or well, more like mapping changes ¯_(ツ)_/¯
#general
limber knotBOT
austere ivy
There are some basic things that need NMS access, like fake lightning.
safe tide
phonesix I know right md is awesome
austere ivy
Or are those packets?
golden gust
e.g. for smaller projects accessing stuff which doesn't change, or can be predictabliy access, it's pretty easy to justify just using reflection vs using per-version modules
limber knotBOT
I mean anybody could just fix it, it's open source so...
austere ivy
Hmm, either way I just wish that instead of all this re-nms mapping, Mojang would finally put out the modding API they've promised for such a long time.
limber knotBOT
but apparently people aren't bothered enough to actually do it
safe tide
no he wouldnt accept it
limber knotBOT
you never know until you try
worn ember
you'd spend hours on a fix and md would just deny it saying its not relevant for spigot's purpose lul
safe tide
@golden gust would it have been possible to use reflection with staff+ so I didnt have 16 poms
golden gust
isn't fake lighting a mess given that the server would just update it?
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messing with lighting 
limber knotBOT
well it only updates in some cases and not others but yeah, generally it's annoying
austere ivy
needed either nms or packets and I was like "nop it's ok real lightning we shall use"
limber knotBOT
uh, you can send fake lightning with the bukkit api...
safe tide
spawn entity
worn ember
Mess with lighting and i'll mess with you 🏆
wide chasm
safe tide
or there is that
limber knotBOT
it has been in bukkit for years
austere ivy
Was it? Lemme boot up IntelliJ
safe tide
we should reinvent the bukkit api
woven cosmos
Can someone help me?
austere ivy
I think Bukkit api needs some minor changes
not a full on change, I quite like the way some things are handled
golden gust
And yea, you could probably do what you're doing pretty easily with reflection, you'd just need to deal with all the version changes somehow
austere ivy
but some changes, yes.
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
golden gust
?eta
austere ivy
I haven't touched nms or reflections at all yet and I'm a tad afraid to do so, lol.
safe tide
worst case you break the server
golden gust
oh, ? was forwarded at one point I think
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.eta
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
austere ivy
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
woven cosmos
Well @golden gust i dont have a question, its just that when i start the paper.jar fine nothing happenes, it worked the first 2 times, so i got all the files. but now nothing happenes anymore.
austere ivy
Silly leaf.
wide chasm
Also Brian, that method has been there since May 7, 2011.
golden gust
How are you trying to start the server?
austere ivy
I must just not've looked well enough at all
woven cosmos
Dubble clicking the jar file
wide chasm
austere ivy
there you go lol
golden gust
if you're on windows, you should be using a bat file, otherwise you won't see the console window
austere ivy
I think paper disabled the GUI.
woven cosmos
Ok, what command do i write in the bat?
golden gust
java -jar paperclip.jar
PAUSE
Thanks
austere ivy
.flags
limber knotBOT
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golden gust
(Make sure that the jar is named paperclip, easier to rename the jar each update than to update the bat file)
woven cosmos
I get this when i run in a bat
C:\Users\pumpk\OneDrive\Skrivbord\Paper 1.14.1>java -jar paperclip.jar
Error: Unable to access jarfile paperclip.jar
C:\Users\pumpk\OneDrive\Skrivbord\Paper 1.14.1>PAUSE
Press any key to continue . . .
Was the jar named paperclip.jar? Also, don't run it in onedrive, there are known issues with java and onedrive breaking stuff
woven cosmos
Onedrive? dont even think i have thet downloaded
normal echo
"C:\Users\pumpk\OneDrive"
austere ivy
weird
woven cosmos
Oh
austere ivy
Thanks for the product placement, Microsoft.
I'm on a Mac, so I don't get any product placement at all
/s
normal echo
looks at mac, has onedrive installed, hides
golden gust
I've just been using keybase 
woven cosmos
How can i make the server run with more than just 1gb ram?
void void
👀
golden gust
Especially as it presents as a real mount vs like, being weird
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
golden gust
-Xmx
golden gust
1G for 1G of ram
woven cosmos
Shouldnt you write in mg? aka M
austere ivy
For 2GB of RAM.
woven cosmos
Mb*
austere ivy
Doesn't matter.
golden gust
Both work fine
woven cosmos
Ok
austere ivy
If you want you can:
golden gust
So long as it's a unit it likes, you're good
austere ivy
-Xms2000M -Xmx2000M
golden gust
Wanna specify it in bytes? go for it 😛
woven cosmos
So like this
java -Xms2048 -Xmx2048 -jar paper-23.jar PAUSE
austere ivy
-Xms2000000000B -Xmx2000000000B
There's it for bytes if you'd like.
You have to have the unit at the end.
woven cosmos
Right
austere ivy
So put an M at the end of the two there.
Unless you've got a supercomputer and want to use 2048GB.
We won't judge ¯_(ツ)_/¯
woven cosmos
`I:\Paper 1.14.1>java -Xms2048M -Xmx2048M -jar paper-23.jar
Error occurred during initialization of VM
Could not reserve enough space for 2097152KB object heap
I:\Paper 1.14.1>PAUSE
Press any key to continue . . .`
I get this now
austere ivy
uhh
That means that your computer doesn't have enough RAM.
How much RAM does your computer have..?
woven cosmos
I have 16gb
golden gust
What's the output of java -version
golden gust
(in cmd)
woven cosmos
What?
golden gust
open a command prompt and run that command
woven cosmos
java version "1.8.0_201"
fiery solstice
golden gust
need the full output of that command
woven cosmos
java version "1.8.0_201" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_201-b09) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 25.201-b09, mixed mode, sharing)
golden gust
You have the 32-bit version of java installed, you need the 64-bit version
woven cosmos
Can i have a link?
golden gust
.g java 8 64bit
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golden gust
Oh, actually, might need to go to adaptopenjdk's site, no idea which ones are on lockdown now
woven cosmos
X86 or x64?
brazen adder
how much dedidated wam do i need for girlfrend mod
austere ivy
x86 is for 32 bit.
void void
what do those startup parameters do
woven cosmos
Kinds weird
near comet
austere ivy
It is, but the 32 bit just refers to instruction set I believe.. might be wrong.
Let me get adaptopenjdk for you.
golden gust
Well, they're still working on getting enough disk storage to store the book of how to understand women
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mac
austere ivy
You're not on mac.
near comet
Hi so I am looking to have a sever for about me and 10 other friends and we just want two mods on the sever claims and able to silk touch spawners. Can some one suggest a sever hosting site and how it would do this
austere ivy
If you'd like to get the JRE which is a bit smaller you can go to there and click JRE, it's on the right.
You might want to see about uninstalling the current Java you have..
I'm not entirely sure how you can do it on Windows, but with a bit of Google Fu:
.g uninstall java windows
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golden gust
pebblehost is my shared host of recommendations mainly because I've seen good comments about them and dealing with them to get some issue fixed for somebody was pretty chill, so can't fault them and the hardware seems fine; Beyond that, for plugins, take a look at the silk touch plugin and one of the claim plugins, GP, Towny, Factions, etc... Depends on your wants 🤷
near comet
Okay thanks
golden gust
Oh god, my english is deteriorating, I'm going to be MiniDigger soon 😦
austere ivy
Tsk tsk tsk.
near comet
Is the plug-ins essay to download
austere ivy
Catching leafititis I see.
golden gust
Yup
near comet
Cause I don’t know how to code and do that stuff
golden gust
might need to get a grasp of permissions, but LuckPerms is recommended there and does a good job of explaining them on their wiki and getting you started, their editor is also pretty awesome \o/
austere ivy
Yeah and with the plugins, you just download then and drop them in the "plugins" folder of your server.
woven cosmos
Hey electroniccat do you know how to use PEX?
near comet
Okay cool is there any way to see the plugins without buying the sever first
golden gust
I know how to use it, I just choose not to
limber knotBOT
@Falsely you can just run a server locally on your pc to test stuff
near comet
How do i do that
woven cosmos
Ok well, i already know kinda how to use it. so i dont want to switch, well anyways, do you know why my prefixes dont show?
near comet
My pc is powerful enough to run a sever but it looks confusing
golden gust
Install vault and a proper chat plugin, basically
woven cosmos
Essentials Chat?
limber knotBOT
@near comet you download the server from https://papermc.io/downloads and run it, then you add plugins to the plugins folder
austere ivy
Have I just found a market for a plugin?
golden gust
On windows, it's basically "create a folder, download the paperclip jar and create a bat file"
limber knotBOT
Essentials Chat works just fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
woven cosmos
Im not using luckyperms
woven cosmos
Im using Pex
austere ivy
Well it's written by the person who wrote LuckPerms.
Pex is very, very bad, and you should not use it, and LuckPerms is so easy to switch over, but okay.
Just get Vault and https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/vaultchatformatter.49016/ should work with Pex.
Even though you should 100% not use Pex.
woven cosmos
If you teach me how to use lucky than sure
golden gust
EssXChat should work fine
austere ivy
But then they'd have to install Essentials too.
Unless you guys want Essentials, that is.
limber knotBOT
pex is old, outdated and no longer actively developed
woven cosmos
I have essentials chat and pex and a prefix, but its not showing
austere ivy
Oh.
limber knotBOT
LuckPerms is modern, has more functions and active development
golden gust
and pex is basically no longer supported with known bugs which people can crash servers with
woven cosmos
@wheat quarry are you a bot or a person who is typing through a bot?
austere ivy
Pex is just buggy, no longer developed, outdated, old, and LuckPerms is 100% amazingly better.
woven cosmos
...
golden gust
IRC bridge
austere ivy
It's just IRC.
woven cosmos
Well, idk what IRC is....
limber knotBOT
bridge forwards messages from the better chat protocol over here to discord via a bridge
redundancy, woo
austere ivy
Anyway, HoaXs, we'll try to help you get Pex and EssXChat working together, but seriously, LuckPerms is better in every single way, it even has a super easy to use web editor, and it would work perfectly with EssXChat.
\o/
woven cosmos
Im downloading lucky rn
woven cosmos
Can you join general, i dont like writing
limber knotBOT
!kick TehBrian leave our sacred temple at once
austere ivy
:(
golden gust
😄
strange bane
Does anyone have any ideas what is causing the duplicate entities bug?
limber knotBOT
oh my
austere ivy
You should come join me at #tehbrian.
strange bane
Is it when an entity is on the border of two chunks and it saves them in both?
austere ivy
I'll make you my chief in staff.
golden gust
It's a vanilla issue
woven cosmos
@austere ivy can you join general, i dont like writing
golden gust
And potentially, I know we had a fix for that one, Paper just un-disables the message; need to work on getting the fixes back in
austere ivy
OK, you can talk but I will write.
woven cosmos
Ok
coarse urchin
Twitter
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strange bane
Paper's messages are pure spam right now. 😛
golden gust
already? damn
austere ivy
Your best bet is: if there's something wrong in 1.14.1, it's probably vanilla.
Nah, that's fine Hoax.
Just anything to do with Pex.
As long as you have EssentialsX, EssentialsXChat will work fine.
pulsar wigeon
o boi, 1.14.2 pre already
austere ivy
Yup.
woven cosmos
[18:04:50 ERROR]: Could not load 'plugins\VaultChatFormatter.jar' in folder 'plugins' org.bukkit.plugin.UnknownDependencyException: Vault at org.bukkit.plugin.SimplePluginManager.loadPlugins(SimplePluginManager.java:223) ~[patched_1.14.1.jar:git-Paper-23] at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_14_R1.CraftServer.loadPlugins(CraftServer.java:352) ~[patched_1.14.1.jar:git-Paper-23] at net.minecraft.server.v1_14_R1.DedicatedServer.init(DedicatedServer.java:216) ~[patched_1.14.1.jar:git-Paper-23] at net.minecraft.server.v1_14_R1.MinecraftServer.run(MinecraftServer.java:843) ~[patched_1.14.1.jar:git-Paper-23] at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) [?:1.8.0_212]
austere ivy
Oh, you need Vault.
limber knotBOT
you are missing the plugin "Vault"
austere ivy
But since you're using EssXChat, get rid of VaultChatFormatter.
limber knotBOT
next monday? i don't think so
austere ivy
You're already using EssentialsX, right?
If you are, then use EssXChat.
Get rid of VaultChatFormatter, that's just a standalone EssXChat.
OK, try starting up now.
near comet
@wheat quarry is it really that essay
limber knotBOT
@Falsely sure
limber knotBOT
getting a server to run isn't that difficult
I really don't care about discord, lol
hope mojang makes some more ground on chunk generation
near comet
@wheat quarry but what if I want if I want some one else to host the sever who would you suggest
limber knotBOT
none, I host my stuff on a dedicated server
I was just suggesting testing stuff locally before investing any money
near comet
Okay thanks
cloud sinew
limber knotBOT
My computer is dying of lag so I'm going to use IRC for a second.
It's doubling, being weird, no idea.
wrong chat
Huh.
tropic flame
void void
@tropic flame why did you leave
woven cosmos
What permissions do you guys recon members should have on a server
pulsar wigeon
just stumbled upon this on github
lucid brook
They finally fix the lightning issues. Also nice they fixed the issue with entities disappearing when standing on chunks border and observers inconsistencies.
pulsar wigeon
i mean, acf is reinventing the wheel too phoenix
everyone just likes doing things their own way i guess
austere ivy
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austere ivy
Another reason I don't like Dell.
void void
as multiple
austere ivy
Never buying from dell, ever.
ornate spindle
look at those 1.14.2 optimisations https://i.tcpr.ca/8U75xJj
austere ivy
woa so optimized
red means more optimized, right?
so kinda unoptimized
BOOM optimization
seems like it's auto-optimizing itself every couple seconds
so unoptimizing, OPTIMIZATION, BOOM.
normal echo
Is that on 1.14.2 server?
ornate spindle
so optimised that it is off the charts https://i.tcpr.ca/XJCdNEB
austere ivy
Now they just have to make it all red so it's fully optimized /s
ornate spindle
single player
austere ivy
whoa that's some optimized gameplay
broken iron
ornate spindle
the chart thing was added in 1.14
pulsar wigeon
oic
ornate spindle
alt + F3
austere ivy
I'm so proud of Mojang. Best release yet, I haven't seen that many optimization spikes in a while.
1.12 and below, it was mostly green for me, an Intel Core 2 Duo. Unoptimization alert!
But those big red optimization spikes are sure good work! /s
limber knotBOT
andrewkm, I see u there
pulsar wigeon
i should probably just mute brian tbh
pulsar wigeon
yea i dislike that
limber knotBOT
but if you blocked brian it would leave a hole in your heart wiz
austere ivy
yeah :(
pulsar wigeon
i'd rather just ban him tbh
limber knotBOT
like when ivan left us
pulsar wigeon
but i can't here
austere ivy
:(
pulsar wigeon
brian can you join enginehub discord so i can ban you
would make me feel better, a bit
pulsar wigeon
oh, he's in it already
pulsar wigeon
octy was apparently gonna fix it
i've been working on dfus
vert should work if you're facing a cardinal direction
just not if you're facing diagonal
cuz expand doesn't take diagonals, but it's trying to parse your current direction
pulsar wigeon
because i can?
austere ivy
I need the announcements >_>
pulsar wigeon
y tho
austere ivy
because I use worldedit
unreal quarry
anyone know where to get a cheap simple SSL cert? doesnt need anything fancy, not doing ecommerce or anything
versed tiger
Uhm, letsencrypt?
pulsar wigeon
i mean i need some sanity but you don't give me that either brian
openssl isn't a cert authority
austere ivy
Wiz what do you require me to do to give you sanity.
pulsar wigeon
it's software lul
unreal quarry
openssl sucks @spare venture i'm getting "not trusted" errors in browser lol
versed tiger
Holy shit, getting terrible rubberbanding now.
plucky tiger
cloudflare shared ssl 
stiff yarrow
okay I guess I'll undo your ugly role color then
its now back to brown from dark brown
I hope you learned your lesson 
austere ivy
nossr best nossr, okay I'm going to go eat some food and be productive.
limber knotBOT
nossr when did your love affair with brian begin
stiff yarrow
I clearly have a bias since I'm a ptron sponsor of Brian
limber knotBOT
do you see yourself in him
sand vale
who's idea was it to write "THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH" ?
When the server isn't responding and the only thing it is doing is spewing thread dumps for an hour. Yeah, That's what I call a crash.
stiff yarrow
baiting a mod is a kick 
golden gust
I mean, it's not really a crash, it's a "watchdog came to rek ur stuf"
stiff yarrow
Oh yeah that reminds me
sand vale
your definitions of crash are skewed.
golden gust
My definition of a crash doesn't match "a stacktrace being shown of a thread which is taking longer than expected"
stiff yarrow
@sand vale yeah that is not a crash, that's just some stacktraces being printed
sand vale
then what do you call a state of software that is inable to be used or does any useful task?
for over an hour?
it's fucking stupid.
golden gust
Depends on the nature of the issue
idle lake
sand vale
holy shit, something so stupid even barty don't want to be part of?
pulsar wigeon
some of my data processing software runs for days at a time
sand vale
I was just going to say that I must be wrong
golden gust
I don't 100% agree with that statement, but the notation is is that it's not stopped your server yet
pulsar wigeon
without doing anything except spitting files out to a folder
wouldn't really call that a crash :^)
stiff yarrow
gonna need a bot to delete any message containing the word bait soon
golden gust
Outside of a deadlock, the server is still ticking
It's just, taken muuuuch longer than it should be expected to take
sand vale
and how long should it run before it should stop?
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1 min
stiff yarrow
@sand vale isn't there a watchdog to stop it
golden gust
Watchdog in paper will mark your server to stop
if it doesn't start the shutdown process, it will basically execute the server
stiff yarrow
its probably not hung
sand vale
Why is the software allowing it, barty?
stiff yarrow
its probably just reaaaaaaaaaaaaally inefficient
static badge
Which means your server has some severe perf issues
golden gust
if it did shutdown, it will try to disable cleanly, if something deadlocks in there there ain't much we can do
sand vale
I did.
stiff yarrow
@sand vale it would require a massive amount of overhead to police the process like that
golden gust
We don't wanna rip your server process while it's in the middle of disabling plugins which are writing to the disk
stiff yarrow
here's the thing, you don't want your process to kill itself unecessarily
unreal quarry
thanks @austere ivy, letsencrypt works perfectly \o/
i've never used them before. so easy ^_^
sand vale
no, I'm blaming paper for not just giving up.
stiff yarrow
its not doing anything in that stack besides informing you of severe lag
golden gust
If you hit 60 seconds we'll execute the server
static badge
Why is the interval in seconds lol
golden gust
if it's not executing the server properly, grab a jstack
static badge
did you set it to seconds
stiff yarrow
yeah the watchdog should be putting the server to bed after a while
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paper yaml
sand vale
I used what ever was default.
unreal quarry
yeah, its 10 second intervals by default.. its your own fault its "spewing" @sand vale
pulsar wigeon
vanilla has a watchdog these days i think?
golden gust
yup
pulsar wigeon
at least, there's a timeout for something in server.properties
i assume that's what it is
golden gust
Mojang has one, spigot replaces it with theirs
stiff yarrow
I see
pulsar wigeon
i'm guessing each software replaces the upstream one
pulsar wigeon
3600 of them
unreal quarry
if it lasts for over an hour then the watchdog never hit 60 seconds, so it was running... just very slowly
stiff yarrow
I turned up the timeout for debugging but it'd be silly to do that on prod
apparently paper lets you turn the watchdog off
unreal quarry
turning the watchdog off is only useful for attached debuggers
so it doesnt kill while you're stepping through
pulsar wigeon
yea i have definitely paused the server at a breakpoint for debugging and then went to go eat or run errands or whatever and just left it there for over an hour :^)
tropic flame
@void void I left when Z increased the slowmode to 6 hours
Since I couldn't properly chat I just decided to leave until the next day lol
upper flicker
Still not long enough
cosmic raft
you only needed to re-open your client
it's a bug
yeah; removing slowmode doesn't send a clear to the client
just need to re-launch to refresh
sand vale
Discord, by Mojang
carmine hinge
wizjany: Is it possible to limit the item conversion to ones with the unbreakable flag?
..and also to give the new items a certain flag? 😛
austere ivy
@cosmic raft :D
and uh
@merry talon, too
should I ping the leaf?
perhaps not.
eh, people can join later
@spare venture
carmine hinge
Kind of confused as to how you can register data fixers in your own code
What does the changesType flag do?
cosmic raft
@austere ivy @quasi valley https://i.imgur.com/zYiJw85.png
tell me that was cheating again
austere ivy
oof.
quasi valley
😂
austere ivy
if you don't join the skribbl there might be consequences
such as: sadnes and explosive diarrhea loneliness
quasi valley
brian youre on
unreal quarry
.g shrew
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stiff yarrow
I'm an artist
austere ivy
ARTISTRY
quasi valley
dont tell me that was you
austere ivy
Hey don't be so mean.
cosmic raft
@stiff yarrow https://i.imgur.com/HdZ5Vvb.png
austere ivy
You have 90 seconds to draw with a mouse lol
cosmic raft
my symphony from yesterday
austere ivy
LOL THAT'S THE BEST ONE THOUGH
best artistry
truly art
We need a museum of the great Skribbls.
unreal quarry
normal echo
ooo ty billy
quasi valley
oh nice
carmine hinge
is it possible to register custom datafixers?
versed tiger
Heh. Sleeping doesn't clear rain in 1.14.2-pre1
carmine hinge
Yeah I'm looking at that
Confused on how you can do that from a plugin since it's all in one method
Does worldedit do it anywhere?
shell vine
lol ikr
quasi valley
kash is an artist
pulsar wigeon
no? why would WE register DFUs?
we run stuff through DFU outside of the world. we don't care about DFUing stuff already in the world lol
unreal quarry
@austere ivy ridables kinda does it
By kinda, it just copies a df from another entity
But it registers it in a new name ^_^
void void
Does anyone have tips on reducing world save lag on 1.14.1 lol
unreal quarry
Use nvmes
void void
my server is on an nvme
cosmic raft
@quasi valley that's not what I drew. The top three were filled with black and had buckets carved out, and the left-middle and right-middle were the same but in the shape of sugar
pulsar wigeon
yea modifying existing schema is pretty straightforward
that's why i pointed him to dataconverterflatten last night
since that handles item:data -> new item
quasi valley
so it didnt render for us or what?
cosmic raft
I didn't get a screenshot, but I drew the recipe for a cake
carmine hinge
I'm more confused on how you instead the custom Datafix without accessing the builder
carmine hinge
insert*
quasi valley
skribbl
pulsar wigeon
you can't insert a new schema after it's built
actually that's a lie
you can, but you'd have to re-build
unreal quarry
I got the map, and put in the map
carmine hinge
Is rebuilding the best option?
pulsar wigeon
no
pulsar wigeon
adding your items to the existing schema is
like i just said
3 times
tho
depends on the dataversion you're migrating i guess
unreal quarry
Heres my hacky stuff https://github.com/BillyGalbreath/Ridables/blob/v3.0/src/main/java/net/pl3x/bukkit/ridables/util/RegistryHax.java#L43
gloomy sphinx
wtf
quasi valley
well I am a god https://kennytv.eu/files/4xiq1.png
carmine hinge
wait I get it
each schema is for a different version?
what's the version for 1.12.2?
pulsar wigeon
there isn't one per se
carmine hinge
do I use the same one as flatten?
pulsar wigeon
every time they change things they bump the data version, sometimes by a bunch
carmine hinge
is it possible to do that?
pulsar wigeon
every version has a data version in the info box
carmine hinge
ah
carmine hinge
nevermind
I thought you're saying e.g. in 1.15 the version for 1.12 would be different
unreal quarry
Don't use 15190 tho. I didn't know what it was at first. It's the world version. I do it a better way over here https://github.com/pl3xgaming/Purpur/blob/master/patches/server/0014-Villager-shops.patch#L33
pulsar wigeon
everything goes from its source version all the way up to the current version
carmine hinge
so it's volatile
carmine hinge
😛
pulsar wigeon
carmine hinge
o.o
limber knotBOT
same on irc 🤔
unreal quarry
No
austere ivy
Okie.
carmine hinge
@unreal quarry What's DataConverterTypes.n?
carmine hinge
:I
unreal quarry
In 1.13 it's entity_tree
carmine hinge
I mean like why use that specifically
more broadly how do you know which one to use in general
unreal quarry
You use the one that you need..
I'm modifying the entity_tree, so that the one I use
It's o in 1.14, btw
carmine hinge
What's the entity tree?
unreal quarry
Obf names change ;)
austere ivy
@spare venture why do you keep leaving
carmine hinge
also why do they leave these obfuscated
it tells you right there in the string what it is
seems kinda silly
cosmic raft
nobody voted to kick you
austere ivy
I literally can't do that
unreal quarry
md_5 only deobfuscates things that interest him personally.
carmine hinge
do I want item_stack?
quasi valley
skribbl is probably just doing a bad job again
pulsar wigeon
"why do they leave these obf"
because it's a lot of fucking work to deobf everything???
carmine hinge
fair
carmine hinge
there's also item_name
pulsar wigeon
coughdataconverterflatten
ebon root
Does anyone here have salesforce ?
pulsar wigeon
if i'm understanding your question, it literally does exactly what you're trying to do
austere ivy
@spare venture? :(
carmine hinge
I have a custom item system where item textures change based on damage value if they're unbreakable, they're mostly gold tools, but in 1.14 there's a custom item model int flag which is way better
pulsar wigeon
migrate minecraft:item.dmgvalue -> customitem w/ nbt or something
tbh i still don't know what the int flag thing is
carmine hinge
To migrate, I need to convert all old items which match the material and damage value + are unbreakable to the new item with the new custom item model flag
carmine hinge
But I need to convert all the old items in the world
I'm updating to 1.14 lol
I don't plan on using that in 1.12
quasi valley
use another browser I guess
carmine hinge
But to update I need to convert all old items
pulsar wigeon
i mean tbh the old items aren't gone
carmine hinge
There's thousands of items already in people's inventories and the worlds
austere ivy
@spare venture try again https://skribbl.io/?mxD72l363x
pulsar wigeon
just listen to chunkload/player join
austere ivy
maybe it was just skribbl being weird
pulsar wigeon
search inventories for the old items, convert them
carmine hinge
that sounds inefficient
pulsar wigeon
DFUs are necessary because the old things aren't valid
your undamageable gold tools are perfectly valid still
also it's not really that inefficient imo
carmine hinge
Wouldn't it be slow to go through every chest on chunk load?
pulsar wigeon
isn't there a way to get all TEs in a chunk?
pulsar wigeon
once you convert a chunk, mark it converted and don't re-do it
same things with players
there might be some edge cases like zombies picking up tools that players drop but idk if you care
carmine hinge
Well, it's better than making datafixers
finite wave
@cosmic raft they stupid
carmine hinge
I'll try it, thanks
unreal quarry
Don't need to do it on chunk load. Could just do it on invopen
finite wave
I wrote ! Start
carmine hinge
I thought of that before but I immediately dismissed it as too inefficient
But I guess it could work
Oh nice, I just realized this means that I don't need to change item stack sizes at all anymore
I can just use items with the right stack size
😄
ebon root
Hello is there someone here who have salesforce ?
gloomy sphinx
limber knotBOT
0o
obsidian lake
lmao 1.1.4.2 pre is already out
mojang really fucked up
yeah
at least there working on it
which is really nice
cause rn its unplayable even in singleplayer with all the bugs
limber knotBOT
obsidian lake
for me 1.12.2 is the best performance wise and least amount of bugs because of forge mods that can fix bugs
yes
1.12
cosmic raft
1.7 -> 1.10.2 -> 1.12.2
obsidian lake
1.8 for pvp mods
lol
theres so many pvp mods
lemme send you my list of pvp mods
lots are disabled but you get the point
its for hypixel
you get coins or some shit if you do gg at the end of the game
its for a better playing now screen
here ill open mc
most likely
look at my profile
limber knotBOT
obsidian lake
you see the minecraft thing
thats discordrp
i think its just a backported version
for hypixel
k
look now
i think it only shows when your playing hypixel
yeah
im in another server but it only shows main menu
i found it on the hypxiel formus
most likely
lemme decomplie it
popular in the hypixel community
but not in general
i think there is a discord rp that just shows the server your playing
limber knotBOT
yay
golden gust
TS would actually offer some pros, discord is just additional featureless fluff
shell vine
thanks for taking the time to draw out "not water" instead of just drawing the snow lmao
stiff yarrow
which one of you nerds was Oo
golden gust
(Pretty sure that TS has or had some 3d system)
The cost of something is irrelevant
You can host 100 people TS servers for free without handing your control over to some 3rd party company
void void
TS is bad
atomic marten
Wat
stiff yarrow
I preferred mumble back in the day
golden gust
I also wouldn't be surprised if discord had some BS TOS for integrating against their stuff
golden gust
teamspeak
acoustic pilot
There are still big communities on TS because they prefer having total control
gloomy sphinx
I was a big fan of Msn messenger
atomic marten
Has better audio too
finite wave
Teamspeak is noce
acoustic pilot
It's also less chat-oriented and more voice-oriented
golden gust
Better resource usage too :/
cosmic raft
mumble > teamspeak
acoustic pilot
It builds a different kind of community IMO
stiff yarrow
to be honest if you use voice A LOT discord is kind of shit
atomic marten
Team speak is great for raids too
stiff yarrow
constant service interruptions
unreal quarry
TS was nice. i bought the mobile app and everything. but i like discord much better
stiff yarrow
and lag
pulsar wigeon
ventrillo :^)
atomic marten
You can broadcast your voice between different channels
stiff yarrow
Discord is like the fast food version of voice chat
unreal quarry
unlike a lot of people, I enjoy not having to host discord. thats one less thing i have to worry about.
limber knotBOT
0o
acoustic pilot
Yeah that feature was nice for certain games
atomic marten
Discord isn’t the good fast food kind either
acoustic pilot
Discord is also bad at dealing with abuse to their system, another good reason to want full control
atomic marten
Refer to aikar‘s status
stiff yarrow
Aikar hasn't graced us with his presence in weeks 
too busy signing 5 hour energy deals
shadow dragon
unreal quarry
he's working on his own server. it lost a lot of love and care when he was too busy working on paper 1.13 😛
unreal quarry
DiscordSRV is working on some cool features, like proximity voice chat. should stop by and mention the raids to them
atomic marten
Only game I know that has any form of integration into team-speak was guild wars
Everything else was user addons
No
limber knotBOT
Mumble has support for proxyimit chat in tons of games, lots even natively ;)
*proximity
it's still the voip program with the most features ¯_(ツ)_/¯
atomic marten
Because it’s not bad
stiff yarrow
I've used all the popular-ish voice chat programs at diff points in time (skype, teamspeak, ventrillo, mumble, discord), TS was nice but then they didn't update it ever, Venti was okay but mumble had better codecs, skype sucks, discord is out of your control but convenient, nothing else to say about it
limber knotBOT
and it used to be the one with the lowest lag but teamspeak is using the same codec now sow
limber knotBOT
I wish riot/matrix communitys would have more features that at least got it close to a discord-guild-feeling :S
finite wave
Aikar is responding on his own discord
stiff yarrow
that's because this is a critical "oh shit we fucked up" patch
or a "microsoft forced a deadline on us" patch
limber knotBOT
tomorrow's meant to be "big news day"
this is a "dinnerbone came back from vacation and couldn't belive what he saw"-patch
quasi valley
probably the dungeon game they've been teasing
limber knotBOT
wait wut? there there is a 1.14.2?
nah, he was on vacation after, he was sick the day before release
ah no
I thought they'd already annouced Dungeons?
As a DD I can tell you they are fuck tards
stiff yarrow
scheduling your vacation for right when a buggy mess goes live
limber knotBOT
nah, they are going to announce it as an Epic Store exclusive tomorrow Kappa
quasi valley
but no release date
though it's due for 2019
either they'll peoperly announce that or minecraft AR
or whatever the pokemon go thingy is named
coarse vault
limber knotBOT
inb4 Minecraft Dungeons is just a mod and they announce the Java Mod API
stiff yarrow
inb4 Minecraft dungeons is a JRPG
stiff yarrow
well Mojang just open sourced some brigadier thing, haven't looked at it tho
limber knotBOT
or well, depends on what you mean by that. if you mean "tolarated" then yes? kinda? xD
golden gust
Every project that I know outside of spigot is hiding in channels where mojang devs sit
limber knotBOT
you mean the one being aqvailable for ages now nossr?
So what is this fuckery about 1.14.2 concerning?
tawny beacon
golden gust
So, while there ain't exactly a hand holding situation with mojang and the community, there is a fair amount of interaction between people when/as needed
stiff yarrow
I get my news slow
proud dagger
stiff yarrow
holyfather: some villager fixes that look important so far
golden gust
Nothing
native ginkgo
Anyone here have a good suggestion for a shop plugin that is easy for users to use and can be configured with item-economy or Gringotts? It will be for 1.14.1...
Please PM or message me if you know of one!
unreal quarry
imo, its because md_5 has isolated himself and spigot from everything else. he's not part of the community like everyone else is
stiff yarrow
md5 takes a very antisocial approach to open source
limber knotBOT
what does that even mean nossr? xD
native ginkgo
Lol. Shop by SnowGears is amazing, but isn't updated completely for even 1.13
stiff yarrow
it means what it sounds like
native ginkgo
Apparently he's working on it...
limber knotBOT
how about you open issues's ont eh chestshop github for the issues you have with it? ;P
maybe they get implemented? ;)
antisocial approach to open source? Not sure I follow. Open source is all about being social.
native ginkgo
I would pay $$$ for a shop plugin that nativly supports item-economy and is easy to use .. (1.14.1 compat too)
limber knotBOT
so you don't want in-world-shops? 🤔
native ginkgo
I want in world
limber knotBOT
holyfather: it's not, it's about the license of the code
strange bane
It rains in the nether, it's not a bug on Mojira. Is it a Spigot/Paper bug?
limber knotBOT
ic
native ginkgo
Like, you can place a chest and then out a sign on it... It run a command that brings up a GUI
finite wave
@strange bane Idk, Ask Spigot
limber knotBOT
phoenix616, so we wont see a bsd license anytime seen I assume
don't signs already have a GUI? why not use that one instead of having to run a command? Oo
pulsar wigeon
wtf does that even mean holyfather
limber knotBOT
was j/k
that would be possible if ChestShop supported currencies and the vault economy too I guess
then make every item a separate currency and bam, you can type that one a sign ;D
austere ivy
🥔
limber knotBOT
*on
austere ivy
🥔🥕 🍜
strange bane
Not on Spigot's Jira either. Could be a paper bug.
limber knotBOT
I don't see where you made it "not ugly"?
nobody makes it, it's already made ;)
and I maintain it to answer that question properly xD
austere ivy
I just think it’s the first day that I can get it to be a good idea
limber knotBOT
how would that work with non-item economies?
how would that work if you want to sell more than 1 slot worth of items?
austere ivy
I’m going to use the auto suggest on my phone to make sentences:
limber knotBOT
lmao
austere ivy
I just got to work and then I’ll be back in a couple of things to get my stuff to go to get my stuff and stuff to get stuff to do you want to go get to the stuff
native ginkgo
Listen, I just want THIS https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/shop-a-simple-intuitive-shop-plugin.9628/ to work on 1.14.1 lol
limber knotBOT
people sell inventory worth of stone and shit
native ginkgo
You can set the global ECON or just set up trades as well
unreal quarry
chestshop was always my go-to shop plugin for every server i've ever ran. it only changed when mojang got rid of the IDs for items, then i used snowgear's shop plugin. even helped him get some things implemented into it like chat components in CraftBukkit. but he updates too slowly for my taste, so now I run my own shop plugin i created awhile ago. but i'm ucrrently in the works on replacing it with a new shop idea that i haven't seen done before ^_^
austere ivy
I don’t know if you have any idea what you want to do or do you want to do it haha is the day you want to do it haha is the day you want to do it haha is the day you want to go get your computer 💻
austere ivy
Thanks phone good autocorrect
limber knotBOT
@unreal quarry why did you change to a different one originally?
limber knotBOT
but chestshop supports these?
unreal quarry
idk how it is now, havent looked
austere ivy
Billy is your chestshop plug-in public?
limber knotBOT
update was pretty fast imo
that's the whole reason I wrote the LEgacy ID converter xD
unreal quarry
no brian. there are a lot of things i dont release 😉
native ginkgo
@unreal quarry y ill pay man
austere ivy
Back to eating my spaghetti
austere ivy
Spatgehtti
limber knotBOT
I mean some of the "uglyness" also depends on how server owners set it up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
native ginkgo
So we have determined that there are no good shop plugins? hyaha
limber knotBOT
like if you want item icons just install a module that provides it
if you want more commands just install a module that adds commands
it's kinda build around that concept
pulsar wigeon
if it doesn't do exactly what i want it's 🚮
austere ivy
@meager perch I'm not saying anything of substance right now, I'm drunkenly eating
limber knotBOT
@AndyGK you don't need to type the item name, there is an auto-complete function
austere ivy
I'd probably ignore me too right now haha
limber knotBOT
and yes, it's limited to one per sign because it's difficult to fit more than 1 item onto a sign xD
there's a limited amount of space
austere ivy
Oh, phoenix, your plugin is a gui based one right?
limber knotBOT
wat?
austere ivy
Or is it a classic sign shop
limber knotBOT
@AndyGK how are you going to store that kind of information on the sign?
limber knotBOT
one of the goals is to store as little as possible in other datases/configs
*databases
strange bane
"Reremake" lol
void void
cant wait for paper 1.14.2 and spigot ofc
limber knotBOT
if you have multiple items then you need to store the item information of each shop somewhere
because the sign can't hold it
native ginkgo
But like, I need it to support ITEMS not regualr currency
limber knotBOT
oh so you want the same price for each item in the chest?
austere ivy
yes it can.
void void
paper must be realised 10 minutes after realise of 1.14.2
austere ivy
Signs can hold it.
limber knotBOT
hm, I guess that would be doable
austere ivy
Past 1.13, I believe tile entities can store any type of data.
You can technically write it all on the sign but then store the data, in that sign.
limber knotBOT
that's not visible for the player
limber knotBOT
another goal is for new players to be able to just copy a sign and their shop works
austere ivy
I suppose, yeah
limber knotBOT
btw. you could already store really long text on sign lines that didn't get rendered to players ;)
native ginkgo
An1 know of that Google Sheet filled with compatible plugins?? haha
strange bane
Does anyone know if I automatically compile with the latest NMS package names?
I feel like gradle could probably do that, I wouldn't know how though.
limber knotBOT
Noticed there have not been any commmits today. That because you guys are waiting on 1.14.2?
austere ivy
or busy with other stuff too
strange bane
I like it here. Feels like before the Discord server was split into channels. 😛
limber knotBOT
James IRC makes sense. Discord is hipster
austere ivy
void void
yes because hipies are dead
austere ivy
phoenix
did you steal my bed plugins
:(
wait it's not the same
nevermind
hey that's cool you made that plugin?
native ginkgo
So, is Gringotts the only Item based economy plugin out there?
native ginkgo
Gringotts looks complicated anyway haha
austere ivy
Well everyone knows you have a time machine /s
void void
that face when 1.14.1 has a new stacking dupe
limber knotBOT
maybe I'll write an item economy plugin some time, sounds like a fun thing to do xD
austere ivy
make tehbrian heads worth 1 million please
limber knotBOT
nah, each item will be their own currency
limber knotBOT
and you can enable or disable them in the config and (maybe) set exchange rates
austere ivy
I heard of a server where they built an economy of poisonous potatoes
poisonous potatoes were relatively hard to get
limber knotBOT
@AndyGK I make a special version just for you <3