But last I heared sponge is skipping 1.13?
#general
vestal jasper
ornate spindle
forge didn't really update to 1.13 until a month ago + it is nowhere near stable so not surprised they're skipping
primal topaz
one more question, does via version cause any game breaking issues when making 1.8 - 1.13.2 server? (1.8.8 being the base version.)
ornate spindle
nope, though does have quite a bit of overhead for the 1.9.4 -> 1.8.8 conversion
but it isn't really noticeable until 500+ players
primal topaz
okay, that's alright. I won't be reaching 500 players any time soon anyways :D
normal echo
If you want to provide the sampling data for 500 players Yive I'm sure we could improve it 😉
static badge
ur code slow
vestal jasper
ur slow
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ur braincells are slow
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ur retarded
vestal jasper
primal topaz
that escalated rather quickly
vestal jasper
don't worry about him dovy he's retarded
primal topaz
okay :Dddd
vestal jasper
no u
upper flicker
shame that redesign doesnt change the banner image display
I hate the gradient overlay thing they put over it
the original design was nicer
unkempt jungle
spiral garden
the redesign looks like something that would be behind an a11y option
everything is too damn big
but the icons are a bit nicer for some things
stiff yarrow
new pepe server 
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upper flicker
discord really needs to make a way to hide guilds
Ive just got it permanently scrolled down to hide the 6 damn pepe servers
spiral garden
emoji servers are a glitch in the discord matrix
so discord doesn't give a shit about them
upper flicker
true
stiff yarrow
@upper flicker
spiral garden
they should've deleted GW emojis imo
upper flicker
tf is gw emojis
stiff yarrow
spiral garden
gamewisp
static badge
hey look it's nossr
stiff yarrow
spiral garden
gamewisp is a now dead service that had a feature allowing people to upload global emojis
a bunch of people used that
or "abused" as discord looks at it
but with BTTV it was worse
austere ivy
How do you force IntelliJ to ignore unused methods.
All my event handlers are "unUsEd MeThOdS"
It's annoying.
wide chasm
I think you can disable it for methods with specific annotations.
heavy rapids
there's a setting tho
In that case you don't need that annotation
iirc one of the quick fixes is "Ignore for methods annotated @EventHandler" or something
heavy rapids
¯_(ツ)_/¯
finite wave
that’s lije
Isn’t that what he said?
Like
When would it suppress any other warnings
Than on your Eventhandler methods
heavy rapids
Well, if he put it on his class and has any helper methods that are unused, these warnings will be suppressed
finite wave
True
finite wave
Keep the warnings in though.
austere ivy
What?
finite wave
No need to remove them.
austere ivy
No ,_, I actually use warnings to fix my code and if I have 500 redundant warnings then it's cluttering the reason warnings are actually there.
finite wave
Why would your code be broken with warnings?
heavy rapids
TehBrian, you could make it so IntelliJ handles event handlers as entry points, then these warnings won't happen.
Warnings have a reason why they're called "warning"
austere ivy
.. .
heavy rapids
while they may be false positives, they indicate bad code
austere ivy
It's not broken with warnings.
They don't indicate bad code.
IIRC there's no other way to create eventhandlers.
finite wave
^
finite wave
?
heavy rapids
it is, after all it's the event handler
wide chasm
There are other ways to create event handler btw
austere ivy
Yeah, that's correct, but when I have 500 warnings cluttering up everything from my event handler..
Oh stef, how?
finite wave
heavy rapids
@austere ivy you could remove the @SuppressWarnings annotation and then select the quick fix for one of the unused warnings and choose the option which disables the inspection on all event handlers
that'd get rid of the false positive
deep shoal
how can I keep track of what the latest version of spigot is
wide chasm
@austere ivy You can use this: https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/plugin/PluginManager.html#registerEvent-java.lang.Class-org.bukkit.event.Listener-org.bukkit.event.EventPriority-org.bukkit.plugin.EventExecutor-org.bukkit.plugin.Plugin-boolean-
Although if it's not strictly necessary to use this, I'd stick with the one with EventHandlers.
austere ivy
lordkorea
you just told me the same thing
with more steps
I prefer to do things in code rather than in project settings.
heavy rapids
well, fair enough
deep shoal
how can I keep track of what the latest version of spigot is
finite wave
Look at buildtools
vestal jasper
Or use /version to know how far behind you are
deep shoal
I mean like version for maven dependency
and the server I use is a paper one so idk if the info returned by /version for paper is identical to the version I should be using for spigot
and also it just says how many versions behind I am
not what the version of the newest is
austere tree
finite wave
deep shoal
why are they all snapshot
finite wave
That’s normal
merry talon
Can you suppress a specific warning with that annotation? It's been so long
Tslint just does it with a comment and the rule name
mental meadow
wide chasm
Welcome
cursive narwhal
wide chasm
Welcome x2
cursive narwhal
heyo
low basalt
wide chasm
Welcome
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void void
leaf got 
again?
upper flicker
Yeah I keep hoping eventually he’ll figure out how to be normal
At this point it’s probably easier to just accept it as a stress relief tool
static badge
hard to be normal if ur exceptional
u know how to be exceptional tho
exceptionally retarded
upper flicker
Should just make a bot that’ll do it and let everyone have access
static badge
2
void void
yeah if someone adds emote to any leaf's message then he gets kicked
static badge
no u
void void
doesitworkyet
velvet stag
jolly merlin
tardy lynx
when's paper 1.15 due?
finite wave
Never
finite wave
.g when's paper 1.15 due?
limber knotBOT
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tardy lynx
xD
finite wave
Good enough
wide chasm
Paper Mario Color Splash gives you an early 1.15 build confirmed
normal echo
for paper 1.15, we're just gonna do paper 1.14 with viaversion automatically installed
and a bitcoin miner to pretend that there is some performance hit
tardy lynx
mining bitcoin on cpu lol
wide chasm
Don't forget to obfuscate the source, that way no one will ever know that you're mining bitcoin
tardy lynx
totally
tardy lynx
:P
left yacht
@tardy lynx XMR would be more likely
tardy lynx
Yeah
left yacht
gotta keep it on the downlow though.
tardy lynx
That's what I used to mine on my server
tardy lynx
it had a GT 1030 I couldn't remove without restarting so I decided to mine XMR on it
left yacht
nice
get one of those PCI-E hotswappable motherboards
where you can literally just install in a GPU whenever you feel like it
tardy lynx
got £5 of xmr in 4 months
heavy rapids
someone said minecraft collisions? ouch owie my MTV
tardy lynx
When I sold it several months ago
heavy rapids
an NMS channel? nice
ornate spindle
there also needs to be an anti premium plugin channel
especially targeting ones which are obfuscated
upper flicker
thats pretty much every channel here
tardy lynx
what if NMS was open source
upper flicker
people should be able to sell their work, all good whatever
we just dont help people with issues on premium shit
heavy rapids
obfuscated premium plugins -- make people pay for bitcoin miners
tardy lynx
Would we have much further progress with additions and optimisations?
upper flicker
no ones buying your 47 premium plugins to help find out that they are just typically poor quality mc stuff
heavy rapids
wait
people ask questions regarding their premium plugins and expect the people helping them to buy them first?
heavy rapids
Achievement get! Lose faith in humanity
ornate spindle
the worst is when you have to buy the plugin to get access to the api
wide chasm
They are now advancements, please keep up /s
heavy rapids
well, sounds like a good recipe for noone using the API
ornate spindle
and then they're like "just get the public plugin dev to support my premium plugin, I won't support their's"
tardy lynx
have a premium plugin but it's open source so people can just compile it themselves
heavy rapids
I can't quite understand people expecting volunteer support to help them earn money
upper flicker
I guarantee you there's at least ten people bitching somewhere if spigot or paper doesnt release day 1 when 1.14 comes out
heavy rapids
But then again, I'm a computer scientist, so the first five words suffice
upper flicker
and theyll complain its hurting their server's business
heavy rapids
Well, you guys would probably do an all-nighter for 1.14 if they forked out a fair share of their earnings :^)
static badge
gonna have async chunks in it?
is it gonna perform well
are my plugins going to work
z pls i need u
upper flicker
lol yeah there's a patch that's gonna be a "apply it if it applies, dont hold the update for it"
especially since they supposedly rewrote a bunch of the file stuff
golden gust
Yea, if async isn't dropped to get it out the door I'll be kinda surprised
heavy rapids
considering I'm still on 1.12 and plan on skipping 1.13 entirely: 1.13 had API breaking changes, right?
upper flicker
yes but it had a compatibility later to attempt to save some stuff
static badge
layer
upper flicker
no it had compatibility later
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2
static badge
ur retarded
ancient bolt
guys only 5 days to go
wide chasm
Until April 26th?
ancient bolt
yes
upper flicker
whats the 26th
wide chasm
Good to know, thank you
ancient bolt
Taylor Swift is dropping a new single
wide copper
wide chasm
Welcome
vocal sable
coarse urchin
when will paper 1.15 be out
wide chasm
Should be out yesterday
upper flicker
oh shit, top secret info leaking
wide chasm
At least you didn't tell about the bitcoin mining
tardy lynx
when's paper 1.16 out
wide chasm
When we've mined enough bitcoin
upper flicker
re: never
quasi valley
paper 1.6.4 support wen
upper flicker
if paper fizzles out Im going back to 1.7.3 beta and living a happy life there
quasi valley
doesnt protocolsupport support that version?
upper flicker
no idea
quasi valley
plays on 1.14 with beta
upper flicker
isnt even remotely the same as actually running it
upper flicker
yeah we cant see that
limber knotBOT
wut
upper flicker
is there some sort of confusion as to the meaning of that sentence
upper flicker
yes
wide chasm
Is that just a diagram or does it actually do that stuff?
upper flicker
both
limber knotBOT
it does that stuff
upper flicker
its like the svg and other 'rendered' previews
wide chasm
So GitHub is now also a CI it seems?
upper flicker
I didnt realize GH actions was going to let you do CI stuff
I thought it just let you orchestrate other services
limber knotBOT
and others can write services
dapper nacelle
<dependency>
<groupId>com.destroystokyo.paper</groupId>
<artifactId>paper-api</artifactId>
<version>1.13.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>
``` I want to compile this for 1.12.2like a "action" is just a dockerfile it seems
dapper nacelle
<version>1.13.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
and ppl write in that whatever they want: https://github.com/maxheld83/ghpages/blob/master/entrypoint.sh
dapper nacelle
v1_12_R1-SNAPSHOT won't work
limber knotBOT
thats the action for deplying to gh pages
upper flicker
1.12.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT
dapper nacelle
ty
upper flicker
apparently you can also upload a custom thumbnail for social media previews to repos now
thats new right? https://i.imgur.com/nhnUaeQ.png
wide chasm
Yes
dapper nacelle
all the Enums are fucked up\
they're different in 1.13
backwards compatibility sucks
upper flicker
I mean you couldve done that before
but uh if they just added zombie ai theyre still worthless
as anyone who's added zombie ai to giants knows
they just get stuck everywhere and their hitboxes are messed up and oof
the servers that actually use them end up writing stuff just for them
tropic flame
I mean if they added it I'd guess they would have fixed it too
upper flicker
I would not make that assumption
wraith oracle
upper flicker
idk if he said it was new, I just think he was showing what he was using it for
I didnt know you could use it to actually build anything
limber knotBOT
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german 
limber knotBOT
wow netflix, no 5.1 in english but in german its available?!
coarse urchin
Giant as spawn reinforcement
limber knotBOT
now I have to choose my suffering, 2.0 audio or german synchro
heavy rapids
great excuse for learning a language
upper flicker
well he's a german who speaks better english than most native speakers in here
dapper nacelle
loc.getWorld().spawnParticle(Particle.BLOCK_CRACK, loc, 12, 0.6, 0.6, 0.6, 0.15, Material.REDSTONE_BLOCK.createBlockData(), true);
this works fine in 1.13.2
createBlockData()
this method does not exist in 1.12.2 tho
anything I can use instead?
upper flicker
yes lots of API breakages
youre going to have to forego the idea you can copy pasta
you just send the data bit iirc
in 1.12
woven otter
who broke the APIs
heavy rapids
getTargetEntity? 🤔
dapper nacelle
it worked in 1.13.2
heavy rapids
yeah, just curious what that does
upper flicker
are you just going to bitch everytime you find a new api that isnt in an old version
because that's going to get old really quick
dapper nacelle
I suppose it will
static badge
hey 2 can you backport all of paper's api to 1.8.8 please
dapper nacelle
man, why do I have to support older versions
static badge
pls
unreal quarry
thats a big gap
dapper nacelle
hm..
unreal quarry
just do the sane thing. make a jar for each version. this whole idea of "lets support every version ever created in a single jar" is kinda old
dapper nacelle
I think I'll give up on backwards compatibility for now
golden gust
That reminds me of something I forgot to do yesterday
dapper nacelle
it's a too big of a pain
unreal quarry
way back when the original bukkit team was in control of CB a single jar was possible. but then right before they dropped the ball they introduced the nms versioning. then md_5 got his hands on it and misinterpreted the entire point/idea of it. as time goes on the compatibility between versions is lost. so much to the point that there are actually 5 different versions of 1.13.2 now
upper flicker
you can make a 1.7.10 server that shows all the new blocks in 1.13 so long as your getting the data right
its the behaviors of tiles and special blocks
thats the pain'
dapper nacelle
this is why you don't make critical api changes
I even try to do that in the project I'm working on all alone
unreal quarry
so what youre saying is never add new api?
finite wave
@unreal quarry We should backport Paper to 1.7, and start from there. Totally
unreal quarry
because if someone uses the new api it will break people that use older servers
finite wave
Or well not we, i'm not doing it.
woven otter
let's start from minecraft classic
finite wave
Let's start remaking MC in Rust but with Java & MCP version compat
woven otter
Let's create a game called CraftMine
heavy rapids
oh yeah but let's not use any concurrency for shits and giggles
unreal quarry
fun fact: every software has minimum dependency requirements. even android apps. the app developer has to set their minimum requirement to the lowest available API version that contains the API that they use. Trying to use said app on an older API will, well, break.. thats how things work. to expect Bukkit plugins to be any different is absurd
finite wave
Well, Billy... They are trying to do it stupidly.
vestal jasper
heavy rapids
Hoe up
static badge
wtf is that cancer
quasi valley
hoeld up
static badge
vic did I ever tell you ur retarded
vestal jasper
unreal quarry
if you want to make things ride/hold other things you should finish a prototype idea i had years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fNEuO1RRZ8
limber knotBOT
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vestal jasper
potent warren
Vicarious, using shaders? 🤔
vestal jasper
yes
finite wave
He is just trying to show off
limber knotBOT
21:11 <+DiscordBot> <Z750> well he's a german who speaks better english than most native speakers in here <--- writes*
You don't want to hear me speak English 😂
****types
finite wave
@upper flicker Give me all your IRC channels
limber knotBOT
ur not even on irc dumcordian
upper flicker
Hmm?
limber knotBOT
stfu
cunt
I can be everywhere at once.
registered 1 day ago
sorry but u dont qualify
Yeah i don't remember my other name.
vestal jasper
@static badge ur retarded
limber knotBOT
dang, 2015
static badge
ur retarded
golden gust
Honestly, IRC would be nicer for that
Only insanity it causes is the whole shift to individual servers vs everybody using some networks, especially as there is nothing stopping discord servers going crazy with channels
limber knotBOT
bridges4lyfe
deft adder
unreal quarry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS3O0OOn0a0 idk why i'm laughing/smiling so much watching this. its not even that funny
limber knotBOT
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quasi valley
ingenious
faint blaze
deep shoal
when an event is called does the thread wait for all listeners to finish
faint blaze
So if i wanted to run a hamachi server with plugins, would paper work?
quasi valley
if you're not starting another async thread in your listener then yes @deep shoal
finite wave
@faint blaze Yes
faint blaze
And would it be easier to setup than Spigot? because i haven't ran/been on a server in almost 5 years and im really not sure what im doing
deep shoal
it's so easy to set up though
finite wave
Easier
finite wave
.download
deep shoal
how so?
limber knotBOT
finite wave
Just run the correct jar file from there and it is set up.
Spigot requires build tools.
ornate spindle
paper is what spigot was to craftbukkit if that makes sense
coarse urchin
Paper 1.14 better be released like this https://youtu.be/B_14UuARmIs
limber knotBOT
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faint blaze
i have no clue what craftbukkit is
finite wave
Yeah no worries, no one uses it. 😏
ornate spindle
spigot is a fork of craftbukkit
faint blaze
do i still have to do the stuff with Git?
ornate spindle
nah paperclip does all the compiling for you
faint blaze
because honestly I don't have much computer knowhow so i'm not very good at this
limber knotBOT
faint blaze
so i downloaded the lastest one and tried running it but it pings and doesn't do anything
void void
wut
finite wave
Pings?
finite wave
Don't think that's it. Did you accept the eula?
vestal jasper
Wat
upper flicker
you open cmd, you type java -jar paperclip.jar
and it will either run, or tell you why it wont run
if youre double clicking it, stop
unreal quarry
if only there was a way a jar could self detect if it was double clicked or ran from terminal 
finite wave
Well, just make a gui for it and don't bother
unreal quarry
you mean the gui mojang put in but spigot removed?
finite wave
Yes yse.
So gud
But add an option to not use it.
Fixed.
--nogui <----
Did City leave
upper flicker
you can but its not as straight forward as you'd like
unreal quarry
i should make a PR to add all that back in
quasi valley
practically every tutorial includes that quite a few years old tag
upper flicker
and stuff lies and then you get the gui even when you dont want it
unreal quarry
i kinda liked the gui, tbh. i only ever not used it on production since its headless. but in my dev environment i usually used it
was sad when it was removed
upper flicker
tbh I didnt think it was all that interesting
there are certainly plugins and panels that do it much better
vestal jasper
Would be nice for my test server
I'm not going to setup a panel for test servers and the gui is cozy
ornate spindle
I kinda wish minecraft servers had an option which would "load" chunks so that players can view it from afar, but just not tick them until a player is close enough
tropic flame
I mean I remember seeing some sort of GUI program in bukkit forums (yes that place is still alive)
and the program was actually updated
tropic flame
what?
unreal quarry
@ornate spindle i've seen a PR or issue on GH about just that. but cant find it now.. was going to link you
tropic flame
I kinda wish minecraft servers had an option which would "load" chunks so that players can view it from afar, but just not tick them until a player is close enough isn't that kinda how bedrock edition works
it would make the world a bit "static" unless you were there though
unreal quarry
dont get me lieing. i know nothing about bedrock other than it's main focus point is the store front for microtransactions.
the rest of the game is just a gimmic to get you to use said store front. its not real minecraft
ornate spindle
@unreal quarry this? https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/1531
ornate spindle
it would improve survival servers so much imo
unreal quarry
it would, but would be a huge maintenance burden I dont want to think about
ornate spindle
true, hope mojang does that for us someday
Craftbukkit already (supposedly) ticks chunks further away from the player less frequently, meaning that we're not really gaining any considerable gains here anyways at the cost of complicating state
``` anyone able to confirm this?where is that quoted from?
ornate spindle
the issue linked above
carmine mirage
tropic flame
uh
finite wave
@golden gust who wrote it can confirm
tropic flame
@static badge is that your second account
finite wave
@carmine mirage
tropic flame
since you're the weeb one here Spotted
unreal quarry
@carmine mirage because i wanted to know your name... ya got me
carmine mirage
Hey but do you know how to fix this line in my minecraft paper server console ''Paper: do you wish to see to see all 1812 possibilities (1812 lines)?'' It is in my console and i cant type anything in my console please help
golden gust
press n
golden gust
It's asking you a question as you pressed tab and it saw a lot of results back
golden gust
I mean, if I hit that, I just press escape a few times and press n, usually works
finite wave
Ctrl + C
finite wave
Have you tried turning it on and off again?
cedar spade
You don't have a Ctrl or C button?
carmine mirage
Yeah but it always comes back and again like after an 30 minutes or sometihng
finite wave
Don’t press Tab
carmine mirage
?
heavy rapids
well, stopping the server would end the input prompt, so you'd escape it that way, most likely. but it includes restarting the server, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
carmine mirage
ok
heavy rapids
are you using SSH?
golden gust
How are you controlling the server?
carmine mirage
It is my own console and i control it with my console
heavy rapids
windows?
heavy rapids
mh, I don't know a single thing about windows' console, sry
carmine mirage
ok doesnt matter
heavy rapids
depends on your question
heavy rapids
mh, I've never used multicraft, sry
but if you can locate your server directory you could try starting a copy somewhere else
do not delete anything old yet though
golden gust
That's the easiest option
If multicraft has any services installed you'll wanna disable & stop them
hard kernel
what command is for select??
heavy rapids
"select"?
golden gust
select?
hard kernel
like how to select that directory so i copy it
golden gust
cp source... target
heavy rapids
you can copy a directory with cp -R sourcepath targetpath
golden gust
and yea, -R because recursive
I totally don't use -R by muscle memory automatically these days
heavy rapids
if you're not familar with working on the command line, a graphical tool like WinSCP might help
(if that was the SFTP one, I'm unsure rn)
heavy rapids
If I did not mix it up with a different tool, it's like windows explorer, but for remote hosts.
some restrictions probably, but yes, graphical
hard kernel
i think ill stick to the commands
it seems to be the least restrictive
cat are you still lurking?
golden gust
Yes
If you google, there are some decent "intro to linux" type videos that should get you on the basics
hard kernel
yea i know... how much would i have to pay you to do this for me?
you have a good rep thats why i ask the cat
nova badge
So, curiosity for potential network revamp. What do some of you guys do to avoid or handle DDoS attacks. Multiple proxies, Load balancers, Paid services, or just rely on OVH mitigation?
golden gust
for copying files around, only a few bucks lol, but I'd really suggest going to read up on how to actually do this stuff
There is no point having somebody in to setup your server for you and not being able to keep ontop of it yourself
heavy rapids
OVH
golden gust
If there is no imminent reason you need to ditch multicraft, I'd honestly stick with it for a bit longer and try to get familiar with the environment
nova badge
^ He has a strong point on that. If you don't understand linux, there is no reason to use it. If not you'll have to keep paying someone who knows it to come and fix spontaneous issues that a hosting provider would otherwise solve for you.
hard kernel
they only offer 2 servers on the license i have and i wanna run bungee
oh i dont have a hosting provider
nova badge
If you can't afford the license, then you'd have to use another panel(again, needing someone with the knowledge to install and maintain patches) or learn linux.
Linux overall is very easy to learn for running minecraft.
tardy lynx
lol having to install 3rd party software for SSH, FTP and SFTP
hard kernel
i can afford the license its just i dont wanna pay for another license just to be locked down by multicraft
heavy rapids
I specifically made a shell script named like the admin and told them to only run ./theirname which puts them in the correct screen and window for the console lol
golden gust
not putting it in their .bashrc file
heavy rapids
well, the screen's running under mc, which I also use for maintenance
hard kernel
so cat man what is ur asking price?
heavy rapids
I did not find any way to get access to the screen from a restricted account
except magic f..ry
with unix domain sockets and pipes and stuff
which I couldn't bother myself to do
but then, I trust my admin to follow instructions :P
golden gust
Yea, there was ways to do it, required enabling multi user, dealing with some perms stuff and typing like user/screenname
heavy rapids
considering a simple ^C would end all my attempts to restrict them into the console anyways, I'll just hope® nothing bad happens
tardy lynx
open source
stable oriole
Microsoft already is leaning towards Win10 being the last windows version
heavy rapids
rolling release, or wdym?
stiff yarrow
all that would mean to me is it takes 10 years for the board at microsoft to decide "eh fuck it lets make a new release"
tardy lynx
tried to install windows 10 today
heavy rapids
my laptop had some low-end version of win10 preinstalled. it prevented me from running any non-windows-store app
including cmd.exe
stable oriole
Win10S
tardy lynx
diet windows 10
heavy rapids
that was a fun 10 minutes until I wiped the disk
stable oriole
When I send my PC out for repair, I'm backing everything up, and when I get it back, I'm installing arch linux
tardy lynx
What's better for safe storage, backups or raid 1?
heavy rapids
there's no excuse to make no backups
rule of 3: two backups on-site, one backup off-site
and the two on-site should be on different disks
stiff yarrow
@heavy rapids sounds like a virus disguising itself as windows
heavy rapids
I'll just call it the graphical installer for my linux
tardy lynx
i have no backup system tho ;(
heavy rapids
but when configuring the laptop on initial boot that microsoft AI thingy spoke to me unexpectedly
I jumped
modern tech's getting too scary for me
tardy lynx
elon musk buys windows and deletes it
placid thicket
How do you people feel about 16:10 aspects ratios at 1050p?
heavy rapids
4:3 @ 144p master race
limber knotBOT
Hi, I just saw this question https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55786964
unreal quarry
1080 is a minimum requirement for comfort
limber knotBOT
Is this a possible java bug?
heavy rapids
is that code excerpt your minimal viable code example for the behavior? i.e. is everything needed?
unreal quarry
^ was about to say.. can the example be shorter ^_^
ornate spindle
TIL that there is a limit to maps (item) and the server I run is ~4000 away from the limit
limber knotBOT
Not my question, but I have tested it and I am wondering how List#toString() would throw a ConcurrentModificationException if there are no further threads.
static badge
it uses an iterator
placid thicket
Someone should write a plugin that forces adventure maps to use the same I'd if they lead to the same chest
limber knotBOT
But nothing modifies the list.
placid thicket
Should really be a vanilla this g tbh
unreal quarry
@placid thicket then you could track other people holding the same map
static badge
yeah that one is weird
placid thicket
At the very least, 32,000 ids isn't enough
Before adventure maps it wasn't a huge deal
unreal quarry
It is for 20 players (what the game is designed for)
heavy rapids
isn't the limit removed in 1.14? 🤔
placid thicket
Do you know how long it takes to get 40 adventure maps in 1.13?
heavy rapids
I think I read something about that
unreal quarry
If it's not backed by a short anymore then there is no limit
IDK, haven't seen 1.14 code yet
placid thicket
No it certainly did not
unreal quarry
It's still backed by a short in 1.13
heavy rapids
then the wiki is wrong ¯_(ツ)_/¯
placid thicket
I don't even see that on the wiki
heavy rapids
History table for 17w47a
placid thicket
Same fam
unreal quarry
Give me a few minutes and I'll check the actual source. I'm on toilet right now :p
It's probably another one of those "let's store it in an int in memory, but save it to a short in nbt" thing
tardy lynx
what if mojang was actually good at programming
stiff yarrow
your brain on NBT 
placid thicket
Keep in mind expanding a map to max size uses 4 ids per a map
heavy rapids
smh
stiff yarrow
placid thicket
https://twitter.com/flanigomik/status/1120098478120525825
I directly asked dinnerbone, let's see if I get a reply
Twitter
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) @flanigomik (ian flanagan): @Dinnerbone my server is running out of map IDs! The amount used in 1.13 is crazy, can we get last second relief for 1.14? (5 minutes and 12 seconds ago)
placid thicket
As per what? I can't find info to support that
red halo
it has been tested?
void void
Enchant level?
heavy rapids
wiki states that, I haven't tried it myself
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) 4,294,967,296 is the map limit in 1.13 : 2b2t - 25 comments, 69 points - zkj4, 1y ago
red halo
ok its works still when it overflows
heavy rapids
minecraft storing values that are only used once per server/player as shorts to conserve memory
also minecraft: allocating blockpos whenever it feels like it
mfw
placid thicket
Anyone here feel like making a wiki edit to prevent this conversation again?
stiff yarrow
let me tell you a story
pulsar wigeon
wtf is a "map limit"?
stiff yarrow
enter the gungeons last expansion (not the new one) came out
I put a bunch of useful shit on the wiki
they ban me for making too many edits
they leave all my edits in place
takes them 2 weeks to unban me once they realize I'm not a spammer
never edit that wiki again
placid thicket
Do negative maps still not update or was that fixed too?
Ah, looks fixed in your video
heavy rapids
wikis are the worst when it comes to overenthusiastic staff
wikipedia as a prominent example
heavy rapids
"Notre Dame is a church in France[1]. Yada yada yada[2][3]. It is currently on fire[4]."
heavy rapids
camel case autocorrect? nice
placid thicket
Somebody write a Minecraft plugin that fixes autocorrect on my phone
heavy rapids
just turn it off
placid thicket
But then I wouldn't be able to spell!
heavy rapids
fcuk speiling
placid thicket
Hearing rapid fire Japanese and a lot of moaning from the TV in my living room... >.> Think I'll just stay in bed...
placid thicket
I live with my SO, who is a huge weeabo
placid thicket
Idk, i have been super worried for no reason.
Someone write a Minecraft plugin that updates the wiki automatically
heavy rapids
done, just use /wild
placid thicket
Someone write a next level plugin that writes plugins
heavy rapids
done, just use /wildception
unreal quarry
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wide hazel
whoever puts two spaces after every punctuation mark is a goddamned monster
trying to re-write engineering reports for my class
19 pages of fun
sadly as college students we've been trained to add lots of fluff to our everything in order to meet page requirements
aaaaand PERs require zero of that
just going through and removing sentences like "This design is incredible." and "New jobs could be established with this design, including.. blahblahblah"
nobody cares, Brian. Your job isn't to make new jobs.
stiff yarrow
@wide hazel I cry everytim
wide hazel
😦 this homework is a team project and it's due tomorrow, and NOBODY else on my team has even touched it
I've got a 19-page report and a 24-page report to slice apart
and a memo to write on the whole thing
wide hazel
I just finished my programming homework that was due tonight earlier today, and I have a full speech to write in two days that we have learned nothing for due to our schools being closed and classes being canceled so damned much this semester
I missed my last report for psych last week and am trying to catch up on that
also all next week I have a contract to work on
stiff yarrow
REEEE at your professor and get those naughty group project members spanked
wide hazel
lol
I'm just a little busy at the moment is all 😛
I might have time next week
since these are all essentially my finals
I'll have at least two classes worth of finals done
and a hefty paycheck
I'm tired T.T
just wanna go to bed
been sick the last three days
well, trying to get sick. Not fully sick yet, just enough to cough every now and then and feel more tired than usual
will be totally worth it, though. Hopefully. lol
golden gust
wait, is that egg ?
wide hazel
I know, I've been busy with school 😦
I didn't take any summer classes because goddamnit I just need a break
so I'll be back soon
am hanging out in general until then
golden gust
😛
wide hazel
this education thing is harder than I thought
the classes are easy enough, it's just the workload
that's killer
though this is the second time this semester I've done a team project entirely on my own, so maybe that's on me a bit
third if you count my programming class, but I think my teammates wanted to do it- they just needed a lot of assistance
so I don't count that as much
wide hazel
eh, long as I walk out of that class with a 3.5 or higher I'm good
Unrelated: as a kid, I loved to think that when I became an adult I could eat ice cream for breakfast and nobody would tell me no. As an adult, I know I can, but I'll also feel terrible and hate myself later
Cereal for dinner, however; totally okay.
Mmm, delicious off-brand cap'n crunch
stiff yarrow
@wide hazel you're gonna regret that kind of attitude in the long run
your time is valueable baby
don't let other people waste it
wide hazel
There's cold medicine in my shot glass
This does not make me happy
That's supposed to be full of whiskey. Or mead
Or rum
That is none of those things
stiff yarrow
is it just me or is that shot glass the size of a pitcher
onyx steeple
That looks like fruit punch. LMAO
wide hazel
It doesn't taste like fruit punch :(
It tastes like a rotten cherry that hated me took a liquid shit in my mouth
Also, it's actually a glass dessert cup but it works well as a shot glass
stiff yarrow
my interpretation of this story
egg found a full sized glass he normally store liquor in and chugged it
unbeknownst to him a roommate put cough syrup in it
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void void
So...
That feeling when someone decides to personally attack you for someone you did in a block game
Yeah apparently my discord account was terminated by some group who took my messages out of context
rough island
limber knotBOT
"Yeah apparently my disc****ord account was terminated by some group who took my messages out of context" Wow... watch your language, man.
full silo
Wtf happened there ^
fiery oracle
How can i disable Recibe book crafting? I tried to negate permission minecraft.autocraft but not working
unreal quarry
Pretty sure that permission was removed awhile ago. It was only there to prevent a dupe bug and once the bug was fixed was removed.
static badge
why disable recipes?
golden gust
no longer needed for items as there is the container thing on them
Entity is getting on in what I'm assuming will be 1.14, as they wanna rename a class associated with the custom item stuff, and TEs is something you'll have to use that plugin for until aikar gets his meta stuff over
gloomy sphinx
thanks
static badge
.g mdf file
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unreal quarry
Yes it's fixed. Paper fixed it, then Spigot hid it behind a perm, then Mojang officially fixed it later
void void
that crafting thing has been fixed since 1.12.1?
unreal quarry
Whatever version introduced the book, yeah.
golden gust
They changed the way the book interacts with the client
Best part is is he only fixed it after I shoved some code to a guy to add a permission to it for his plugin lol
(He already had a plugin doing some stuff, I didn't wanna have to maintain a plugin like that either)
icy light
high topaz
gloomy sphinx
happy easter
vestal jasper
hi
bitter abyss
How's everyone?
high topaz
lol
worn ember
Oof
void void
Oh god please no
placid thicket
You got any more of them pixels?
when plugin devs reply to reviews and insult the reviewer
heavy rapids
was the review inappropriate?
vestal jasper
no
Plugin breaks extremely easily
People keep bringing it up
Plugin dev does nothing about it
People write 1 star reviews talking about the dev's complete lack of will to fix anything
Are you trying to seem more intelligent by using larger words which exceed the use of your typical vocabulary?~Plugin Dev (exact quote)
I don't have to offer support or fix any bugs because spigot TOS says so~ Plugin Dev (summarized quote)
seems legit
heavy rapids
lol
that's why I unloaded all my public plugins on bukkitdev back in the day and never logged back in
vestal jasper
He then goes on to harass competing (and free) alternatives by saying they're just stripped down clones
heavy rapids
wait, it's a premium plugin?
vestal jasper
Yeah
heavy rapids
kms
vestal jasper
Which makes it funnier
How do you expect people to pay for your plugin when you treat buyers like shit
heavy rapids
can you pm me the link? I need something to justify eating popcorn with
elfin tree
cedar spade
I found it
vestal jasper
👏
static badge
only thing that's worth finding to u is ur senses
cedar spade
no u
vestal jasper
Working immitations are never better than non functional originals btw /s
heavy rapids
I should add the easter egg that all nearby NPCs gang up on a player when they attack an NPC too often
vestal jasper
👍
heavy rapids
CNF was faster to evaluate than DNF, right?
heavy rapids
nvm I'm stupid
vestal jasper
Hey leaf
wide chasm
Eh, 1.13 should be correct.
finite wave
Probably just the yml validator throwing a hiss.
unreal quarry
It expects a String. So api-version: "1.13"
I've seen similar issues when trying to release a x.10 version. It was being read as a number and casted to a string, making it x.1.
The solution to both is to be explicit that it's a string
heavy rapids
is this api-version key something 1.13 exclusive? I've not seen it before tbh
finite wave
Yes
unreal quarry
It's for 1.13+
When 1.14 drops we will still use 1.13 as the value
All it does is disable the compatibility layer
unreal quarry
Why'd you skip over 1.13.2? Paper got it running as smooth as 1.12.2 in most places, and even better in others
heavy rapids
Well, seeing as 1.14 is on the verge of happening and we're still on 1.12.2, I think not going to 1.14 directly is a bad idea
unreal quarry
Well yeah, bad idea now. I was more asking why you didn't months ago
heavy rapids
and I never got to 1.13 in the first place as it is unplayable on my PC
while 1.14 is at least as smooth as 1.12
at least in the snapshots
unreal quarry
That's extremely odd, because 1.13 doubled the performance from 1.12 in the client. They pretty much broke the server, though, which paper fixed
heavy rapids
Minecraft's performance on my PC usually ranges in the low 20 FPS
unreal quarry
Literal double. Most people FPS doubled. Mine went from 400 to 800, etc
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry can confirm 1.13 run likes absolute dogshit for me client wise, meanwhile 1.12 runs fine
vestal jasper
I've heard extremely conflicitng reports
unreal quarry
You guys must have some shit video cards or something
vestal jasper
I've seen many people say it's better and many people say it's worse
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry 980 TI
unreal quarry
Yeah, I can understand LK's scenario.. but a 980, nossr?
If 1.13 tanks on your 980 it's worse off than you thought and you should replace it :p
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry the issue I have is almost certainly some optimization bug that only happens on some hardware specific to me
heavy rapids
but I can confirm that some users report great performance on 1.13
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry my video card actually still performs incredibly well, been playing sekiro and DMC5 on my days off and they run fine maxed out with great framerate, its most likely some optimization issue for my hardware
left yacht
1.13 was better for me than 1.12.2. Though I have a rather overkill setup.
Server was dogshit for the first month though.
It's closer to 1.12.2's performance now than it was at the start.
unreal quarry
Server is better than 1.12 for a lot of things now, like chunk loading and generation
stiff yarrow
for 1.13 its basically unplayable if I don't use optifine
vestal jasper
not using optifine anyway
finite wave
@left yacht That’s dogshit and personal bias.
stiff yarrow
I don't like to use modified clients
heavy rapids
I wonder if I should start building against paper's API instead of spigot's API. After all I'm only using paper, so compatibility is not an issue
vestal jasper
left yacht
@finite wave we hold 100+ players routinely on our 1.13.2 Towny server.
and the client was better for more in identical worlds.
unreal quarry
I stress tested the server and was generating chunks at 32 view distance faster on 1.13.2 than I was loading pregenerated chunks at 16 view distance on 1.12.2
left yacht
I'm not sure what you mean
I'm not saying 1.13.2 is great, it's still a performance regression over 1.12.2 for entities.
void void
1.12.2 better
unreal quarry
Entities did take a big hit, yeah. But I've been working on them quite a bit
left yacht
pretty sure we stopped pre-generating worlds on our 1.13.2 resource world
because it made no difference to performance.
stiff yarrow
I should probably buy a new GPU as this one is not stable unless I turn the voltage up but I have a hard time spending money on myself 
unreal quarry
Mojang took my turtle fix from ridables. But I have many more. I don't notice entity lag on my server ^_^
left yacht
our players use many inefficient designs like carrying pork for literally 10+ chunks around their base.
with water
heavy rapids
mh, so having hundreds of zombies pathfinding on a map would get worse with 1.13?
left yacht
we end up with thousands of entities that chew through CPU.
Couldn't tell you if Mob AI is worse or not, usually not a problem for us.
left yacht
an underpaid intern probably
heavy rapids
Didn't they have a new dev for 1.13 entities?
stiff yarrow
I've always thought of mojang as a group of friends who stubbornly refuse to hire anyone competent
left yacht
definitely excited for 1.14, will be waiting a month for things to settle down though.
unreal quarry
I know they had a lady that made the dolphins. She tweeted about how mad she was that the community outlashed about them being ridable so Mojang made them not ridable (that's one of the reasons I started ridables plugin)
heavy rapids
I will at least wait until worldedit/worldguard are stable
left yacht
dolphins eat so much bandwidth
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry people were mad they were ridable?
left yacht
we did a stupid stress test back when 1.13 launched and had afew thousand dolphins in an enclosed area
unreal quarry
Yes
sharp sentinel
WE/WG will most likely immediately work on 1.14
left yacht
we set them free
stiff yarrow
sharp sentinel
I'm hoping they won't need an actual update
left yacht
was glorious
stiff yarrow
@sharp sentinel isn't md5 testing wg/we on the 1.14 community server
sharp sentinel
🤷
stiff yarrow
heavy rapids
Well, the only public plugins I use are DecoHeads, LuckPerms, ProtocolLib/PacketWrapper, Vault, VoxelSniper, WorldEdit and WorldGuard, so waiting for updates should be quick
left yacht
I'd appreciate if MultiMC actually allowed me to use the latest pre-releases
vestal jasper
So apparently getLightLevel doesn't return the light level of the block
heavy rapids
I'm really excited for that 1.14 feature that allows custom item models without sacrificing items
finally no longer limited by diamond hoe durability
stiff yarrow
@heavy rapids you forgot to add mcMMO 
vestal jasper
Oh I think it does return it