general

[cosmic raft]

implying a facebook product doesn't have a backdoor

[onyx steeple]

return 444; 😄

[cosmic raft]

@heady spear define "broken query string"

[void void]

python urllib generates broken qs

Imagine using python

or used to

idk

Lmfao

[heady spear]

Well, some clients line to include a bunch of stupid shit like port numbers and whatnot in the entity name

[cosmic raft]

what?

[acoustic pilot]

urllib2 or urllib3?

[heady spear]

Yes.

[void void]

@void void what's the matter with python lol

@acoustic pilot basically do you remember bukkit JSONAPI plugin?

Imagine not using only JavaScript for everything you need

/s

[acoustic pilot]

I remember it, never used it, tho

[void void]

/s

might've been its fault tbh

[acoustic pilot]

highly likely lol

[void void]

but i recall that python's query string gen was broken

eg. if i wanted to call "/say hello world"

i'd get

[acoustic pilot]

urllib is super mainstream, feel like any flaws there would be known and patched

[void void]

'/say+hello+world'

Cursed idea change all pluses to spaces

that's what jsonapi sample did iirc lol

Cursed

Cursed

Cursed

That implementation should not exist

you shouldn't exist

[acoustic pilot]

if it's like PHP, there might be like 2 separate methods of encoding URLs lol

[void void]

we don't talk about php

[onyx steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-skeleton-spoopy-trumpet-shivers-gif-7579521

[void void]

PHP ^^^

tell ur mom to use heavy duty protection next time

:^)

She uses zelix already sorry

yeee minedown porting to kyori's text library is not so straightforward

as i thought

md69's components are mutable, that's the main reason why

[cosmic raft]

yes, and I use builders instead

[void void]

i'll just wrap it with deserializer/serializer, fuck it

[cosmic raft]

o.O

[void void]

zelix website is so 90's

i love it and hate it at the same time

It makes for a great meme

should suggest zelix to move to gopher

[atomic marten]

Just a comment on the python convo, requests is the standard for web requests, which other languages have libraries modeled after, Just to name a couple nodejs’s request library, and rusts reqwest library.

[void void]

sad that requests does not support asyncio though

[atomic marten]

There is request-futures

[void void]

Theres https://aiohttp.readthedocs.io/en/stable/

if you want your asyncio

[atomic marten]

Replace futures with threads if you want that, a gvent version also works

Yea aiohttp is a better choice than futures

[void void]

yeah aiohttp works, been using that for a while

but as a drop in replacment

:p

that's what i meant

drop in replacement with minimal changes*

[atomic marten]

Can always use raw sockets

[void void]

no ty

[atomic marten]

I’ve done it before, it isn’t that bad

[void void]

i worked with raw sockets in C for some time, i don't want to touch that shit with 5ft pole for a long time

[atomic marten]

Not as bad in python

[acoustic pilot]

Lol gross exaggeration

Python is pleasant by comparison

Nvm thought it was phrased in a way that it's WORSE in Python

My bad haha

[void void]

packet based protocol implementation from scratch is kinda meh anyway

[acoustic pilot]

Used to all the Python hate in here, which is mysterious considering it's one of the more pleasant scripting languages

[static badge]

raw sockets in C are amazing :>

[acoustic pilot]

Sure, if you like smashing your own balls

[cosmic raft]

@static badge @acoustic pilot https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/567230794192519178 how about both of you? how many?

[void void]

or i just lack enough knowledge

[cosmic raft]

pls

[atomic marten]

Use it in rust without unsafe code

[static badge]

depends on which os you program for I wouldn't touch winsock with a 10 thousand foot pole

[void void]

sure if you like your code being 5x longer

lmao winsock is fucking cancer

[static badge]

2

you know with winsock header include order matters

[cosmic raft]

thanks leaf

[static badge]

which is retarded

[acoustic pilot]

3

[void void]

but those what i use in linugs they r ok

and bsd

[atomic marten]

I forgot people program for windows

[acoustic pilot]

apartment, apartment gate, and apartment mailbox 😛

[atomic marten]

Thought it was all a bad dream

[cosmic raft]

thanks \o/

[static badge]

it's not unfortunately

[atomic marten]

I’m going back to my happy space smh

[void void]

kash are you doing NSA job

[static badge]

kash already does nsa shit we know

[void void]

inb4 i go home and my shitty laptop, 21:9 monitor, mech keyboard and old steelseries mouse is gone

[atomic marten]

Just the laptop

[void void]

tbh that's the least i could care about

[cosmic raft]

@void void no

[acoustic pilot]

Hm, is Twisted updated for Py3?

[cosmic raft]

I'm trying to figure out how many most people are carrying on average :D

[atomic marten]

Yes

[acoustic pilot]

naisu

[cosmic raft]

https://paste.gg/p/kashike/0a8abdf5ef624be5a2eed638490c0a03 totals if you want to see

[atomic marten]

I’m pretty sure it is

[void void]

oy vey

it's cancer

[atomic marten]

I saw a company wanting to try hiring people to translate python2 to python3

No one wants to touch that with a 2m pole

[static badge]

god how about translate it to a non-retarded language

[void void]

looks at pfp
woah it's even more cancer than i expected

[acoustic pilot]

Py2 to 3 has to be one of the most resisted updates in software lol

[void void]

also

some people still write new software on top of py2

MEGA UGH

[atomic marten]

No one who is comfortable with python3 really wants to touch it

Then they waited forever so gl finding junior devs to do it

[acoustic pilot]

That's not really the advice I see being tossed around in general

I usually see Py3 being recommended for new projects

[void void]

same

[acoustic pilot]

Most of the Py2 issues seems to be that there's just so much software written in 2.6-2.7, but very little reason to upgrade to Py3

[atomic marten]

Some things just wouldn’t work without more work being put in to py3

Like scrappy

[void void]

tfw matrix.org's reference homeserver was on py2 for a long time

[atomic marten]

not using bash for your server

[void void]

bash cgi

gargyole routers were using bash cgi

[atomic marten]

All you will ever need

I had a bash discord bot

[void void]

gargoyle*

[cosmic raft]

@acoustic pilot dumb stuff like the print change is annoying too

[acoustic pilot]

yeh, print() is a function now in Py3 lol

[void void]

bash cgi for admin panel

imagine that shit lol

and exec, not that anyone sane uses that

however it was lighter than openwrt's luci

[atomic marten]

You can’t mod the keywords in py3 like you can in py2

I had false as true and true as false

Print did nothing

It’s probably nutcases like me that lead to the end

Jake maintains discord.sh

I think that’s what he called it

[acoustic pilot]

Py2 has no shortage of stupidity, too, though.

The fact that range() is not an iterator, for example lol

[atomic marten]

Use xrange

[void void]

range, map, filter, etc

[acoustic pilot]

Right range and such has existed since before list comps and generators were added, I think

Py3 fixes all of that

[atomic marten]

Yea list compositions are great

Got bored and made a library that is a series of giant nested list comprehension

Just use () instead of [] and it all works out fine

[acoustic pilot]

then there's byte strings, the fact that py2 strings are byte strings by default and not unicode strings is super lame, too

[static badge]

ascii is the only way

[atomic marten]

Yea but that not being the case broke a ton of things going into py3

Need my emojis in strings

What’s missing from paper is
https://gitmoji.carloscuesta.me/

[void void]

stop

[static badge]

is this real or a meme

[void void]

ban this heathen

[atomic marten]

It’s real

[static badge]

alright I just got cancer

[atomic marten]

There’s even a githook to enforce it

[void void]

[atomic marten]

If you notice the main contributors are web devs and node devs

[static badge]

I'm not surprised

[void void]

ye let's write paper in node.js as well now

[acoustic pilot]

that link hover effect on that site gonna trigger epileptic seizures or something lol

[void void]

👌

[atomic marten]

And ~4K stars it’s no joke

It’s working on getting standardized

Smh

[void void]

how do i delete other's githyb repositories

.g how to delete other github repositories

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://help.github.com/en/articles/deleting-a-repository -- Deleting a repository - GitHub Help: "You can delete any repository or fork if you're either an organization owner or have admin permissions for the repository or fork. Deleting a forked..."

[void void]

.g how to delete other's github accounts

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://help.github.com/en/articles/deleting-your-user-account -- Deleting your user account - GitHub Help: "You can delete your GitHub user account at any time. ... created and comments you've made in repositories owned by other users will not be deleted -..."

[void void]

REEEEEE

[acoustic pilot]

why is 🐛 a caterpillar

[static badge]

it's a bug isn't it

[acoustic pilot]

:bug: rather 😛

[static badge]

tbh should be a moth :>

[acoustic pilot]

Technically caterpillars aren't bugs, I don't think

[vestal jasper]

ur a bug

[static badge]

are we getting technical

[vestal jasper]

leaf ur retarded you can't get technical

[atomic marten]

Make sure you delete 290 forks of it as well

[static badge]

ur literally retarded

[acoustic pilot]

They are insects. However, they are members of the insect order Lepidoptera and only insects of the order Hemiptera (true bugs) are considered “bugs” by Entomologists. So no, caterpillars are not considered “bugs”.

[vestal jasper]

and?

insect

so a bug

[static badge]

true bugs

[acoustic pilot]

shut up leaf ur biased against caterpillars because they eat ur dumass

[static badge]

wow you just went there

[vestal jasper]

hey leaf

[static badge]

I was going to give up this argument

but u've attempted to shred my dignity

[acoustic pilot]

what dignity lol

[vestal jasper]

val embed = EmbedBuilder().apply {
    setTitle(title);
    setColor(color);
    setDescription(description);
    setFooter(footer, "");
    setTimestamp(Instant.now());
}```

[static badge]

what's that

[vestal jasper]

code

[static badge]

yeah i know

tf is it for

[atomic marten]

I’d like to introduce you all to the absolutely perfect code

[vestal jasper]

a program

[atomic marten]

Devoid of all bugs

No security vulnerabilities

It’s called:
https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode

No code

[void void]

@vestal jasper jda & kotlin ye?

[vestal jasper]

ye

[acoustic pilot]

https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode/commit/80f38e0f103487fc37d853a98a580c67b4db7b55

[atomic marten]

Isn’t it perfect?

[static badge]

wtf is with the issues

[void void]

made something like this few days ago

using embeds

embeds are interesting and also inconsistent

for example you can't use emojis in title?

well you kinda can but not custom ones atleast

[atomic marten]

The issues are compliments

[acoustic pilot]

Does Paper Discord ever get those Discord spambots that join and DM everyone in the server for advertisement purposes?

[void void]

@vestal jasper how do you display the date?

[atomic marten]

Not yet

[vestal jasper]

setTimestamp(Instant.now());

[static badge]

no but hope that wont happen

[void void]

ohhhhhh

[static badge]

that'd be annoying to deal with

[void void]

ty

[static badge]

don't get that shit on irc I guarantee :>

ignores espernet

[atomic marten]

Not same, I like to get messages

Only boys message me out of the blue

[acoustic pilot]

Some servers I know have a soft block for new users that requires jumping thru hoops before you get access to the whole server and its user list

[atomic marten]

😭

[acoustic pilot]

Could be linking your Discord account to your in-game account, or just a simple confirmation in the rules channel

[vestal jasper]

@atomic marten sure you do buddy

[void void]

that's great tho

[atomic marten]

What!

[void void]

one dude continously hops into my server

[atomic marten]

No wonder

[vestal jasper]

you have DMs disabled my dude

[void void]

grabs users and messages (i think?)

[static badge]

LUL

[void void]

and leaves

[atomic marten]

I’ll fix that right away

Thanks for telling me

[void void]

i think that's the case atleast, explains why they stay for only 1 minute or so

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah they stay on only for a little, but it's like 100-200 accounts joining all at once lol

[atomic marten]

There was a project that was for mapping discord user connections

Which was joining, scanning for discord invite links and members, then leaving

Mapped the server invite link on a graph, got shutdown though

I told b1nzy the perfect rate limit too for this while he was still at discord but he disliked me too much for violating them all the time

[vestal jasper]

[atomic marten]

Hey now, a bot which bans every member upon joining has to break a few rules

[acoustic pilot]

it does? seems like a bad rule lol

[atomic marten]

There’s no api for mass banning

Fuyu made a bot army that you can’t get rid of because of the rate limits if you gave one of them admin

Can’t remove perms or anything e.e

Discord has to get rid of them

[static badge]

giving bots admin

[atomic marten]

With mass ban, this wouldn’t be a problem

User bots

Had a little under 2k accounts if I remember, back when you didn’t need captcha to register

-sigh- shame selfbotting is against tos now

[acoustic pilot]

Seems people have no problem bypassing or overcoming the captcha to mass register accounts even today

[cosmic raft]

"now"

it pretty much always has been

lol

[atomic marten]

No, it wasn’t

[cosmic raft]

yes it was

[acoustic pilot]

Or they might just be cheap data entry people registering all these spam bot accounts

[atomic marten]

Nope, it only had captcha on second

There’s an api to bypass captchas

It’s cheap

[acoustic pilot]

Discord's API? Or third-party

[atomic marten]

Third party

[acoustic pilot]

And they bypass the captchas with humans or OCR, or what?

[atomic marten]

🤷

Its changed since I last used it

[acoustic pilot]

Prob a bunch of Chinese kids in a basement somewhere

[static badge]

rip chinese kids

[atomic marten]

Before it was just ai

No idea if it works with the select a bike stuff and what not, probably

Supposedly they had switched to audio to decode but ended up not being worth and discontinued

There’s other services though

[acoustic pilot]

Clever, lol. Away with audio captchas, damn the blind people!

[atomic marten]

They are the easiest to do

I use them instead of the image on vpn

I am given like 30rounds of captcha bs

Before it says I’m a human

[finite wave]

You gotta be better at capthas

[void void]

nice, java 11 does not work on armv6 anymore

apparently

arch linux arm build is broken

[static badge]

really? :>

[void void]

simply spits out that armv7+ is required

[static badge]

git fukt

[void void]

j8 works however

[atomic marten]

It’s not that it doesn’t work, just not in it’s target range

Excuse me lamp, you have a shoe on your head

[cosmic raft]

https://tenor.com/view/lamp-kid-gif-5434924

[acoustic pilot]

Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only disease you get yelled at for having - Mitch Hedberg

Haven't listened to Hedberg in a long time haha

[static badge]

I've yelled at u for being retarded

[atomic marten]

You didn’t put emojis in the message, couldn’t understand

[static badge]

I've yelled at u for being retarded

[atomic marten]

Needs more emoji

[static badge]

u do it

[atomic marten]

More bits of information, has to be clear

[woven otter]

@cosmic raft did you like the song

[cosmic raft]

which

[woven otter]

#music

[cosmic raft]

yes, heard it many times before on the radio

Vika's version is nicer than Mia's too

[woven otter]

👍

[atomic marten]

I🙎yelled 📣at you👱for being 🙄retarded 😤

Like that @static badge

[static badge]

mfw

[atomic marten]

I know I got lazy

I’m barely awake atm

[woven otter]

wow rude

[void void]

so many new users

[livid elk]

sry to bother you

[void void]

ye get off my lawn

[cedar spade]

no u

[woven otter]

please leaf insult

[stiff yarrow]

are we back to weeb avatars again?

[void void]

no stop

[woven otter]

@cosmic raft Is this released to the repo?
https://github.com/SpongePowered/configurate/commit/8b368be333259c487d594f4957f6db7e3d0f689e

[void void]

get nossrman back

[stiff yarrow]

@woven otter if you're using 3.7 in your POM you should have it

@void void but its the weebing hour

[woven otter]

o should switch to 3.7

thanks

[stiff yarrow]

yes, read this issue discussion thread though

[void void]

:(

[stiff yarrow]

I'm a naught boy and I override global serializers

https://github.com/SpongePowered/configurate/issues/132

I got kashike to make this change and you can see the other dev in this thread point out how it was a bad change

which I agree

so its likely getting changed to how he specifies

but no one has changed it yet

so just read this whole thingamajig

[woven otter]

forcing me to read stuff smh

[stiff yarrow]

read it or I disown you

[acoustic pilot]

There is no 3.7 release yet, but it's in 3.7-SNAPSHOT

[stiff yarrow]

yee what byteflux said

I'm just being lazy so I haven't updated my code yet to prepare for dualspirals suggested changes

and I know MTM is using my code as a reference

so I was warning him

[finite wave]

You guys talking about Sponge

Ew

[stiff yarrow]

no Jan you dumbass

[woven otter]

Oh yeah thanks. Dualspiral makes a good point though

[stiff yarrow]

yeah he does

Sponge simply maintains that library Jan

and they also use it in their own projects

[woven otter]

you too about immutability of global serializers

[cedar spade]

enn

oh

yoo

[vestal jasper]

Weeb

[static badge]

ur a weeb

[upper flicker]

anime avatars all over

calling each other weebs

[finite wave]

They are weebs

[static badge]

im not a filthy weeb

[upper flicker]

I mean, if Jan says you’re weebs, you’re probably weebs

[static badge]

jan is 2 retarded

[woven otter]

they all live in denial

[limber knot]

mikroskeem, :*

[upper flicker]

Snapchat memes are trash

[finite wave]

Guess who

[upper flicker]

adding Pim on Snapchat

[woven otter]

^

[static badge]

snapchat

[woven otter]

^

[upper flicker]

Leaf doesn’t have friends to Snapchat with

[static badge]

2

[upper flicker]

3

[woven otter]

@finite wave send him thomas the tank engine memes daily

[static badge]

ur retarded

[heady spear]

Z sux

[upper flicker]

City sucks

[static badge]

that's pretty cool I never expected gcc to use x86's rotate instruction to optimize (value >> 63) ^ (value << 1)

[upper flicker]

Fake IS leader

IS .org is dumb

[heady spear]

@upper flicker 🍭

[upper flicker]

Lollipops must be what you use to lure innocent projects into your filthy org

[heady spear]

since when do you steal nossr's shitty jokes?

[upper flicker]

Since that was a lollipop and not a taco

And you say mean things at 7 am

[heady spear]

can't really suck a taco

[stiff yarrow]

@heady spear sorry for boolying you lately I will be a nice boi from now on

[static badge]

bullying is for retards

[heady spear]

so I can unblock you now?

dope

[upper flicker]

he’s just trying to trick you into adding mcmmo to IS

[stiff yarrow]

I'm already in

[heady spear]

I am pretty much only working on kvantum

don't care about IS

IS is poop

[stiff yarrow]

must resist making jokes

[upper flicker]

Isn’t kvantum under the IS org

[heady spear]

no

I just added it to our discord so that jesse would contribute to it

[upper flicker]

Just the discord

[heady spear]

it worked

[upper flicker]

Wow still luring

[stiff yarrow]

when I see spotted rocking the weebing hour avatars I can't help but stand with him

[heady spear]

https://github.com/Sauilitired/Kvantum/commits?author=boy0001

he added speedy bois to the server 😍

he's my new boyfriend now because I think he deserves that

[upper flicker]

Rip

[pulsar wigeon]

having a boyfriend who only cares about speed seems like asking for disappointment

[heady spear]

he can take his time when he needs to

[pulsar wigeon]

he'd rather go fast than keep chunks uncorrupt :^)

[heady spear]

why do you think he didn't work on FAWE for 6 months?

he has probably corrupted less chunks than I have

[stiff yarrow]

gotta go fast

is kvantum a project for school or something

[heady spear]

I started it first year of high school for fun

then it sort of stuck with me lol

[stiff yarrow]

seems like one of those projects you make to learn stuff

[heady spear]

ye

[stiff yarrow]

the name doesn't really roll of the tongue tho

rename it to mcmmo-web

[heady spear]

learn Swedish

[stiff yarrow]

you can be like the horses guy

[heady spear]

wat

[stiff yarrow]

you know that mod that has literally nothing to do with mcMMO but they named it mcMMO horses

[heady spear]

mcmmowebserver

[static badge]

.g mcmmo horses spigot

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/horse-rpg -- Overview - mcMMO Horses - Bukkit Plugins - Projects - Bukkit: "mcMMO Horses ... McMMOHorses is a plugin that add new abilities to horses. ..... [spigot-1.13.1-2018-09-03a.jar:git-Spigot-0ede7d0-ee5efeb] 04.09..."

[cedar spade]

I like how many people think it's a good idea to call their plugin EssentialsThing EssentialsBlah EssentialsWarps

[stiff yarrow]

at one point it was named RPG Horses but apparently that wasn't getting them enough attention

[static badge]

Total Downloads 25,956,606

should rename concrete to mcmmo-server

[heady spear]

mcEssentaislMMOWorldEditPlotHorsesSquaredIslandsKitsHorsesRideableHorsesHorses

[stiff yarrow]

that download count makes no sense to me

[cedar spade]

iirc both EssentialsExtras and Essentials MySQL Storage renamed themselves after EssentialsX

[wide chasm]

I think at one point Bukkit's download counters were broken/heavily manipulated

[static badge]

rip

[heady spear]

Spigot's too

md manually set our downloads

to a really low number

[stiff yarrow]

time to put a horse skill in mcMMO

[heady spear]

:<

"I divded by 100 because that seemed right" like ok thx

[woven otter]

and flying mounts too, right ? @stiff yarrow

[stiff yarrow]

we all know MMOs go downhill when flying mounts get added

This plugin checks for updates and will download updates. If you do not want this plugin to automatically update, all you need to do is edit one line in the "plugins\AUpdater\global.yml" file. Just change the one variable in there to false (or, if you run into any problems, copy the code below)```

🙄

well that probably explains the download count

[woven otter]

would be cool if that worked for premium plugins too. Imagine flow of money into paypal every update

[wide chasm]

You don't have to pay for each update though?

[heady spear]

just send me the money and I'll distribute it to the authors

there's just a 86% city tax

[stiff yarrow]

I wonder how he coded that 'updates automatically' feature, like if it just downloads the JAR from curse every n minutes and uses that to check for updates then hes basically download botting his plugin

[wide chasm]

I'd hope he just checks the latest version from the page and then compares it.

[stiff yarrow]

let's not assume he does anything correctly

he named it mcMMO Horses after all

[wide chasm]

Good point

[stiff yarrow]

the guys got zero morals

[heady spear]

hai my name nossr and I only one on planet that does code rajt and ever1 els sux

[stiff yarrow]

what else would he be willing to do for popularity besides hijack the mcMMO name

@heady spear I was trying to convey that I wouldn't put it past him to do it wrong on purpose

[quasi valley]

is that an mcmmo addon or a standalone thingy?

[heady spear]

bcuz he's not u and therefore he must bork

[upper flicker]

mcmmo-kraken when

[stiff yarrow]

@quasi valley absolutely zero relation to mcMMO

[quasi valley]

oh well

[stiff yarrow]

as I mentioned earlier he had it named something like Horse RPG at one point

[heady spear]

maybe he wanted to boost your downloads

you should pay him

[cedar spade]

can has trademark on "Essentials" pls

[quasi valley]

the amount of betteressentials, essentialsz, ... 30kb plugins with 10k downloads is just awesome

[cedar spade]

It's annoying that plugin authors just take the "Essentials" name and use it for their own plugins whether related or not, but at the same time it's way too generic a word to stop people using it

[quasi valley]

copyright the "X" and take down every plugin with that character

[heady spear]

FastAsyncEssentials 🤔

[cedar spade]

Problem solved

no u

[quasi valley]

dont forget the premium AsyncEssentials then

[heady spear]

ew

[woven otter]

EssentialsPlus

[heady spear]

AWE = 💩

[quasi valley]

and the free AsyncEssentials being updated once every 2 years*

just remebered I did some sort of Bungee<-Spigot broadcaster and named it after an anticheat as if its only purpose would be for its messages 👀

[heady spear]

smh ban

go straight to jail, don't collect $200 if you pass go

[quasi valley]

I have a out of jail card!

[heady spear]

you won a beauty contest, pay the other contestants $30 each

[stiff yarrow]

its actually brilliant to auto update your plugin through curse for inflating numbers

[wide chasm]

Look at those curse points going

[heady spear]

who the fuck cares about their numbers anyway

this is just some dick measuring contest for incels

[stiff yarrow]

almost no forks or stars on their github repo but 25 mil on curse, I'm wondering if its actually very few servers using horse rpg
also their most recent update on curse from feb 11th 2019 has 1 mil downloads already

their code shows bstats.. and

300 servers

seems legit

[woven otter]

Now you're just jelly

[quasi valley]

obv it's just better than mcmmo

[stiff yarrow]

I can't see 25 million downloads and not investigate that shit

[pulsar wigeon]

he hsa an autoupdater

that always downloads

i've looked into that

was thinking about reporting it to curse but i got lazy

also that was ages ago

all of that guy's plugins have that

just sort dev.bukkit by total downloads

[cedar spade]

:/

[quasi valley]

lol and noone either noticed or cared enough to do something against that inflation?

I mean that's kind of impossible not to notice that with that amount of plugins

[heady spear]

who even cares?

[upper flicker]

I mean if you dont have any alarms or anything and youre as big as they are

its pretty easy not to notice or care

[quasi valley]

not that I care, but I would if I were some sort of mod or admin of a resource forum

[upper flicker]

tbh idk really know how much effort gets put into that anymore

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean i'm pretty sure he's not getting curse points

[upper flicker]

I remember some of the former bukkit people being pretty unhappy about the state of it

[quasi valley]

I never really looked at the bukkit dev site, as when I got into mc plugins I directly came into the Spigot forums

[heady spear]

the former bukkit people are unhappy.

[upper flicker]

Im unhappy when youre here

[heady spear]

ban me then

plz

I waste too much time here

[upper flicker]

no

[heady spear]

why are you punishing yourself?

[quasi valley]

he hates you as much as that he wants you to waste time here

[upper flicker]

every remotely notable person we get in here and tag as such only further enhances this guild as a relevant and trendy place to be

[heady spear]

@vestal jasper leave this guild, it's poo poo

[upper flicker]

Vicarious loves it here

his pfp is tacos

[heady spear]

vicarious is dumb

[upper flicker]

this is his home

[heady spear]

he doesn't know what he likes

ima become a drag queen tbh

maybe drop out of college

develop a coke addiction

[upper flicker]

murican diabeetus coke or columbian coke

[heady spear]

am avoiding sugar, it's unhealthy

[upper flicker]

I feel like cocaine is probably not particularly healthy either

[heady spear]

it is

it's a super food

[upper flicker]

there's probably a study somewhere that says its better than sugar

there's also probably a study that says the opposite

and a study studying those studies

[heady spear]

I only do drugs after 3pm so they can't be unhealthy

[upper flicker]

🤔

[heady spear]

I forgot to go to my lecture this morning

if I call my professor, do you think he'll recap it for me?

[upper flicker]

this late in the semester its probably fine

just ask someone in the class if it was relevant, get told "no", keep on keeping on

[heady spear]

I don't think anyone else went either

the professor is bloody fucking useless

he's just reading from his notes, which he just copied from the book

he reads like 1 word a minute

and he looks like he belongs in the 70s

[quasi valley]

and speeds through everything to prevent us from writing everything down to make us buy the book 👀

[stiff yarrow]

@pulsar wigeon I reported it, you should report it too

[heady spear]

I'll report mcmmo for being dum

[upper flicker]

report kvantum as a crime against humanity

[heady spear]

Z will u delete mcmmo if I report it?

[upper flicker]

I wont even read the report

[heady spear]

ima tell daddy md_5

[upper flicker]

reporting it for being dum wouldnt get it deleted

[heady spear]

but it's true

[upper flicker]

probably just get a download boost

"well if city hates it we should hype it up"

[heady spear]

o h no

I think ima stop making plugins tbh

I want to focus on other stuff

[quasi valley]

make a giant pr, include a backdoor somewhere, report it for said backdoor 👀

[heady spear]

I don't make PRs

[stiff yarrow]

City we should be friends

[heady spear]

no

[upper flicker]

[wide hazel]

😦

[static badge]

rejected

[stiff yarrow]

its okay me and leef will watch weeb cartoons together

@quasi valley if you aren't reviewing PRs before accepting them you get spanked

[static badge]

ur the filthy weeb here

[upper flicker]

glances at avatar

[stiff yarrow]

speaking of which

@wide hazel review my PR daddy

[heady spear]

= welcome (not) back

[pulsar wigeon]

TIL every single entity in bukkit can be a server op

tf?

you can put permissions on random mobs

[heady spear]

it's there so the chickens may defend themselves

[pulsar wigeon]

...why was this done

"yes, this random zombie is the new server admin"

[heady spear]

better than the people in charge of this place

[static badge]

something something they can execute commands

I think the perms are a no-op iirc

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean they do also implement CommandSender

for whatever reason

[static badge]

because they can execute a command

[heady spear]

is so that they can go into creative mode when they get tired

[stiff yarrow]

biggest lie you've read today

[quasi valley]

Probably for the @s commands

[wide hazel]

@stiff yarrow soon

[quasi valley]

Or whatever that was

[upper flicker]

pretty sure it long predates selectors

[wide hazel]

iirc it was a quirk of how perms worked when they were first introduced

minecarts also can be opped. Because minecart command blocks exist

[pulsar wigeon]

that makes sense yea

but then MinecartCommandBlock itself could implement the relevant things

instead of just having them on base Entity or wherever it is

[ancient bolt]

@stiff yarrow who said that

[cedar spade]

Any entities can execute commands with /execute

[stiff yarrow]

@ancient bolt glowstone git readme.md

[ancient bolt]

o

[pulsar wigeon]

oh interesting

wait so are entities just treated as op then

assuming they have as much privs as whoever ran /execute

[upper flicker]

yeah it was added in 1.8

[cedar spade]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/diff/src/main/java/org/bukkit/entity/Entity.java?until=3c1f461070d9f767e7a3e6577ced0e565ffc4932

diff

[pulsar wigeon]

weird

wonder how execute works when you do it as another player

someone was asking about worldedit commands with /execute the other day

i figured bukkit should just act as if the target player used the command

since that seems to be the point of /execute

[stiff yarrow]

@pulsar wigeon I wonder if curse is just ignorant about the bot download nature of this guys plugins

[static badge]

report it and see what happens :>

[stiff yarrow]

I reported it before I knew about his other plugins

[static badge]

interesting I just looked at the code for horse rpg

apparently it uses github for autoupdating

[pulsar wigeon]

version checking maybe?

[static badge]

    public static boolean autoUpdate(final Plugin main, final String author, final String githubProject, final String jarname) {
        try {
            final String version = main.getDescription().getVersion();
            final String parseVersion = version.replace(".", "");
            String tagname = null;
            final URL api = new URL("https://api.github.com/repos/" + author + "/" + githubProject + "/releases/latest");
            final URLConnection con = api.openConnection();
            con.setConnectTimeout(15000);
            con.setReadTimeout(15000);
            JsonObject json = null;
            try {
                json = new JsonParser().parse((Reader)new InputStreamReader(con.getInputStream())).getAsJsonObject();
            }
            catch (Error | Exception error) {
                final Throwable t;
                final Throwable e45 = t;
                return false;
            }
            tagname = json.get("tag_name").getAsString();
            final String parsedTagName = tagname.replace(".", "");
            final int latestVersion = Integer.valueOf(parsedTagName.substring(1, parsedTagName.length()));
            final URL download = new URL("https://github.com/" + author + "/" + githubProject + "/releases/download/" + tagname + "/" + jarname);
            if (latestVersion > Integer.parseInt(parseVersion)) {
                Bukkit.getConsoleSender().sendMessage(ChatColor.GREEN + "Found a new version of " + ChatColor.GOLD + main.getDescription().getName() + ": " + ChatColor.WHITE + tagname + ChatColor.LIGHT_PURPLE + " downloading now!!");
                new GithubUpdater.GithubUpdater$1(download, main).runTaskLaterAsynchronously(main, 0L);
                return true;
            }
        }
        catch (IOException e46) {
            e46.printStackTrace();
        }
        return false;
    }

[stiff yarrow]

its actually kind of clever

[static badge]

unless it uses the url to get the jar from devbukkit

[stiff yarrow]

he downloads a binary from github which downloads a binary from curse and that binary from git downloads from curse for auto updates

err

[static badge]

wat

[pulsar wigeon]

wat

[stiff yarrow]

sorry I'm dyslexic af

[pulsar wigeon]

it wasn't that complicated last time i looked at it

maybe i was looking at a different one tho

or maybe he changed it

[stiff yarrow]

I decompiled his plugin from curse, it downloads from github, that plugin downloads from curse for autoupdates

so basically hes got some daisy chaining shit going on

[pulsar wigeon]

tf

[static badge]

wait where is this

[cedar spade]

no u

[stiff yarrow]

sec

https://github.com/rcbyron/mcmmo-horses/blob/master/com/blueskullgames/horserpg/Updater.java

[pulsar wigeon]

wait what

[stiff yarrow]

this is the code where hes just downloading from curse

[pulsar wigeon]

tf is https://github.com/ZombieStriker/mcMMOHorses then

[stiff yarrow]

@pulsar wigeon the binaries on curse grab the auto updater from github, thats that binary I believe

I didn't look too closely, but thats what it appeared to be doing

I didn't decompile that file though

I only decompiled the one from curse

[static badge]

I mean gh looks outdated

last commit dec 17 2017

last updated was like what feb?

[stiff yarrow]

if I had to guess hes doing this to avoid getting caught

[static badge]

of 2019?

the decompiled source shows he's using the method I posted

[stiff yarrow]

and if you look he has bstats in his code, hes only got 300 servers running his horse plugin that has 25 million downloads

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean, having more downloads than worldedit on 30 different shit plugins that no one uses isn't a good way to stay low

[static badge]

maybe he's posted the sketchy one on spigot mc

let's take a look

.g spigotmc mcmmohorses

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/mcmmohorses.46301/ -- McMMOHorses | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft: "Description McMMOHorses is a plugin that add new abilities to horses. You can claim, name, summon, and level up abilities for your horse."

[stiff yarrow]

@static badge the binary it downloads downloads from curse, I'm almost certain its just auto updating with 2 steps removed from curse

fucking hell I'm dyslexic as fuck

[static badge]

here's the updated variant https://github.com/ZombieStriker/mcMMOHorses

[stiff yarrow]

[static badge]

tbh I don't quite follow

the code I pasted is using gh

and I don't see a curse updater in this binary

[stiff yarrow]

hmm let me check

I'll decompile that one

[static badge]

yeah do that one

[stiff yarrow]

there's some shady shit somewhere in this plugin

the downloads don't make any sense

[static badge]

it could be just standard bot downloading

[pulsar wigeon]

he has like 30 plugins too

jesus

[stiff yarrow]

@static badge what about that code I posted earlier? that code downloads from curse

[pulsar wigeon]

https://github.com/ZombieStriker/LandClaiming/blob/master/src/me/zombie_striker/landclaiming/Updater.java these all go to curseforge

[static badge]

yeah that's like from a repo that was last updated in late 2017

[pulsar wigeon]

if you look at his other plugins

[static badge]

perhaps he changed it

[stiff yarrow]

its unlikely he changed it right?

his post from feb 11th has 1 mil

feb 11th 2019

[static badge]

well I'm looking at the code from his binary

I don't see it

god these function names are annoying

downloadIsSeperateBecauseGotoGotRemoved

[stiff yarrow]

wait nm scratch that

[static badge]

no not rly

[limber knot]

irc never forgets

putting this on the first page for googling nossr50

[stiff yarrow]

I'm just gonna run his plugin and see what the binary looks like after it updates

[static badge]

tbh could capture any http calls going out

see where they go

[stiff yarrow]

do I look like a wizard spotted

you do that I lack the hacker powers

[static badge]

I'll figure it out with wireshark or something

actually no I don't even need that

[stiff yarrow]

there's some shady shit going on here somewhere

I mean that one class downloads from curse

[static badge]

I'll figure it out

I see a connection to github

[pulsar wigeon]

to which github

[static badge]

it dumps this nice stacktrace

idk

[pulsar wigeon]

rcbyron or zombiestryker

[static badge]

I can't be assed to answer that question

[pulsar wigeon]

cuz there's clearly some discrepancy between different versions of things

[static badge]

I don't see a connection elsewhere

[pulsar wigeon]

which is pretty shady by itself

[static badge]

and if I don't see a connection elsewhere it's probably not botting shit

unless it's pushed it off to another process which I also don't see

[stiff yarrow]

I don't get it

if hes not botting in his new version

how the fuck does he have 1 million downloads and 300 active servers

[static badge]

must be botting elsewhere

[stiff yarrow]

yeah

and that code on git that downloaded from curse

[static badge]

that's old shit

[pulsar wigeon]

curse should just ban him tbh

that would solve all these problems

and remove all his shit

:^)

[stiff yarrow]

so at one point it downloaded from curse and then zombiestriker took over and now its still getting inflated numbers

is that the shitty history

and this other landclaiming plugin downloads from curse and thats under zombiestriker

[static badge]

I also wouldn't put past some people, if they had a grudge against him, to bot his shit in attempt to ban him

[stiff yarrow]

and it uses the same code that the one repo I linked had

hes botting his own shit leaf

[static badge]

tbh I'd dl from curse :>

[stiff yarrow]

look at his landclaim plugin

[pulsar wigeon]

look at his other 30 plugins too

[stiff yarrow]

I'm starting to think this other author

was in on it, or maybe just his alt account

[pulsar wigeon]

https://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins?filter-sort=5 like look at this shit

[stiff yarrow]

so the question is why did the horse mod switch to downloading from git

[static badge]

something's fuckin goofy

idk what though

[pulsar wigeon]

all of them have >2x as many downloads as worldedit

[stiff yarrow]

@static badge this seems like proof he bots his other plugins for sure, its enough evidence to make me think he probably bots the horse plugin too https://github.com/ZombieStriker/LandClaiming/blob/master/src/me/zombie_striker/landclaiming/Updater.java

probably in a separate app

[pulsar wigeon]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/neuralnetworkapi lmao

[stiff yarrow]

and bstats doesn't lie

[pulsar wigeon]

like what the fuck is this

[stiff yarrow]

17 mill downloads 1 comment

also his github repos have almost no forks or stars

[heady spear]

the what?

[stiff yarrow]

this is some shady shit

these numbers aren't natural

I think its intentional

[golden gust]

ur not natural

[static badge]

yeah it looks sketchy but I don't see autoupdaters doing it :>

it's external somewhere

[heady spear]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/neuralnetworkapi 🤔

[bold zephyr]

why not decompile

[stiff yarrow]

@static badge https://github.com/ZombieStriker/LandClaiming/blob/master/src/me/zombie_striker/landclaiming/Updater.java this one does it

[static badge]

we did and found nothing conclusive

[bold zephyr]

oh lol

[stiff yarrow]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/landclaiming?gameCategorySlug=bukkit-plugins&projectID=98632

[pulsar wigeon]

we did and leaf is retarded more like

[static badge]

I don't see anything in that updater being sketchy but I didn't look into it much

[pulsar wigeon]

you only decompiled mcmmohorses

[static badge]

point me to lines of offending code

[stiff yarrow]

@static badge it literally downloads from curse you tennen boke

[static badge]

I only see it doing that if an update is available

like if you had 300 true servers

is that going to bot you 1 mil

no

it's fucking not

[stiff yarrow]

whos to say checking for the update isn't contributing

[static badge]

that'd be retarded

[stiff yarrow]

yes but it'd also be something if you knew about you'd use

[static badge]

devbukkit has a real updating api

[stiff yarrow]

so is it just more likely hes botting externally?

[static badge]

yeah

there's no way checking would contribute

[pulsar wigeon]

tbh i don't really think it matters how he's faking download numbers, only that he is

[stiff yarrow]

yeah

[static badge]

otherwise so many other plugins would be up there

[pulsar wigeon]

if i was curse i'd delete them all and ban him either way

:^)

[stiff yarrow]

alright lets go with spotteds theory since it has the least holes

hes botting externally

[pulsar wigeon]

seriously nothing of value would be lost anyway

[stiff yarrow]

either that or all of his plugins are smash hits that no one uses

which is more likely

[static badge]

smash hits?

[pulsar wigeon]

tbh i also kinda doubt that one person wrote 30 plugins in such a short time

i'm guessing there's lots of stolen code or something

[heady spear]

have ya'll seen the neutral network API?

[static badge]

u called it

[heady spear]

this guy is a literal genius hello

[pulsar wigeon]

yea i linked it before

[stiff yarrow]

that was written by the former "Author" who I am not convinced is a different person

[bold zephyr]

lol wtf

[heady spear]

I could just drop of out uni and just use his code as reference material and become a googler in no time

[stiff yarrow]

I am leaning on the theory that getgoodkid is literally just ZombieStrikers former username

[pulsar wigeon]

https://github.com/ZombieStriker/NeuralNetworkAPI/blame/af742d172b7af3e9214a35be3a02fba0eaca20ca/src/me/zombie_striker/nnmain/Main.java#L144

[static badge]

nossr loves his conspiracy theories

.g aliens meme

[pulsar wigeon]

https://github.com/ZombieStriker/NeuralNetworkAPI/blame/master/src/me/zombie_striker/nnmain/Main.java#L144

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-blog/2018/7/11/the-12-best-ancient-aliens-memes -- The 12 Best "Ancient Aliens" Memes on the Internet — The ...: "Jul 11, 2018 ... In the world of memes, there may be none whose hair lives in greater infamy than that of Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, better known as "that..."

[pulsar wigeon]

so at some point this guy switched stuff from the curse updater to the github one

[static badge]

caption that with "literally the same dude"

not surprised github is probably easier to work with

[stiff yarrow]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/authors/zombie_striker.62300/

[static badge]

and then he gets zero on spigot

now that's hilarious

[stiff yarrow]

well md5 would ban his ass in a moment

Curse probably doesn't give a fuck

[pulsar wigeon]

lol

[stiff yarrow]

if hes willing to bot his download on curse

I'm suspicious about these plugins as well

I reported his user on curse, idk if they will give a fuck tho

I just wrote he download bots every single plugin he uploads

[static badge]

we'll see what happens

[stiff yarrow]

you guys should report too

[static badge]

yeah i'll do it

what's his user again

[cedar spade]

would look like brigading though

[unreal quarry]

writes bot to submit reports against botting

[stiff yarrow]

https://dev.bukkit.org/members/ZombieStryker

hes literally made the 30 most popular plugins for Minecraft of all time guys show some respect

[pulsar wigeon]

interestingly enough, they're not popular at all

if you sort by popularity, they are nowhere to be found

not sure how curse calculates popularity, but i would guess api downloads don't count for it

[stiff yarrow]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/pluginconstructorapi

popularity is probably page views

[static badge]

agreed

[bold zephyr]

nossr stop lying. ive been on 1 million servers and they all have wishing wells

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/wishingwells/files

[slim nymph]

"chrome is bad"

[finite wave]

@stiff yarrow I think there is some trickery in the downlaod counts.

[stiff yarrow]

is this guy not violating GPL 3 by not providing source code anywhere on these download pages?

[pulsar wigeon]

chrome is bad

[finite wave]

Truth

Go is gud

[slim nymph]

"browsers are bad"

[pulsar wigeon]

and no nossr

[static badge]

I think you have to deny giving source when asked

[stiff yarrow]

is that how it works

[pulsar wigeon]

gpl just says he has to give source if you ask

[stiff yarrow]

that's interesting

[static badge]

yeah so you can just ask for src

[acoustic pilot]

AGPL is a little stricter, but otherwise, sounds about right

[pulsar wigeon]

that said it's on github so yea

unless the github versions don't match up to what's on dbo

[gloomy sphinx]

https://itsfoss.com/vscodium/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=chef_goes_100_open_source_checksum_verification_vs_codes_open_source_version_and_more&utm_term=2019-04-15

[stiff yarrow]

gotcha

[static badge]

oh yeah wtf is with curse and twitch

[pulsar wigeon]

what's with them?

[stiff yarrow]

they both got bought out by amazon right

pretty sure

[pulsar wigeon]

curse got bought by twitch

[slim nymph]

i thought VSCode was already open source

[pulsar wigeon]

twitch got bought by amazon

[heady spear]

hej alla barn nu blir det barnprogram 🚸 🎈

[pulsar wigeon]

it is aikar, vscodium just removed branding/telemetry

[slim nymph]

.... really

[stiff yarrow]

so amazon is curses grandpa

[slim nymph]

fucking tinfoil hat people

[pulsar wigeon]

microsoft releases are all branded etc, on top of the open source

and they don't release non-branded builds. so vscodium does

[acoustic pilot]

Nothing wrong with wanting complete privacy.

[pulsar wigeon]

^

[bold zephyr]

ono my microsoft made product says microsoft :(

[gloomy sphinx]

the compiled binaries of vscode is not open source...

so...

[pulsar wigeon]

^

[acoustic pilot]

It's a ridiculous level of privacy, but nothing inherently wrong with it.

[gloomy sphinx]

who knows what ms is really doing

[static badge]

interesting so they don't publish src for the binaries they build

[slim nymph]

yeah evil ms is going to own your soul with that ANONYMOUS data saying you use plugin foo

[gloomy sphinx]

why would they not make the compiled binaries open source

[bold zephyr]

personally idc what theyre doing

[static badge]

what kind of retardation are they doing

[stiff yarrow]

what license is MS using on their shit

[pulsar wigeon]

you seem kinda sensitive aikar

[gloomy sphinx]

he does

[pulsar wigeon]

do you dislike other people wanting privacy?

[slim nymph]

yes

[pulsar wigeon]

this doesn't affect you at all

[slim nymph]

tinfoil hat people annoy the shit out of me

[pulsar wigeon]

you just don't want other people to be able to do foss correctly?

what does this have to do with tinfoil hat people

[slim nymph]

people that whine about anonymous metric collection

[gloomy sphinx]

you're stupid if you give up all your privacy - event a text editor

[stiff yarrow]

what does FOSS have to do with data collection

[slim nymph]

just creates unneeded noise

[gloomy sphinx]

it probably isn't anonymous either

[bold zephyr]

who cares lol

[slim nymph]

if you never supply identity, how would it not be anonymous

[stiff yarrow]

is there more rules to FOSS than being free and open source

[upper flicker]

vscode isnt opensource

[gloomy sphinx]

they are notorious of lying

[upper flicker]

if you build the version on their Github you dont get the same binaries they distribute under their branding

[pulsar wigeon]

nossr, vscode isn't open source. that's the point

[slim nymph]

its not like MS is going to publish a report saying "TCC uses ES4 Language level, he must be a newb"

[upper flicker]

microsoft has specific ToS shit in there for that

[stiff yarrow]

oh so what the hell is the version on github

[pulsar wigeon]

vscodium is open source from start to end. that also means it can be distributed in foss fashion - e.g. on linux distros whose main repositories only allow foss

[slim nymph]

https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode

[upper flicker]

that isnt the binary they distribute

as was said

[pulsar wigeon]

aikar just wants to be angry at people who want to use open source software in their own way

[stiff yarrow]

why did they name it the same thing

shady

[upper flicker]

I know arch for example will use the oss version and there are some plugins that make bad assumtpions that have issues

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see this is why you should just use notepad++

[cedar spade]

no u

[upper flicker]

notepad++ is garbo

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that's open source

[stiff yarrow]

I knew we could be friends spotted

[upper flicker]

subl or die

[stiff yarrow]

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2

[cedar spade]

no u

[upper flicker]

3

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ur retarded

[slim nymph]

wiz, anti metrics people and open source are not the same thing

[upper flicker]

anti metrics people can be anti metrics

[pulsar wigeon]

aikar, you're literally making this about metrics

[upper flicker]

just because you disagree doesnt maake them wrong

[bold zephyr]

notepad++ is ❤

[stiff yarrow]

it is bae

Notepad++ is life

[upper flicker]

plenty of people dont give a shit about open source or metrics or electron or anything

[slim nymph]

wiz thats all ive been complaining about lol... i havent said shit about 'open source'

[upper flicker]

some do

such is life

[pulsar wigeon]

metrics is literally just one of the things microsoft adds to the non-open-source version

[stiff yarrow]

what else do they add or change

[pulsar wigeon]

who knows, it's closed source

[slim nymph]

err let me rephrase that

i havent said anything about microsofts open source nature of the project

[cedar spade]

MS binaries include a few non-FOSS plugins too

[slim nymph]

which its MIT, thats pretty liberal

[stiff yarrow]

is liberal the right word

[upper flicker]

they are pretty bait and switch with the binaries

advertising it as open source and then giving you a closed source download

[slim nymph]

if ms already provides an open source version thats trimmed down from what ms releases, why did a fork repo need to exist?

https://jamesdixon.wordpress.com/forking-protocol-why-when-and-how-to-fork-an-open-source-project/

[pulsar wigeon]

they don't

[upper flicker]

oh boy now we can get into a super heated completely subjective argument about when its appropriate to fork

[pulsar wigeon]

?

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concrete is a good fork

[stiff yarrow]

@upper flicker almost sound like they'd be breaking some tech laws if they actually existed

[cedar spade]

MS don't provide FOSS binaries to my knowledge?

At least not releases?

[slim nymph]

forking just to remove telemetry.... thats just what i find stupid

[pulsar wigeon]

if ms already provides an open source version
all they provide is source code to the OSS version

[upper flicker]

I find your finding that stupid, to be stupid

such is life

[pulsar wigeon]

the point of vscodium is to provide binaries for the oss version

[stiff yarrow]

I get it

[pulsar wigeon]

views on metrics, branding, etc aside

[upper flicker]

idk why they have an arch package though