Imagine if we sold the plugins
#general
heady spear
static badge
sell ur head on a pike
austere ivy
Also fawe is the best plugin in esitsance
Dang autocorrect only when I actually need you
Existence
heady spear
If I were in it for the money, I would have quit years ago.
austere ivy
is that why you’re 🅱roke
heady spear
I’m broke because I’m a uni student lol
stiff yarrow
if you were in it for the money you'd still be broke 
stiff yarrow
I'm only teasing 
heady spear
Omg so teased
stiff yarrow
we all know the only way to make money is to do a p2w server
heady spear
I almost exclusively work on my web server nowadays tho
gloomy sphinx
is that why plotsquare is so broken?
stiff yarrow
damn those mcmmo devs
gloomy sphinx
been like 6 months
stiff yarrow
static badge
too many commits
stiff yarrow
what do you feed your JAR to make it so thicc
proud inlet
Long syntax
static badge
monkaW
finite wave
@stiff yarrow He is just using clojure with the stdlib
fiery oracle
guys is good idea to use Paper on skyblock serveR?
- would u recommend me to use old combat or new?
stiff yarrow
2nd question is subjective
1st question is you're in the paper discord
what do you think 
fiery oracle
😄 well im wondering if its good for it
cosmic raft
fiery oracle
or i should go for custom jar
cosmic raft
looks safe
finite wave
Paper is good for everything
stiff yarrow
paper basically sets out to do the impossible, fix the bukkit API
fiery oracle
like there are no need any fixes like for factions > canoning and that shit
finite wave
Usually
stiff yarrow
the hell is a custom jar
finite wave
Custom jars are just scams made by autistic 10yo’s
stiff yarrow
are you talking about when people modify paper/spigot for 1.8 to fix the broken shit?
stiff yarrow
ask yourself was Minecraft combat ever good
stiff yarrow
there's some 1.13 plugins that let you spam attacks again
finite wave
Do as any reasonable server and use the latest bug free version
finite wave
@grand slate
fiery oracle
well lets try it out 😄
finite wave
Is that yours Rayz?
stiff yarrow
its free so try it out
if you can enable spam attacks through plugins it really begs the question why are people still on 1.8
stiff yarrow
lets ask @acoustic pilot since hes the expert on 1.8 servers
finite wave
stiff yarrow
if you can't even compile the plugin you are overhauling that might be a red flag
fiery oracle
=> [02:23:10 INFO]: This server is running Paper version git-Paper-614 (MC: 1.13.2) (Implementing API version 1.13.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT)
good version?
stiff yarrow
fiery oracle
or i should move to 1.12
stiff yarrow
@fiery oracle depends on so many factors
fiery oracle
can u name few important?
stiff yarrow
if you for example are using some abandoned plugin that the author hasn't updated and will never update
1.12 is better
stiff yarrow
1.13 is better otherwise except the performance is kind of poop
finite wave
^
fiery oracle
so 1.12 becouse perfomance matter
fiery oracle
100 max
stiff yarrow
what kind of server
finite wave
Well, 1.13 is just a hacky fix
fiery oracle
i guess
gloomy sphinx
if you can't decide for yourself unsure if you should run a server 🤔
native thunder
100 shouldn't be an issue
stiff yarrow
yeah most 1.12 plugins can be updated to 1.13 fairly easily if you hire some kid for below minimum wage to do it
fiery oracle
@gloomy sphinx i love smart asses like you, im just trying to select correct version .
finite wave
I’ll make your plugins for 10$ an hour but i’ll use 3x the time.
We have no minimum wage in Denmark
stiff yarrow
I have to rethink how much I'd charge for freelance after aikar showboated
fiery oracle
😄
stiff yarrow
I'm jealous of those margins he has
finite wave
He’s amazing though
gloomy sphinx
what are his margins
stiff yarrow
they are THICC
gloomy sphinx
$60 an hour?
stiff yarrow
thicc like the lining in his stomach used to be before his 5 hour energy addiction
he stated 100/hr
finite wave
This is stefs margin
gloomy sphinx
heh
stiff yarrow
idk how often you would find work for 100/hr but damn I'm jealous
stiff yarrow
I usually don't do hourly either because its some weird honor system
I just tell them what I'd do the job for
finite wave
Yeah, i’m not in the mood to spend 27/4 getting rep.
I get paid 50% up front and 50% after
native thunder
Billing hourly is weird ya
stiff yarrow
yeah I also do the half up front
stiff yarrow
we can all learn from aikar senpai
gloomy sphinx
cosmic raft
heh
stiff yarrow
lol I've done beginner level OpenGL/GLSL and I would hate to work in it full time
gloomy sphinx
would you do it for 16k
stiff yarrow
yes but I wouldn't have the skillset
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
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static badge
lol bet the fps is garbage tier on that
stiff yarrow
I'd have to study graphics programming for a long time to do what sonic does in his shaders
gloomy sphinx
Nvidia even started advertising it and called it Ray tracing!
cosmic raft
watch the video leaf
stiff yarrow
@static badge actually runs good because he uses a lot of shortcuts to simplify the raycast render
static badge
hmm so he's a god at it then
gloomy sphinx
so weird how shaders has survived so long
stiff yarrow
yeah hes pretty skilled at this point
static badge
shaders survive because people want them
if people still want them
they'll survive
economies part 0
gloomy sphinx
never really seen anyone actually play with them
gloomy sphinx
better than aikar?
stiff yarrow
you don't have to compare everything to aikar
stiff yarrow
getting good at graphics programming is very impressive, especially if its working with the beast known as OpenGL
gloomy sphinx
seems pretty easy
finite wave
Vulcan is worse
static badge
isn't opengl extension hell
static badge
oh no
stiff yarrow
as its a soft standard
static badge
not snowflakes in hell!
stiff yarrow
if your GTX 980 decided 'lol lets do this instruction differently for optimization!' you can get bugs in your code just for that hardware
gloomy sphinx
what's the best way to combat that
finite wave
It’s called ash @static badge
stiff yarrow
use different instructions
just for that card
galaxy brain shit
tbh stuff like that is probably not a regular occurrence but the fact that it can happen at all is 
finite wave
limber knotBOT
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fiery oracle
guys
When i connect its spamming you are moving too fast its becouse of papermc or via versions?
fiery oracle
well developer of via versions told me its in minecraft or something like that
and im not useing any cheats its spamming console after reconnect
like 2sec and then end
finite wave
Well, Paper isn’t doing that so rest assured.
stiff yarrow
don't expect something like viaversion to work flawlessly imo
quasi valley
try moving viaversion from the proxy to the paper servers and see if the lagbacks persist
(also if you have it on both, remove it from either one)
placid thicket
hey, still pretty new to working with paper (former bukkit user) now that 1.14 has entered prerelease phase what is the expected timeline for paper 1.14 after release? purely just curious.
static badge
oh that's why people are asking
it'll be out sometime after spigot 1.14 goes out
how long? who knows :>
placid thicket
ah, with updates in the past (not including 1.13) has it generally been less than a month? also are plugins expected to break as horrificly this time around?
finite wave
Paper was not at fault for any plugin breakage
acoustic pilot
Paper is a drop-in replacement for Spigot, so any breakage originates from Spigot.
And there's no telling how long it would take, but upwards of a month sounds reasonable.
Spigot has to update first, because Paper is built on top of Spigot.
And then maybe a week to a month until Paper updates, no guarantees.
There are no certainties.
quasi valley
If plugins break solely depends on Spigot's 1.14 release, but sadly (or not) we are not md5 :p
placid thicket
was mainly wanting to make sure it wasn't going to be another year long gap 😛 i am happy with whatever time it takes (within reason)
acoustic pilot
Unfortunately your happiness is not a factor in how long it takes 😦
It takes as long as it takes, and atm it depends on when Spigot updates.
So they are better equipped to answer your question than we are.
Paper tends to update rather quickly once Spigot has updated.
placid thicket
i meant nothing by it, only that we can't live without you. 😃
acoustic pilot
Hopefully Spigot has been working on the snapshots and pre-release, which would possibly shorten how long it takes once 1.14 is actually released.
heady spear
Good thing spigot is a very transparent project
acoustic pilot
lol
heady spear
So we don't have to wonder
finite wave
limber knotBOT
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static badge
wtf
acoustic pilot
Spigot's "community server" runs on snapshots, I think. So they have been working on it, it would seem.
They just don't share any of that progress with everyone else, which sucks.
quasi valley
the last time I tried to join it with a snapshot my game crashed 👀
static badge
interesting why doesn't md69 share
afraid of people mass using it and complaining "reee it's broken?"
acoustic pilot
Mass community input can only lead to positive changes, I would think 😛
static badge
so we don't know why :>
acoustic pilot
Whereas right now md_5 runs it in a very much dictatorial fashion.
With zero community input
placid thicket
is there somewhere i should be going to find this information? my own googling hasn't turned up much
acoustic pilot
What information? You know as much as we do, now 😃
placid thicket
XD excellent, i didn't know there was a snapshot server though, and have been unable to find any kind of repository for spigot spesific information
acoustic pilot
It's on the Spigot homepage: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/spigot-community-server-1-14.356139/
It's been regularly updated with new snapshots, so it's possible it'll be updated with the pre-release soon, but no idea.
placid thicket
why is it the only thing that didnt come up in my googling was the actual spigot page... its too early in the morning for me
stiff yarrow
@placid thicket 1.13 had big changes internally for Minecraft which resulted in unavoidable breakage
placid thicket
i was aware of that, to my knowledge 1.14 does not have an equally large change, unless i am wrong?
stiff yarrow
it probably does not but we'll see, I haven't been following it too closely
breaks can also come from md5 deciding to break API, which can be unrelated to MC updating
quasi valley
There might be some changes to inventory creation and some villager based stuff, but not anything biggy from minecraft's side afaik
placid thicket
good to know
we have one plugin that is no longer being activly developed and took me like 3 months of fighting to get working for 1.13 >.>
finite wave
Pay me and i’ll do it
grand slate
@finite wave nah got no idea who that is
stiff yarrow
3 months
finite wave
Cool
finite wave
I like them
quasi valley
Byte you missed a perfect pun of them being... dead
acoustic pilot
Z Nation, The Rezort, Dead Set, and now Black Summer
Oh, can't forget TWD, too, ofc 😛
Doesn't even include all the zombie movies, those are just TV shows 😛
finite wave
Rezort is a movie isn’t it?
acoustic pilot
Z Nation got pretty creative with the genre, but the last season is a total flop
carmine mason
grand slate
Funny thing, barely heard of any of them
void void
@stiff yarrow are you doing better now?
acoustic pilot
Yeah first couple were gold
stiff yarrow
no because I have to work on config code again 
acoustic pilot
Well, the entire series pretty much redefines the zombie genre, not surprised they went crazy with it
but yeah it got pretty cheesy as the seasons progressed
void void
im sorry about that
when theres some hard code i need to work on, i like to do this thing
it's called "giving up" and this probably doesn't help you at all
void void
fuk
static badge
is kohi some weeaboo shit
acoustic pilot
surprised it went down, i would think it was rolling in money.
stiff yarrow
its just incredibly tedious, especially writing new comments for the config options
void void
what filesystem would you pick for a SSD? im about to mount one.
limber knotBOT
pifs
deep shoal
what's the version for paper build 616
static badge
1.13.2
deep shoal
is the artifact id still paper-api in 1.13.2
deep shoal
where dd com.destroystokyo come from btw
limber knotBOT
who wouldn't want to destroy tokyo?
deep shoal
in my pom.xml
heady spear
No
finite wave
It’s Paper stuff
deep shoal
can i depend on 1.13.2, it means the same as dependong on 1.13.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT
finite wave
But shouldn’t need it in pom?
heady spear
Dependong
deep shoal
my server jar I just downloaded p sure it's 1.13.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT
finite wave
You need to depend on the correct version
heady spear
@finite wave do u want pic of my dependong
deep shoal
Could not find artifact com.destroystokyo.paper:paper-api:jar:1.13.2--R0.1-SNAPSHOT in papermc (https://papermc.io/repo/repository/maven-public/
quasi valley
--
heady spear
Why the double dash
That sounds like a hella stupid pony
Rainbow dash and double dash
quasi valley
the FBI guy linked to you probably wanted to be funny and added it
heady spear
Does each FBI guy also have a FBI guy linked to them?
quasi valley
oh that's a good question
heady spear
And can one fbi guy be linked to multiple people?
Otherwise there would have to be an infinite amount of FBI agents
limber knotBOT
no
quasi valley
I think it goes up the ladder in the FBI itself, until the god of the FBI is looking at the last few high ups
limber knotBOT
but multiple fbi guys can be linked to one person
deep shoal
what repository should I use for LibsDisguises
quasi valley
just ask your FBI guy
limber knotBOT
mds repo
heady spear
If each FBI guy has exactly one person to spy on, and each FBI agent has one agent spying on them
Then we get an infinite amount of them, which doesn’t feel nice
Imagine the taxes needed to pay them
heady spear
If everyone is an FBI agent it works, yeah
It’s like the human centipede, but with spies
quasi valley
They must be very lonely, always being with you but never being able to have direct contact
heady spear
Although if there’s at least one guy that doesn’t have an FBI agent spying on them, then it doesn’t have to be infinite
quasi valley
from now on you'll have to say "hello" and "goodbye" everytime you start/shutdown your computer
heady spear
@quasi valley imagine being God then
quasi valley
He's having the time of his life watching us burn
heady spear
Time does not apply to God
Except for when he created time, apparently
Because that took some time
Either way, my iPad autocorrect God to a god
quasi valley
Also, a few days passed before he created the sun 👀
deep shoal
what does a * next to the plugin version mean
[OldCombatMechanics] Enabling OldCombatMechanics v1.6.6*
heady spear
Nossr is a poo poo face 💩
heady spear
Doesn’t that just mean it doesn’t have 1.13 as it’s native version?
limber knotBOT
yes
heady spear
That doesn’t mean it doesn’t fully support 1.13, does it?
Just that it wasn’t written for 1.13
limber knotBOT
it does mean that it wasn't compiled against api version 1.13
deep shoal
how can that be possible
heady spear
Magic
deep shoal
I literally just compiled mine depending on paper 1.13
quasi valley
put api-version: 1.13 into your plugin.yml
deep shoal
oh okay
heady spear
Slap that bad boi in there
quasi valley
this gets rid of the legacy conversion methods
heady spear
Magic
deep shoal
what are some examples
heady spear
Material names 💔
deep shoal
is api-version: 1.13 a key only for paper
heady spear
No
deep shoal
or is this supported by all bukkit
i want to support old clients on my 1.13 server
can I give them items using api-version: 1.13
I guess yes
I wonder what that even changes
why would you not use that key
quasi valley
if you have your plugin written for 1.12 or lower with Material names that don't exist/are different in 1.13
and don't care enough to properly update it (or if it just isn't made for 1.13)
deep shoal
"All Materials have been renamed to match the names used in Vanilla"
this is really nice
quasi valley
oh on that topic, as I haven't really looked into the 1.13 material api, how do I check for a certain block type, let's say wool (= check if I have a woolblock)?
finite wave
?
deep shoal
is there a better plugin than oldcombatmechanics, apparently it doesn't use 1.13 api
quasi valley
waow, okay 😂
finite wave
@deep shoal Does it matter?
heady spear
Hint: it doesn’t
finite wave
If it works it works
quasi valley
also, their dev builds do have the tag https://github.com/gvlfm78/BukkitOldCombatMechanics
heady spear
If it doesn’t it’s unemployed and a burden to society
deep shoal
is there spawn block protection
heady spear
Well, given that it’s a part of the labour force
You are only unemployed if you’re willing and able to work
stiff yarrow
@heady spear I don't see wool in Bukkits BlockData API but perhaps Paper has expanded on it
heady spear
Isn’t there materialdata too?
heady spear
I don’t do the remember, been quite long since I worked with that shit
stiff yarrow
Bukkit API is a messy mess so I don't blame you
heady spear
Oh, tags.
deep shoal
spawn-protection=16 does this mean I can't break blocks at spawn?
heady spear
Then it protects the blocks in the imaginary plane
deep shoal
apparently setting it to 0 "disables" it according to the wiki, but the "single block at spawn is still protected"
quasi valley
just use 0
deep shoal
yeah but I want all blocks breakable
heady spear
Or well, complex plane. But off the real axis
deep shoal
1.13 sucks ass
heady spear
So it protects all blocks that exist in a fourth imaginary dimension
deep shoal
@quasi valley "0 will protect the single block at the spawn point."
heady spear
That makes sense tho
deep shoal
I want it to protect nothing
quasi valley
Does this one block really matter
deep shoal
yeah
finite wave
Just set the spawn radius to -99999
heady spear
It needs to be there for the players to safely spawn
finite wave
Jk
deep shoal
does f3+g not exist in 1.8 .—.
idc if players do the fall
that's intended behaviour
heady spear
Fun fact, Jan rhymes with flygplan
deep shoal
I just dug through the map at 0,0
I am not op
but maybe 0,0 is not the protected block
heady spear
Is your spawn 0,0 then?
heady spear
Die
quasi valley
I'd have said "kill yourself" but that certainly sound better
heady spear
Yes it does.
deep shoal
I typed kill Sup and pressed tab and it didn't complete my name
deep shoal
iTerm2
but it worked in 1.8 and 1.12
I spawned on -4, 4 and I could break the block under me
I used /kill again and spawned at -10 3
how am I meant to find out the world spawn from this info
heady spear
It randomises
native thunder
You need to set the spawn radius to 0 first
Otherwise you spawn in a 16 block radius of spawn iirc
heady spear
Do what tofu face said
deep shoal
i will just open leve.dat in NBTExplorer
heady spear
Otherwise you just reverse engineer the randomiser
native thunder
Or do that
deep shoal
-6, 47, -4
finite wave
@quasi valley it’s phonetic danish Jan
deep shoal
I can break the block under my feet here
I guess that means spawn-protection: -1
fixes it?
quasi valley
ah
deep shoal
tab complete really doesn't work in the terminal
only 1.13
it worked in 1.12.2 and 1.8.8
finite wave
Use a proper terminal
deep shoal
recommend me one
I expect it should work though
since it worked before and this is a v popular terminal
stiff yarrow
heady spear
glossy crater
Is anyone familiar with world limiting ?
I have a custom map which has certain block length X and Z but after the points, normal world starts generating
Is there anyway to stop it or have an empty map after the points ?
heady spear
World border
glossy crater
Hmm then I need to find the radius for it
glossy crater
There is one corner but will world border delete what's after that limit ?
Ok, did some research
And actually it generates 1 chunk after the border
That's totally fine
Thanks @heady spear
deep shoal
how does the server call events
when you register a Listener
how does it scan the class for @EventHandler
and associate methods with events
unreal quarry
Magic
deep shoal
every time an event fires
does it use reflection
or does it only use reflection once (when the listener is registered) and it has some way of remembering what methods to call when an event fires
finite wave
HandlerLists
unreal quarry
You know, you can check the source. CraftBukkit is open source
gleaming rivet
any idea what to do about this?
https://hastebin.com/zunawohiba.makefile
Its really wierd, only happens once a week and the system has a total of 8gb so it should be fine?
gloomy sphinx
why would they remove the camera icon..
glossy crater
@gleaming rivet do you use any plugins like Random Teleport ?
gleaming rivet
Well not a plugin but yes.
glossy crater
Disable those in world_nether and world_the_end
gleaming rivet
but i don't see how this is causing it?
its not when its used it happens, its when the server restarts
and needs to start up again
And it is already disabled in world_nether and world_the_end
glossy crater
Have you tried to delay your start script after the restart inits ?
glossy crater
2m is too much
gleaming rivet
the server never started.
if i send my start.sh to you, would you be able to incoporate the pause into the script for me?
gleaming rivet
well
glossy crater
seconds is the default
gleaming rivet
yes but last i used it, it didn't work
glossy crater
Use sleep instead
glossy crater
Place it at very top
gleaming rivet
i did so aswell
glossy crater
Send me your .sh
gleaming rivet
glossy crater
Instead of detaching and creating another session, try to reattach to the same session ID
screen -d -r <id> | " "
I assume you have only one session under "maelk"
glossy crater
You have a session that's running under maelk right ?
gleaming rivet
yes
glossy crater
-dmS detaches from that session
gleaming rivet
yea like it should?
glossy crater
Then attempts to create same session
glossy crater
No
gleaming rivet
is that what you are saying?
stiff yarrow
@gleaming rivet does your discord avatar originate from somewhere, can't help but get a weird vibe from it
glossy crater
Yeah I get the same
glossy crater
Kill all your sessions
And use screen -d -r "maelk"
sleep 10
screen -d -r "maelk"
java ...
okay so can you explain what this does?
gleaming rivet
xD
glossy crater
Yeah remove it
Looks like some weird cop who's been integrated in a UI Avatar game
stiff yarrow
get a blue blob man avatar like a normal human being
gleaming rivet
xD
stiff yarrow
gleaming rivet
@glossy crater so i would still be able to access the "server session" via "screen -r"
right?
glossy crater
Sure
There will be just one session not duplicates
And you'ld be able to reattach to it just normally
gleaming rivet
ah but you said its killing the sessions?
glossy crater
Oh well run a screen -list and send a ss
gleaming rivet
wat
theres two sessions o.o
i did not create that other one
and it usually not there
so like this?
or on same line?
glossy crater
Yes like that
But it's weird hmm
Oh you had a $STY attribute in the flag
Didn't see that
glossy crater
The -m
gleaming rivet
and that does?
glossy crater
Well basically lets you start a new session within another session
gleaming rivet
soo basically not important?
glossy crater
If the flags I gave you don't work or it can't resume to the session within the session it is
It is
But try that first
gleaming rivet
okay
limber knotBOT
AmdS best screen options
glossy crater
If not use -Dmr
gleaming rivet
what does AmdS do?
stiff yarrow
@gleaming rivet I have made you a new Discord avatar that is less creepy
gleaming rivet
hahah xD
if you want to, can you make me one like yours?
@vernal moth what does AmdS do?
stiff yarrow
I had this one made by a friend who told me they were drunk when they made it, then I had another friend add a body to it
limber knotBOT
A adapts to window sizes, dmS uses deamon mode (with a name)
gleaming rivet
i use dmS atm
stiff yarrow
original
limber knotBOT
so screen -AmdS MinecraftServer java -jar paperclip.jar
I add a because I like resizing my terminals, lol
gleaming rivet
but how does this change a problem with ram?
native thunder
It also opens it detached iirc
stiff yarrow
stop using all the RAM
limber knotBOT
thats what d does, yes
stiff yarrow
how much RAM do you have on that system VS how much you are trying to allocate
gleaming rivet
have 8, using 7
stiff yarrow
well it might be okay
glossy crater
I guess it's an VPS
stiff yarrow
a really shitty outdated dedi?
native thunder
Is minecraft the only thing you're running?
stiff yarrow
kimsufi has 20 dollar dedis with more RAM
gleaming rivet
well with shitty cpus 😃
native thunder
You're paying for cpu not ram
gleaming rivet
i basically have this CPU for myself
glossy crater
OVH has good cpus
gleaming rivet
yeah OVH has good prices too
kappa
i'm not paying anything
so i don't complain
native thunder
Kim is a ovh subsidiary
stiff yarrow
any sentence that starts with i basically have this CPU for myself is a lie
gleaming rivet
Its not?
gleaming rivet
i can visit where the "Server" is.
native thunder
He said he's on a dedi
native thunder
Wait you just said nothing else was running
stiff yarrow
so you colocated a machine with 8GB of RAM?
gleaming rivet
Not on MY VM
stiff yarrow
native thunder
Oh you're in a vm
glossy crater
kek
gleaming rivet
The "SYSTEM" has 16gb total, MY vm has 8gb
jesus
so much for asking for help >.>
gleaming rivet
What didn't i say?
glossy crater
Use the flags I gave you for instance
You can also browse the documentation for screen here
gleaming rivet
waiting for MySQL to "cooldown" atm, its holding the vm back for restarting
so yes i will be trying what you said
gleaming rivet
how much does MySQL use?
finite wave
Depends
gleaming rivet
i have CoreProtect and a economy plugin using it only
finite wave
You shouldn’t worry
stiff yarrow
@gleaming rivet keep in mind because you're in a VM your CPU resources are being split, so its not like you have the full power of that CPU, CPUs have limited memory on the chip that is likely getting split as well, not to mention other bottlenecks from sharing a system, there are a lot of hidden costs to VMs
finite wave
^ One vm for databases
limber knotBOT
thats not necessarily true
finite wave
Docker cocks
limber knotBOT
I have virtual machines with dedicated cpu cores
finite wave
Dock our cocks
limber knotBOT
where they are directly "mounted" into the vps
and yes, fuck VMs, docker all da things
stiff yarrow
interesting
gleaming rivet
pretty confusing when 10 people say different things 
stiff yarrow
and how is the cache for the CPU handled in that VM setup mini
limber knotBOT
doesn't every core have his own cache anyways?
limber knotBOT
speaking about intel here
acoustic pilot
re: MySQL, the amount of RAM it uses should be the size of the whole database, if you wanted. The ideal amount of RAM to give MySQL is enough to store the entire database in memory, this is why dedicated MySQL machines have lots of RAM (64GB to 256GB)
stiff yarrow
L1 and L3 are usually shared IIRC
gleaming rivet
@acoustic pilot well CoreProtect stores alot, so i would need the amount of ram it takes in space?
stiff yarrow
I'm not aware of any CPU that has completely independent cache per core
acoustic pilot
Logging plugins like that are going to make your database situation unmanageable, you should be purging old data.
gleaming rivet
eyyy wupti dooo @glossy crater it didn't work.
stiff yarrow
yeah I've heard CoreProtect is a huge DB bloater
finite wave
Coreprotect stores uuid for every block i think. Etc.
acoustic pilot
The correct way to do that would be to have a users or players table where you map their UUID to a space-efficient ID like an int.
And then use the int
e.g. what mcMMO does.
worldly condor
btw nossr https://github.com/mcMMO-Dev/mcMMO thats big mistake
finite wave
@acoustic pilot Yeah, storing less than more. I’ll chekc the code
worldly condor
i can clone it and build it myself and you got nothing
void void
pterodactyl panel use docker
void void
open source plugin
stiff yarrow
Open source = 
worldly condor
open source premium plugin
void void
and paid on spigotmc
worldly condor
thats very very very big mistake
stiff yarrow
closed source = 🤢
worldly condor
MrIvanPlaysToday at 15:14
i can clone it and build it myself and you got nothing
stiff yarrow
and? why do I care
stiff yarrow
if I cared I wouldn't be posting my own plugin to leak sites 
void void
jenkins
stiff yarrow
@void void I'm not sure what the question is
void void
stiff yarrow
you know we link to jenkins on my discord
worldly condor
stiff yarrow
damn Ivan you're a real open source software pirate
finite wave
Wtf
quasi valley
Ivan we are very proud of your knowledge
finite wave
@stiff yarrow look at that
pulsar wigeon
it's only 2500 lines what's the problem
void void
stiff yarrow
couldn't you just link to their source code page
void void
rip
worldly condor
mcmmo without dependencies is 1,2 MB ?! 
finite wave
Had to decompile it
stiff yarrow
https://ci.ecocitycraft.com/job/McMMO/ this jenkins is hosted by a friend and does what its supposed to so you can just use this one instead
@worldly condor we have some thicc amount of code in our codebase
worldly condor
😮
stiff yarrow
well there is definitely some inefficiences here with the SQL queries @finite wave
finite wave
Looks awful
finite wave
Ein spaghet
stiff yarrow
but this is decompiled so idk how much to attribute to the author
native thunder
You really plastered that ORIGINAL CREATOR thing everywhere huh?
finite wave
We in Jython boii
gleaming rivet
is there a simple command for showing how much a MySQL Db takes up in MB?
all i've found on google is some retarded long commands
stiff yarrow
on disk or in memory
gleaming rivet
disk
finite wave
Lol
gleaming rivet
lol what?
stiff yarrow
if you have phpmyadmin installed you can go view it pretty easily, on google they suggest using this command in a lot of threads
SELECT table_schema "DB Name",
ROUND(SUM(data_length + index_length) / 1024 / 1024, 1) "DB Size in MB"
FROM information_schema.tables
GROUP BY table_schema; ```i only have command line sadly
so what part should i switch out for my own databases?
or does that command there just work out of the box?
stiff yarrow
just DB Name should be enough
gleaming rivet
thank you 😃
void void
@worldly condor where are your brains lmao
mcmmo is up @ spigotmc so people could donate easily
limber knotBOT
god, what's with the small resolution? is that a laptop? xD
finite wave
I’d recommend not using windows on old laptops
limber knotBOT
It's only an 11 year old CPU
void void
Lenovo ThinkPad T400
worldly condor
ewwwww
limber knotBOT
I mean it's better than the CPU in my T61 xD
but that only runs XP (and ubuntu)
Used to have a T61, it ran windows 10 okayish, not the best
only have windows on there for a couple of games anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯ don't always want to take my full PC with me when ym friends decide to do a retro lan party xD
and it runs HL2:DM okay-ish ¯_(ツ)_/¯
worldly condor
Lenovo = Poopnovo
void void
it run 70+ fps(MC) and run paladins too
limber knotBOT
yeah, that's why I don't buy newer ones
void void
check edit
limber knotBOT
I'll probably get one of the last IBM Thinkpads soon, the T61 has it's phases where it's too slow for my liking :S
stiff yarrow
is RO a country
void void
hey you guys wanna see something funny
anyway after i blew up at that bitch she paid me $350 and im ok, i finish my shit now she can go finish her shit.
what message do i just get this morning?
finite wave
Lol
void void
- I leave in THREE days
- she wants that extra for free
LMFAO.
no fuck you bitch
im out
stiff yarrow
is that the client or your real fake partner
acoustic pilot
Tell her you'll do it for double pay :>
stiff yarrow
she paid you 350? this is sketch af
void void
byte, you missed it; but this bitch very nearly did not pay me
stiff yarrow
I wouldn't be surprised if she backcharged you
void void
f&f?
acoustic pilot
F&F should be safe
void void
she's using my server as the dev environment; so she does that guess what
she loses the API too
and her frontend work
acoustic pilot
I think though if it was backed by credit card, it can still be charged back.
void void
"oops"
stiff yarrow
at that point isn't it paypal getting the chargeback
acoustic pilot
But normal disputes don't work with F&F, only unauthorized
void void
so her server's donos aren't actually accessible by her
she contacts someone who manages the donos lol
and he sends it
acoustic pilot
If the F&F payment came directly out of her PayPal balance, it's probably safe.
acoustic pilot
Then you should be good
acoustic pilot
Good idea lol
void void
Anyway, my ex-boss wants to go to lunch with me
because I left stuff in the office apparently
rip
i dont wanna do that
acoustic pilot
Probably some exploitative underlying motive
void void
most likely
stiff yarrow
would not go
void void
well, I gotta get my shit. Her personally I don't have a problem with; so I don't want to be rude. :\ but
yeah
stiff yarrow
so many questions
acoustic pilot
Don't wanna burn any bridges that could cost you a job reference, if possible 😛
void void
@stiff yarrow more info I recently learned
yeah, I need to do more research
before i say yes to working with people lol
be my freelance senpai daddy
that's true Byte
stiff yarrow
well you made some mistakes and you can learn from it
just don't do weird jobs in the future
finite wave
Nubs just hack banks
limber knotBOT
kek
gc's on fire at work
thats dev
thats prod 😂
time to switch to g1gc, lol
void void
wide chasm
deep shoal
I found it
stiff yarrow
deep shoal
tyvm
void void
wat he doing
stiff yarrow
he was just curious about how the annotations worked
void void
oh ok
stiff yarrow
they are basically just method parameters in disguise tho lets be real
void void
sometimes yeah lol
void void
i just randomly remembered one of my commits on github was "implement md5s idea which pissed me off"
it had to do with events
i dont know why i just remembered that shit
oh shit I rebased that, nevermind one of my commits was not that
™
void void
deep shoal
what order do event handlers with the same priority run in
what's the difference:
@stiff yarrow what's a method parameter
plugin.getServer().getPluginManager().registerEvent(event, listener, EventPriority.NORMAL, one, plugin);
plugin.getServer().getPluginManager().registerEvent(event, listener, EventPriority.NORMAL, two, plugin);
plugin.getServer().getPluginManager().registerEvent(event, listener, EventPriority.NORMAL, three, plugin);
if I do this
which event executor will run first
when event is fired
finite wave
Whatever the HanderList decided is first.
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal methods are functions that are members of a class
parameters is the name for arguments sometimes required by said function in their signature
deep shoal
why did you say the @EventHandler annotation was a parameter in disguise
void void
me: why the fuck is my volume so low spends like 30 minutes looking at software all at max vol
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal which thing fires first depends on implementation, in this case its probably "random" for all intents and purposes as I doubt they are stored in a linked list
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal it basically is
in a way it helps simplify the API, so it has some purpose
but its doing exactly what additional parameters would do
deep shoal
what would the extra parameter even be
stiff yarrow
the things defined in the handler
void void
i mean meh you could just read all the methods in the class reflectively, no annotations, and just check if the method params has a class that extends event
vestal jasper
I have awoken
void void
pre sure it does that ANYWAY,
pulsar wigeon
go back to sleep
vestal jasper
Apparently one of the plugins I use tries to update check on the main thread and has triggered watchdog twice because of it
deep shoal
@stiff yarrow move(PlayerMoveEvent event, EventHandler handler) {
handler.setPriority(EventPriority.HIGH);
}
what like this
deep shoal
that seems rarted to me
void void
no tuna lol
vestal jasper
Yeah I'm about to bitch to the plugin author
void void
well
yes, but
the annotation does dat, das why annotation
it gives the priority and cancellation ignore sentinel
deep shoal
but this is what nossr was saying the annotation is
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal sort of, Bukkit also uses it to figure out which methods to execute for events
vestal jasper
if (getConfig().getString("check-for-updates", "true").equalsIgnoreCase("true")) {
Bukkit.getScheduler().scheduleSyncRepeatingTask(this, new Runnable() {
public void run() {
updateChecker.checkForUpdate();
}
}, 0L, updateCheckInterval * 20);
} else if (getConfig().getString("check-for-updates", "true").equalsIgnoreCase("on-startup")) {
updateChecker.checkForUpdate();
}```???????????????????
deep shoal
they can check that by checking first argument is ? extends Event too
void void
the annotation COULD be used to declare the event you're listening for; but then you don't have the object available for use
vestal jasper
I'm disabling the update checker for this plugin entirely
void void
yeah that's pretty stupid vic
stiff yarrow
@deep shoal yes it could work like that too
the annotation is there to simplify the API
pulsar wigeon
void void
yes
stiff yarrow
its mandatory for this
void void
that's how bukkit is designed
pulsar wigeon
nice plugin you found vicarious
deep shoal
is using annotations okay
void void
yes sure
stiff yarrow
annotations can be useful, they help simplify things
void void
it's part of java just as much as anything else
stiff yarrow
especially in conjunction with reflection
void void
They mainly represent compile time constants though, although as aikar can attest this can be played with lmao
void void
i think hes agreeing with you