general

[slim nymph]

well its good to use IF your in a container regardless

ptero just has more issues

you need to account for Xmx + offheap space

[austere ivy]

uh, Integer vs int

[slim nymph]

IE, disable the fucking oomk

[void void]

yeah oomk disabling would help

[austere ivy]

read somewhere that it's like a wrapper somethin

[slim nymph]

@austere ivy Integer can represent null

it is

[void void]

you can do that in ptero though

[slim nymph]

you cant indicate that the int was unset with int

[void void]

just tick the "disable oom killer"

[slim nymph]

does ptero let you set vm to have more than xmx?

[void void]

well

[slim nymph]

can someone screenshot me the config options

[void void]

i don't think that placeholders are that advanced there

[austere ivy]

Can I just

cough

[slim nymph]

i want to update my guide with info to help ptero users

[austere ivy]

private Object value;

    public Object getInteger() {
        return this.value;
    }

    Constants(Object value) {
        this.value = value;
    }

[void void]

uh i don't have ptero up anymore, i nuked it and went towards own solution

[austere ivy]

er

getObject lol

[slim nymph]

_>

[void void]

a month ago or so

:p

[slim nymph]

this indicates you have bad design brian

[austere ivy]

I have constants that are string, int, and uh.....

[void void]

but i'm using ptero as a client right now - which means i can't provide much info rn

[austere ivy]

I'm thinking it might just be easier to make a class with only constants rather than an enum.

[void void]

aikar if you can pull up an ubuntu vm temporarily i can set it up quickly

[austere ivy]

class Settings {
    public static final String SOMETHING_SOMETHING = "something";
}

Might be easier.

I'm not seeing any real benefit here from using an enum..

[alpine halo]

@slim nymph no to your question

[austere ivy]

nevermind returning object won't work lol

[limber knot]

you can iterate over every entry more easily and use valueOf to get them

[slim nymph]

@alpine halo fix it 😛

shouldnt be hard to add right

"how much memory padding to add"

[austere ivy]

horray it works

[void void]

i'd go for improving placeholders

[austere ivy]

private Integer integer;
    private String string;

    public Integer getInteger() {
        return this.integer;
    }

    Constants(Integer integer) {
        this.integer = integer;
    }

    public String getString() {
        return this.string;
    }

    Constants(String string) {
        this.string = string;
    }

[void void]

{{SERVER_MEM - 512}}

and that'd end up like

[austere ivy]

OK see you folks.

[slim nymph]

oh see that works

[void void]

yeah you get it what i meant

that's what i'd love in ptero

[slim nymph]

but does Servermem use bytes?

[void void]

mb

well sec

[slim nymph]

oh so that isnt supported atm

[void void]

https://0x0.st/z8Ol.png

[slim nymph]

yes

even though I might not legally need to pay taxes on donations, i still route it to business just incase heh

and pay taxes on it

[void void]

atleast in estonia you don't need to pay taxes on donations

[slim nymph]

its opinionated on 'donation', usually its associated with charitable giving

[heady spear]

You've been invited to moderate r/Sweden

[slim nymph]

but what if the IRS sees this as payment for services?

[void void]

what services exactly?

[slim nymph]

I'm not a legal 501c3

[void void]

yeah i don't know how america works so nvm

[slim nymph]

@void void developing software

[heady spear]

I'm pretty sure you have to be a non-profit to even receieve donations over here

[slim nymph]

safer to just pay the tax and not take any risk heh

[heady spear]

otherwise it's just considered a payment

[fallen oracle]

https://github.com/sindresorhus/refined-github

[slim nymph]

so i route donations to my business paypal instead of personal so i can keep track of all income

[fallen oracle]

Interesting

[slim nymph]

@fallen oracle i love that addon

really nice extensions to github

[void void]

ty @fallen oracle

[fallen oracle]

Can you show some photos of it when you get time? I know they have a few but it'd be cool to see it in the Paper environment.

I guess I could also install it.

Yeah it looks cool

[ancient bolt]

.lombok

[limber knot]

[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on

[alpine halo]

@slim nymph there is already some padding. Like 2 or 3 percent

[worn ember]

can you create foreign keys of tables that dont exist yet? or do you need to do those queries later?

relations are a pain <.<

[slim nymph]

@worn ember prob not, create in dependency tree order

[quasi canyon]

What’s your guys opinions on those premium minecraft adverts that cost like £300 for 15 days, I’m so gobsmacked that anyone would pay that

[heady spear]

What would be the best way to identify a memory leak on a server running remotely? It's very hard to reproduce locally as I'd have to run it for several days before it becomes noticable :/

[worn ember]

so i guess that means to just alter the table after all tables are created?

[slim nymph]

@quasi canyon still cheaper than what people were paying on 'bids' for some of the other sites...

ive seen people pay 3-6k

for a month

[quasi canyon]

What the dickens

[gloomy warren]

you could create your tables with foreign keys?

[quasi canyon]

Who has the money to just do that though

Like 5 grand ?!!

What

[slim nymph]

TopG use to be 150/15 days then they jumped to 300

[worn ember]

@gloomy warren i cant

[gloomy warren]

Why not?

[worn ember]

its giving me errors 😃

[fallen oracle]

Interesting. A multithreaded redis https://github.com/JohnSully/KeyDB

Apparently this is a thing too https://github.com/RedBeardLab/rediSQL

[worn ember]

cuz the tables dont exist yet

[gloomy warren]

Can you send your create statement?

[quasi canyon]

Do you think it’s worth it in the long run? I was considering paying the top g one back when it was 150

But 300 YIKES

[slim nymph]

yeah it sucks, its cheaper if you buy their credits in bulk

[finite wave]

He is using weird sql db

[quasi canyon]

Those website owners must be rolling in it

Yeah I currently have premium every 3 months

[slim nymph]

"Rolling in it" is subjective 😛 compared to small servers, sure

[quasi canyon]

But the advertising is just mad

[slim nymph]

not enough to pay my bills though lol

[quasi canyon]

I meant the website itself earning 5k per bid lol

[slim nymph]

oh yeah

i was totally wanting to start my own damn toplist

[quasi canyon]

Must be laughing themselves to the bank

[gloomy warren]

    id INT,
    parent_id INT,
    INDEX par_ind (parent_id),
    FOREIGN KEY (parent_id)
        REFERENCES parent(id)
        ON DELETE CASCADE
) ENGINE=INNODB;```
copied from here - https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17952_01/mysql-5.6-en/create-table-foreign-keys.html

should work with oracledb

[worn ember]

i'm using mysql tho

[slim nymph]

charset=latin1 bad

use utf8mb4

[worn ember]

i blame phpmyadmin for that one xD i somewhat copied parts

[gloomy warren]

guild_id with int(32) and id with int(16)

[slim nymph]

doesnt int stop at like 11

[worn ember]

i got no idea lol i just entered something really

[slim nymph]

and man im glad i dont have to deal with uuid's in my DB

i couldnt imagine doing binary(16) on all

[fallen oracle]

Why?

[slim nymph]

maybe i should recommend you follow my design 😛

[worn ember]

rubba recommended me to use binary(16)

[slim nymph]

user table with unsigned int id, uuid binary(16), then you use the uint in all your other tables

yes for storing uuid

[worn ember]

ah

[slim nymph]

but for my db design, i dont use uuid as the id, i have my own numerical ID

[worn ember]

yeah. My database concepts teacher told me to use as little rows as possible, so use whatever is unique as PK

[slim nymph]

you just need 1 mapping table for uint to uuid + other user data

    public EmpireUser(String name) throws Exception {
        this("u.name = ?", name);
    }

    public EmpireUser(UUID uuid) throws Exception {
        this("u.uuid = ?", uuid.toString());
    }

    public EmpireUser(Long userId) throws Exception {
        this("u.user_id = ?", userId);
    }

    private EmpireUser(String where, Object... args) throws Exception {
        DbRow rs = DB.getFirstRow("SELECT " +
            " u.*, INET_NTOA(u.last_ip) as ip, ses.server_id as currently_on " +
            " FROM user u LEFT JOIN session ses " +
            "   ON ses.user_id = u.user_id " +
            " WHERE " + where + " LIMIT 1", args);
        if (rs == null) {
            throw new CacheUtil.InvalidCacheException();
        }
        uuid = UUID.fromString(rs.get("uuid"));
        name = rs.get("name");
        player = Bukkit.getPlayerExact(name);

longs are simpler, and i had them before uuid's

no justification to stop using them

im sure db's prefer nice simple unsigned ints for joining over binary(16) too 😛

[worn ember]

They dont have feelings so idc xD

[slim nymph]

32bit vs 128bit primary keys

[worn ember]

32bit more data though 🤔

not that it matters for anything less than enterprise db's

[slim nymph]

-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql  13G Mar 19 13:26 log_chat.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql  12G Mar 19 13:26 rupee_trans.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 6.5G Mar 19 13:26 log_session.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 2.4G Mar 19 13:26 log_user_grief.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 1.8G Mar 19 13:26 user_meta.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 848M Mar 19 13:18 log_death.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 444M Mar 19 13:26 packages.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 416M Mar 19 13:26 token_trans.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 236M Mar 19 13:26 user.ibd
-rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 228M Mar 19 13:26 user_identity_history.ibd

[worn ember]

couldve been 233MB kappa

[fallen oracle]

whats user giref

[slim nymph]

block log type stuff

[fallen oracle]

ahh

How is that smaller than sessions

[slim nymph]

we have limited logs that go into DB, then other logs stored in world data

[fallen oracle]

ahh

[slim nymph]

we dont do full block logging like block loggers do

we dont do rollbacks

[fallen oracle]

so is that chat db since the server started?

[slim nymph]

yep

[fallen oracle]

jesus

[slim nymph]

2011

[worn ember]

Thats a lot a logs

[fallen oracle]

do u have a frontend fori t?

[slim nymph]

https://square.emc.gs

err

https://wiki.emc.gs/square

damn that url is always so slow

[fallen oracle]

hmm diesnt want gti load

[slim nymph]

https://empireminecraft.com/wiki/inside-the-square-moderation-tool/

[worn ember]

blame your shitty forum software lol

[limber knot]

loaded for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slim nymph]

the wiki shortcode searches for a matching wiki page

[fallen oracle]

so you can pull up anything someone has ever said?

[slim nymph]

yeah its not a large input, just a short what is up

yes glare

[fallen oracle]

thats cool

[slim nymph]

anyone applying for staff gets a thorough review 😛

[limber knot]

"it is designed so that we do not accidentally see anything private" do you log the clicking on the buttons to view more data too? xD

[worn ember]

GDPR intensifies

[slim nymph]

nope thats standard web stuff

just connects to the db

[worn ember]

would be stupid to do it through plugins

[fallen oracle]

Is there a public way for me to see anything I've ever said? Idke if I've even been on

[slim nymph]

@wheat quarry meaning that we don't show private type chat logs just by simply opening the page, you gotta click into it explicitly

[limber knot]

I fail to see how that makes a difference

(unless you log who viewed that log I guess)

[slim nymph]

"I need to see if player A logged in today. <Loads A>, making sure that A chatting with B in a private group about personal matters isnt in the default chat log view and you oversee something you wasnt even trying to look at by accident.

Plus our base staff don't have full access either

theres ACL's on what can be accessed

[limber knot]

well ok I get that. but if I were a user that wouldn't make a difference because I would just think "they have access to the personal chat anyways and I can't do anything against staff reading them"

[worn ember]

You probably have better user protection than a lot of companies lmao

[limber knot]

maybe just add a prominent note that not every staff member has access to sensitive information like pm logs xD

[fallen oracle]

Can a user request their chat logs?

[worn ember]

@void void i'd personally log the ip's in the user table, or i guess you could have a seperate table with the user id as PK

[slim nymph]

we have an ingame command to see your own pm logs

we dont provide public log reports

[fallen oracle]

Ahh

[slim nymph]

why stop adding rows?

@phoenix that square page i linked explicitly states that 😛

[worn ember]

i think you meant collums?

or however you spell that

[slim nymph]

"Staff members are able to filter logs by server, event type, and player. They are also able to filter the Chat by channel. Community, Local, Market, Moderator, and Supporter Chat channel logs can be viewed by all staff members, whereas only Senior Staff members and Administrators are able to view private conversations, residence Chat logs, and group Chat logs.
"

and our staff review process is prob one of the strictest

[worn ember]

its like 16gb

[slim nymph]

as i pasted above, it is the largest table

[worn ember]

for 8 years

not so bad

[limber knot]

I guess that's why I said prominent xD

[fallen oracle]

What's your typical staff review thing like?

[slim nymph]

https://staffapp.emc.gs is our app form

[fallen oracle]

8.0

fancy

[slim nymph]

we generally get like 2-3 staff every few months

[worn ember]

hmm i'm still not getting any relations even after setting the FK's i'm confused

nothing failed

its a tool from intellij

dqfd my sizes are still wrong

[slim nymph]

yay you're at least using timestamps

[fallen oracle]

Just read through all the questions, not bad.

[slim nymph]

had to moan today as I found a new table fucking using DATETIME

[void void]

timestamp type?

[slim nymph]

mysql needs to deprecate datetime

yes

[void void]

what is it for exactly? unix dt?

[slim nymph]

storing a point i ntime, yes

[void void]

i've used unsigned int(11) lol

[slim nymph]

datetime lets you use mysql date functions on it

err

timestamp*

where as raw uint doesnt

[worn ember]

great, i guess it doesnt autorefresh. All gucci now

[void void]

i have never used mysql date functions

so i guess i'm ok so far

[fallen oracle]

Whelp shit, I guess Aikar has nothing good to say about EMC on question 2

[void void]

as i've needed to compare times at most, e'g if something is before or after

which is simple > or < generally

[slim nymph]

colname timestamp NOT NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP

[worn ember]

i do that all the time, its fine

[slim nymph]

is a nice benefit of timestamp too

for last_update columns

[worn ember]

yeah

[slim nymph]

@fallen oracle I'm not involved in staff selection 😛

[worn ember]

@slim nymph lmao thanks that lets me get rid of this mess
statement.setTimestamp(2, new Timestamp(System.currentTimeMillis()));

i knew there was a better way

[slim nymph]

https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/timestamp-initialization.html

i use EmpireUser as a reference for the 'shared' DB state of a player + session data

[worn ember]

just pass the player along in the constructor

[slim nymph]

https://github.com/starlis/empirecraft/blob/master/patches/api/0013-EMC-Specific-User-API-s.patch

the <T> part works great for EmpireUser user = player.getUser();

but breaks when I do player.getUser().foo()

generics

infers type from left hand side

so EmpireUser user = player.getUser() infers <T> is EmpireUser

i use those methods to avoid hashmap lookups

[ancient bolt]

god im so tired

[limber knot]

@void void a Player cannot be offline

[fallen oracle]

Ahh

[finite wave]

Yes

[slim nymph]

wat, thats not bad

though you need to manually shutdown in onDisable since you didnt use the bukkit wrapper

[golden gust]

Literally worse than PlotSquared

runs

[void void]

lol

[slim nymph]

call DB.close() in onDisable once you know all tasks are done

[finite wave]

Pass is stupid there

Hide itt

You dont

[slim nymph]

try catch

[heady spear]

._.

why cat being a meanie for 😿

[finite wave]

Lol

[worn ember]

this.player = player

should be fine i think

not sure if its the best way, but thats how i do it

[finite wave]

player=player;

Such fancy

[gloomy warren]

this.player = player = player? 😄

[finite wave]

Yes

Will do

[slim nymph]

@void void youll get something like "Mysql server has gone away"

[gloomy warren]

And you should add a Objects.requireNonNull(player); or a @NotNull annotation for Player player. If somebody creates your "User" object and you try to get the player you'll get NPEs soon and you have no way to detect the "bad stacktrace".

[static badge]

annotations monkaW

[finite wave]

.taco @static badge

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) I can't give a taco to that user.

gives @static badge a spicy taco

[finite wave]

K

[static badge]

retarded

[slim nymph]

you dont like spicy tacos?

forces leaf to eat spicy tacos filled with burning leafs

[gloomy warren]

results in a burning leaf

[static badge]

alright simmer down

[slim nymph]

simmering leafs hmm

https://tenor.com/01Aq.gif

[static badge]

wat

[slim nymph]

they were a plant, so your cousin

[worn ember]

are those beans?

[slim nymph]

looks like peppers

[worn ember]

nasteh

[slim nymph]

nasty?!

heathen

[worn ember]

i dont like spicey food

[slim nymph]

https://tenor.com/0Q4G.gif

[heady spear]

I don’t like dark anymore

[slim nymph]

https://giphy.com/gifs/animation-hot-fire-3ohhwh4N0PB3ZERltK

ghost pepper best hot sauce

[static badge]

wtf is this cancer that has flooded this chat

[worn ember]

i can't recall if this relation is right or the other way around lmao >.> my brain is failing

[static badge]

I never knew it could take a liquid form

wtf is that

[slim nymph]

ghost pepper?

[static badge]

no the image right above

[slim nymph]

man my mouths watering now

[slim nymph]

i need to get tacos thurs and add some ghost pepper to it

[heady spear]

I accidentally renamed my project on Bukkit dev from PlotSquared, then I tried to name it back to PlotSquared a minute after and it told me that there’s already a project named PlotSquared...

[slim nymph]

prob reserves old names

just use PlotTripled

sounds cooler

[heady spear]

Also our logo just disappeared and I can’t upload a new one because it fails .-.

[worn ember]

Oh baby a tripple (plot)!

[slim nymph]

https://play.google.com/music/m/Tfjt55oilttlxpabhzzakomyekm?t=Horsey_-_Diplo

[heady spear]

Wow it’s so worthwhile posting on there tho, 14 downloads!!

Also yes dark, that looks correct

[worn ember]

damn thats a lot more than i remember

[heady spear]

We only have 94k on Bukkit :/

Although, I guess a lot of people used the jenkins link instead

[worn ember]

idk how i ever got 11k downloads on this pile of crap xD

[heady spear]

Hm, would anyone here happen to know the bstats dude?

Oh lol, they have a discord

[worn ember]

has the same website theme for 8 years on a static 960px grid.

[heady spear]

What site are you talking about?

[worn ember]

PMC lol

it hasnt changed since release

[heady spear]

It’s horrendous

[worn ember]

yup

i just stumbled upon an old post i made complaining how their site is so horrendous and thats pretty much their reply

[native helm]

I thought PMC died for some reason

[worn ember]

@slim nymph would it be a feasible idea to add a an owner collumn to guild and make it a FK of user.uuid or is that just pointless as i already have role in guild_member?

[golden gust]

You already have a role table, it's more flexable

[worn ember]

Alrighty

[heady spear]

I agree with the mean cat.

We pretty much did what you suggested in PlotSquared in the early days and it was big regret

[worn ember]

now i'm just a bit confused on what tables to actually insert my data into?

like if i make a guild, do i just put it in guild and be done with it? or do i need to add things to guild_member too?

[golden gust]

Well, insert only inserts into a single table, so; you'd probably wanna create your guild and add an owner in there

[worn ember]

mhm but the point of guild_member is to not have a many-to-many relation. so i'm not quite sure how to utilize that

[slim nymph]

can a user be in multiple guilds

[worn ember]

no

[heady spear]

Wait, why do you have member in the guild?

Can a guild only have one member?

[worn ember]

uh no?

[slim nymph]

https://gist.github.com/aikar/e0a42a1001cb8acb0a3261e5159ed468

[heady spear]

Then why the member column?

[worn ember]

because i need to somehow reference the members no?

maybe i messed up the structre

[heady spear]

You only need to have the number in guild_member, why would it go both ways?

[slim nymph]

empires == guild

[worn ember]

alright thanks

@heady spear yeah that makes sense actually

thats probably why i was so confused on how to implement this

[heady spear]

So you create a guild, then a user, then a guild member

[slim nymph]

well ideally the user should be abstract outside of the guild system

[heady spear]

Oh yeah, I mean. You’d create the user when they first join the server, right?

[slim nymph]

yep

[worn ember]

yeah

all users are created/updated when they join/leave

and at some interval eventually

this is a lot more work than i anticipated

[slim nymph]

welcome to programming

[worn ember]

haha

700+ lines and i only have database insertion and some commands

[slim nymph]

was glares plugin not good enough for you lol

or just wanted it for practice

[heady spear]

I spent four two yesterday debugging the PlotSquared update notifications, only to find out I had placed my ? On the wrong side of < in my regex

[worn ember]

its for an mc plugin, its not discord related

[slim nymph]

glares plugin is pretty much what your designing...

its a guild system for mc

[heady spear]

Then I had to shade in 4 different libraries, including the kotlin standard library

[worn ember]

oh, its more than just guilds tho, i just need a guild like system to implement my siege minigame

[heady spear]

Because fuck okhttp

[slim nymph]

could maybe still be usable as an api?

[upper flicker]

wow okhttp hate

look at this hipster

[worn ember]

i wanted to build it from the ground up :p

just to get better and such

[golden gust]

okhttp is ❤

[slim nymph]

which is fine, hence me asking if you're doing it for practice

[heady spear]

Retrofit is love though, so it’s worth it.

[golden gust]

Had to use it for some library as I needed support for the standard JRE annnnd android

[slim nymph]

if thats a goal, then proceed!

[worn ember]

👍

[slim nymph]

but if youd rather avoid creating your own guilds system, one does exists

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/guilds-v3-guilds-reborn-is-live.48920/

[heady spear]

Retrofit is amazing and I’ll happily accept doubling my jar size with kotlin bloat if I have to

[worn ember]

vomit

[heady spear]

https://github.com/Sauilitired/Jenkins4J/blob/master/src/main/java/org/incendo/jenkins/JenkinsService.java
Look, dis java porn

[golden gust]

oh, retrofit uses okhttp?

[heady spear]

Yup

... I wanted the lines

Damnit.

https://github.com/Sauilitired/Jenkins4J/blob/41859e112093e11b29bed72b296f8db299548419/src/main/java/org/incendo/jenkins/JenkinsReader.java#L61

Yay, less fail

[golden gust]

https://gist.github.com/electronicboy/10d9464f5f2be732d632334e40735302

I guess that's basically retrofit, but without the extra library 😛

[heady spear]

I’ve never actually used okhttp on its own :p

Also, damn, I thought I over-commented 😛

[cosmic raft]

@golden gust what is "sar"

[slim nymph]

shady ass rebels

[golden gust]

Was some university project

[heady spear]

w o w someone is educated

[golden gust]

(hence the over-commenting) lol

[heady spear]

I’m fairly certain no one actually reads out code at uni

[slim nymph]

Someone Ate Rice

[heady spear]

Because I wrote half of the comments in Swedish, and no one complained

I’ll try to write them in Russian next time.

[worn ember]

Not even teachers care about your projects 😉

[heady spear]

I has more downloads than u have life so frick u

[wraith oracle]

Or perhaps they didn't care since the comments were in a language they didn't know

[heady spear]

The code was also a mess and we didn’t follow the specifications at all, they were still fine with it. Honestly, I doubt they even look.

We have to show them that it runs and does what it should, then we write some bs report on it

They also want us to pre-plan our code, which is like?? Bitch I’m not planning no nothing.

[golden gust]

"Search and Rescue", had to make an app/website/backend for it, but we kinda flopped as although I could get the backend done, the guy on the website stuff didn't know php, and the guy on the android app (Who said that he was comfortable working with android) basically couldn't do the android app \o/

[wraith oracle]

Lol

[heady spear]

According to the, you can’t write java unless you first make a UML diagram, then make an implementation strategy.

To them***

[cosmic raft]

dance, citymonstret

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFYZnMjUinc

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) RaiM & Artur & Adil - Симпа (Official Audio) 2019 + Текст - length 2m 32s - 155,829 likes, 3,116 dislikes (98.0%) - 17,258,757 views - DD RECORDS on 2019.01.24

[cosmic raft]

[golden gust]

My trick is to make UML diagrams using IDEA

[heady spear]

We weren’t allowed to do that because they use different symbols =)))))

[golden gust]

rip

[heady spear]

UML should be illegal.

[cosmic raft]

also, tsk tsk @golden gust

your code has a bug

[golden gust]

I work on a mac, sooo visio is a nogo, and all the other apps basically suck, so I just figured I might as well just use IDEA for it 😄

[cosmic raft]

https://gist.github.com/electronicboy/10d9464f5f2be732d632334e40735302#file-sarclientconnector-java-L90

you never close the response

[heady spear]

• text
  the text is in the description
  Deceptive.

[golden gust]

rip

[heady spear]

w o w, leaking resources

[golden gust]

I didn't even notice the close method 😄

[heady spear]

My professor doesn’t believe in closing resources as you never run out anyways =)))))

[cosmic raft]

Google Stadia is interesting

[heady spear]

He also claims that you don’t have to think about memory in java because it does it for you =)))))

[cosmic raft]

https://store.google.com/magazine/stadia

[heady spear]

Has this not been attempted several times over already?

[golden gust]

To be fair, the major thing that's been lacking has been interest

[heady spear]

The services I’ve seen have always struggled with bandwidth and latency

[golden gust]

I recall onlive who did that, but they ended up closing after being bought up from what I recall

[slim nymph]

well microsoft is investing heavy into it, and now google

having 2 big players competiting...

[heady spear]

I don’t mind the idea tho, it’s cool

[slim nymph]

likely to take off this time

[heady spear]

I don’t want it to take off, I’ve spent too much on my graphics card =)))

[slim nymph]

so use that gfx card for 3-4 years

then move onto new shit

[golden gust]

For people who have actually paid for expensive hardware, it's not really a good option

[heady spear]

Sometimes you say things that make sense

[slim nymph]

in 4 years your card will be mediocre 😛

[golden gust]

It's more for people who need an affordable option or the ability to jump between multiple machines, etc

[cosmic raft]

the tiktok logo makes my eyes go weird

https://s16.tiktokcdn.com/musical/resource/wap/static/image/reflow/videoPC/MLogo_e59e5f8.png

[heady spear]

It’ll be interesting to see where it leads :p

[worn ember]

its 3D

[unreal quarry]

is still rocking the 970 gtx in 2019

[worn ember]

u need 3D glasses to see it properly

[cosmic raft]

also

[slim nymph]

i dont understand youth on how these things take off

[cosmic raft]

mfw mac pro now has 256GB RAM option

only $5200

[slim nymph]

that damn tik tok was using like 30-40% of my nephews battery, i had to look up wtf it was

[cosmic raft]

err imac

[fringe quartz]

Mojang very good yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIBIuSTdQD8

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) OP Armor in 1.14 - length 13m 55s - 690 likes, 4 dislikes (99.4%) - 4,851 views - ilmango on 2019.03.19

[worn ember]

lmao

[static badge]

tik tok is new vine

[heady spear]

But worse

[static badge]

ur cancer

[heady spear]

What the fuck

[worn ember]

i never ever visited vine or tiktok, if i want to see thots i'll just go to instagram

[heady spear]

Vine was neat

[cosmic raft]

I miss vine

[worn ember]

Reminds me of that lol

[heady spear]

Someone ban spotted for being abusive plz

It hurt all of my feelings

[austere ivy]

SPOTTED

[unreal quarry]

Only thing I know about tik tok is that it has a bazillion ads about it on YouTube videos :S

[austere ivy]

I say we all sue spotted.

Spotted gave me leafititis, and apparently he's being abusive too.

What're we suing him for? A million? A billion?

[cosmic raft]

vine was great, it gave us things like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR1zHdFN8A4

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Annie Are You Ok - length 7s - 27,442 likes, 388 dislikes (98.6%) - 1,128,854 views - Ratamamhata kanishka on 2016.04.01

[austere ivy]

oh yeah can someone code review something of mine c;

[unreal quarry]

It sucks. There's your review. ^_^

runs

[austere ivy]

Thanks Billy.

You always help me look on the positive side of things <3

[cosmic raft]

oh my god

[heady spear]

He’s probably right tbh

[cosmic raft]

is that really the confirmation page

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D15F5LaW0AEmzBt.jpg:large

mfw

[worn ember]

@heady spear sucks too 😉

[heady spear]

I wouldn’t suck you tho.

[austere ivy]

https://hastebin.com/mowivuguha.java

:)

[worn ember]

wouldnt be so sure

[austere ivy]

hey that's better than 0/10

[heady spear]

When you don’t know what a package is so you put everything in the same file

[austere ivy]

that's technically

an infinity% improvement!

I don't really feel like I have to break anything into different public classes yet

I should probably do that

for now, when I'm getting the framework down it's nice to be able to see everything at once

[heady spear]

Weird encapsulation. The classes aren’t private but all members are

[worn ember]

i thought this was a spigot plugin until i saw scanner.next()

[austere ivy]

again those classes might be public.

[heady spear]

Some members are*

[austere ivy]

scanner.next() is literally like

16 lines in haha xD

although I guess with the player.sendMessage

[heady spear]

Your constants are enums .-.

[cosmic raft]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2B6SZpX4AAPJPn.png:large

[austere ivy]

yes cough they are

I need constants.

[heady spear]

And then you’re just accessing inner fields

[austere ivy]

It's either enum or a class.

and tph told me to use enum >:(

[heady spear]

Why not just make them private static final fields?

[worn ember]

*3am an a friday

[austere ivy]

personally I think it's just worse than having a class called Settings

because that's what people smarter than me told me _o¬o_/

[worn ember]

well technically that would be saturday

but shh

[austere ivy]

originally I just had:

class Settings {
    static final String DEFAULT_STUFF = "Default.";
}

that kinda stuff.

[heady spear]

That is just weird. If they are truly constant, then just have them be constants.

[austere ivy]

but then someone told me to move it on over to an enum so now I have a weird enum.

but.. enums are constants o-O

[cosmic raft]

what potato told you to do that

[austere ivy]

that's what I thought lol either way kinda weird.

[heady spear]

The enum would make sense were you to populate their data on creation

Even then it’s weird

[austere ivy]

nope just constants so that if I change them I can change them in one place.

[heady spear]

Now you have to use getters

Yeah, what potato told you to that?

[austere ivy]

Chillo told me.

[static badge]

chillo retardo

cancero

[austere ivy]

hold on

[heady spear]

Who tf is chillo

And why is he allowed to give anyone advice?

[austere ivy]

https://hastebin.com/obijicotaw.rb

Goodness.

You really can't copy paste in Discord.

Just go to The Programmer's Hub and search "from TehBrian" and enum

[heady spear]

Let me beat him with a stick.

[austere ivy]

And you'll find the convo.

[static badge]

paste it here pleas

e

[austere ivy]

it's uh

kind of long

[static badge]

pls

[austere ivy]

mmmm

[heady spear]

Pasty paste bro dude brah mate

[austere ivy]

it's 100 lines

I already did do xD

https://hastebin.com/obijicotaw.rb

I mean

Want me to get some screenies o-o

[heady spear]

What the hell, how am I to read that?

My precious eyes deserve better.

[austere ivy]

OK so I zoomed out all the way so if it looks weird..

[worn ember]

spam much?

[austere ivy]

It's a long convo.

Hey they told me to paste it >:(

[worn ember]

riot

[heady spear]

Why are you spamming with pictures

What the hell dude

[austere ivy]

.. what do you want me to do D:

[worn ember]

alt+f4

[austere ivy]

that opened up System Preferences

where to now

[fringe quartz]

nice tesla kashike

[worn ember]

is it with one of those automatic keylocks?

if so, i'ma steal your car

[spice frigate]

big oof

[austere ivy]

so I dunno

[heady spear]

Kashike rich boy

[austere ivy]

enum vs class enum vs class

I'm pretty sure Kash is buying the tesla with all the paper donations

[heady spear]

Many privilege. Let’s riot and steal his valuables

[static badge]

the communist way :>

[austere ivy]

just rolling in the dough of the thousands of paper donations a minute

[worn ember]

all you need is to intercept the signal of the key and replicate it while someone keeps him busy 300m away

[cosmic raft]

not my tesla

I don'

t drive

[worn ember]

i'ma steal it anyway

[fringe quartz]

hasn't turned 15 yet

[cosmic raft]

I'm well past 15 lol

[worn ember]

i'm 21 and i dont have my drivers license

no need for it

[cosmic raft]

22, and same

[cosmic raft]

public transportation works fine

[fringe quartz]

they shoot you if you don't have a license in texas

[heady spear]

I don’t have mine either dark

Yay for dysfunctional adults

[austere ivy]

enum Constants {
    // lots of enums bla bla bla

    private Integer integer;
    private String string;

    public Integer getInt() {
        return this.integer;
    }
    Constants(Integer integer) {
        this.integer = integer;
    }
    public String getString() {
        return this.string;
    }
    Constants(String string) {
        this.string = string;
    }
}

VS

class Settings {
    final static String DEFAULT_STUFF = "WHADDUP DEFAULT";
    // lots of thos
}

[worn ember]

yes cuz standing in traffic jams is very functional

[fringe quartz]

newlines between your methods, that's your first problem

[austere ivy]

cryptite

[heady spear]

Here you can barely get a job if you don’t have a license

[austere ivy]

I did that so it wouldn't spam chat

actual

[worn ember]

here you usually get a company car

[austere ivy]

trust me :)

I gotchu no worries xD

[heady spear]

You’ve already spammed for like half an hour so like

[worn ember]

or an electric bike

[cosmic raft]

yeah that enum is garbage

[austere ivy]

I know that's what I thought.

[worn ember]

To the ranch

[austere ivy]

Plus every time I need a default I have to do Constants.DEFAULT.getString() vs just Constants.DEFAULT

begone enum

wait so why do some things like Bukkit use enums for their sounds?

[worn ember]

Intellij's code duplication feature is more annoying than helpful tbh

[stiff yarrow]

the sound ENUM includes things that doesn't exist anymore so its dangerous af

[austere ivy]

what

[cosmic raft]

uh what?

[austere ivy]

darkeye

what

actually both of you, what

[cosmic raft]

sound enum is up to date last I checked

[stiff yarrow]

?

[austere ivy]

@worn ember what code duplication feature?

[stiff yarrow]

when did it get updated, I last played with it about a month or so ago

[cosmic raft]

duplicate code warning, @austere ivy

[austere ivy]

Where's that?

[worn ember]

i wasnt ttalking about you

i'm just talking in general

[austere ivy]

What does bother me is two things.

[cosmic raft]

https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2015/08/intellij-idea-15-eap-adds-on-the-fly-code-duplicates-detection/

[austere ivy]

One:

"tHiS mEtHoD iS nEvEr uSeD" well MAYBE NOT YET SO SHUDDUP

and numero dos:

[worn ember]

isn't that an old feature?

[cosmic raft]

yes

[finite wave]

@worn ember 15

[austere ivy]

"ThIs CaN bE pRiVaTe"

like

[worn ember]

oh 2015 kappa

[austere ivy]

maybe I want everything to be public who knows

[stiff yarrow]

This was true when I last played with this ENUM about 1-1.5 months ago @cosmic raft

[finite wave]

@austere ivy Maybe you a just not following basic java principles

[worn ember]

@austere ivy great thinking. Why would you make things private when you can access them with reflection anyway

[cosmic raft]

MineCraft

[finite wave]

Maybe the IDE is more knowledgeable than you

[cosmic raft]

my god

[austere ivy]

MindCraft

good for your brain

[worn ember]

if you dont use it in a public scope it'll tell you that

[austere ivy]

"paCkAgE PriVaTe"

[finite wave]

DarkEye is a moron. He couldn’t even figure out how to use sql

[austere ivy]

ew yuck

whose this "Jahn" answering questions on TPH

[worn ember]

Except i got asynchronous queries working with 0 threadblocking 😉

[austere ivy]

glad we don't know her, right Jan?

[worn ember]

so i guess its something

[austere ivy]

haha.

[finite wave]

@austere ivy Idk

[austere ivy]

yeah me neither what a noob

glad I never have to talk to her

or

him?

not sure.

[finite wave]

I’ve been there for quite a while

Idiot

[austere ivy]

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold on here, you're telling me you're Jahn!?

No way.

[heady spear]

Why does Jan think that he can give advice smh

[worn ember]

all he does is send random crap or black snaps

[finite wave]

@heady spear Cause i actually can.. sometimes

[austere ivy]

jan

[finite wave]

@worn ember I send dick pics too*

[austere ivy]

how can I initialize my dependency injected singleton

answer pls

[worn ember]

havent seen those yet. probably too small to see

[finite wave]

@austere ivy Dick

[austere ivy]

@finite wave What?

wait are you actually mad ;c

Aikar

ahem from https://github.com/aikar/commands

[finite wave]

Ahem?

[austere ivy]

"Why does it require Java 8+?

Get off your dinosaur and get on this rocket ship!

Dinosaurs have been dead for a long time, so get off it before you start to smell.

Download Java 8"

[finite wave]

So?

[austere ivy]

https://github.com/aikar/commands#why-does-it-require-java-8

[finite wave]

Everyone is going to switch to J11 soon

[austere ivy]

Even Aikar is shaming you, zbk . . .

Yikes no wait no not that far.

I haven't gone above 8 haha.

[wide chasm]

Switch to Java 11

[finite wave]

J11 is next Lts

[wide chasm]

Is current LTS*

[austere ivy]

What's better in J11?

[golden gust]

    <properties>
        <maven.compiler.source>1.8</maven.compiler.source>
        <maven.compiler.target>1.8</maven.compiler.target>
    </properties>

[finite wave]

@wide chasm J8 is still supported though?

[wide chasm]

This is the last month iirc

[golden gust]

add that to your pom = ez

[austere ivy]

J8 is LTS.

[finite wave]

Not anymore

[golden gust]

LTS for 8 is dead/dying

[finite wave]

It will get thrown down the drain

J11 will be the next LTS once J8 LTS stops soon

[limber knot]

who cares as long as MC is still on 8? 🤔

[austere ivy]

Minecraft is still on Java 7 lol

[finite wave]

No

[golden gust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history

[acoustic pilot]

Presumably there is still unofficial LTS

[wide chasm]

Java 11 and Java 8 are currently both LTS and Java 8 LTS will be dropped somewhere for some people

[limber knot]

"At least September 2023 for AdoptOpenJDK"

[cosmic raft]

Minecraft is on 8, @austere ivy

[acoustic pilot]

Like AdoptOpenJDK

[finite wave]

@wide chasm Stfu

[limber knot]

J11 only supported until Sept 2022

[finite wave]

❤️

[wide chasm]

😦

[austere ivy]

I don't tink so Kash..

think*

Is it just Tekkit then?

Because last I remember Tekkit Launch was a pain to use since you had to specify 7 or something.

[cosmic raft]

I know what I'm talking about :p

[austere ivy]

Doesn't Minecraft come packaged with it's own version of J7?

[cosmic raft]

no

[austere ivy]

Maybe that was a while ago haha.

[wide chasm]

No Java 8 currently

[static badge]

it packages a 2 year out of date java

[golden gust]

Mojang bumped to 8 in 1.12 or something

[limber knot]

and it's not their own version, they just package a specific one

[austere ivy]

Oh okay good.

[acoustic pilot]

Looks like JDK 8 for OpenJ9 isn't expected to be supported beyond Sept 2019. 😦

[golden gust]

Paper has been 1.8 for a goood while now

[limber knot]

(iirc because of OpenGL issues or something=

[cosmic raft]

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_1.12#General_2

[wide chasm]

Spigot is some weird hybrid between "mandatory Java 8, but we keep some stuff Java 7" and MC is full on Java 8.

[limber knot]

"not updating code just to update it" makes sense imo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere ivy]

hold up zbk

teach me your ways please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history

@void void yeah

and uh @whoever else said that Java 8 was losing lts

J8 is geting LTS till March 2025

J11 is getting LTS till September 2026

Not too far off.

Aso, thanks zbk.

[cosmic raft]

Extended support

[wide chasm]

March 2025 is only extended support though

[cosmic raft]

End of public is 2020

[austere ivy]

oh.

ow xD

Yikes xD

[void void]

rekt

[austere ivy]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite wave]

Whos this Parse guy

[austere ivy]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gloomy warren]

for(int i = 15; i < 18; i++) { ... }?

[acoustic pilot]

for (int i = 15; i < 18; ++i) ?

[limber knot]

I just have, what I hope is a quick question. I'm playing on a server running Paper and we are having a problem with idle minecarts despawning. The event is regular and is in loaded chunks. The minecart can be on rails or off rails. Is this a setting that can be adjusted? or is this a bug (known?)?

[acoustic pilot]

Python doesn't have traditional for loops, which is why it uses a generator for that behavior.

[austere ivy]

Yeah, it only has enhanced for loops.

[austere ivy]

Which in Java, an enhanced for loop would be like for (String string : stringArray)

And I think that Python only has those, so it would be equivalent to doing an int array?

[acoustic pilot]

(note if you're still using Python 2.x, you should be using xrange)

[austere ivy]

(which you should not be using Python 2.x)

[acoustic pilot]

But range is fine on Python 3, it's a generator

[fallow panther]

I'm certainly not a bot. At least I don't think I'm a bot. LOL.

[austere ivy]

Can we kick lukei for being a bot?

🔨

[fallow panther]

Ha! Beep boop

[austere ivy]

THAT RIGHT THERE WE'VE GOT HIM BOYS

[finite wave]

@void void same as C

[austere ivy]

what about D, Jan?

[acoustic pilot]

It's not equivalent to an int array, because range is a generator.

[austere ivy]

Oh. Yeah, I guess it's like in Java with an iterator?

maybe?

🤷

[finite wave]

?

[austere ivy]

What about D?

[finite wave]

Stfu

[acoustic pilot]

Equivalent to a Java iterator that produces results on-demand, yes.

[austere ivy]

Or are you not really familiar with it

https://dlang.org

not kidding it's an actual thing.

[golden gust]

Only a bot would say that they're not a bot

[finite wave]

for (;;){TehBrian.shutUp();}

[fallow panther]

That's interesting. I asked my question initially in the IRC channel and it showed up here with the bot tag. Cool. Anyway, I'll ask my question in the help section. Sorry for being in the wrong channel.

[austere ivy]

Wait.. so I AM a bot?

Would that make me not a bot then? o-O

[finite wave]

It should stop u from talking

Infinite loop

So stfu

[austere ivy]

shouldn't you just do while (true)

[finite wave]

for(;;) is the same

[austere ivy]

huh, interesting. thanks.

Zbk, with getRegisteredRootcommands

I'm a bit lost on how you would make pages and stuff with this. Would you just go 1-10 for page 1, 11-20 for page 2, that kind of thing?

Also would you have to dependency inject to get it into the command

ok thanks that'd be great

[finite wave]

@worn ember

[worn ember]

mine is prettier

[vestal jasper]

L

[finite wave]

It’s actually Megh

[austere ivy]

http://i.imgur.com/AhOC3wd.gifv

[limber knot]

some of these deaths could've been avoided by just reacting to what happens...

[finite wave]

@void void Of which object

[limber knot]

you mean the Java method or...?

[acoustic pilot]

Assuming a collection. size() returns the number of elements in the collection

If the collection is empty, why would it return 1?

[limber knot]

just select the method and press ctrl+q xD

[acoustic pilot]

Cool, don't see how that's related though

Size is # of elements in collection

Has nothing to do with indices.

[austere ivy]

WHATJPAGD'FGP[-OB

I NEEDED THSI

[limber knot]

it's an index, not a place...

[austere ivy]

This is pretty great thanks Zbk.

Never thought about thinking of the size beforehand.

arrays start at 2

change my mind

[limber knot]

.lart TehBrian

forces TehBrian to learn the Win32 API.

ouch

[austere ivy]

.lart TehBrian

[limber knot]

squeezes habanero pepper juice into TehBrian's tub of vaseline.

[austere ivy]

._.

[golden gust]

At the moment you say start at 2, only the trigger happys care to react, we just think you're stupid and move on

[austere ivy]

.lart zbk

[limber knot]

fills zbk's eyedrop bottle with lime juice.

[golden gust]

Whiiich, to be fair, we've already done

[austere ivy]

Yeah, I'm immune to that now.

Also I'm pretty sure if I say something sarcastic it.. seems sarcastic haha xD

Come to think of it all my humor works great on programmerhumor. I should post there once haha xD

[acoustic pilot]

Probably because 80% of ProgrammerHumor is garbage.

[austere ivy]

Nevermind all they do there is bad UI :(

To be fair, yeah. Sometimes it's jokes that are like..

.. anyone with a computer knows this. it's not funny.

[acoustic pilot]

Probably 50% cringe, 50% reposts.

[austere ivy]

They've gotten a bit better I think.

[acoustic pilot]

They really haven't.

[austere ivy]

I dunno.

I mean I'm OK with that.

It's nice when it's 2 in the morning and you're procrastinating trying to figure out why theres an "Internal server error."

Easy on the brain, requires minimal thinking. Kind of like facebook lol, just scroll and scroll, endless feed of Tasty and 5 MINUTE DIY HACK LIFE THINGS

[finite wave]

Sigfault or segmentation error

[acoustic pilot]

Facebook is also garbage, so that's not really supporting the idea that ProgrammerHumor isn't 😃

[austere ivy]

^ :D

Like I mean reading it right now most posts seems fine to me.

This is not, this makes no sense.

But yeah, so many reposts.

This is so so so commonly reposted and it's garbage.

It's a never-ending cycle of "JAVA IS BAD" no "PHP IS BAD" no "JAVASCRIPT IS BAD" and back around.

It would be nice if there was like "Syntax Saturday" where it's exclusively only jokes that are code

Like heck is this:

That's not even programming.

I mean I guess but that's more hardware type stuff.

If it was code it would be 2b || !2b

But some things like this I appreciate haha

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic pilot]

Yes, you would appreciate low-effort, cringe posts.

[austere ivy]

Yes yes yes I would :)

I mean it's easy scrolling lol. You just scroll, say "haha I can relate to that I'm so smart" and scroll to the next.

Hi there.

I was reading a java 3D engine type tutorial and I came across this comment.

Thank you kekball very informative and helpful.

[true canyon]

Quality

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mobaxterm is real quality

[vestal jasper]

They're online for me

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his potato lost internet

forgot to bake it and decorate it with bacon

[true canyon]

Ooh bacon

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.g status.mojang.com

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(DiscordBot) https://help.mojang.com/ -- Mojang | Portal: "Mojang · Mojang Support. English, Português (Brazil), Svenska. English ... Mojang Accounts · Migrating from Minecraft to Mojang · Account ... Service..."

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.g diseased leaf

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/fungal-spots/leaf-spot-shade.aspx -- Leaf Spot Diseases of Shade Trees and Ornamentals: "Leaf spot is a common descriptive term applied to a number of diseases affecting the foliage of ornamentals and shade trees. The majority of leaf..."

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2

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sorry there are probably pics of you and your family in there

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ur literally retarded

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accidental dox

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watch

.g z750 disease

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(DiscordBot) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29780382 -- Extracellular Purine Metabolism Is the Switchboard of ...: "Apr 27, 2018 ... ... Metabolism Is the Switchboard of Immunosuppressive Macrophages and a Novel Target to Treat Diseases With Macrophage Imbalances."

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yeah see

idk what any of that medical jargon means but ur cancer and that page proves it

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thats describing how to fight disease

which makes sense

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2

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because I fight your cancer

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literally ur a disease

if I had two cents for every braincell you had I'd have four cents

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if I had one cent for every cancerous spot on you

Id have ones of dollars

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you'd have nothing

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be like $100

cuz ur all cancer

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2

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3

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you said you'd have ones of dollars

aka dollars in the range [1, 9]

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ye its $100 in one dollar bills

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but now ur saying 100

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100 1's

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that's out of range by ur own definition

2 u can't escape this

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Hmm. i was pinged, but too lazy to check scrollback.

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u were caught being retarded

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I think ur cancer is eating the last of your leaf brain cells

ur pretty dum 2day even 4 u

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to be fair ur caught being retarded everytime you speak

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just continuing the downward spiral I gues

[acoustic pilot]

Hm, I wonder. Is @somber mirage the real Ice? 😛

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at least am not a leaf

it is

or it was

[acoustic pilot]

Nice

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likely not

[acoustic pilot]

Cause he joined the Discord yesterday or was it earlier today

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ice is a pretty edgy name

and generic

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there's been an ice in the discord before that was the legit one

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lots of edgy boys on the internet

[acoustic pilot]

I'm guessing it is because I recently spoke to Ice over Telegram

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I never marked down his id or uuid or anything

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hm so it could be

[somber mirage]

What can I say to prove it

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what's the legacy of Ice

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better than leafs

all he needs

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2 ur literally the most retarded person on this planet

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wow

#1 bb

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if u could be labeled as one

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woot

[acoustic pilot]

@somber mirage What's the best Minecraft version of all time?

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2 braincells might not make human

[somber mirage]

1.8 built on top of 1.7

[acoustic pilot]

Yep, that's Ice.

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the correct answer is 1.7.3 beta

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hm the real Ice

wat was ur legacy

u seem important

[acoustic pilot]

He's back 😄

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ice comes back every season

every winter*

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wow

every season

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2

ur infecting me

[slim nymph]

were gonna need a gist proof that says 'LEAFS SUCK'

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nothing like that summer ice

[somber mirage]

https://gist.github.com/Iceee/ddcd4a4e0a51505513f54a82fff4f449

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how bout i take all the ice in the world and drop it on u

[acoustic pilot]

LOL

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fucking demolished

[slim nymph]

D:

[somber mirage]

❤

[slim nymph]

this github profile has nothing on it

[acoustic pilot]

That's the real Ice GH, for sure 😃

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must've nuked something somewhere

[somber mirage]

Most of what I did that I wanted to be made public I gave to Byte or Z

Byte would always take it and make it better

[acoustic pilot]

The cannoning patch was scrapped after 1.9+ though because nobody wanted to maintain it after you went MIA 😛

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more like rewrite it

[somber mirage]

Interesting

What would happen if it came back?

[slim nymph]

youd maybe encourage some crappy factions servers to update and help rid us of 1.8?

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i'd suspect you'd have to maintain it urself

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah I think it would def encourage 1.8 servers to update 😛

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nobody round here seems interested :>

[slim nymph]

noone here knows wtf it should be