#general | PaperMC | Page 133

golden gust May 15, 2019, 2:44 PM

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yup

hidden harness May 15, 2019, 2:45 PM

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same in the log

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not switching server

golden gust May 15, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Unless theres an error in the server logs not too sure

hidden harness May 15, 2019, 2:46 PM

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There is nothing, the last thing i see is Done!

golden gust May 15, 2019, 2:48 PM

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You could try making the proxy join that server by default and see if it says anything

void void May 15, 2019, 2:51 PM

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HEy cat is waterdog supported? i saw it the other day

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its like waterfall with PE support

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i guess

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idfk

hidden harness May 15, 2019, 2:52 PM

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@golden gust It just moved me to the the previous default server

golden gust May 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Please don't ping me

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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@void void it's probably supported by their authors xD

void void May 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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.kill phoenix616

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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rips phoenix616's intestines and uses them as a skipping rope.

void void May 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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good

golden gust May 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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You'll need to look into enabling debug mode and seeing if you can find something useful, mod support and waterfall is basically shaky as some mods just are not happy with it

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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🤔

golden gust May 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Is discord being stupid for anybody else?

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Taking a good amount of time to send messages

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Is discord being stupid for anybody else?

void void May 15, 2019, 2:54 PM

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little bit yes

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https://puu.sh/DsEev/9c69d21dc1.png

woven otter May 15, 2019, 2:54 PM

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depends on what do you mean by that

void void May 15, 2019, 2:54 PM

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little bit yes

golden gust May 15, 2019, 2:54 PM

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rip

hidden harness May 15, 2019, 2:54 PM

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sorry, will not do that

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Yes, it's being stupid for me too

void void May 15, 2019, 2:55 PM

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little bit yes

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thanks discord

woven otter May 15, 2019, 2:55 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/pFhddSc.png

cedar spade May 15, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Discord isn't loading some channels for me but I'm not having any issues with sending messages

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Yes, it's being stupid for me too

void void May 15, 2019, 2:55 PM

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i sent a message, took a pic of the msg sending, sent the link to the pic
that sent, so i resent the original message twice and it finally sent way out of sync

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good job, discord-san

wheat quarry May 15, 2019, 2:56 PM

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thonk

golden gust May 15, 2019, 2:56 PM

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huggles rsnapshot

wheat quarry May 15, 2019, 2:56 PM

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works

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 2:56 PM

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btw. there is rsnapshot-ng, anyone tried that yet? xD

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nop

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hm

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interesting, that bot message didn't go through for me

void void May 15, 2019, 2:57 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/why-tho-gif-13920178

Tenor

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me while watching my messages fail to send

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 2:57 PM

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-ng doesn't really seem to offer anything major over rsnapshot

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some of the ideas seem useful but haven't really found the need yet ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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just use irc ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

void void May 15, 2019, 2:59 PM

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blegh. speaking of irc.

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im broke atm, so my dedi's gonna go down including my IRC rip.

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unless my broke ass finds money and pays for it somehow

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:01 PM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/java-lang-arrayindexoutofboundsexception-0.372672/#post-3401021 eY look someone who thinks spigot = bukkit

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 0

I have tried to make a command with arguments as a test run before I dive head in on my main task, and I keep getting the following console log:...

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:03 PM

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should probably be fixed in bukkit too 🤔

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also the same people probably also don't realise that getPlayer(String) also gets players that partionally match the name xD

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yay mirc

void void May 15, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Is it safe 1.14.1 now to use?

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:03 PM

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no

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"0% [Connecting to debian.mirrors.ovh.net "

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sweet

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:11 PM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/how-i-can-make-custom-items-recipes.372935/

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People are suggesting datapacks now

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I mean I guess they work for people not wanting to write/find plugins xD

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:12 PM

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“Best way to do is without a plugin”

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:12 PM

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"plugins are the devil"

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also if datapacks support itemstacks rather than materials natively then that might actually work better

void void May 15, 2019, 3:12 PM

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StalloneFacedSpongeBob

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I personally only use Skript with an integrated Skript parser, directly inside the server.

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:13 PM

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It might be easier not sure if it’s bettee

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:13 PM

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ok, datapacks only support materials/item IDs so you still need a plugin ¯_(ツ)_/¯

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:16 PM

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You’re staff on spigot ew

quasi valley May 15, 2019, 3:16 PM

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it can probably be done with some PrepareItemCraftEvent fishery, but it makes sense that they just use materials

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:17 PM

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.lart @finite wave

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enrolls @finite wave in Visual Basic 101.

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Oh noe

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.lart phoenix616

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:18 PM

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takes phoenix616 out at the knees with a broken pool cue.

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why 1.14 sill being called 1.14?

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:19 PM

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?

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:19 PM

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there is no branch for 1.14.1

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Oh

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Well to be honest what does it mattwr

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:19 PM

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kinda weird. See leaf has made some commits etc today

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well yeah if you want to checkout a branch

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say I want to grab a folder from my backup server, how do I output it as a folder?

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using curl

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tar (and ideally gz) it

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there we go I forgot to tar it

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Smh

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:23 PM

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scp barty@666.com:/path/to/dingleberry.jar .

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well im just testing the command getting used to it jan >_>

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:24 PM

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That’s not curl now is it holyfather

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:24 PM

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ah curl

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thanks, got it all figured out

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now how would I go about deleting files on a backup server that can only be accessed via FTP on my server's IP?

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there's a couple random test files in there that I want to get rid of now haha

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:27 PM

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phoenix616 how do i react to this

📎 image0.png

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:28 PM

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I feel like I'm missing some context?

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Nope

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That’s all the context i have too

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:29 PM

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also iirc I've seen that picture a couple months ago

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(with no context either xD)

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barty why curl? tar czf free-dingleberry.tar.gz your-dingleberry-folder && curl -s free-dingleberry.tar.gz

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would use scp > wget > curl

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using wget over curl

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wat

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because i know i can use --limit-rate

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because this is all new to me

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phoenix616, this I gotta hear. Why curl over wget?

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for a big tar

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googling finds me curl path -Q "filename"

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I just find the options curl provides better than wgets ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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in the end they probably do (almost) the same thing I guess?

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personally I would use scp but thats another story.

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I personally would use rsync ;P

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or that ofc

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if I was making lots of backups

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but for his case wget might actually be better if he doesn't want to tar/zip the files before as wget apparently supports recursive downloads? Oo

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(needs to have the files indexed I guess?)

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what I was thinking

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also "Wget can be typed in using only the left hand on a qwerty keyboard!" xD

green garden May 15, 2019, 3:36 PM

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limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:37 PM

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heh guess so. That is lazy on a scale that even I can appreciate!

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https://daniel.haxx.se/docs/curl-vs-wget.html

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all i want to do is 1. shove my tar.gz onto a backup, 2. figure out how to delete stuff on my backup, and 3. retrieve the tar.gz from the backup. I figured out 1 and 3, cannot figure out 2

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just ssh into the backup server and remove the files? 🤔

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Think he wants got retrieve the tar from a remote backup?

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Maybe he doesn't have remote SSH

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:38 PM

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barty can you ssh to that server?

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 3:39 PM

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And he's paying $5 a month for someone else to get full control

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f_thinking

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:39 PM

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i'll be a little more clear, it's an ovh backup drive that can only be accessed via FTP from my dedi's IP

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so delete it via ftp?

static badge May 15, 2019, 3:39 PM

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f_thinking

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is that ur filthy weeaboo emotes

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:39 PM

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https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001246.htm

How do I use FTP from a command line?

How to use FTP from a command line to upload and download files from a remote computer.

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wait, that is for windows, wat

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or not, it says linux at the top

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I'm confused xD

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ah ... have not use that protocol in a while

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he wants to use curl to get a ftp file right?

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i already figured out how to use curl to put/get the file, i just want to know how to delete a file on the ftp server

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Just connecr to it

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:42 PM

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curl -u user:password 'ftp://ip/dingleberry.tar.gz' -o ~/put-file-her/dingleberry.tar.gz

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you can use curl for ftp iirc

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yes holyfather that's the syntax i used to download the file

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not sure if there is a flag to delete a file

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:44 PM

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28721515/curl-command-line-tool-delete-file-from-ftp-server

Stack Overflow

CURL command line tool - Delete File from FTP server

I'm actually trying to use CURL to make some operations on a ftp server in C++ with Visual Studio. I've no trouble to do some uploads or downloads with commande line tools.

But for deleting some f...

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:44 PM

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yeah thats where i am right now

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ill try that

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not just connecting via ftp

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curl -X should do the trick

finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Isek

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:44 PM

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using curl to send an ftp command

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mfw

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barty just looked at man. Seems the flag -X will delete files.

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gotcha thanks

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trying it

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btw is 1.14.1 still having major issues with paper?

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yes, you should wait for 1.14.2

maiden sedge May 15, 2019, 3:48 PM

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finite wave May 15, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Tbh just wait for 1.14.9

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:50 PM

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figured it out, curl -u user:pass ftp://host/file -Q 'DELE file'

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Pretty sure you could have figured this out with 10 seconds on Google

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f_thinking

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 3:59 PM

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btw. datapacks DO allow item nbt tag checking for recipes... I misread the wiki xD

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also it's not like I send you the link with the solution on how to do that with ftp barty :P

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Oh wow Discord changed the status icon for users on mobile it's not just red green yellow purple anymore

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aPPepeHeadScratch

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:01 PM

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if only they could implement per user/server statuses now...

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Idle? that's a crescent moon now

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DND ? That's a traffic sign looking thing now

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📎 Screenshot_20190515-090236_Discord.jpg

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Can I get the no table role

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Yeah probably ask Z

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although the more you want it the more he might be tempted to reject you

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aPPepoDance

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Either way.... figured I’d ask since my partner glare has it

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I feel left out

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 4:04 PM

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we're gonna need documentation of the lack of tables in your house

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Well we only have two

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One for my pc and other to eat on

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Is that too many

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I use paper plates to eat on

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Does that count

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 4:06 PM

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I've been there PPepoHappy

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Too poor to afford a dishwasher and I hate dishes

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We use real silverware

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Who are you

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Barry realms

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:16 PM

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yep

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just a shitty server owner :)

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Can I join

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Dm me ip

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:18 PM

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nah

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i dont want you stinking it up

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or seeing how bad it is

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either

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:18 PM

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“I don’t play much but when I do... it’s usually on a shit server”

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:19 PM

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i haven't even been on my server in 3 weeks

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Shame on you

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It’s probably crashed

turbid spade May 15, 2019, 4:19 PM

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📎 aMZWeBA_700bwp.webp

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:19 PM

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well I've been building my 1.14 server

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nah it's doing just fine

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Does it use papi

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:19 PM

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yes dad

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i'm just using worldborder

void void May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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tfw papi plugin has /daddy command

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Daddy was removed

void void May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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when? :D

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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rip

void void May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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it was a good gem tbfh

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Now u have to /papi ecloud download daddy to add it back

void void May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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oof

turbid spade May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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📎 How_to_kick_a_babies_ass.jpg

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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i love that you put the work in to do that

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Too many people without fathers got mad and made me remove it

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Although my dad is dead so I know the feeling

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Just wanted to bring a dad back in my life but that didn’t work out well

polar veldt May 15, 2019, 4:21 PM

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what did the command do?

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:21 PM

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well when your plugin is used universally by mostly every server, you're gonna get people that bitch at you no matter what they're bitching about

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Just an alias for /papi

void void May 15, 2019, 4:22 PM

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of course its WonderHowTo

polar veldt May 15, 2019, 4:22 PM

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oh

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:22 PM

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It made sense

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Papi == daddy

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:22 PM

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i learned about the javascript package in papi yesterday

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very nice

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:22 PM

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I knew about that for a while

void void May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Too many people without fathers got mad and made me remove it
did someone actually make an issue for that? lmao

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Yes

void void May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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reminds me that python's master/slave topic

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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I lost a person on my team over it

void void May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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"IT OFFENDS PEOPLE"

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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By the way he responded on GitHub

void void May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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.g placeholderapi daddy

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/placeholderapi.6245/updates -- PlaceholderAPI - Updates | SpigotMC - High Performance...: "May 4, 2019 ... PlaceholderAPI 2.10.2 ... As per request, daddy has been removed. ... where plugins requesting placeholders fail to hook with..."

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

PlaceholderAPI

void void May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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.g placeholderapi daddy github

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:23 PM

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(DiscordBot) https://github.com/PlaceholderAPI -- PlaceholderAPI · GitHub: "A collection of expansions from PlaceholderAPI - Help via our Discord ... Adds /daddy back to PlaceholderAPI ... An example expansion for..."

GitHub

PlaceholderAPI

A collection of expansions from PlaceholderAPI - Help via our Discord https://helpch.at/discord - PlaceholderAPI

void void May 15, 2019, 4:24 PM

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daily reminder that bing sucks

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:25 PM

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And then the backlash due to another person cleaning up the thread on the github issue because it was nothing but rage

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Drama

void void May 15, 2019, 4:25 PM

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so that drama is basically deleted from github? oof

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:25 PM

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My baby momma doesn’t being as much drama as /daddy did

void void May 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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📎 image.png

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yep

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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There are some screenshots posted on spigot

finite wave May 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Hmm

void void May 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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fucking snowflakes

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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I had nothing to do with the whole GitHub shit aside from bringing daddy into this world

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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not a fan of deleting how dumb people behave...

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Same

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:27 PM

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should've just been hidden by default or something

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Wasn’t around so I had no control over how it was handled

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I handled the aftermath tho

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:27 PM

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people are dumb

void void May 15, 2019, 4:27 PM

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i still want to see that meme

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starts searching spigot forums

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:28 PM

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[12:23 PM] clip: I lost a person on my team over it

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yikes

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:28 PM

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It’s in the papi discussion

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Wasn’t as horrible as you expect

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Still not my style of the way to respond to someone who has an issue with something

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Respect and common courtesy is a must

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Until you break that

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Thanks for using my plugin

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😂😂

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Were you offended by /daddy

polar veldt May 15, 2019, 4:31 PM

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i use it and my dad isn't alive

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:31 PM

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people asked me a few times what /daddy was for

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on my server

polar veldt May 15, 2019, 4:31 PM

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i wouldn't be offended by that

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:31 PM

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I removed it for your sake

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Yeah I gave out an update to test today

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1.1:3 but since this api-version shit basically disables the plugin on higher versions I’m doing a 2 version update to support both

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Not defining an api version means no 1.12+ compatibility

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Defining 1.14 means it don’t load on 1.13

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Stupid af

fluid sparrow May 15, 2019, 4:35 PM

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limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:35 PM

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deluxemenu works for me on 1.14

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Not the new material system

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:35 PM

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yeah

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:35 PM

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It works but not fully functional

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:36 PM

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fair

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i just wanted to import my /help menu, and am too lazy to redo it on another plugin

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:36 PM

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I got u

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Updates coming soon

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:37 PM

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@meager perch you mean a /shop plugin?

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like a server shop?

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like chestshop

polar veldt May 15, 2019, 4:37 PM

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barty what build of paper/spigot are you currently using?

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:37 PM

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or a gui based one

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22 ken

polar veldt May 15, 2019, 4:37 PM

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thanks

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:37 PM

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you realise signs are better?

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altho I can't connect to my server anymore on 22

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like you just copy what you see on another sign and it works

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Animate your signs

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

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I started using QuickShop

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Very good plugin for dumb players

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doesn't that use commands?

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Only one command, "/qs create"

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seems harder for new people tbh

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If people can't use commands I don't want them on my server

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not worth the time teaching some kid how to create a chest shop when all it takes is a brain

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commands aren't part of vanilla so if you try to keep your server that way good luck 🤔

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*vanilla survival

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Hire a dev and make your dreams come true... tbh the only reason I initially got into development was because I was tired of wasting money making my ideas come to life

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:39 PM

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my server isn't a vanilla survival server so it makes sense

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 4:40 PM

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/seed is still available in vanilla survival I think.

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:40 PM

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yeah, different goals I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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How can i use aikar flag?

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around half of my player base wants to keep stuff "as close as possible to Vanilla", the rest is semi ok with some modifications

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put the flags in your startup script

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:40 PM

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I ended up paying a kid from the Netherlands to get me started with java

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:41 PM

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so we end up with some modifications that are necessary (like shops and portals) but they all kinda feel like they could be natural

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just that you don't have to trust other players xD

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yes but after i put java right it start and disappear

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Lol this is just a hobby

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:41 PM

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phoenix616 i feel bad for you

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sounds awful

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why?

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:41 PM

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id love to start learning java

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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you have to realise that that game concept got me into developing minecraft stuff in the first place xD

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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but i have so much other shit cus of uni + managing the community + my job

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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your players want a "Natural feel" when vanilla is.. let's just say "feature-incomplete"

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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i feel like i need a lot of time

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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I started on classic tho

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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yeah, we add the necessary features while having it still "feel like minecraft"

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at least that's the goal ¯_(ツ)_/¯

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Before your guys time

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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i see, no grief prevention or anything?

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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ive been playing since classic

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the community i help run has been around since 2009

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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no, we have that. as I said "some stuff is necessary", especially trust based ones on a public server

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mhm

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so shop, region, container and animal protection is there

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Classic was what sparked my imagination after seeing what people did with that

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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they probably wouldnt make it past the queue lol

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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my players like having playershops, custom enchants, cosmetics, land claiming

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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It was nothing compared to today’s Minecraft

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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one of our devs made one of the first custom software iirc

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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even the "vanilla" players on my server like it

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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id hace to dig on mcforums

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have*

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:44 PM

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the goal is more like "play like single player but with other people", not "play multiplayer without any restriction"

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ahh

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:44 PM

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speaking of classic, they copied this license twice in the remake

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limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:44 PM

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yeah my server is more "build a community"

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i actively make it harder to play singleplayer on my server

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well we have stuff that people can use if they want but we have plenty of long time players that just want to play the game and sometimes interact with the community but want that to be their decision

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:45 PM

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https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-java-edition/discussion/2109197-the-secret-history-of-minecraft-with-proof#c7

The secret history of Minecraft. (with proof) - Discussion - Minec...

I'm JTE. I joined Minecraft around nearly the beginning, way back in the Summer of 2009, when Glass Blocks and Sponges were newly implemented and the only se...

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this guy

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he started our community

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:45 PM

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!stats

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Uptime: 28 days, 20 hours, 49 minutes, 9 seconds
Message Handling: 3ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 6858 (8%)
Messages from Discord: 83968 (92%)

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8%

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woo

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suck it discord

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don't cheat

fluid sparrow May 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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sorry to bother but does 1.14.1 paper perform much better in terms of tps in comparison to regular spigot 1.14.1

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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probably about the same @fluid sparrow

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both are not recommended for production servers

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both are unstable

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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So devs let me ask a question.. what was your first shit plugin

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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he made one of the first lava survival servers too iirc

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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i don't dev because i'd rather die than learn another programming language

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I mean if you already know one it's not really hard xD

inland fiber May 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Not sure where to report a bug but here's a potential bug

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https://pastebin.com/v6VK9gDn

Pastebin

[18:45:35 INFO]: RedFoxYT issued server command: /mount [18:45:...

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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already had to suffer through C++ and matlab (altho matlab is nice and not really a programming language)

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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use github issues

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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well phoenix616 i won't really ever use it if i learn it tbh

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@inland fiber that's a plugin bug

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my career doesn't require java

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fr.recreative.mounts

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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also yea

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Same

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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/mount is a plugin not paper

golden gust May 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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That plugin is using an internal class which doesn't exist in paper

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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or really programming at all besides matlab

inland fiber May 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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And this?
[18:45:35 ERROR]: [global] TIMING_STACK_CORRUPTION - Report this to Paper! This is a potential bug in Paper

golden gust May 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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(it's part of the old timings v1 stuff)

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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what version of paper are you on

golden gust May 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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And that one is likely because we're not handling exceptions there properly in regards to timings

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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barty: says right at the bottom

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i didnt open it

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wonder if downgrading to paper-21 will let me connect to my server again

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yep, time to report this :)

fast tree May 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Anyone here good/experienced at writing plugins..?

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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there isn't a single person in the world good at writing plugins. all plugins are 💩

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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i know lua

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can i use that

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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it's an extension to C

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:^)

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Uptime: 28 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes, 13 seconds
Message Handling: 3ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 6879 (8%)
Messages from Discord: 84005 (92%)

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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language i learned to make money off of gmod

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lul

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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lua

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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actully fine

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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havent heard that name in a long time

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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i mean it wasn't like living money

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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man someone needs to revive lua

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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i just made small gui stuff really

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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lua isn't really dead tbh

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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imagine if you wrote darkrp or something like that

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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it's still used in a lot of high profile games for addons

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like WoW

urban ferry May 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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tbh java is dead

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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dying fast

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although the CSE department at my school requires all CSE majors to take java or C++ still

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they all choose java

maiden sedge May 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Wassup bois, looking for a good minecraft server hoster. Anyone have any good tips?

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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use a toaster oven

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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are you willing to learn linux

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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If anyone has time please sign the petition to bring back daddy

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https://www.change.org/p/clip-add-the-daddy-command-back-to-placeholderapi

Change.org

Sign the Petition

Add the /daddy command back to PlaceholderAPI

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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are you willing to learn like 5 commands in linux and follow a guy step by step

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guide*

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anime avatar

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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how tf is papi a server necessity

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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nope

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:58 PM

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oh yea

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forgot servers are all shit these days

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:58 PM

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clip: change your avatar

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and ill sign it

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Just stick with mvdw placeholder api

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 4:59 PM

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placeholders

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 4:59 PM

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wait, are they different

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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mvdw is for some guy's premium plugins

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because they dont work with papi i guess

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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that's retarded

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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The trashy dude with the trashy Featherboard plugin and all the other trash

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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this is retarded too

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limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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boom roasted

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Facts

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Noob

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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i mean, retarded is a bit off the cuff

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tehnically it's argumentum ad populum

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hence retarded

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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More servers use papi than paper

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Check Bstats

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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yea i mean there's lots of retarded servers

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go figure

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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reee

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Placeholders make sense. A single place to register placeholders for all plugins.

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And then display those where ever.

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Good luck testing your mvdw placeholders btw. You need to have one of his plugins installed before you can test them.

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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i had to use mvdw placeholders thanks to featherboard i think

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Don’t be a hater

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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I don't use his plugins, I only wanted to add some placeholders of my own plugin

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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whats wrong with mvdw placeholders

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Already do

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People wanted both (yes I know you can convert between them)

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Mvdw supports papi so really no point

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:03 PM

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I just wrote some reflection to bypass that stupid check of him

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There are other scoreboard plugins, don't know how good they compare though

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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it does clip yeah

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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featherboard is 🚮 anyway

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i literally haven't heard anything good about it ever

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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stefvanschie: i have to use featherboard because there are no alternatives that really work

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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everyone complains that it's full of errors, laggy, and overall shit

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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I think his entire argument for Featherboard's superiority is that it's packet-based.

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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even barty just admitted that the only reason to use it is that the alternatives are also trash

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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yes

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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minecraft is just full of trash

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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there was only one alternative a couple months ago

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and the free alternative was shit and didnt work on bungee servers

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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There is KiteBoard, but it's not free and it's fundamentally designed differently I think, using the scoreboard API vs packets.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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I could say some shit but i is rather not piss anyone off

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Scoreboards are shit. I won't play on a server that's flashing all kinds of shit on the side or top of my screen ;)

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\o/

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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TAB dev literally said "i dont want to ruin the featherboard guy's life by taking away his revenue screen"

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Kite board is good

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Niall even handles adding papi support to holographic displays

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:06 PM

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billy how else will you know what server you're on if it isnt constantly reminding you!

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Yeah scoreboards are just annoying

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Take up too much real estate

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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if your GUI scale is 5 i understand that byte

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Tab list is more than enough to convey what server one is playing on, or balance, or whatever lol

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Tab is wack

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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They're both whack but one is out of the way.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Scoreboard is overrated too in a way

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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muh vanilla tab menu

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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But holograms

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Tab is nice since you can easily hide/show it.

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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holograms are whack

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Pfft

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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You know what else I hate? Particle trails on players.

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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But if scoreboard had that option as well, I'd prefer that

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Pretty sure maxim added a command to hide it

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:08 PM

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stefvan

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Buy featherboard for that option

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:08 PM

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my scoreboard literally says "use /fb toggle to hide"

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for the brainlets

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Yes, FeatherBoard has that option, but a lot of servers either have their own scoreboard stuff or disable that command

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:08 PM

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@meager perch no. They are tied

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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ah i see

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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The information presented in a scoreboard doesn't need to be visible all the time. 90% of it is useless information.

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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yeah mine just gives a little bit of info like how much money you have

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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So forcing them to toggle it off by typing is kinda lame

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That's why I like tab list, because it's off by default, and a simple key stroke away

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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oh god how dare i ask them to type a command

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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For something that should be off by default? Yes

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Good thing I don’t have a scoreboard plugin lol

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Asking them to manually turn off something that shouldn't have even been on to begin with is a hassle, indeed.

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:09 PM

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good thing my players have never bitched about my scoreboard

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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You'd be surprised at how much players don't bitch about.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I don’t mind them but I do agree they get in the way

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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yeah if your UI scale is 5

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I think it's better to have the feature, but make it off by default and let players toggle it on

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Especially to show info I don’t care about

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:11 PM

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@meager perch nope. The client controls the glow color according to team color. Can't have one without the other.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:11 PM

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When I talk I know what rank I am, I have /Bal to see how much money I have, etc

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:12 PM

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It's annoying enough that you could use it as a nuissance to get people to buy a rank lol

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"Upgrade to a premium rank to hide your annoying ass scoreboard!"

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Still distracting

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:13 PM

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How low did you set your GUI scale?

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Most people aren't changing their GUI scale lol

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In fact, I'm tempted to say a large portion don't even play in full screen

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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I don't

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Default scale, default window size

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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I don’t

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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a lot of people use scale set to auto

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yep

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seen it a lot with players

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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It's probably the default scale

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Damn even yive is in here

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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yep

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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People don't change their MC settings

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Configuration is for power users

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Sup dude been a long time

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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haven't had any players complain about the scoreboard

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actually, if a server doesn't have one it seems less premium

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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nothing much other than basically living within the nms of 1.12.2 and 1.8.8

void void May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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most people who play minecraft really dont care

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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^ they just want to play

void void May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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so they leave settings default

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Lmao

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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agree

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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holy hell

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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People are even scared to just install Optifine

void void May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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ive seen people with 7700ks and 16gb of ram running at like 16 or whatever the default render distance is lol

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Yive brought you leaked plugins and spigot builds without build tools

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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It also highly depends on your community type

void void May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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very true

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modded is different

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i think most modded players adjust settings

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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^

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I like the bobbing

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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those already know how to install stuff

void void May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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i like bobbing also billy

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it v good

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I changed my settings; I can't run mc with 8 chunks visible

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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In modded communities and Factions/PVP communties, client modifications will be more prevalent.

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:16 PM

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chat looks decently clean barty

void void May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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yeah factions too

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Survival/SkyBlock type communities will run on default client settings for the most part

golden gust May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I change the size of the window all the time, and really don't feel like messing around to change the gui scale all the time

void void May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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but theres still people on factions who dont change

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Creative

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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of course there's exceptions to the rule

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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i feel like a scoreboard thing would get so annoying on my creative server

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I never messed with the GUI scale

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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barty the fact that half your chat width is prefixes is retarded btw

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just wanted to let you know

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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i personally just do what i see fit

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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ik

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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players either don't care or are fine with it

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I personally prefer a color for the name and a hover for the actual rank

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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There are servers with like a chat prefix and a suffix lol

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Takes up way more space

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And yeah it sucks

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But I guess people actually like that

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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brag rights byte

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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yeah players haven't asked me for a scoreboard ahaha

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Same @wide chasm

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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so ill keep it out

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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you have a shiny prefix showing what your wallet can afford

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pretty important for getting many purchases

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and since there's no reason to keep a modern american-style server larger than 50 players without wanting revenue off it

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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I think my server is the last in existence that doesn't have ranks. Everyone is equal in my world ;)

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Dm the ip @unreal quarry

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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I give keys for votes. Keys open random loot chests, etc.

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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the main server i work for forces people to vote to be able to apply for staff

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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I love those servers

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:20 PM

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works pretty well

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:21 PM

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I also sell /fly and am still Eula compliant

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:21 PM

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isn't /fly considered not eula compliant

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Context is important

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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oh, yeah minigames

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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I don't have a lobby

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Or minigames

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It's pure survival ^_^

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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pure survival with fly? thonk

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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i've did that too barty

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Well, it's definitely interesting that Mojang still doesn't patch the SRV hole in new releases.

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Yup, wiz

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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they don't care

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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It's within their power to.

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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mind explaining billy or?

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you just gonna leave us at that?

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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they probabbly only wanted the large players to change

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Fly pays for my server ^_^

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I don't get rich or make it a job.

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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They can apply the blacklist to the resolved IP and effectively fix the bypass.

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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server i work for is in top 10 on voting sites, has a PB of over 1000 and hasn't received any eula mail

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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i wasn't asking about your finances

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Somehow I doubt that.

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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$1 to have /fly for 1 hour. Anyone buys, everyone gets it.

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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i need to get voting up in my servers

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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i was asking about the mental gymnastics of arriving at the conclusion that survival with /fly is "pure"

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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well, that's how it is

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server is Romanian

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so they might not focus so much on romanian servers reallyb

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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our community has barely any donor perks honestly

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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but our main competitor with 200 players got blacklisted

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Non-creative flight is technically part of survival?

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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IDK how to answer that with anything that would satisfy you, wiz... Lol

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I mean, survival and single player prob not the same thing we're thinking off.

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survival vs vanilla, I mean

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You can be survival but not be vanilla.

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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yea maybe byte

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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pretty interesting barty

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not really profitable though

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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i guess "pure survival" means to me the "mojang experience"

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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people want to brag and feel more important

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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So I'll leave it at that

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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it doesn't sound like he rents out elytras for an hour

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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ok

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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i tried 1.14.1 with worldborder to pregenerate a world - and its extremely slow (3 chunks/sec) while 1.13 had about 50-100 chunks/sec - anyone has experience with that and ideas how to make it faster?

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i currently have only the worldborder plugin on that server and 4gb ram

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no players

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:26 PM

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isn't global donations a eula-friendly thing?

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Yes

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Glad I don’t run a server

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:27 PM

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if it continues at this speed it will take 3 weeks to generate the world...

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Same clip

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:27 PM

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same

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:28 PM

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I have testplugins but that’s nothing compared to the bs of running an actual server

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:28 PM

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I don't run a server either, technically. I let others do it for me. I just like to code shit for it ^_^

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:28 PM

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And I pay out of pocket for that

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:29 PM

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servers probs earn more than plugin devs clip

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they are the first layer in our industry let's asy

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:29 PM

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depends on the server/plugin tbh

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:29 PM

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deleted my server like a week before 1.14 released

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:29 PM

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player -> servers -> plugin makers, builders, server lists, etc

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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brokkoli whats your issue

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Brokkoli*

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Didn’t I mention I have been around since classic? Been in the server game a long time and yeah money can be made

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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made £20 in 4 months lol

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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yikes

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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ouch

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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That money isn’t worth the time or effort to me to be a babysitter

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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barty: world generation is extremely slow in 1.14.1

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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1000 player server prob generates 20k in revenue (USD) and pays one or two devs $3-4k/mo each

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and spends maybe $300-400 in hosting

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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30 player server easily generates $500+ a month

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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that's around how much a US server would get

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for us in romania it's way worse 😐

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I don't like how people see Minecraft as a business opportunity/industry. :(

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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10-20 players any day, small donations perks

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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same billy

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I run servers because I like the community

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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capitalism ho!

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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thats why i only care about paying off the server

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Welcome to capitalism.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I have 2 kids under 4, why would I want to babysit a bunch of pre teens all day

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Minecraft isn't a game, it's a market

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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~1500 PB with 3k a month revenue, 900$ hosting, 0$ developers

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:31 PM

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that said, popular premium plugins pull in a lot of money too

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and have much less cost

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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an average 10-15$ a day

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if it's a good one (that's rare)

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Yeah premium plugins seems like a pretty sweet opportunity

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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oof

unreal quarry May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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My server costs $60/mo. And it pays for itself. That's it. It's for fun ^_^

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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it's passive earnings

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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How do you make so much?

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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so you can do more

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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That's not the numbers I was seeing with plugins

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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My premium plugin money I make is gas money and free spending money

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Billy i like your attitude

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Downloads = purchases. Just go look at premium plugins and do the math yourself.

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Under total downloads, I Mean

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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running servers is a hobby

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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I agree

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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byte, it depends on the plugins

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I’ve made thousands for hardly any time spent

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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for example my plugin made 455 sales in 1 year and 2 days

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Well, plugin price can fluctuate, so you won't get an exact earnings number, but pretty good estimate, yeah

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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your plugin sucks tho?

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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server owners make way more than plugin devs, especially if they got a popular server

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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^

merry talon May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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there's some real snake oily plugins that make big money

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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You still bought it

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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yes, there are sweepy

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but i rather not sell my reputation for a penny

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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making public plugins sounds cancerous tbh

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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since services for server owners are my second income source

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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LagBeGone V3

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$20

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Can confirm, Yive, it can be pretty annoying

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Even when yive leaked my shit I still made $$

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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imagine making MC's most popular plugin for free yive

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literally cancer

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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essentials is already free

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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yes server owners definitely make more than premium plugin devs

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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wasn't talking essentials

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WE is way more popular lol

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Luckily

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I don't really think leaks harm sales in a meaningful way

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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ah right forgot it is multi platform

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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nor does being open source

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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actually, that's what i sell Triatic 😃

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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even just on bukkit yive

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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It don’t @stiff yarrow

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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tbh clip is the reason why I stopped the leaked plugin stuff

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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worldedit is easily 150-200% of Ess' size server-wise

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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No it’s not

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Charge for support and official builds, and I think you'd still get most people going through SpigotMC resources and paying for it vs compiling it if it was open source.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:35 PM

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If so tell me why

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I’d like to know

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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your post about having your first kid

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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leaks definetly don't harm too much

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especially if your support is really good

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and you deny it to leakers

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Rly

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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charging for support byte...? uh?

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really?

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is that a thing?

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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you do frequent updates

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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how would that even work

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Well that would be factored into the cost of the premium plugin

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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I don't deny support to anyone unless they are being rude

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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ah ok

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Buying the plugin would entitle you to support

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:36 PM

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was going to say i don't think charging support separate would work

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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yeah, me neither but they usually deny it themselves

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since the respecful ones usually are shy to ask

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Seems like the least scummy model of selling premium plugins.

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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and the disrespectful ones dont' get help unless they prove the purchase

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Make the whole thing open source, charge for builds + support, factored into the cost of the plugin.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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That really made you have a change of heart @ornate spindle ?

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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that's how you get purchases sadly

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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yeah

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Why

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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made me realise that leaking the premium plugins can harm families in a sense

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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@meager perch what kind of updates?

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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lul

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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AndGK, an average dev in the US get's ~23$ an hour

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I wish I was paid like that

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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most minecraft devs get less than that per hour

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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depends a lot on what you do tbh

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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since we also have to factor in support, uploading, getting graphics

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so on

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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if you maintain legacy COBOL systems for banks, there's a lot more money than being an iOS app dev

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:^)

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:39 PM

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are you from russia yive?

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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But it never really harmed me personally because I had shit going on outside of Minecraft to ensure my family was good

No one should ever depend on this game as a means of dependency or support of real life

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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canada

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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of course wiz

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Depends on how many hours you work, where you live etc

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I earn 0.001 $/hour from donations lol

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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does how many hours you work matter that much in per hour price?

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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the SEUS dev would like to have a talk /s

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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$23/hr prob not great if you're only doing 4 hours and live in New York lol, but in Texas you could probably live really good

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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@sturdy fulcrum fair, though in some situations, plugin dev might be the only source of income for some people so I just stopped all together

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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yea hex no /s

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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it's bad byte

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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that guy is actually filthy rich off that shit

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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yeah lmao i only put /s cus its not a spigot plugin but

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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but what i meant to say is that minecraft developers get less usually

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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and its only hype driving it

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itll die off

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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tried seeing how some service teams are

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got numerous warnings to stop charging normal prices to customers

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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I'm just glad people are starting to realize developers want hourly pay, not fixed estimates lol

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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since 50 EUR / plugin that takes 1.5 hours is too much

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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im a patron myself but i have been for a while, his discord exploded once the videos started being made

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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3-4 years ago hourly wages was barely even a thing in the MC dev community

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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i need to charge 25$ per 1.5 hours of work, 1 hour of wasting time getting info out of a client

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etc

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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people are actually doing hourly in mc now? that is news to me

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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so pretty much i don't work with them anymore

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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instead of hiring a dev if i really want a custom plugin id ust take my time to learn java

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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of course 😃

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I appreciate the fact I made you have a change of heart but if you kept going with it I would have been the one to accept what you did in a way rather than try to retaliate

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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yep

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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i want to learn it

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I appreciate the fact I made you have a change of heart but if you kept going with it I would have been the one to accept what you did in a way rather than try to retaliate

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:43 PM

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some people don't have that time though so they just pay for custom plugins

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Oh yeah i get it

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I don't have much time either rn

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I would much rather try to tackle the problem myself first though, but thats just me personally ahah

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I pay for plugins that I need atm because i like supporting devs

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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@sturdy fulcrum why would you have accepted it? speaking of retaliating, iirc I used to get a DMCA daily from one dev

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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I do have no hard feelings against you or anyone who is or who has been in the same shoes

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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but hiring a dev completely is just something idk id like to try myself first personally

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Max

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Lol

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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yeah

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every bloody day

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Made custom plugins for my server, really useful

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Hex, once you earn >2k a month off minecraft

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you kind of have to rely on others

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for advertising, plugins, etc

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:45 PM

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premium plugins can serve as a nice source of secondary income for a lot of people, imo if you have the skills you might as well dabble in it

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:45 PM

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You're going to be paying for labor of some form at that size, yes

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Most likely, any way

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Whether it's builds or development

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:45 PM

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I’m actually cool with him and we talk alot but that was the one thing we always disagree on

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:46 PM

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@green edge what about earning 2k means you need to rely on people, def spend money to make money but I'm not sure I understand why it becomes necessary

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I just hate how he has to obfuscate everything, does he not understand that obfuscation causes lag for servers

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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@stiff yarrow I was one of the first

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I wasnt saying for public releases steph

void void May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/worldborder.60905/update?update=275299
Is this still the case ?

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

WorldBorder

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about the note

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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At a certain point you need external labor to grow a Minecraft server, never seen anyone do it completely on their own.

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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since most people aren't good devs & good builders & good managers at the same time

void void May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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with paper 1.14.1

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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how does obfuscation cause lag

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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and even if you are

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time is limited

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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How does grow server?

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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@sturdy fulcrum first in what context? sorry chats going fast and I am a bit distracted

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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i also know that it costs money to do things because you have to hire other things

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Putting together plugins and relying on your community only gets you so far with growth

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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are we just talking about remapping names?

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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First to release a premium plugin on spigot

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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neato

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Not the first but close

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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just talk in irc :^) no slowmode

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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what plugin did you release premium clip?

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Uptime: 28 days, 21 hours, 51 minutes, 45 seconds
Message Handling: 2ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 6938 (8%)
Messages from Discord: 84529 (92%)

haughty mortar May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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@pulsar wigeon some obfuscation methods would use stacktraces to create strings for class names, removing the obfuscation lowered the CPU usage by like 10%

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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loser

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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WAT

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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i will not lose the ground i have made up AndGK

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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ok yive so you don't mean that obfuscation causes lag

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you mean that retardation causes lag

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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that seems like bad obfuscation

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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If you want my honest opinion though. Premium plugins broke the community when spigot became the main source for modded Minecraft

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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IRC will make a comeback

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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I think that's still technically obfuscation, even if it's retardation

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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sadly, many obfuscators have really strange methods of mangling code nowadays

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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accidentally obfuscates main source code

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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wait does spigot take a cut from premium sales

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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seems a bit dramatic to say it broke the community imo

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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it's useful if you necessarily don't want people to see what you have

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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of course it does wiz

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Because what is the intent of obfuscation? To prevent decompilation.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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It did

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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how much

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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@pulsar wigeon no they don't

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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iirc it was obfuscated by https://github.com/ItzSomebody/Radon

GitHub

ItzSomebody/Radon

A crappy Java obfuscator. Contribute to ItzSomebody/Radon development by creating an account on GitHub.

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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and you don't need large throughput / latency

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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is md5 rich af

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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kidding

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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So you end up with all kinds of obfuscation techniques that might end up affecting performance

limber knotBOT May 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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i dont know why they dont

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he*

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:50 PM

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yive that literally has the tagline "a crappy java obfuscator"

static badge May 15, 2019, 5:50 PM

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My favourite is the string obf

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:50 PM

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that text is new I think

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Premium plugins made developers greedy to a sense they were worried more about keeping their code premium rather than having a community to contribute to it. I’m definitely one who falls in that category

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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either way, obfuscation is the cancer that just keeps growing and growing in mc

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Not everyone is oss+premium

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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@sturdy fulcrum tbh those people were like thatto begin with

tardy lynx May 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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оƄϝūṣćȁԷíóղ ѕµϛҝṥ

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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premium plugins didn't change anyone, it just revealed the greedy bois

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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@spare venture they dmca'd their plugins off spigot iirc

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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how's asking for what you deserve greedyness

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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So I guess I’m greedy too

stiff yarrow May 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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@green edge not talking about that

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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the dev was here recently lol

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from songoda

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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That's like saying it's impossible to be greedy by claiming you're asking for a fair price.

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I'm going to assume they left because of the way they were treating people who left bad reviews

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:53 PM

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well, marketing a product also includes getting the ideal price up

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:53 PM

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She’s psycho

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Typical female

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:53 PM

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you won't get the best revenue by selling a chat color plugin for 20$

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:53 PM

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clip idk if she is female or not

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:53 PM

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what did she do aside attempt suicide clip?

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Wasn't she kicked or banned from here? lol

static badge May 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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not that I am aware of

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I’ve seen some crazy screenshots

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Oh okay, I thought it ended with a kick or ban

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I don’t really want to go there

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But it’s crazy

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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oh is this the dev of Epic(insertbasicfeaturehere) plugins

static badge May 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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She's not here currently though

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Didn't seem like a dev, more like a plugin slaver.

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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she'll be back if she hears we're talking tho

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:^)

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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👀

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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She has a team

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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@trim bridge get HeadDatabase

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instaed of EpicHeads

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I use it and my userrs love it

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on my creative server

green edge May 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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that's business barty

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I can't say if EpicHeads is better at the price point

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since ive never used EpicHeads

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but

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I can say HeadDatabase is really nice

void void May 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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How is latest 1.14.1 build compared to latest 1.14 build ?

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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We need an off-topic channel so we don’t flood chat when people join who actually need help or have questions with paper

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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pretty sure mythicmobs can work as an alternative

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Bosses? I never tried, but MythicMobs seems it might do that kind of thing

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I was reading people using it for that exact purpose

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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They end up here by default

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Pretty sure

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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yeah i think our SMP server uses it

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id have to ask our admin of it

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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curious how much the big players earn / pay

daring atlas May 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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1.14.1 crash thinking_gun

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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for example Hypixel, Gomme, minesuperior

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Hypixel seniors probably pulling close to or maybe even over 6 figures, I bet

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:02 PM

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yeah, pretty certain of that

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at least 60k a month

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:02 PM

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back when mineplex was at their peak, they were making 220k+ per month

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Profit or revenue?

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Diff things

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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but i guess around 80-90k depending on the player's country of origin

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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no clue, it was when their enjin leaked their monthly income

daring atlas May 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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thinking_gun

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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fernando, go to #paper-help if you need help with your crash

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were you a leaker before, Yive?

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Basically I expect them to operate just like a normal multi-million dollar US company

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:04 PM

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yeah, they do 100%

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:04 PM

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a plugin leaker

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that about it

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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im surprised enjin is still used

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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also, clip, i don't think earning off minecraft is that risky nowadays

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Yive I still have respect for you and what you have contributed to the community regardless of anything outside of that

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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the game has been rocking for years

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and while it had it's downs, it's still going well

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Maxim hates you

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Xenforo has my heart

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Lol

fresh ermine May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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even though its expensive as fuck

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Minecraft? Maybe not, but the certainty of Spigot and the greater community is probably a lot less stable

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It's essentially a business dependent on a business dependent on a business.

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 6:06 PM

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i mean, that shit happens outside of minecraft too you know

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:06 PM

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lol md_5 is on that list too

also I have no clue what I've done for this community

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not like I make PRs to paper yet

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:06 PM

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You eliminated buildtools for a while

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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What's also scary is that Spigot is almost single-handedly run by md_5, in all the ways that really matter.

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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it's definetly not as stable as mantaining a bank's IT systems

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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If you run a business that depends on that market, that should scare the shit out of you.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Mannn

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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but i've had stable revenue for a year now off for minecraft

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I hate how much of a monopoly there is

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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He simply does not delegate, or get help, or is good at interacting with people.

woven otter May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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who cares about spigot when we have papermc

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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If md_5 had a fatal accident, Spigot would be dead.

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I love him on one hand but hate him on another

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Not trying to say that he should, but that'd be the state of things.

woven otter May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

Bus factor

The bus factor is a measurement of the risk resulting from information and capabilities not being shared among team members, from the phrase "in case they get hit by a bus". It is also known as the bread truck scenario, lottery factor, truck factor, bus/truck number, or lorry...

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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doubt it

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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So if your income is based on that narrow thread, might want to consider how unstable your job security is.

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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he's an introvert

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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andrewkm used to, but not anymore when he dropped sponsoring md_5 hard

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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well, freelancing off minecraft generates a good CV

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Can’t even submit issues without risking being banned

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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so in case of anything it's not hard to get a job

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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wat

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how does one get banned for submitting an issue

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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while it's a game, minecraft gets way more interesting problems to solve than many mainstream IT jobs

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Realistically some other group, maybe even Paper, will come along and take over the work of mapping the new releases and maintaining a community, but imagine the chaos.

wide chasm May 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Ask md_5 Yive

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If your issue report does not follow the exact criteria listed in a post on his thread, you can get banned for that

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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he hates me to no end, even threatens people I know

woven otter May 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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if paper takes over spigot that would be better for the community tbh

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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paper is still a fork

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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spigot is still a fork

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😃

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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If you do not submit the issue in his format and provide enough proof up to his-standards the rules state he will ban you

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Yeah right now Paper is still a fork and depends on Spigot to do all the mapping legwork

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Don’t ask me

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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imagine the amount of plugins finally being able to natively support paper apis 😄

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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spigot is not a fork tbh

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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craftbukkit?

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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from an organization standpoint

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only from a code standpoint, since yes, it's patches on CB

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spigot controls bukkit/CB still

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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yeah, organizationally not a fork

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since paper still merges with spigot

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Who cares though right

green edge May 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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but i personally think it's useful to keep md_5 doing the major update stuff while paper can develop over that and actually improve

sturdy fulcrum May 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Spigot hardly accepts pr

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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the real way to hard fork is switch to MCP

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:^)

ornate spindle May 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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would also eliminate so many bad plugins

acoustic pilot May 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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MCP is not mapped quick enough, I don't think

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Not for Spigot-style releases

pulsar wigeon May 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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switch to yarn?