Ctrl-Alt-L in IJ
#general
fringe quartz
quasi valley
^
fringe quartz
I use that almost obsessively
finite wave
Good
granite salmon
i hate when people put spaces in brackets like that
fringe quartz
That's because you shouldn't ever do that
acoustic pilot
md_5's code style is like going full retard, and you never go full retard.
golden gust
I hate the bracing style the most
quasi valley
only if you are md :p
golden gust
And the spaces is just pedantically annoying to the point that I kinda don't care about people skipping that one
worldly condor
Utils.getUser( DiscordServer.getServer( "PaperMC", true ), "SamB440" ).cringe( bracketSpaces() );
google style vs ide default style tell me
surreal moth
Ctrl-R
and input
replacement:\( (.*) \)
to:($1)
(enable regexp)
done and ur free from shitting man style
ahno
surreal moth
plz tell me
worldly condor
Byteflux google style vs ide default style
quasi valley
surreal moth
lol
worldly condor
google style for me is ew
quasi valley
the one thing I really dislike is only having 2 spaces for block indentation
worldly condor
the one thing I really dislike is the line breaks in google style
quasi valley
never really looked at it that much, but most of it seams reasonable when dealing with code hundreds of people should later edit
yeah that seems odd, too
pulsar wigeon
what's wrong with line breaks
worldly condor
wait
plugin. getServer(). getScheduler(). runTaskTimer( plugin, () -> { // something });
finite wave
No
quasi valley
?
finite wave
Leave
pulsar wigeon
ok having override on the same line as the method is weird
ivan use triple ` for codeblocks
jesus
worldly condor
thats how google formatting did a 2 line lambda into 10
pulsar wigeon
also i can't see where they say to do that?
quasi valley
breaks should come before the symbol, so that's just as anyone would do it normally
not after
also, they say the 4 whitespaces are only added to the original first line's amount
golden gust
More than likely they mean to keep those other method calls in line with the higher one ^^
plugin
.getServer()
.getX...
each line after the first (each continuation line) is indented at least +4 from the original line.
quasi valley
yep
worldly condor
its kashike's code style boii
pulsar wigeon
looks like mrivan just sucks at reading
acoustic pilot
You should always assume Ivan doesn't know what he's talking about, anything he says is usually wrong. 😃
worldly condor
Byteflux no seriously
i had an update checker
and did a google format on it
and literally 5 line lambda
did it 10+
quasi valley
eitherway what you sent above above is most certainly not what they want you to do 
worldly condor
sori mi bed on inglish
pulsar wigeon
like
golden gust
Yes, because automated tooling deals with all formatting cases well...
pulsar wigeon
whatever you did clearly isn't following the google style guide
fringe quartz
I just do whatever the specific JetBrains IDE tells me to
I do this in Rider, IJ, PyCharm
golden gust
I honestly just prefer IDEAs default set of styling
golden gust
Pretty close to googles, just... not as weird in some cases
fringe quartz
why is that dumb?
golden gust
yea, I disable stuff like that
pulsar wigeon
replacing imports with * is bad
golden gust
.g wildcard imports are evil
fringe quartz
y tho
limber knotBOT
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fringe quartz
reads
pulsar wigeon
^^
golden gust
oh, wrong terms, http://www.javadude.com/articles/importondemandisevil.html is the generally referred to article, but that covers it
fringe quartz
I can understand that, but then I'm the only one in my codebase
worldly condor
static imports ewww
fringe quartz
makes my code a lot more readable tbh
pulsar wigeon
static imports are useful for a few select static methods
quasi valley
Then you're using too many static methods :p
pulsar wigeon
things like checkNotNull
vestal laurel
pulsar wigeon
if you're using them all over, you're overusing statics for sure
fringe quartz
They're all usually helper methods
worldly condor
ok i will use kashike one
fringe quartz
string formats, etc
limber knotBOT
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vestal laurel
anyone know how to add paper to multicraft? (where i can add to the config to download the latest version)
golden gust
surreal moth
avoid to write Preconditions.checkNotNull(value, "Can't deflate null!")
worldly condor
@surreal moth why
vestal laurel
thanks @golden gust
surreal moth
yes
slim nymph
how about FatYoshi
slim nymph
ぴ！Today at 12:52 PM
avoid to write Preconditions.checkNotNull(value, "Can't deflate null!")
what was point of that statement
golden gust
ivan said static imports are ew, yoshi said that they're nice to they can avoid writing the whole of that
surreal moth
i meant "to use static import is useful to avoid to write Preconditions each either null or not"
type 11key * number of usage versus static import
golden gust
I just use my IDE
pulsar wigeon
or use autocomplete
surreal moth
english is difficult for me
golden gust
I tend to avoid static imports, tbh
quasi valley
For personal use it's fine, but when it comes to other people working on the same project they might or might not be confused when looking at those lines of code for the first time
well at least if it's not a common method like the Preconditions methods
surreal moth
...btw why not Objects.requireNonNull()
golden gust
It doesn't really offer any real pros to statically import it
surreal moth
i didnt get it
golden gust
Preconditions is basically just the defacto version that's just still in use
Objects was only added in java 1.7
pulsar wigeon
also preconditions has things like checkargs etc
not just checknotnull
but yea guava 10/java 6 was the bukkit environment back in the day
Objects didn't exist
surreal moth
shit newface objects
its still useless method groupin
worldly condor
someone explain me whats the magic behind multi module projects
pulsar wigeon
groovy
worldly condor
my big blin called announcementseverywhere may need multi module creation
i need 3 pictures to show how big the project root it is
pulsar wigeon
speaks more about your design choices than your needs for multiple modules
worldly condor
this project was created on... lemme check the 1st release date at spigot
6th of August, 2018
then i created it as a small plugin
now its total big blin with a bunch of features
golden gust
it's pretty much 100% down to designing your plugin in a way that it can be segregated into modules
pulsar wigeon
tbh unless you have separate dependency needs (bukkit and forge modules, for example), multimodule projects probably aren't what you need
pulsar wigeon
tbh idk what blin even is
worldly condor
pancake in russian transcripted in latin
i use it for big projects and such things that are big
but im bulgarian, dont think me russian
this proves it
pulsar wigeon
i mean that proves nothing for starters
worldly condor
i mean it proves that im Bulgarian
pulsar wigeon
but idk why you'd expect us to understand your usage of a foreign word for pancake, never mind its meaning as "something big"
no it doesn't
worldly condor
show my passport then ?
pulsar wigeon
i don't want it?
worldly condor
i am bulgarian, and i can prove it
pulsar wigeon
i'm not questioning that you're bulgarian
i'm just saying your PR doesn't prove anything about your ethnicity
not that it's even relevant
worldly condor
it adds bulgarian language
worldly condor
wat
quasi valley
I can speak French, but am I French?
pulsar wigeon
and i've taken like 4 different languages in the past 6 years
what does that make me?
worldly condor
i can speak english, but am I from england ?
pulsar wigeon
i mean with your english, you might be
i heard of lot of people in england aren't native speakers of english these days
LUL
worldly condor
in england there are 200k+ bulgarians because of the big exchange of the pound to bgn
1 pound -> 2.28 BGN
worldly condor
back on the theme
how is the best way to create that multi moduled ?
copy pasta /
pulsar wigeon
once again, my suggestions is not to split a project into modules unless there's an explicit need
quasi valley
there's no need for multiple modules unless you depend on different depends (as wiz said), have an api module or parts that work on different platforms
pulsar wigeon
but i'm guessing you just want to do it anyway for the fun of it?
pulsar wigeon
so what?
worldly condor
maybe better to create it multi moduled, /shrug
pulsar wigeon
that's the entire fucking point of packages
quasi valley
if I expand, those will be in 20 pictures, still, one module https://kennytv.eu/files/p3wv4.png
pulsar wigeon
no
but i've been contributing to them since almost the beginning
pretty much the de facto maintainer
since sk hasn't done any MC stuff in years
worldly condor
if u can, can u do RegionEnterEvent and RegionLeaveEvent inside worldguard
worldly condor
^-^
orchid pelican
My plugin has that many packages in one module
worldly condor
thats only 2 events, 2 classes, 2 calls
pulsar wigeon
it's also retarded
don't tell me how to write my plugins
if you don't even know how to write yours
worldly condor
or u dat lazy dat u dont wanna check this shit
pulsar wigeon
or you're lazy and don't want to use the proper api?
orchid pelican
Calm down folks
pulsar wigeon
i mean it's all explained in the docs
you can fuck off too chasewhip, you're not my mother
orchid pelican
Stop being such a dick m8
pulsar wigeon
stop backseat modding m8
quasi valley
gets popcorn
pulsar wigeon
share
worn ember
gets porn wait wrong stash
pulsar wigeon
:^)
orchid pelican
Someone is having a bad Monday
worn ember
lmao
quasi valley
its tuesday
gloomy warren
Monday?
quasi valley
😂
orchid pelican
Tuesday lol
worldly condor
Stop it, get some help
surreal moth
cough
pulsar wigeon
i'm glad my officemate is on vacation this week
worn ember
1st of april was yesterday, ktnx
upper flicker
Oh yeah we’re still selling dunder mifflin by the box
pulsar wigeon
overstocked for april fool's
got any graph paper there? i know someone who was looking...
upper flicker
No no graph paper
void void
wide chasm
Not necessarily. They said they were mainly focusing on bug fixes to make 1.14 release ready.
So I'd imagine it'd be soon.
quasi valley
The client performance is so much better than 1.13's, though I the server I played on with a snapshot with a handful of others crashed regularly
coarse urchin
Probably its optifine, but... 1.14 snapshots are hell for me
I think even 1.13 without optifine was faster than 1.14 snapshots tbh
quasi valley
Oh well, for me the snapshots are even better than 1.13 with OF
merry talon
why the hell is google killing successful products
I didn't even know they killed chromecast audio
and people loved inbox
upper flicker
I think everyone knew inbox was never going to stick around, but they were led to believe the features would go into gmail
merry talon
well yeah
upper flicker
gmail is kind of a giant mess anyway
So maybe they even tried then went nah
They definitely have that pattern going on though
limber knotBOT
I mean google works in a "whoever comes up with a cool idea gets promoted" kinda way internally so that makes sense xD
cosmic raft
I've seen two or three out of the many of people I know that actually used Inbox
merry talon
I don't know anyone but I've seen people rave about it on reddit
upper flicker
Yeah their employees have long since said that maintaining and fixing doesn’t get you promoted
limber knotBOT
I've had proper filters setup for ages now, never saw tha appeal ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pulsar wigeon
what is inbox exactly?
cosmic raft
yup. filters in gmail are great
acoustic pilot
Why would they kill Google Fi lol
cosmic raft
acoustic pilot
Shit is awesome
cosmic raft
It's live still, you can see @pulsar wigeon
merry talon
but it's a ton of effort
pulsar wigeon
that redirects me to gmail
cosmic raft
It does? Huh
acoustic pilot
Google Fi seems to be doing well
slim nymph
what? something saying Fi is dead?
limber knotBOT
acoustic pilot
No, Fiber was virtually an unmaintainable infrastructure project
Fi runs off of third party infrastructure
They are completely different.
acoustic pilot
Saying Google FI would shutdown because Fiber is going downhill is not an explanation for why Fi would be shut down.
pulsar wigeon
oh
acoustic pilot
Make a better argument.
pulsar wigeon
at one point my gmail had those folders like social/updates/promos
merry talon
lol
upper flicker
That’s a nice ask toolbar you’ve got there
pulsar wigeon
no clue what they were for but i think i hid them
merry talon
I didn't say it would get shutdown
limber knotBOT
they still have that, but they aren#t customizable
merry talon
but it seems like exactly something they would shut down
I don't work at google
jesus christ
acoustic pilot
Why? Fi is good, and it costs them next to nothing.
slim nymph
wiz its to let you segment email so you filter to only important stuff in primary
acoustic pilot
Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile does all the heavy lifting for Fi.
upper flicker
I mean, inbox cost them a lot less than fi does
pulsar wigeon
oh yea i disabled them
upper flicker
That’s also a bad argument
pulsar wigeon
i use custom filters for everything anyway
slim nymph
promotions gets the marketing emails out of primary
limber knotBOT
@pulsar wigeon you can just switch the classic view ¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim nymph
i def enjoy the categories
upper flicker
That being said, google could pretty much kill whatever however and expecting any less is naive at best
acoustic pilot
They could, so could any business, but that's really beside the point. Not seeing any solid argument for why
hot hound
Aikar did you ever right any hologram apis?
upper flicker
They don’t need a solid argument for why
acoustic pilot
Obviously these things precede a cost-benefit analysis.
merry talon
^
upper flicker
They don’t always have a solid argument for why
Christ, hell fi would be easy to kill, most of it could be ported to voice
acoustic pilot
If something is unprofitable or unmaintainable, sure.
merry talon
The discussion was about them shutting things down willy nilly, not to provide a valid reason to shut down Fi
acoustic pilot
Fi is not really one of those things from where I'm standing.
upper flicker
No one asked where you were standing
Google doesn’t always look for explicit reasons like that was the point
pulsar wigeon
maintaining things is harder than killing things
upper flicker
Your flip out over fi is still random
acoustic pilot
I can see a clear reason why Fiber would be killed.
merry talon
especially if you have to maintain the relationship with all those third party providers
who are flaky at best
acoustic pilot
Fiber is pitched as an affordable (often free) fiber internet with the infrastructure being almost entirely owned by Google. Laying down fiber is expensive as fuck.
Cost-benefit dictates it's not worth it
violet kindle
upper flicker
Thats the only actual argument I can see for them getting rid of fi, is if the carrier agreements were limiting or they wanted out
that being said, google doesnt always look for obvious reasons
they could very well introduce some new thing and just slowly kill it in favor of that
thats one of their favorite things to do
stray tusk
merry talon
the SMS and voice part of a phone plan they already have many competing products for
upper flicker
SMS and voice would be easy to migrate
acoustic pilot
If anything, I would see the threat to Fi as coming from a third party and not necessarily Google.
merry talon
They might just end up selling data only
upper flicker
I dont remember if its actually going through google voice
but if not it'd be easy to migrate it there
slim nymph
theres already 3rd parties doing the same thing as fi
and actually even cheapeer
just noones heard of them
merry talon
ting is a good example
acoustic pilot
As a carrier plan that offers the coverage of 3 major networks, it's a really attractive consumer choice.
slim nymph
thats why I use it 😛
upper flicker
I have met one other person who uses fi in the real world
and they're leaving because the coverage sucks lol
merry talon
Coverage is really still a problem?
upper flicker
but its wireless networks so ymmv with location
acoustic pilot
The coverage really doesn't get better than Fi lol
upper flicker
lol
slim nymph
youd have to live in an area thats GSM only
upper flicker
thats a stupid blanket statement to make
acoustic pilot
AT&T even loses out on coverage to Verizon
turbid moat
new server icon is better, change my mind
merry talon
in canada no one has been concerned about coverage for years
acoustic pilot
The combined Sprint+Verizon+T-Mobile coverage shits all over AT&T.
So not a far fetched blanket statement.
upper flicker
its still a stupid one
I think verizon is also screwing them a bit
I get much better coverage here than he does and Im on verizon
upper flicker
so either Fi isnt switching properly or verizon isnt giving them good enough access
ofc they do, they have some of the better coverage and networks
if sprint or tmobile ever get there so will they
stiff yarrow
about that dead google project page
upper flicker
business gonna business
merry talon
I didn't like it before but trying it now it seems nicer than actual gmail
cosmic raft
I tried Inbox, I prefer Gmail
upper flicker
its focused on a different workflow than gmail
so if you like/can adapt to that workflow its probably gonna be better for you
if you cant, youre not going to like it
stiff yarrow
it'd be neat if inbox by google was just a viewing mode for gmail
upper flicker
its very spartan if you arent in that workflow
merry talon
exactly, they could just throw it in the settings
merry talon
it's like google can't decide whether or not they want options
they have 50 messaging platforms
upper flicker
Google isnt deciding anything
upper flicker
they're still setup like they were when they were smaller
cosmic raft
apparently as of 2015, Google's codebase was 2 billion lines of code that stretch across 1 billion files and require 86 terabytes of storage
upper flicker
individual teams doing lots of new projects with little communication
stiff yarrow
@cosmic raft 
upper flicker
features overlap and no one cares
void void
google - the king of inconsistency
upper flicker
eventually some team wants to keep moving on and google brass has to decide if they wanna move someone else to maintain it
void void
and zero communication
upper flicker
and usually thats a no lol
stiff yarrow
oh google+ only just now got the axe? I thought they killed that years ago
upper flicker
its been dead for a while basically usage wise
acoustic pilot
Probably takes a while to phase out something as entrenched as Google+
upper flicker
they finally killed it after they lost a bunch of data
acoustic pilot
They really promoted that hard
merry talon
I don't think it was ever alive usage wise
upper flicker
"oh shit we lost people's info, uh uh uh alright just kill it"
merry talon
it was just forced down people's throats
acoustic pilot
Despite their intensive marketing, I doubt it as well.
upper flicker
the archival sites are going at it now before its finally taken offline
upper flicker
tbh Im surprised inbox lasted as long as it did
limber knotBOT
yeah, if they would've made it optional then people would've accepted it more
upper flicker
it was billed as a shot term experimental thing from the get go
limber knotBOT
lots of ingress communities were on g+ for example xD
merry talon
quick, someone copy inbox and make it its own web app
upper flicker
lol
merry talon
then just log in with google
void void
inb4 google just blacklists you
upper flicker
I wonder if any of the google reader clones are any good
merry talon
that has to already have happened
void void
.g google widewine hackernews
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18813851 -- Google's Widevine L3 DRM has been broken | Hacker News: "Jan 3, 2019 ... Do many sites use L3 widevine anymore? I've been running Android with an unlocked bootloader and no verified boot for a while, and..."
Hacker News
upper flicker
thats not news
void void
reminded me this
upper flicker
its more like the media providers blocked him
but google has the keys I guess
the comments on HN are the only sane part of that story
merry talon
inbox has some nice integrations too
upper flicker
tl;dr if the media companies that wanted this garbage DRM allowed google to just hand out the code for their DRM all the time, it would be much less effective so as it turns out if youre just fucking around with electron and no one's ever heard of you, you don't get access
merry talon
I'm not seeing it in gmail
pulsar wigeon
how does video drm work anyway. never bothered into looking into it
what prevents someone from just capturing out video output
void void
nothing
acoustic pilot
Nothing.
merry talon
huh
cosmic raft
shows up when you hover
upper flicker
Some operating systems allow you to implement secure views and enforce them, android and iOS as examples
acoustic pilot
Capturing output is what webrips are
void void
to convert encoded video into human viewable format, wiz
merry talon
upper flicker
but ripping it from your screen is still going to be worse than the source files they distribute
just usually not enough anyone cares
pulsar wigeon
that's the job of the decoder mikro, not the drm
merry talon
it doesn't @cosmic raft
upper flicker
there's also all the broken HDCP devices
acoustic pilot
Webrips still tend to be pretty good enough that yeah, nobody really cares if they really would go that far
merry talon
oh now it does
acoustic pilot
Certainly leagues better than cam lol
void void
alright, i didn't go into details
merry talon
nice
upper flicker
so you could just hdmi out to one of those and record that
limber knotBOT
not if it's encrypted hdmi
void void
s /encoded/encrypted/ on my msg
pulsar wigeon
and yea, android/ios enforcement only works because the hardware itself is pretty closed. i'm sure roots can get around that
cosmic raft
base64-encrypted hdmi!
cosmic raft
:D
void void
ffs
upper flicker
encrypted hdmi relies on both ends
merry talon
oh HDCP was broken a long time ago
void void
i saw one site here what used base64 and rot13
to "encrypt" web requests they do client side
upper flicker
there are plenty of devices that say they support it and lie
merry talon
it's like 64 bit encryption anyways
pulsar wigeon
at some point you have to go from an encrypted data stream to pixels on the screen
upper flicker
I think there's a newer version of hdcp that isnt broken
but there are definitely still hardware devices that lie about it
limber knotBOT
I kinda have a deja vu to the time where pay tv tried to encrypt their stuff and failed...
*when
acoustic pilot
When DRM fails, we all win 😃
limber knotBOT
20 years later the media companies have learned nothing
void void
drm is basically a cat-mouse game
upper flicker
I mean, the RIAA and media companies have basically been their own worst enemy
void void
see games for example
upper flicker
from DRM to suing people randomly
void void
denuvo lul
upper flicker
theyve done more damage to themselves than piracy ever did imo
limber knotBOT
I just don't buy any ubisoft games anymore because of their DRM issues ¯_(ツ)_/¯
acoustic pilot
I used to pirate because it was the easier way to obtain digitized media.
void void
i still pirate - to try out games before actually buying them
acoustic pilot
Looks like these days it's getting even easier to streamline the whole process of torrenting and cataloging directly into your Plex library
limber knotBOT
only really playing multiplayer games makes pirating difficult :S
void void
or movies sometimes, when i can't go to cinema at right time
merry talon
just about the only place where I can see DRM benefiting the companies more than harming them is movies
but the problem is to implement it for that they have to do it the whole way
which then fucks with everything else
limber knotBOT
if they make it stupid easy to get their movies and don't need a subscription or special app to watch it then I will willingly pay for the stuff I watch...
merry talon
they just gotta cut their losses for the greater good
limber knotBOT
put as long as it doesn't work in my kodi on a pi then please fix it xD
upper flicker
you will need 15 subscriptions and 15 apps to buy from the 15 different streaming services
because no one wants to give up any slice of hte pie to netflix or hulu
acoustic pilot
That's always been the worst enemy of media. Difficulty accessing the media on your preferred devices without paying obscene amounts.
Still making the same mistakes they did in the 90s.
limber knotBOT
I mean I would even agree to not use my preferred device if they just gifted me one where things simply worked ¯_(ツ)_/¯
merry talon
This is starting to happen with games too
limber knotBOT
but buying something just to have it not work properly? not going to happen
upper flicker
I mean at least music has moved away from DRM a bit
idk if we'll ever see movies do it
merry talon
won't be an issue when movies are free with paid DLC
limber knotBOT
just got a "Welcome to Inbox by Gmail" mail after visiting the inbox url 🤔
"get the good ending for only 4.99"
acoustic pilot
@merry talon So-called triple-A games not worth more than $20 trying to sell themselves off as $60, with extra DLCs on top of that, also spending a lot of money trying to DRM their shit, and then wonder why people pirate their shit.
merry talon
yeah that's rough for old links
upper flicker
ripperino
limber knotBOT
are they actually deleting old links? or do they just not accept new ones?
goo.gl is going away as well? lol
already has
limber knotBOT
nothign lasts forever :P
merry talon
it was one of the first
acoustic pilot
Forever lasts forever 😃
limber knotBOT
fuck google, seriously
merry talon
and yeah I haven't bought a full priced game in more years than I can remember
can't justify that at all without knowing if I'll enjoy it
acoustic pilot
I haven't dropped $60 on a game in a long time, either
Plenty of good games that cost less than $20 but have weeks of content or replayability
merry talon
it's actually closer to $80 in canada too
upper flicker
youtube, search, and gsuite are probably the only truly safe things
and youtube is still a net loss for them
acoustic pilot
Google Cloud is probably in the truly safe category, too.
upper flicker
yeah cloud, admob (are they still calling it this?)
limber knotBOT
if yt competed with patreon with a built-in version they could rake in tons of money
merry talon
they're making some good progress in competing with AWS
upper flicker
they are trying to do that in a youtube-y way
you can "join" channels now for a monthly fee
limber knotBOT
that's twitch they're copying
upper flicker
they're working it more like a subscription for normal media than patreon
limber knotBOT
well, twitch and cable tv
upper flicker
i dont see them ever going past that for true patreon
limber knotBOT
their loss
limber knotBOT
they don't need to switch
upper flicker
the people on patreon have patreon
limber knotBOT
it would be enough to just get people to stop going there from that point on
upper flicker
those are the people theyre going after with subscriptions
limber knotBOT
yt is a massive platform, they would instantly have free advertising of their built in service to billions of people
merry talon
how much of a cut do they take from that?
upper flicker
and tbh I bet that's more than enough for those people
limber knotBOT
most people on yt don't even know patreon exists, statistically speaking
upper flicker
most people on yt will never subscribe or pay in any way shape or form
limber knotBOT
they don't need to
upper flicker
so that statistic doesnt mean much
you'd have to compare a few different numbers for that to be relevant
limber knotBOT
wasn't it less thank 0.01% that made 99% of the revenue for mobile apps
upper flicker
no idea
limber knotBOT
the answer is yes
upper flicker
lol Im not going to blindly trust that figure
youre not a reliable source for stats my dude
merry talon
for mobile games
upper flicker
certainly could be, certainly could not be
merry talon
and it's gotta be closer to 1%
upper flicker
Im sure its something egregious
limber knotBOT
it could work if you actually get cool rewards from it, I mean I dropped around 100 bucks to a youtuber/streamer for their show already just for cool emotes, profile icons and behind-the-scenes stuff ¯_(ツ)_/¯
and I don't even have lots of money xD
acoustic pilot
Looks like Valve is making their own "second gen" VR headset. It's called the Valve Index.
upper flicker
google is large enough they could undercut patreon on %
that might get some creators to leave
limber knotBOT
there are people who donate hundreds of dollars to streamers every single day... whales exists there too
acoustic pilot
Thought it might be an April Fools joke from yesterday, but it was announced days before.
limber knotBOT
iirc it wasn't announced, more like accidentilly posted xD
announcement is May 11 iirc
so yeah 0.15% of people for 50% of revenue
acoustic pilot
Well, yeah, "revealed"
But no details other than coming in May
I wonder what they'll price it at.
merry talon
are ads included in that figure?
limber knotBOT
probably in the area of the Vive release price
acoustic pilot
If it's like a Vive and it only targets enthusiasts, then it's probably not all that interesting
merry talon
Those lenovo VR headsets are looking promising
upper flicker
someones going to have to make that leap towards consumer VR
merry talon
for the consumer level
acoustic pilot
I wonder if Index will target lower specs with cheaper hardware or even bite the bullet on cost to penetrate the VR market.
upper flicker
but no I dont think VR as a platform is there yet either
limber knotBOT
any headset that requires base station isn't conumser friendly imo
upper flicker
it will always seem too early until someone just does it
acoustic pilot
Valve does seem to sometimes show interest in eating the cost of hardware
merry talon
^ the new ones are just one unit
acoustic pilot
LIke their 90% sales they sometimes do on their controller
upper flicker
the issue is VR as we know it now is still going to require quite the performance tax
merry talon
I think they still have controllers but they track themselves
acoustic pilot
And Steam Link
upper flicker
and most people dont have it
limber knotBOT
good luck tracking individual fingers without putting sensors on them
upper flicker
so their limited to enthusiasts and prosumers
limber knotBOT
@acoustic pilot Steam Link is dead, that's why they have heavy sales for the last batches
merry talon
a VR glove could be cool
acoustic pilot
atm VR requires too much investment so yeah it's just for enthusiasts, but I'm wondering is if Valve will change that
Or if Index is just another enthusiast VR headset
upper flicker
steam link is very dead and it makes me sad I didnt buy one
limber knotBOT
they started to push their android streaming app
I think they fucked up with roomscale tbh
it simply requires too much space
which works quite well, even on a phone so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
upper flicker
the few people left selling are cashing in on resale
merry talon
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limber knotBOT
I should sell my link, haven't used it in a year 🤔
upper flicker
is steam controller selling well?
limber knotBOT
jesus christ that glove would make thanos blush
the last really big sale that I saw for the controller was with the link together
upper flicker
every review I saw of it said it was pretty niche
limber knotBOT
otherwise it's 50% off at a max iirc
upper flicker
cool but niche
acoustic pilot
Steam Controller is always sold out during their sales lol
limber knotBOT
but I will probably get another one just so I can tinker with the hardware a bit xD
acoustic pilot
Gotta get it within the first day
limber knotBOT
I would love to have a real d-pad
upper flicker
steam link did too and even then its market penetration is tiny
even among gamery pc prosumer bros
acoustic pilot
Doesn't Valve keeps stats on this, I thought they did
upper flicker
well
definitely
but thats not what you meant lol
idk if theyre published, that'd be cool
upper flicker
I just have a dualshock 4 for the few times I want a controller on PC
and it works really really well
I thought about getting a steam controller but it wouldnt really work for most of the games I use a controller for
acoustic pilot
Steam Controller numbers pretty good if it's a third as much as PS4 controllers.
merry talon
you need a sony dongle to use bluetooth on those right?
acoustic pilot
Oh, that's PS3
limber knotBOT
I really hope next-gen consoles will have the back-pedals too... honestly the coolest feature of teh steam controller
acoustic pilot
Not as good
upper flicker
no
limber knotBOT
but seriously I don't know that roomscale can ever be consumer grade
upper flicker
you can pair it to any* bluetooth dongle
merry talon
dualshock 4 is ps4
acoustic pilot
Naturally XB 360 dominates the controller market share
upper flicker
though I know the drivers are picky about internal ones
limber knotBOT
if you guys live in homes where you can dedicate 4 meters by 4 meters to vr then you have a home much larger than mine
upper flicker
the bluetooth dongle is what sony supports
limber knotBOT
and mine isn't exactly a tiny apt
upper flicker
their* bluetooth dongle
merry talon
ah
merry talon
I thought I read that they use a special version of bluetooth
acoustic pilot
My apt is 700 sqft 😃
upper flicker
I dont think so
limber knotBOT
13ft
upper flicker
I think the dualshock 3 did
merry talon
yeah looks like it
acoustic pilot
65 m2, apparently
limber knotBOT
basically 13ft by 13ft of space with no obstacles whatsoever
merry talon
do mobos nowadays come with bluetooth?
limber knotBOT
some do Sweepyoface , mine does
upper flicker
some do yeah
limber knotBOT
my previous mobo didn't even have wifi
upper flicker
otherwise there are pcie cards that bundle it with wifi
and then the usb donglerinos
merry talon
none of mine have had wifi
upper flicker
because not everyone uses a desktop with a hard wire
acoustic pilot
I get it in one direction, not both.
upper flicker
most homes in the US arent wired for ethernet
acoustic pilot
Roomscale VR is not 4 meters x 4 meters
acoustic pilot
Your Vive base station won't work that far.
limber knotBOT
just lay your own cables ¯_(ツ)_/¯
merry talon
lol, I have coax running across my room so I can do that
upper flicker
but most people dont buy desktops anymore either
limber knotBOT
I ended up laying my own cables but a lot of people wouldn't bother
it's not too hard, 100m cables only costs like 20 bucks or something
upper flicker
you lost most people at buying cable, laying it down, running it along the wall, etc
limber knotBOT
might even be cheaper, dunno how much I paid a couple years ago
acoustic pilot
Roomscale cuts off at just about 12' x 12' for Vive (16' diagonal)
limber knotBOT
the internet speed on my phone is 340 mbps in my office so using wifi wouldn't be that bad in the first place
merry talon
The main thing is latency
limber knotBOT
8ms ping
limber knotBOT
recently upgraded it
worn ember
@upper flicker wym? you don't bring your desktop to work every day?
merry talon
I'm a believer in thin & light laptops docked to an external GPU and peripherals being the way of the future
but we just keep making desktop sized laptops
acoustic pilot
Wow, you're filthy.
grand slate
i am very filthy, and i love it
quasi valley
I love myself my Surface Book
grand slate
mac, without the overpriced screen
acoustic pilot
You probably carry it around in your filthy backpack, too!
grand slate
who would do that
acoustic pilot
Some filthy people I know who work at Apple 😛
grand slate
isn't the whole point of a mac mini to be a dekstop with no screen - i.e. you don't move it
acoustic pilot
I worked for Apple doing web development for a few years and we'd fly out to Cupertino a few times a year for a week to do a hackathon. Some people did.
grand slate
god they're awful humans. pls tlel me you turned up with a windows laptop
acoustic pilot
Right, peripherals were at the office. All they had to do was carry the mini back and forth to where peripherals are.
grand slate
my god
gusty idol
Do they only use Macs at Apple
acoustic pilot
Nah I used a MacBook Pro back then, my roommate, also working the same job as me, had a Thinkpad with Linux though
Got some looks at Apple offices
gusty idol
POG
grand slate
@gusty idol there was that embarrassing moment at an apple launch event when a windows laptop was broadcast everywhere by accident
merry talon
can't use your mac mini anywhere you want then
would rather have a macbook and just dock that
grand slate
when i got my mac mini - either 2012 or 2013 - it wasn't that overprices. the idea was a mac without the screen and for once a fair price. i had enough to give it 16gb of ram too.
now, there's no way ican affoard a mac.
grand slate
what am i meant to do? buy a fucking windows laptop for development? piss off
merry talon
or linux
acoustic pilot
Could by any cheap laptop and throw Linux on it 😃
tropic flame
lmao I just came here to say that, dw I'm not saying your choice is bad
in fact I didn't read half of the chat
acoustic pilot
30% of the cost you put into an Apple product is product design 😛
grand slate
dw dw, not talking to you logic just generally ranting haha
tropic flame
I just saw y'all were talking about apple
and the inner iphone hater me spoke louder
grand slate
@acoustic pilot i would, if i knew how to use linux at all, i'm an idiot
tropic flame
altho ik it's about macs but still
grand slate
yea i don't use an iphone anymore
merry talon
modern distros are really not that hard
you get a desktop environment like you would on windows or mac
grand slate
there's the problem, all the rants about which distro is best. i'm lost already
acoustic pilot
Also, I develop on Windows, it ain't so bad 😛
gusty idol
Repeat until system stops breaking
acoustic pilot
As long as it's Windows Pro
merry talon
Since having to use linux on this old PC I wish I could combine aspects of both
grand slate
@acoustic pilot same rn lmfao, i can't be botherd to keep switching to mac and windows for gaming, so gradually i just use windows ;-; but i do hate it
gusty idol
grand slate
but, the only saving grace is i'm on windows 7
depending on who you ask, that's a great or awful thing
merry talon
I haven't yet found a DE anywhere near as polished as windows 10
acoustic pilot
but you're still filthy
grand slate
z750 yes you do, join me.
upper flicker
if the price was a bit lower and it came with a gpu I'd get one
grand slate
dw he has a mac mini, just too afraid to admit it
acoustic pilot
Basically the sentiment towards any Apple product
"if the price was a bit lower"
😃
gusty idol
@merry talon I think Linux DEs aren't well polished too
**That's why I use a tiling WM 😎 **
upper flicker
I did the "oh just buy a windows laptop that costs as much as mac and then judge" thing
and that one died
so Im like fuck it
grand slate
i looked at student prices for apple laptops, they looked really high, thought it didn't work. i removed the discount and it jumped up i was like "wtf"
merry talon
KDE has just been a buggy mess for me
gusty idol
i3-gaps gang
merry talon
that may be because it's a weird unofficial install on mint
acoustic pilot
I've had 2 MacBooks (one was a regular MacBook, the other a MBP) that developed inflated batteries lol
grand slate
with a student discount, in the uk it still cost > £1000 for some shitty i5 and 128gb of ssd
acoustic pilot
Never bought another MB again
upper flicker
the ram upgrades are still ridiculous on the newer stuff
grand slate
might just go to dubai to buy a macbook tbh.
the plane ticket + macbook would probably still be cheaper lmao
http://prntscr.com/n6lzzg yea ok no thanks
merry talon
and then your OS will be permanently in arabic
grand slate
all they do for student pricing is drop mbp's price to macbook's price, which is still shitty lol
merry talon
what's the difference between the macbook and macbook air? I thought they just had the air and the pro
acoustic pilot
When is casual "build your own laptop" going to be a thing? 😛
Is it already a thing?
limber knotBOT
one's hot air and the other one is enterprise-grade hot air
grand slate
it's not, the laptop parts are too fiddly, as to fit it all in that small space, regular people can't do it
merry talon
yeah it's a thing apple does it
acoustic pilot
Nah not where the vendor custom builds it for you
grand slate
i built my regular pc, which i'm glada bout. i was only 11/12 years old but it's still going
upper flicker
They’ve flipped places since they introduced them
merry talon
lol
grand slate
windows 7 gang anybody here?
acoustic pilot
Windows 10 Pro masterrace.
merry talon
I know
upper flicker
It used to be the air performed worse but was thinner
Now the air performs better but is thicker
grand slate
acoustic pilot
The Air was so nice when it first came out
Great development box for people on the move
acoustic pilot
Shit felt like a feather
upper flicker
When they got rid of the stupid flippy door
grand slate
also no macbooks have ports anymore lol. they won't have usb ports soon, if they do now
merry talon
they have usb C only
grand slate
^ yea
upper flicker
Yup
grand slate
like excuse me? thanks.... £1000 to not be able to use my shit
merry talon
You don't have to buy a first party adapter though
grand slate
they say that i can trade in my mac online 😮 but i cba to find my serial number, and i doublt they'll take it since i did my own ram modifications
upper flicker
I don’t mind it on the laptops
merry talon
USB C is the way of the future, they just made people mad by doing it too early and not including a dongle
upper flicker
I basically never use it on my system
merry talon
mostly the latter
upper flicker
If they tried that on the desktops they’d run into trouble
grand slate
they make ppl mad, because they decided it was the future, for everything... no devices really have usb-c atm, except for phone chargers.
upper flicker
I think the iMac they refreshed still has usb a
merry talon
You use the trackpad?
upper flicker
The trackpad is the nicest part of the laptop lol
grand slate
also samsung fucked me off... i can't steal my friend's charge from their phone. but they can steal mine. even my friend's iphone 6 can steal my charge if it's plugged into my phone
merry talon
yeah but I feel like it's still frustrating no matter how good it is lol
acoustic pilot
Are the Mac Pro's any good? That shit is expensive >_>
merry talon
bring back the nipple mouse
grand slate
@acoustic pilot i feel like if you're going to buy a mac pro, you either want to host your own vps or you need a dekstop pc.
merry talon
I suppose if you're used to keyboard shortcuts for development
upper flicker
Their new one is a bit of a hype spectacle atm
merry talon
I find myself using the mouse in editors more than I should
grand slate
the only thing that annoys me from switching between mac and windows, is the keyboard shortcuts
no matter how often i used to do it, i'll never get used to command, then when i do i forget about ctrl. it's so annoying
merry talon
can you remap it to that fn key? :P
merry talon
I thought they always used AMD?
acoustic pilot
I remember when they used NVIDIA Quadro
grand slate
looking at macbook pro, "up to 2.7GHz" yea um somebody should tell them that sounds extremely bad for £1500
merry talon
I remember them having firepros
upper flicker
they havent used nvidia since nvidia fucked up their laptops
merry talon
Which was AMDs workstation offering
upper flicker
and now theyre having a spat about drivers in the latest macOS
grand slate
ok going to go and work now. stop fantacising about a computer i don't even want, and realise that i also don't want any otehr type of computer. cya dirties.
winter rampart
acoustic pilot
Whoo, been one month since I took a break from weed. Probably my longest stretch in 10 years lol
It's been easier on my wallet without the munchies 😛
Gotta say the first best part of it all is I'm having vivid dreams again. Haven't been able to remember dreams for the past decade, but they're coming back to me now. Second is I'm saving a lot of money 😄
stiff yarrow
I was really into weed in my late teens but not so much now, weeds just the productivity killer and I like being productive
just turned 30 for reference 
acoustic pilot
Nice! Yeah for me it wasn't so much of a hit to my productivity (can say that now that I've been off it for a month and can draw a comparison), but more of a feeling like I was too dependent on it, so I challenged myself to see if I really was.
I don't feel a strong need anymore, but I do feel a trigger when I smell it.
And it's California so the smell is everywhere lol
acoustic pilot
I'd like be able to be a casual user, but my personality is addictive, not just with weed, but with things in general. So I think for my own good, might be better to just stay off of it for a long while.
stiff yarrow
yeah that's a really positive look on the situation
some people get hooked on weed, I know a few
acoustic pilot
Yeah, for sure. People can develop an addiction or dependence on it, and anyone who argues otherwise is a fool.
Key is moderation, but some people are incapable of moderation.
Like me 😃
pulsar wigeon
says the moderator
slim nymph
demotes
pulsar wigeon
acoustic pilot
Damn, rip me 😭
pulsar wigeon
it's ok aikar is addicted to 5 hr energy
but as long as he administers he's fine
no need to moderate
slim nymph
pulsar wigeon
wait fuck it's not an admin role, joke doesn't work
acoustic pilot
Haha
pulsar wigeon
just realized it's actually "project developer"
stiff yarrow
I used to buy a lot of 5 hour energy but then I kind of cut caffeine out of my life, now I have the occasional coffee
pulsar wigeon
i drink milk and water exclusively
slim nymph
i do feel great off of it...
acoustic pilot
I like caffeine, hate pissing all day though, so yeah I cut back too
slim nymph
i just dont get enough work done
going to bed at 11pm cuts out 3 hours of working time
acoustic pilot
To be fair, how many hours a day are people TRULY productive?
It's probably not more than 3-4
acoustic pilot
You're probably the exception 😛
I believe the 8 hour work day should be shortened to 5 or 6
slim nymph
many of my peers rather move to 4 day work weeks
acoustic pilot
Studies show that people on average aren't actually productive for more than 3 hours out of the 8 hour work day
acoustic pilot
lool
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph you might tempt me into buying it since I'm a workaholic 
slim nymph
caffeine is a mental stimulant. increases focus
discord is my anti 5 hour though
yall keep me from working
acoustic pilot
Shut up and write us some patches!
slim nymph
im still at dayjob
acoustic pilot
Can't even multitask
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot often I work about 12+ hours a day on my plugin, although lately I've been hating the current thing I'm working on so I've struggled to do 8
acoustic pilot
Yeah it's easy to get excited/passionate about something that's yours
slim nymph
i just wanna get past 1.13/1.14 so ican get back to mc feature work
my Survival Update v2 was so much fun
1.13 is demotivating me 😦
slim nymph
its like every step forward, I get beat in the head with something else wrong
md5 released such broken garbage
and im not ok with data loss like all these other servers on 1.13 😛
I demand perfection
acoustic pilot
Well you run one of the few servers that never resets, I think
slim nymph
I doubt its 'few' lol
but external inventory was main thing missing
and virtual storage concepts is a popular plugin idea
all of those servers who used virtual storage solutions lost data on conversion
well outside of 'simple' items
but item meta, nbt data, spigot didnt convert anything
acoustic pilot
No guarantee md5 won't royally fuck up 1.14 either 😃
slim nymph
also prob lost any item that was saved in super old mc versions that changed numerical ID's even
as his conversion for that only used 'latest' versions
the whole item meta system is screwed. it needs to go to only storing nbt data, and convert the stack before parsing out item meta properties
acoustic pilot
I really look forward to when Paper hits 60% adoption
50, even, but 60 is nice too
Just gives us more leverage
slim nymph
im still pondering over that to see if i can fix it for paper, though if do that, that data then cant go back to spigot as safely 😛
acoustic pilot
Is it mostly just not being added because Spigot might add it?
slim nymph
no, its not being added because im too busy 😛
gotta get my own server updated
but if spigot can get it in, i can store our data in same location, and just expose my better API
slim nymph
so both api's work for same data
a new guy PR'd the item meta system
and now hes working on entities
its not md5
acoustic pilot
That's one of those APIs that could significantly drive adoption, IMO
stone fog
Not really a paper question. But does anyone know how to set a login world with Multiverse?
slim nymph
agreed, but im just so filled with work 😛
im loking to update my local version of it to use newer paper storage format, so i can simplify migration from my fork to paper
acoustic pilot
Yours actually does more than mine did in my old private fork, too
I think yours does blocks and locations
Which is really neat
slim nymph
the way I stored in nbt in my own fork was meh
so i wanna clean that up
_BlockMeta 😛
where ChunkMeta is stored at 0,-1,0 lol
acoustic pilot
Oh right, and chunks
slim nymph
i gotta write data fixers for my itemstacks too
thats the big thing for me to fix
im still working on such critical pieces of the update for me
acoustic pilot
You thinking we can maybe see it in 1.14, whether Spigot adds it or not?
slim nymph
hopefully
i mnot 'waiting' for spigot
just would be more convenient
as i was considering should we use external storage
but its super hard to handle that for entities
if they load a chunk in spigot, entity moves, now we dont know where the entity is
or if entity died
acoustic pilot
Yeah, storing it directly with the entity NBT is easiest