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#general
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I mean
pulsar wigeon
yea and they worked out great didn't they
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if they cant touch stuff thats in mods they cant really do anything
pulsar wigeon
especially pistons
austere ivy
Yeah but I'm just saying things like bushes, that they add recently, are so messy and incoherent, it makes no sense.
Things like Natura add berry bushes that you can use, they have unique features, they actually grow and do cool stuff.
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
Minecraft cherrypicked that, and wahddaya know, it doesn't do anything special.
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should make a #semi-coherent-rants channel
tropic flame
do it
stiff yarrow
Brian do you actually think Mojang just peruses shitty mods to lift ideas from
vestal jasper
I mean theres so many mods its hard not to add already done things
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the simpsons already did it
vestal jasper
And thats only half of each update
austere ivy
you too
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no u
stiff yarrow
we need a daycare channel 
acoustic pilot
Hm, in a RabbitMQ fanout exchange, is it not possible to exclude a specific queue for outgoing messages? For example, I don't want the server to send a message to its own queue.
vestal jasper
There's also internal bullshit and non normal gameplay features. Custom boss bars. Resource packs. NBT dependent textures.
austere ivy
what
tropic flame
cavegame was a mistake
pulsar wigeon
notch was a mistake
austere ivy
hold up there
vestal jasper
Minecraft was a mistake
tropic flame
sorry, I went further than y'all
acoustic pilot
Java was a mistake?
tropic flame
cavegame was a-- thanks Byte
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shouldve written the game in erlang like a man
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yeah java's a mistake
wide chasm
The universe was a mistake
pulsar wigeon
i went further tho logics
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we need C
pulsar wigeon
also seriously look at notch's twitter and tell me he's not a mistake
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alright wtf did u say
tropic flame
life is a mistake
acoustic pilot
ASM was also a mistake
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the last time I looked at notch's twitter to see what the outrage was it was like 95% baiting stupid people and 5% semi-edgy teen shit
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it's probably ur elder
stiff yarrow
@upper flicker similar experience
worn ember
C is big gey
stiff yarrow
I didn't see Notch doing anything other than trolling retards
tropic flame
I wonder if Notch got really satisfied with his 2 billion dollars
vestal jasper
PDP's were a mistake
tropic flame
lmao the java islands were a mistake because they gave the name to the language---
acoustic pilot
Notch a bitch. Didn't even offer a noteworthy share of his profit to the people who got him there lol
tropic flame
now I went further than y'all!!
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot didn't he split it with Jen?
pulsar wigeon
lool
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He gave all the devs like 5 or 10k
austere ivy
I'm sure everyone is making fine money though.
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I mean he didnt have to give them shit
austere ivy
They work for Microsoft.
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the game was already on the rise before they were hired
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I dont get too bent out of shape about it
wide chasm
Well, a few thousand dollars salary a month doesn't really compare to 2.5 billion.
acoustic pilot
Dude could've given split like 100 million amongst them, they could've all retired, and Notch would've still had like 2 billion lol
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2 wants that sick sellout money
native thunder
Bill gates could also give us all 1 thousands bucks each
austere ivy
give me 0.01% of your money
vestal jasper
Are you a 1.8 kind of person brian
austere ivy
plseae
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and elon musk could share his wealth with the employees whose backs all his success is based on
wide chasm
1.13 was the rewrite we've been waiting for and then it disappointed.
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idk what world youre living in
vestal jasper
Agreed
austere ivy
On my computer, 1.12 had 100-80 FPS.
tropic flame
lmao 1.13**.2** runs just fine for me
native thunder
Elon musk made his money off paypal tho
austere ivy
here
wide chasm
FPS has consistently been going up for me since 1.8.
vestal jasper
I like 1.13 for the gameplay at least
austere ivy
#define 1.12 1.12.2
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1.13 client runs better than 1.12 client here
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but I probably have a nicer gpu than your potato card
austere ivy
You probably do
worn ember
If you cant run mc in 2019 wtf you doing with your life
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lwjgl3 4 lyfe
austere ivy
it's called I NEED MONEY GIVE IIT TO ME
tropic flame
1.13 client with Optifine runs a bit better than 1.12 client with Optifine here
worn ember
i got 3euro on my bank account
acoustic pilot
gimme
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@worn ember hey I need to borrow 3 euro
austere ivy
Here I had a 150% drop in FPS, I have EXTREME mouse lag.
I'm talking half a second mouse lag.
wide chasm
@worn ember MC started complaining ~3 major versions back that my video card was outdated and may not be able to run MC in the future.
tropic flame
lmao I have 3 and something โฌ in coins of 1, 2 and 5 cents LMAO
wide chasm
Also Windows 10 stopped supporting my video card, so can't play Minecraft on that.
Hence, I use Windows 7.
worn ember
well upgrade then
tropic flame
same, I'm still on 7 because of my CPU
austere ivy
I have a laptop
tropic flame
or actually my motherboard because my BIOS gives me no option to enable virtualization
austere ivy
I have to completely replace it
tropic flame
my CPU technically supports it
austere ivy
we're talking about 500$ so I can run mc
which is worth it
lol
BUT
I'm waiting for new AMD gpus and CPUs.
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot I won't disagree with you but I personally don't think they were entitled to it.
austere ivy
2019 is expected to be a good year.
tropic flame
lol if you pay 500$ to pay mc then you can play other games lol
austere ivy
I forget what's on the horizon but that means things like 1060tis are going down
logics that's why I said which is worth it
tropic flame
yeye
austere ivy
there's a lot of other games and stuff I want to do that I can't atm
native thunder
Zen 2 when
tropic flame
I wish I could at least play GTA IV lol
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soon supposedly
native thunder
Let me retire my Zen 1
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GTA IV runs like shit on everything
hell it ran like shit on consoles
the pc port is not a ton better
acoustic pilot
@stiff yarrow Entitled? No. But certainly a mark of your character to not split something more sizeable amongst the people who got you there, especially when it would still only represent a small fraction of your profit.
stiff yarrow
I don't think so
tropic flame
uh from what I read the console/original version was ok but then PC was half-baked
and that 1.0.4.0 patch is the best for performance because after that patch the shadows become GPU-intensive
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I mean, "ok" as in 25FPS max, 10 when shit started going down
it was not an amazing game on console
if anything PC made it nicer
because you can just throw hardware at the problem
stiff yarrow
It would have been a nice gesture but I don't think I can say I have a problem with him not doing that
tropic flame
how wasn't it good for the consoles though, I doubt sony would allow that??
for the PS3 lmao
acoustic pilot
Guess we disagree there, I say it stains his character.
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I played it on ps3 it didnt run very well
acoustic pilot
Though he seems to do a good job of that on his own in excess, these days, too.
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wish you could gta 4get it huh 2
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not really no
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ur not fun
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ur puns r shit like ur species
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2 ur retarded
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thats racist
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that wouldnt be racist
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ur wacist
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dum fuk
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wow pulling out fuk
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the classics
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am going to discord's help and support team
tropic flame
is 2FA still recommended when your password is already a 20-character randomly generated string that you need a password manager to use?
acoustic pilot
@tropic flame That's kind of a dumb question.
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doesn't hurt to have more security :>
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@static badge you used thatr word quite a few times, they really like that :>
tropic flame
@acoustic pilot I'm actually asking it seriously
acoustic pilot
It's like, you have to ask yourself, why does 2FA exist in the first place?
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2 ur retarded
acoustic pilot
And then you realize, your question is dumb.
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certainly will be when discord bans you
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tropic flame
well I ask myself why it exists when it introduces an extra code to put at login that is sent through SMS (or some random app that the company supports and then you probably end up with +4 different ones for different websites), recovery codes you gotta save for the case your phone gets stolen or bricked
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@implNote
tropic flame
is it me that I'm lazy for all of that
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2
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that's not an annotation
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its not a tag either
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot I don't really follow what he does post Minecraft, maybe if I was closer to the situation it would bother me but as an outsider these people who worked under him were paid which is already compensation for working on the project. After he sold it they still remained at the company as far as I know, and I can only assume they are being paid fairly.
I will say that if I were in Notch's position I almost certainly would have made it rain on the few employees I had before my exit, but I can't fault him for not doing that.
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didnt stop you
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well the <br> tag certainly stopped you
acoustic pilot
Well, I can and do fault him. But I'm also a strong believer in redistribution of wealth, mostly to the working class.
acoustic pilot
The fact that billionaires exist at all is a bit disgusting to me.
But that's a whole other can of worms.
tropic flame
isn't that like borderline communism
acoustic pilot
To understand my position, you sort of have to understand that.
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yeah no I do understand that position, it's "reeeeee people have a lot of money"
"and im not a fan of that"
wide chasm
grabs popcorn
austere ivy
who here
was talking about
oh yeah
Yeah so I'm waiting on Zen 3 and everything price dropping before I spend 500$ to build a computer that could soon be outdated (in comparison to what I could get then with 500$)
tropic flame
it would also be nice that we all donated to africa, but not all of us do, because it's not technically a problem of our own
even if that sounds cold
it's not my fault that they're in the situation they are
austere ivy
what
tropic flame
it's called a comparison
acoustic pilot
Just wait until automation outpaces human job growth, redistribution of wealth will be a front and center political issue that resonates with a lot more people.
Though it probably won't happen for another hundred years lol.
tropic flame
@austere ivy what I said wasn't about you lol dw
austere ivy
my opinion is, is that Africa isn't doing well in their individual communities
acoustic pilot
It'll snowball, eventually.
austere ivy
some parts are barely in the industrial age
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it'll be interesting but I don't think that'll be the winning solution :>
austere ivy
so if they can't sustain themselves
tropic flame
you still need humans to automate the robots
austere ivy
if we give them food and then suddenly just stop, they'll have more children but then can't sustain those children
tropic flame
robots don't make robots themselves
acoustic pilot
You won't need very many to fill that role.
acoustic pilot
Eventually robots will be making and automating themselves, yes.
And there will be excess unemployment
So you either tax the robots, or figure out something else.
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robots will be our doom
acoustic pilot
But taxing robots is a form of wealth redistribution
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kill us all like in terminator
even john connor
he's fucking dead i guarantee you
acoustic pilot
Like I said, human unemployment will eventually snowball as automation outpaces job growth.
wide chasm
Unless we halt/slow it.
acoustic pilot
It's an inevitable reality so long as there isn't any war to slow it down.
acoustic pilot
@wide chasm That's already what we're sort of doing, slowing it down.
but industries will lobby strongly for automation, as they do for everything else that benefits the company, teh shareholders and the execs.
while the working class is stiffed
acoustic pilot
Eventually all the unskilled labor will be phased out, that'll be the first to go.
austere ivy
there's shareholders who hold Teh?
tropic flame
I wouldn't be surprised if we tried to halt it, and honestly I don't know if I would be against it
acoustic pilot
Then AI/ML/NN will take over the skilled labor.
So things like UBI will be an impactful political issue down the line, not any time soon, but eventually.
And that UBI has to come from somewhere
I say taxing robots, probably.
tropic flame
some things are just not meant to leave the lab lmao
gusty idol
Do you prefer this?
acoustic pilot
Otherwise gonna end up with unemployed masses, perhaps leading to chaotic legislation like sterilization, or just billions living in slums under shitty conditions
gusty idol
Or this?
tropic flame
what's the change you're doing, color scheme? @gusty idol
austere ivy
when a robot does a WAY better job of it?
wide chasm
@acoustic pilot Wait until robot ethics get involved in this and they suddenly need salaries too ๐
gusty idol
No, I'm talking about the way the test is written
austere ivy
lol
robot ethics are nonexistant
people think AI is like whoa so powerful
in reality
it's if statement
tropic flame
lmao I'd pay to see robots discussing about abortion
austere ivy
making hydraulics go back and forth
acoustic pilot
@wide chasm Not a joke, robot ethics will be a thing, that's much further down the line, though
Robotic sentience is inevitable.
wide chasm
Of course they'll be a thing, but I just don't want to think about it.
austere ivy
and since humans want to see EVERYTHING as having a conscience we'll see silicon
sentience would be faked, Byteflux
if we don't give them the ability to have ethics
they won't have ethics
simple as that
wide chasm
Good luck drawing the line between a human brain and a robot brain i.e. it's chip.
tropic flame
robot 1: this is a life, therefore you cannot kill it!
robot 2: but sir, we are actually... made of metal and electricity
robot 1: ... yeah you're right
abortion made legal for robots
acoustic pilot
Not in our lifetimes, but it will be a thing
austere ivy
highly doubt
acoustic pilot
Government can't enforce their will on everybody/
austere ivy
byteflux
wide chasm
I'm certain it'll be a thing.
austere ivy
even if I'm wrong who can say I'M WRONG RIGHT NOW!? ;D
Not like you guys will ever see it.
acoustic pilot
Even if there are laws prohibiting it, there will always be a black market for it.
acoustic pilot
Someone will illegally create sentient robots.
austere ivy
"mhm, 12k if statements in this bad boy"
acoustic pilot
Yes.
wide chasm
It first starts with some random people on the internet saying how it's unfair robots don't have rights. Then people laugh and within a few decennia there are serious political discussions about it.
tropic flame
yeye I got these insulated cocaine cables LMAO @austere ivy
austere ivy
just like ๐
acoustic pilot
Once they've been created, they exist, you either shut them down or you debate the ethics, or both
austere ivy
4chan legit made ๐ into a white supremacist symbol
nice job 4chan
they also did the put your iphone into a microwave thing
tropic flame
who cares about 4chan
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I have yet to meet anyone irl who gives a shit what 4chan says the ๐ means
tropic flame
yes
stiff yarrow
๐
austere ivy
I have yet to meet anyone irl who cares about me misgendering them
but there are people out there
and we can't ignore them just because we haven't seem them irl
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if you let stupid people take normal symbols and turn them into symbols of hate or stupidity, you're just as stupid
I dont ignore them
tropic flame
mfw I forget netbeans only has a "light theme" and my eyes get killed on window switching
austere ivy
^
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I call them fucking stupid
austere ivy
^
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what are they going to do write about it on their blog
stiff yarrow
I share sentiments with Z
gusty idol
Wow he said the F word on this Christian server
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glances at topic
gusty idol
๐
acoustic pilot
Interesting, human cloning isn't banned in the US.
Numerous attempts have been made, but failed.
gusty idol
What
tropic flame
oh thank god it is banned in europe!!!1
native thunder
rip notre dame
acoustic pilot
Bush Jr actually vetoed two bills to ban human cloning lol
austere ivy
what
"religion only exists to make wars
at this moment it's pretty much its purpose"
I disagree but ok
tropic flame
for the big bang theory to be mostly accepted, there must be some things around that make the scientists think it actually happened, right?
acoustic pilot
@worn ember Apparently primates have been successfully cloned, also Dolly's death supposedly wasn't related to her being a clone.
tropic flame
I'd prefer to believe that than in some big bearded man looking at me from the sky eating cereals everyday at breakfast
acoustic pilot
Yes apparently it was China that successfully cloned the primates
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god damn china
acoustic pilot
So human cloning probably isn't too far off
gilded hill
acoustic pilot
Another few decades maybe, or more, but not too far off
tropic flame
can clone primates but not a stable country 
austere ivy
I disagree, Logics.
acoustic pilot
China is stable, though? I mean, they aren't as economically prosperous, relatively speaking, but within the past decade, China has uplifted nearly 800 million people out of poverty and into the Chinese middle class (which, again, relatively speaking isn't as prosperous as western nations, but a huge step up)
It's actually quite impressive.
austere ivy
I think it all is dependent on how the universe started, but no one can really know that. Rather, I like to start from the historical validity of the bible, whether it was faked or not. There's various evidence that says the bible is historically valid (in the sense it was real when it was written, and not faked later on.) and you can just go from there.
Again in 70 years none of this will matter.
I'm going to bet some of you are going to get dementia or something so maybe 50 years for some lol.
So we can argue all you want, but it really just comes down to what happens after you die.
We know that we're all here, we are somehow here, and I choose to believe that an omniscient God has created us, rather than us just poofing out of nothing.
stiff yarrow
๐
austere ivy
he's the one who started it ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Gives me some hope in the afterlife, it sure is a lot better than just imagining there's nothing.
tropic flame
it's funny to think that dinosaurs were his first try of some cool living creatures lmao
stiff yarrow
let's not get into religious discussion either
tropic flame
and then he probably thought like "hmmm they are too big, kill them"
austere ivy
Alright.
The popular ideas are that there's nothing that happens when you die, or there's the christian afterlife when you die. One of them gives me hope, so.. yeah.
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enough about your preferred rationalizations
austere ivy
let's get onto today's segment of... drumroll
acoustic pilot
Gonna be a shitty day for all of you when you find out the Mormons were right.
^_^
austere ivy
lol
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its the magic underwear
wide chasm
I hope there isn't an afterlife.
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real shit when you realise the leafs were right
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leafs are cancer
void void
I can use api to download latest version 1.12.2?
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i hope there is an afterlife so I can continue the leaf war
tropic flame
I don't need to be buddhist to believe in reincarnation lmao, I mean if it's supposed to comfort me then I hope we get reborn as new people in this earth after we die
void void
For ptero egg
wide chasm
One life is more than enough, I don't need another.
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let's be real ur braincells are probably going to form again
wide chasm
Maybe
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I mean you have like 3 so the chances are greatly increased
tropic flame
you don't know
acoustic pilot
That's not how Buddhist rebirth works.
austere ivy
oh.
stiff yarrow
๐
austere ivy
how's it work
acoustic pilot
Way off the mark there, buddy.
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@void void api provides it, no idea if ptero has eggs that use it
tropic flame
that's why I said I don't need to be buddhist for that @acoustic pilot
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idk it's how I became a leaf
austere ivy
iirc you keep getting reincarnated until you're a good person?
tropic flame
mainly because I find buddhist's view stupid lmao
acoustic pilot
Just stop lol
acoustic pilot
Stop talking about something like you know it, when you know nothing about it.
austere ivy
never said I knew about it xD
austere ivy
that's just my opinion /shrug
acoustic pilot
Maybe you didn't say it, but you behaved and said things as if you did.
stiff yarrow
but if he did that he'd be silent
austere ivy
I might not have a good one..
wide chasm
I thought my religion teacher said something about rebirth into animals as well as humans and then you go up until you're a good person or something and then congrats you don't reincarnate? Idk, whatever, too complicated for me.
I don't take religion seriously at school
tropic flame
if I get to choose then it's okay for me
acoustic pilot
If you actually care to educate yourself on the particulars, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_(Buddhism)
tropic flame
there will be one point where I'll get tired of getting reborn lol
austere ivy
acoustic pilot
Personally, I don't care much for buddhism other than the aspects of it that can be carried over to taoism.
limber knotBOT
maybe you'll care more for it on the next incarnation
wide chasm
looks up taoism
worn ember
buddhism, taoism, autism, all the same thing really
austere ivy
here's the thing
tropic flame
in the other hand though, I guess knowing that it will end some day and it's actually over makes it more fun for many people
austere ivy
how on earth would they know these things
limber knotBOT
oof that is some serious edge you got there darkeyedragon
wide chasm
Can't you say that about any religion?
tropic flame
@worn ember LMAO
limber knotBOT
don't go running with it
stiff yarrow
I prefer Shinto 
limber knotBOT
I'm partial to norse mythology
worn ember
I mean, i'm pretty convinced that being death is just like being asleep
limber knotBOT
because there is some seriously good power metal made about it
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yes you can literally say that about any religion
austere ivy
with christianity, it's more about the documentation about real life events
limber knotBOT
and any religion that spawns good power metal is a good religion to me
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thats why they're faiths
limber knotBOT
also the new god of war
austere ivy
with buddhism you literally can't know, because once you die apparently you go to another realm so you can't communicate with this one? I dunno I didn't read that much into it
acoustic pilot
The bible is heresay.
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if you take the bible as a historical document youre a fucking retard
worn ember
imo, religion was just "invented" to keep people obediant
acoustic pilot
An infallible being didn't write the bible, FYI.
austere ivy
^
acoustic pilot
And it's been translated countless times.
tropic flame
I'm not christian but christmas gives me food and easter gives me chocolate so why would I hate it
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come at me randoms
worn ember
at least christianity
austere ivy
and it's not all one book.
tropic flame
wait is easter christian actually?
wide chasm
The bible also describes the afterlife with Heaven etc. I don't think you can really proive that either.
austere ivy
yes
tropic flame
alright
worn ember
yes
stiff yarrow
the Bible has as much credibility as any religious document
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its probably another pagan holiday they stole
stiff yarrow
cosmic raft
Walls being pained today. Left is new colour, right is old colour
austere ivy
Nice, kash.
acoustic pilot
So you're just putting your faith in heresay
worn ember
the deadn't of jesus
acoustic pilot
Heresay that's been translated thousands of times.
austere ivy
what do you put your faith into byteflux
worn ember
i put my faith in bits and bytes
acoustic pilot
Oops ๐ฆ
limber knotBOT
also, that's heresy
acoustic pilot
I definitely meant hearsay
wide chasm
Only thing I remember about christianity is that Jesus was born, then died, then... not? Idk, it ends there or something.
worn ember
hear say
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if they dont say can you still hear though
stiff yarrow
believe whatever you want to believe as long as I don't have to participate
acoustic pilot
People wrote the bible, people translated it, it's highly questionable. As much as any scripture.
limber knotBOT
hey
limber knotBOT
I take offense to that, as a translator
acoustic pilot
Certainly not scripture.
worn ember
Jesus is my dad
austere ivy
also
acoustic pilot
I put faith in a cosmic higher power, but not scripture.
austere ivy
byteflux
worn ember
Skripture
acoustic pilot
Called the universe.
unreal quarry
900 y/o man builds boat that holds 2 of every species on the planet.
austere ivy
One, do you know the definition of heresy?
unreal quarry
runs
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If I put slowmode on I just want you to know its not because youre spamming, its because this is literally giving me cancer
stiff yarrow
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wide chasm
As long as there is no good evidence, I don't believe in it.
acoustic pilot
I'm referring to hear say, not heresy.
stiff yarrow
Discord has a slow mode?
worn ember
wouldnt that cause massive incest anyway lmao
limber knotBOT
it's HEARSAY ONE WORD
austere ivy
darkeye
limber knotBOT
how hard it is
limber knotBOT
jesus christ
austere ivy
which is also massive incest
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
maybe not lol
stiff yarrow
Brian you seem very educated
austere ivy
i'm an uneducated idiot so
worn ember
Adam+Eve = incest fest
limber knotBOT
maybe you'd agree with what the bible says if you had the vocabulary required to understand what's written in it
austere ivy
in the bible, God ordered people to stop incest
unreal quarry
Fun fact: Every painting of Adam and Eve has them with belly buttons ;)
stiff yarrow
acoustic pilot
Hearsay, as in its definition information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
acoustic pilot
Not heresy, as in being a heretic.
austere ivy
so
wide chasm
Both the start of the universe from scientific standpoint as religious standpoint is "we don't know, but I guess it's something like this", so I don't care about it.
austere ivy
people in the medieval ages weren't very smart either way.
worn ember
god put a baby in Mary without her knowing, which technically makes it rape
stiff yarrow
I believe in the one true pepe 
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oh boy
austere ivy
Scientific standpoint and religious standpoint both say "we don't know, but we guess" and that's my entire point.
unreal quarry
Another fun fact: Eve was not Adams first wife.. or his second. ;)
austere ivy
One has an afterlife that's filled with good, and one has an afterlife that's filled with nothing.
worn ember
did he do the snake too?
limber knotBOT
is that a bad thing billy?
austere ivy
I choose to believe in the one that gives me some hope at least
upper flicker
I regret adding the templeos emote
austere ivy
also billy source of that please
wide chasm
I want the afterlife with nothing, so I'll pick that one.
upper flicker
I see terry himself is with us
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
it's not like christianity was there before to teach him better
placid thicket
hello again friends, not to interrupt this epic debate but can someone help me decipher this error in a plugin? plugin is MuteSystem https://pastebin.com/SiK40kZ3
worn ember
wide chasm
That was on accident
austere ivy
@placid thicket
unreal quarry
I'm just pointing out people with faith know less about their book than atheists like me ^_^ don't mind me
austere ivy
you're in the wrong section
wide chasm
Please don't hurt me.
tropic flame
I know lmao I just found it funny
acoustic pilot
@placid thicket Try #paper-help
austere ivy
this is #general @placid thicket, this means that there is nothing of any fruitful discussion here
if you need actual help go to #paper-help.
acoustic pilot
If someone cares enough, they'll help.
placid thicket
RIP, my bad
limber knotBOT
idk, I feel like I am teaching basic english lessons to people who probably have english as their first language
austere ivy
nowhere in the bible does it say it's an apple
limber knotBOT
the very definition of productive
tropic flame
yeah it was a golden apple /s
wide chasm
I was taught an apple, so I just went with that.
worn ember
@placid thicket Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.bukkit.craftbukkit.libs.jline.internal.InputStreamReader
you're missing a lib or you're not shading it correctly
unreal quarry
@austere ivy look up Judith. She's my favorite wife of Adam, but she's been lost in translation over the centuries.
upper flicker
wrong channel
worn ember
no u
worn ember
go suck my pp zz
upper flicker
no u
austere ivy
judith isn't officially accepted as a true document
acoustic pilot
A very clear example of the fallibility of humans and why putting so much faith in it is so questionable lol
worn ember
judith is a thot
worn ember
๐ข
limber knotBOT
I have a bodypillow of her
acoustic pilot
The bible is a product of human fallibility, too.
tropic flame
judithot
acoustic pilot
All scripture is
limber knotBOT
is it wrong to have a body pillow of jesus
finite wave
Giant horse xoxk
wide chasm
So, has anyone recently found a good scientific article or something?
stiff yarrow
I don't mind people believing in silly stories if it doesn't affect my daily life
worn ember
about?
wide chasm
@finite wave Yes, please
wide chasm
Went for the leaf I see ๐
worn ember
fukin haskell
finite wave
Itโs actually interesting
unreal quarry
Dig deeper, @austere ivy ;) I barely showed you this rabbit hole. It's up to you to go as as far you want to know ^_^
worn ember
C Ninja in the lead bois
finite wave
Read the text you idiot
worn ember
no thanks
i already need to read enough papers to make my report on selfdriving cars lmao
wide chasm
Papers? Why not Wikipedia? /s
worn ember
cuz you cant copy past 30 pages out of it
acoustic pilot
Welp, got my answer. There's no way to exclude a specific queue in a fanout exchange in RabbitMQ, have to discard the message in the client.
upper flicker
self driving cars no bueno yet, many challenges, humans, legal, technical, augmented driving current, so far is mostly ok
there's your paper
glhf
worn ember
@upper flicker did you know its illegal to be a nub
wide chasm
@worn ember I see you aren't specialised in plagiarising from Wikipedia. First you take that text, if it isn't enough you take their sources' text as text.
unreal quarry
Long as Microsoft doesn't make those cars we'll be ok. Don't need bsod to become literal
upper flicker
@worn ember why arent you in jail then
woven otter
human issue is simple: prefer to drive over a crowd if you have to choose 1 person vs crowd
wide chasm
I had to write some stupid 40 page thing on Artificial Intelligence. Which I then just plagiarised Wikipedia for. 66.7% ain't bad.
worn ember
@wide chasm theres plagiarizing checks tho, it'll literally know if you copied text, like from all the college database but also wikipedia and whatever other sites
its insane
upper flicker
if you're copy and pasting shit from wikipedia you basically have it coming
wide chasm
@worn ember That was the case for me as well. That's why you rephrase it.
worn ember
yeah
upper flicker
if you cant read a few articles and form an opinion then phrase your opinion and cite it, idk what youre doing
worn ember
you just copy it and rephrase it
"opinion"
i cant fill 20-40 pages with an opinion tho
upper flicker
yes you can
wide chasm
Of course you can, look at religion they filled whole books with them
upper flicker
oh no
wide chasm
runs
upper flicker
pls no
worn ember
well at least they burn for a while
limber knotBOT
much harder to fill 20-40 pages with facts backed up by reference texts
acoustic pilot
The only kind of book burning I approve of ๐
upper flicker
sure it is
its your opinion based on the facts you cite
even research papers are laden with opinion
upper flicker
I get why they say that
limber knotBOT
uh
limber knotBOT
you usually start scientific experiments by explaining the results you are sort of expecting
upper flicker
what they usually mean with stupid things like that is "make sure you cover both sides before making your decision"
fringe quartz
@acoustic pilot seems like extra work to exclude a queue in a fanout
Just FaF is what I do
but most importantly expire ya messages
acoustic pilot
It's seemingly impossible, so just ignoring the message in the client works fine if it originates from itself.
fringe quartz
i wasn't doing that and found 750k messages in a queue
acoustic pilot
That's probably because you set up your queue incorrectly lol
fringe quartz
I just broadcast immediately expiring messages
acoustic pilot
Or your consumer isn't acking the messages
fringe quartz
Yeah I didn't know wtf I was doing at the time
acoustic pilot
My queues are auto-delete, non-persistent and my consumer is auto-acknowledging. Perfect for my use case.
fringe quartz
I haven't gotten to the point where I want deliveries to be waited on yet, but soon probably will be
Yeah I don't think I do auto-ack
What's your use case?
acoustic pilot
Plugin messaging to replace Bungee/Spigot's messaging APIs
fringe quartz
RIght
static badge
personally I just use winsock for that
fringe quartz
Yeah we use rabbit for all of our cross-server comms
including server heartbeats
which were what I was pooling up and had no idea
acoustic pilot
The fanout exchange is what I use for it because it's basically identical to the behavior of those APIs, but I'll probably set up direct exchanges too for direct server-to-server communication.
fringe quartz
Yeah, heartbeats fanout; every server is aware of the status of every other
then we just use direct for PvP matchmaking and the like
acoustic pilot
I was just looking to prevent the server from sending a message to itself lol
Seems best way to do that is just ignore the message in the consumer if it originates from itself
fringe quartz
ahh
acoustic pilot
Just had to track the server ID in the message https://i.imgur.com/D8SIkDv.png
fringe quartz
that is a displeasing color scheme...
acoustic pilot
ur existence is displeasing
upper flicker
its a little colorful
fringe quartz
Interesting your consumeQueue
worn ember
its a rainbow, cant you see?
acoustic pilot
It's the Dracula theme in Material Themes UI
acoustic pilot
stiff yarrow
acoustic pilot
ConsumeTask is an async task, and postEvent() is different based on Bungee vs Spigot.
stiff yarrow
oof is that strings as magic numbers
static badge
strings as magic numbers :LUL:
acoustic pilot
On Spigot I ensure that the events are posted on the main thread https://i.imgur.com/bFCx8Rd.png
upper flicker
@stiff yarrow mcmmo-kraken addon when
fringe quartz
Is yours to be a public plugin or something?
acoustic pilot
nope
stiff yarrow
@upper flicker the deep ones sleep for now
upper flicker
acoustic pilot
I expect that most of the time I want to handle messages will be on the main thread in Spigot
Just what I'm expecting
fringe quartz
Ah, that has not historically been the case for me
acoustic pilot
I currently am not handling any messages yet so not sure
fringe quartz
Most of my communications do work async with some last-minute things maybe be sync
And then just sending messages to players doesn't need to be on the main thread, or sync
acoustic pilot
I'm guessing that I might be using Bukkit APIs in the message event handlers, but not entirely sure yet.
worn ember
๐ค
fringe quartz
Yeah, you could be; I guess I just don't make that assumption, and then when i see an error in console, I go fire that code or whatever it is as a Bukkit synctask
worn ember
spot the mistake
acoustic pilot
The Bungee one is a lot simpler, obv because there is no main thread https://i.imgur.com/rEjkMaA.png
fringe quartz
You should extract variables
gloomy sphinx
i managed to get in on songodas beta testing now im a tester. found 25 bugs in 1 plugin lol
fringe quartz
But that's my thing
acoustic pilot
the colors?
stiff yarrow
yea
static badge
yeah that's too many
acoustic pilot
I dunno, I guess I just like vibrant color schemes lol
fringe quartz
๐ณ๏ธโ๐
worn ember
(he's accoustic)
stiff yarrow
I odn't think my eyes like bright color schemes
acoustic pilot
Looks great with the Nyan Progress Bars too lol
fringe quartz
maybe u r not a rainbow
stiff yarrow
I've got the NYAN thing as well
static badge
.g nyan progress bars
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8575-nyan-progress-bar -- Nyan Progress Bar - Plugins | JetBrains: "1.12 NPE 1.11 fix indeterminate progress bar (remove dashed style) 1.10 remove hidpi bug workaround (see:..."
worn ember
@upper flicker https://i.imgur.com/slsAudA.gifv idk, i got bored
upper flicker
it needs a name
stiff yarrow
upper flicker
that is ... uh... a lot of pixels
worn ember
@fringe quartz its been there for a while now
stiff yarrow
it was made from a vector
static badge
a single vector?
worn ember
vectors are still pixels ree
static badge
god tier
stiff yarrow
worn ember
is this an OC?
stiff yarrow
yes it was made by a friend
worn ember
it must become a meme
stiff yarrow
I should probably have my friend do the nossr man in different poses
void void
Will be meme soon
worn ember
@upper flicker train an ai that draws him in different poses
upper flicker
rotates in photoshop
stiff yarrow
he usually does trace vectors of weeb shit for fun
nossr man was an OC tho
I'd link his weeb vector collection but you get put on a list for looking at them 
https://i.imgur.com/jl9VEWV.png this is one I had him trace that isn't NSFW
austere ivy
howdy
what does everyone think of this:
public static String parseConfig(byte type, String make, String configkey, Object... formats) {
if (type == 0) {
// Default prefix.
return colorString(main.getConfig().getString("tfc_prefix") + " " + String.format(main.getConfig().getString(configkey), formats));
}
if (type == 1) {
// Custom prefix.
return colorString(main.getConfig().getString(make + "_prefix") + " " + String.format(main.getConfig().getString(configkey), formats));
}
if (type == 2) {
// No prefix.
return colorString(String.format(main.getConfig().getString(configkey), formats));
}
if (type == 3) {
// Multiline.
return colorString("&" + main.getConfig().getString(make + "_color") + "&l> " + String.format(main.getConfig().getString(configkey), formats));
}
}
terrible
austere ivy
:(
fringe quartz
I think you also should extract variables.
austere ivy
basically I have a pretty strict style for my server
pulsar wigeon
magic numbers, use of static main, repetition, etc...
fringe quartz
What's make?
worn ember
you should probably use enums for those numbers or something
pulsar wigeon
if/else switch without an else
could just be a normal switch
that also gives a default
austere ivy
hm
pulsar wigeon
which atm you don't have, meaning that doesn't compile
austere ivy
My server has a pretty strict style.
worn ember
it'll compile fine but it wont cover all cases
austere ivy
HONESTLY shhhhhhhhh
pulsar wigeon
darkeyedragon: no it won't
austere ivy
:(
fringe quartz
TBF you asked; don't get mad that we responded to your question
pulsar wigeon
no you listen
fringe quartz
Yes, we just said it
pulsar wigeon
your code sucks, we gave you suggestions to improve it
austere ivy
I was previously doing this:
pulsar wigeon
take it or shut the fuck up and leave
austere ivy
public static String formatConfig(String prefixkey, String configkey, Object... formats) {
return colorString(main.getConfig().getString(prefixkey) + " " + String.format(main.getConfig().getString(configkey), formats));
}
public static String formatConfig(Boolean useprefix, String configkey, Object... formats) {
if (useprefix) {
return colorString(main.getConfig().getString("tfc_prefix") + " " + String.format(main.getConfig().getString(configkey), formats));
}
return colorString(String.format(main.getConfig().getString(configkey), formats));
}
toxic++
austere ivy
Alright tell me how to do this in code.
worn ember
we wont spoonfeed you dude
austere ivy
I need a way that I can give a function the category, and a config key, and optionally formats and it spits back out a proper message.
pulsar wigeon
we literally gave you suggestions. if you want us to write your code, pay us
i start at $70/hr for contracting work
acoustic pilot
nossr is cheap, $5/hr
austere ivy
Currently style is, is that all messages begin with &7[&(category color)(category)&7]&r
worn ember
main.getConfig().getString(configkey) you use this part like 3-4 times, make it a local variable
austere ivy
and multiline begins with &(categorycolor)&l>
pulsar wigeon
no one gives a shit about the contents of your style/messages
we're talking about your code
native thunder
wiz is slowly being driven insane by this chat haha
austere ivy
you think I don't know how bad the code is? that's why I'm here lol
worn ember
we literally told you what to change...
worn ember
scroll up and read again
tropic flame
maybe brian uses eclipse and compiles with errors
fringe quartz
@austere ivy This probably doesn't compile because idk what all your other methods are, but this is a step in the right direction: https://hasteb.in/viyeyiho.js
though you can minify it way more than that
you seem to do String.format(main.getConfig().getString(configkey), formats)) in all 4 cases
austere ivy
Still looks like a mess on here.
stiff yarrow
@austere ivy
Use switch over if else chains
Also you aren't returning anything guaranteed so your IDE will complain
Also couldn't this just be a method why does this need to be 4 if statements
does the method need to be public?
does the method need to be static?
what the hell is formats and why is it an Object
if formats is a type pass its type
woven otter
Lol based on a spreadsheet I made to figure out a price for a plugin that client asked me to make I value myself at 4.5$/h
austere ivy
austere ivy
what?
fringe quartz
it's a disease
austere ivy
no ,_,
fringe quartz
also your method is called parseConfig but what it really does is return a formatted string
fringe quartz
So it's a very abstractly named method that doesn't do what I would think based on its name
austere ivy
if you pass anything BUT a configKey you get a plugin runtime error
vestal jasper
O cryptite is in here
austere ivy
This entire thing is just for me to be a bit lazier on writing messages.
vestal jasper
hi crypt
fringe quartz
Also what's your use case? Passing arbitrary bytes as your method to distinguish how its formatted is really weird
stiff yarrow
@austere ivy that's not parsing a config
pulsar wigeon
that's very much not parsing a config
austere ivy
I was gonna name it formatConfig
pulsar wigeon
that's formatting a string which comes from your config
stiff yarrow
its not formatting a config either
pulsar wigeon
tbh this should be two things: 1) get string from config 2) format string
austere ivy
it is now named formatConfigString
pulsar wigeon
that's still retarded
austere ivy
lol
stiff yarrow
that is better but still bad
pulsar wigeon
adding String to the end doesn't change that
fringe quartz
Instead of a byte you could use an enum which might make more sense (inferred enums here) https://hastebin.com/uhecareyop.js
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot idk if I trust a kid to send me money and not chargeback
austere ivy
all of this is just so it can be easier
for me to send messages
I had it before where I manually put in the prefix and the message and formatted that
so then I made another thing before this but still had to manually put in prefix
so it's just a pain if I have to write MessageType.MULTILINE and MessageType.NOPREFIX rather than 1, 2, and 3.
A lot less readable for everyone but I'm the only one working on it.
fringe quartz
Don't get into bad habits just because you're the only author
You'll screw yourself over in the future
austere ivy
yeah I'd probably scream if I saw this code lol
fringe quartz
that's a good metric then
it's good that you asked here because it means you want to learn
stiff yarrow
you don't have to use ENUMs specifically but okay
fringe quartz
just prepare for w r a t h
if your own code makes you scream that's a good sign you should change it
stiff yarrow
switch(magicNumber)
{
case 1:
case 2:
case 3:
default:
}```there you go you can now use your magic numbers
pulsar wigeon
don't encourage retardation nossr
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
yeah I know it's awful code
but how would you guys do it
I'm not asking you to spoonfeed m
me
but can you tHINK of any other way to do my specific usecase?
pulsar wigeon
"i know it's bad but i don't want to fix it. i just want to ask for advice and then discard it"
fuck off pls
austere ivy
I'm not discarding it
pulsar wigeon
you were told a lot of things to do
stiff yarrow
does it need to be a switch
fringe quartz
show us some example(s) of how you actually use that method?
stiff yarrow
it doesn't seem like it
pulsar wigeon
come back when you've done it
austere ivy
here's what I'm at.
oh uh
This is using old syntax, so that's why I'm trying to kinda redo it.
player.sendMessage(Misc.formatConfig("rules_prefix", "msg_rules"));
player.sendMessage(Misc.formatConfig("msg_gamemode_change", "Survival"));
vestal jasper
pulsar wigeon
is this guy actually using eclipse with errors turned off
austere ivy
hold on lol
pulsar wigeon
because those calls straight up won't compile
pulsar wigeon
even with the old syntax you gave us
austere ivy
ALRIGHT SO
fringe quartz
Let your IDE do renames for you
austere ivy
That's what I had before
fringe quartz
oh
austere ivy
that's what I'm trying to clean
fringe quartz
what do you have now
austere ivy
and remake
I'm doing this because I realized I need multilines.
The way I'm doing it is specifically because of this: In my server, I have it so there's different categories in my plugin, and each category has a specific color. Rules is &c and such. So you can see with that, I can just give it the "make" (such as rules) and then it searches the config with rules_prefix and rules_color
So then I can just give it any formats I want to do, the make, the actual message after the prefix, and the type (multiline, no prefix, etc) and badabing badaboom that's it. Issue is, is that if you specify the type as no prefix, you still have to enter A prefix.
Which is why overloading it (which is what I did before) helped fix that.
It all fell apart when I needed to overload a possibility of putting your own custom prefix (String prefixkey, String configkey, Object... formats) and (String configkey, Object... formats)
would interfere..
So THEN I tried using this:
Very ever so slightly different.
You now need to put in a boolean. Unnecessary, kind of ugly.
That's when it struck me, instead of a boolean I could just use a byte and have specific things for different byte values.
But then it comes back to the problem that you still have to put in a prefix even if you put MessageType.NOPREFIX .. so.
kinda a mess.
limber knotBOT
mfw mojang's brigadier command checker is broken for /particle ;_;
austere ivy
I'll take anything I can get with this though, as it's a lot better than EVERY SINGLE SEND MESSAGE looking like this:
limber knotBOT
pulsar wigeon
that's why nossr said use different methods
so each method takes exactly the params it needs
instead of stuff all params in one method
austere ivy
`player.sendMessage(colorString(main.getConfig().getString("rules_prefix") + " " + String.format(main.getConfig().getString("specific_message"), formats));
And wizjany
again, it all falls apart since String.. formats
pulsar wigeon
it won't if you use it correctly
austere ivy
like this:
pulsar wigeon
player.sendMessage(Misc.format(configKey, args...))
player.sendMessage(Misc.formatWithPrefix(configKey, "customPrefix", args...))