85~% usage if I only use data in the earlier half of your timings report and using all
#general
left yacht
limber knotBOT
So faster CPUs then?
left yacht
more efficient software or more powerful hardware.
I don't know what those command functions are for, so I'm not gonna suggest removing them
golden gust
Thing with CPUs is it depends on your goals, I would suggest looking into replacing your datapack functions that are always running or whatever they are
limber knotBOT
Just a headless server on Debian 9 GNU/Linux
left yacht
I don't use command functions so I have no idea what they are.
golden gust
No, that's irrelevant
You have something on your server that is consistently running a script from a data pack or something
limber knotBOT
could that be coreprotect?
electroniccat If you point it out Ill take a look at it
golden gust
Open your timings, and there is "Command Functions" listed on the front page
limber knotBOT
looking
I see it. Not sure what is causing that. ops:loop 9.17% and mhd:entity_checkeer 7.01%
ornate spindle
do you have a folder within one of your worlds that is called "datapacks"?
ornate spindle
did you install anything in there?
limber knotBOT
Yive yes a few small things like OnePlayerSleepV2_4.zip
ornate spindle
never ever use datapacks
limber knotBOT
Yive ok that was good to know
ornate spindle
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/one-player-sleep.31585/ here is a plugin that does the same function as that, but is likely more efficient
I recommend getting rid of the datapack and installing the plugin into a plugins folder
left yacht
datapacks are less efficient than using a plugin basically.
finite wave
What is a datapack
limber knotBOT
Yive thx tons for that info.
ornate spindle
datapacks are basically mojang's scuffed version of a plugin api
it performs worse than skript which is amazing considering that is possible
limber knotBOT
heh
finite wave
What when was these added
ornate spindle
1.13
limber knotBOT
thought you wrote a plugin called "faggot control" Jan? You were saying it fixes nagging and lag.
limber knotBOT
heh
finite wave
Do you need it?
limber knotBOT
meh thx tons but I might pass on that
ah right. Server was asking about if I could upgrade to 1.14. Told them I had no idea.
Any news on that?
golden gust
Given that 1.14 isn't released yet...
limber knotBOT
Yeah ill wait like 4 weeks
left yacht
their question
qxt, if you remove command functions from the look of it you'll be nearly 20tps again.
trim some entities and you should be fine 20tps with 15 players.
limber knotBOT
Ill look into that what is causing that. Guessing its CP though.
left yacht
coreprotect?
golden gust
plugins don't use command functions
left yacht
it doesn't cause TPS problems.
limber knotBOT
... hmmm what could.
golden gust
I'd suggest reading the mc wiki on what they are
limber knotBOT
I actually watched that long ass video with Aikar
left yacht
for timings?
limber knotBOT
yeah
left yacht
Command functions are different.
golden gust
It's not a plugin
limber knotBOT
what could then?
golden gust
Please go read the wiki and read what command functions are, otherwise we're going to be stuck in this loop of you suspecting it to be a plugin and us telling you it's not
finite wave
It is ACF confirmed
limber knotBOT
electroniccat you mean here https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ ?
golden gust
"the mc wiki"
tropic flame
orchid epoch
unreal quarry
planks on @orchid epoch
ocean robin
orchid pelican
DateTimeFormatter formatter = DateTimeFormatter.RFC_1123_DATE_TIME;
formatter.format(infraction.getCreationDate().toInstant());
is there any reason i should be getting an UnsupportedOperationException with this?
I cant figure this out
crystal compass
man datapacks are so trash
orchid pelican
why the hell is my date object throwing this while converting, UnsupportedTemporalTypeException: Unsupported field: Year
limber knotBOT
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austere ivy
left yacht
🔫
upper flicker
sacrifice him to the pepe gods
cosmic raft
void void
whats irc link?
full silo
Minecraft server software is hard to make from scratch 
wide shoal
Is 6700k --> 7700k OC (OVH hardware) a good idea for improving performance?
merry talon
in that you get a slightly more performant CPU yes
but first think about what your actual problem is
optimize your servers, and if that doesn't work scale horizontally not vertically
grand pewter
haha can't wait for 1.14 tomorrow 😛
i haven't been keeping track if there are much breaking changes for plugins but it seems like craftbukkit already has a pre5 update so im guessing paper will come pretty quick too
limber knotBOT
most important breaking things might be rename of sign -> oak sign and stone slab -> smooth stone slab
limber knotBOT
no there is not
orchid pelican
Oh ok
ornate spindle
so anyone know wtf happened between 1.8.8 and 1.12.2 to cause PlayerConnection to now use a ton of the cpu
static badge
got some profiler results?
ornate spindle
static badge
looks like it's doing a tick in the connection :>
ornate spindle
which is strange since you'd think it was doing that in 1.8.8 too
limber knotBOT
Is there a fix for the melon duplication glitch?
red halo
wat
ocean bison
limber knotBOT
ok, spigot has the 1.14 pre5 public
You can place a melon in your inventory crafting and get 9 out of it.
I'm running paper #622
Sry, I was misinformed. It turned out to be a plugin issue.
upbeat mason
ornate spindle
they had pre-release builds for 1.13 also
grand pewter
ah i guess so
although i feel like plugins will be able to update quicker this time
crystal compass
why bother with snapshots?
ember ravine
wide hazel
limber knotBOT
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limber knotBOT
Holy shit, std::string_view sv = s + "World\n"; allocates a new std::string, assigns a reference to it to sv, then throws the allocation so sv is a dangling pointer
static badge
hm?
leaden cloud
merry talon
okay so VSCode is taking upwards of one minute to reload properly after adding imports
this is infuriating
static badge
vscode :>
finite wave
Hope you are not using it for Java
merry talon
typescript
void void
merry talon
let me tell you if you ever think you have enough memory, open a node project with 1000+ dependencies in vs code
oh I thought I was exaggerating
yarn list | wc -l
>> 1628
It’s just as bad in a JetBrains IDE isn’t it?
native thunder
Jetbrains IDEs really hate it when you have like 10+ modules. I have this one project with 30 modules in it and it locks my cpu at 100% for about 2 minutes after opening
stiff yarrow
anyone got pics of the new bamboo
limber knotBOT
wot
quasi valley
I like the sobbing one
blissful grove
livid echo
who
vestal jasper
@static badge
livid echo
oh
quasi valley
can confirm
ornate spindle
so with 1.14, it appears that they optimised chunks and lighting. I wonder what other things will be optimised in 1.15. I'm guessing entity ticking and maybe entity tracking
void void
whad
finite wave
Idk i googled autist muslim
potent path
stray matrix
void void
ty @stiff yarrow! :D
olive garden
I just don't have the Java 8 JDK
I have the JRE, I can compile to Java 8 using JDK 11
terse trellis
terse trellis
do you know that fawe advertises you? :D
stiff yarrow
limber knotBOT
..
unreal quarry
RIP all those ppl still on 1.12 waiting for 1.14... seems their upgrade path includes running --forceUpgrade on 1.13 and then again on 1.14 ^_^
heavy rapids
well, upgrading the worlds should be possible on a server without plugins, right?
unreal quarry
No idea. I didn't do it last time. I started with a fresh world
Will likely start fresh again this time too
heavy rapids
didn't 1.13 get rid of spawn chunks?
unreal quarry
Seems cleaner
upper flicker
should be a hell of a lot less to migrate
unreal quarry
Hey z, that also means 1.13 paper has to stick around, yeah? For the migration..
Can't have them use spigot 1.13 for the migration or they lose all the paper nbt
upper flicker
idk why you couldnt do it on 1.14 anywayt
its not like mojang just yanked all the conversion code
have to see
sonic kiln
static badge
it's cuz md69 made a post and he said so
static badge
am just saying he said so
also ur retarded
have I told you that recently
I don't think I have
need to reach that quota each day
static badge
finite wave
@static badge Kicked ahhaha
void void
limber knotBOT
https://i.redd.it/jc06b5xsfyt21.png I feel personally attacked
void void
What was the URL for getting playernames from UUID again? I tried this one "https://api.mojang.com/profiles/minecraft" but it doesnt seem to be correct.
UUID from playernames*
nvm, got it, it's https://api.mojang.com/users/profiles/minecraft/
wide hazel
@ornate spindle don't forget redstone optimizations!
That was exciting to me
I mean, Theo did the work, but redstone has been needing a tune-up for a long while
So am still excite
slim nymph
BillyToday at 7:52 AM
RIP all those ppl still on 1.12 waiting for 1.14... seems their upgrade path includes running --forceUpgrade on 1.13 and then again on 1.14 ^_^
what are you talking about
that will not be the case
thats the ENTIRE point of data fixers
upper flicker
I havent looked at what datafixers are new to 1.14
idk why you'd need to do that
its not like mojang should be getting rid of them
stiff yarrow
deprecated?
upper flicker
in his mind it'd been deprecated for some time
wide hazel
Yeah
upper flicker
he's just formalizing that
stiff yarrow
how do you deprecate something everything is downstream from 
upper flicker
he's advising regular people not to use it
heavy rapids
I'm pretty new to the community side of paper, but from what I've gathered the relationship to md5 is, well, tense to say the least lol
upper flicker
which in turn will mean devs dont have to care about it
which is what he has always wanted
but hasnt been the case
upper flicker
I doubt he will ever get rid of it
having a middle ground thats just pure API impl (theoretically anyway) is pretty nice
he may make it stop building eventually in BT though
wide hazel
It's neither true vanilla nor is it optimized at all
stiff yarrow
I wouldn't mind CB disappearing if Spigot reverted the changes it made to vanilla gameplay
stiff yarrow
🙄
wide hazel
If you want plugins it's not vanilla
proud mountain
heyo, is going from bungeecord to waterfall as easy as replacing the jar?
wide hazel
I mean, it's the truth :P
stiff yarrow
I would like the base game to be vanilla and plugins can modify which parts of it are not vanilla
proud mountain
ooo new channels
stiff yarrow
if the server is modifying it too then that's just weird to me
stiff yarrow
Paper isn't vanilla either though
Paper makes changes which affect vanilla gameplay
wide hazel
It's as vanilla as CB
upper flicker
no it isnt
stiff yarrow
egg are you high
wide hazel
Well
stiff yarrow
wide hazel
Close
stiff yarrow
you can go start a vanilla server and its like a monster cluster fuck
upper flicker
wanting something thats just vanilla gameplay + hooks for plugins to change it isnt that unreasonable
stiff yarrow
some people will want a server that is identical to vanilla sub plugin changes
as close to identical as it can be at least
upper flicker
from a development standpoint it also greatly helps testing and finding issues
wide hazel
I personally don't get it but I've had Disconsented drill it into my head enough that I understand
stiff yarrow
personally egg I'm one of those guys that favours vanilla gameplay with minimal changes, but I'm not a purist who wants it to be exactly 1:1 but I can understand that pov
CB doesn't really need to exist if Spigot was mirroring vanilla gameplay
wide hazel
I see the point of CB, but I can't call it vanilla
stiff yarrow
the important thing is context
wide hazel
Vanilla is mojang, and that's that
stiff yarrow
in this context I am saying the gameplay is more like vanilla Minecraft
of course if you start diddling with internals its hard to avoid divergence from vanilla gameplay
wide hazel
Yeah, the gameplay is pretty untouched
stiff yarrow
but for the most part CB is much closer to vanilla gameplay than spigot or paper
wide hazel
Not absolutely 100% though
Which is why I don't call it vanilla
Vanilla with a few chocolate chips is no longer vanilla
stiff yarrow
if Spigot intentionally tried to achieve vanilla gameplay then I think CB can disappear
but until then it should exist
I actually wouldn't mind spigot offering flavours of server software, similar to distros
one could be vanilla-like
the other could be performance tweaked
paper could do something like that too
upper flicker
you just described CB and Spigot
stiff yarrow
in my scenario both the software flavours would have the same API
stiff yarrow
yes but its better than NMS
upper flicker
no one wants to step up and replace it in CB
void void
i bet he wouldn't accept the changes either
stiff yarrow
I'm surprised no one has
wide hazel
I think having a compatibility layer like CB is good for devs- not regular server owners
stiff yarrow
idk I don't think hes that attached to it
I think hes more concerned about breaking the API
than he is that its his api
heavy rapids
from what I gather public opinion about md5 is kinda mixed? :D
stiff yarrow
in md5s world backwards compatibility is king
upper flicker
I mean apparently he just removed some APIs he deprecated 3 months ago
stiff yarrow
you touch the text component api and you have committed a sin
upper flicker
thats a pretty quick turn around time
stiff yarrow
was it draft api?
upper flicker
nope
void void
nop
upper flicker
void void
he's doing shit inconsistently again
worn ember
@upper flicker no u
upper flicker
nou
worn ember
owo
wide hazel
sigh
this is my day, today
just filled with quizzes like this.
should have tested out
trick question. Answer is actually "Python is dumb and doesn't concat ints and strings"
you have to convert it to a string first
EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DYNAMICALLY-TYPED LANGUAGE
because fuck your logic
https://i.imgur.com/sRzmbi2.png
this one is just dumb. Two technically correct answers- one would just make more sense depending on context. Who knows, maybe you want to floor the result?
woo boy. Haven't even started and already my salt levels have peaked
heavy rapids
what kind of quiz is that
wide hazel
intro to programming
heavy rapids
college course?
upper flicker
pretty sure its still strongly typed
void void
how do plugins add a prefix to their logger? I use Bukkit.getLogger.
wide hazel
myVar = "Hello!"
myVar = 123
Works
heavy rapids
You use the logger from the plugin instance
wide hazel
I said dynamic 😛
heavy rapids
I'm glad I got thru university without ever having to take an online quiz
void void
@void void why are you using Bukkit.getLogger()...
heavy rapids
all these pearson input evaluation memes on reddit
void void
plugins have their own logger instance available via getLogger()
or this.getLogger()
see JavaPlugin#getLogger()
wide hazel
I just don't understand why, in a dynamic language, you need to specify a string in order to concat with another string. I get it's strong typing, but the fact that it doesn't convert is kinda dumb
fossil torrent
heavy rapids
well, python has the notion of being more explicit than implicit sometimes
wide hazel
dynamic + strong typing is kinda dumb
honestly
recipe for disaster, but VERY easy to write little basic scripts with
so I suppose it fits Python well
void void
wait, so you don't understand why int + str does not work?
heavy rapids
still I abhor python because of PEP8's line width constraint combined with 4 space indents
wide hazel
I understand it on a technical level, but I mean Java allows it. And C#. And most other high-level languages
void void
but in classes where plugin isn't accessed isn't Bukkit.getLogger fine then?
upper flicker
as in the linter might care but the runtime doesnt
void void
@void void well technically no
wide hazel
it's also not in the PIP8 standard
void void
no idea why the fuck it is exposed at all
wide hazel
so
void void
alright then.
use JavaPlugin.getPlugin(YourPluginClass.class).getLogger()
if someone uses custom log4j config to spit out logger names then that's going to end up fucky if plugins use Bukkit.getLogger()
...like me
is it good practice to get stuff from class name?
wide hazel
I use log4j
or do I use that other logger?
iunno
one of them
both are better than getLogger
wide hazel
getLogger isn't quite flexible enough
void void
wdym by class name
@void void
the example i gave you?
yeah
well that method isn't there for nothing
other way is getting plugin class instance from plugin manager and casting, but that gets annoying
I just get a bit confused because some times i get recommendations on passing the plugin as arguments but then I can also grab it like you just shown.
argument*
heavy rapids
Singleton access works, too, but requires making your plugin keep a static reference of itself
void void
yeah that works too
passing arguments down works too but gets annoying when you pass different things down the constructor
okey
one way is to use DI, but if you're beginner/doing small plugins then don't really bother
DI stands for?
heavy rapids
service locator?
heavy rapids
intent/motivation looks good, gonna look into it
static badge
so it's basically a singleton
wide hazel
nope, entirely different design pattern
can do the same things a singleton can, but it can do more and its design is entirely different
just because it can fulfil the same purpose doesn't mean it's the same thing, though
static badge
it looks like it's moved the instance to another class
limber knotBOT
should the paper 1.14 pre5 branch be buildable?
wide hazel
kinda
static badge
I wouldn't call that something significant at all
wide hazel
the SL keeps track of things provided to it, then provides them to things that request them
one of the neat features you can do with it is utilizing interfaces
heavy rapids
Looks like Bukkit's services
eternal steeple
static badge
you mean basically all it does is shove your singletons into one class
the fuck you going to do with two instances of one service when by design there's really only one made to use?
wide hazel
ProductionAudioEngine implements IAudioEngine
LoggingAudioEngine implements IAudioEngine
NullAudioEngine implements IAudioEngine
you provide one of those three at that start of the project, then all throughout the project you pull IAudioEngine and use that. The SL provides whatever concrete that interface has
static badge
there is literally no point to this SL name other than retarded cancer
wide hazel
you change the engine once at the beginning of the project and youre set for the rest of the project
pulsar wigeon
i mean you can do that with singleton
static badge
it's a singleton provided by another class
wide hazel
it's decoupling
void void
@void void dependency injection, see guice & dagger
pulsar wigeon
a singleton doesn't have to provide itself as an instance
heavy rapids
looks like a good pattern in general, but in my eyes it's overengineered for something like log access
wide hazel
you can do that with a singleton, but you'd need to replace instances throughout the project
pulsar wigeon
it can provide a subclass as itself too
you don't have to, you can just set it once at the beginning
just like you said
ember narwhal
How 1.14
static badge
god is this the bullshit being taught to cs students
wide hazel
"How 1.14"
static badge
hope not cuz this is fucking retarded
wide hazel
nice.
slim nymph
egg82 ❄Today at 10:13 AM
I just don't understand why, in a dynamic language, you need to specify a string in order to concat with another string. I get it's strong typing, but the fact that it doesn't convert is kinda dumb
oh boy you must have never used php or js
void void
.eta
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
ember narwhal
👺
wide hazel
I have used PHP, and it's equally dumb 😛
heavy rapids
@static badge I can only talk for my uni, but we only glanced over the GoF
wide hazel
Laravel is nice
slim nymph
your exact statement is why people bitch and moan about js
slim nymph
js trying to do what you said it should do is what messes up
wide hazel
I don't blame them
slim nymph
its good that python ISNT doing that
heavy rapids
and the prof told us to look up some if we really wanted to
pulsar wigeon
you mean [] + {} and {} + [] aren't intuitive?
wide hazel
@pulsar wigeon @static badge http://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/service-locator.html#when-to-use-it
then "when to use it" section is good
heavy rapids
wasn't there a javascript code made from brackets that prints hello world?
wide hazel
I mean, the entire thing is good
and entertaining
but the top sections; "motivation" "when to use it", etc are the most important
static badge
I don't see what about its argument makes it better or different from a singleton
wide hazel
design patterns are tools. Use them when appropriate
wide hazel
SL isn't a replacement for Singleton
static badge
I'm simply pointing out this design pattern is retarded and already exists
wide hazel
it's an additional tool
slim nymph
Service locator "pattern" is same thing as singleton with a setInstance
but honestly setInstance is better than SL
no hashmap lookups needed
pulsar wigeon
that's what i said aikar
heavy rapids
B-bUt My O(1)
static badge
like in the end you can literally use your head if singleton is sorta getting in your way
wide hazel
you can get a SL to O(1) lookup
static badge
you do not need some fucking niche in a niche pattern
slim nymph
O(1) compexity is not the same thing as single JVM Op code vs like 30+
heavy rapids
at least for high frequency
pulsar wigeon
technically hashmaps aren't O(1)
wide hazel
it's slightly slower than a reference, sure
pulsar wigeon
:^)
pulsar wigeon
it's not even amortized
wide hazel
it's O(1) enough 😛
slim nymph
Foo.getInstance() is going to guaranteed get inlined. hashmaps are going to drain the inlining threshhold
pulsar wigeon
hashmaps, if they have a collision, will ALWAYS have that collision
wide hazel
it's as O(1) as you can reasonably get when coding in the language
heavy rapids
wasn't a hashmap with rehashing amortized O(1) ? 🤔
slim nymph
yes
heavy rapids
no idea
static badge
on resize obviously
slim nymph
well, yes it only rehashes on size growth
static badge
no they don't rehash otherwise
pulsar wigeon
right ok
static badge
only on resize
pulsar wigeon
so my point stands
static badge
rehashing is pointless given the hashmap impl
wide hazel
http://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/contents.html
if anyone wants to read the full book, by the way. It's a good read.
you can buy the e-book but they provide this free HTML version
vestal jasper
So let's say I'm retarded. What is O(1)
cedar spade
oNe PoInT fOuRtEeN wEn
pulsar wigeon
this guy never took CS
static badge
constant-time
vestal jasper
Correct
static badge
if you took math you'd be able to figure it out
vestal jasper
I'm completely self taught 
pulsar wigeon
it's short hand for "this algorithm will never take more than constant time"
wide hazel
it's a general idea of time/complexity, but doesn't actually mean "how much time something will take"
pulsar wigeon
O(n) = worst case linear, O(n^2) = worst case n^2, etc
static badge
the expression in O(expression) is how the function scales given an input
pulsar wigeon
there's other notations for lower bounds and so on, but programmers usually don't care about those
vestal jasper
Gotcha
static badge
in this case n = entries in your hashmap
wide hazel
big-O notation
pulsar wigeon
only theory CS people do
wide hazel
oh, wiz already said it
pulsar wigeon
yea i did
wide hazel
also look up bogosort. Hilarious.
heavy rapids
I once designed an algorithm with provable lower bound O(2^(n^n))
wide hazel
or bogobogosort
heavy rapids
that was fun
wide chasm
Look up quantumsort
wide hazel
lol
heavy rapids
some network state bruteforcing thingy
pulsar wigeon
bruteforcing
that's not how lower bounds work?
did you prove it was impossible to do without bruteforcing
wide hazel
big-o is upper-bound iirc
heavy rapids
Well, the problem was something like "generate all possible follow-up states for n components"
pulsar wigeon
or just that bruteforcing was omega(2^(n^n))
heavy rapids
and the output was of size at least c * (2^(n^n))
so -> nothing below O(2^(n^n))
otherwise you couldn't write all the output :^)
pulsar wigeon
O means upper bound again
pulsar wigeon
Ω
pulsar wigeon
that's not lower bound tho
heavy rapids
Because I studied all that in another language and my english sucks
^^
(also I'm currently being eaten alive by monsters in starbound so my attention for thinking about things suffers as well :P)
wide hazel
alrighty, so now that I'm done with this damned quiz, how exactly would you decouple the codebase from ProductionAudioEngine with a Singleton?
SL would have the rest of the codebase get "IAudioEngine" and they would all use the interface
pulsar wigeon
singleton would do that too
wide hazel
with a Singleton, you'd have the rest of the codebase calling ProductionAudioEngine.getInstance
wide hazel
which is not decoupling
wide hazel
well, then how would you do it with the pattern?
pulsar wigeon
except it's bad form to put instance method on interfaces
pulsar wigeon
so you'd probably make it an abstract class or something
or just an actual class
and your subclasses would still be subclasses
wide hazel
you'd make an AbstractAudioEngine, then have a getInstance and setInstance?
pulsar wigeon
nah, i'd just have AudioEngine
wide hazel
seems a little messy?
static badge
cuz it doesn't have a name for its specific use
wide hazel
each class would extend the abstract
static badge
how is that more messy than implementing an interface
pulsar wigeon
(hint, since java 8, nothing)
cedar spade
“I always prefix normal classes with C and enums with E so I don't need to prefix interfaces with I” 
pulsar wigeon
LUL
wide hazel
just "smalls bad" having an abstract as a singleton that you'd also set the concrete inside of
static badge
until you can find an argument against it that isn't "lol this is a pattern and it's better" :>
pulsar wigeon
i mean, with SL you need the "locator" object to do that all for you
it's not like your interface is doing the work either
you still need some locator object
in singleton, the singleton is the locator
wide hazel
might be personal preference I suppose, but shoving a concrete inside its abstract is just strange to me
I always think of abstracts as something to build off of
not to use in production code
well, in the rest of the codebase
you get what I mean
static badge
is that the philosophy that led to Optional<Boolean> tristate? :>
void void
mfw optional boolean
wide hazel
best idea I had at the time without throwing exceptions
void void
@Nullable Boolean boolean;
static badge
yeah no don't use nullability annotations :>
pulsar wigeon
@Nullable Optional<Boolean> bool;?
static badge
document it and call it a day
void void
wow level up wiz
static badge
4 dumfuk
wide hazel
math is hard
static badge
null, optional null, false, true
pulsar wigeon
but mah NPEs
static badge
god if anything kills me it'll be the cancer that's yet to come
wide hazel
anyway, back off of Spotted'd ad-hominem/strawman there- personally I feel better using an SL for something like that AudioEngine problem while a Singleton would be more useful for getting a logger
static badge
yet to see that but I'd love to
pulsar wigeon
:oof:
heavy rapids
private Optional<Optional<...Boolean...>>...>> myByte
heavy rapids
annotated type parameters are a thing iirc
pulsar wigeon
yup
wide hazel
lol
void void
@Nullable Optional<@Nullable Optional<@Nullable Boolean>> myOptionalOptionalBoolean;
heavy rapids
null optional == empty optional
pulsar wigeon
huh?
heavy rapids
Optional<@Nullable Boolean> vs Optional<Boolean> shouldn't make a difference
void void
depends on a nullable annotation
heavy rapids
as passing null would make the optional empty
pulsar wigeon
the point is to make the declaration dumb
heavy rapids
if it even worked
pulsar wigeon
not to introduce additional states
olive garden
replace Optional with Consumer and then you have a real thing
void void
not doing some srs biznez
void void
also let's make that consumer return nullable optional 
olive garden
no, that's tomorrow's plan
wide hazel
if we wanted to re-invent ints we could just use nullable byte arrays
heavy rapids
couldn't we also use type bounds?
olive garden
Let's please not make consumers return stuff :D
heavy rapids
? super Boolean
void void
wide hazel
consumer
returning something
yeah, I agree with this
wide hazel
I mean, even a consumer has to shit somewhere I guess
lol
I dropped my /s @upper flicker
pulsar wigeon
consumer that returns something by setting an instance variable in it's anonymous class declaration
wide hazel
and now he's dead
heavy rapids
public class HiMyNameIsDave<T> implements Consumer<Boolean> {
public T accept(Boolean b) { ... }
}
👌
Except that my compiler commits suicide after seeing this
void void
also checked exceptions
let's make backing code throw exception whether boolean should be true/false/null
and according to that let's return nested optionals
olive garden
oh, you think Booleans only have 3 states?
olive garden
guess what, there are Boolean instances that equal neither Boolean.TRUE, not Boolean.FALSE and or not null either
pulsar wigeon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM3W36COnE4 did someone mention c++ templates?
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heavy rapids
Boolean.FILE_NOT_FOUND
olive garden
well, by equal I meant reference equal
void void
public <T extends Boolean> @Nullable Optional<@Nullable Optional<@Nullable Boolean>> get_result() {
try {
throw new IOException("TODO: implement this");
} catch(Throwable e) {
return null;
}
}
Do you mean org.apache.commons.lang.NotImplementedException?
pulsar wigeon
https://github.com/openjdk-mirror/jdk7u-jdk/blob/master/src/share/classes/java/lang/Boolean.java#L211 actually trigary?
oh
reference equal
olive garden
yeah, sorry
pulsar wigeon
you corrected that
quasi valley
ye
heavy rapids
@void void PR: add a string parameter to customize the exception message
quasi valley
WEN PEIPA
void void
ETA WHENNNNNNNNNN
heavy rapids
.eta
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
heavy rapids
?
odd peak
heavy rapids
first person to ask for an ETA?
quasi valley
we'll feed you to the goblins instead
void void
@heavy rapids pr rejected, you forgot to sign the CLA
heavy rapids
CLA of "Bad code 2k19"
1. I agree to sacrifice my firstborn on the day of the advent of the dark lord belzeloth to praise and honor our master mikroskeem.
2. I agree to agree to agreeing to this agreement.
3. §3 is a lie.
2019-04-23, LordKorea, the Internet.
Happy now?
void void
seems like CLA is signed, PR can be merged now
wide hazel
snake case belongs in snake languages
void void
Merge conflict: try rebasing your PR on top of latest changes
heavy rapids
Comment on PR: can you not just force push? its the first result on SO for this question
unreal quarry
How you think I feel, mikro, with 20 open PRs
Pretty sure they all need to be redone lol
pulsar wigeon
your mistake was making PRs just before big version drop
heavy rapids
what in the f happened to minecraft.net
where do I find the update blog
why is it so unintuitive
help me
void void
@heavy rapids force pushed, our devops runs with an fire extinguisher in production server room because of you
wide hazel
https://i.imgur.com/dogZGYb.png
Where's the "you forgot to cast to int so none of these are correct" answer?
heavy rapids
tell them to run git fire
pulsar wigeon
are there even official update noets?
i thought they just make random tweets and the community compiles them
heavy rapids
@wide hazel there's a double space after "an" in the first prompt, can't unsee
wide chasm
There are update notes, yes
heavy rapids
@void void I like how you sneaked your favorite part of the CLA into the screenshot
void void
coincidence :p
native thunder
Billy doesn't believe in pr hell. He just stacks prs until he gets out
unreal quarry
8 months too close. Damn. Will go for 9 next time
heavy rapids
can someone point me to the official update notes? I can't find them in the clusterfuck that is minecraft.net
pulsar wigeon
wtf was that
void void
deleted
void void
ughh
pulsar wigeon
you can delete those messages?
hard lake
where papermc 1.14 bruh
void void
irc here i come
heavy rapids
thx <3
hard lake
unreal quarry
sets mikro on fire
pulsar wigeon
what i want to know is wtf happened to travel agents
wide chasm
TravelAgent got removed
coarse urchin
Paper has beltrayed us
pulsar wigeon
well clearly
heavy rapids
"Too much of a maintenance burden" == "It broke and we did not care enough to fix it"
void void
hits @unreal quarry so that he catches fire as well
glad smelt
void void
ha minecraft logic rules
unreal quarry
They were there in 1.13... maybe it's one of those things md_5 doesn't understand so he just removed thrm
pulsar wigeon
they weren't even deprecated
native thunder
What's a travelagent?
golden gust
.g xkcd 1186
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olive garden
Do you mean the travelling salesman problem? /s
cosmic raft
having fun with 1.14?
wide hazel
https://i.imgur.com/gYoAqVC.png
Why would you not just have "str = input" at the start of the while loop instead of duplicating it? This is the second time I've seen this happen and I'm starting to thing that wasn't an accident
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native thunder
Tar's gotten easier
pulsar wigeon
"valid command" is the only restraint there
wide hazel
"tar --help"
heavy rapids
now you don't need to know the flags
pulsar wigeon
you mean "tar /?" egg?
heavy rapids
REEE
pulsar wigeon
:^)
wide hazel
lol
heavy rapids
Mojang no
cosmic raft
--help is a thing
wide hazel
did they not implement --help?
native thunder
tar -xf [file]
wide hazel
they should have
pulsar wigeon
/? is a windows command prompt thing usually.
native thunder
I don't remember when they changed the flags but they're easier to remember now
wide hazel
--help is valid
cosmic raft
works fine
pulsar wigeon
that was the joke
wide hazel
I know, but it did say UNIX 😛
pulsar wigeon
🤦
cosmic raft
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/village---pillage-out-java- for those that haven't seen yet
wide hazel
I wasn't the only one confused about your delivery, there
fuck if we know @heavy rapids lol
heavy rapids
ik just jk
heavy rapids
I hope there's a livestream of the update process
unreal quarry
Z and cat said they wont
wide hazel
suppose I wouldn't be surprised
unreal quarry
Bad intarwebz
golden gust
Yea, My upload literally can't cope with my screen size :L
heavy rapids
b-but muh community interaction
cosmic raft
yeah cat is in the UK
wide hazel
can't guarantee anyone will, but I wouldn't be surprised if Aikar did is all
cosmic raft
their upload is like 0.00043mbps
velvet stag
HYPEEE
http://prntscr.com/nfu5sa
native thunder
It's the rain. Saps away their upload
upper flicker
the more time I spend interacting with the community the less I want to interact with the community
golden gust
lol
hard lake
does spigot 1.14-pre5 work with 1.14 full release?
finite wave
🤷🏼♂️
native thunder
See wifi doesn't travel well in the rain
golden gust
Probably not
native thunder
So that's why the UK's speed is so slow
It's kind of like smoke ya know?
It all gets trapped at the ground
olive garden
I seem to get better signal strength in snow though
golden gust
There is actually some fun truth to that because of how most broadband services are actually just shitty DSL
native thunder
They need to scoop up the wifi using buckets and pour it back into the routers
upper flicker
now all I can think about is IP over smoke signal
golden gust
(DSL on an infrastructure of copper which hasn't been replaced in a good few decades)
native thunder
I have a dual DSL line that's joined at my modem
wide hazel
IP over carrier pidgeon
heavy rapids
wasn't that RFC'd?
wide hazel
yep
wide hazel
teapot
heavy rapids
is also great
wide hazel
doesn't brew coffee
safe tide
did I read the spigot announcment right it sounds like md got butthurt people were using craftbukkit'
wide hazel
also "halt and catch fire" and "printer on fire"
native thunder
Storage over DNS
wide hazel
there's actually storage over ping
native thunder
DNSFS
heavy rapids
but why
heavy rapids
fair enough
void void
heavy rapids
but can it run crysis?
heavy rapids
welp, ima waste an hour of my life with the c++ template regex thingy
quasi valley
you can't join realms on 1.14 release https://kennytv.eu/files/4x4ta.png 
olive garden
In 1.14, are cats and ocelots separate mobs now? Or do ocelots become cats when tamed?
upper flicker
theyre separate
wide chasm
They are separate
quasi valley
separate
olive garden
okay, thank you all
upper flicker
@olive garden btw they're separate
wide hazel
I don't know why, but I think they might be seperate
something's telling me
not sure what
heavy rapids
are tamed ocelots converted to cats tho? like, ocelots from previous versions
quasi valley
did you know
velvet stag
i think they are different and cats spawn around villages unlike ocelots
i still think you can tame them tho
stiff yarrow
Bedrock
wide hazel
inb4 Paper for Bedrock
heavy rapids
is bedrock even moddable?
heavy rapids
paper implemented on command blocks and command functions when
prisma orchid
carmine mirage
Holy moly 1.14 is out how can i update my server to a newer version
stiff yarrow
bedrock has JS in it
upper flicker
not until someone manages to kill all of us sane people
stiff yarrow
so its sort of moddable
heavy rapids
JS
carmine mirage
Wtf is js
wide hazel
yeah, 1.14 has been out for like an hour now, where's Paper 1.14 @upper flicker 😛
heavy rapids
they use Javascript for modding?
upper flicker
this is why I dont livestream stuff and I prefer to do this stuff privately
wide hazel
lol
prisma orchid
How long does it take for it to be released on Paper? (1.14)
wide hazel
"GO FASTER"
upper flicker
.eta
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
wide hazel
nice
prisma orchid
Im wondering if I should go to spigot for a limited time
wide hazel
goblins = leaf
prisma orchid
opsie
lmao
Halvnaken did an opsie
But, lmao. Could I know if we are talking days or hours?
heavy rapids
1.15 eta?
pulsar wigeon
literally 16 years til paper releases 1.14
heavy rapids
maybe decades
pulsar wigeon
at least
prisma orchid
Okay @stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
we'll be lucky to get paper 1.14 in the next century
heavy rapids
how about you guys ditch 1.14 and instead we all go back to mc 1.7.2
pulsar wigeon
beta
heavy rapids
no
pulsar wigeon
yes
pulsar wigeon
anyway today is gonna be full of retards so imma just hide and actually do work today
heavy rapids
this gun be gud
deft brook
velvet stag
guys, i know we are all excited to see 1.14 and get it working on paper and all that, but speaking for myself i couldnt do it.. xD and from personall experience having ppl constantly asking for ETA's is super stressfull and can kill productivity so lets trust the ppl behind it and hope for "the soonest" whenever that may be ^^
void void
just use viaversion
they have 1.14 support already
probably because there were little to no differences between last pre
and the release
quasi valley
upper flicker
oof
hard lake
subtle mirage
i try put ' it gives bug