consistent branding or something
#general
upper flicker
void void
forking just to remove telemetry.... thats just what i find stupid
forking is ok when you want to get rid of dumb shit you don't want
pulsar wigeon
if you want to use the vscodium binaries because you don't like metrics or whatever, fine. if you want to use the vscodium binaries because you want to use foss and not have to build it yourself from source, fine.
void void
in that case, people don't want telemetry
and that's exactly what happened
what's wrong with that then? it's not stupid
pulsar wigeon
it's not on
cedar spade
The open source project doesn't include telemetry, they're not removing anything from the project
static badge
:kappa:
pulsar wigeon
telemetry is added by microsoft when they build releases
cedar spade
^
pulsar wigeon
well i suppose technically the telemetry code is in the OSS repo
stiff yarrow
aren't we discussing a fork to the ms repo that removed it?
pulsar wigeon
it just isn't hooked up to anything
cedar spade
I don't think it is in the VS Code repo?
at least, that was the impression I got from both the vscodium README and what MS said
pulsar wigeon
upper flicker
I recall MS saying the code was there it just wasnt hooked up to send anywhere
cedar spade
Fair enough
upper flicker
I havent looked to see if thats true
pulsar wigeon
If you want to build from source yourself, head over to Microsoft's vscode repo and follow their instructions. This repo exists to make it easier to get the latest version of MIT-licensed VSCode.
stiff yarrow
oh it also removes branding and stuff
bold zephyr
ono my microsoft product says microsoft :(
pulsar wigeon
why are people still hung up on that
finite wave
Oh dang
cedar spade
Also MS binaries are released under separate terms
upper flicker
LIMITATION ON AND EXCLUSION OF DAMAGES. You can recover from Microsoft and its suppliers only direct damages up to U.S. $5.00.
wonder where they get $5 from
or if they just picked a number
stiff yarrow
why even offer 5 usd
finite wave
I couldn’t care less.
stiff yarrow
I wonder if this is the result of some lawsuit
pulsar wigeon
dw no one cares about you either jan
pulsar wigeon
go back to playing with borderline esoteric languages to exacerbate your own suffering in this world
finite wave
@pulsar wigeon Ping worthy bar
pulsar wigeon
k i guess i'll just block him again
finite wave
I’ve stopped using weird langs
upper flicker
werent you hyping up scala the other day
finite wave
They annoy me and compiling is slow
True, they are still great langs
And you should use them.
Doesn’t mean i have to
I’m bored as always
stiff yarrow
hes moved on to macintosh's proprietary version of BASIC
finite wave
I’m just going around until i find something i can keep coding in without it annoying me.
upper flicker
I mean, Microsoft wrote it
finite wave
That isn’t Java.
limber knotBOT
Kotlin is love, Kotlin is life
bold zephyr
by the time your fruitless search ends, youll know enough to make your own language
stiff yarrow
I don't think I've ever found a language that wasn't annoying to work in
finite wave
@bold zephyr I’ve thought about it.
golden gust
#JanLang
finite wave
Nono, SkriptLang
golden gust
about as expected from you, really
stiff yarrow
are you the Skript guy Jan
stiff yarrow
finite wave
Who is the skript guy?
bold zephyr
.g spigot skript
limber knotBOT
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finite wave
.g PaperMC skript guy
limber knotBOT
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upper flicker
apparently the fork I remember being popular is now in its own org
so maybe that guy took over
bensku or something
finite wave
Ad
pulsar wigeon
skript was a mistake
finite wave
Guess i have to take another name
finite wave
Well
finite wave
I use shell scripts a lot
stiff yarrow
yeah sometimes using a scripting language is a necessity
sometimes its like "I'd rather write in c/c++ than use Lua"
finite wave
But never resort to skript.
stiff yarrow
stiff yarrow
I cannot comment on it because I've never used it, however I'm told its like python
finite wave
Idk
bold zephyr
i like skript for small things
finite wave
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
stiff yarrow
scripting languages are basically intended for small things most the time
stiff yarrow
I don't think having a scripting language for MC is inherently bad
bold zephyr
i use skript to supplement plugins that lack features
or to simplify some cmds for players
finite wave
Why not rewrite them?
stiff yarrow
I just hate when the only way to do a project is through a scripting language
bold zephyr
time
finite wave
I’ve got lots of time.
stiff yarrow
which happens a lot in game modding
bold zephyr
i do not
finite wave
Get some
bold zephyr
rather get money
amber tinsel
^
Not everyone have enough times for things like that
and beside that, skript can do it too.
finite wave
Well, atleast it doesn’t disable itself if you use Paper for no reason
bold zephyr
lmao
finite wave
Oh wait there was a reason, apparently Paper broke his plugin.
finite wave
Quite a few from the GoldenCrates guy
bold zephyr
no clue who that is
upper flicker
one of them was because the guy is stupid
finite wave
All of them
upper flicker
reflecting in to directly access a collection instead of using the add and remove methods in the world
probably broke a bunch of other shit by bypassing all of it
heady spear
usging adsd and remove method is for stupid because the world so then you will and the tick,but don't
o you need and do the so also ahnd the nms on the tick but then you watch or get error
so!!
upper flicker
did you have a stroke
stiff yarrow
city we could be brothers with that typing
finite wave
I think he did
heady spear
nono am fine just od the running so lhaste speed fast yping and running so many fast and word
haste*
heady spear
dont worry ift sifne fi just need coffee!!!
acoustic pilot
City is manifesting his inner Trump
finite wave
Okay i understand the last message
stiff yarrow
city this is an intervention
bold zephyr
lmao
pulsar wigeon
it has gotten warm enough outside that my workplace is now blasting the A/C on full
so i now need a sweater to stay comfortable in my office
cedar spade
the sweater, or the AC?
upper flicker
the pc
stiff yarrow
someone just DM'd me on Spigot to ask if 2.3 has been released when you can just check the version number on Spigot
acoustic pilot
people can always dress warmer, but they can't keep undressing if it's too hot 😃
heady spear
yes
upper flicker
gets out the vegetable peeler
stiff yarrow
flay your own skin to stay cool this summer
pulsar wigeon
yes, i heard it's much cooler 6 feet under
heady spear
when 1.14 is released will paper continue
acoustic pilot
no is ded after 1.14
heady spear
oh ok
pulsar wigeon
tbh bukkit should be abandoned, let's all move to sponge :^)
acoustic pilot
sponge 1.13 when?
finite wave
Glowstone ftw
heady spear
i only do cuberite
cedar spade
essx spogne port wen
finite wave
Oh i see only lua
heady spear
cuberite worldedit is way better anyway
pulsar wigeon
LUUUL
finite wave
Faster too
heady spear
yes
pulsar wigeon
that cuberite worldedit was quite something
acoustic pilot
Forge prob just given up on 1.13, waiting for 1.14 lol
pulsar wigeon
forge is out for 1.13 already
stiff yarrow
I'm moving to Sponge
pulsar wigeon
they had to redo a lot of tooling tho
heady spear
Cuberite worldedit is the future of worldeditititing
stiff yarrow
Sponge 1.13 is being skipped
pulsar wigeon
yea, forge/sponge probably won't see much on 1.13
that's always been that way on forge tho
they skip short/boring versions and just support major ones
heady spear
@finite wave join me on my LUA journey, let's port all EngineHub plugins and then steal all of their users
acoustic pilot
There's always gonna be a much stronger demand for "I want my latest version NOW" which breathes life into Bukkit/Spigot
pulsar wigeon
like even tho you can get forge for the small versions, the major modpacks only run on major versions
acoustic pilot
Although 1.13 seems to have been a spectacular failure that discouraged a lot of people from upgrading
finite wave
EngineHub is what @heady spear
heady spear
exactly jan
pulsar wigeon
tbh i wonder what would prevent me from backporting WE 7 to 1.12
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot as I understand it the Forge tools got rewritten which basically stalled Sponge
pulsar wigeon
i feel like most of the stuff would work there too
acoustic pilot
1.12 probably going to be around for a while
pulsar wigeon
block states were added a while back weren't they
heady spear
the only reason people didn't want to update to 1.13 was because fawe wasn't released let's be honest
acoustic pilot
Paper intends to stop supporting 1.13 once 1.14 is released, IIRC
And keep 1.12 in support thru backports
finite wave
I know rite
acoustic pilot
There is 1 patch that would convert a lot of 1.8 servers to latest 😃
finite wave
It’s cubed of them.
acoustic pilot
The cannoning fixes patch
stiff yarrow
1.8 support for mcMMO is going to be the most jank shit imaginable
acoustic pilot
The rest would just cry and remain due to PVP changes
heady spear
as opposed to the other versions of mcMMO? 🤔
heady spear
sure
bold zephyr
@stiff yarrow you are doubted
pulsar wigeon
aren't there plugins that revert pvp mechanics
bold zephyr
ahh
pulsar wigeon
i dunno how that actually works since i don't play the game
acoustic pilot
They say it's not 100% the same, even with reversions.
pulsar wigeon
oic
heady spear
I don't care about plugins anymore they're all too sjw for me
acoustic pilot
but just having cannoning support would probably be enough to win over a lot of servers
heady spear
because I am a right wing cis white male and y'all suck
acoustic pilot
obviously, all factions servers lol
which, IMO, we don't want them
most toxic bunch of server owners and players
pulsar wigeon
what is cannoning
acoustic pilot
building TNT cannons using complex redstone configurations
heady spear
some stupid shit 8 years olds do
acoustic pilot
the shit they build is actually really amazing lol
pulsar wigeon
what changed about it
heady spear
they ask us to add plotsquared patches for it all the time
stiff yarrow
idk what cannoning is but it sounds awesome
heady spear
it's such a dumb concept
acoustic pilot
redstone behavior mostly, some TNT behavior, too
upper flicker
basically they build overcomplicated cannons that rely on specific timing and technical details that mojang breaks from version to version
and cant be arsed to update their builds to work
acoustic pilot
1.7 mechanics is the version where everything runs almost perfectly without changes
upper flicker
so they want everyone to either sit back or backport the features
forward port or w/e
acoustic pilot
I could probably take a stab at introducing a cannoning fixes patch, but I really think Paper community is better off without that crowd.
static badge
sexually harass urself
heady spear
oh, good concept
acoustic pilot
I've ported my cannoning patch to 1.9 before successfully, that's the version where Paper dropped support for it.
static badge
pr to our 1.9 branch
pulsar wigeon
pr to concrete
pulsar wigeon
just dump the patch on the 1.13 codebase
i'm sure it'll be fine :^)
let the concrete maintainer figure it out anyway
acoustic pilot
It's a whole lot of "wtf" changes, nobody wants to maintain it, which is why it was dropped in the first place haha
I think some changes aren't even configurable anyway, which is problematic for a project like Paper
Though I guess if I tried really hard, I probably could make it all configurable.
static badge
you could just stick a couple thousand if statements in there
wide chasm
Did you mean AI?
static badge
probably do it
acoustic pilot
I think more likely I'd need to subclass some NMS classes to make it configurable.
acoustic pilot
It's just a lot of small changes all over the place, most of it is easily configurable, like TNT head height, physics tick order, etc
if there was genuine interest by leadership to do so, I might, but the crowd behind it is really not worthy lol
static badge
nothing wrong with bringing the raging 12 year olds over to paper
acoustic pilot
but the benefit of having it in a modern version is that it would bring a lot of 1.8 servers over to this side
pulsar wigeon
fuck 1.8 servers tho :^)
acoustic pilot
I tend to agree, they'll be dead or dying in 2-3 more years.
static badge
that patch is probably going to end up being harder to maintain as time goes on too
acoustic pilot
It's already hard to maintain by someone who isn't intimately familiar with it
Which is why it was dropped in 1.9
static badge
imagine getting intimate with a patch
acoustic pilot
Don't worry, I use lube.
static badge
that poor patch
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot why does paper need a patch to support cannoning? 
acoustic pilot
It doesn't. It could use it though if it wanted to attract factions servers to upgrade.
Which, is a toxic crowd not worth attracting, IMO.
finite wave
They want the old spam click
static badge
tbh I think the old spam click was better
acoustic pilot
the PVP mechanics is something that can be easily overcome/adapted to with the reversions, even if they aren't 100% identical
static badge
change my mind
golden gust
oh god
acoustic pilot
but cannoning is something they can't live without
golden gust
Could you imagine having 20 byteflux'es on here?
acoustic pilot
PVP slightly changed from 1.7 to 1.8, too, but they adapted.
lol
Cannoning broke in 1.8 too, until @somber mirage added his cannoning fixes patch to Paper, which is why now all factions servers run on 1.8, not 1.7
Despite the changes to PVP from 1.7 to 1.8
Cannoning is the deal-maker/deal-breaker, not PVP mechanics.
acoustic pilot
I don't think it's at all possible to create cannons with the same level of complexity in newer versions
You have to see the type of shit they build, it's absolutely insane.
static badge
.g minecraft cannon wtf amazing cool destroyed my bro's faction
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acoustic pilot
This is from 3 years ago, they've since evolved considerably to be more advanced than this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0dYxOTQgz0
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static badge
god do people build those things and shoot them at each other
pulsar wigeon
did he just blow up the cannon itself
wtf is the point of that
didn't even get 10 seconds in and the cannon blew itself up
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot so what prevents this stuff from working in paper
pulsar wigeon
not paper
acoustic pilot
Certain mechanics seem impossible with the current redstone/TNT/falling block behavior
pulsar wigeon
MC itself
acoustic pilot
Even basic things like TNT moving in water, random nature of how some of teh restone works etc
Obv some things are easier to fix than others
stiff yarrow
why would you put in a patch to change vanilla mechanics just to accommodate this stuff
finite wave
Why would you break his plugins
stiff yarrow
we all know what they really want is spam click
acoustic pilot
Since it was the norm in 1.7
stiff yarrow
stiff yarrow
no one can beat me in PVP because I send 5000 clicks a second and this is the way it was meant to be played
there are dozens of us who hold this belief
gloomy sphinx
sounds worse than league of legends
stiff yarrow
knowing when to press your macro for clicking shows high PVP IQ
not everyone is cut out for this hardcore gameplay
pulsar wigeon
just 4pool ezpz
stiff yarrow
paying for kits is just part of the core Minecraft experience
stiff yarrow
I have studied countless 30 year old youtubers who are definitely very excited everytime they play Minecraft in order to hone my techniques
gloomy sphinx
I just use nodus for pvp
bold zephyr
mc needs more apm than sc2
gloomy sphinx
Is it bad if a plugin requires the server to be stopped to edit the config? poor design or no
outdated?
limber knotBOT
a properly designed plugin shouldn't require that imo
gloomy sphinx
how exactly do they make it hotswap the config when it is live?
pulsar wigeon
hotswap wat
bold zephyr
you mean using bukkits config reload?
or any other config systems typical ability to read files on demand during runtime?
pulsar wigeon
public class PluginWhatever {
public Config config;
public void reloadConfig(boolean save) {
if (save) config.save();
config = new Config(file);
config.load();
}
You read the new configuration file and do what needs to be done
pulsar wigeon
woaw
gloomy sphinx
cool thanks
bold zephyr
whats the point of loading after saving in that method
bold zephyr
obv if you save it, its already in memory??
its not like the program dumps that data after saving it
gloomy sphinx
it wouldnt be in memory if you manually edit the config file?
static badge
think we just got jebaited
bold zephyr
and then a third for reload() that replaces the cached file with the files current state
tho tbh thats not even necessary if done right
so long as you dont make persistent copies of the config in random classes
ancient bolt
Got into an argument with a coworker that was saying linux looks good
ancient bolt
literally there isn't a single one that is actually consistent across the whole system
I will fucking fight you on that
pulsar wigeon
neither is windows tbf
upper flicker
I used to say Windows was consistent, just consistently stuck in the 90s
Then windows 10 came along
ancient bolt
'I didn't say windows was consistent or looked good either lol
upper flicker
Now it’s about as consistent as gnome
pulsar wigeon
i didn't say you said that
upper flicker
Shiny on top, terrible old dialogs everywhere underneath
bold zephyr
i recently began using win10
ancient bolt
macos isn't perfect but it's by far the most consistent user interface of any desktop OS
bold zephyr
like yesterday
pulsar wigeon
tbh, staking everything on consistency is not a good argument for "looking good" imo
void void
macos is ass
pulsar wigeon
even if it's consistent, it's consistently ugly/bad
void void
yes agree
ancient bolt
Alright so who wants to get banned hmm?
void void
u
ancient bolt
shakes fists angrly
pulsar wigeon
oh boi let's ban people for disagreeing with my opinions
bold zephyr
i dont like mac but my only usable laptop is a macbook
ancient bolt
I'm not actually going to ban you...I'm just going to curse you to lifelong torment
tropic flame
I still kinda don't like the new Windows Settings menu
tropic flame
idk if it's because I'm used to the control panel but whatever
pulsar wigeon
pc settings is absolute shit for sure
tropic flame
I don't like it
static badge
the only time you should use macos is if you've suddenly lost all but three braincells
pulsar wigeon
control panel is luckily still mostly intact for power users tho
ancient bolt
I will kick spotted on princple
static badge
that's bullying
tropic flame
yeah and honestly I actually don't see the issue on having both, although some people say it shows "inconsistency"
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pulsar wigeon
i don't think you need 3 braincells tbh. macs only have one mouse button :^)
bold zephyr
the only other time to use macos is when you have no choice
tropic flame
I think a bigger inconsistency is having normal programs and retarded windows store apps but ok
upper flicker
I mean, I’d choose macOS over windows any day of the week
pulsar wigeon
metro sucks too
tropic flame
YES
upper flicker
Hey man, don’t let his not using a Mac in 10 years color your views
bold zephyr
id choose linux over mac
pulsar wigeon
and yes i'm aware you can ctrl + click to emulate the RMB :^)
upper flicker
You don’t need to do that
They all come out of the box with it enabled
You just use two fingers on the trackpad
tropic flame
wait why emulate the right mouse button
upper flicker
Was the woosh that the complaint was a meme
tropic flame
no I'm sorry I just came here like 5 mins ago lmao lemme scroll up i guess
pulsar wigeon
i need a kappa emote everywhere apparently
ancient bolt
you say woosh like we're supposed to know you're not just a dumbass
pulsar wigeon
i mean you should
upper flicker
The leaf strat
pulsar wigeon
but also :^)
static badge
2 ur retarded
upper flicker
3 no u
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4 ur cancer
upper flicker
5 still no u
pulsar wigeon
6 goto 2
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6 ur dum af
pulsar wigeon
i can write basic too :^)
static badge
ur basic
pulsar wigeon
thanks
static badge
upper flicker
his basic crashed
bold zephyr
lmao
static badge
hope not
upper flicker
I’d make a skript joke, but that seems rude to basic
tropic flame
isn't basic like, plain english?
unreal quarry
Did I miss the Mac hate train? :O
bold zephyr
you mean the inferior OS hate train? yes, you dif
pulsar wigeon
watch out billy you might get banned for expressing your opinions here :^)
upper flicker
This is the internet, it’ll come back around
bold zephyr
did*
ancient bolt
It's like plain english but it had an aneurism
pulsar wigeon
every language is like plain english if you have a translator
i wonder if the babel fish could do programming languages
like html
tropic flame
every language is like plain english if it's your native one
upper flicker
Not that stroke shit city was doing
bold zephyr
that was a trump stroke
pulsar wigeon
it's ok guys he just needed some cofveve
bold zephyr
did he get it
ancient bolt
is there a good pacman UI?
static badge
the arcade variant was pretty good
bold zephyr
hes been kicked twice already
stiff yarrow
oh its more than that
ancient bolt
stiff yarrow
probably upwards of 20 times
bold zephyr
lmao
static badge
at least 100
stiff yarrow
actually who knows how many times..
ancient bolt
@upper flicker when you kick spotted don't forget to re-add his roles
static badge
remember we have a bot for that
upper flicker
There’s supposed to be a bot doing that
ancient bolt
well it didn't work
upper flicker
Not my bot not my problem
static badge
lol
bold zephyr
lmfao
ancient bolt
could just ban him until the bot is back
static badge
doesn't seem like a scalable solution
ancient bolt
Could just ban him perm
bold zephyr
or could be better at hosting bots 🤔
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monkaS
static badge
wat u think we got 7 mods for :>
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is that some weeb shit
stiff yarrow
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:dansgame:
unreal quarry
:toomanyemotes:
stiff yarrow
here you go spotted https://discord.gift/8qFVAdNYjR4KYGDQ
static badge
did you just paste that in chat :>
stiff yarrow
well I wouldn't want to dirty myself by sliding into your DMs
merry talon
i must've been like <1 second from getting it
wide chasm
I was expecting some kind of fake image
unreal quarry
Oops.. I thought it was fake image
static badge
it was bait from the start :>
bold zephyr
the fact that you intended it to be for him and expected some asshat not to take it
xD
finite wave
Who claimed it then? 😜
stiff yarrow
@bold zephyr think about it a bit more logically
static badge
I didn't claim it
tropic flame
it still says you can accept for me
static badge
someone must've been hungry for nitro
unreal quarry
Does my profile say I have nitro? If it does, I claimed it...
bold zephyr
i mean more logically id assume trolling but based on previous chat context id expected you to not
static badge
LUL HE DID CLAIM IT
stiff yarrow
surreal cloak
ancient bolt
nice @unreal quarry
stiff yarrow
welcome to a world of pure imagination billy
unreal quarry
I legit thought it was that fake pic I seen a thousand times
ancient bolt
@stiff yarrow can you do that again
bold zephyr
LOL
stiff yarrow
you know it cost me 10 USD to do that
merry talon
gonna make a selfbot to instaclaim that
stiff yarrow
ancient bolt
do it again
static badge
god I can imagine everyone and their mom's alts readying the mouse
bold zephyr
you people are terrible influences
merry talon
open dev console in discord -> add event listener
unreal quarry
bold zephyr
sentences man
unreal quarry
Protip: enter is not a punctuation
deep shoal
what happens if I import me.libraryaddict.disguise.LlibsDisguises and then (new LibsDisguises()).onEnable()
for example
bold zephyr
itd call the onEnable() method
static badge
not a good decision to make
bold zephyr
i dont understand your question
static badge
there's no reason to call it
deep shoal
is there a way I can prevent that in my own plugins that are meant to be used by other plugins
tropic flame
make everything static!!!1
bold zephyr
why bother
static badge
effectively every single plugin on this planet does not expect it to be called
and neither should yours
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal prevent it how?
bold zephyr
whats the point in preventing it
stiff yarrow
deep shoal
stop people instantiating classes that bukkit needs but dependors (lol idk the word)
bold zephyr
if some shit plugin calls your specific onEnable() then thats not your problem
deep shoal
shouldn't have access to
static badge
there's shit all you can do if they want to
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal don't program defensively
aren't you the guy I told not to program defensively a week ago
stiff yarrow
its a literal meaning
static badge
nossr's next conspiracy theory
deep shoal
I find it fun to ask these kinds of questions
static badge
"people don't listen to me"
unreal quarry
Always be offensive
tropic flame
the thing is that CB needs to be able to access it to load it, right?
so how would you make it non-accessible for other plugins
bold zephyr
heres how i see it: who cares if someone calls your onEnable() method? its not your problem or fault, its the problem for whatever server owner installed the trash plugin that called your method
tropic flame
yeah
unreal quarry
If you want to be weird you could have a boolean field defaulted to false and set it to true in onEnable and make that the first check in there and return early if it's true. But that's being extremely paranoid
merry talon
yeah I was just thinking that
pulsar wigeon
nah, capture the current stacktrace in onEnable and make sure it came from bukkit's plugin manager
tropic flame
yeah you can have many paranoias (is that the word??) but not that one
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generally if another plugin does that you go to the authors page and write the following:
pulsar wigeon
or use the super super hacky unsafe getCallingMethod() in reflection
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hello ur plugin is awful
bold zephyr
^^^^^^^^^^
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and move on with ur life
bold zephyr
thats what im saying
tropic flame
lmao how does plugman work to load other jars?
bold zephyr
its not your problem if someone fucks with your plugin at runtime
tropic flame
to load the plugins
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city is retarded
tropic flame
rarted
stiff yarrow
no
merry talon
disable the plugin?
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and just reflect ur way out of it
stiff yarrow
the moment you go down this road of logic its all retarded
merry talon
@static badge
tropic flame
lmao remember when Spigot would disable EchoPet out of nowhere in the protocol hack
unreal quarry
This is what I call carebear programming. You can't stop stupid. So don't try. Just call them out when they appear
astral patrol
gloomy sphinx
biking with no sleep is fucking difficult
deep shoal
not really
gloomy sphinx
🤔
merry talon
i just got $50 of free XLM for verifying my ID on blockchain
there's no way my data is worth that much lul
merry talon
blockchain
merry talon
i just made it
stiff yarrow
I turned 50 USD doge coin into 800
gloomy sphinx
I mean a wallet service
merry talon
i kind of dont understand how they were just like "yeah we're just going to create $1 billion out of thin air to start" and then that's actual traded currency
but I'm sure it makes sense
stiff yarrow
it wasn't worth that much to begin with
merry talon
does your network card specsheet have information on how many ports it comes with?
austere ivy
nop
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
okay
so I'mana guess
there was a guy I was reading up on ports
he said
"in that long computer wire you have hooking up your internet"
"there's 65536 individual wires, each one is a port"
and I was like
stiff yarrow
yeah there's like 8 wires in your ethernet cord
austere ivy
lol
also how on earth
imagine how inefficient that would be
65536 individual wires all probably doing nothing for about all of their lifetime
maybe 10 gets used in a month
stiff yarrow
I would go get a book on networking over reading about it on the internet
almost tempted to pay people to write boilerplate at this point
a good chunk of the work I have left to do is just boilerplate
merry talon
i dunno about that, I've never understood the appeal in reading a physical book about technological concepts when you could just.. use what you're reading about and learn more
austere ivy
wiki clap clap pedia
merry talon
then what is the point of a book when you're sitting at a computer
stiff yarrow
because most resources online are completely shit
merry talon
especially with programming where they get out of date quick
stiff yarrow
learning C++ without a book is basically shooting yourself in the balls for example
merry talon
learning C++ at all is basically shooting yourself in the balls
but anyway
I've never read anything so what can I say
austere ivy
nossr have you ever known about the world wide web
but I've never read a book so what can I say
but
there's a lot of good tutorials
tropic flame
isn't Zorin OS's main attraction the fact that it looks like Windows?
or feels like Windows
merry talon
looks like it's marketing to grandma betty with that text
tropic flame
I guess they want to make that sure for new users that come from Windows
so uh, I've heard that Notre Dame building in France is burning?
warped spear
chunk gc setting causes problems in bukkit.yml
tropic flame
maybe Jesus is from the yellow vests
stiff yarrow
@gloomy sphinx @austere ivy 🙄
stiff yarrow
the naivety
tropic flame
ohai @austere ivy
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
no seriously I mostly rarely get pings outside of @everyjuan
warped spear
CMS vs G1GC thoughts? CMS for me seems to work better
austere ivy
so to have one when it's someone actually asking me for something it's nice :P
also if I ever am at discord, that means I am online and CAN do stuff so
warped spear
is G1 only better if you have a lot of memory to work with
quasi valley
@austere ivy your opinion on bricks?
austere ivy
aw shoot I just got another @everyjuan lol
tardy lynx
24GB for a 4 player server
austere ivy
looks like advertising for a kahoot game
warped spear
if its modded that would work lol
tardy lynx
800MB for 12 players
austere ivy
@quasi valley they're a lot better than drywall let me tell you, but I always felt like they're .. dirty.. for some reason :P
I'd prefer them over drywall in my house though, they have a nice aesthetic
especially if you have a nice warm and cozy house.
quasi valley
yeah I can see where you're coming from
finally someone answering the really important questions about life
tropic flame
lmao d r y w a l l
isn't that the material the US is 99% made of so everyone can break their houses like they're punching cardboard?
/s
austere ivy
yes
warped spear
why is java so memory hungry
warped spear
I wonder if you could rewrite the server software in C or C++
austere ivy
they did
warped spear
who?
austere ivy
uh it's called minetest
or uh
@stiff yarrow what is it callde again, the one in c++?
stiff yarrow
warped spear
does it work for vanilla minecraft
wide chasm
Cuberite?
warped spear
ok thats awesome
austere ivy
Servers just have to handle the packets sent by players so technically it really can be any programming language.
I have yet to see one written in Python though >_>
get to it, folks.
warped spear
they should work on porting minecraft to C++ or atleast implement avx for java edition
stiff yarrow
Bedrock is C++ Minecraft
wide chasm
It differs from the Java edition
stiff yarrow
It's the full game but different
austere ivy
warped spear
like if it had feature parody I would play it
austere ivy
Bedrock is the same one that Xbox, Playstation, Console, everything other than Java uses.
stiff yarrow
Pocket Minecraft is not Bedrock I'm pretty sure
warped spear
they could make java run much better but they don't
they could implement avx and upgrade the opengl
stiff yarrow
we'll never know why they decided Bedrock would be a special snowflake but they did
warped spear
like avx can speed up java code by as much as 40x and they are running opengl 2.4 if my memory is correct
like why no opengl 4.5 and or vulkan
tropic flame
please no OpenGL 4.5
warped spear
like vulkan works all the way back to windows 7
tropic flame
I run ancient hardware
warped spear
what hardware do you have
stiff yarrow
updating OpenGL would be a lot of work I would imagine
tropic flame
my father hates online shopping
austere ivy
you know, I really like gettig pinged, so I'm going to spread that same joy to everyone
tropic flame
- the solution would actually to get a new pc altogether
austere ivy
from now on whenever I respond to someone I'll rttag them
warped spear
you can build one for relatively cheap these days
austere ivy
what do you think @stiff yarrow @tropic flame @warped spear ?
warped spear
it does make me happy to feel wanted
upper flicker
looks like avx512 was added to the jit compiler for openjdk 9
stiff yarrow
can you stop sir
austere ivy
build a pc
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
don't get a prebuilt, easy to get ripped off with worse parts.
do you not appreciate the pingings!? D:
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ah avx
austere ivy
wow, I guess Phantom and I are the #CoolGang then
fierce idol
Just passing by, saying that NotreDame is burning.
warped spear
don't use 512, do 128/256 if you do 512 then only skylake witll support it
upper flicker
not up to me
austere ivy
what? what is 512
upper flicker
up to the jdk devs
fierce idol
@tropic flame obviously
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they probably have other avx variants?
warped spear
avx would be great for a minecraft server
upper flicker
they may have added support for that or be doing crazy shit underneath
thats just not the ticket I found
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they already do some avx shit
austere ivy
yeah nice
warped spear
too bad they can't do gpu acceleration
austere ivy
I'm glad notre dame is burning cause The Hunchback is finally getting revenge
he's probably who started it
way to go Hunchback!
warped spear
cache the chunk in the vram and render the world on a gpu
austere ivy
what's his name again
warped spear
done
warped spear
how are u using a computer then, cause without a gpu you ain't getting a videou out
minecraft could probably be rendered with integrated
and i am talking about the the server software
gpu accelerate that bitch
upper flicker
most servers dont have GPUs of any sort
so thats a pretty specialized optimization
tropic flame
lmao make an option to disable hardware acceleration?
upper flicker
most servers dont have integrated graphics
tropic flame
everytime I see one of those I disable it
warped spear
i know cause currently it won't do anything but if it could it would be great
upper flicker
until they get parallelization of some sort, moving shit to the gpu on the server wouldnt help them anyway
right now its all so tied together its irrelevant
stiff yarrow
GPUs aren't good at doing the same kind of things a CPU does, there is some areas where a GPU can excel though
warped spear
right now the best minecraft server is the one with the overclocked i7 and 32gb of vram
upper flicker
not even sure what you'd want to offload onto the gpu on the server side of things
stiff yarrow
GPU is mostly good if you can split an operation into 4000 threads and have them work together towards a goal
warped spear
rendering and anything that can be done with floating point
upper flicker
so... not much
warped spear
what is the biggest bottleneck for a minecraft server
upper flicker
entities
stiff yarrow
single threaded performance
upper flicker
the fact that everything runs in a big loop with no parallelization
tropic flame
Java
upper flicker
gpu doesnt solve that issue
tropic flame
runs
upper flicker
the idea that you could just offload all fp is also beyond stupid
warped spear
why has mojang not bothered to make this less stupid
warped spear
like they have microsoft as a resource they could totally make it less dumb
upper flicker
theyre very clearly working on getting async chunk loading and chunk gen
they just werent there for 1.13
and afaik arent there for 1.14
acoustic pilot
no mojang is very clearly a small indie company, how could they possibly do all that?! ^_^
stiff yarrow
idk if Microsoft just leaves the Java team to do whatever they want or not
I assume Bedrock is probably well optimized
tropic flame
I thought Mojang was still in full charge of the Java Edition
and part of MS takes care of Bedrock
acoustic pilot
I hear Bedrock is not at all well optimized lol
stiff yarrow
welp there goes that theory
warped spear
they are but like they also have microsoft money now
tropic flame
true
upper flicker
I mean it is and it isnt
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probably beats 1.13
upper flicker
they've applied some more typical game dev tricks to speed up shit
acoustic pilot
Apparently Bedrock's core concepts are a copy/paste of Java Edition, just in a diff language 😛
upper flicker
but a lot of it is still straight port
warped spear
so like no excuse, i accepted it when it was just a small indie company but now they have a billtion dollar corporation at their back
upper flicker
that being said it very clearly runs better
tropic flame
isn't Bedrock worse because entities basically only move when you're looking at them?
at least that happened in Pocket edition
stiff yarrow
Mojang could probably do with hiring a specialist to optimize the game since their current devs don't seem too interested, or rather are very slow about it.
tropic flame
in JE they move as long as they are loaded
upper flicker
yeah thats stupid af
at least from a typical game development and design perspective
the idea that everything in the world is always doing all the things
is fucking moronic
warped spear
also doesn't seem like they unload the chunks that are behin d you
austere ivy
here's what I think
upper flicker
bedrock kind of moves away from that in that they have zones, though they seem to only be using two
austere ivy
can I just say something
upper flicker
one for rendering and one for ticking
austere ivy
alright
warped spear
i gtg peace
austere ivy
here's the thing
Mojang used to be an indie company
but now they're something worth 2 AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS
upper flicker
most larger games have many "zones"
austere ivy
THEY'RE OWNED BY MICROSOFT
The rate, and quality, and consistency, of what they put out things, is unbelievable.
upper flicker
but if they added that they'd probably also piss off some people on java edition
austere ivy
Like polar bears? No other bears, half made.
stiff yarrow
its up to Mojang to prioritize stuff like that
upper flicker
so you win some you lose some
tropic flame
tbh even before they got bought I wouldn't consider them an indie company after like, 1.7.2 though
austere ivy
Everything seems to be half done.
stiff yarrow
they don't seem that interested
austere ivy
Like seriously.
Everything they put out seems to be half done.
Compare them to something like Terraria.
Terraria is like a quarter of the size in terms of sales
Yet EVERY BLOCK has a complete furniture set
with UNIQUE, ACTUAL different textures
EVERY MOB has different drops
upper flicker
you lost me at terraria
austere ivy
Have you ever played it?
upper flicker
yep
tropic flame
lmao the typical comparison
austere ivy
It is, though.
Just look at the CONSISTENCY of what they put out.
Not talking about the gameplay.
upper flicker
same reason I dont compare wolfenstein 3d to whatever the name of the new one is
austere ivy
Just two games relatively similar in terms of size, look at what the devs themselves put out in the same timeframe.
tropic flame
I remember there was a mod that turned minecraft into 2D like terraria, with like, even 2D world generation (2 blocks wide x infinite to the sides)
austere ivy
Minecraft maybe adds a new mob, Whao polar bears
tropic flame
in like 1.3
austere ivy
Terraria adds like 15 new mobs, an entirely different furniture set, new npcs, new pregen structures
upper flicker
terraria is a 2d sidescroller
stiff yarrow
So young and naive Brian
austere ivy
Z7.
upper flicker
and I bet they arent constantly refactoring half the codebase every update
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what cancer has gone down
austere ivy
Terraria has better quality sprites for blocks
tropic flame
Zindows 7
upper flicker
no one
tropic flame
ok sorry
austere ivy
No but like
upper flicker
no but like no
austere ivy
I'm just saying terraria has higher resolution blocks, and Minecraft only has to do a SIDE of a block.
upper flicker
What youre arguing for is also what most people on the server end would argue against
you want more features
most people on the server want them to stop with features and just fix shit
upper flicker
great you cant have it
austere ivy
Yeah, fix things.
upper flicker
not while they're constantly redoing shit
acoustic pilot
Problem being Mojang doesn't give very many shits about servers
austere ivy
Neither do they give any about suggestions.
acoustic pilot
As long as the single player experience is great, it's whatever.
austere ivy
They don't care about whatever the playerbase actually wants
austere ivy
look at r/minecraftsuggestions, things that gets THOUSANDS of upvotes and are somewhat legitimately good.
even minor stuff.
tropic flame
I wouldn't listen to 1.8 kids begging either
upper flicker
r/minecraftsuggestions is exactly what I mean
when I say most are garbage
listening to a playerbase is not a requirement
its selling like hotcakes
there's no reason for them to change vision
austere ivy
their vision is nonexistant
upper flicker
says you
austere ivy
it seems like each dev is working on a different idea of a game
upper flicker
mfw Im sitting here defending mojang because thats how bad the arguments are
austere ivy
one dev is concerned about exploration, another is concerned about mobs, another about textures and blocks, meanwhile none of them are connected to eachother so it makes an incoherent mess to play
stiff yarrow
Knowing what kind of things work well in a game is something most people are bad at it turns out.
acoustic pilot
Which is why the majority of customer suggestions/ideas are retarded.
acoustic pilot
rip Paper partnership
stiff yarrow
If you look at mods for any game, most of them are pretty awful and don't mesh well with the vanilla gameplay.
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yeah imagine if they found out a moderator used those
pulsar wigeon
nah tbh customers generally know what they want. they just don't know how to realize that.
acoustic pilot
It's the same thing wiz
stiff yarrow
🙄
pulsar wigeon
in MC case, most player want fun/engaging/whatever gameplay
austere ivy
they just cherrypick features from mods and it makes, yet again, an incoherent mess
austere ivy
horses, polar bears, sifts
acoustic pilot
There are wider implications that they simply don't understand
austere ivy
all of these things are from mods.