People don't just rush out and shoot.
#general
rose pier
gloomy sphinx
i mean killing people in a game is much more satisfying than running around planting cuboids
unreal quarry
those people should play games like cod or fortnite then and leave the rest of us alone
😉
acoustic pilot
The point was that people would do anything to "win"
gloomy sphinx
imagine if they stuck a kill cooldown in battlefield
same
its like itching that spot under your massive neckbeard
feels good
unreal quarry
and thats why i dont play those games ^_^
point proven
you think your kind sticks to their own servers? ya'll are a plague
cant even play that plane simulator game because theres always the ones that just want to break emersion and crash into the tower or some stupid shit
gloomy sphinx
you could always go to a roleplay convention
unreal quarry
puts andgk and tcc on his shit list and goes back to coding
void void
hey is there plugin when you join a server messege appears on the whole screen 1.14.1?
void void
yes
gloomy sphinx
try that in google
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void void
1.14.1?
gloomy sphinx
should work
gloomy sphinx
it does it all
you could just learn command block coding and paste 100 command blocks around spawn just like mojang intended delete spigot because you dont need plugins and use /title @a title {"text":"Your Text","color":"dark_red"}
i took over a towny server a year ago and they were using command blocks for most things
the armor stand command blocks were massive
and super laggy
not to mention buggy when sometimes the armor stands were unbreakable and invisible took forever to find a working command to remove them
to create some sort of portal that would teleport you to a hand made manually run events world
pretty much portals somehow
and something to do with fire
dont really know but it was removed right away
yeah they had no idea
hollow cave
gloomy sphinx
except for the lag
they also had skript scripts checking every player every second if they had all different types of armor
and also would drop emeralds on the ground through skript
the whole thing was skript and command blocks
with some buggy plugins
idle usage was 32gb ram solid lol
yeah it has 50 players too
had*
dense cove
gloomy sphinx
the idea was unique
it was a cyberpunk based towny server
still your basic towny server but it had the story and ideas players liked
probably because the person running it was a furry who would talk in 3rd person
they had default multicraft passwords
loljk
they couldnt run the server so they gave it to me
for free
yeah you can build a good server if you put the time in and the focus is to run the server not turn it into a lottery machine
slot machine rather
unreal quarry
takes tcc off his shit list
gloomy sphinx
no pay to win just fun
static badge
we having an argument about 1.7?
god 1.7 was the best for pvp
good times
<DiscordBot> <Spottedleaf> we having an argument about 1.7?
<DiscordBot> <Spottedleaf> god 1.7 was the best for pvp
<DiscordBot> <AndGK> yes
<DiscordBot> <Spottedleaf> good times
<DiscordBot> <AndGK> no
shame irc doesn't forget
static badge
not according to that order
gloomy sphinx
microsoft wants to keep minecraft alive for 100 years
static badge
welcome to nested lambdas within each other I bet
cosmic raft
:>
static badge
ofc it's ur shit with the lambdas
all fuckin nested 
at net.kyori.invent.util.Publications.lambda$null$2(Publications.java:43)
at net.kyori.invent.util.Publications.forEachPublication(Publications.java:36)
at net.kyori.invent.util.Publications.lambda$forEachPublication$0(Publications.java:25)
at net.kyori.invent.util.Publications.forPublications(Publications.java:20)
at net.kyori.invent.util.Publications.forEachPublication(Publications.java:25)
at net.kyori.invent.util.Publications.lambda$addToMavenPublications$3(Publications.java:42)
public class Publications {
public static <P extends Publication> void forPublications(final Project project, final Class<P> type, final Consumer<NamedDomainObjectSet<P>> consumer) {
final PublishingExtension extension = project.getExtensions().findByType(PublishingExtension.class);
if(extension != null) {
consumer.accept(extension.getPublications().withType(type));
}
}
public static <P extends Publication> void forEachPublication(final Project project, final Class<P> type, final Supplier<Collection<String>> names, final Consumer<P> consumer) {
forPublications(project, type, publications -> forEachPublication(publications, names.get(), consumer));
}
public static <P extends Publication> void forEachPublication(final Project project, final Class<P> type, final Collection<String> names, final Consumer<P> consumer) {
forPublications(project, type, publications -> forEachPublication(publications, names, consumer));
}
public static <P extends Publication> void forEachPublication(final NamedDomainObjectSet<P> publications, final Collection<String> names, final Consumer<P> consumer) {
if(!names.isEmpty()) {
names.stream().map(publications::getByName).forEach(consumer);
}
}
public static Action<Project> addToMavenPublications(final Supplier<Collection<String>> publications, final TaskProvider<Jar> jar) {
return project -> forEachPublication(project, MavenPublication.class, publications, publication -> publication.artifact(jar.get()));
}
}
no big deal
static badge
cosmic raft
gloomy sphinx
the worst thing that has happened to notch since his 2 billion $
cosmic raft
no idea
cosmic raft
you should have it now
static badge
oh no
cosmic raft
:>
I also threw in some Optional usage for you too @static badge
project.afterEvaluate(Publications.addToMavenPublications(() -> Optional.ofNullable(project.getExtensions().findByType(SourcesJarExtension.class)).map(SourcesJarExtension::getPublications).orElse(Collections.emptySet()), jar));
cosmic raft
lol
orchid pelican
@rose pier
May 24 18:13:31 WhipServer systemd[1]: Starting start and stop the minecraft-server...
May 24 18:13:31 WhipServer systemd[1]: Started start and stop the minecraft-server.
This is all its ays about the service so i asume it starts and then stops because of an error
How do i view that error?
ancient bolt
My feet hurt so bad
rose pier
Heh, that doesn't seem very helpful.
ancient bolt
I need to buy better shoes
rose pier
Maybe try to run the command manually that you're trying to run through the service.
orchid pelican
root@WhipServer:~# systemctl status minecraft-server.service
● minecraft-server.service - start and stop the minecraft-server
Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/minecraft-server.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabl
Active: inactive (dead) since Fri 2019-05-24 18:13:53 MDT; 42s ago
Process: 1433 ExecStart=/usr/bin/screen -h 2048 -dmS minecraft /usr/bin/java -Xms7G -Xmx7G -
Main PID: 1434 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
heres the output to that command
is that screen command right? I cant find it under screen -ls
root@WhipServer:~# screen -ls
No Sockets found in /run/screen/S-root.
/usr/bin/java -Xms7G -Xmx7G - that doesn't seem to be running anything
orchid pelican
it cuts off i th8nk
lemme check the sercie file
maybe theres a hidden return char in there.
root@WhipServer:~# /usr/bin/java --version
Unrecognized option: --version
Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
There is something wrong with my java install
nvm -version not --version
executing the exec command manualy works and creates a screen
Here is my service file is something wrong with it?
rose pier
I'm not very familiar with systemd, so I don't know, sorry.
I suggest you find others who are setting up the same thing. A systemd service with screen running a minecraft server.
Here's one:
He doesn't seem to have the type set to forking. Maybe try removing that.
The problem might be that you're starting a screen which is immediately backgrounded, so the service thinks it finished executing and shuts down. Not sure what the solution is, but that might be the problem.
orchid pelican
setting type to forking shoudl solve that but ill remove it and see what happens
rose pier
I'd think so too.
orchid pelican
So it is running and when i do su --shell /bin/bash minecraft into the user and try and open the screen it wont let me
but i cant ssh into the user minecraft because i guess it doesnt have a pasword and is a --system?
atomic marten
There are other projects for this too
orchid pelican
?
vestal meadow
you're using screen as user root to try to connect to a session running under user minecraft
peak dirge
@acoustic pilot Hmm... I might need to increase my nursery size https://gyazo.com/a89c9c0ab9cda785a66b45a8d20b92c3 (this is our Velocity proxy)
dense cove
People Pls Play On My New Survival World 1st Person 2 Join Gets 128 Diamonds ( 2 Stacks ) IP: playyo.aternos.me
Plz
carmine hinge
actually I think it's probably something weird with Windows
dense cove
@carmine hinge Pls Play On My New Survival World 1st Person 2 Join Gets 128 Diamonds ( 2 Stacks ) IP: playyo.aternos.me
Plz
2nd Person Gets 64 Diamonds
carmine hinge
@dense cove hmm
do you have spaceships?
@static badge might be interested in playing
I think that more or less meets his standards
carmine hinge
On my server they can move many times every second without any lag
you've gotta beat that
dense cove
well
carmine hinge
in order to get me to come
dense cove
want it in the end???
carmine hinge
dude everyone here is a server owner or developer or both
dense cove
we have spaceships
steel hedge
trying to work out vanilla mining rates, if you have a moment and fill out the form I'd love it: https://forms.gle/LC3M7aTkpfZk9QqP7
Spreadsheet is here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARacGox0jXxmDL3o-o1cDr7nIZ8Qld2QCDkkTlj4tig/edit?usp=sharing
void void
lol why though
steel hedge
I'm trying to work out how many blocks of ore are typically mined by the average player, so if you have a standard survival world it would help
Economy balancing.
I'm balancing based on player time investment
void void
stiff yarrow
woah just went on reddit
saw an ad for woz pushing a online learning platform for programming
steve wozniak I mean
frank gate
void void
that's....an interesting name
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cosmic raft
marble summit
Y e s
finite herald
orchid pelican
@vestal meadow so how do i make a screen that root can acces or how do i acces the other usesrs screen?
unreal quarry
you have to enable multiuser mode in screen, BUT in order for it to work the screen binary needs the SUID bit flipped on
its not very secure
unreal quarry
i just told you how to do it. its up to you if that security risk is a non-issue or not ^_^
just flip the SUID bit with chmod, start a new screen as whatever user, enable multiuser mode, then any other user can attach to that screen too
old badge
are the various 1.14 issues mojang/microsoft's fault?
unreal quarry
mojang's fault, ian. microsoft doesnt touch java edition
old badge
thanks, haven't kept up with minecraft stuff for years now
orchid pelican
at that point i could just start it as root
and save the trouble
thats what imma do
cosmic raft
not true. you shouldn't use root for normal tasks/operation, only administrative tasks. and even then, sudo should be enough for 99% of cases
unreal quarry
^ thats what i mean
cosmic raft
and even then, only by sudoing into root, not logging in via password (you're bad if you have password authentication enabled at all) or ssh key
unreal quarry
i removed myself from sudoers when everything is setup
cosmic raft
it's also nice and clear when I'm root locally
@unreal quarry https://streamable.com/woicu
changes from green $ to a red # on the left
unreal quarry
i kept my root profile ugly for the same reason
i would show on my desktop, but i dont have sudo on it 😛
still got it on this server cause its still getting setup
orchid pelican
Im to lazy to figure this server shit out rn
peak dirge
Props to Cupertino for Doing The Right Thing https://gyazo.com/51c14bff6d9fde7681e5387f97e4c4d5
orchid pelican
ill start the server from my local account
placid folio
unreal quarry
lol
old badge
lol
orchid pelican
now how do i detactch from a screen?
limber knotBOT
ctrl-a d
static badge
control a dick?
limber knotBOT
No, that's the :dumlef command
orchid pelican
thanks
vestal meadow
who need to access the actual console anyway? let it run natively and use an rcon client like mcrcon instead
unreal quarry
you mean as a service?
vestal meadow
yeah, run it as a service instead of attaching it to something like screen or tmux
unreal quarry
then you lose out on minecrell's fancy terminal upgrades
vestal meadow
no idea what that is
unreal quarry
jline stuffs
old badge
I was just taking a look at tmux
it does seem better than screen but has a steeper learning curve
unreal quarry
tmux is real nice
vestal meadow
eh, i'm just used to my boring cattle herding ways
vestal meadow
nothin wrong with that
unreal quarry
no one plays pre's, @stiff yarrow. thats why theres so many bugs when full release comes out
😛
looking over the 4 pre's on the wiki i dont see any mention of fixing chunks
stiff yarrow
yikes
unreal quarry
pre4 is a joke, too. only 1 bug fixed :S
stiff yarrow
what kind of serious spaghetti mess has led to this chunk gen performance
cosmic raft
do I sense a volunteer?
https://tenor.com/view/hunger-games-katniss-everdeen-jennifer-lawrence-volunteer-tribute-gif-3697652
cosmic raft
:D
void void
YOU FUCKING CAMPING SNIPER
stiff yarrow
I hope Mojang isn't hoping this is our new normal
unreal quarry
chunks loading is fine. we cant have those pesky entities clipping through blocks when going through an end gatway, though. thats crossing the line there
void void
THAT'S IT, YOU'VE CROSSED THE LINE. I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO LAG ABOUT
undoes belt
cosmic raft
the point is that they're fixing some bugs instead of doing nothing that the public can see
chunks aren't a simple thing to fix, as you can tell from paper's side
static badge
I mean we did fix it last update
stiff yarrow
inb4 invasive NMS alterations to fix this because Mojang won't
static badge
and it's not like I'm not working to resolve that either :>
although u do have a point about the time required to resolve it
but there's also a point to be made that they've caused a regression again
like moving all IO to main is a fucking oofers
you'd expect that trash from someone's first plugin
chunk io *
cosmic raft
Mojang isn't perfect, nor is Paper. They have made and will make mistakes, as have we.
stiff yarrow
idk if I was lead at Mojang I'd def hire some overqualified guys to work on the spaghetti
cosmic raft
but there's also a point to be made that they've caused a regression again, you'd expect that trash from someone's first plugin
was in response to that
static badge
yeah ik
void void
you guys are wild
stiff yarrow
Mojang can literally throw money at most of their problems
hire some people with the correct qualifications 
void void
shut the fuk up and pass the bowl already
static badge
just saying you really can't absolve them of responsibility for it :>
they fucked up big time so can't be too surprised if people complain hard
stiff yarrow
my theory
no one at Mojang wants to work on it
no one at Mojang wants to hire people who would be willing to work on it
static badge
believe they've hired people
safe tide
Does confiurationsection.set(key,obj) infer the object type?
stiff yarrow
performance from 1.12 -> 1.13 -> 1.14 is red flag level shit
void void
0 yet am about 2
golden gust
Probs all of them
cosmic raft
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cosmic raft
it's super catchy
golden gust
respect--
cosmic raft
the beat
cosmic raft
listen before you judge
golden gust
Never!
void void
nah i mean their beats are ok but their songs lmfao please
its a teenage wet dream in those lyrics
cosmic raft
🗡
cosmic raft
told you
static badge
tbh no
void void
best pop song na https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kpWkV7IBUw
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cosmic raft
you don't get an opinion leaf
unreal quarry
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golden gust
oh god no
void void
@ who
golden gust
It's 2019, can't have that!
cosmic raft
😂
golden gust
That's assault bruddah
static badge
do I need to bring up irc
void void
yes
static badge
<DiscordBot> <simple> yeh ||jizz on him instead||
static badge
I'm simply proving that it wasn't harassment
void void
It's still harassment
static badge
but an observation
void void
static badge
wtf is that
void void
Stallone Faced Spongebob
static badge
.g Stallone Faced Spongebob
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golden gust
stil bttr dan smpl
void void
vivid pilot
austere ivy
Is making a mod with Forge much harder than plugins for Spigot?
stiff yarrow
hard is subjective
gilded basin
Yo what permissions plugin do u guys use that isnt ass
static badge
luckperms
limber knotBOT
LP is pretty much the only maintained perm plugin that's free and worth it
gilded basin
That sucks ass
I remember the good old days before DMCA and there were like 10000+ plugins
cosmic raft
why do you even care about the size of the JAR?
gilded basin
Why does a permissions plugin need to be so big
void void
libs
gilded basin
Comparitvely it is
solemn leaf
Hey, this might be a stupid question, but can a plugin interact with mojang's datapack system to play a server wide sound effect when a command is used?
gilded basin
Simple plugins should never be larger than 1M
golden gust
There is a method in bukkit to play misc sounds
void void
if the datapack overrides a current sound & all players are using the pack
golden gust
LP isn't really simple in terms of all that it offers
gilded basin
really 500kb
peak dirge
I am going to post some information about OpenJ9 and Minecraft soon.
gilded basin
Which is dumb like it doesnt need to be
golden gust
I was actually on the verge of installing that on my box and seeing how it takes off compared to hotspot
peak dirge
It's great! We've been using it in production for a while. I've got some tuning recommendations I need to write up.
gilded basin
I read the wiki I was hoping some one had success elsewhere
solemn leaf
the last time i heard about bukkit having any audio features at all was that it could supposedly play a midi file to all logged in clients on command, but when i tried it, i could never get it to work.
void void
"doesn't need to be" - not everyone runs the same type of server
cosmic raft
LuckPerms is the only sane permissions plugin around.
gilded basin
Exactly but most servers can live with a small permissions plugin
void void
So what, you want LuckPerms Lite LMAO
solemn leaf
my server would be lost without luckperms and its web editor.
gilded basin
Like to see overhead wasted on something that provides 20 different ways to edit permissions is crazy
cosmic raft
...
gilded basin
Yeahhhhh Doggg LuckyPerms Lite premium
peak dirge
LuckPerms doesn't have a ton of overhead.
peak dirge
I know. Still?
cosmic raft
Sounds like they're running off a floppy disk now.
gilded basin
If it is 2.3MB in binary it means that once it starts running god knows what kind of memory it is going to use
void void
Yeah I agree
static badge
standard java is to use a shit ton of libraries :>
peak dirge
You're not complaining about the 40+MB size of the Paper JAR.
void void
Jar size and memory usage do not correlate
gilded basin
yeah but java doesnt load them all
void void
At all
gilded basin
LuckyPerms needs all 2.3M of its huge ass size
void void
Someone doesn't know how Java works
peak dirge
Mojang brings in a 18MB library that does nothing but provide primitive collections.
void void
"Oh the overhead!"
gilded basin
Not on the server
solemn leaf
all this talk of 2.3mb being huge is making me nostalgic for the dos days when 2.3mb was considered gargantuan. i feel old now.
gilded basin
the server is 44.2MB
Ok lets put it this way
Is lucky perms adding 5% of value to a server
peak dirge
LuckPerms is part of what gives your server value.
gilded basin
If a server can fit in 44mb
cosmic raft
LuckPerms, not LuckyPerms
gilded basin
A decent perms plug can fit in less
void void
I'd say LP provides over 5% of value.
cosmic raft
at least get the name right
void void
This is ridiculous. Are you even a programmer?
void void
Do you understand the amount of work that goes into these things?
peak dirge
People bitched at me when they saw that BuycraftX was ~2MB in size. Like, this plugin literally lets you make money from your server and you want to bitch to me about the size?
gilded basin
I write system controllers
static badge
are we really fighting over this
gilded basin
yes cuz you are all wrong
void void
Writing embedded logic is a helluva lot different than writing for the JVM lmao
peak dirge
And for the record, BuycraftX took me 4 months or so to even get an initial version I was happy to not call a beta.
solemn leaf
throws a grenade
static badge
if you write embedded and know ur shit you should have the braincells to figure this stuff out
peak dirge
I'm an old Minecraft fart. Deal with it.
static badge
that or ur baiting pretty hard
gilded basin
I know and I know how the JVM works and I used to write plugins for bukkit pre DMCA
void void
Yeah you've said that before
cosmic raft
The DMCA takedown request has nothing to do with this, there is no point in you bringing it up yet again.
void void
If you're so insistent that you can write something better and in a smaller package, please: be my guest.
gilded basin
Let me put it this way. LuckyPerms is fine that it is 2.3MB but the fact it is the only good perms plugin to use is dumb. Because most people are not hosting, a server that uses bungee, where they need to update perms via a web interface with expiring permissions
gilded basin
@cosmic raft its just a point in time
cosmic raft
...so don't use an interface? you're free to edit a plain old file if you want
void void
And the interface isn't a substantial contributor to the jar size. He hosts that entire thing elsewhere.
gilded basin
Ok how did PermissionsEx, PermissionsBukkit, GroupManager all seem to manage being under 300kb
it is because permissions plugins dont need a crazy amount of features
golden gust
Because they're all light as shit and don't offer all that LP does or care about stuff like cross-platform support
gilded basin
Exactlyyyyy
Just because you can give a plugin a web interface does not need you need to bake it into everyones build
golden gust
I mean, what's the alt, if you want the web UI you have to install X component alongside LP?
golden gust
And then people would be bitching they have to install multiple jars
cosmic raft
....sigh
golden gust
#CantWin
void void
Lmao
static badge
mfw
gilded basin
I am just saying how did all 1.8 servers survive without plugins like LuckyPerms
and they were all significantly smaller
solemn leaf
with great difficulty as i can attest
gilded basin
I dont think servers have changed at a fundamental level
cosmic raft
nobody fucking cares about the size of the jar
gilded basin
And u cant argue bungee cuz bungee was alive in 1.8
static badge
everything else is fucking dead
peak dirge
Ah yes, the "things were better in 1.8" gambit.
void void
Can I remind everybody that the jar size is 2.3MB
peak dirge
For the record, Minecraft 1.8 was released in September 2014, the first commit to LuckPerms was in May 2016.
gilded basin
I just think it is crazy so many servers run and we are relegated to one overly complicated permissions plugin
void void
That's what we're going on about
solemn leaf
PermissionsEx was the one that was in use in 1.8, and frankly, it was as finicky as those that came before it, and would self destruct at the slightest hint of an external editor used on its configs. I had to do every operation by ingame commands.
void void
2.3 MB
gilded basin
You mean YAML? Tabs bro dont mess up ur tabs
solemn leaf
Oh i'm well versed in editing yaml configs mate
old badge
yaml is a disgrace
peak dirge
So, simply put, 1.8 servers "lived without LuckPerms" because LuckPerms didn't exist when 1.8 was released.
void void
gilded basin
I just feel this has too many features and a kid trying to start his own server would be like
WTF
solemn leaf
it didnt matter what you did though, if pex saw a change in its configs OR its permissions and groups files, that it did not make via ingame command, it always exploded on me.
peak dirge
@gilded basin Since you have made Bukkit plugins before, and you're disgusted by the wealth of features that LuckPerms has, there is a very simple choice: Stop complaining and make your own permission plugin!
void void
Like I said
gilded basin
hey I just said I didnt like lucky perms and wanted to know if someone used somethign else
peak dirge
Prove to everyone else that you can make a plugin that weights under 500K and is objectively more awesome than LuckPerms.
gilded basin
Nobody had to give their own opinions on jar size
void void
Yes we did
cosmic raft
your first fucking point was the JAR size
gilded basin
Yeah. But I asked about different plugins not jar size
peak dirge
Most Bukkit permission plugins have been abandoned.
LuckPerms is one of your few choices.
gilded basin
I know its so sad because they are fundamentally simple problems
unreal quarry
@gilded basin everyone kind of gave up making permission plugins a while ago. LuckPerms came out and it does everything right, theres legit no competition
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gilded basin
I think LuckiePerms is fine for all its features 2.3MB is understandable. Just wanted something bare bones for my personal server
@unreal quarry I dont blame them it isnt really something fun to maintain
peak dirge
Well, if you want something bare bones you can make your own permission plugin.
old badge
or use permissions.yml 
gilded basin
@old badge I am going to be honest I have no clue how permissions.yml works some people online say it is just a empty file that CAN be used by other plugins but isnt always used
unreal quarry
its design to group permissions together for a permissions plugin to use.
it doesnt actually give permissions
gilded basin
Yeah thats what I thought (or something similar)
unreal quarry
@golden gust knows some ways to abuse it, though. 😛
golden gust
It lets you define permissions and stuff
gilded basin
I will probably just use LuckiePermissions
golden gust
You can basically add placeholder perms to control it, but you're limited to op;d/deop'd/true
solemn leaf
did he kick you?
cosmic raft
gilded basin
@solemn leaf xD yeah
unreal quarry
kashike is annoyed at your lack of respect for the name LuckPerms ^_^
gilded basin
omg kashike u write paper mc and ur cool with dependency bloating
Im sorry I only refer to it as LPL now for LuckyPerms Lite
cosmic raft
gilded basin
gilded basin
I am going to write my own permission plugin
called LuckiePerms
just to take a piss
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do it no balls 
gilded basin
I bet I could even do it in a night
cosmic raft
alright, so you're one of those people
golden gust
[06:48:29 INFO]: Current TPS = 1.36 YEA
[06:48:49 INFO]: TPS from last 1m, 5m, 15m: 1.49, 3.32, 7.48
static badge
did you fix the tps command?
unreal quarry
where your tps catchup now?
static badge
or did you break it again 
unreal quarry
runs away
cosmic raft
.s/TPS/server load/
unreal quarry
runs far far away
golden gust
worldborder is making me sad right now
static badge
are you grinding to a halt with worldborder?
fair sinew
golden gust
Version on my local server is newer, guess it's another thing to add to the list of crap to do to get this all up and running \o/
unreal quarry
on jenkins does ${BUILD_NUMBER} work in the archive artifacts thing?
golden gust
I wanna say yes
unreal quarry
google isnt helping me
golden gust
But like, no warranty
unreal quarry
fuck it. gonna try it. whats 1 no changes gonna hurt.... looks at Z
void void
lmfao what im about to do is disgusting
opal garnet
cosmic raft
ban evasion is not permitted
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shell vine
void void
void void
austere ivy
so uh
Forge vs Spigot?
Which is easier?
Are they somewhat alike?
In terms of coding mods/plugins for them.
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
is there any reason to continue using aikars flags on java12?
peak dirge
You should keep using them unless you're a GC expert.
limber knotBOT
java is kind of a GC expert
peak dirge
I mean, feel free to experiment with the new GC choices if you wish, but most people should stick with Aikar's flags since they're battle-tested
I haven't actually tried ZGC. Speculation.
austere ivy
Me neither, haha.
misty fern
austere ivy
I wish there was a way to "lazy ping" someone.
I want to show electroniccat something but I don't want to notify them.
Like they'd see it as a mention but not get a notification or take them away from work.
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what are aikar flags?
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hey electroniccat
peak dirge
austere ivy
.flags works too.
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
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website is down
austere ivy
Working for me.
peak dirge
These startup flags improve your server performance by telling Java about Minecraft's object allocation requirements, basically.
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also seems down for me
peak dirge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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I guess it's something with my ISP, as I can't access Timings website either
void void
Hi
ancient bolt
by telling Java about Minecraft's object allocation requirements
Oof that hurts to read
peak dirge
Yeah, it does hurt to read. But it's probably one of the few least-technical ways to explain it.
worn ember
@golden gust picky arent we 😉
peak dirge
I've got to clean up my Hugo site and actually, you know, put it out there.
somber silo
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what are the chances that microsoft guts the Java version in the upcoming years and only maintain the Bedrock version?
bitter geyser
heady spear
until it doesn't
I don't think they're going to keep the sales up for too long, and then their only source of income for the Java version will be realms 😆
wise nymph
quasi valley
are there actuallya lot of people playing realms?
wide chasm
I hope not, it feels like a pretty big waste of money currently
void void
fallow plank
So I'm a big dumb and I can't figure out how to find the latest version of Bungeecord for 1.13.2. Any suggestions?
peak dirge
@fallow plank You must mean Waterfall? Just download the latest version, 1.13.2 is supported by the latest Waterfall.
cosmic raft
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wat
unreal quarry
It's lavender, leaf
quasi valley
you just gotta sorta picture it
unreal quarry
hmm... using WorldBorder 1.9.10 i am keeping decent TPS at 5 chunks/sec fill
ornate spindle
@peak dirge where would I find that blog post when it does get posted?
low sable
void void
@cosmic raft is Lavender Man
dull shale
tardy lynx
but does OpenJ9 work on raspberry pi?
dull bramble
void void
void void
Is there already created jobs/quests i could download and put them to server?
acoustic pilot
OpenJ9 supports AArch64 but you need to manually build, I think. So technically compatible with Pi 3?
Looks like some progress is being made tho to get official builds, but atm it doesn't seem to get much attention.
sturdy fulcrum
Good morning
worn ember
👋
void void
sturdy fulcrum
Welcome
void void
Hello
tardy lynx
First person to join from server list, says I should rent a server, threatens to ddos, tries to kill me, posts link to his server, then leaves
quick pasture
finite wave
The usual
quasi valley
seems reasonable
tardy lynx
I forgot why I quit minecraft
quasi valley
what a monster
finite wave
Coreprotect looks awful decompiled
acoustic pilot
Does a good job, just not a pretty plugin to look at lol
tardy lynx
Let's hope the next person is nice
acoustic pilot
Which is fine, plenty of plugins that are just shit all around (looking at you, ASkyBlock)
tardy lynx
If someone is a twat I'll just block their IP with iptables
finite wave
Yeah, that’s the sad part
smoky tinsel
I just started learning java today and I'm already confused... would a boolean expression count as polymorphism because the same thing is being looked for but there are two different outcomes?
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well coreprotect is being refactored currently
sturdy fulcrum
Damn
finite wave
@smoky tinsel not usually
sturdy fulcrum
Don’t be a hater
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progress looks ok on it so far last I checked
tardy lynx
Yay, someone who isn't a complete *hole
sturdy fulcrum
Core protect has been a good plugin for like.... years
tardy lynx
Now I remember why I was a server owner
acoustic pilot
Nobody said otherwise lol
sturdy fulcrum
Who cares what it looks like on the inside
finite wave
Yeah, just looks bad didn’t say it was bad
static badge
its code is uh not good :>
acoustic pilot
In fact I specifically said, does a good job
Stop trying to create drama out of nothing.
tardy lynx
Do you guys wanna see some of my code from like 4 years ago?
smoky tinsel
wait but coreprotect works for me in 1.14.1
finite wave
Nty
smoky tinsel
or am i crazy
finite wave
We never said it did not work!
quick pasture
Its just a shame CP is not open source
tardy lynx
It's not?
finite wave
It is on it’s way to become open source
static badge
it will be
smoky tinsel
Oh sorry I don't know the context I just assumed u said it's broken
sturdy fulcrum
I’m not
acoustic pilot
Which does it no justice since it's awful decompiled lol
quasi valley
Didn't they say about doing that?
quasi valley
ah
daring sable
acoustic pilot
they abstracting it this time around for sponge support?
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I don't think that's in our plans currently
tardy lynx
aw sad he left
sturdy fulcrum
Who cares about sponge
patent dock
finite wave
@patent dock go away
patent dock
😮
tardy lynx
How does make player stay when only me on?
quasi valley
kill the server so he won't have left it
tardy lynx
How would one get a new player to stay when I'm the only other player online?
quick pasture
Set up a quality server
finite wave
Short answer, you really don’t
acoustic pilot
It's easier to start out with a partner who can fill the void, that's how I think I even managed to retain players
I can't imagine trying to grow a server alone from scratch any more 😦
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starting from 0
finite wave
2b2t
tardy lynx
I've done it twice before just don't remember how
finite wave
You don’t*
unreal quarry
easiest way to grow a server. play on it and be active.
acoustic pilot
Retention is always gonna be about how fun your server is, but without a community, it's not fun at all, so you have to be there and be very active
Until you have enough players to keep it going
unreal quarry
i grew last one to 38 players. then i started spending more time in code than in game and one by one they dropped out
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ripperoni in pepperoni
smoky tinsel
in a survival server tho wouldn't people just run out of things to do and leave
acoustic pilot
That really depends, "survival" is a very broad game mode.
finite wave
Ask Aikar
smoky tinsel
I mean like vanilla-type survival but with plugins to make life easier such as essentials
but just like basic survival
tardy lynx
I think I placed like loot chests around and got the first player to search for them
acoustic pilot
The seemingly most prevalent thing about a "survival" game mode is that most servers use Grief Prevention, aside from that it seems to widely vary.
finite wave
Aikar has Empirecraft
tardy lynx
Yes, with my survival servers people did run out of things to do
finite wave
acoustic pilot
Sure, a basic survival server probably would get boring
finite wave
Just ripoff that one
acoustic pilot
but I don't see very many successful basic survival servers
2b2t maybe? lol
those guys have basic survival right?
finite wave
Well that’s an anarchy
quasi valley
because why would they, when you can do just that on a small server with your friends
acoustic pilot
yeah, but still qualifies i think
tardy lynx
Someone's trynna join but it just says this com.mojang.authlib.GameProfile@12a4bbc[id=<null>,name=smegmon,properties={},legacy=false] (/74.75.141.240:51144) lost connection: Disconnected
acoustic pilot
survival without rules, yeah 😛
finite wave
Tbf the best way to combat hacks is just to allow thwm
quick pasture
I think your players wont like you for putting their ip up lol
tardy lynx
:P
finite wave
We aren’t really that cruel here
void void
smoky tinsel
haha I run a survival server with just some friends from school but even so I just don't know how to add things that'll make it more interesting
It's just a survival server
unreal quarry
@tardy lynx i see that when offline mode players try to join, or if someone's session went invalid
smoky tinsel
Not sure how long it'll last tbh
finite wave
Except if Brian says something, where is he btw Billy?
tardy lynx
Yeah that's what I was thinking
limber knotBOT
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finite wave
.g head first java pdf site:github.com
limber knotBOT
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acoustic pilot
The only Java book I would really recommend as necessary reading is Effective Java
finite wave
Well, head first is good for newbies
quasi valley
You don't have to consult us on every single action you do with your server btw 👀
finite wave
Explains in lego terms
tardy lynx
I'm srry
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only java book I recommend is printing up the jls
smoky tinsel
hahaha this book I'm reading rn is 1000 pages long and I just don't know how I'll both retain all the information and put it into practice
it's pretty daunting
probably not worth reading the whole thing
idk
finite wave
Read Head First Java & Effective Java
sturdy fulcrum
I don’t know how to read
smoky tinsel
Aight I'll check em out... do you guys remember all the code you use or do you need to constantly reference it from online
I just feel it'd be possible just have it all in your head
ready to go
acoustic pilot
Different people have different memory skills, personally I have poor retention lol
finite wave
Most developers google a lot
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poor braincell retention too
smoky tinsel
impossible* not possible lol
finite wave
No shame in that
smoky tinsel
hahaha same... I mean if I remind myself of something a couple of times then it eventually sticks
acoustic pilot
More brain cells than dum leaf
sturdy fulcrum
Google is your best friend
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u have 0
acoustic pilot
Before StackOverflow, I got all of my help from Freenode and Google
nowadays you got programming discords, though
With thousands of people
A lot easier to self teach than say, 20 years ago
smoky tinsel
yeah that's true but it's not good to leach off others is it?
void void
minecraft world generation is bull
Is there already created jobs/quests i could download and put them to server?
acoustic pilot
Asking for help after you've exhausted all attempts to answer the question yourself is not shameful
smoky tinsel
I feel like maybe I should have a strong grasp on the fundamentals of java and such forth but then if I need something really specific maybe it's good to ask others
void void
Is there already created jobs/quests i could download and put them to server?
acoustic pilot
but yes I would recommend trying to be resourceful on your own without relying on others too much
sturdy fulcrum
I wouldn’t recommend asking questions that have already been answered somewhere
void void
jobs reborn time between pay timer can be reset
resulting in geting money alot faster than intended
sturdy fulcrum
Most people who know the answer will criticize you for asking a question they know the answer to
acoustic pilot
It's a good read. The author was a core language designer IIRC
smoky tinsel
lol yeah clip I agree I'd probably do the same if I were in that position
actually maybe not
I feel answering questions reconsolidates your knowledge
void void
i sugest using coins plugin (2nd google result), because doing jobs usualy result in various dupes...
well kiling mobs to earn money is some kind of job right?
stiff yarrow
effective java is a very good book, almost every chapter is full of tons of information which you can do further reading on
acoustic pilot
just be sure to get a fairly recent edition 😛
i think it's always being updated as the language updates
stiff yarrow
a lot of whats in that book is design related and can be applied to other langs
smoky tinsel
It says at the beginning that he assumes that I'm fluent in java rip
Oh well should be okay I hope
stiff yarrow
you should probably know the fundamentals before reading
smoky tinsel
C++ and java are really similar aren't they so I'm guessing if I learn java I'll be able to pretty easily learn C++
acoustic pilot
Didn't someone recommend you another book for beginners?
acoustic pilot
alternatively could just dive in, actually head first, with like a bukkit plugin
stiff yarrow
C++ and Java are only similar in syntax
acoustic pilot
there are tutorials for basic bukkit plugins
that's how I started
so if you have a background in another language, it's feasible
combiend with effective java to smooth up the rough edges over time
stiff yarrow
if you tackle C++ you'll want to go with reading books as its a very unforgiving language and most information online is misleading or inaccurate
finite wave
C++ similar to java 🤔
smoky tinsel
idk that's what I read in the other book I was reading
finite wave
Don’t read that
stiff yarrow
syntax wise they are similar as Java aimed to be C++ like
but C++ is a very different beast
tardy lynx
32% cpu with 4 players on the raspberry pi
finite wave
C++ has so much stupid sugar
acoustic pilot
C# and Java have a lot more in common yeah
stiff yarrow
Yeah C# is quite similar
acoustic pilot
If you have a background in C#, you'll do fine with Java
finite wave
Yeah, although you might miss some of the lots syntactic sugar
stiff yarrow
smoky tinsel
haha the only language I've kind of learnt is python and basic C++
smoky tinsel
I got the third edition of effective java btw I'm not sure if it's the latest version
but hopefully it's fine
~2017/2018
acoustic pilot
Should be fine then if it's that recent
tardy lynx
60% cpu with 5 players on the raspberry pi
tardy lynx
I was expecting like 15TPS with 4 players
void void
Hello, anyone knows where I can get a copy of Ave Imperator FLA 7.0 ?
The buy page of the website is broken
smoky tinsel
It says in the book that every program written in java requires a main() method but when I was creating my first simple plugin it didn't have it?
little confused there
tardy lynx
Plugins aren't programs
void void
^
void void
The entry point of a plugin is the onEnable function
tardy lynx
A program can run on it's own, a plugin is an extention to an exsting program
smoky tinsel
rightt so the server.jar would be a program right
void void
yes
finite wave
Sometimes sure
smoky tinsel
lol
unreal quarry
speaking of main... RIP bukkit's. guess that installation script from dinnerbone is a no-go now 😛
void void
Should i limit my cpu % in pterodactyl?
austere ivy
Unless you’re using it for something else, not really a reason to.
unreal quarry
@void void the cpu is the bottleneck, why would you tighten it down even more with a fake limit?
molten fable
Last time i asked for help to find the latest file of 1.14 becous your links are so gusseble... so sorry I am used tu buildtools/git... how do I wget the laest file? becouse this i dl the hompage or something... https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.14.1/42/download
austere ivy
“Uhh guys when I do intensive stuff the fans spin, should I take out the fans???”
No you shouldn’t lol.
molten fable
Some thing you make out of ice!
austere ivy
If I told YOU to run a marathon, you’d be like ok I’ll run fast. Then I said “you can only run 5mph”
That’d be kinda silly.
You can still do more. You’re just being artificially restricted.
So when your server really needs some power, it can’t get it because of a restriction.
CPU is being used for a reason. The server isn’t just going “hurr durr run at 80% lol”
You’re going to have worse server performance if you limit it.
void void
yea but if i want to run multiple server on my dedicated machine won't i need to limit them?
tardy lynx
If you have more important stuff running on the same PC then there may be a reason
void void
Or can both servers run on all cores / threads
austere ivy
Then you want to limit them.
austere ivy
If you have 2 servers, both equal size in terms of how much power they need, give each 50%
What’s your cpu?
tardy lynx
I had 4c/8t for 1 server
austere ivy
How much ram?
unreal quarry
this is my server
void void
Xeon E-2136 6c 12t and 64GB DDR4 ECC 2666mhz Ram
unreal quarry
a single server
void void
2x 512gb nvme's
unreal quarry
and it still struggles 😉
austere ivy
You were saying before you had 60% cpu for 5 players so ???
tardy lynx
This is my server
void void
Why would you use an i7 for server? Xeons are made for running servers i7's made for running games
tardy lynx
Minecraft is single threaded mostly, i7 has higher single thread speed
unreal quarry
the i7 outperforms xeons big time when it comes to minecraft server
void void
So its like Arma then it perfers the i7 beefy GHZ
unreal quarry
its minecraft. most things are on a single thread. it wants more GHZ
austere ivy
Well I got 2.66 of them
unreal quarry
thats why i'm wondering why you want to limit your cpu...
minecraft can never have enough
void void
yea java programs love to eat ram
unreal quarry
wat
austere ivy
wat
merry talon
depends on the xeon