#general
vestal jasper
stiff yarrow
@vestal jasper client is notoriously buggy when it comes to showing the correct light level
heavy rapids
Entitie
can't unsee
vestal jasper
FUCK
stiff yarrow
watcha making
heavy rapids
oh yeah, horse stats
getting a decent horse in survival felt like EV training pokemon
vestal jasper
LOL
heavy rapids
I had at one point set up a challenge parcours for the horses
to measure their stats
vestal jasper
I'm not sure what else to add to it
In terms of stats that aren't easily findable through vanilla gameplay
left yacht
I prefer boat parkour over horse parkour.
boats are basically uncontrollable on ice.
and I didn't even know horses had those stats
vestal jasper
Each horse has randomly generated stats
Domestication and Owner are the only stats in there which aren't random
stiff yarrow
@left yacht haven't you heard of our lord and saviour horse plugin with 32 million downloads but only 300 live servers on bstats 
heavy rapids
@vestal jasper one thing for the block information: maybe include sky light into the calculation?
vestal jasper
if (block.isPassable()) {
spawnMessage = block.getLightLevel() > 7 ? "Yes" : "No";
} else {
spawnMessage = aboveBlock.getLightLevel() > 7 ? "Yes" : "No";
}```Crops grow if the light level of the block above them is 7 or higher
heavy rapids
so sky light is included?
vestal jasper
Nope
stiff yarrow
that's a > not a >= tho
heavy rapids
so it would state "No" for farmland in the open?
vestal jasper
Err
wait wrong section
oops
String cropMessage = aboveBlock.getLightLevel() >= 9 ? "Yes" : "No";
it's 9 or higher
mobs are 8 or higher
left yacht
oh damn @stiff yarrow
finite wave
Meh
heavy rapids
also for block information: do you consider the biome not easily findable?
if so: that could be added
vestal jasper
biome easily findable?
heavy rapids
i mean you could include the biome of the column in the block information
it's kinda hard to see on the border between biomes which block belongs to which biome
signal wave
Is anything changing with lighting where we can create lighting effects/change darkness for players from serverside?
carmine mirage
guys just one question is it okay to have a snapshot version
of your server+
something like that
gritty crystal
gloomy warren
Don't restart, use reload 😉
tropic flame
ew what @gloomy warren
upper flicker
dont hostwap, just rm -rf /
normal echo
you forgot the --no-preserve-root 😉
upper flicker
well I didnt necessarily run it as root either
still wrecked your home directories luckily
normal echo
root is the best user to run anything as /s
normal echo
I like the 1st better
upper flicker
I think if youre going to do the first you need to wrangle the navbar elements to match
tardy lynx
ew light theme
upper flicker
rather than them sitting off in the corners
strange bane
Yeah, you're totally right.
upper flicker
the all purpose technical answer fits here as well
deep shoal
@strange bane the first is a lot nicer
upper flicker
as its name would imply
acoustic pilot
It actually doesn't matter from a performance perspective.
So it comes down to preference.
deep shoal
is it better one way or another for design?
acoustic pilot
It really depends on your preference.
upper flicker
oh man, deep hits
strange bane
I like to split things up solely so if one plugin breaks, the others usually aren't affected.
upper flicker
monolithic design vs specialized modules
deep shoal
I like specialised
upper flicker
its like an oldies track in here
if someone asks about tabs or spaces next we'll have the whole band
acoustic pilot
If you like to have specialized, micro plugins, you can do that. It won't hurt performance to have 100 plugins.
strange bane
It would probably hurt development time quite a bit though. 😛
deep shoal
why?
upper flicker
how far you want to specialize is also relevant
strange bane
Making 100 projects sounds painful.
worn ember
just make a template for your base or use mcdev or something
acoustic pilot
At that point you've probably already got a Maven archetype lol
stiff yarrow
I personally think plugins should just do one thing and do that well, so having one huge plugin doing a bunch of different unrelated things would kind of be lame, I don't think there'd be any meaningful performance benefits from either approach
I'd go with 50 small plugins over one huge random plugin
acoustic pilot
Could be anywhere in between, too, like Z said.
You can choose how much you want to specialize
So just go with whatever feels right and works for you
strange bane
Can you imagine having to deal with 50 config files, @stiff yarrow?
stiff yarrow
looks around the room nervously
acoustic pilot
If you were clever you could have a lot of shared configuration in the database, too.
deep shoal
I still like the modularised version more
acoustic pilot
and override specific bits
stiff yarrow
I'm working on an update for mcMMO that is splitting several large config files into smaller specialized ones, I think we'll end up having around 30 config files
strange bane
Dynmap-style. 😛
(I really wish Dynmap's YAML files didn't have the txt file extension btw.)
acoustic pilot
symlink for editor purposes? lol
strange bane
Luckily, VSCode has a little button in the corner where you can search the file type, without it though I guess that'd be a solution. xD
Extra sidenote: If anyone recreates the Dynmap frontend with HTML5 canvas and React let me know! The developer of Dynmap started a react edition but it seems to have been postponed, he probably got busy.
golden kindle
strange bane
Might have to leave the navbar elements on the edge, Z. They don't really fit if they're pushed in like the rest of the page.
acoustic pilot
That does look like a stupid review
Guy downloads plugin and writes a bad review because it doesn't support his server version lol
stiff yarrow
reviews like that are pretty lame, it hurts the overall score and its really just a feature request
acoustic pilot
Yep.
Unless the plugin advertised support for that version, and it didn't work, that'd be a good review
strange bane
How dare the author not support a 4 year old version of the game? :/
worn ember
yeah its stupid i just love how he replied to it xD
strange bane
@upper flicker will the newer documentation frontend ever be put into use?
upper flicker
the issues with it originally were mostly in how it was organized
if someone wanted to fix that up that'd be fine
as far as our list of priorities though, its pretty far down the list
strange bane
What issues were there with its organisation?
void void
basically.... i can put my hands on it tomorrow
worn ember
Docs priority: Non existant
upper flicker
as I recall it was mostly just a bunch of links to compiled html files
void void
i have 2 weeks until new exam so i have bit time to let steam out :p
upper flicker
with no thought or build process in place for actually updating them other than screwing with the html itself or building elsewhere and copy pasting the new html files in
strange bane
I can't remember what documentation system you used, but the idea is that you'd use the HTML it generated, it was supposed to be an almost drop-in replacement for readthedocs.io.
upper flicker
thats fine and all but that process needs to be part of the repo
the build process for the site cant be "go build this other project, then copy paste files in"
unless its automated to do so
strange bane
Okay, I'll look into creating a build script another time.
worn ember
Automate the deployment? Shouldn't be too hard i think?
then again i just started with CI so what do i know :p
strange bane
I think the website is on automated deployment, there's just no automated way to transpile Sphinx into HTML and then moving that to wherever I wanted it go when I created it. That shouldn't be hard either, you can take a stab at it if you'd like.
worn ember
i prefer not to mess with other peoples things if i dont have the expertise to do so properly lol
strange bane
Oops I made a comment on how strange something seemed then forgot to explain why I did it.
I'm gonna wait for feedback because I don't want to commit a single line comment change. 😛
unreal quarry
@strange bane what is this {# #} stuff? I've never seen HTML comments like that before
strange bane
It's a twig comment, they don't compile.
strange bane
Hehe, twig is a template language/engine it's a bit like PHP (and was made to work inside of PHP) but makes more sense. Just like PHP, it transpiles into HTML.
So, you can do things like loops, if statements and import other twig components. It's really useful.
wide hazel
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wide hazel
Interesting
stiff yarrow
neat
worn ember
@upper flicker nub
carmine mirage
help i have a error An internal error occurred while attempting to perform this command
worn ember
the world will end
woven otter
yes there is no escape now
native thunder
I think that's like internal bleeding?
Your server is leaking code not just on the outside but the inside
It's serious and you need to see a code doctor
woven otter
assuming it's not too late already
acoustic pilot
When Windows just locks up without doing a core dump (BSOD), that likely points to a memory issue, yeah? Had it happening a few days ago, seems root cause was likely a dusty interior, the issue went away after a thorough cleaning, but the trigger is probably memory related, yeah?
By lock up, I mean completely frozen in place.
cedar spade
I've had that happen from drive failures
strange bane
Whoa, Byteflux I've never experienced or seen that. Windows 10?
acoustic pilot
Yes, Windows 10 Pro
cedar spade
No BSOD, but a clicking drive caused Windows to keep locking up, and eventually everything froze completely
acoustic pilot
Most of my crashes usually end up a BSOD, and they are rare, but this was the first time I've experienced a complete freeze in Windows 10
acoustic pilot
The whole system was frozen in place, including graphics, but there was no audio playing at the time so wouldn't know if that was affected.
limber knotBOT
is the custom anvil inventory api broken? i tried to create it using Bukkit.createInventory(player, InventoryType.ANVIL) - But i just get a "CraftInventoryCustom" and setting slots/inventory name/... does not do anything
acoustic pilot
Fortunately SSD still seems to be in good condition.
dapper nacelle
can someone review a couple of my classes?
if anyone is up for it I'll send the github link
strange bane
Please let me know what caused that Byteflux when/if you find out.
acoustic pilot
I'm going to just assume it was dust-related internal temperature increases in either the CPU or GPU that caused the lock up.
As cleaning the interior completely fixed it.
Wouldn't surprise me if a fan was stuck too from all the dust that was in there 😛
strange bane
CPUs are usually pretty good with dealing with heat, so I guess GPU is more likely.
Surely Windows stores sensor information in a log file, right?
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot it could be a memory issues but I'd say its more likely to be something else, as most memory issues actually do get logged 
strange bane
Have you checked Event Viewer? I doubt there'd be anything but you never know.
stiff yarrow
you can run memtest86 to be safe
acoustic pilot
It all happened before the weekend but I was just curious now what it could've been, completely resolved itself after a cleaning, was maybe thinking there was some failing hardware to be concerned about.
Should probably do a memtest
Haven't done one in at least 2 years lol
worn ember
has anyone here used appveyor to deploy to github releases? i keep getting errors for deploying and i cant quite figure it out
strange bane
Isn't it time software developers just stopped building/supporting 32bit? It's really annoying when they don't support 64bit to me.
worn ember
i build all my apps for x64 lol
strange bane
I had to reinstall Windows the other day and I made sure for every program it was 64bit if possible.
3 or 4 had no support for 64 bit at all.
cedar spade
how do you not support 64 bit
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot yeah its a good idea to just rule the memory out since its a nice reliable test
strange bane
Well, if you compile for 32bit you're not the one supporting 64bit.
WoW64 is the one doing the work.
cedar spade
Sure, but "no support" implies it breaks on 64-bit Windows
strange bane
I don't know how much overhead there is, or really if 64bit would add any performance benefit, I'd still appreciate it.
Just so there's less folders in Program Files (x86) if anything. xD
stiff yarrow
maybe their depends are built in 32bit and their living in a 32bit hell
acoustic pilot
If the program doesn't need to be 64 bit, why should it?
cedar spade
Unless you're still writing software for 16 bit Windows, it should still run on a 64 bit machine
strange bane
How hard can it be just to compile to native 64bit?
cedar spade
Dropping support for any 32 bit machines?
pulsar wigeon
some software hard-checks bitness for some reason
strange bane
You can build for both at once, 32 bit machines should be dead.
cedar spade
There were still 32 bit machines around when Windows 8 landed
pulsar wigeon
i use some scientific software that just checks bitness for presumably no reason and fails if it's wrong. i removed the check with some cil bytecode manipulation and the software worked fine
so pretty much like that crates guy who made his plugin not work on paper
unreal quarry
@strange bane and those $400 laptops shouldn't be used to play Minecraft. Yet ppl still do it
strange bane
Luckily, Windows 7 doesn't have long left anyway. 😛
unreal quarry
You think EOL stops people?
strange bane
I don't wanna think about it. xD
stiff yarrow
x64 should be a superset of x86 so I imagine x86 will always be supported
cedar spade
hey, my £150 laptop can run Minecraft perfectly well thank you very much
Windows relies on a compatibility layer to run 32 bit software on 64 bit versions of Windows
unreal quarry
So does Linux.
unreal quarry
Debian calls it multiarch
stiff yarrow
that sounds like an MMO son
strange bane
Named after World of Warcraft for their infamous absolutely disregard for 64 bit.
Completely not true BTW
acoustic pilot
Compatibility layer for running 32 bit apps on 64-bit Windows systems
cedar spade
^
strange bane
I know what it's for, but I have no idea what it has to do to pull that off.
stiff yarrow
looks like its a compatibility layer that does emulation
acoustic pilot
Only included on 64-bit versions of Windows
But there are still plenty who run 32-bit versions, too.
I'd think most of it is concentrated in Windows 7
cedar spade
It provides 32-bit versions of system calls, and depending on your CPU it either emulates x86 instructions (non-backwards compatible CPUs) or wraps around the entry point of programs (backwards-compatible ones)
strange bane
It's really good at doing it. Windows has always been great with compatibility.
Makes the guys at GOG's job much easier.
stiff yarrow
https://0xeb.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/StarCraft_EUD_Emulator.pdf btw guys this is a neat write up that is semi related
unreal quarry
You remember that time they were showing off usb plug and play compatibility and the thing bsod on stage? ^_^
stiff yarrow
it's actually nutty how they did this
in the pdf
they mapped out all memory addresses that used to be used for buffer overflow injections
and they wired them up to their modern values in the remaster
strange bane
Isn't that how all emulation works?
stiff yarrow
yes but its still a neat feat to go and analyze thousands of custom maps for overflow exploits
strange bane
BTW JavaScript emulators are freaking amazing, I had no JavaScript would be able to emulate consoles.
stiff yarrow
and then compile a list of exploited addresses
strange bane
cedar spade
you can write an emulator in most languages, just some are better than others
strange bane
It's in browser!
pulsar wigeon
yea you can emulate most things in most things
just, not sure why you'd want to mostly
https://demo.os-js.org/ not emulating anything but just to make a point
pulsar wigeon
is that actually an emulator tho
stiff yarrow
I remember when people were clinging to 98SE for as long as they could
pulsar wigeon
oh it's an x86 emulator running win98
strange bane
Runs acceptably for me.
stiff yarrow
seems like they are emulating old hardware too 
stiff yarrow
never heard of this briefcase
strange bane
What's that?
cedar spade
It was in Windows for as long as I could remember, then I remember noticing it wasn't available in Windows 8 but at the time I assumed it just got hidden (which is correct)
pulsar wigeon
o yea i remember that
strange bane
You've actually used it?
strange bane
I think it's like OneDrive's syncing?
pulsar wigeon
fuck nossr i just realized this SC exploit pres is 95 slides
stiff yarrow
its addictive tho
stiff yarrow
yeah
pulsar wigeon
but the POV seems to be an external party?
stiff yarrow
this is a blizz dev who did this for the remaster
pulsar wigeon
did he do this stuff before working for blizz?
pulsar wigeon
or does blizz just not have proper tooling for their own software LUL
i mean that's possible too
but he's using third party editors, mpq extractors, doesn't have debug symbols, etc...
stiff yarrow
I mean to not have an image of your codebase from the 90s is kind of acceptable given the wild west of source management kind of sucked back then
he states early on that they lost the code for starcraft
pulsar wigeon
2009 but yea sure
stiff yarrow
he had to reverse engineer the executable with a decompiler
bro starcraft was not 2009
void void
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
1.16.1 was
stiff yarrow
oh
stiff yarrow
didn't realize they kept patching it that long
wtf who lost the codebase then
how careless
vestal jasper
starcraft is as old as I am 
pulsar wigeon
oh
stiff yarrow
I thought it was like 'we made this in the 90s patched it once or twice and shoved the images in a closet'
cedar spade
rup
pulsar wigeon
i mean they have a closeish source
they just don't have debug symbols for the release build
so he rebuilds some nearby source with a vc 2003 compiler or whatever
stiff yarrow
yeah
pulsar wigeon
to get something close to 1.16.1
stiff yarrow
he didn't have the same ver
he had to do some decompiling on the executable in some of those slides
to figure some shit out
@vestal jasper SC1 was basically my obsession at 10 years old or w /e
I loved that game
pulsar wigeon
same
pulsar wigeon
wew
stiff yarrow
I'm 30 
vestal jasper
21
pulsar wigeon
gross
vestal jasper
:(
stiff yarrow
brood war was my jam
pulsar wigeon
vicarious writes in kotlin
vestal jasper
actually I'm writing in java rn
stiff yarrow
Java master race 
vestal jasper
I'm working on plugins that I'm actually going to submit to spigot
pulsar wigeon
wtf go back to dwellings
strange bane
So many mixed feelings on Koltin.
vestal jasper
semi public
stiff yarrow
you all need to get on the premium plugin wave
pulsar wigeon
cuz nossr and i were talking about how we need some stuff to oust the shittiness of P2
vestal jasper
I want to release some smaller plugins first 
stiff yarrow
strange bane
nossr is on another level though, it's premium but also open source.
strange bane
Don't you have a build server?
vestal jasper
Bro mvn clean install is a really hard command to run :/
stiff yarrow
I literally upload my builds to black spigot same time as I do spigot
vestal jasper
I'm retarded too tho
pulsar wigeon
the concept of using a command prompt/terminal is absolutely alien to them
that's why they all use shitty web panels
stiff yarrow
leaking my own plugin
vestal jasper
I use shitty web panels but that's because I'm a lazy fuck
I also setup the panel myself
stiff yarrow
DRM is basically 0.01% effective
strange bane
VestaCP is a great free web panel.
stiff yarrow
embrace the pirates
strange bane
It's Apache though, so... you know.
vestal jasper
@stiff yarrow best anti piracy measures are to make something great and make it worth enough to spend money on
strange bane
I haven't used mcMMO in ages.
stiff yarrow
no drm
open source
I leak my software on leak sites
almost 1000 sales in 90 days
vestal jasper
@pulsar wigeon implying anyone would use dwellings
strange bane
mcMMO has that reputation though, the kind that players even know what it is
vestal jasper
noss it's only a matter of time before I beat you in pepe usage
strange bane
Paper $50/mo for commits
strange bane
Also, is Spigot really free?
normal echo
Wasn't the original mcmmo free? 😉
strange bane
Bukkit had no premium option. I'm sure nossr tried.
It still is free, in the sense that you have to put effort in and build it
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vestal jasper
strange bane
Dear. God.
strange bane
It has been found 10 times in the last decade, only now has a person discovered it and not had a heart attack.
stiff yarrow
@strange bane hell no lol
I didn't even know people were selling Minecraft mods until Dec 2018
like I legit would have thought that not possible
cedar spade
imagine maintaining a plugin that even players had heard of
normal echo
yeah like SupremeCommandControlV5
strange bane
Very few plugins have that privilege.
tropic flame
but muh GPLv3
pulsar wigeon
gpl allows you to sell it tho
strange bane
Essentials, mcMMO, "non-descriptive crates plugin"
pulsar wigeon
it just says you also have to give people the source code if they ask
stiff yarrow
GPL is a commercial license you dingus
tropic flame
lmao i was jk
vestal jasper
Bruh I'm not selling my plugin I'm just selling support for it. Downloads are also just restricted to those people 
golden gust
ur a dingus
tropic flame
my joke was more for the premium plugins that still don't disclose source... not appliable to mcmmo
strange bane
Understandable.
pulsar wigeon
yea i mean everything that touches bukkit is technically gpl restricted :^)
vestal jasper
technically if it's on spigot you're disclosing source. to spigot
normal echo
is React open source now?
pulsar wigeon
so you could bring that up and demand their source code
strange bane
React has always been open source..?
cedar spade
Doesn't mean they'll comply
pulsar wigeon
but they can say no and then you'd have to go to court and no one's doing that
but technically
tropic flame
imagine your plugin being so shit you tell others to "feel free to decompile the plugin to see what it does" instead of just straight up putting the source code on github
(this one is free btw)
strange bane
Probably uses Eclipse.
vestal jasper
Imagine not subscribing to OSS
cedar spade
ez, just time travel, contribute to Bukkit and then DMCA to your heart's content
strange bane
or Netbeans.
vestal jasper
omegalul
tropic flame
lmao I use netbeans and I still use maven
stiff yarrow
if you don't open source your shit you're a dingus most the time
tropic flame
in fact Netbeans seems not to let me make a "non-dependency manager project" anymore
I gotta pick one
vestal jasper
@stiff yarrow you OSS your shit and you're still a dingus
stiff yarrow
closed source plugin to me is red flag most the time
what kind of awful code are they hiding
pulsar wigeon
don't need debugging features if you have no bugs
unreal quarry
No such thing as a closed source plugin. They're all gpl by inheritance
pulsar wigeon
oh, user debugging
stiff yarrow
wait does that mean I can DMCA all these closed source plugins on spigot
pulsar wigeon
no
stiff yarrow
vestal jasper
If anyone does retarded shit I'll be able to force them to run it and send me the screenshot
pulsar wigeon
dmca is if someone infringes your copyright
not if someone is using licences inappropriately
stiff yarrow
so I gotta go back in time and contribute to bukkit
pulsar wigeon
you can demand that they give you their source code though
under the terms of the gpl
stiff yarrow
if I was a millionaire I'd do that kind of shit for laughs
pulsar wigeon
right
tropic flame
yeah and then they give you the source and you distribute it for free 
pulsar wigeon
does spigot plugin submission require authors to disclose source to spigot actually
stiff yarrow
they decompile it themselves
pulsar wigeon
you could argue that spigot is distributing the binary and thus is responsible to distribute the source as well
then you only have to sue spigot
not every single plugin author
vestal jasper
sounds like a plan
stiff yarrow
I would only want to make the dingus who closed sourced his plugin feel bad
not spigot
pulsar wigeon
(actually, that's true even if spigot doesn't have the source)
vestal jasper
I mean making spigot feel bad is a bonus 
vestal jasper
even better
tropic flame
ew
stiff yarrow
is it legal to decompile
unreal quarry
Yes
pulsar wigeon
yes
tropic flame
y'all say Sponge is a better ecosystem but you'll see when/if all the server owner kids move to it
keep them on Spigot
pulsar wigeon
some authors might put licenses on that say you're not allowed to decompile
stiff yarrow
better ecosystem?
pulsar wigeon
but then they'd have to take you to court
tropic flame
I don't know that's the words I see people using
pulsar wigeon
and they'd lose that too since their license is invalid
stiff yarrow
that's def the wrong word
tropic flame
🤷 just paraphrased other people talking about it
stiff yarrow
makes me chuckle when I see the "DONT DECOMPILE T HIS PLUGIN" notices
I was linked one earlier that said something like "DONT LEAVE BAD REVIEWS THIS IS A BINDING CONTRACT"
pulsar wigeon
wat
tropic flame
decompiling for personal purposes
vestal jasper
oh
tropic flame
wait what is that actually real
stiff yarrow
it was written in a different way
vestal jasper
vestal jasper
You may not decompile and/or edit the source code without written permission from JC_Plays_MC.
vestal jasper
If you have any issues with the plugin you will contact me via PM and I will help you with your issue before you post a negative review stating something like "The plugin doesn't work".
vestal jasper
legit in the TOS section of the plugin
stiff yarrow
why would you not give refunds?
vestal jasper
The person thinks these rules are enforceable
stiff yarrow
I give refunds when asked I want my paypal to be squeaky clean
pulsar wigeon
yea paypal would give you a refund in a second
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
loool
vestal jasper
you cannot file a dispute
limited to 3 servers
cannot decompile
I'll do whatever I damn well please
Unless he has custom compiled versions per buyer and pings home there's no way he'll ever know I have it on more than 3 servers
stiff yarrow
drm 🤢
pulsar wigeon
in which case you decompile/reflectively remove drm
stiff yarrow
let's just put unnecessary shit in your plugin code that won't help sales at all
he has 1000 purchases with a 3 star rating
vestal jasper
max 3 servers
How do you even get around this, assuming it's enforeable?
Iirc alt accounts are kinda on spigot
do you just force the person to pay you on paypal? 
tropic flame
even if it's enforceable, what if I change the no permission messages to "unknown command use /help for help"
how do they find it
stiff yarrow
some people are just control freaks
like I get not wanting enterprise software to have a single license used on 2000 pcs
but this is a minecraft plugin
vestal jasper
Fun fact, I used that plugin.
If you change the menu_size at all it prevents the plugin from working to any extent
Which means you're limited to 7 entries in the menu
stiff yarrow
I actually pay for software licenses like a gud boy 👼
legal windows
legal intellij
legal everything
tropic flame
I also have legal windows
tropic flame
lmao I wanna see when plugins will start adopting java 11
stiff yarrow
probably not until Mojang does
pulsar wigeon
i mean, the server still runs 8 because mojang does
stiff yarrow
actually isn't 12 out
vestal jasper
Imagine actively spending the time to support 1.7.10
pulsar wigeon
so yea
tropic flame
I mean most plugins were already asking for Java 8 before Mojang upped the requirement
pulsar wigeon
nah
stiff yarrow
tropic flame
used to be 6 for vanilla and CB, 7 for Spigot
stiff yarrow
tropic flame
and 8 for Paper
stiff yarrow
are you talking about server software or plugins now
vestal jasper
how long has paper been around? since which version
tropic flame
1.7.10 protocol hack
vestal jasper
huh
stiff yarrow
good question
tropic flame
@stiff yarrow I meant that most plugins were already asking for 8 before the server software requirements were
upper flicker
1.7.3? .6?
golden gust
1.6.x is the earliest builds I've seen
upper flicker
Spooky
tropic flame
Paper 1.6? damn
vestal jasper
spoopy
golden gust
Spigot was like 1.4.2 or something like that
tropic flame
md once said on twitter he found builds of Spigot 1.2
vestal jasper
was Z the one to start paper or did he take over
golden gust
I might have too actually, 1.4 is just my most comfortable one to say lol
tropic flame
funny though because I can't find them anywhere else
stiff yarrow
what was t he first edit to paper, like there must have been 1 thing that was bothering you so you forked spigot just to change it
tropic flame
doesn't Spigot Wiki have a page about that
oh nvm
you said Paper
Paper could also have a history page tho
tropic flame
there's a Paper 1.7 repository
tropic flame
golden gust
#MovePaperToSVN
tropic flame
ew
vestal jasper
stiff yarrow
vestal jasper
this is the earliest commit in the 1.7.10 branch by Z that I can find
tropic flame
md_5?
vestal jasper
yes
stiff yarrow
10 am
vestal jasper
@static badge makes my brain hurt. hard to comprehend what the retard says
pulsar wigeon
LUL
also nossr why am i not trusted in your discord
fix this bug asap
critical priority
vestal jasper
make me trusted too
stiff yarrow
honestly I am paranoid you are gonna booly people in the discord
pulsar wigeon
wat no
pulsar wigeon
i can tell
stiff yarrow
its like PG
vestal jasper
I'm more liable to ban myself than get banned
pulsar wigeon
you have little pictures everywhere
trusted doesn't mean mod powers
it just means fancy color
vestal jasper
what color
vestal jasper
tfw I wouldn't even see the color
tropic flame
I found a decent dark theme for GitLab lol
upper flicker
I just use darkreader everywhere
pulsar wigeon
woah
upper flicker
Especially now that it can switch between modes dynamically
pulsar wigeon
gief pls logics
finite wave
Looks bad
vestal jasper
using gitlab
not using carrier pidgeon
LOL
fuckin nerds
stiff yarrow
congrats you're colored now
upper flicker
Wow
stiff yarrow
I've warned my mods to ban you if you booly people tho
golden gust
I have one better
tame pendant
Anyone know what happens to villager trades when a 1.13 world is updated to 1.14?
golden gust
@vestal jasper hai
golden gust
Oh, I was expecting that to look more horrible 😦
finite wave
They probably carry over @tame pendant
limber knotBOT
That actually works well on the dark theme, hm
stiff yarrow
make t hat the new mod color @golden gust
vestal jasper
oh if you want it to look horrible
it looks very horrible
stiff yarrow
mod color sucks
limber knotBOT
That was apparently 00ff9e
golden gust
Wait
vestal jasper
It looks like a 15% brighter online icon
oh
I look like I did some retarded shit and you're punishing me
upper flicker
Make it white so it blends in with leaf and the other plebeian light theme users bg
finite wave
I want a fancy color too
upper flicker
But I didn’t say you were 😦
finite wave
☹️
stiff yarrow
mod color is actually the ugliest shade of both red and pink
vestal jasper
and I may be retarded but leaf is on a whole nother level
upper flicker
Mod color is fine
golden gust
upper flicker
Wait until you see contribs color
finite wave
I’m bored
stiff yarrow
god tier purple 
bold zephyr
purple ❤
golden gust
You took what your parents told you to heart
vestal jasper
do it pussy make me pink
golden gust
"Be yourself"
bold zephyr
make nossr purple
upper flicker
prplz has rights over all shades of purple
bold zephyr
no
stiff yarrow
need a pepe emoji role
finite wave
#cd7584
bold zephyr
nossr masterrace
stiff yarrow
bots will delete all pepe emojis not posted by the role
tropic flame
vestal jasper
upper flicker
tropic flame
stiff yarrow
tropic flame
vestal jasper
tfw your brain stops working and you go full retard
tropic flame
golden gust
We call that going leaf
vestal jasper
shell vine
vestal jasper
python users are retarded confirmed
stiff yarrow
never go full conrete
tropic flame
stiff yarrow
tropic flame
lol @vestal jasper I could also have put 
stiff yarrow
okay gonna go to sleep for reals
vestal jasper
kotlin
golden gust
nite hooman
tropic flame
good night noussr
vestal jasper
night noss
bold zephyr
good
tropic flame
worn ember
owo
dapper nacelle
will maven make sure I am using the latest version of paper?
for developing plugins
void void
more or less
dapper nacelle
good
worn ember
ValveTime
worn ember
of
vestal jasper
I also lost my liscence to purr
golden gust
I was just worried we might make you seem special if we leave you with a color and stuff
And well, that would be an horrific representation of us, imho
❤
strange bane
I can't believe people have a colour for not having a table.
pale plaza
limber knotBOT
I can't believe ppl typo color to colour that often
https://i.imgur.com/DkHtUcZ.png <--- proof that its a type, google is always right!
strange bane
It's marked it red for "There's no way this is what you meant, no-one confuses colour and color"
limber knotBOT
https://i.imgur.com/g6UExaN.png google is always right!!!
(ignore the fact that I have cloud based spell checking disabled so I am not actually asking google)
strange bane
I never have it enabled because I don't know what they actually send.
Is it just the word, sentence, paragraph, everything?!
upper flicker
sends errything in the field afaik
strange bane
Yeah, I'm not okay with that.
limber knotBOT
I don't have a reason to have it enabled
normal dictionary stuff is enough to catch my typos and make me look like I actually speak this language properly
(totally didn't typo dictionary in that sentence)
tropic flame
lol I forgot Firefox now blocks autoplay by default, gotta enable it for Youtube
upper flicker
I love that it does that
upper flicker
even for youtube, because I fire off like 10 tabs of youtube videos
limber knotBOT
chrome only autoplays if the tab is in focus
so if you fire off 10 tabs only one plays
upper flicker
yeah but then you accidentally switch to one while youre reordering
or misclick
and it starts playing
tropic flame
I mean, with youtube it technically only loads the video if you switch to its tab
upper flicker
there might be a chrome flag for that
tropic flame
so it's kinda the same thing
upper flicker
but I havent seen it
definitely prefer the explicit activation
but I get why others might not
limber knotBOT
is there no site setting for that?
tropic flame
the setting is per site already
limber knotBOT
ah nom just for sound, not for videos
limber knotBOT
I was speaking about chrome here
tropic flame
oh well whatever then
upper flicker
it looks like there's an Autoplay policy flag in chrome://flags
but I dont see an option for element activation
just document activation
which I think is the default
zenith dragon
any cosmetics plugins for paper that anyone knows of? current one we're using is nothing but trouble.
strange bane
If it works for Spigot it works for Paper usually.
zenith dragon
yeah the one we're currently using literally is the only plugin we have that causes errors in our console
so wanted to see if there were better options hahah
strange bane
There's that paid one everyone seems to use, but I don't know, never tried any.
Go on the test plugins server and look around maybe?
tropic flame
upper flicker
dark reader
zenith dragon
yeah just found one that has a test server so going for a browse
strange bane
Does 1.13 store structure locations anywhere? Doesn't seem like it.
wide chasm
I'd hope so, since we have the locate command and the server would die if it had to loop through the entire world.
strange bane
No, I think the locate command does it by seed.
wide chasm
Combined with the world generator settings I then assume?
strange bane
Yeah, I'm only basing that off the fact Mojang has completely dropped stronghold locating support for those in lower than 1.13 for /locate and eye of enders.
It's really annoying and I need to find a fix for it.
English.exe has stopped working. xD
wide chasm
Weren't there programs that could find certain structures for you? Amidst or something like that it was called I think.
strange bane
Yeah, they're online too now.
wide chasm
You could try look into what they do and see if that can be of use.
strange bane
The thing is, I don't think chunks store which version they were generated in.
pseudo island
Would a player head be considered an "entity" or a block? 🤔
strange bane
Block.
tropic flame
a really laggy block
pseudo island
Do you think I'd be able to use Paper's built-in anti-xray for hiding them? 🤔
strange bane
Uh, yes but only if they're covered on all 6 sides.
strange bane
Or just delete them all in MCEdit.
pseudo island
yeah
Btw one other question. Do you know if theres a way to retain NBT data after putting, say, a beacon block down on the ground?
trying to design a minigame similar to UHC, but you hide custom heads/blocks
wide chasm
I think beacons now store their display name so it's visible when placed down, so either only that is saved, or the entire NBT thing
strange bane
Yeah, vanilla Minecraft does support some stored NBT in blocks.
pseudo island
👌 thx!
strange bane
Everything is so not clearly labeled in this method that I'm not fully sure what it's doing. xD
I think it's using the seed, but there's also nested for loops.
pulsar wigeon
huh
3:07 PM] Blazzike: Yeah, vanilla Minecraft does support some stored NBT in blocks.
???
in tileentity/blockentity?
or in an actual block
limber knotBOT
Only TEs store NBT
limber knotBOT
Actual blocks do not have NBT, they have blockstates
pulsar wigeon
well no, itemstacks
strange bane
I don't know, I just remember seeing a Minecraft map that had some kind of NBT on it, but I don't remember basically anything from it.
Has anyone had to mess with StructuredGenerator#getNearestGeneratedFeature before?
ashen pebble
coral bramble
wide chasm
Welcome x2
pulsar wigeon
Z i am pretty disappointed. dark reader is super slow and it messed up my firefox theme. address bar is all white now :\
i can make it black with the dark reader option but i can't use my own theme
upper flicker
mine hasnt done that
pulsar wigeon
so that's gonna be a nope from me
upper flicker
I did know its slower on FF for some reason
usually its tolerable enough for me though
you can run it in the opposite, where its default off and just enabled for certain sites I think
maybe thatll work better, iunno
pulsar wigeon
yea maybe
was hoping for a one size fits all but that is probably optimistic
i don't use very many sites anyway so w/e
upper flicker
it comes close-r-ish
but even then nop
you still gotta occasionally whitelist and blacklist stuff
pulsar wigeon
i just use themes/addons for the specific sites i need
i was just missing a gitlab one til now
upper flicker
idk why it'd mess with the browser's theme though
that's new to me
I usually use the dark theme so maybe I didnt notice
pulsar wigeon
i just toggled the setting and my browser theme went poof
had to disable addon + restart browser to get my theme back
ornate spindle
might just be me, but this annoys me too https://i.tcpr.ca/MUMtteX
tropic flame
Wait what's that
unreal quarry
Me too @ornate spindle
ornate spindle
warnings
unreal quarry
I am very displeased with the recent annotations requirement. All my projects lit up yellow :/
ornate spindle
is there a way to view all warnings in a project?
ornate spindle
holy fuck
ornate spindle
https://i.tcpr.ca/qvi39hM Paper 1.12.2
tropic flame
hmm, but is that something added to IntelliJ recently?
limber knotBOT
Spigot added nullability annotations to the api
unreal quarry
upper flicker
its the IDE giving you feedback based on the annotations in the API
limber knotBOT
your IDE should tell you when stuff could be null, only annoyance is that it's often easy to predict when it will/won't be null, it's one of those "nice to have" things, but bukkits is a mess
e.g. getItemMeta is Nullable, but the only time it's ever null is if you try to get the meta of AIR
upper flicker
this is kind of the textbook example of why just duct taping nullability annotations on after the fact is not necessarily great
limber knotBOT
^^
upper flicker
50000 cases are notnull
one weird ass random unused case is null
whole thing gets to be warned and null checked
tropic flame
I mean, I actually recall seeing that when using Netbeans, but I thought it was something from the IDE because Eclipse didn't use to show me that
upper flicker
if you were designing from the ground up you'd refactor out that one case
tropic flame
I don't know if I disabled it on the IDE settings lol
unreal quarry
Eclipse is just dumb
limber knotBOT
Might be some plugin or setting to enable it, but from what I've seen it's at least not on by default
unreal quarry
Want to know my fav annotation? The ones added to onCommand params. It's yellow if I don't put them in my plugin too. But to put them in my plugin I have to add jetbrains dependency to maven \o/
limber knotBOT
Can anybody identify what that giant orange tit at 9:25 is here. https://timings.aikar.co/?id=ffcbc166e57744a9ac63d6a870906129
left yacht
discord also likes to randomly place me in the paper-dev channel when I tab back into this thing.
qxt, seems like a spicy amount of endermen.
unreal quarry
upper flicker
I think I'd probably just disable that inspection if I didnt use them
limber knotBOT
seriously endermen?
tropic flame
can't you use @SuppressWarnings for null warnings?
left yacht
I don't know your hardware so I can't guess what you should be able to handle.
limber knotBOT
dual x2 2630v3 xeons
left yacht
56% of your tick is entities with 12% of your tick being purely endermen teleporting around probably.
that's not great ST wise.
dope for minigames though.
but yeah. let me google what the hell that actually runs at.
limber knotBOT
Titanic I can allocate more recourses to that instance is needed.
But this is what the server is https://paste.debian.net/1073391/
ornate spindle
more ram = nothing
you need high single thread performance for minecraft, even rust is like that actually
limber knotBOT
Yeah I have noticed that 6GB is more then enough for the 15ppl on that server.
limber knotBOT
I don't think ram is the issue. These are my flags flags: -Xms6G -Xmx6G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -Dusing.aikars.flags=mcflags.emc.gs
gc:
left yacht
it's basically the limited single thread performance of those dual xeons. They aren't suited to the workload you're using them for.
but to solve your actual problem, it's entities. Go on a murdering spree and/or using mob stacking plugins.
does that bot show edited messages.
unreal quarry
@upper flicker then what's the point of having those annotations in the API if we are just going to disable/suppress/ignore them? Kinda defeats the entire purpose, making the "nice to have" more of a "gets in the way"
limber knotBOT
Very possible TitanicFreak. Not the highest clockspeeds on the 2630 xeon.
stable oriole
@unreal quarry You should be able to use javax's @Nonnull annotation as a replacement At least in my experience
ornate spindle
dual cpu setups aren't ideal within minecraft
golden gust
The issue is is that you either adjust your code them them now or over time, or just surpress them, we can't really fix them without either breaking the contracts that those nullability annotations provide or breaking plugins
unreal quarry
Burn them all!
golden gust
getItemMeta is a fun example of everything wrong with the annotations 😄
upper flicker
I meant just the command parameter overrides specifically, not all of them
limber knotBOT
Yive electroniccat I could pin the cores from one CPU to that minecraft instance.
unreal quarry
Plugin#getCommand is fun, too. Because who the fuck is going to try and get a command that they didn't put in plugin.yml
limber knotBOT
So there is no ding-donging threads I guess
unreal quarry
That whole annotation PR pisses me off, tbh. I'll just sit down and breathe now.
limber knotBOT
pinning would likely help a bit, but the overall fact is that xeons suck for single threaded performance
Also, the Mhz rating of a CPU on the face is useless
limber knotBOT
A 1.8 Ghz CPU from 2002 is going to have nothing on a 1.8Ghz CPU from 2019 (if they still exist)
It's not even that
left yacht
also IPC differences
limber knotBOT
It tells you how fast the clock runs
left yacht
well within a same arch you can compare them
limber knotBOT
not really
The specs changed, people have had yeeeaaars to slither in improvements across the board for making the CPU do what it needs to do faster
E5-2630v3 think I bought them in 2015 IIRC
Forgot to check the v on the sheet, v3 was Q3'14
left yacht
you can buy them afterwards, they keep selling them for awhile.
he may of bought them second hand.
left yacht
what you need is one of these, https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/120496/intel-xeon-platinum-8180-processor-38-5m-cache-2-50-ghz.html
limber knotBOT
yeah reading that now. They only boost up to 3.20 GHz
left yacht
(sarcasm)
limber knotBOT
The ones I am using are 2.4GHz but can boost up to 3.20Ghz. Doing watch -n1 "grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo |sort -k4rn"
turbo boost helps but doesn't help the overall fact that your CPU is old
Grab a timings report
left yacht
he did, earlier. https://timings.aikar.co/?id=ffcbc166e57744a9ac63d6a870906129
I don't like command functions by the way.
limber knotBOT
So a four year old Xeon computer with 256GB or ram cant handle 15ppl ?
golden gust
Timings cost is about expected, not an ideal value but not critical
left yacht
uh it can handle it, you just got too many entities
golden gust
You mostly just need to configure it to cater for the slower CPU
command functions also eat up 20% of how long a tick should take
ornate spindle
just a small warning, most stackmob plugins cause a ton of lag when killing the stacked entities
limber knotBOT
Yeah I am not going to stack mobs.
ornate spindle
rip performance then
limber knotBOT
Just running vanilla ... almost.
ornate spindle
honestly your lag could be coming from dropped items too
neat path
limber knotBOT
I normally never have under 19.95...something happened though at 9:25 that dropped it to 14 tps for a few min.
golden gust
There is a plugin called hordes that billy likes to point out to people that reduces natural mob spawns that you can't see, I'd suggest using that and dropping down your spawn limits maybe, if your world is also from vanilla, you might need to go around and kill some entities, not too sure on that one