general

[pulsar wigeon]

:^)

i mean

[ornate spindle]

isn't yarn built on top of mcp

[pulsar wigeon]

to be fair, srg names are pretty much generated

no

[sturdy fulcrum]

I would have contributed to spigot bug reports and also pr but no point since going out of my way is a potential ban

[pulsar wigeon]

afaik

[wide chasm]

I wouldn't mind waiting longer if we then get MCP's mappings tbh.

[static badge]

tbh could probably still use mcp, just have to use less initially and update more often

[green edge]

MCP would be fine for experienced developers

but i doubt the average joe who just switched from skript would want that

[pulsar wigeon]

yea the main thing is that spigot mapping are only deobf'd essentially for the fields/methods actually used by spigot

[static badge]

Do some whack plugin remapping too

[green edge]

do you know Java?

that's fine

find projects to do

to simplify your work

that's how i convinced myself to learn

[ornate spindle]

I could see MCP mappings work, but we would likely see up to R4.0 per version maybe assuming that previous version's mapping are used until the official version's mappings are released and updated

[tardy lynx]

Start with basic function

[sturdy fulcrum]

@meager perch let me get u a link

[green edge]

1.5 years of development since and i'm pretty good with it

[tardy lynx]

For me it was letting 2 people trade with the same villager at the same time

[limber knot]

Doesn't forge basically allow plugins to remap against de-obf'd fields at compile time?

[ornate spindle]

I started java back in august, still no clue what I am doing

[woven otter]

yeah it does.

[wide chasm]

For me it's probably been four years now

[green edge]

how much do you code a day (average) Yive?

[ornate spindle]

I don't have a set amount, some days I do 15 hours, some I might do 10 minutes

[green edge]

average a day i mean

for example i coded for an average of 1.5 hours a day

[ornate spindle]

this week my daily avg is 2 hours

[pulsar wigeon]

i code from 9-5 :^)

so on average like 15 mins a day

[acoustic pilot]

how much time do you code in your head tho

i'd say design think is probably a significant chunk of my "code" time

[sturdy fulcrum]

@meager perch since you know the basics here is a good list to accomplish on your own

https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/Challenges

[wide chasm]

I code surprisingly little in my head, I usually have a device near me where I can just grab the source on GitHub and then be "oh, just need to change that".

[acoustic pilot]

Some times I spend hours walking around my room (it's pretty big) thinking about how to code something

[ornate spindle]

I do that in my sleep

the solution never works :/

[wide chasm]

I'm assuming code quality goes up with that, cause I'm usually like "this should be fine" and just do that

[green edge]

sleepwalking?

[acoustic pilot]

I dunno if it's code quality, but it def makes it easier to put pen to paper. Things just flow easier, you know how things should be wired up because you already thought about it ahead of time.

It's basically just planning.

[sturdy fulcrum]

Have you ever wrote java on paper

[wide chasm]

How often do you do those larger things, though? Cause for me, I usually don't add more than a class per commit.

[sturdy fulcrum]

Doesn’t compile worth shit

[wide chasm]

I assume you don't walk around your room for hours for a five line bug fix

[acoustic pilot]

no lol

Just thinking of moderate to large features to add

[acoustic pilot]

If it's something computationally intensive, I might put a lot of thought first into how it can be done efficiently

[green edge]

since i usually start projects that are slightly over my already finished projects, i don't really plan so much

[acoustic pilot]

And that would be done in my head, maybe even for hours, before it's put into code

[green edge]

i do a simple schematic for most projects, and if it's a complex project i think while going to / from school

good way to use time that would else be wasted

[wide chasm]

Oh, you actually do efficiency first. For me it has always been waiting for people to complain, then trying to lower the time complexity.

[green edge]

D: that's not good

[wide chasm]

I know

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah I don't micro optimize but I am efficiency-aware

[sturdy fulcrum]

I just do me

[green edge]

i usually choose depending on the thing i'm coding and the reward i get

if it's a important project / i get payed big

i optimize a lot

if it's not a important project / i get payed a small amount i don't really bother

since paid price often scales up with project size

so for example a server that pays a lot will get many players and will need HQ plugin quality

servers that can't afford a 50 EUR plugin usually don't get more than 50 players

[sturdy fulcrum]

Sad you treat your kids like that daddy

[pulsar wigeon]

what did you do to your table clip (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sturdy fulcrum]

Oh snap

I tossed it as of now

[ornate spindle]

the only thing I do is optimisation, I rarely get to work on new content 😦

[normal echo]

😮

[stiff yarrow]

#notablezone

[green edge]

code efficiently from the get-go yive

[sturdy fulcrum]

Welcome @sturdy fulcrum

[woven otter]

not table

[green edge]

not necessarily micro-optimize but keep performance in mind

[sturdy fulcrum]

We all try to...

[woven otter]

they have no table

[ornate spindle]

we're devs who code off the floor

[sturdy fulcrum]

We eat on the floor

[woven otter]

they live in 2150

[fast tree]

Would this be a good place to ask about a plugin...? Whether something I want would be possible..?

[sturdy fulcrum]

And if we have carpet we don’t vacuum

[green edge]

in Romania programming exams are done on paper

virologic, here or maybe paper-dev

[woven otter]

their things are levitated in mid-air

[green edge]

in Romania, parliament passed a law making corruption legal

beat that 😃

bingo

a party president is being investigated for using child protection money for paying 2 party secretaries

[sturdy fulcrum]

North Korea can’t even handle Minecraft classic revamp

What are the server specs

[tardy lynx]

oof what if there was a program that pregenned minecraft chunks

like a separate program

[sturdy fulcrum]

I’m still on 1.8 so idk

[green edge]

you kind of cannot do that without recreating the generation algorithm

which would still mean lag

[void void]

intel i8

wut

but also

1.14 is certainly the problem

[finite wave]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/how-would-i-get-location-of-a-player.373017/#post-3401140

[void void]

chunkgen is so bad in it lmao

the funny thing is

i had a modded 1.12 ftb revelation server

[finite wave]

ikr, I just really, really don't understand java even if I understands C++ and C#.
just a lot of error writing Java :(

#8
barrychen0507, Today at 7:05 PM

[void void]

it had better chunkgen lag than 1.14 lmao

IT LITTERALLY DID

it was so ufnny

[green edge]

damn how much i hate that i don't need dedicated servers

tell me what you think about the price

https://sfy.cx/ss/u/87bc.png

[void void]

where that from

see

the 1700x is good

but i dont think its single threaded is

and isnt server hosting mostly single-thread performance based?

[green edge]

it has good singlethread power

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+PRO+1700X&id=3033

not instant DDOS mitigation though which makes it less useful for me

[void void]

oh yeah i just checked its single thread is fairly comparable to a 6700k

the pricing on that seems pretty good then

but im not sure

ask around more lol

[green edge]

not really useful for me

[green edge]

thought about starting a hosting company in the future

but i don't have experience in doing it and still have 2 years until i can legally start a business

why not

who says i need to sell hardware

i can earn due to better software

[void void]

where does mc news get posted nowadays? and is there an RSS feed (pls god)

otherwise my stupid ass wont follow up enough on it

nope no rss

😦

[green edge]

for example sell more software presets

sell docker containers with ssh, and 5 ports

etc

[void void]

lmao

dead

if only i did that back in like 2013

is chunk loading better in 1.14.1?

im using 1.14 atm and the nether freezes

yes compared to 1.14

but

but any other major stuff

theres also issues with redstone

what other issues do u have

observers dont work properly, other than that everything works for me better on spigot 1.14.1 than 1.14

however

if its a public server

theres a crash bug lmao

we are just 4 ppl so

well max 6

and thats vanilla

well if everyone is good, and noone plans to use observers for a bit id say make the switch

well the thing is

observers work

but they are weird

but then 1.14.2 is in like 2 weeks or something

yeah

i updated to 1.14.1, because the world gen that you make in 1.14 is supposedly worse to load?

idk something ab the old chunk gen being worse

than 1.14.1

did u do a forceupgrade?

and also im gonna update to 1.14.2 when it comes out

see i use a hoster

so i just ran a new build of the new version of spigot

and then uploaded the files

[fast tree]

@spare venture Why..?

[void void]

u said spigot performed better atm?

and overwrote the old ones

yes

or is that controversial to say here

xD

spigot 1.14.1 performs better than spigot 1.14 for me

[fast tree]

@spare venture ..paying for hosting..

[void void]

with nothing else changed same plugins and all i get better tps, and faster loading new chunks

thats nice

wat @fast tree

what was that crash bug?

but its not that 1.14.1 is good, its that 1.14 is ungodly bad

its a bug with villagers, where u intentionally put them in water and break and replace their job thing

and it has a small chance to crash the server

u have to do it intenionally

so if ur friends with everyone it should be fine

ye its a close community

also there is a dupe glitch, but im not sure if it was in regular 1.14 or not

[brazen adder]

anyone else sick of mojang's incompetence? i mean they must have not even tested 1.14? i rather have less updates.. that work

[void void]

i think its been here since 1.13.2 lol

the problem is microsoft is rushing the updates

im not going to cuz i know everyone on the server

[fast tree]

I pay for hosting, but no way $40 a month on Server Pro!

[void void]

i pay 10 a month for 4 gigs of ram

unlimited nvme storage, 25gb backup limit

im not sure the cpu id have to check

[brazen adder]

i do this as a hobby, the little donations we get entirely pay for it. everyone here just to scam kids out of money?

[void void]

me too

infact im scamming u right now lemonade

[brazen adder]

ok now i know again why i avoid random public chats

[void void]

why

because people like to have fun here and u dont lmao

[brazen adder]

lol

sure buddy

best to you too

❤

[fast tree]

I pay $12 a month but I only started the server as a technical exercise to learn about it

[void void]

he acts like we are selling servers lmao

[brazen adder]

no.. it was a question

but alright

[green edge]

considering how much work gets into minecraft, again, i see it fine for people to ask money for it

[void void]

yeah everyone does stef

[golden gust]

Shared hosting does make sense for smaller servers, not everybody needs to or wants to learn how to use ssh and other tools to be able to host some shindig for their mates

[void void]

it cant be free thats not how money works lol

[austere ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ2rKpbLQmA

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Client side lagfest using bad gamedesign - length 2m 47s - 197 likes, 2 dislikes (99.0%) - 1,846 views - MethodZz on 2019.05.05

[acoustic pilot]

You'd be better in the long term to learn those things, though

[void void]

like some hosts use that to draw people in

[austere ivy]

Heavily, yikes.

[green edge]

you can technically sell containers via pterodactyl

[austere ivy]

50% of game tick on villager push.

[golden gust]

True, but that doesn't really apply to just people using shared hosts either

[austere ivy]

Looking up, seems like Barty's said the r word about once, seems like a calm discussion.

So what's going on?

[void void]

lol he called him that because he said he scammed kids

[austere ivy]

https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/578295471286517763

[golden gust]

I mean, the whole hosting market is janky

[austere ivy]

Stop saying I'm baiting, barty.

[void void]

its okay bart i love a good bait

[austere ivy]

I'm not baiting. I'm pointing out that barty said the r word once.

That's not bait.

[wide chasm]

The r word?

[acoustic pilot]

Brian is the master baiter

[golden gust]

It's pretty easy for some kids to shove together whmcs and some control panel and host it without having any form of experience whatosever

[brazen adder]

you guys sure are something

[austere ivy]

No I didn't.

I don't like talking to you.

[golden gust]

Number of times I see people here having issues with hosting providers where the issues are quite simply "useless sysadmin"

[brazen adder]

lol

[austere ivy]

I was pointing it out to everyone else as a remark. I'm not baiting >_>

[acoustic pilot]

Sounds like half of Pterodactyl users, just set up WHCMS + Ptero and resell OVH lol

[void void]

electron

my last hoster

[austere ivy]

Ditto.

[void void]

said that the crashes were caused by 1.14

when it was the server client shutting down for ram instead of limiting it lmao

[brazen adder]

i had no clue what i was doing when i started for the first time. 6 months ago. the host i had gave me a lot of help and ive never had downtime. i basically just have to put in plugins and it works. im not complaining. my host is great even tho it isnt the cheapest

[golden gust]

and pteros default of having the OOM killer enabled 👌

[void void]

It was a ptero client server lol

the one im on now is a lot less scummy

[brazen adder]

am i allowed to name my host?

[austere ivy]

Ye.

[golden gust]

Yea 🤷

[sturdy fulcrum]

No table

[austere ivy]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[golden gust]

So long as something isn't blatent advertising, we kinda don't care

[void void]

LMAO

UNLIMITED RAM

[austere ivy]

Test that.

[brazen adder]

i use cubedhost. have 0 issues with them. 25 eu per month for 4gb ram

[void void]

SOMEONE PLEASE TEST THAT LMAO

[austere ivy]

Pretty sure someone tested it on another host.

[austere ivy]

They got to 32gb before it crashed.

[brazen adder]

lmao

[austere ivy]

So I'm gonna guess around 32gb.

[limber knot]

32gb is pretty good though

[void void]

jesus chirst

my host is 10 for 4 and like 15-20 for 8

[austere ivy]

Put a bitcoin mining plugin on there >_>

[green edge]

most people go with hosts for their software

their panel, their support, etc

[limber knot]

mining bitcoin with ram

wat

[brazen adder]

lol

[green edge]

i hate when people think the only way of earning off hosting is to have lower prices for the hardware

[austere ivy]

Well they said unlimited player slots.

[void void]

theres another cryptocurrency

that can mine with hard drive space

[austere ivy]

If it can hold 100000 players, surely it can mine some bitcoin?

[green edge]

which is not only false, but also a good way to throw money in the bin

[void void]

and therefor probably ram too

[fast tree]

@brazen adder I use them too. I worked out how to set it up myself but they were good at sorting out the one issue I had.

[void void]

^

[austere ivy]

Yeah I know it's just silly.

[void void]

You cant run at unlimited lol

[brazen adder]

yeah they give quick support. and are really friendly

[void void]

mine can support more than 10

[limber knot]

@a​uc​la​ma​o these are "currencies" that depend on you earning money by hosting other people's data for months

[brazen adder]

they asked me for my mothers maiden name the other day

[void void]

probably lmao

thats really smart

[limber knot]

I mean sure you can make some good buck if you find a way to host terrabytes for cheap/free but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void void]

for them

[brazen adder]

im joking

[finite wave]

There were some cryptocurrency you mined by lending out space

[brazen adder]

i see

[austere ivy]

I think of all those chinese bitcoin mining farm.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars in mining cards.

[brazen adder]

thats why dropbox wants me to get more space!

[austere ivy]

Wasted.

[brazen adder]

cryptocurrency

damned google

[green edge]

crypto is a smart idea

it's just that people don't want to use the idea properly

[limber knot]

yeah

[green edge]

a currency that is only used for investment is not really a currency

[austere ivy]

taken from https://micky.com.au/china-bitcoin-mining-ban-could-send-crypto-prices-soaring/

[limber knot]

tbh asic-resistant algorithms seem to be a lot smarter than what is bitcoin doing right now

[green edge]

OVH is hosting in literal shipping containers

=]

[sturdy fulcrum]

Anyone have a server I can test some plugins on

[void void]

clip

[limber knot]

well I regularly buy stuff with bitcoin so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void void]

if u host a server on ur pc

[limber knot]

e.g. my domains are paid with bitcoinx D

[void void]

u can connect with 0.0.0.0

[sturdy fulcrum]

I’m running windows xp

[brazen adder]

lol

[void void]

jesus christ lmao

[brazen adder]

im on windows 7

[sturdy fulcrum]

It runs good

Aside from Minecraft

[green edge]

guess that's a joke

[austere ivy]

Best I could offer you is running it on my 2012 Macbook, lol.

[void void]

hes running a core 2 duo lmao

[sturdy fulcrum]

Send me an ip and op

I’ll join rn

[austere ivy]

Current one is a 2010 Macbook

I can remote into my one at home which is 2012

[void void]

ooh tehbrian finna have clips ip lmao

[sturdy fulcrum]

I get like 10fps is that good

[austere ivy]

Oh, clip

I forgot to send you a picture of my hamburger

here.

(if it'll ever send)

[sturdy fulcrum]

Want a pic of mine

[austere ivy]

(maybe not.)

[brazen adder]

so everyone here owns a mc server? pretty cool to think about

[void void]

probably

or at least admins on one

[austere ivy]

Still "sending"

I own one.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal jasper]

(Tab reborn)

Fixed issue with paperspigot 1.14.1 which completely changed field type in a nms class for some reason```
It's almoat like NMS is prone to break / change at any time and shouldn't be fucked with when not necessary.

[ornate spindle]

I don't own one

[limber knot]

@vestal jasper [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[brazen adder]

we are like gods

[void void]

yeah but yives different

[austere ivy]

Yive admins for MS though.

Heey that looks good.

[sturdy fulcrum]

That’s a real burger bro

[void void]

yive too cool

[austere ivy]

Yeah that is.

That looks good.

[void void]

im gonna pee on it

[brazen adder]

i just ate so not to me

ew..

[void void]

hey

dont shame me

[brazen adder]

i accept you

i gues

[sturdy fulcrum]

#vegan life

[austere ivy]

Still waiting for it to send >_>

[sturdy fulcrum]

Send me a server to play on

And version

Since I know that’s a big issue these days

[austere ivy]

Did you juST ASSUME MY SERVER'S VERSION

/s

[void void]

hey chat

paper vs spigot for 1.14.1 currently

[sturdy fulcrum]

I want to chop some wood and bust down some bricks like an OG

[austere ivy]

I think you're going to get some biased answers here.

[void void]

see im slightly biased tho too

because i want to switch to paper really bad lmao

[green edge]

slap the first dns from .org in and play

[finite wave]

1.14.1 is messed up at both versions atm so no one is recommended @void void

[void void]

oof

okay

[austere ivy]

Stay far away from 1.14

Villager push takes up 50% of a tick in some farm..

[void void]

im on spigot 1.14.1 because i have backups every 2 hours and i live life on the edge

[austere ivy]

not.. optimal..

[finite wave]

Feel free to use Paper then

[void void]

suprisingly i havent had any issues, but i didnt on 1.14 either so im the lucky few

[sturdy fulcrum]

I don’t have time to wait til 2020

[void void]

is paper roughly as stable as spigot rn

[finite wave]

Should be

[ornate spindle]

I wonder if 1.16 or 1.17 will even compare to the performance of 1.12

[finite wave]

Not even close Yive

[sturdy fulcrum]

I’ll just get a realm

[void void]

LMAO

[sturdy fulcrum]

Anyone want to play

[austere ivy]

Henry wait!

I can save you!

[void void]

yes

i actually do want to play

[austere ivy]

Don't use 1.14!

I'll play though >_>

[void void]

i enjoy survival

[sturdy fulcrum]

How much is it

[austere ivy]

Give me a moment and I can start up a server for you though.

[void void]

wait

or is it creative

[austere ivy]

It's too expensive.

[void void]

i could do creative oto

realms are a little pricey for what you get lol

[austere ivy]

You're just going to have to imagine a good server.

[worn ember]

Oy clip's here too lul

[void void]

HOLY SHIT BART

what are u on

oh

[sturdy fulcrum]

Should I just load paper on one of the 5 vps I pay for but just sit every month for the past year

[void void]

i learned how to read

[wooden juniper]

barty what the fuck LOL

@sturdy fulcrum that's how I'll feel

[worn ember]

@sturdy fulcrum can i use one for a seedbox?

[wooden juniper]

after renting a server with an i9

[austere ivy]

HAH.

[void void]

lmao me

[austere ivy]

With my master hacking skills, I've gotten clip's IP!

[void void]

jk

[sturdy fulcrum]

Dark yes since I know u

[austere ivy]

Go to hack town to: 127.0.0.1

[void void]

OOOH

[austere ivy]

Mwuahah! >:D

[void void]

YEHBRIAN

[sturdy fulcrum]

Dm me if I need one

[void void]

dm me if i need one

[sturdy fulcrum]

I literally pay for these for no reason

[void void]

bet

[worn ember]

lol i bought a vps with 25gb disk space but i already ran out lmao

[ornate spindle]

clip do you still play on steven's server?

[wooden juniper]

what

[finite wave]

@stiff yarrow Brians baiting again

[wooden juniper]

i mean, my 20gb cloud vps is dying when running jenkins

[sturdy fulcrum]

Yes

[wooden juniper]

[sturdy fulcrum]

And yes

[void void]

oof

[austere ivy]

It's called sarcasm.

[worn ember]

@sturdy fulcrum i honestly cant tell if you're being serious or not lmao

[austere ivy]

whoops, dropped this: /s

[sturdy fulcrum]

I’m fr

[upper flicker]

my feelings mirror that of tux's re: the dumbass tab plugin

https://i.imgur.com/FajsvKz.png

[pulsar wigeon]

is brian baiting again

[ornate spindle]

idk how you can play mc

[worn ember]

what distro is it running?

[austere ivy]

No.

._.

Z7 what's wrong with TAB?

[void void]

z7

what wrong with tab

[sturdy fulcrum]

Well I’m not handing it off with anything I have going on so u name it

[pulsar wigeon]

it's doing retarded shit with internals of course

[sturdy fulcrum]

Fresh install

[void void]

oh hell yeah

[upper flicker]

well it says right fucking there

[void void]

wow

[upper flicker]

so idk what extra explanation youre after

[pulsar wigeon]

literally read it

[ornate spindle]

tbh I prefer TAB over NametagEdit

[worn ember]

well i've been using debian minimal install on my vps, seems to work nicely

[austere ivy]

I use the tab reborn, is that the same kinda thing?

What's DataWatcher anyway, too?

[pulsar wigeon]

watches data

[acoustic pilot]

it watches data

[green edge]

debian minimal is my favourite

[pulsar wigeon]

[austere ivy]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/tab-1-8-x-1-14-1-reborn.57806/updates

[sturdy fulcrum]

Why u need one if u already have one

[green edge]

i'd try alpine since it's really minimal

[austere ivy]

This one? I just got an update for it so I'm gonna update it on my server..

[worn ember]

cuz it only has 25gb of disk space, not very useful for a seedbox

[wooden juniper]

just rent a storage vps?

if u wanna seedbox, invest in it

[worn ember]

u wot

[acoustic pilot]

Kimsufi KS-1 makes a great seedbox

[sturdy fulcrum]

This is only a ssd2 from ovh

[acoustic pilot]

Might be a bit too pricey though

[wooden juniper]

https://safe.maxi.cx/fqgyZjCtewJk.png

actually fuck that

overpriced

lo

[worn ember]

well i didnt tink of using it as a seedbox initially

[limber knot]

wtf

[worn ember]

it just kinda happend

[void void]

lmao

cant u uh

[austere ivy]

Still need that server, clip?

[void void]

just buy 2 gigs for 60 bucks lmao

[limber knot]

kimsufi KS-4 costs 1/4 of that

[void void]

2 terabytes

[sturdy fulcrum]

Dude I want to play Minecraft

[green edge]

people actually buy it

[void void]

lmao not gigs

[green edge]

😃

[wooden juniper]

kimsufi

[green edge]

zombsroyale.io

in the browser

[worn ember]

2 giwgs of dedikaded wam

[sturdy fulcrum]

Btw I pay yearly so I have been stuck with these

Had plans but got side tracked

[wooden juniper]

I would go for a kimsufi server for handling my osu beatmaps

but eh

100mbps only

[sturdy fulcrum]

They just sit

[worn ember]

100mbps is pretty solid it though?

[ornate spindle]

that reminds me of basically every project of mine

[worn ember]

thats like 12mb/s

[austere ivy]

What kind, clip?

[acoustic pilot]

for seedbox 100mbps is more than enough yes

[wooden juniper]

100mbps isn't solid when about 200-400 people download files constantly

not running a seedbox btw

[acoustic pilot]

depends what you're trying to do

[wooden juniper]

literally just serving osu beatmaps

[sturdy fulcrum]

Just a vps

[austere ivy]

creative, survival, minigame '-'

[worn ember]

fair enough

ive never made anything that uses more than that hah

sad face

[acoustic pilot]

OVH doesn't response to DMCAs

[pulsar wigeon]

wait what

[green edge]

or run it on your home server

😃

[merry talon]

why would that matter for osu lol

[acoustic pilot]

they dont.

[worn ember]

doesnt response

[ornate spindle]

thought they did

[pulsar wigeon]

because beatmaps contain copyrighted music

[merry talon]

oh

[vestal jasper]

TAB updated and complained about paper touching NMS

Fixed issue with paperspigot 1.14.1 which completely changed field type in a nms class for some reason

[limber knot]

@vestal jasper [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[pulsar wigeon]

they get taken off ppy a lot, so there's mirrors for them

[worn ember]

i have like 5-6 series on my vps now lul

[acoustic pilot]

OVH and their subsidiaries are a popular seedbox provider

As in lots of people hosting seedboxes there

[wooden juniper]

you want a non-dmca server?

https://cockbox.org/

[merry talon]

I can vouch for frantech/buyVM too

[austere ivy]

Vic you just stole what I was gonna say >:(

[pulsar wigeon]

the beatmaps are still tracked on the official server, but you can't download them

[gloomy sphinx]

don't use a vps or dedicated server you need a server from the cloud

[worn ember]

cloud?

blockchain you mean

[wooden juniper]

also, @pulsar wigeon

my mirror doesn't exist for the copyrighted maps

it's for serving the maps to osu!direct for like 5.. or so? private servers

[acoustic pilot]

OVH hardware is great if you need a cheap Plex set up too 😃

[austere ivy]

Plexadoodle

[acoustic pilot]

Or SYS or Kimsufi, depending on how many transcodes you need

[worn ember]

i pay like 4euro for my vps lul

[pulsar wigeon]

private osu servers LUL

[austere ivy]

My favorite dog breed

[merry talon]

they give you like no disk though

oh

I thought you meant their VPSes

[ornate spindle]

what is the point of a remote plex server?

(never used plex before)

[worn ember]

flexing

[limber knot]

paying more than $2/mo for a vps

[worn ember]

:((((

[golden gust]

plex lets you stream between devices

[austere ivy]

It's just Netflix.

for PIRATES

yar har diddly dee

[worn ember]

@golden gust i replied to your post on on my spigot profile from over a year ago lmao, i never saw you replied

[acoustic pilot]

remote plex would be good for sharing with friends and family or streaming to mobile while on the go

[golden gust]

People generally use a remote plex server so that they can setup automatic downloading of new shows and stuff on their release

[merry talon]

and transcoding

[static badge]

and pirating

[austere ivy]

No actually some people do use legit bought stuff on their Plex.

[worn ember]

they dumb

[merry talon]

brian baiting again

[golden gust]

Yea, transcoding is nice af too, can stream onto stupid devices like the xbox without any issues

[ornate spindle]

huh I probably should look into plex

[austere ivy]

Sweepy, I'm not baiting. I forget who it was but someone did.

[golden gust]

(Assuming your server is decent enough to deal with what you're throwing at it)

[worn ember]

my friend has a hacked satellite decoder lul

free channels

[gloomy sphinx]

I have one

[wooden juniper]

sounds like what my parents did back in 2009

[austere ivy]

I'm starting to think everyone's baiting me to think I'm baiting

[merry talon]

I don't need to do any transcoding, so I run it on my buyvm box which is nice because their block storage is top notch and cheap

[wooden juniper]

back when premiere was a thing before it got bought by sky

i kinda wanna go full brain, get an anycast IP and host a decentralized beatmap mirror

[cosmic raft]

"intel inside" -> "everybody inside since we have so many vulnerabilities"

[austere ivy]

@sturdy fulcrum want that test server still? I can PM you the IP.

[merry talon]

you could use ipfs for that lol

[austere ivy]

or if you've got it figured out already I can just stop it.

[wooden juniper]

[merry talon]

or just

use a cheap cdn

[wooden juniper]

how would I use ipfs if the osu servers just take one IP/domain for the mirror

d

🗿

[merry talon]

oh well I dunno what they want

how much bandwidth are you using monthly

[wooden juniper]

1-2TB

lo

[cosmic raft]

anybody want to play with meee?

https://skribbl.io/?g0ea5n6UU6

[golden gust]

IPFS has http gateways

So, you'd probably go that route

[cosmic raft]

@merry talon @austere ivy see link if you want to join

[wooden juniper]

never got into ipfs

eee

[merry talon]

just got out of the shower

a mirror I had was serving like 600GB a day at one point

I ended up using bunnycdn

[cosmic raft]

starting in 1 minute

if anyone else wants to join

[gloomy sphinx]

wonder if mobile works

[cosmic raft]

here we go

[merry talon]

@wooden juniper

then just put them in object storage

bob's your uncle

[austere ivy]

yeehaw I wanna join

it's loading, kash

[gloomy sphinx]

mobile does not work well

[wooden juniper]

in terms of a cdn im really lacking brain cells

[merry talon]

well it's just anycast like you said earlier

and you give it an origin to pull from

[wooden juniper]

but how would it work?
my current mirror runs as a go binary and the maps are stored on my server

and the go binary also serves the files

so it's needed

[merry talon]

just set your server as the origin then

[wooden juniper]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[worn ember]

if i want a subdomain pointing to a specific ip+port do i just use SRV records?

[wooden juniper]

you need an A record

on the IP first

and then SRV on the a record + port

[worn ember]

gotcha

[merry talon]

what does the binary do?

you can't just serve files from a web server?

[wooden juniper]

nope

so

[golden gust]

some weird protocol or?

[wooden juniper]

the binary downloads maps from osu! itself, stores them in a binary db and a subdir and once a request comes in on port XYZ the binary serves the file

to the client

might aswell just link the source, gl reading golang http://github.com/osuripple/cheesegull

[merry talon]

so they're not cacheable

oh I see

[pulsar wigeon]

(Takeaway: the osu! API is completely shit). LUL

[wooden juniper]

lmao

[limber knot]

1.14.1 a bit smoother. Worth compiling?

from yesterday that is?

[pulsar wigeon]

man i haven't touched osu in ages tbh

[merry talon]

it does look cacheable

[pulsar wigeon]

why would you use a version from yesterday if there's new versions today??

[wooden juniper]

just self-host a "CDN" by renting servers all across the world

[limber knot]

I just did a pull

[wooden juniper]

and just revproxying everything

based on region

[limber knot]

wizjany was wondering if things are smoother today then yesterday. Thought I could save five min of compiling.

[merry talon]

the readme doesn't do a great job explaining what this does to someone with no knowledge of osu lul

or I'm just stupid

but if it keeps its own cache already

I dont see why you couldn't use a cdn cache

[wooden juniper]

the question is

how would the binary serve a file that's not in that specific subdir

it needs the file in there

[limber knot]

[INFO] Building Paperclip 1.1-SNAPSHOT ?

1.1?

[merry talon]

you keep that all the same

[stiff yarrow]

just compile it, 5 mins is nothing

[limber knot]

w/e Ill test it out

[merry talon]

you just point a cdn at it and have people pull from that instead of directly from your server

[limber knot]

[INFO] BUILD SUCCESS

[wooden juniper]

my brain rn:

[merry talon]

instead of osu -> cheesegull -> user it's osu -> cheesegull -> cdn (cache) -> user

[limber knot]

scp paperclip.jar nerds@192.168.1.250:/home/diefaggots/paper ... and see what happens now.

[merry talon]

I might be missing something so 🤷

[wooden juniper]

yeah you're like

idk

cheesegull has to be the middleman between osu! <-> user

atleast I assume so

[merry talon]

It still would be, just with another caching layer

and from what I'm seeing the responses are indeed cacheable

[wooden juniper]

but how would you transmit the entire data to the cdn

and like

??_ ? ;_;

im probably just confusing myself

at this point

[merry talon]

when the user requests it, the cdn proxies the request directly to your server

and then saves the response it and sends it back to the user

then next time they request it they'll get the response without needing your server

[worn ember]

when you too tired to remember full domains so you just make sub domains for everything 🤔

[wooden juniper]

aaaaaaaaaa

[ornate spindle]

I wonder when there will be an exclusive channel for the no table group

[merry talon]

wtf when did that change

from notable

[ornate spindle]

a month or so ago

[merry talon]

why

[ornate spindle]

think it was an april fools thing

[merry talon]

i blame spot

[wooden juniper]

sweepy

where are you from?

[merry talon]

canada

[worn ember]

how is no table funny 🤔 did they drop it or something? 🥁

[merry talon]

whoosh

[worn ember]

wooow

lmao

derp

[tardy lynx]

compsci exam tomorrow

[wide hazel]

Say cheeeeeeeeeeeeeez

[merry talon]

@wooden juniper with buyvm you wouldn't get their storage servers like in https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/578301571725787164

their block storage is $5/tb

you just attach that to a slice

I think he's actually getting rid of those

[cosmic raft]

getting rid of what?

[merry talon]

the storage line

[cosmic raft]

makes sense

[merry talon]

yup

[gloomy sphinx]

still beat kashike

[merry talon]

what kind of keyboard

[gloomy sphinx]

swiftkey

[austere ivy]

https://skribbl.io/?g0ea5n6UU6

skribbl

\o/

[carmine hinge]

mfw kotlin misinterprets @NotNull to mean all individual elements are not null

for an array

anyone know how to fix that?

[static badge]

move the annotation

[carmine hinge]

its in bukkit api

[cosmic raft]

Bukkit's fault

[carmine hinge]

    /**
     * Get the contents of the crafting matrix.
     *
     * @return The contents. Individual entries may be null.
     */
    @NotNull
    ItemStack[] getMatrix();

[cosmic raft]

Should be ItemStack@NotNull[]

[carmine hinge]

Dang

[static badge]

yeah

the annotation applies to the itemstack

and not the array

[finite wave]

^

[carmine hinge]

F

[static badge]

report it to md69

[carmine hinge]

ehhhh

[static badge]

we're not fixing that trash

unless md69 refuses

[carmine hinge]

where do I report it

[upper flicker]

that really is some cancerous annotation design

[finite wave]

If you are afraid of being banned ask on the forums for a fix first*

[static badge]

their bugtracker

[upper flicker]

Im sure md will have a good rant about that

[static badge]

if you feel lazy try irc first

[austere ivy]

listen up

[merry talon]

kotlin is cancerous design

[finite wave]

Not realy

[static badge]

true stories

[austere ivy]

join the skrillb

or else

[stiff yarrow]

daily brian lore

[finite wave]

Kotlin is quite intuitive

[static badge]

kotlin gives everyone cancer

[finite wave]

Adverisements @stiff yarrow

[merry talon]

makes blowing your brains out pretty intuitive yeah

[finite wave]

Scala > Kotlin

[stiff yarrow]

what's so good about scala

[finite wave]

It’s based off of Pizza

[stiff yarrow]

[finite wave]

I know second best lang to Taco

[carmine hinge]

these annotations keep breaking kotlin 😠

cant do meta.color =

need to do meta.setColor

worked fine before

[finite wave]

But in all honesty i like how it is a mix of functional and object oriented programming.

[carmine hinge]

oh my god all of my inventory stuff is hurt by this

[stiff yarrow]

haven't tried it, all that awaits me is D

[finite wave]

It also has constructs reminding me a little of haskell*

Never done any D

[carmine hinge]

please no D:

[stiff yarrow]

I haven't done any D yet either, but its the next lang I wanna mess around with when I find some free time

[merry talon]

?: return@sync

wtf is that

[finite wave]

I’ve got a lot of free time i’m just lazy as ruck

If it’s null return@sync

[carmine hinge]

in java it's just return

you cant tell what its returning to

😛

[finite wave]

It returns at specific point in a probable nested scopes

[void void]

https://tenor.com/view/duh-gif-7694812

[austere ivy]

https://skribbl.io/?g0ea5n6UU6

owo

[finite wave]

@stiff yarrow the guy is here again

[austere ivy]

Why do you keep pinging nossr

[void void]

hey is anyone running essentials x on spigot 1.14

and if someone is

then what?

:p

you dont wanna know shlurp

alright

jk im seeing if it works

why don't you try it yourself?

i am currently in the process, but if someone already knows that would be quicker 😃

well it works

Alright thanks friend

but does not support 1.14+ fully

e.g enchants and items

im gonna disable most of it anyway

just using it for tpa, sethome and the likes

[merry talon]

@stiff yarrow d looks gross

learn crystal

[void void]

@meager perch you can't iirc

well definitely you can't, because skin data is inside "textures" key of game profile

and value is signed

tl;dr you can change only both

[gloomy sphinx]

[indigo hearth]

fixed the promo art

[static badge]

mfw

[upper flicker]

just link the video of their trailer vs reality

that about covers it

[gloomy sphinx]

the trailer has a blue Redstone dust!!!!

whyyy

[upper flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TrR9ImpiNo

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Minecraft 1.14 -Trailer Vs Reality - length 32s - 5,124 likes, 148 dislikes (97.2%) - 65,783 views - MarcusKron on 2019.04.27

[indigo hearth]

t🅱 s 8

[stiff yarrow]

oh yeah did Mojang release that tease yet

[carmine hinge]

why did they remove everything useful from DaylightDetector

package org.bukkit.block;

/**
 * Represents a captured state of a (possibly inverted) daylight detector.
 */
public interface DaylightDetector extends TileState { }

is this a joke

tell me this is a joke

[stiff yarrow]

were me and brian the only ones who loaded up the anniversary map

[carmine hinge]

what

[gloomy sphinx]

how does 91 people understand this guy

[carmine hinge]

is this

where is all the useful information

???

how do I check if it's inverted

how do I get the power

there is no more block data byte

and there is only 1 material

[upper flicker]

thats not what mine looks like

public interface DaylightDetector extends AnaloguePowerable {

[carmine hinge]

ohh

im casting it to org.bukkit.block.DaylightDetector

[static badge]

public interface DaylightDetector extends AnaloguePowerable {
    boolean isInverted();

    void setInverted(boolean var1);
}

[upper flicker]

isInverted() setInverted(bool)

[carmine hinge]

instead of the other one

[static badge]

z ur late

[carmine hinge]

why do they still have org.bukkit.block

[static badge]

legacy retardation

[ancient bolt]

wow ur dum

[carmine hinge]

so I am ¯_(ツ)_/¯

@static badge they broke everything with legacy code anyway

why not just remove it altogehter

[ancient bolt]

md doesn't understand how to maintain legacy code or properly do deprecation

[static badge]

idk does it look like I made the update

[ancient bolt]

just don't think about it and it makes it better

[merry talon]

I dont think md knows how to maintain any code

[carmine hinge]

it almost does @static badge

[merry talon]

let alone legacy

[ancient bolt]

fair

[carmine hinge]

what's paper market share at ?

[static badge]

small

[carmine hinge]

wasnt it like 30% for 1.13 before

[static badge]

not insignificant though

[ancient bolt]

Ur face is small

and insignificant

[carmine hinge]

paper is 11%

rip

[static badge]

wav

[ornate spindle]

@static badge how usable is that MT stuff in concrete?

[static badge]

ur braincells are small and insignificant

not at all

it's not implemented

[ornate spindle]

big rip

[static badge]

I mean I can tell you if it ever gets to a usable point :>

which is likely in terms of years

[ornate spindle]

dang, so I'd have to backport it even more versions

[static badge]

If I were you I wouldn't attempt backporting something like that

design it to be originally used in the older versions

making ticking in mc MT'd will touch basically everything

[ornate spindle]

fair enough, just don't really know where to learn about MTing

[static badge]

and you can change behavior at your will since you don't need to worry about updating to a newer version

[gloomy sphinx]

https://youtu.be/_3KxKhs7W9Y

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Minecraft Vanilla vs Stratum 2048x Pt.1 Forest [4K/60FPS] - length 4m 16s - 58,090 likes, 2,482 dislikes (95.9%) - 2,413,667 views - FernFox on 2019.04.28

[stiff yarrow]

1.14 might've put a dent in it but paper should bounce back now that it has builds available @carmine hinge

[limber knot]

oh right i still need to set up rdns on my new ip

[woven otter]

meanwhile in skribbl.io:
https://i.imgur.com/P5AInje.png

[merry talon]

what was the answer

[woven otter]

tampon

[merry talon]

lul

[limber knot]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/commit/89a1469d3f74061b350f846caf9a929243a94a2b where is the change in this commit?

i'm just asking because paper leaks

[static badge]

scroll to the bottom

[limber knot]

there is a comment added

[static badge]

and it was moved

[carmine hinge]

Oof it seems like it's impossible to change item stack size without modifying the server now

[limber knot]

oh ok

[carmine hinge]

@void void this a job for orion? 😛

[static badge]

if paper still leaks tell us how to produce it or give us a heap dump

[limber knot]

so there is another memory leak?

[carmine hinge]

or whatever your thing was called

[static badge]

not any we're aware of

[limber knot]

i tried to pregenerate a world

paper+worldborder

and a fill

[carmine hinge]

where did the leaf bashing channel go

[static badge]

gone for a long time

[carmine hinge]

😜

[limber knot]

and after ~30k chunks the memory was full

can i create a memory dump from a currently running server?

[static badge]

yeah

/paper heap

or dump

[limber knot]

ok thanks

[static badge]

and did you differentiate between used memory and allocated memory?

[limber knot]

it stopped generating the world after some time because it could not free any memory

so yes i think its full

[static badge]

so it died due to gc overhead?

does it occur on spigot?

[limber knot]

no worldborder stops generating when there is not much memory left

i can try that, but it might take some hours

[static badge]

lower the ram you're giving your server

should make it happen faster

[limber knot]

yes i can try that

[carmine hinge]

oh yay!

its possible in 1.14 again

[limber knot]

how can i open the heap dump?

[carmine hinge]

wasnt in 1.13

[austere ivy]

GARBAGE

I KNEW WHAT IT WAS

[carmine hinge]

was hardcoded in Material w/ a swithc statement

[austere ivy]

I KEPT TRYING TO SAY ROCKET

[static badge]

you would need a program to do that

use eclipse mat

[limber knot]

ok

about to trim my worlds. What are they called? world netherworld and endworld ?

using worldboarder

world_nether, world_the_end ?

[static badge]

they're named after the folders their in

they're*

[limber knot]

would be default names

[gloomy sphinx]

pre genning a world and having it eat all your ram is normal

happens all the time

try a different world border version

[austere ivy]

@cosmic raft put some custom words

[cosmic raft]

too late

[limber knot]

Spottedleaf, thx

btw compiled 1.14.1 and it was a lot smoother today. Anyplace I can grab a daily binary?

[golden gust]

downloads are on the website

https://papermc.io/downloads

[limber knot]

cool...been hanging out to much on git!

[upper flicker]

pong

reee

[static badge]

[limber knot]

Stats

eclipse mat died for oom :D

!stats

Uptime: 29 days, 1 hours, 17 minutes, 58 seconds
Message Handling: 2ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 7031 (8%)
Messages from Discord: 86197 (92%)

yesss

[static badge]

well you need wam to analyse the heap dump so

[limber knot]

yes i increased the limit to 8 gb..

[gusty idol]

Nice

[cosmic raft]

@austere ivy

[limber knot]

https://cubeimage.de/images/2019/05/15/6FauG.png https://cubeimage.de/images/2019/05/15/6Fnm3.png

i have no idea how to interpret that.. chunks not unloaded?

[cosmic raft]

gg

[woven otter]

gg

[limber knot]

spigot just died with oom

[static badge]

so it's not our issue :>

what did you saw produced it? imma test it

[austere ivy]

GG

[woven otter]

was fun

[limber knot]

i have worldborder 1.9.0 https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/worldborder.60905/history

[austere ivy]

@cosmic raft :hahayes:

oh.

:(

It was fun, you were a very good drawer, @woven otter.

For a duck, definitely.

[limber knot]

because 1.9.9 crashes..

[woven otter]

haha 😄

[austere ivy]

:P

[limber knot]

and just created a world with worldbroder radius 4000 and tried to fill it

multiverse is on the server too