England for some reason
void void
Check this out, it’s comedy gold
heavy rapids
what in the actual
heavy rapids
lmao yahtzee
heavy rapids
90°F = ?°C 🤔
heady spear
Plus, we got like $120 per month for attending high school lol
austere ivy
80% humidity is normal
heavy rapids
90°C would be almost boiling water
austere ivy
32c I believe?
limber knotBOT
90°C 
heavy rapids
oh
heady spear
I kind of like the Swedish weather. It never gets too cold, and it never gets too hot.
heavy rapids
somebody in my class once called the temperature scale kelvin "kevin" and it stuck with me
"How warm is it?" -- "303 kevin."
limber knotBOT
5000 kevins
heady spear
We barely ever dip below -30 in the winters, and the summers keep under +30
limber knotBOT
-30 is acceptable
sturdy fulcrum
If he sets it not small that penis plugin could be worth a lot on skittle mc
finite wave
You get < 20?
limber knotBOT
We barely reach 0
heady spear
I live close to the Norwegian border and it does get a bit colder here than in Stockholm
limber knotBOT
also hi Americans are we confusing you with our sane temperature scale?
heady spear
It can get really fucking cold in northern Sweden tho but no one lives there lol
finite wave
To be fair we sometimes get below 20
heavy rapids
lmao md
heady spear
We get a fuck tonne of snow tho
heavy rapids
There was this one showerthought on reddit
heady spear
like it wasn't uncommon for school to be cancelled because the buses couldn't get there, that was dope
fresh ermine
fuck snow thats all i have to say
heavy rapids
Fahrenheit is asking people how hot it feels, celsius is asking water how hot it feels, and kevin is asking atoms how hot it feels
heady spear
I don't mind snow that I live 2 minutes from campus lol
fresh ermine
yeah that would be nice lmfao
finite wave
I wish
fresh ermine
i live ina big college town, so the driving is really horrid
especially in snow
but on top of that, i just hate being cold as hell
heady spear
I pay a shit tonne for my apartment but the perk is that I can leave 5 minutes before class starts
so I don't really mind it
fresh ermine
if there was a warm snow, i would be ALL over that
it is pretty tho
especially the first snowfall
heady spear
I don't like being cold either
heavy rapids
@static badge unbalanced parenthesis in your git comment
(2*(45 - (32 - view distance) + 1)^2
can't unsee
heady spear
I used to live in the middle of no where, and our house would get to like ~13 degrees in the winter
static badge
I know
fresh ermine
idk if its cus im skinny as fuck or what but no matter how much i layer and try to cover up i always get cold
static badge
it's a real shame most of those reports were just spawn is loaded
fresh ermine
what happened?
heavy rapids
what does vanilla load these additional chunks for 🤔
static badge
because it's retarded it seems
fresh ermine
what chat / chat formatting plugins do yall use?
heady spear
Spotted keeps referring to themself by 'it' ._.
heavy rapids
paper devs should assault mojang HQ and replace java edition's devs
austere ivy
.spottedweaboo
heady spear
I was thinking of going to Stockholm next week-ish anyway
so I can raid their office
heavy rapids
nice
austere ivy
Hey where's that spottedweaboo command I tried to add?
heavy rapids
please don't accept police negotiations that bring 1.14.3 to anything less than 1.12 perf
heady spear
they should hire me when I'm there tbh
I've taken a years worth of university courses so I should be more than qualified
austere ivy
Oy who here is Astei?
I heard that name before.
Wasn't that Tux? Someone named Astei apparently contributed to NuVotifier this time but I thought I heard that name before.
pulsar wigeon
yes
heady spear
@finite wave where besides København is worth visiting in Denmark? 🤔
golden gust
Anøufa Cuntri
heady spear
excuse me sir but denmark is dope
golden gust
Sir, I believe if the country was worth something we'd be in ownership of it
Then again, we own the sorries, sooo
heady spear
Did Denmark have loads of emigrants? 🤔 I know loads of swedes left for ze americas
that's why loads of y'all have fake scandinavian surnames
pulsar wigeon
👀
stray wing
limber knotBOT
Cityweebstret it is a fact that 98.4% of people who live in Sweden are gay. Thats cool. Reason is that everybody with 1g of manliness moved to the USA back in about 1910.
heavy rapids
we know volte
vocal condor
Just in case 
heavy rapids
did they fix the c&p mistake in the description already?
vocal condor
c&p?
limber knotBOT
mmh?
heavy rapids
be me, mojang QA
get paid by issues fixed
fix issues twice
mfw
limber knotBOT
They going to fix the autosave issue? That big lag spike every 5min is not fun =/
limber knotBOT
I actually turned it off with /save-off
just don't have shitty disks?
the spikes are gone but a crash would really suck
Got a really good Samsung Pro SSD
finite wave
@heady spear Tbf i wouldn’t even recommend copenhagen
Not really that into the history etc. I only like it due to alcohol and me living here and getting free stuff
heady spear
🤔 I mean yeah, I get that
limber knotBOT
What I did was save-off and then make a crontab that will do a save-all once every 3hours. Players get a msg "will be lag in 10sec" before the poop hits the fan.
using tmux to inject the msg
finite wave
That’s broken english
limber knotBOT
Maybe I am Jamaican and have a fat spliff in my hand
finite wave
Cool
limber knotBOT
heh
heady spear
yeahsure u do
limber knotBOT
Just /save-off then start the game in tmux. Then set up a crontab like 0 */3 * * * /usr/bin/tmux send-keys -t minecraft 'say Scheduled maintenance in 3min. May cause a few minuets of minor lag.' ENTER
limber knotBOT
yeah so I don't have to do it manually
heavy rapids
sounds like a 10 minute plugin
Bukkit.getScheduler().scheduleSyncRepeatingTask(plugin, () -> Bukkit.getConsoleSender().sendCommand("/save-all"), time, time);
or sth
limber knotBOT
this just injects the msg. Then I inject the save-all cmd
heavy rapids
meh
limber knotBOT
idk...seems to work. Not much bitching on the server now.
from having a big ass dip every 5min to this https://timings.aikar.co/?id=b7bee33441e9433f84fe76a1959a2a54
Do you think Jesus will make Trump win 2020? Ill never masturbate again if he does!
heavy rapids
quality shitpost
limber knotBOT
=P
pulsar wigeon
you can tell it was a prank when you see the camera he said he'd stop masturbating
limber knotBOT
I wanna a huge 4x4 monster truck with a gun rack. Lots of NRA stickers and a cap with my favorite NAS car driver.
sturdy fulcrum
I back
brittle wigeon
limber knotBOT
=)
heavy rapids
lmao
heavy rapids
but that will make brian rarted
austere ivy
I don't want to end up like spottedweaboo.
I blame all of you being a bad influence on leaf >;o
stiff yarrow
Leaf was the one who got me into anime
limber knotBOT
My mother blames my 3ed stepdad
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nossr
austere ivy
IT'S THE THIRD OF MY MONTH
static badge
only thing I'll have to do with you and anime is get you out of it
austere ivy
be right back time to collect my monies
stiff yarrow
spotted is just a classic tsundere
austere ivy
Yes I think I am going to go get a lamborghini and then maybe buy a house or two
See you later losers I'm rich ez
stiff yarrow
sturdy fulcrum
Send me some
austere ivy
Wait I don't have a bank account.
stiff yarrow
I only had enough money to sub to Brian
austere ivy
Don't worry clip I'll patron you some
static badge
.g tsundere
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere -- Tsundere - Wikipedia: "Tsundere is a Japanese term for a character development process that describes a person who is initially cold (and sometimes even hostile) before..."
static badge
that's cancer
austere ivy
I'll give uhh, 25% to clip, the rest to my college/pc fund ;D
old badge
very edgy
stiff yarrow
don't act like you didn't already know what tsundere was spotted
heavy rapids
when did this channel get weeb central
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
Tell you what, clip, you're trustable, right?
static badge
never what it meant
sturdy fulcrum
No
austere ivy
Oh, nevermind then.
sturdy fulcrum
Does that make me trustable since I told u the truth
austere ivy
So who do I give my money to???
sturdy fulcrum
Send it
austere ivy
wait what
wiz so I'd earn 0.1% of it every month?
I earn interest!? Cool you can be my bank account :D
austere ivy
nossr help me here with investing
Tell you what, clip, I'll loan the 1.90$ to you but you have to pay me 2$ by the end of the month. Deal?
Okay okay, I'll cut it to 1.95$ by the end of the month. Deal?
stiff yarrow
I don't know if that's a good deal for clip
can't you just enjoy my 2 dollars instead of giving it away asap
austere ivy
I need to bank it somewhere. Let me see if there's a teen checking account I can get.
What's your guys' experience with Capital One?
They seem to have a teen checking account that looks good, no minimum deposit, no fees..
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pulsar wigeon
sounds like the jetbrains model
give students free shit so they can sell it when they graduate and find work
austere ivy
Capital One it is!
golden gust
Never used 'em, the fact that they sent me a "you should apply!" every year kinda turned me off them
austere ivy
What do you use?
pulsar wigeon
yea tbh the more "pre-approved credit card" spam i get in the mail from a company, the less likely i am to look at them
pulsar wigeon
for what
austere ivy
Bank account.
pulsar wigeon
tbh i didn't even realize capital one did checking accounts
austere ivy
They have a teen account which is what I need..
pulsar wigeon
i assumed they just had a credit card thing going LUL
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what do you guys think about the new Mac Pro?
pulsar wigeon
🚮
old badge
it looks like a Cheese grater
austere ivy
Trash can -> Cheese grater
austere ivy
Oh wow no kidding it really does look like a cheese grater.
golden gust
That's beautiful
pulsar wigeon
nice cheese grater
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Revolutionary apple design
austere ivy
Stunning
acoustic pilot
They must've run out of ideas Jobs left behind.
Without their visionary, things seem to be getting aesthetically worse IMO
void void
What if someone ACTUALLY thought it was an overpriced cheese grater espeically if a genius left it in the kitchen?
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"The new Intel Xeon processor inside the Mac Pro will have up to 28 cores, with up to 300W of power and heavy-duty cooling, “so it can run unconstrained at full power at all times.” System memory can be maxed out at an eyebrow-raising 1.5TB, says Apple."
void void
So more than likely it's an E proccessor.
austere ivy
Wait
System memory can be maxed out at an eyebrow-raising 1.5TB?
Do they mean system MEMORY or system STORAGE
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Oh and it also wouldn't be Apple without something proprietary: "With this Mac Pro, Apple is launching a custom expansion module it calls an MPX Module. "
austere ivy
Because MEMORY would be 1.5TB of RAM and that is insane.