yeah there's a lot of naughty things you can do with Java
#general
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
i mean this plugin is a piece of shit
but so is 99% of the stuff published these days
vestal jasper
^^ If there was a better alternative with the same end result that I knew about I'd be using it
void void
whats it do exactly
vestal jasper
Drops a chest with your shit when you die
stiff yarrow
make one
pulsar wigeon
being a server admin these days must be like walking through a minefield with a blindfold on
void void
i mean what
stiff yarrow
sounds ez
pulsar wigeon
aren't graves plugins a dime a dozen
stiff yarrow
I can literally write that for you for 50 bucks
vestal jasper
When you right click the chest it redoes your inventory
stiff yarrow
vestal jasper
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stiff yarrow
that is also easy to do
vestal jasper
And 1.13 plugins in specific are god awful
At least for 1.12 I have lots of options and a good amount of decent plugins
but it seems only retards update / make plugins for 1.13
void void
yeah i wrote this in like 15 mins and never looked at it gain, so could use a cleanup big time
but
deep shoal
I am annoyed at minecraft
vestal jasper
Oh yeah another plugin I have force disables keepInventory in the death event and modifies the drop table to force its stuff to drop
void void
because it was crashing the server by update checking on main thread
vestal jasper
It's crashed my server twice due to it triggering watchdog because of its main thread HTTP requests
vestal jasper
Yeah I just don't have the time to tbh
void void
Vic you can fork that deathchance thing I linked and remove the "pseudo chance" bullshit
it works
clean it up slightly
deep shoal
@vestal jasper I'll work for you
stiff yarrow
its like a 20 minute job, give or take 10 minutes to shit talk spottedleaf on discord while developing it
vestal jasper
vestal jasper
You should work on Dwellings with me and do the WG shit for me 
void void
he shot his shot
stiff yarrow
but then I'd have to work in ktl
vestal jasper
Kotlin is a glorious language
deep shoal
is it?
stiff yarrow
looks like hipster JVM to me
pulsar wigeon
vestal jasper
Oh no it has no reload command
I have to fucking stop the server or else it'll crash it in 20 hours
gdi dude
pulsar wigeon
you don't run your live servers with a java agent attached so you can hotswap code out?
vestal jasper
deep shoal
is org.bukkit.event.EventHandler used for anything except annotating
pulsar wigeon
did you just ask if an annotation is used for anything other that annotation?
void void
if you look at it, it will be an @interface declaration
stiff yarrow
yee
void void
aka annotation
pulsar wigeon
they're basically mixins Kappa
stiff yarrow
mixin 
pulsar wigeon
interfaces that mix in to classes, fields, methods, params, etc....
pulsar wigeon
and may or may not exist past source/compile/runtime
so uh
nothing like mixins in short
Kappa
void void
pulsar wigeon
tbh why are annotations interfaces anyway
stiff yarrow
its just confusing names
pulsar wigeon
is it?
i guess they mean a form of the philosophical idea of an interface
not an actual java interface
void void
@vestal jasper i removed the chance thing lol https://github.com/jacobsandersen/deathchance
now it ju st drops a chest with all t heir shit
i havent tried it tho kek
vestal jasper
poggers
pulsar wigeon
yea but does it protect it from other people
void void
nah but he can fork and do that
void void
it was a special use case plugin, no need to attack the code kthx
stiff yarrow
there's probably a better word for what annotations are besides 'interfaces'
vestal jasper
so basically you want the AngelChest plugin but without the retardism
void void
lmao
finite wave
Pay me
stiff yarrow
write it in D
void void
anyway, use if you want; or don't. Don't care :p
finite wave
I can do kotlin, scala, eta and java if you want. They can interop
stiff yarrow
stiff yarrow
how am I gonna make 50 bucks if you keep working for compliments simple
driving the economy down
finite wave
Would be funnier to have a random generator 1-4. Kotlin, scala, eta and java. Run it for every class i need.
pulsar wigeon
don't forget clojure
vestal jasper
nossr when you say you won't do it today do you have an eta on when you would 
stiff yarrow
@vestal jasper tomorrow morning
finite wave
@pulsar wigeon Ugh, i can do it sure. I just don’t like the parenthesis.
finite wave
Fuck why do i keep pinging him
pulsar wigeon
finite wave
I swear it’s like a reflex.
vestal jasper
several people are typing
void void
nossr, accept my fucking friend request you fried balut
pulsar wigeon
as punishment you have to use all of those
finite wave
Omg
stiff yarrow
I don't see one from you simple
pulsar wigeon
jesus never even heard of some of these
vestal jasper
@stiff yarrow where's the paypal link smh my head
deep shoal
I love programming
stiff yarrow
@void void you're already on my friends list you tennen boke
stiff yarrow
@vestal jasper only pay me when the job is finished
finite wave
Those other ones naaah
stiff yarrow
feels dirty otherwise
vestal jasper
aight
finite wave
Wtf is Arden Syntax
pulsar wigeon
graalvm 
void void
I gotta use graal one of these days. I was using nashorn, finished my shit, open google and fuck around for a bit
nashorn deprecated!
me: 
finite wave
I swear if you give me a list of 5 langs. I’ll make a plugin using all of those with equal amount of code in each of those divisions.
pulsar wigeon
sorry i don't want to be held accountable when you're found dead in a bathtub in 3 weeks
finite wave
Okay, let’s use proper high enough languages
void void
kotlin, eta, scala, javascript for the kek, and Java
finite wave
Like Java+
wide chasm
Wolfram Language is a high language
finite wave
Okay Simple remind me on monday i got a vacation then.
pulsar wigeon
hexagony is very high level, you should use that
pulsar wigeon
and by high level i mean you'd have to be high af to consider it
wide chasm
lol
finite wave
M8, there is Brainfuck to JVM compilers.
I don’t want people to even think of brainfuck.
stiff yarrow
use ASM x86, BASIC, D, Haskell, and Objective-C
vestal jasper
Wooo more debugging
finite wave
I’ll do Haskell sure fuck those other ones
wide chasm
ASM x86
high level
void void
NERD
finite wave
Crack prolly
stiff yarrow
use the debugger
wide chasm
He asked for high level languages and you are suggesting ASM x86
stiff yarrow
yeah because fuck what he wants
wide chasm
Guess that's fair
stiff yarrow
deep shoal
what do you think is a sensible name for a class that is essentially a Map.Entry<Class<? extends Event>, EventExecutor>
I was calling it an EventHandler
but EventHandler is already a thing in the bukkit API
I wonder if tehre's another appropriate name
finite wave
@deep shoal Are you reimplementing thr Event system?
stiff yarrow
he wanted to show off with an easy task and I made it reasonably tedious 
stiff yarrow
dynamically?
deep shoal
yeah
stiff yarrow
finite wave
@stiff yarrow Considering writing equal amounts of code, the asm part could aimply be some math operations ew.
pulsar wigeon
you can dynamically register events already
finite wave
Apply it to the event handlers @deep shoal
stiff yarrow
why does it need to be equal code
pulsar wigeon
there's register/unregister methods
pulsar wigeon
just store the listener and unregister it when you don't want it anymore
finite wave
@vernal moth has a GlobalEvent code stuff
deep shoal
yeah I do that already @pulsar wigeon
pulsar wigeon
tbh it's easier to just stop (ie check a bool) than unregister a lot
deep shoal
why is that easier
pulsar wigeon
changing event handlers at runtime is very nonperformant since the handler lists need to rebake
stiff yarrow
rebake 
vestal jasper
pulsar wigeon
don't answer that
stiff yarrow
deep shoal
how very is "very" nonperformant
pulsar wigeon
why do you want this?
deep shoal
I want users to be able to code their own scripts to run on the server
pulsar wigeon
sounds like more xy problems
finite wave
It’s called skript
finite wave
vestal jasper
wiz is an xy problem
pulsar wigeon
but in this case it really is
vestal jasper
skript 
pulsar wigeon
"how do i make a dynamic event listener" or w/e is like 5 steps removed from what the original purpose is i'm sure
finite wave
@deep shoal QuickSkript
deep shoal
stiff yarrow
I'm gonna go on with life never knowing what skript is
deep shoal
finite wave
@wide chasm
finite wave
I’m just dissing it etc. never actually written any skript.
stiff yarrow
are you surprised
vestal jasper
no
stiff yarrow
finite wave
Yes
deep shoal
I don't want to use Skript
it's got its own api and everything
I want to expose less to the user
pulsar wigeon
yes, he'd rather make his own even more useless thing
vestal jasper
make a custom font
pulsar wigeon
name everything 🐸
deep shoal
what do you think is a sensible name for a class that is essentially a Map.Entry<Class<? extends Event>, EventExecutor>
I was calling it an EventHandler
but EventHandler is already a thing in the bukkit API
I wonder if tehre's another appropriate name
finite wave
Map.Entry seems like a fitting name
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal EventRuntimeBitchMap
pulsar wigeon
public class 🐸 extends JavaPlugin {
public void onEnable() {
🐸();
}
public void 🐸() {
load🐸();
}
}
@finite wave maybe but then every single time I use it I fill up 50% of the line width
stiff yarrow
acoustic pilot
o boi lol
finite wave
Lol
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal welcome to Java
deep shoal
I just want it in a little container class
pulsar wigeon
stiff yarrow
the delegates to your container class are gonna fill up 50% of your linewidth
deep shoal
I had originally basically
interface EventHandler {
public Class<? extends Event> getEventClass();
public EventExecutor getEventExecutor();
}
idk what a delegate is
stiff yarrow
if you're OCD about verbosity you're in for a bad time with Java
pulsar wigeon
why is that a map tbh
deep shoal
I was just using it as an example
pulsar wigeon
can scripts not register more than one listener per event class?
finite wave
CAN I EAT MY COOKIES ALONE
finite wave
Tripler
deep shoal
just java doesn't have that data type
finite wave
It does
pulsar wigeon
so, a tuple
deep shoal
Map.Entry is the closest
deep shoal
yeah
YEAH
interface EventHandler {
public Class<? extends Event> getEventClass();
public EventExecutor getEventExecutor();
}```wow Java actually has that datatype
deep shoal
WHICH IS THIS
this is the class
I want to write
"you can write classes
in java
that do things you want"
finite wave
Shut up
pulsar wigeon
a tuple
finite wave
EventEntry
pulsar wigeon
a good name would be a tuple
deep shoal
EventEntry haha
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal why does it have to avoid clashing with bukkit
pulsar wigeon
for a type that's a tuple of two types
deep shoal
I like that one actually
finite wave
Now don’t pester us with this. 😉
void void
wow, philippine pisos are heading back to around 51 to a dollar, nice
they were nearly at 55
last june
deep shoal
what's wrong with my heap of smellyness
stiff yarrow
possibly a lot of things
acoustic pilot
You should put your dev chat in #paper-dev so we don't have to see it here in our social hangout 😃
stiff yarrow
but this is the only channel I read byte
acoustic pilot
That's the point.
deep shoal
if I finish this project can I show it here to get told how to make it better
acoustic pilot
Out of sight, out of mind.
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
we are telling you how to make it better
deep shoal
not really
pulsar wigeon
except you're choosing to do retarded things instead
deep shoal
I don't think you understand what I want
pulsar wigeon
well we were fucking ASKING
stiff yarrow
I don't think you understand what you want
finite wave
Tuna we will audit the crappy idea yes.
stiff yarrow
explain why you register events during runtime so I can move past being triggered by it if its a legitimate reason
finite wave
To be honest that’s just object oriented programming in a nutshell
finite wave
Suck my flaccid coke can.
pulsar wigeon
ew soda
acoustic pilot
mm soda
stiff yarrow
finite wave
Lol
void void
she just wants it because "it's cool"
stiff yarrow
did she scamaz you into it
finite wave
Hey
void void
FUCK THIS BITCH
finite wave
If it’s cool
void void
i am so done
stiff yarrow
answer honestly
void void
no I'm not doing it
void void
I told her, no, not unless I am paid more
void void
i have no fucking idea what her deal is
acoustic pilot
Well I think she wasn't going to pay him
So it was just free work she wanted him to do
void void
im never working with this cuntaroo ever again
stiff yarrow
you can work with me on your next freelance but we only program in memes
void void
better than this bullshit
stiff yarrow
void void
christ
pulsar wigeon
send an invoice to the client for damages spent trying to interact with cuntaroo
deep shoal
@pulsar wigeon I want to make the core API which can be used on a bunch of servers
based on gamemodes where players equip "kits"
a kit defines the armor players wear and a collection of abilities they can use, an ability is basically a collection of EventHandlers that define custom behaviour when the player does stuff
I want to be able to code e.g. one server where all the kits are pre-defined, sitting on top of the api in their own plugin
and e.g. another server where users can use a website, submit their own javascript, which is interpreted by me, and then runs on the api to implement custom kits
when a player equips a kit, that's when I am imagining I'd dynamically register event listeners
and when a player dekits, I would unregister
maybe there's better ways
void void
sorry i should say first "big" project lmao.
pulsar wigeon
you absolutely should not be registering a listener for each player donning the armor HOLY SHIT
acoustic pilot
When people say "core" they mean "framework" and a framework generally is a common starter project for many.
deep shoal
why not @pulsar wigeon
void void
here we go
pulsar wigeon
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal the design is flawed
void void
you're registering a listener for the lifeitme of the plugin everytime someone puts armor on
stiff yarrow
first of all you're modifying a list that Bukkit depends on so you're halting everything in the main thread while that happens
deep shoal
no it gets unregistered
void void
that means its going to fire multiple times, as you continue registeirng
deep shoal
someone told me unregistering is also bad though
stiff yarrow
I'd probably avoid unregistering too
pulsar wigeon
each time someone changes their armor
stiff yarrow
no real need for it unless you have some special weird ass plugin
pulsar wigeon
he want to register/unregister events for EVERY event that "kit" touches
acoustic pilot
registering and unregistering should only ever be done in one place: in the enable/disable lifecycle phases.
pulsar wigeon
lmfao
acoustic pilot
of the plugin
stiff yarrow
deep shoal
what if I implement my own event system then so this "first of all you're modifying a list that Bukkit depends on so you're halting everything in the main thread while that happens
"
doesn't happen
acoustic pilot
as it incurs a pretty big penalty doing it elsewhere
pulsar wigeon
wait wait wait
slow down
you're implementing your own event system now? not dynamically registering/unregistering with bukkit?
acoustic pilot
why would you implement your own event system?
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal the event is a snapshot for state, so you don't really need to have one for each player, the state can dictate which player it is
pulsar wigeon
you mean this was a lie? or the other part is?
deep shoal
if using bukkit.registerListener
or whatever
is bad
then I can just use myApi.registerEvents(blah)
and then myApi has one listener
void void
oh fuck
deep shoal
registered onto bukkit
void void
he just doesnt understand...
acoustic pilot
why can't you just make it in a way that you only register your listeners once and use bukkit's event system?
why does it have to be so complicated
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal all the concepts of bad and good you have you should delete from your memory and start over
pulsar wigeon
yes you do
stiff yarrow
all of them?
acoustic pilot
you could register a listener for all the events you know you're going to use
pulsar wigeon
you register whatever your api exposes
pulsar wigeon
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID THOUGH
stiff yarrow
rarely you will ever need to selectively register things
deep shoal
I thought this is what I said
acoustic pilot
a plugin should know what events it needs to use when it's being enabled
deep shoal
but this is a good idea?
acoustic pilot
why wouldn't you know
pulsar wigeon
well, for the last 30 minutes
deep shoal
bc simple reacted with "fuck"
finite wave
stiff yarrow
btw who else uses the WINDOWSKEY + SHIFT +S shortcut its so dope
pulsar wigeon
deep shoal
and then in each handler there
pulsar wigeon
takes 3 seconds
acoustic pilot
you could just design your events in a way that plugins can register their own listeners that use your events
pulsar wigeon
that's copying bukkit's system
stiff yarrow
there's no middleman with WINDOWSKEY+SHIFT+S tho, just CTRL+V into discord
acoustic pilot
why do you have event executors in the first place
sounds dumb
let plugins register events like normally
listeners, rather
stiff yarrow
you should use bukkits API for events so other plugins can interact with your custom events
you tennen boke
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
stiff yarrow
doesn't that mean it just does the same thing but you're using a program as the middleman
pulsar wigeon
windows is a program
pulsar wigeon
win shift s isn't NT kernel lol
stiff yarrow
?
tuna what are you so paranoid about
you're doing what is called defensive programming
stop it
deep shoal
everyone keeps telling me my ideas are shit
acoustic pilot
I think for the sake of everyone's mental health it'd be best if we just discontinued this discussion in here lol
deep shoal
idk what defensive programming is
stiff yarrow
it's what you are doing
you think everything is bad so you're over engineering things
stiff yarrow
except you're over-engineering things to be shitty
deep shoal
lol I didn't think stuff was bad
people told me my idea was bad
so I wanted to know how to improve it
stiff yarrow
thats about the only descriptor you've used to explain your actions
'x is bad so I made y'
pulsar wigeon
that's why you use NotImplementedException instead of //TODO
void void
lay it down babey
pulsar wigeon
or better, use both
stiff yarrow
except you're saying 'I was told x is bad so I did y'
acoustic pilot
There's no need for that, it was just a suggestion 😃
They can torture themselves all they want
stiff yarrow
which means you trust your source too much
acoustic pilot
I'm off to get a California Burrito 😄
void void
fuck those are good
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal if you filter out the mean words and the screeching you are getting solid advice from us
pulsar wigeon
REEEEE
vestal jasper
REEEE
void void
pulsar wigeon
yea but seriously, you started by saying "I'm not reimplementing the event system, i'm dynamically registering/unregistering listeners" and we're like "that's a bad idea, why would you do that" and it took you half an hour to just explain your use case
and then you went full circle and said you are reimplementing the event system
deep shoal
yeah
I thought that was a better idea
by this point
bc people told me using bukkit.registerEvents or w/e freezes the main thread
pulsar wigeon
you never at any point said "hey i'd like to allow people to make custom scripts that execute js when people wear my armor 'kits'"
void void
any sync method "freezes" the main thread for a short time. what do you think tps is measuring
finite wave
Time per second^60
vestal jasper
tea pours?
finite wave
Clearly
deep shoal
I will try to create what I understand as a better system now
deep shoal
then can I just show it to you
finite wave
Wow
deep shoal
lol
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal the better system is not to register anything during runtime
use Bukkits event system
and handle all players with 1 event
deep shoal
handle all players with 1 event
void void
yeah but what i meant...is 1 tick = a full game loop, including calls to sync methods; those sync methods if they take longer will result in 1 tick taking longer than 1/20th per second, hence a tps drop
pulsar wigeon
onSomeEvent(PlayerEvent bla) {
if (isWearingKit(bla.getPlayer())) {
kit.executeEvent(context);
}
}```@deep shoal
vestal jasper
This was way too simple. I feel like I'm doing this wrong.
fun removeClaim(dwelling: Dwelling, claim: Claim) {
getRegionManager(BukkitAdapter.adapt(claim.world)).ifPresent { manager ->
manager.removeRegion(dwelling.getIdentifier(claim))
}
}```that looks right
vestal jasper
huh
Every other WG thing I've done has required like an entire fucking book worth of code to accomplish
pulsar wigeon
like what
carmine mason
what programming language is that? @vestal jasper
stiff yarrow
?
pulsar wigeon
scala
vestal jasper
Kotlin
void void
kote line
stiff yarrow
we don't talk about scala
pulsar wigeon
kotlin is scala for nerds
golden gust
vestal jasper
Tbh I think I simplified most of it
void void
pets @golden gust
limber knotBOT
purrs
vestal jasper
I think it was just over complex because I'm a retard who's never worked with wg before
pulsar wigeon
i mean, we have docs :^)
vestal jasper
what are docs /s
pulsar wigeon
stiff yarrow
@vestal jasper its okay you only get better by realizing you are shit
pulsar wigeon
i love that rtd has that domain
wide chasm
Does rtfd stand for read the fucking docs?
wide chasm
Nice
pulsar wigeon
rtfd is the "short link"
void void
yea
stiff yarrow
I wouldn't have even been offended
the proper response to that is 'yeah you're right'
void void
I was busy doing shit I can't be working and teaching, for one im not paid for that shit
lmao
stiff yarrow
tbh if I were him I would've been embarrassed by my actions the moment you told me to rtfm
because I have dignity
stiff yarrow
oh geez
void void
told his manager
stiff yarrow
vestal jasper
No
stiff yarrow
rtfm is like a pretty well known term tho
vestal jasper
I create regions, assign groups to the regions, and give members of the region the group
void void
yeah i dont know how he got a job as a programmer but whatever
vestal jasper
When they leave the dwelling or the dwelling is deleted
I need to remove them from the groups
They may be offline when either of those things happen
vestal jasper
I guess yeah
stiff yarrow
the CS grads that don't code while in school are so weird to me
finite wave
@stiff yarrow I code all the the or read up on concepts am i fine to you?
void void
The bank was his first job, he had his fancy degree, and knew how to write C#. That's it.
pulsar wigeon
hey i'm a full time c# dev now
void void
Didn't know JS, shat on Java all the time, doesn't know anything but Visual Studio
pulsar wigeon
i take offense
pulsar wigeon
said who
void void
that's IT
void void
couldn't write it without visual studio either, ask him to write some C# and he says "no that doesn't have intellisense"
limber knotBOT
explains a lot 
silent oak
vestal jasper
Create region
Assign group to region
Give player group
This is easier than
Create region
Assign all members of group to all existing and new regions
Add member
Add member to all existing regions
less work on my part
stiff yarrow
@finite wave as long as you are coding its gucci
pulsar wigeon
so you create a group for each region?
vestal jasper
No
upper flicker
idk if I'd ever call Jan "fine"
pulsar wigeon
i wrote c in vim in college
stiff yarrow
vim
vestal jasper
One group per dwelling / village.
All regions that are part of the dwelling use the same group.
All members of the dwelling are given that group.
void void
manually javac the classes in the correct order, too
pulsar wigeon
oic, a dwelling is multiregion
vestal jasper
Yes
pulsar wigeon
you know you can use a parent region for that
vestal jasper
Huh
stiff yarrow
NGL writing Java without an IDE sounds like a nightmare
pulsar wigeon
makes it much easier to delete the dwelling too
void void
that's how I learned
pulsar wigeon
just manager.remove("dwellingParent", REMOVE_CHILDREN)
void void
now I can write it with my eyes closed
pulsar wigeon
boom, entire dwelling nixed
(note that remove_children was bugged til recent dev builds so uhhhhh)
vestal jasper
pulsar wigeon
but besides from that it's a lot easier
then you add individual players to the parent
and don't have to fuck with the individual regions
vestal jasper
Would they inherit the parent region's flags?
pulsar wigeon
yes
vestal jasper
Nice
pulsar wigeon
unless explicitly overriden
vestal jasper
I'll switch over to that soon
void void
hmmm I think I might try to adjust to Philippine time, stay up all night to around 7am or so, and wake up around 2. Might help the jetlag
pulsar wigeon
yea just keep in mind that remove_children is broken until recent dev builds so you have to iterate over children yourself and remove. shouldn't be too hard if you have a list or if it's not nested deep tho
technically there's a major "inefficiency" that WG doesn't store children, only parents
so going down a tree is ugly if it's nested deep
vestal jasper
This won't be used for at least a few weeks so I'll just use the dev build and hope there's a release by then
pulsar wigeon
most people don't have multi-nested parents tho
vestal jasper
This will only be two levels so that shouldn't be too much of a problem
pulsar wigeon
most of the region api is synchronized where needed too
vestal jasper
I also would like to combine adjacent regions (all dwelling regions encapsulate chunks)
I have a feeling that would be a little more complex than the other stuff.
At least to keep the region count down somewhat
pulsar wigeon
though it's not officially documented
there's a bunch of stuff you can call async
someone else was asking about that recently
in our discord
they have a claim system they're doing like that
were asking about merging adjacent regions
pulsar wigeon
lol
search #api for keke i think
tho he wanted to make polygonal regions with his chunks which is questionable
stiff yarrow
very questionable
pulsar wigeon
pointed him to concave hulling algorithm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
if you're already managing multiple regions (especially with a parent to manage members/flags), there's really not much need
cuboids are significantly faster than odd polys in the end
even though we do aabb-based spatial indexing for the first pass
vestal jasper
Tbh if I just deal with the parent region I don't think merging sub regions should be needed. I'd just like to keep the region count down.
But if it's less efficient I don't think it's worth the effort
vestal jasper
I mean if poly regions are less efficient it's not worth merging them *
pulsar wigeon
oh i mean you can still simplify to cuboids
eg two adjacent chunks, or any line/square of them can simplify
i just wouldn't merge 3 chunks in a L shape
vestal jasper
Yeah that's what I mean
pulsar wigeon
yea
vestal jasper
I'd have to implement more code to check for that too
aka way more work than I'd like to put in just to shorten the list
pulsar wigeon
yea
void void
@stiff yarrow Romania
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can we add an alias for us mere mortals who dont know that issue by number
limber knotBOT
if you have a name suggestion :P I just have the issue number ingrained into my nightmares
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there's some way to add an alias to an existing command
pingtimeout
there you go
carmine mason
is paper any securer than spigot?
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it fixes some exploits and whatnot that spigot doesnt
but its not like it adds an explicit encryption or super secure 28 point logins or anything
carmine mason
i was refering more to exploits someone could use to gain further access on the system
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there really arent many of those to start with
stiff yarrow
not aware of any of that severity on spigot personally
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most of those types of exploits exist in the realm of the operating system and supporting services
limber knotBOT
Worse issues around that mostly relate to creative mode and plugins
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ah creative mode
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yeah if you used a plugin someone just randomly sent you its theoretically possible
I know of a few cases of that being used to backdoor into the user the process is running as
(which is why you dont run servers as root)
finite wave
You should use thisnpæugin; It is a jar file
carmine mason
cause i am thinking of using my old pc as public mc server (with port forwading) and than technically the server would be the entrence to the network
limber knotBOT
Unless you're only playing with a handful of players or have an ISP with a package dedicated to heavy uploads and stuff, that's likely going to suck
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inb4 $15
pulsar wigeon
nah the real money comes from selling crates to kids using their mom's credit card
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do people pay you to stop?
finite wave
Yes
pulsar wigeon
@stiff yarrow that SBprime guy has a premium version of AWE
does spigot show sales
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shows dls
olive garden
can confirm, he has sent me nudes
stiff yarrow
@pulsar wigeon yes sales are the download count for premium
stiff yarrow
but no ones gonna buy some guys knock off WE I assume
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.g "o dpm" meaning
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://dpm.wi.gov/Documents/Admin Office/Shared Services Exec Comm/SSEC Minutes 20180719 Mtg.pdf -- Shared Services Executive Committee Minutes 7-19-2018: "Jul 19, 2018 ... o DPM is moving forward with staffing of Region 3 and 4 director ... meaning any vacancies may be held, filled, or used for a..."
pulsar wigeon
i don't have an account so i can't see spigot premium resources
pulsar wigeon
o dpm = "i don" but shifted over a letter
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.g asyncworldedit spigot
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/asyncworldedit.327/ -- AsyncWorldEdit | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft: "Async WorldEdit - Edit millions of blocks without lag! ... AsyncWorldEdit is not a reimplementation of WorldEdit! It attaches the .... Using the..."
finite wave
Trigary did i send you that girl who is shitting tennis balls?
stiff yarrow
that's not a premium one spotted
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yeah ik
pulsar wigeon
.g asyncworldedit premium
stiff yarrow
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/asyncworldedit-premium.9661/ -- AsyncWorldEdit - Premium | SpigotMC - High Performance...: "Async WorldEdit - Edit millions of blocks without lag!"
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.wa 2249 * 7
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 15743 - https://is.gd/l5NF6W
stiff yarrow
15743
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16k huh
stiff yarrow
over 4 years
pulsar wigeon
brb making WorldEdit 8 selling for $2-3 a piece
finite wave
Not even 10 mac books
stiff yarrow
if WE was premium it'd have that many sales in 30-60 days or less
finite wave
@pulsar wigeon Make sure all older versions keep pestering people to switch.
pulsar wigeon
o yea tru
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at least $20
stiff yarrow
sell it for like 20 bucks at least
pulsar wigeon
server sales are one per i guess
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it was mentioned on minecraft's homepage lol
finite wave
Licensed
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imagine if you got a link there
pulsar wigeon
idk i just have to keep up wth Jesse's shit code
even tho it breaks everything people like it because it's fast
finite wave
Let’s rewrite WG in scala
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lets not
stiff yarrow
this begs the question
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let's end our lives in scala
finite wave
Cause he is just maintaining the code
stiff yarrow
literally FAWE is a meme
finite wave
Not improving duh
stiff yarrow
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I bet most shit isn't just worth it :>
ur big hitter for perf is setting those blocks
pulsar wigeon
yea, in the end the setting has to be done sync
batching is possible, but requires a lot of architectural moving
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that will break things
finite wave
But beware of corruption
finite wave
Lies
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mfw
pulsar wigeon
kinda
they do other really hacky shit too
like making an nms Chunk and replacing the existing one pretty much
edit the underlying arrays async, then swap them in to the world sync
there's a lot of safeness/speed tradeoffs
finite wave
Cool
void void
Spectre or meltdown is still on Core 2 Duo P8600 2,4 Ghz?
void void
spectre & meltdown kinda affect every intel core series processor
old wrecks such as Pentium 4 etc. shouldn't be affected - however they aren't relevant anymore anyway
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sticking by my intel 8088 finally pays off
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0jQZxH7NgM -- Pentium 4 - 5GHz overclocked - YouTube: "Jan 26, 2007 ... Liquid nitrogen to cool the Pentium 4 by Tom's Hardware."
void void
ye lol
vestal jasper
Isn't the 8088 a math coprocessor?
void void
no?
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reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
void void
Spectre and meltdown can be patched?
void void
Hunt CPUs for years
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there's a patch for like one piece of it, and then some microcode updates to make it easier for programs and software to mitigate the other 3 or 4 or 27 parts of spectre
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huh detodated wam really has gone down in price
void void
why do you worry about spectre & meltdown?
I never saw spectre or meltdown effects
Only a BSOD because HDD is dying
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its not really the type of exploit where you'd see it anyway
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yeah
void void
it's really rare and mostly cloud server sellers are affected of it
ancient bolt
fuck the battery life of these earbuds has gone to shit
void void
but spectre, meltdown and even l1tf patches however make cpus slower in some degrees
upper flicker
meltdown doesnt really have a performance penalty
and its a pretty glaring thing
you should fix that one
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generally ur a performance penalty
void void
rekt
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people debate the spectre workarounds a bit more because the mitigations incur a noticeable hit on context switches
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we should just remove context switches entirely
ancient bolt
I mean why does anyone care about spectre anyways
void void
Had today with spotify chrome and wallpaper engine(max settings) under 60°C
which makes my shit laptop even shittier lol
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openbsd did that
ancient bolt
not like anyone cares about other hardware vulnerabilities like rowhammer
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big spooky exploit
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no one else has disabled HT
stiff yarrow
@pulsar wigeon safeness should always be #1 prio
pulsar wigeon
for most servers yea
void void
openbsd consists of bunch of security nerds anyway
pulsar wigeon
fawe mostly appeals to build teams tho
who aren't running on prod environments of many players doing whatever
stiff yarrow
if you put something in that only works 90% of the time but its fast that's still a NOPE from me
pulsar wigeon
or in plot servers where people give WE as a perk
cuz if you have 40 people using it at once then yea...
need some limits on that
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40 people using WE at once...
void void
lul
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that's just terrifying
void void
With FAWE no crash?
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what does FAWE stand for
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Fast Async World Exception
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thx
void void
FastAsyncWorldEdit
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I suspect the reason they got so popular was more like FreeAsyncWorldEdit
because AWE was paid at the time
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I went to edit it and it was literally in there one time
so idk what this garbage client is doing
and then I hit enter and it fixed itself
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yeah sounds like ur retarded
vestal jasper
leaf ur retarded
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ur retarded
vestal jasper
no u
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u
vestal jasper
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void void
here we go again
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garbage client
vestal jasper
retard client
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it is fixed
void void
bad paper dev
vestal jasper
FIX IT 
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REEEEE
pulsar wigeon
it stands for FreeAsyncWorldException
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we all know ur just fucking with us
pulsar wigeon
:^)
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mfw
void void
When Paper 1.12.2 will be perfect(no bugs or exploits) what will happen?
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never
no software is ever bug free
and no software based on minecraft can ever even dream of it
vestal jasper
Wait won't I have to put the parent region somewhere?
pulsar wigeon
you can make it a global region
which is different from __global__
see GlobalProtectedRegion
vestal jasper
That sounds fuckity
vestal jasper
Wouldn't non dwelling multiregion members be fucked out of using the world then?
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globul
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is this C
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I love that rtd has the rtfd domain
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rtd = ?
hot hound
ITS SPOTTED LEAF
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spotted lead lol