the sphere model is pretty bad
#general
heady spear
The orbital model is probably my favorite
unreal quarry
biggest difference between E8 and ST is ST everything is made of "tiny rubberbands" while in E8 everything is made up of 8 dimensional spheres (but we only see in 3D so we only ever see a part of the true picture)
heady spear
it's a mixture of the shell model, and some quantum mechanics 😛
worn ember
my brain hurts
wide chasm
I think we learned the orbital model, that's the one with the different layers and every layer having like a max. capacity of electrons right?
heady spear
That's the shell model :p
The orbital model describes different wave functions, and how they overlap to form different geometries
using the valence shell electron pair repulsion theory
unreal quarry
oh, and E8 doesnt break down in 12 dimensions like ST does. they've gone up to 200 something dimension last i checked and nothing broke. potentially limitless
limber knotBOT
Try to explain electron excitement and energy absorption causing higher "orbits" with a wave model to normal people
wide chasm
Oh, I thought it was just because the electrons in the shells orbit around the centre, it'd be called the orbital model.
ancient bolt
coworker just asked me if I've worked with lombok before
debating whether I should
.lombok
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
worn ember
why care about physics in the real world when you can create them however you want in a virtual world?
ancient bolt
her
limber knotBOT
lol
worn ember
assuming genders?
heady spear
@wide chasm
The orbital model is basically a hybrid between the probability and spatial shell model
the electronium model is the new model, it's wild 😛
Or generally, the orbitals are entirely probabilistic, so I guess it's just a submodel of the probability model
wide chasm
Wait, I'm confused. We did learn about electrons moving around the centre, but also about different shells, which model would that be? Since the shell model states that the electrons are fixed in place.
worn ember
its friday jeez chill with the math homework
heady spear
It's imo the best model for describing bond geometry
The Bohr model :p
I think? It includes shells, and also energy states
wide chasm
So the Bohr model is a sort of mix of orbital and shell?
heady spear
It's a very simplistic model though
The Borh model is very good at describing physical interactions with matter
But it doesn't account for hybridization, and is therefore kind of crappy when it comes to chemistry
limber knotBOT
Dude don't bogart that joint.
wide chasm
We aren't going that far with Chemistry, so the Bohr modle is good enough for me.
heady spear
The Bohr model is the most commonly used in high school physics, I think
which might change if the electronium model becomes more popular
wide chasm
At least it's better than: "There are electrons around the centre, somewhere, we're not gonna give anymore details" which we learned in the 8th/9th grade or something.
heady spear
that explanation is probably better at the Bohr model, if we're going to try to explain how it is really is 😛
I like to think of the electrons like a probability cloud surrounding the nucelus, where the orbitals describe where the electron would be the most likely to appear
unreal quarry
tries to google electronium model, gets info on cryptocurrencies
wide chasm
Yes, but then you'd get into quantum mechanics, which we don't get in chemistry (we do in physics, though).
heady spear
with a hybridized state the electrons have a higher energy state, and would therefore have a different wave function
which explains why the orbital changes
You can't really have chemistry without quantum mechanics 😛
wide chasm
For high school you can.
heady spear
We briefly touched on it in high school
I took a whole lot more chemistry in high school than most people though :<
woven otter
you could say that chemistry is abstraction of quantum mechanical interactions
wide chasm
The only quantum mechanics we got was Heisenberg uncertainty principle, electron in one dimensional box or something and small stuff teleporting around the place like they're using /teleport.
heady spear
many chemical phenomena are way too macroscopic to be described why quantum mechanics, at least accurately
I mean, it all boils down to it
but it gets messy
woven otter
yeah it's insane
heady spear
You generally tend to think about chemical compounds as an abstraction on top of quantum mechanics
otherwise shit like steric hindrance would be horrible to explain
Then you get quantum tunneling where the particles get negative kinetic energy and suddenly you're dealing with imaginary units
fuck that shit
woven otter
sounds like a lot of fun 😄
heady spear
But for shit like mri and nmr, where you depend on the spin of the particles
worn ember
@slim nymph i found your youtube
wide chasm
Hey quantum tunneling I read that somewhere in my physics book and instantly forgot about it.
heady spear
It's one of the coolest quantum effects lol
unreal quarry
he drinks 5 hour 😛
woven otter
same goes for quantum entanglement
heady spear
Quantum entanglement is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo weird though
Like tunneling? sure, the particles just forget there's an obstacle
but entanglement? nah, mate
finite wave
@unreal quarry He just bought monsters
woven otter
and how 1 particle can act as a wave and interfere with itself
wide chasm
Maybe, but quantum mechanics is pretty abstract. For quantum tunneling I usually think the following: Electrons can pass through the openings between single atoms, since they're smaller and sometimes you hit the actual element and it can't pass through, causing the randomness.
It's wrong, yes, but it should be good enough for my test 😃
heady spear
Well, there isn't really an "opening". There's empty space, but the electrons would still exist in that space
along with everywhere else in the universe, really
unreal quarry
does it pass the double slit test, though?
wide chasm
Well if I have a connection between say a H atom and a O atom there's distance between their cores, they aren't touching. Which is what I mean with the opening.
heady spear
quantum tunneling and double slit intereference aren't mutually exclusive :p
wave-particle duality 😄
"Well if I have a connection between say a H atom and a O atom there's distance between their cores, they aren't touching. Which is what I mean with the opening."
there is a sigma bond between the atoms, which means that there's an electron probability cloud occupying the area
worn ember
@wide chasm how'd you get moderator here too 
how much money did you put under the table
heady spear
I mean, obviously not near the nucleus as the energy provided would be great enough where the bond would be broken
wide chasm
@worn ember None, actually
worn ember
oof
woven otter
@worn ember just try nagging @upper flicker alot
heady spear
the cloud is basically a wave function, interacting = it collapses = you can't pass
worn ember
Z is my bro pall buddy
wide chasm
So, it's basically you hope the probability cloud favors you and let's you pass?
heady spear
I would be a horrible physics teacher
worn ember
you'd be a horrible teacher*
wide chasm
You're better than my physics teacher actually, so keep going
worn ember
well actually being a horrible teacher, you'd make a great teacher
worn ember
drink some coffee to negate its effect
woven otter
why are you taking sleeping pills 🤔
worn ember
what could go wrong
heady spear
because my thyroid doesn't want me to sleep
woven otter
i see
worn ember
bash your head against the wall till the light goes out
woven otter
bash your wall against the head till the out goes light
heady spear
if you think about the electrons purely as the wave function
then tunneling isn't that weird
they can be at one place, then the wave function collapses on the other side of the boundary
without interacting
and then you've tunneled :p
not correct either
but at least it doesn't give you an headache
wide chasm
What I'm confused about on the wave-particle duality thing, is when does something decide to be a particle and when is it a wave? Are there any rules for when it chooses to be one or the other?
cosmic raft
a few days ago, yes
tropic flame
not a few days ago, yesterday it was still on the bottom
heady spear
"What I'm confused about on the wave-particle duality thing, is when does something decide to be a particle and when is it a wave? Are there any rules for when it chooses to be one or the other?"
it's both, really. When interacting the wave function collapses and it tends to behave like a particle
cosmic raft
for you :p
tropic flame
ok
woven otter
it's weird af
wide chasm
So it's a wave by default, but when it interacts it's a particle?
worn ember
i remember it being at the bottom
heady spear
that's why when you "observe" an electron, it suddenly looks like it's a particle. You need to interact with something, in order to observe it
brazen adder
hello, i got this message but when i tp there is nothing i just tp in the air and i dont spot any wrong chests etc Loading Oversized Chunk! (ServerMap - 2352,-31) Go clean it up to remove this message. /minecraft:tp 37632 128 -496 - DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - You may ask for help on Discord, but do not file an issue. These error messages can not be removed.
heady spear
until you interact with it, its position is indeterminable
woven otter
and then quantum eraser experiment
heady spear
it's easier if you just accept it tbh xD
tropic flame
mfw i'm running a windows 7 vm with 966mb of ram
wide chasm
But I thought every particle had a wave-particle duality. Wouldn't then everything be a wave? And since everything is wave, nothing interacts and everything stays a wave.
Yes, accepting is easier, but less fun.
heady spear
everything sort of is
everything has a wavelength associated with it
look up de broglie waves
and de broglie wavelengths 😛
You could use it to find your own wavelength, if you wanted to 🤷
Your total energy is mainly your kinetic energy plus your gravitational energy
take plancks constant times the speed of light, divide it by your energy and then you're a wave
I mean, that's the formula for the photon, but it's close enough
unreal quarry
woven otter
tbh the journey we as a human race had to go through to be at this point in physics is fucking insane
unreal quarry
eyes tear up as he remembers all those dead stars
heady spear
for some physics exam I had to calculate the change in frequency of a baseball when it was moving through the air
using it's de broglie wavelength
worn ember
My black hole consumes all
@woven otter if people were as smart as me we'd be 1000 years further in evolution (and probably extinct too)
woven otter
speaking about that.
Here's a thought experiment: imagine how day to day life would be if everyone would act and think like you
worn ember
probably dead
in the early years religion was used to opress people, so generating cash for the lords/kings. who they'd use to wage war with
and war -> technological advancement
why would you innovate without purpose?
woven otter
I guess religion had some sort of benefits in the past
quasi valley
it made a majority of the population not wanting to kill themselves
nowadays its just... there for the most part
finite wave
@quasi valley Well
It gave purpose where there were none
Now
Its as you said
Just something people do
Idk
I’m not religious
unreal quarry
woven otter
hehe
worn ember
blame the christians
woven otter
The earth is flat btw
void void
unreal quarry
lmao mikro
void void
hmm should i go to sleep like a sane person
or
start debugging why citizens and paper's entity tracker don't play with eachother nicely
kinda wanna fix that issue but then again i have to get up at 7am
unreal quarry
its friday night. stay up 😉
void void
almost midnight
jolly violet
im eating a salmon
limber knotBOT
☑ The Rekt Side Story
jolly violet
yeah we dont do that here
void void
wtf
C/C++ to V
400 KB compiler with zero dependencies
highly inspired by Go as i see 🤔
finite wave
I should learn C and C++
worn ember
outdated languages, learn Q#
void void
C outdated? lol?
static badge
C is god tier wtf
worn ember
ofc i was
void void
a new player is breaking torches in a radius of like 3 blocks around him, is there a cheating mod that does that?
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void void
here, nuker hack
finite wave
You can specify blacklists and whitelists + radius in some clients
So most likely what he is using
worn ember
is breaking torches illegal now?
upper flicker
they made a language just for their weird chat client program
austere ivy
/r/watchpeopledie is banned.
upper flicker
oh discord
void void
no but he does it without doing anything
upper flicker
thanks love
void void
they just break around him
austere ivy
Just thought you wanted to know since I heard some people talking about that.
finite wave
@austere ivy only on phone
worn ember
new subreddit, who dis
austere ivy
I don't think so Jan
it's not quarantined anymore
I'm on my laptop right now
it's flat out banned.
austere ivy
Nope.
finite wave
It was cool
austere ivy
what
worn ember
finite wave
Lol
woven delta
unreal quarry
Lynx is my fav web browser
worn ember
Anyone got some mediocre plugin idea's? i want to get back into it but i find nothing interesting (or something that doesnt take 5 months) to make
i already made a clearchat
unreal quarry
you know how essentials has /kittycannon? well, make /nyancannon which is the same thing, but with rainbow particle trails behind it
finite wave
Lol
knotty moth
worn ember
I wish they'd add ACF by default to the minecraft developer plugin xD
finite wave
Do it yourself
worn ember
wym?
static badge
wat
upper flicker
As much as everyone likes to treat reddit, YouTube, and friends as open and chill places to post and say whatever, they’re still companies, bad PR will kill them
Usually we just see it out of YouTube
That guys video going all over and mentioning all these online sites kinda screwed them
austere ivy
Anyone else make sometimes unnecessary changes (like wording changes) to make them all blue before you commit?
void void
no
cosmic raft
no
woven otter
help i'm stuck in a minecraft bed
void void
because commiting with messages like "did stuff" and "*" and "changes" is dumb
woven otter
how do I get out
austere ivy
😠
Excuse you but my blue is better than you and your "code has to do something useful."
I personally keep a // IncrementedBlue: 1 in their as a line just so I can increment that whenever I need a change.
/s
gloomy warren
Sorry, but changing unnecessary stuff in a class for adding it to a git commit is shit. You have a version system with incremental steps, commits should be small and should only contain the changed things.
static badge
Brian is simply a god in terms of jebating the fuck out of everyone
He will go down in history books as the greatest baiter of our time period
gloomy warren
It's like "Let me take the system and make the dumpest possible shit with it."
lapis shale
hey guys, can you help me with something simple really quick?
gloomy warren
Don't ask to ask?
unreal quarry
helps @lapis shale pick up smoking habit
lapis shale
Fair enough- what can I do to fix the startup message https://pastebin.com/b9UytL41
unreal quarry
your villages file is broke
lapis shale
can I regenerate it?
unreal quarry
doubtful
lapis shale
oof
unreal quarry
you could delete it, but i think then villages wont work correctly
lapis shale
can I copy the seed on a local server and then replace the file?
unreal quarry
it grows with the regions
you'd have to use the same seed and generate the same chunks again
lapis shale
erm- is there any other practical way to fix this?
unreal quarry
this is why backups are strongly encouraged. i'm unaware of any kind of fixer for these files
austere ivy
do you guys not know what /s means?
gloomy sphinx
/spawn?
unreal quarry
limber knotBOT
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unreal quarry
i didnt think anyone actually ever fell for that, even kids...
static badge
LUL
lapis shale
I fixed it. Generating a world with the same seed and drag/drop worked
golden gust
You can technically just delete the file, you'll need to rediscover the villages for them to be added back to the file, but it should work fine outside of some mechanics like farming needing to be set back up or whatever people do these days
merry talon
IDEA removes unused imports when I reformat code, but this new install of WebStorm doesn't
is there a setting for that? I can't find it
ancient bolt
optimize imports on the fly
i think
oh when you reformat
idk it should do it by default
maybe webstorm can't do that
main ivy
static badge
I've looked through settings but importing shit will optimize imports
any way to turn that the fuck off that's pretty annoying to deal with for paper dev
ancient bolt
fuck my cat just scratched me
ancient bolt
yeah i think npm (kind of) got it's act together, at least enough that yarn isn't needed anymore
still shit compared to maven
upper flicker
I still use yarn out of principle
void void
yeah node_modules is dumb
merry talon
oh it just shows it in the npm tab
upper flicker
unless the npm people are now the yarn people
merry talon
I prefer yarn greatly
ancient bolt
I prefer not working in js land greatly
void void
why not?
merry talon
oh nice
ancient bolt
kotlin needs a functionality to do an "all non-null" check
void void
what would that look like?
ancient bolt
no idea lol
static badge
if (null(x, y, z)) ?
merry talon
so this is when I give up on my days of work with node
static badge
just use x86-64 assembly dude
cosmic raft
yeah, i use yarn too
gloomy warren
Or use an Esp32 for your web stuff and write it in c++
static badge
2 ur dum
upper flicker
thanks u2 bb
upper flicker
saying someone is cyberbullying you
is itself cyberbullying
so please stop cyberbullying me
static badge
wtf no
i get to decide
i write the arbitrary rules
i decide how they get interpreted
not u
static badge
no
static badge
pls yes
ancient bolt
upper flicker
try {
...
} catch (e: Any) {
}
Any isn't Throwable you dumb fuck
upper flicker
idek if you can use any in that block or if kotlin gets mad
well I dont have any kotlin projects open
wasnt going to open one to see if it checked
ancient bolt
I mean that's a java limitation
ancient bolt
ur just dum lol
ancient bolt
this is so fucking stupid https://github.com/minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev/issues/530
attributes the error to my plugin
literally just their IDE is fucked or w/e
All I'm doing is calling FileTemplateManager.getInstance(project)
ancient bolt
yeah
since I'm in the stacktrace
I think there's time when intellij is smarter about that for certain scenarios?
I've seen my code in stacktraces attributed to IDEA Core
upper flicker
I thought their internal one was relatively smart
ancient bolt
but usually I think it's just a dumb package name match
upper flicker
but maybe that was a wrong assumption on my part
ancient bolt
For the most part when they are submitted they seem valid
and then there's https://github.com/minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev/issues/497
where literally none of it is my code
but the error is explicitly marked as a plugin error
ah fuck wrong channel
jolly violet
the official bedrock server software is a race horse and then there's pocketmine and nukkit, certified snail garbage
with no redstone, no mob AI, and piss slow chunk loading (the official one kills it in loading chunks)
feels horrible
ancient bolt
huh, shows how important triage is
after several hours of triage, down to 26 open bugs on mcdev
jolly violet
does anyone understand why mojang refuses to support server-side plugins lol
static badge
because they'd have to compete with bukkit
they'd lose honestly :>
and why bother if people are going to make shit for them
coarse urchin
Implement bukkit into vanilla
Boom fixed 
jolly violet
eh i mean bukkit is just a hat on top of their decompiled code anyway
the bedrock server impls are steaming shit though
third party ones i mean
coarse urchin
Its still on alpha if that makes you feel better...
coarse urchin
It is, yes
golden gust
More effort required for bedrock, really; and your options are really mostly the php one if that supports bedrock, and the nukkit fork, which, bukkit...
jolly violet
yeah there's a PHP one and a Java one
both are missing like half of minecraft's features
and perform worse than java edition
W10 edition just feels way better than java edition
coarse urchin
PaperBedrock when eta™
jolly violet
is it even possible for a java or a php implementation to perform like the official alpha server thing?
golden gust
java, I'd imagine would be doable reasonably, just boils down to the implementation
coarse urchin
Its still missing basic commands.
Has /kick but not /ban like wtf
jolly violet
bedrock?
jolly violet
idc about that really
coarse urchin
And you cant use /whitelist ingame
jolly violet
i was able to
jolly violet
i seriously hope a team of not goats makes a java impl for bedrock that just blows everything out of the water 😛
bedrock is basically in a state of chungus
paper fractal
limber knotBOT
sorry xD
orchid pelican
been debuging this code and relized 30 minutes later that i forgot to initialize it
wow
ride of emotions right there
fallen oracle
Nice
orchid pelican
do i run a lot of if arraylist contains string or do i run a lot of KMP if string contains this string?
like first one is like 100 times and the seccond is maybe 20 - 30
jolly violet
i found an unreleased episode of the walking dead
except in this one, they scream like banshees facing the light
cosmic raft
jolly violet
limber knotBOT
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upper flicker
that show is the realiziation of its namesake
jolly violet
they all slowly crawl out into the streets screaming
completely next level hollywood
upper flicker
I watched a newer one
the son kid whatever got shot in the face, lost his eye, couple of nights of rest and rudimentary bandaging later, he's fine
really sums up the later seasons
cosmic raft
lol
upper flicker
good thing, looming threat, bad thing, face threat, very bad thing, move to next space
upper flicker
I stopped watching long before then
cosmic raft
that's the episode where he loses his eye though
upper flicker
yeah I stopped before and I noticed it was on one day and wanted to see if they got out of that cycle
spoiler alert, naaaaaah
you were right before, first 3, 4 or so seasons were the good ones
static badge
eye didn't see that coming
cosmic raft
yup
jolly violet
well anyway, idk if anyone realized i was memeing but
static badge
yeah I wonder why
jolly violet
failed meme
cosmic raft
jolly violet
reteena
yeah so the video is actually not a walking dead episode
it's an actual cop shooting
lul
jolly violet
not me, look at that shit comin down the street sounding like the grave
a full blown pack
they sit on the curb and roll around screaming
it's always about drugs and drug warrants
static badge
considering I need drugs to even remotely understand what you're talking about yes
need to invent a fourth fucking dimension honestly
static badge
you need 2+ braincells to have dimensions
jolly violet
oh i have dimensions
static badge
cosmic raft
jolly violet
gloomy warren
#meme? 😛
upper flicker
for you, yes
cosmic raft
- no kotlin shit
upper flicker
Im not worried about what language its in
Im worried about him submitting 9/11 simulator MC edition
cosmic raft
mfw
upper flicker
its aero
golden gust
I could imagine aero accidentally creating some crazy if statement that leads to AI and taking over humanity
jolly violet
its just kotlin
it uses Aikar's precious completable future get chunk methods to get some chunks, then it delicately grabs the byte array inside, then it fucks it all up and dispatches them in a barrage of waves at a client
they crash within 10 seconds usually
it's fun
and i added flavor!
wait lemme get the flavor
it doesn't surrender until the client is on the ground
flavor 
i call it Bitchspray
from a marketing standpoint, Bitchspray is a godsend. all the kiddies will wanna fuck people with it
holy shit this chicken is TOUGH
cosmic raft
it isn't chicken
jolly violet
i think it is...
its 2 am and i was hungry so i found chicken
goddamn
your registration emails go to junk btw
oh I can't make a new topic
@cosmic raft make me able to post, I have drugs to share with the community
thanks
mortal imp
hey so
sorry for noob question
but can some smart person explain specifically why everyone roasts fastasyncworldedit, like a technical reason. everyone just says "thread safety" without anything specific. It seems like it works most of the time (I don't use it on production, just on build environments), but curious to know a technical explanation as to why everyone hates it.
always wondered 👀
gloomy warren
The first issue with fawe is: They fork WorldEdit and hacks the sourcecode instead of patching WorldEdit.
There are many unchecked world operations. I have a server, used FAWE for 2 years, now there are a lot of light bugs, either light without a source or complete darkness.
jolly violet
There's something to be said about a spray that solves all your problems, but I haven't the eloquence to say it.
https://papermc.io/forums/t/bitchspray-the-only-companion-youll-ever-need/616
green edge
is there any way to make a class extend another class during runtime (thought about reflection)
jolly violet
are you trying to avoid importing it or something
green edge
i want both multiple version support and importing avoiding
golden gust
Doesn't that burger library do that?
green edge
if that doesn't work i guess i can make a feature to compile classes during runtime
jolly violet
honestly BKCL is spooky to figure out
green edge
and then replace the old class with the new one automatically
golden gust
There was some tool that some guy had that would basically end up compiling new classes at runtime, if it's for personal use and you wanna look into Mixins, there is Orion
jolly violet
oh a big boy
golden gust
(Well, actually, Orion would make you version specific)
green edge
also, i'd avoid adding too many libraries
since there are lots of plugins that consist more of libraries than of the plugin itself
i'm currently thinking of seeing if i can compile at runtime
so i can extend a class, override the method and then replace it automatically
jolly violet
you can either do it the BKCL way (which does require updating each patch anyway, typically, due to the quantity of classes he accesses) or use reflection/lambdametafactories
extending is more for creating version-specific submodules
e.g. you have wrappers that you update
jolly violet
yeah you have to import it. just use reflection to get at the fields and methods you need
green edge
and replace the superclass with the new one
jolly violet
if you are extending something, your class is not a superclass
unless you break it down even further
gloomy warren
You want to replace NMS code with your own at runtime?
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green edge
well, i'll replace the superclass object with my own class object
so i'll have
MyClass extends superClass
@Override
overridemethod();
General gist is that yes, you technically could do that, but you're not really saving yourself from version specific stuff anyways, as you're going to have to deal with mappings, etc
green edge
the idea is to do it at runtime
since i can just get the nms class name
i can make a class that overrides nms.superclass
i'd just have to do a engine to generate the code
golden gust
You'd also need to deal with mappings, the names don't generally change across versions, but method names and behavior does
*names of classes don't
golden gust
saves you from importing it, doesn't save you from version specifics, however
limber knotBOT
Project Travertine build #89: SUCCESS in 58 sec: https://papermc.io/ci/job/Travertine/89/
gloomy warren
you could pack your version specific code in one jar file per version, extract it at runtime (depending on your server version) and load it with the classloader
golden gust
I erm... 2fa... killed my install a few weeks ago... crap.
gloomy warren
And cat - the Travertine github messages are in #paper-github, not #waterfall-github
golden gust
Yea, I noticed, need to go check if I can fix that/bug somebody
void void
chrome leaf
native thunder
I downloaded bitchspray to decompile since your page told me shit all. God kotlin does not like decompilers
fallen oracle
You did what now
finite wave
@native thunder Kotlin looks like absolute shit dexomoiled
void void
dapper tinsel
uneven blaze
wind mauve
Blue is an interesting look o.o
quasi valley
But it's not neon pink... :8
sharp sentinel
Ooh how does the image show under the guild name?
Is that the invite background image? Or a different setting?
heady spear
It's only available for verified servers
sharp sentinel
Mine's verified, but I don't have an invite background image set
So I'm wondering if I should make one
heady spear
Is verification and the Open source community thing the same?
heady spear
Oh right. And the PR just adds you to that random list on their website?
heady spear
It is snowing :<
void void
use google?
gusty idol
Can anyone help me in #paper-dev?
cedar spade
I think it's a different setting for the invite banner and the sidebar one
At least, that's the impression I got from the docs I saw
cosmic raft
@sharp sentinel if you don't have the option to set it, then it might not be rolled out to you yet
it also doesn't look like you're fully verified o.O
limber knotBOT
Thinking about using rsync to backup the world dir. Can this be while players are playing? Not sure if rsync is stateless or not.
void void
TRIGGERED
void void
wide chasm
"PaperSpigot" triggered
limber knotBOT
@wide chasm [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
wide chasm
Yes I know bot, thanks
worn ember
xD
void void
PaperSpigot 
limber knotBOT
@void void [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
tropic flame
PaperSpig0t
worn ember
what hosting company do you recommend for a cheap pre-setup mc server? Just something for me and some friends
tropic flame
done
native helm
Use Apex where Paper is the default server version 😉
We have 2k servers running paper rn
worn ember
killing entities
green edge
not really zbk
void void
Limits tnt explosions
green edge
also done by spigot ^
tnt-per-tick setting
and provide a false sense of safety
and annoy players when their items dissapear just as they are dropped
green edge
^
tropic flame
@void void ClearLag has a feature that basically stops new chunks from being generated - although you could just use WorldBorder
so
green edge
async paper world gen
tropic flame
and even then, the feature is broken in 1.9+
green edge
and additionally i wouldn't risk that on my server
it's too aggresive and nothing is going to load so many chunks as to lag your server if you have an anticheat and don't give administrative permissions to randoms
tropic flame
I meant literally stop the chunks from loading
worn ember
ah this is 10x better
green edge
oh, that was donotspam
wide chasm
Create an issue md doesn't like
wide chasm
We don't have bugs
quasi canyon
Hey guys, can I pick your brains? Anyone know where I can find someone who makes NPC scripts? 🤔
tropic flame
yo is it overkill if I fucking reinstall steam just so it doesn't have to "install updates"
because it seems to take much longer than to reinstall it
austere ivy
@worn ember what did you end up settling on?
also @void void how would you go about doing something like making an anticheat? always seemed like black magic to me haha
the theories are true
wide chasm
Could also just throw a NN at it, I guess.
worn ember
@austere ivy APEX
its really just a test server so it doesnt need good specs or anything, a good connection more than anything
austere ivy
does it really all just matter about angle data, zbk?
and what kind of cheats would that cover? specifically only for pvp?
finite wave
Killaura
But it’s useless
Jusr have enough admins to determine if someone is hacking and a simple anticheat to flag for review
wide chasm
I'd recommend that as well; implement a report system and an anticheat to notify moderators if the likelihood of cheating goes above x% for someone and let the mods see if it's correct or not.
finite wave
Hacks will always evolve, but will always be a little detectable.
worn ember
The only correct answer is: blockchains
wide chasm
Blockchain is like 42, it's just the ultimate answer to everything.
worn ember
aye
limber knotBOT
C R Y P T O
unreal quarry
oh noes! the bad habit of editing content away on forum topics once solved has reached github issue reports :/ https://i.imgur.com/qG90QuF.png
heady spear
Luckily you can read the edit history 😛
unreal quarry
😮 i forgot they added that!
wide chasm
md_5 is that you?
unique orchid
not that one
pearl ibex
Billy! o/
finite wave
Noob aikar u therr?
gusty idol
If I made a server and wanted 1.8.x players to be able to join, could it be better to use a 1.12.x server with ViaVersion, ViaBackwards and ViaRewind than a 1.8.x server with ViaVersion?
chrome stump
any of u got a paper spigot 1.12 jar with the dupe working on it
not 1.12.2
reg 1.12
tropic flame
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348230324003667989/556505621743009792/DUEihdkj.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348230324003667989/556505639233388544/Be5tTrO5.png
heady spear
OMFG
chrome stump
kek
limber knotBOT
lol
heady spear
floof attacking floof
limber knotBOT
also why do you want 1.12? xD
chrome stump
its for an anarchy server and i dont want it on 1.13 because i have to update my plugins still and im lazy
limber knotBOT
just use 1.12.2 then?
heady spear
1.12 isn't even a supported version
tropic flame
... why though
limber knotBOT
wat
limber knotBOT
who cares about that anymore? lol
finite wave
You sound like you are setting up a server for someone
chrome stump
im not
finite wave
And want the dupe to annoy him after
chrome stump
no
chrome stump
thanks alot
gusty idol
If I made a server and wanted 1.8.x players to be able to join, could it be better to use a 1.12.x server with ViaVersion, ViaBackwards and ViaRewind than a 1.8.x server with ViaVersion?
tropic flame
yes @gusty idol
gusty idol
Because 1.12.x gets latest bug fixes?
acoustic pilot
You will not get any support on 1.8, you'll be totally on your own.
gusty idol
Hmmm
limber knotBOT
I would suggest using 1.12.2 and disallowing any other version (besides maybe 1.13.x for when you eventually update)
gusty idol
I want 1.8.x combat
limber knotBOT
there's not point in supporting older versions...
(and all the hacked clients/mods that come with them)
gusty idol
And a lot of people still use 1.8.x
acoustic pilot
1.8 is full of exploits and receives absolutely no support.
chrome stump
hehehee impact 4.5 1.13
gusty idol
If I used 1.12.x with Via plugins I'd get support though, right?
limber knotBOT
1.12.2 has had all essential mods, there is no reason not to update to that from 1.8
chrome stump
via backwards i bad from wat i remember
limber knotBOT
(besides not wanting to loose your cheats I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
chrome stump
alot of bugs
gusty idol
As I said, I would want 1.8.x combat if I ever made a server
acoustic pilot
Then you'll be on your own.
finite wave
There is plugins to increase attack speed
tropic flame
@gusty idol get 1.12.2 + ViaVersion, ViaBackwards, ViaRewind and install OldCombatMechanics plugin
gusty idol
Even if I used 1.12.2 with Via plugins?
limber knotBOT
well you can recreate that in 1.12.2, but why do you want the bad combat though?
acoustic pilot
You won't be able to replicate 1.8 combat exactly on newer versions.
That's just reality.
limber knotBOT
1.8 combat was literally the worst xD
gusty idol
I prefer the old combat system over the new one
acoustic pilot
You can't have it on the new versions.
You can make some changes, but it won't be the same.
gusty idol
reeeeee
chrome stump
i actually prefer 1.9 combat but mojang should make it a gamerule
chrome stump
who ?
finite wave
Overmighty is weird
gusty idol
using autistic as an insult
chrome stump
kek
limber knotBOT
1.8 combat = who ever has the fastest autoclicker wins
gusty idol
Not really
finite wave
Yes?
heady spear
autoclicker + good ping
limber knotBOT
1.13.2 = who has the best autoclicker plugin wins
gusty idol
Unless you played a minigame where your only items are swords
finite wave
?
heady spear
If you don't live in the data centre you're going to lose, bud
limber knotBOT
oh right, whoever can buy the best internet in addition to that wins. so basically pay2win xD
in 1.13.2 its too easy to have undetectable cheats..
gusty idol
Fishing rods, bows, lava and water buckets are a thing
PvP isn't all just about getting a sword and going click click click
static badge
ah yes it's the grand old argument of
finite wave
Brokkoli? It’s as easy as in 1.8???!?
static badge
pvp
finite wave
1.8 has just had a few years to develop cheats for now.
heady spear
people who PVP in Minecraft
limber knotBOT
ok so what did 1.8 do different than the swords then?
that's literally all they changed, lol
finite wave
1.8 is just a remnant of an old unsupported version
limber knotBOT
"Fishing rods, bows, lava and water buckets" still work the same
gusty idol
iirc fishing rods don't knock players back in new versions
limber knotBOT
so get a plugin to add it?
finite wave
They do?
gusty idol
huh
acoustic pilot
A 1.8.8 server is the only way to get 1.8 combat. You can tweak 1.12.2 to be more like it, but as I said it won't be the same. Paper 1.8.8 is full of bugs and exploits. Other servers use paid forks. Paper 1.8.8 is not supported.
finite wave
I’m not sure
limber knotBOT
or modify the knockback amount, it's not that difficult
finite wave
Idk i only program for it
limber knotBOT
Jan: much more easy
gusty idol
Do we know what Hypixel uses?
limber knotBOT
their own server
acoustic pilot
Their own thing.
heady spear
also if you use 1.8 and ask for plugin support then you deserve to get pooped on by a giraffe
finite wave
Brokkoli? Still 1.13 is as easy as 1.8?
gusty idol
Their own thing as in their own Spigot fork or their own server software written from scratch?
acoustic pilot
If you plan to run 1.8, you better have either money or skills to fill in the gaps.
finite wave
1.8 hackers has now had 5 years to develop hacks?
static badge
their own spigot fork
limber knotBOT
no, they have custom servers afaik
finite wave
@gusty idol They pay actual developers to make a 1.8 fork that has all the recent bug fixes but in an old version.
heady spear
get beer spigot :PPPPPPP
finite wave
My dick is beered
gusty idol
Um ok
heady spear
with beer spigot you can also increase the TPS!!!
finite wave
Let’s not discuss versions here.
But let it be known we will not help you if your 1.8 breaks.
heady spear
"Massive Cannon Optimizations. (Up to 2200% reduced lag)"
You can also get 2200% reduced lag
apparently
chrome stump
not back doored
heady spear
gusty idol
What
finite wave
@heady spear Ever heard of Faggotcontrol?
gusty idol
How is this even possible
finite wave
Removes all the faggots hacking/causing lags instantly via advanced neural networks
finite wave
I made it sec
gusty idol
I like how you want me to get banned but use "autistic" and "faggot" as insults
heady spear
omg people on the internet use bad words
finite wave
Faggotcontrol
gusty idol
I'm not saying he shouldn't swear
I'm just saying he's pulling insults from the 12yo's insult starter pack
heady spear
Jan is my son. Let him be.
gusty idol
tropic flame
is Jan called Jan because he was born in January, or because he's gonna be a janitor when he gets older?
limber knotBOT
Yes
tropic flame
🔥
heady spear
both, and he's also very Danish
tropic flame
that's how you diss people @finite wave
limber knotBOT
Oof, that's the harsh
finite wave
@tropic flame Jan is quite a common name.
limber knotBOT
err, there was going to be more sentence there but let's pretend I meant that
finite wave
“be more sentence”
heady spear
let's be bullies now
static badge
"big yikes"
heady spear
no, "big yike"
finite wave
“Yikes”
heady spear
learn english plz
limber knotBOT
Perfect time to be bullies, leaf is here
finite wave
“Plz”
heady spear
learn plz
finite wave
“Here”
static badge
wtf
heady spear
perfect bully here
finite wave
“Here”
finite wave
Hm
heady spear
work time
finite wave
Masterbation tile
heady spear
"masterbation tile"
tropic flame
masternation
heady spear
^Sweden
tropic flame
uh what
finite wave
Denmark was back in the day
tropic flame
is that how you say it in sweden
heady spear
We don't do filth in Sweden
worn ember
Denmark was black in the day
finite wave
Mester nation
worn ember
and white at night
heady spear
can someone ban dark plz
finite wave
We were the fucker of calves
limber knotBOT
Isn't Denmark the one where Santa's elves are black people?
heady spear
he make racism in message
finite wave
He usually does that
heady spear
You're talking about zwarte piet, aren't you?
limber knotBOT
So they all dress up in blackface and ride a barge down a river for Christmas
heady spear
That's dutch 😛
finite wave
Much like
worn ember
LOL
limber knotBOT
Ah
worn ember
@heady spear its roetpiet now cuz its offensive to black people all of the sudden
finite wave
Well, nigga is also offensive.
static badge
what the fuck is on my screen
heady spear
^at least that has some historical context.
finite wave
https://youtu.be/LDrzKBM73yc @heady spear
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Lille Bo Familien Andersen Jeg Har Set En Rigtig Negermand 1970 - length 4m 2s - N/A, N/A, (N/A) - 1,056,499 views - Arne Nygaard Jensen on 2014.02.27
finite wave
“I’ve seen a real nigga” basically is the title
static badge
yeah that's all I watch
finite wave
And thats what he is singing
heady spear
We have these chocolate ball thingies, really common "fika" item that you have with coffee
For the longest of time they were called "negerbollar"
bollar being "balls"
tropic flame
"neger"
heady spear
I mean, you can probably figure it out
tropic flame
I'm reading that as neejer, thank you
heady spear
We're not allowed to call them that anymore 😛
finite wave
Now*
heady spear
they're "chokladbollar" now
finite wave
Our dictionaries still have negerboller as a synonym
limber knotBOT
White folks wearing blackface acting like dressed in silly clothes and acting like clowns/jesters does seem a little offensive
tropic flame
yeah choklad sounds more like chocolate
finite wave
Chokolade
limber knotBOT
bleh ruined another sentence
finite wave
Here in Denmark, cause we love vowels
limber knotBOT
I need caffeine before I type
finite wave
Koffein
heady spear
Also, we have Lucia celebrations every year in December. People used to dress up as gingerbread men and to a parade thing in church
tropic flame
kotlin*
static badge
or a few braincells those help :>
heady spear
that isn't allowed anymore.
finite wave
@heady spear We still do this
tropic flame
and why can't you do that anymore
limber knotBOT
I'd ask if I could borrow a couple from you leaf but I wouldn't want you to go without
finite wave
We only had like 1 black person on my school
tropic flame
what's the problem with gingerbread
static badge
so kind ❤
finite wave
We all bullied her
tropic flame
wtf
heady spear
Sweden :)<3
finite wave
Cause she was literally rgb(10, 10, 10)
static badge
mfw calling bakery racist
heady spear
You have to dress up as fucking KKK or elves now
limber knotBOT
Oh yeah, they also pushed all the evil shit they used to believe Santa did to kids on to the black character
finite wave
KKK is the shit
limber knotBOT
So instead of Santa being the scary guy that would fuck your shit up if you were naughty now it's the black guy
finite wave
Yes
native helm
Alright, I just came back and I have no idea what's going on, why is there KKK stuff in here
static badge
be OKKK with the KKK spider
heady spear
because cookies are racist.
limber knotBOT
Would anyone have an idea of what a possible fix would be to people connection spamming Waterfall? My connection throttle is set to 10 seconds atm
static badge
so ur saying u hate blacks
limber knotBOT
thanks spottedleaf I'm clueless when it comes to irc lmao
heady spear
I hate blacks and whites equally
finite wave
@heady spear we invited the slaves to join us
static badge
idk where the irc help is for waterfall actually
heady spear
much
finite wave
So much diversity in that photo
limber knotBOT
it's actually #waterfall xD
heady spear
also Lucia has traditionally been a blonde girl
limber knotBOT
someone should include that in the channel topic...
heady spear
but now all of a sudden we demand hair colour equality
finite wave
Yeah idk
heady spear
and everyone can be St. Lucy
finite wave
Obviously blonds are superior
static badge
wait what's going on
heady spear
Fuck it, I'm going to be Lucy at uni 😠
finite wave
@static badge Just being racists
static badge
yeah ik that