as a hover componenent
#general
slim nymph
acoustic pilot
pls y lol
slim nymph
then it would persist going back to spigot
just at the uglyness of sending unused data to the client
but that only worked for entities, wouldnt for blocks
acoustic pilot
it's one of those things that tempts me to build a fork for since I know you have an API in progress but custom metadata is such an essential thing for customized servers
Gonna be looking towards a solution for that soon as I develop my server
slim nymph
well if you wanna take my fork + paper PR and try to merge something together and send it to me ๐
the API side on paper is 100% different than my fork, my next steps was how to save/serialize that data in a better format
acoustic pilot
I might, if it's not in a too horrible state of limbo. Definitely going to need it for my server, and want to avoid maintaining my own thing for sure
I used to serialize it as a Bukkit YamlConfiguration using saveAsString() to a NBT field lol, but that was for my simple needs. For this I assume it should be something more elegant and efficient.
Serializing it as properly structured NBT would be nicest, IMO
slim nymph
MetaApiAccessor is the beef
the class name is so that it can 'access' nms ๐
since a lot of package-private methods/vars
acoustic pilot
Nice, and I guess this patch API-side to go along with it: https://github.com/starlis/empirecraft/blob/master/patches/api/0036-Persistent-and-Temporary-Metadata-API.patch
Damn this is way more comprehensive than my system >_>
woven otter
@upper flicker i wonder how long we can keep that up without getting muted ๐
upper flicker
idk
in that guild
probably forever ;-;
I should probably be paying attention to class ._.
@woven otter I think the traditional way to end this is with a lot of no us
woven otter
haha ๐
lapis moon
bold zephyr
wind reef
warm nacelle
Any idea why this is there https://github.com/PaperMC/Travertine/blob/master/Waterfall-Proxy-Patches/0003-1.7.x-Protocol-Patch.patch#L1414 ?
golden gust
because 1.7
worn ember
1.2.1 is still the best version
void void
because travertine is a waterfall fork that adds 1.7
upper flicker
think theyre asking why the displayname is capped
which I assume is because thats all 1.7 supports
golden gust
Yup
void void
that's why then
peak dirge
Predictability of my DonorsChoose.org donations:
- A lot in December because of the holidays.
- Usually something the following January.
- One or two in April.
- Don't bother with it the rest of the year.
void void
can you read this?
i installed discord end to end encryption
if it works how i think it does you'll see gibberish
wouldnt that mean we need it on our end
i mean uh, what's he saying!
oh lol
warm nacelle
Ohh because i use a nick bungee plugin and this limit a lot of features i had to edit that line but i had no issues when doing so
void void
idk how it works then
warm nacelle
possibly add a config for 16 char or something?
stiff yarrow
@upper flicker wait display names aren't capped in length after 1.7? 
upper flicker
uh
no they probably are
I meant that that limit may have been for 1.7 specifically
but maybe not apparently
warm nacelle
it is for 1.7 that the annoying part .-.
it mess up a plugin i was using
acoustic pilot
weee, Netflix made a modern Ultraman anime ๐
Damn, remember watching that shit growing up
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filthy weeb
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ye les go
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brings out the atom bomb
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u filthy weebs can't win against the atom bomb
u lost last time
leafs are an advanced civilization
we've harvested the radiation from 2's braincells and made our own atom bomb
stiff yarrow
guy named after a fictional cat from a children's book bullies another man for his fictional media consumption
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ur literally blue
limber knotBOT
Is there a glitch that makes ambients spawn like crazy?
limber knotBOT
I've restarted once trying to straighten it out but they are spawning faster than players can kill them. It's like a zoo around every player.
Would it be build 584?
spark dirge
Just use the latest ๐
limber knotBOT
kk
unreal quarry
builds dark cave and let's the bats spawn endlessly around him
I am Batman.
gloomy sphinx
Why would that be happening?
sometimes I feel like people dont check their plugins before releasing
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I like how the cause is omitted
pulsar wigeon
yea there's a nice blank space under the actual NPE
also while i agree there's an abundance of retarded developers, there's also an abundance of retarded server admins
so i wouldn't be too quick to blame either
upper flicker
glances up at wizjany
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looks at 2750
upper flicker
thanks
gloomy sphinx
I agree
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yeah does nobody look at u often
pulsar wigeon
my plugins are never broken thanks very much
except when checkstyle breaks my builds because i'm using c# style braces
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:dansgame:
gloomy sphinx
upper flicker
I dont think there is
given that its printing version info and other shit its probably some handler
unreal quarry
Shitty
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well without that cause it's not particularly useful
unreal quarry
This is what happens when devs become carebears and nerf scary errors for end users :/
limber knotBOT
That fixed it. Thx.
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ur literally a window pane
upper flicker
youre kinda rude you know that
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wat
void void
why you gotta be so rude
unreal quarry
puts on his psychologist hat
It's because he hates himself, projecting his self hatred onto others
upper flicker
I think he's secretly in love with me doc
unreal quarry
Also a possibility
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no that's gay
unreal quarry
It's ok to be gay. Leaves more available women for us
void void
yeah me to
austere ivy
hi folks
slim nymph
i hgope these timings changes helps with the timings issue. i honestly cant see how the reported problems are having. the only way to misreport timings is if you get timings stack corruption messages :/
austere ivy
it's uh a jam board I created, apparently you can like draw..
which is kind of cool.. there's not much more to it.
unreal quarry
I think I broke it
Tried adding paper logo but it's not loading and I lost the control bar on the left lol
austere ivy
uh are you guys participating in r/sequence
upper flicker
there I added a perperermcee logo
unreal quarry
Lol z
void void
i added ะฟััะธะฝ
void void
ะฑะปััั
orchid pelican
So what should I do if I terminated all of the wires in the network panel and then terminated the desired cable in the house into a keystone and plug a device in, the switch doesnโt see it? I re punched the keystone , re did the terminations
Btw Iโm putting cat5e+ into a cat 6 keystone is that bad?
void void
is this a paper problem?
upper flicker
papermc broke my home network
orchid pelican
No...
void void
good cos i'd be worried if paper caused this
austere ivy
hey guys can you like upvote somtthin
upper flicker
wow he wants us to brigade reddit
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you know I still had light theme
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should've deleted black theme tbh
unreal quarry
See date posted
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ur gonna see black if u continue
cosmic raft
unreal quarry
Like in that movie where the leafs put out this chemical that made all humans commit suicide
upper flicker
remember when all those forests were burning in cali
thats my live wallpaper
puts me at ease
brb screensaver
fallen oracle
hot
void void
i'd imagine it would be
void void
nope
austere ivy
aw
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) โ@discordapp (Discord): Rare photo of a Discord developer working on light theme https://t.co/Gz9d4x0oJX (1 year and 19 days ago)
void void
kind of want to try one of those keyboards now
fallen oracle
Wowza. Dyno has 874 shards. That's actually insane.
slim nymph
oh damnit i forgot i had that clean commit pending, could of merged it into the other one lol
unreal quarry
Because consumers are idiots and think WiFi is the internet
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ethernet over wifi
unreal quarry
Show something like this to your average consumer and they think you're a nerdy overkill
upper flicker
everything on a rack
if it doesnt fit you put a shelf on the rack, then put the stuff on the shelf
pc on a rack, food on a rack, cat on a rack
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crack on a rack
upper flicker
is that what youre on
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ur on cancer
unreal quarry
I should stop googling these pics. I'm tempted to waste money on redoing my network now
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.g killer network setups
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://us.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/47165/~/killer-network-wireless-and-ethernet-configuration -- Killer Network Wireless and Ethernet Configuration: "How do I configure my Killer Network to use the wireless and ethernet connection?"
flux has my screens so dimmed right now that yalls names are just. not
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mfw
pallid eagle
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use white theme
upper flicker
white theme is garbage
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black theme is garbage
upper flicker
thats racist
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wtf
unreal quarry
White theme is like staring into the sun. No wonder leaf likes it, using that photosenthesis bs
wraith oracle
It wouldn't be that bad if the channel list was also white
upper flicker
the contrast is pretty bad on light theme too
idk how they managed that
people have been making light themes longer than dark themes
grey text on pure white background
what could go wrong
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nothing
unreal quarry
Maybe they made it bad on purpose so we can weed out the leafs
wraith oracle
upper flicker
im blind
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we know
upper flicker
its like staring into the sun
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alright calm down
merry talon
I generally don't hate light themes
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stop telling us the stupid shit u do daily
upper flicker
I think youre right, I think he likes it blinding because he's a leaf
pallid eagle
wait
merry talon
but discord and jetbrains make god awful ones
upper flicker
photosynthesis and all
upper flicker
scroll down
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yes
pallid eagle
but why
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although nobody uses voice
upper flicker
its for people on voice who then afk
maybe their mom wants to yell at them, maybe they have to go burn leaves
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idk why
upper flicker
discord moves them into it automatically
pallid eagle
why doesn't discord dc them automatically
upper flicker
idk ask discord
merry talon
I hate that feature
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probably some concern about people using open mic
wraith oracle
I didn't know that since I never use voice channels
merry talon
I dont see the point and it does it when I'm not afk
unreal quarry
Afk channel is for those that had taco bell for dinner
merry talon
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Minecraft in Minecraft -- Java Emulator Datapack (April Fools) - length 2m 57s - 13,807 likes, 123 dislikes (99.1%) - 184,767 views - SethBling on 2019.04.01
merry talon
even though everyone has probably already seen this
oh he put April fools in the title
lame
void void
i like the armorstand thing near the end
limber knotBOT
I am having the most insane debug ever
it's down to the point where I am now having to check if the user's host is somehow breaking on the shutdown sequence
we have the same fresh paper versions
same plugin version
all fresh worlds
but consistently different behaviors on shutdown
coarse urchin
limber knotBOT
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the code runs and the debug shows up properly
on both
but it doesn't do anything on the user's server
as in it doesn't cull entities properly on shudown
upper flicker
wow look at them fixing lots of random bugs
maybe 1.14 will be a nice release
knocks on wood
wide hazel
limber knotBOT
ok seriously
this code runs on shutdown
on most servers it works just fine, on others it runs but it doesn't clear the entities
what could the issue possibly be
unreal quarry
Only thing I can think of is the world isn't being saved after that runs. Like it's saving before it so any changes you make are wiped.
Idk, just a wild guess
worldly condor
hello
limber knotBOT
I'm really starting to wonder if this is a weird paper bug
unreal quarry
I've seen issues saving stuff on shutdown before. The fix (more of a workaround) has always been to save the state and continue on next load. In this case you'd just save to file all those entity uuids, then on next load you can remove them (probably on chunk load since entities won't be there onEnable)
limber knotBOT
can't do that, it would result in hundreds of thousands of entries
and let me stress that this only happens on this server
unreal quarry
Did you get a timings report from them and replicate their configs from it? Sounds fishy, like maybe they disabled autosave or something
limber knotBOT
they straight up gave me console and ftp access to debug the issue
they are having this issue across two hosts
and this is a clean paper install from what I've seen but I'll try to reset the files again
unreal quarry
No idea, man. I'm out of ideas. Someone smarter than me might think of something else to look for
limber knotBOT
this issue has been haunting me for a week
there is 0 doubt that it is properly detecting the entities
r u async
there is 0 doubt it is running the entity.remove()
i remember u wanting to async entity lookups
it is not in async, I checked that 100 times already just out of paranoia
the only way this could conceivably be in asyc is if someone somehow managed to make #onDisable() async
is plugin load order different
there's only 1 plugin
I've been breaking this down to essentials for a week, this is as simplified of an issue as I can make it
same copy, like u duplicated files
everything's running off of defaults
but let me delete everything again to make sure
if it aint a copy then u got a difference somewhere probs
they are a copy
but even if they aren't a copy that code should run
r u removing custom entities
these are normal Entities
same java version?
ok, try plugin with just something in ondisable to debug
I do have a lot of shit in onDisable to debug
like, a lot of debug messages that do show up
could Bukkit#isPrimaryThread if u wanna b sure of async
it's sync but sure
r there other copies on dat host
just wiped all files again, let me just check
many new iterations have been created on both problematic hosts
hopefully u aint confusing old ones
I'm not
full silo
Is this an IRC relay?
full silo
Monodirectional
vestal jasper
bidirectional
limber knotBOT
dumdirectional
full silo
So you're saying I was ignored
limber knotBOT
ur a dumcordian
limber knotBOT
on 100% fresh setup same issue is still present
full silo
Imagine being able to be pinged just by saying your name RoboMWM
vestal jasper
Being ignored implies someone read it and had something to reply with, and chose not to
limber knotBOT
Imagine having to @ everyone
full silo
How do you ping everyone on IRC?
limber knotBOT
you don't
full silo
Bad
vestal jasper
Well
limber knotBOT
anyhow RoboMWM 100% fresh configs
vestal jasper
You could say everyone's name
limber knotBOT
very good nobody can pull that dum thing off
100% freshly uploaded plugin.jar
same issue on this host
limber knotBOT
why would u want to ping everyone anyways
full silo
Useful announcements
limber knotBOT
pls RoboMWM no ignore
I am desperate
useful
idk mr magmadum i think u doing sumtin dum
and overlooked something
explain ur ondisable
or paste
if i want announcements ill read em wen i wanna
i dont wanna b pinged that u started a new twitch stream fixing a dom ploogin
RoboMWM็ถ https://hastebin.com/bomazacubo.cs
also, I can watch other words instead of just my nick, or not even be pinged on nick
(these are across two different classes)
wat shutdownpurger
o
i c it there
check entity#isValid
??
after culling?
right before
in loop
maybe they unloaded already
so not possible to remove?
is output same? Just different results?
output is 100% certifiably the same
it very much runs on both
iterate through entities in world to doublecheck what's existing or something?
s/world/server
Correction, <RoboMWM> iterate through entities in server to doublecheck what's existing or something?
after culling
ok hang on doing the valid check first
but if that's the objective wouldn't it be better to run #remove and then check if it's still valid?
(I'm now only running remove after a valid check)
ok so best I can tell it should be deleting this entity for sure
unreal quarry
All remove() does is mark the entire for removal.
limber knotBOT
well is there a more direct way of getting rid of it if that's problematic
call it a bazillion times :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
or, edit the world file urself
or NMS
so they are getting invalidated
unreal quarry
Not cleanly. You could theoretically use nms to remove the entity from the world.. and the chunk slices.. and this... And that ... then send out entity removal packets.. etc etc.. It's best to let the server do it though
limber knotBOT
no need 4 packets he doin on disable
check if the entity locations are in loaded chunks
why would it fail for this on server out of some 150+ servers
use world#isChunkLoaded as getChunk will load chunk
maybe chunk gc is more aggressive?
vestal jasper
inb4 this is an elaborate troll by the 1/150
limber knotBOT
pretty sure there's some automatic chunk gc
slim nymph
yes paper chunk gc is instant on load now
limber knotBOT
I also run similar code for chunk unloads RoboMWM
and that one works
for a change
slim nymph
papers is much more aggressive than spigots
soon as you load a spare chunk, its scheduled for unload according to unload delay
so if you turn off unload delay (BAD) itll immediately unload)
limber knotBOT
yeah but it throws a chunk unload event though right
limber knotBOT
so I am catching that correctly
slim nymph
just saying that to answer "maybe chunk gc is more aggressive?" = yes
limber knotBOT
ah
slim nymph
a spare chunk in spigot will stay loaded a lot longer (hurting tps :P)
limber knotBOT
well any other ideas for this debug
if u gettin disabled idk if u handlin events
though, I guess chunk unloads r sync
slim nymph
whats the isue, i cant figure it out reading above
limber knotBOT
I mean it can't be a chunk unload issue
idk, doesn't hurt to check all the things
the entity getting culled is at the spawn chunk
in front of me
he trying to eneity#remove stuff onDisable
slim nymph
yeah world wouldnt tick again
limber knotBOT
and apparently they aren't getting removed on this one specific world
s/world/server
Correction, <RoboMWM> and apparently they aren't getting removed on this one specific server
I'm not saying I don't want to try the chunk unload check, i'm saying that's one of the first few things I tried to do last week
as well as world unload
slim nymph
actually, iterate loaded chunks, mark the entity dead
paper shouldnt save any dead entity
limber knotBOT
so not using #remove()?
limber knotBOT
then it doesn't work
he's claiming it removes on one host but not another. He put in checks for entity#isValid and seeing a lot of invalid entities when iterating through entities to remove
let me be more specific, this works for over 150 servers and counting but this one user reported the issue
gave me console and ftp access
I can't reproduce it locally or on any other servers
even cloning the setup
slim nymph
maybe the chunk unloaded already?
limber knotBOT
I wipe on chunk unload
slim nymph
or they are using some stupid hacky other plugin
limber knotBOT
there are no other plugins
slim nymph
are they using spigot...
limber knotBOT
no
slim nymph
mc ver?
limber knotBOT
wiped the everything clean
slim nymph
limber knotBOT
1.13.2
slim nymph
all craftentity.remove() does is set dead = true
limber knotBOT
I mean all I need it to do is not appear the next time the server boots
I know for a fact the world gets saved after the plugin finishes unloading
so I see no reason why the entity wouldn't be dead
or at least the world says it saves at the end of all of this
idk how I could possibly break this issue down further or make it more transparent
slim nymph
i dont know how it could be possible on paper
limber knotBOT
the chunks are clearly loaded, the entities are clearly going from valid to not valid, the world seems like it's saving at the end
slim nymph
valid != dead
limber knotBOT
want me to do a different check?
slim nymph
you need to make sure its also DeAD
limber knotBOT
checking dead now
slim nymph
whats the cleanup code look like
limber knotBOT
one sec
slim nymph
valid is just "am i in the world"
if you get removed from world in an alive state, itll be in the chunk
limber knotBOT
yeah they are dead after #remove
but if they aren't valid, server isn't going to take action on them on save I'd presume?
slim nymph
right, the code i screenshotted
it wont be saved into the nbt
unless the chunk just isnt saving correctly?
limber knotBOT
well his iterator has entities which aren't valid (probably in unloaded chunks) so calling #remove() on them will do nothing unless those chunks get loaded back in or something before shutdown
idk if he's removing from his collection after acting upon chunkunloadevent
limber knotBOT
it shouldn't matter
slim nymph
entities should not be in the chunk if its invalid
limber knotBOT
I am culling an entity at the spawn chunk standing in front of it
slim nymph
the this.c() is what sets it to valid=fals
so it should be removed from chunk
this leads me to believe the entity slices state is getting corrupted
vestal jasper
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"Reason for closure?"
slim nymph
sounds like spigot
limber knotBOT
https://hastebin.com/jacohozabu.coffeescript checking for whether the entity died
the answer is yes
it died
but it still shows up on the next boot
vestal jasper
City monster is secretly md5 confirmed
limber knotBOT
I know they're zombies but I'd still like it if dead entities didn't show up on the next boot
slim nymph
call .remove on it regardless
limber knotBOT
I called #remove() on all of them
he's checking isDead after calling remove
line 8
he was calling #remove on all of them before checking isValid
I just wanted him to debug isValid state, not skip if !isValid tho
I mean it shouldn't really matter should it
wen u debugging everything matters
neither works anyway
I mean it doesn't matter because I've tried both
wen u debugging
e v ery thing
matters
you want me to move #remove() up?
just print return value of isValid
instead of isDead?
no print both
it's ok to print things
so even if !isValid remove anyways.
try also canceling tasks in ondisable
before running your culler
canceling tasks?
which tasks?
all
of your plugin at least
idk when tasks run if they're scheduled to run on same tick as shutdown tick so probably doesn't hurt to put that in in case your plugin is doing interesting stuff in tasks, which wouldn't surprise me
RoboMWM็ถ https://hastebin.com/gelosimave.coffeescript
doing the tasks thing now but I don't think it's going to do anything
ur still skipping if !isvalid
how can I easily cancel all tasks btw
pretty sure there's a method for that right
yes
thanks
getServer#getScheduler#cancelTasks(plugin)
ah that's what I was looking for thanks
interesting, cancelAllTasks is gone
which is good
Annoying to discover plugins who decide it's a great idea to call that method
and I am canceling tasks at this stage
entities still show back up
try invoking a manual world save?
just world.save() is enough right
never really had to deal with that one
that's what I do
still no dice
what if you invoke on command
does it remove
actually hang on my bad
one sec
RoboMWM็ถ it actually works just fine on reloads
lol
not even joking
reloads work 100% fine
the cull entities correctly
shutdowns don't
woa wait
is it resolved?
no no it's not
fuck me sideways
load chunks of entities you wish to remove
I'm pretty sure I have some commits in some repos where I'm debugging like crazy
ok so hang on
this doesn't look right to me
they are all outputting as not valid now
well you're doing it after remove()
oh right
https://github.com/MLG-Fortress/StrangeWeapons/commits/master though I probably have better elsewhere
tried loading their chunk before removal
no dice
same issue
is this issue making sense to you
idk try changing a block and seeing if that change saved on next start
block changes persisted
ideas?
verify if uuid matches? Or does that change across restarts
what, entity uuid?
I mean these entities have custom names and their custom names persist for what it's worth
unreal quarry
What entities are these exactly?
limber knotBOT
armorstands and livingentities
doesn't work for any of them
oh and dropped items
unreal quarry
Any of them riding another entity? Or being ridden?
limber knotBOT
nope
also let me stress that this works on all other 150+ servers
just not this one
unreal quarry
Tell him to get a new server then :p
unreal quarry
Can you tar up his entire server directory and deploy it on your own machine to replicate the issue?
limber knotBOT
I don't need to
it's 100% defaults
generated it myself
did the same on my own machine
limber knotBOT
let me see if mcprohosting lets me tar it up
done, downloading it
ok
cloned environment runs correctly on my machine
incorrectly on the host
it's the exact setup
except for the port and IP
only two values I changed
so either I am going insane or there is a big problem here
unreal quarry
And this has happened to him on two separate hosts now?
unreal quarry
Well, I'm pretty sure we've narrowed it down to a host issue.. but it's odd that it happened to two separate hosts... He's either really unlucky, or solar flares are targetting his machines
limber knotBOT
so I am not going insane then
unreal quarry
If his desktop has the same issue I'm going to flip my desk over
limber knotBOT
if anyone else has any ideas do let me know
unreal quarry
If you have the time and patience you could try setting up his host's environment (aka, install multicraft). It might be an issue with that software.
limber knotBOT
I mean I guess it could be the stop script?
actually no
because I used the stop command
does multicraft do anything on shutdown?
unreal quarry
I'm just guessing at this point tho. None of the troubleshooting steps have succeeded so far, except cloning to your own desktop doesn't have the issue. The whole thing is messed up lol
limber knotBOT
sure is
it's been haunting me for a week
this is a good contender for worst bug I've ever come across
ancient bolt
Bots don't talk
haughty anchor
My eyes are telling me differently
unreal quarry
If I had a dollar for every time someone said there's a bot talking in here I could buy another motorcycle by now
vestal jasper
I could buy a house at that rate
unreal quarry
Hey magmaguy, the owner of pebblehost sits in the discordsrv guild if you want to pick his brain about the issue. Might go nowhere, but might help.
haughty anchor
@vestal jasper I feel like I remember your name from somewhere
vestal jasper
songoda
haughty anchor
you are/were a patron right
vestal jasper
Yes
haughty anchor
are or were?
vestal jasper
Are
haughty anchor
Oof
haughty anchor
Who are you talking to?
haughty anchor
I've heard that this discord has a general dislike for Brianna anyways
vestal jasper
A fair amount of discord servers do
unreal quarry
Dislike is such a weak word. I prefer hatred
limber knotBOT
this server has a surprising amount of former songoda devs
haughty anchor
Of course it does
vestal jasper
There's a surprising amount of former songoda devs
haughty anchor
We went through staff like crazy
limber knotBOT
the turnover is real lol
haughty anchor
I don't know if they still do.
vestal jasper
Yeah they do
haughty anchor
I'm surprised she still has people like you supporting her.
vestal jasper
They introduced like 25 new trial mods and I barely see any of them on
haughty anchor
Brianna used to tell me kick x mods so we can get 2x mods in
vestal jasper
limber knotBOT
soon enough the entire world will be a songoda dev or moderator
vestal jasper
They went from 30 staff on at any given time to 5 staff on in the span of a week
haughty anchor
I don't know how many people have seen the drive of proof that there is against Brianna.,
limber knotBOT
vicarious is that when the switched off the spigot pages?
vestal jasper
Around that time yes
limber knotBOT
shocking
haughty anchor
They've been saying that their new marketplace makes more than what they made on spigot
Which I find hard to believe
vestal jasper
"42 downloads"
haughty anchor
Vicarious have you seen the drive? Someone told me it was sent to all the patrons?
limber knotBOT
this website is broken for me
vestal jasper
I wasn't sent anything, though it may have been sent before I joined
limber knotBOT
like, I can't see any plugins
vestal jasper
I've seen her talk about plugins and such as if they're merely products that she flips for money openly in her server though
Which I feel iffy on
haughty anchor
I don't want to send it in any public discord so people who have asked for it I've sent it to.
limber knotBOT
was that supposed to not be a public thing vicarious?
vestal jasper
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
limber knotBOT
when I was a dev she would straight up boast about how much money the were making flipping popular plugins
haughty anchor
Okay now I am very curious who you are.
limber knotBOT
why, I'm ^-^ of course!
haughty anchor
I've seen most of the devs at Songoda.
vestal jasper
I personally do not like her but I quite enjoy the spawner and furnace plugins.
haughty anchor
If not all
unreal quarry
I still want to get some like minded devs together and recreate all the songada plugins, but for free ^_^
worn ember
Lmao is it bad I immediately know who we're talking about lmao
haughty anchor
Not really
vestal jasper
Well if I didn't have a backlog of plugins I have to make and I wasn't a kotlin fanboy I'd see about contributing
haughty anchor
She's banned on MCM for encouraging the leaking of resources which I'm pretty happy about.
vestal jasper
Wasn't she banned on spigot for the same reason?
haughty anchor
She's sadly not banned on spigot
limber knotBOT
nah she left
worn ember
I think she was on CV for a while too
haughty anchor
They only removed her resources from her ownership.
I hate when people say she left.
limber knotBOT
I am very curious about what was in that evidence drive
vestal jasper
I recall seeing an image that said the Songoda account was banned and all people affiliating with it were also banned
limber knotBOT
because I feel like I know more than what was supposed to be in it
vestal jasper
Though the ban image might've been for mcm
haughty anchor
Only MCM shows bans
vestal jasper
I'll try to find it
haughty anchor
Spigot doesn't really show bans
See, I would send you it but you're a bot so I can't.
limber knotBOT
hey bots have feelings too
limber knotBOT
they can, on irc
vestal jasper
bots can, webhooks can't *
haughty anchor
If I do not see a send message button I'm going to assume I can't message them ๐
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@cosmic gorge <---
haughty anchor
Eyy MagmaGuy. I remember talking with him.
cosmic gorge
where? that guy owes me $5
haughty anchor
There we go. I remember.
cosmic gorge
what's up kram
cosmic gorge
what was the evidence? dm me
vestal jasper
was the image deleted 
haughty anchor
DMed
vestal jasper
Oh it was the MCM ban
haughty anchor
haughty anchor
The ban on MCM didn't need much.
Just the screenshots of her saying she'll protect Blackspigot
from DMCAs
vestal jasper
haughty anchor
She says it is because blackspigot is needed
haughty anchor
Realistically, she wants control of a leak site
and if she controls the biggest, she doesn't have to worry about small ones popping up.
spiral garden
bleak anvil
That's what she says, but when BlackSpigot went down she claimed, paraphrasing, "two others popped up run by idiots and she doesn't want that happening again"....
Though she didn't tell the person she said that to that one of those two leaker websites that popped up was her own (InfiniteLeaks), which she then turned around and gave to BlackSpigot.
woven otter
@upper flicker I would say that it's rude but I will let it slide
upper flicker
How noble of you
vestal jasper
I thoroughly the Notable role color
bleak anvil
Why did I join this convo right when I'm loading a game of League? You guys have fun. ๐
haughty anchor
You too ๐
Anyways, the ZIP file has been sent to a handful of companies such as discord and patreon and youtube.
But, she has been deleting a lot of the things she has done to prevent any action being taken against her.
So the process has been slow. Discord launched their investigation and such.
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what drama is going on now
haughty anchor
Songoda
worn ember
Only cuz they're bad
haughty anchor
So I might as well ask here. If anyone has more proof about things she has done wrong, coming out about it to me or publicly can only help get Brianna and her harmful behaviors out of the community. If you PM me, you can ask for your name to be censored because I understand personally that Brianna can come after you. Secondly, I would love suggestions on how to get proof of her actions to her community which she most of the time shields the full truth from. Both of these things would be very helpful to just cleaning the community of a bad influence. I apologize though for bringing the drama into here but since I heard there aren't too many blind Brianna supporters here I felt that this discord is one of the few I can go to with a message like this.
Please tag me too so I see any message sent here.
unreal quarry
I don't understand... Proof of what? She's not really a girl? She's actually an attack helicopter? I thought the only reason we hated on her was because she is just recreating existing plugins for a profit. This sounds like high school teenage drama now for no reason..
haughty anchor
If that is the only reason you don't like her then you haven't really seen much of her.
In the zip folder I was talking about earlier there is proof of self-harm to get what she wants, sexual advances, supporting blackspigot, constant lying, silencing people who speak up.
static badge
sounds fairly vague
unreal quarry
So, teenage high school drama, basically...
cosmic gorge
nah there's a bit more to it
haughty anchor
I don't really consider it that. When you have someone with an influence of Brianna's (her discord has passed the size of this and like I said the people in her discord are mostly clueless) it only hurts the community by acting the way she does. If you consider this community a high school, then it's one weird highschool.
vestal jasper
Likely because he doesn't want to share too much information publicly
haughty anchor
Kept it vague so if anyone has proof of anything in those categories they can message me. The zip file I mention once more has screenshots of specific scenarios. If you would like it I can message you but I refrain from sharing too much information in any public setting.
static badge
tough shit :>
vestal jasper
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
wide chasm
I don't really see what the problem is? Just report Brianna on her Discord if she does something that isn't allowed and let it be?
unreal quarry
All I'm hearing is she's a mean person. Shit.. There's lots of mean people in this world.. If you got some actual really illegal activity (supporting blackspigot and sexual advances are not illegal) then you might have some listeners, and a case. Right now it just seems like you're digging for dirt to throw at her in the playground, and that's it..
vestal jasper
There's even some genuinely mean people in here
wide chasm
And how is that your concern?
unreal quarry
Then go to court... Not a public discord server lol
haughty anchor
I don't see why that is such an easy thing to do in people's eyes.
static badge
yeah sexual activity concerning a minor is not really our job
haughty anchor
Yeah, just go to court, just fight a legal battle.
Not asking for your job, asking if anyone had 1) proof 2) suggestions
unreal quarry
Protip: it's not your battle if it's sexual assault of a minor. The state takes care of it
static badge
we suggest you take your shit to the police
unreal quarry
^
haughty anchor
Due to the nature of the proof being on discord, it's hard for the authorities to do as much. But yes, it was taken to the authorities.
wide chasm
Could also report her on Discord probably, I highly doubt they'll accept sexual stuff.
full silo
I feel like a complete fool
bleak anvil
Already reported to Discord. They can't do much because she deleted her messages.
full silo
I actually just subscribed to Adobe CC
static badge
really they don't keep logs?
haughty anchor
They do not
stiff yarrow
paying for software in 2k19 
bleak anvil
No. Privacy reasons and GDPR compliance.
haughty anchor
Or they don't care enough to dig it up
Which is why I asked if anyone has more proof because of how many people she has talked to.
full silo
Kram
bleak anvil
I'll just throw a little thing out there that's a bit sad to see. "This isn't our job."
Right. It's none of our job. But this is our community. Why do we just sit silent while people do these sorts of things in our community? It IS our job.
unreal quarry
puts on moderator hat
Alright, I think it's time this conversation stopped. True or not, this isn't the place for such topics.
full silo
Do you need something with Songoda
static badge
if discord doesn't have proof I doubt any of us here will
full silo
I was leadership of BlackSpigot until resignation a few weeks ago
bleak anvil
Fair enough @unreal quarry
full silo
If you wanted information..
haughty anchor
Discord doesn't try too hard to look for proof. They need to be provided with message links.
And alright Billy. @full silo you can DM me
worldly condor
@full silo tell in tsc to see my ban appeal i am waiting 1 month +
full silo
@worldly condor
Will do
worldly condor
ty
full silo
Are you 13 yet?
cosmic gorge
man I'm getting old
static badge
thankfully u cant get more retarded
vestal jasper
I'm likely going to buy alcohol for the first time today
cosmic gorge
thanks @static badge
worldly condor
Spotted nailed it
static badge
ur welcome
vestal jasper
yeehaw
cosmic gorge
at least in misery I am not alone
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mfw
unreal quarry
I thought that was all states
bleak anvil
You can in TN now
quasi valley
or past 10pm in some parts of Scotland 
vestal jasper
I wasn't aware of the law existing for any state
In washington it's
Sunday to Saturday: 6:00am to 2:00am
That was my first time attempting to buy alcohol and no one in my immediate family drinks
unreal quarry
No clue, I don't drink anymore. I don't like the feeling of being drunk/tipsy, and I'm not known for making good decisions when drunk (like sleeping with my step sister's cousin at a new year party) :S
vestal jasper
It's at least a popular law, from my limited searching
Curious as to why I haven't heard of it
static badge
well at least she was ur step sister
unreal quarry
I remember as a kid my dad would have to drive into Houston to buy beer because the city we live in is a "dry" city, meaning they don't sell alcohol ever
Not step sister, leaf.. oh God, that'd have been way worse.. it was her cousin lol
unreal quarry
Lol
stiff yarrow
so you slept with someone who wasn't blood related to you and this was a bad decision
unreal quarry
Yes.
My family tree is already screwed up enough, I don't need anything to help it out
I'd like to die before I become my own grandpa
vestal jasper
Speaking of family trees
Apparently the earliest recorded male member of my lineage was born in 1580 and sailed on the Arbella
unreal quarry
You did that ancestry.com thing?
Or the 23andme
Been thinking about doing the 23andme, but I find other things to waste money on
vestal jasper
Actually I have not
My great grandfather spent some time collecting information on the family and personally compiled a genealogy
And my grandfather continued it
I even have missing links and information that I've been unable to find elsewhere
I also have the diploma and a report card that one of the female family members received in 1930
unreal quarry
Oh nice ^_^ I have a neck tie put away somewhere that's been passed down the generations. I'm told it's our Scottish colors. No idea if there's any truth to it. I've traced my name back to a castle in Scotland, but it's spelled differently. Galbraith.
vestal jasper
Actually, It seems the site Geni has more information tracing back farther. Nice.
Sir Robert Parke, I
Birthdate: circa 1547
William Parke, III
William Parke, II
William Parke, I
John Parke, II
John Parke, I
Robert Parke
John Parke
Walter Parke - birthdate: 1318
This is as far back as it goes
wide chasm
@unreal quarry Now I know where I remember your name from, on Spigot you're called BillyGalbreath don't know why it took me so long to realize that
unreal quarry
That's me ^_^
wide chasm
I only remembered it because of your last name for some reason, but whatever
vestal jasper
https://www.geni.com/people/Walter-Parke/6000000001555800001
If this site is to be trusted, the earliest known person in my lineage was born in 1318
I plan to join ancestry at some point and fill in any missing information. I know they're missing the 7th generation of Robert (1580), which I have information on.
Ouch, ancestry is rather expensive
unreal quarry
Yeah, that why I'm looking at 23andme, at least they do the chromosome thing too
full silo
@worldly condor idk if you're gonna be unbanned pal, I just remembered what you did haha
worldly condor
well, if they unban me tho, i won't be such a dick like i was be4 @full silo
full silo
Yeah well we can only hope forbidden and ned are so forgiving
I'm surprised I didn't get any further reaction on announcing my old title.
Is the general reception of leak sources relatively neutral around these parts?
upper flicker
Its also like the early morning for most of the audience
Im sure if you stick around long enough you can find someone to yell at you
full silo
Statistically, I have run into more developers who have accepted and mitigated damage reasonably than those who fight at every turn fruitlessly
But honestly, I was never so into it anyway
golden gust
I mean, the whole discussion is meh
full silo
Throw the whole post away
unreal quarry
I personally never had a problem with leaks. What I had a problem with what filing unauthorized transaction while leaking
golden gust
Yes
heady spear
In Sweden you can only buy alcohol in a single store, and they close at 6pm ๐
fucking scroll
I hate discord
Well either way, now you have that info unrelated to the conversation
worldly condor
in bulgaria the shops sell ciggaretes to 13 yr olds
golden gust
I mean, I always find it funny when devs complain about people leaking or decompiling stuff
full silo
Especially considering they are getting paid regardless from people who dont do that stuff?
golden gust
It's like, "You don't respect the license of the libraries you're using, but I should respect yours?"
full silo
Oh yeah my favorite
License:
You cannot decompile
You cannot leak
My resources actually encourage you to do fuck all with them (and they are free)
Post it on blackspigot I do not give a shit because you just copy the resource page and then my donation link is still there anyway
unreal quarry
Chargebacks cost me more than selling ever made me. Now I don't have a PayPal because I refuse to pay the chargeback fees
full silo
That is truly unfortunate
That definitely comes from the scummy side of the 'community'
The fat german 13 year old and the 20 year old slav
golden gust
Tbh, I've seen a few devs who just post stuff themselves to prevent others benefiting from leaking it
full silo
Yeah the McMMO author did that for BlackSpigot
Which was truly kind, considering the plugin's always been open source
unreal quarry
I set my price at $1 thinking that would prevent chargebacks.. wrong lol!
golden gust
ouch
golden gust
Improve your losses with one easy tactic!
full silo
Just put a disclaimer on all your resources:
Chargeback = your mom gay
unreal quarry
Charge back fee is $20
full silo
WOW
vestal jasper
but why should you be responsible for what they did
upper flicker
all transactions over LTC
if you cant figure it out I dont want to deal with supporting you anyway
:>
vestal jasper
Why am I surprised that a book about a man sailing from england is sold in the UK?
Also, nice I found the book about my genealogy on ebay
full silo
Christopher Columbus xd
vestal jasper
Actually according to my grandmother her lineage traces back to the mayflower
full silo
I can daresay most of us do
vestal jasper
True
full silo
The 1000s were probably a very incestual time period
unreal quarry
Speaking of incest, GoT s8 starts this month! \o/
vestal jasper
lol
upper flicker
isnt s8 the last one?
unreal quarry
Yup
Not even sure if it's going to wrap the story up either.. last I heard they were talking about wrapping it up in a major movie after s8
vestal jasper
Oh right idk if I mentioned this but apparently one of my great-great-great (x3) grandfathers survived the french and indian war, became a lieutenant, and died during the revolutionary war to British loyalists
upper flicker
kinda ready for the hype train to move onto another series
vestal jasper
In his own home, too
unreal quarry
I've been a fan since before hbo got their hands on it
I remember the day hbo announced it, we were all jaw dropped in my house lol
vestal jasper
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unreal quarry
I first heard of it in my d&d circle. Few nights we decided to play other table top games and that was one of them
vestal jasper
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
upper flicker
what are you gift wrapping
vestal jasper
I'm not gift wrapping anything I'm just extremely lazy when it comes to copying text
upper flicker
what are you monkas-ing about from amazon
unreal quarry
A book
vestal jasper
A book shipping from amazon taking up to 3 months to be sent out
I've legit never seen that before
vestal jasper
^^
Although half the things I've ordered from wish have never arrived
It's been around 6 months and they still haven't shown up
upper flicker
I feel like Id stop ordering after the second time
unreal quarry
Half the things from wish I've called in as undelivered, got my money back, then it appeared in my mail 3 months later anyway
upper flicker
or even the first time if they gave me the cold shoulder
vestal jasper
They're so insanely cheap I'm not worried about it
The most I'll do with that $5-10 is grab a soda or two at the convenience store
