then i recover and start my mental pile over again
#general
potent fossil
golden gust
I was going to write a joke about going to the shop, but then I remembered that the UK slang for cigarettes is a bit offensive
Like, going to the shop these days isn't too bad, but if I need something, I find that if I don't keep saying it to myself it disappears
"milk" "milk" "milk" "milk" oh, they have twinkies! *completes walk around the shop* *walks outside and is about 1/2 way home* FUUUUUUUUU
potent fossil
you see, this is why i married a woman whose primary hobby is notebooks and writing things in them
works quite well
golden gust
When I lived with my grandparents I adopted my grandfathers habit of having a pen and paper on his desk at all times, when I moved out didn't really often have the space, but figured it was time to readopt it; I use my phone for event scheduling, etc, but 200 txt files around the place are useless when I forget to open them again
true canyon
I just use a checklist in Keep on my phone for quick trips to make sure I get the handful of items I wanted and don't just walk out with only ice cream
-# unless it's an ice cream trip
golden gust
That would imply that I don't tell myself that I don't need to write it down because I could never forget something so important to my day
Hoping that a pencil + paper on my desk kinda reduces the activation energy for that sorta thing
tired valley
found this to be quite the interesting read for anyone interested: https://malus.sh/blog.html
hot sundial
doesnt suppor build.gradle.kts 
ivory grove
found this to be quite the interesting read for anyone interested: https://malus...
š At start I was like:
- Oo' oh such nice compliments.
Until I read: - Now: it is time for you to stop.
šš»
tired valley
finish it. as much as some of the stuff might hurt to read as someone who contributes to OS i honestly very much agree with most of it
ivory grove
finish it. as much as some of the stuff might hurt to read as someone who contri...
Actually I cant, it literally flashbangs me...
tired valley
for info the guy who made the website is Mike Nolan (open source researcher at UN)
tired valley
Actually I cant, it literally flashbangs me...
fair enough haha
ivory grove
I'ma read it anyways.
tired valley
doesnt suppor build.gradle.kts <:KEKW:1083738790251724850>
i mean you can just go back to ma... ew.. maven
gleaming spear
doesnt suppor build.gradle.kts <:KEKW:1083738790251724850>
no one needs that, you have lockfiles for that matter
and well.. CycloneDX
potent fossil
Actually I cant, it literally flashbangs me...
same i had to close it. might read tomorrow
ivory grove
When I read it, then open dark mode disord, I see words twisting.
ivory grove
finish it. as much as some of the stuff might hurt to read as someone who contri...
Now I understand why you said that.
tired valley
yeah i mean most people when they first hear what the website does would probably find it morally unaccaptable (at least that was my first instinct). tho interesting thing to think about is what would you would think if the roles are reversed (proprietary software being recreated by ai as an OS project)
ivory grove
Correct. I'd say that is both sick and suck. One used tech other used manpower. One put low efforts, one put real struggle. For the one who used tech: It is indeed sick, but that sucks too.
tired valley
i don't think it should matter whether ai was used to replicate or just human work (when looking at it morally)
like with ai at least you can actually ensure its a clean room implementation without access to the original
gleaming spear
what do y'all mean with "flashbang", just use darkreader 
ivory grove
i don't think it should matter whether ai was used to replicate or just human wo...
Historically, the open-source community *has *done this manually (like Samba replicating Windows file sharing, or Wine replicating Windows APIs). But when a giant corporation does it to open-source, it feels predatory. It completely weaponizes the open-source community's transparency against them.
Its like "free labour" š„
gleaming spear
always has been free labor
ivory grove
https://darkreader.org/
I've used such in past, these conflict with default browser and windows dark mode toggle.
tired valley
sure tho i don't think the reason you're replicating software should change anything about replicating being allowed or not. like when OS projects replicate something its done for openness and transparency, when big companies do it its done for stability and freedom from a software source you have absolutely no control over see the node-ipc example
gotta head out now tho
(im not saying that companies breaking OS licenses is ok btw)
ivory grove
gotta head out now tho
Was going to write a reply, but enjoy your time, out š
tired valley
Was going to write a reply, but enjoy your time, out š
thanks 
potent fossil
the logic of the article is solid, but the writing is highly pretentious and condescending for that reason im out
tired valley
feel free to reply anyways maybe i can reply on the way haha
tired valley
the logic of the article is solid, but the writing is highly pretentious and con...
yeah the website is sort of half joke and half serious from what i understand
given the reviews on the homepage are also satiraclly fake
ivory grove
feel free to reply anyways maybe i can reply on the way haha
The legality of a cleanroom might be the same, but the intent changes the entire ecosystem. When open-source replicates proprietary, it opens a closed door for everyone. When a corporation uses AI to cleanroom open source, it shuts the door, strips the attribution, and isolates the tech behind a corporate paywall. One builds a utility; the other exploits a community. If this becomes the norm, the incentive to open source anything collapses, and then thereās nothing left for their AI to copy anyway. Simple š
ivory grove
given the reviews on the homepage are also satiraclly fake
That is way insane.
Dinner time š½ļø Cya.
chilly night
Hi
tired valley
The legality of a cleanroom might be the same, but the intent changes the entire...
i feel like that opinion applies to closed source and corporate in gerneral tho. like youre essentially just saying you think selling software is bad. as for attribution i would say that depends on what information exactly the one thats recreating has access to. if its just the idea along some vague specs inspired by the original, then by that logic every compiler would need to credit the author of the very first compiler. if it actually has access to parts of the original implementation then yeah i ageee. as for that becoming the norm, yeah not an optimal world to live in
but just taking the risk of trusting a random person online to deliver good software not being something a company wants to do is understandable imo
ivory grove
i feel like that opinion applies to closed source and corporate in gerneral tho....
Back from dinner. I don't think selling software is bad at all; people should get paid for their work. The problem isn't commercialization. Building a new compiler from vague specs takes massive human effort and creates a new tool.
The MalusCorp model isn't inventing a new concept; it's using an automated pipeline to actively strip copyright, liability, and attribution from existing code lines in under five minutes just to dodge a license. That is what I think atleast.
If a company wants a closed-source ecosystem with zero open-source obligations, they should pay their own devs to build it from scratch, not use AI to launder a volunteer's hard work. But yeah, glad we agree that it's definitely not an optimal world to live in if this becomes the norm.
(Mean while finnaly my Lowdb v7 working š After a hour debugging... )
austere ivy
heya, quick math question i need help with: given an nxn grid and two randomly-selected cells, what is the range of integers X at which a path of length x ā X could be traced from those cells with any cell in the path only ever touching its direct neighbors (i.e., m-1, m+1)
lower bound i'd imagine is just Manhattan distance, which would be (y2-y1) + (x2-x1) with cell 1 being (x1, y1) and cell 2 being (x2, y2)
calm rune
heya, quick math question i need help with: given an nxn grid and two randomly-s...
Thats just manhattan distance, so x1+x2+y1+y2
Or do you include diagonals
austere ivy
no diagonals, but i'm looking for a range
calm rune
Then just anything larger or equal than the distance, or am I missing something about your path definition?
austere ivy
let me draw an example
calm rune
I think this is getting out of hand for paper general, wanna go to dms?
tired valley
Back from dinner. I don't think selling software is bad at all; people should ge...
then sell your project instead of making it open source.
tired valley
If a company wants a closed-source ecosystem with zero open-source obligations, ...
so you would be fine with a company clean rooming using actual humans. i dont think it makes a difference if a real intelligence puts in the effort or an artificial one
ivory grove
then sell your project instead of making it open source.
Exactly what I am saying, I mean sell it or pay your developers to make a new concept idea and functionality.
Because the case here is: Open source + AI replica + no dev which is equal to no paying.
ivory grove
alr i really gotta go now tho haha
xD. Cya, thanks for hoppin in the convo with me :)
golden gust
Do note that the SMB one, MS published the spec, somebody took the spec and implemented it and now samba is one of the goto solutions for sharing files across a mixed OS network
lilac comet
Does this view go back further than a year?
Might be a iOS 18 issue but Apple doesn't support iOS 26 with my iPhone
ivory grove
Charge your phone xD
lilac comet
Charge your phone xD
The battery only lasts 5 hours
true canyon
What on earth phone model
lilac comet
iPhone XS
potent fossil
no diagonals, but i'm looking for a range
the lower bound is manhattan, the upper bound is n^2-1 assuming you donāt revisit cells and n is even. If n is odd then you have edge cases that Iām too tired to think about. Given d = |dx|-|dy|, then range should be [d, n^2-1], with interval d+2m, m = step number, 2<=m<=d (?) i think. Anyway Iām really going to bed now
ivory grove
iPhone XS
But does the job right? I phone X series are great imo.
Not updated but, enough I'd say.
lilac comet
But does the job right? I phone X series are great imo.
Not updated but, enough...
It overheats when charging which is quite annoying (other people I know also had that issue)
(it displays something like "stopped charging because temperature too high")
golden gust
Do you step away from the bomb while charging it or sleep with it next to your pillow?
ivory grove
You should move to Samsung, that is all I'd say. THat thing is a literal bomb you carrying around šš»
gleaming spear
If a company wants a closed-source ecosystem with zero open-source obligations, ...
pay their own devs
They will, when the AI generated stuff has issues and the "original authors" can't help
ivory grove
Do you step away from the bomb while charging it or sleep with it next to your p...
And I assume he does not use any powerbank, which sucks. Carry both powerbank and phone in pocket, rest is you know.
ivory grove
> pay their own devs
They will, when the AI generated stuff has issues and the "...
Correct.
gleaming spear
Speaking of phone batteries... I need to change mine somedayā¢
austere ivy
g2g for now but i'll be back to elaborate on the restrictions, ty for your thoughts on it so far @calm rune and @potent fossil !
upper flicker
simplesleep
wet ledge
.
vernal moth
quiet mesa
Exists a web for all xd
patent current
Apple says the battery is fine
I think the percentage is exponentially decreasing. The longer you have the phone, the longer it takes the number to decrease.
umbral mango
This was the solution, TR4s best motherboards are like $400 and the CPUs can be 4GHz for $200 with 16 cores or $400 for 32 cores, overall being way more affordable
native grove
The guy who should recode EssentialsX in c++ cause he hates his life
crude trellis
The guy who should recode EssentialsX in c++ cause he hates his life
Performant.
candid jackal
essential is bloat
true canyon
Not really
upper flicker
mbax is bloat
umbral mango
Most plugins take the philosophy of only changing what they need and you opt in to changes, essentialsx just changes everything it possibly can by default for no reason
ashen cliff
You forgot to install EssentialsXAntiBuild.
gray pawn
slopsentialsX
true canyon
slopsentialsX
There are a few of this on hangar now
cunning raft
Most plugins take the philosophy of only changing what they need and you opt in ...
sounds like you installed every addon without checking
kindred quiver
You forgot to install EssentialsXAntiBuild.
and also vault + luckperms for that matter.
tropic flame
EssentialsXGemini addon when
warm anchor
I install EssentialsXMPP and I donāt even know what it does 
true canyon
I install EssentialsXMPP and I donāt even know what it does <:rieagent:899522875...
Vibecode a gemini xmpp bot to talk over it
hard mirage
Me I did
sharp sentinel
Does this view go back further than a year?
Might be a iOS 18 issue but Apple do...
well firstly, May 2024 is further than a year ago lol
but idk iāve never used it, i always use the main calendar view
upper flicker
well firstly, May 2024 _is_ further than a year ago lol
but idk iāve never used...
no no no it was just a couple months ago
in fact, itās still barely 2017
how time flies
final mason
Well the world is gonna end in 2012, so if the world hasn't ended yet, that means it can't be any later than 2011
And everybody knows it's the first decade of the 21st century, so the 80s were only like 20 or so years ago, and the 90s were only like 10 or so years ago
Some day I wanna take a trip to new york city and see the empire state building and the twin towers. I hope the Y2K bug doesn't destroy the economy before then
kind vapor
I wonder what will it looks like if mojang never invented text component and still using Ā§ for everything
worthy geode
like spigots rgb formatting probably 
brisk acorn
Speaking of, how is spigot managing object components now? 
Donāt tell me is &h:Player or smt like that
sharp sentinel
most complex stuff just doesn't have chat codes in spigot, only via api
brisk acorn
Which means every spigot plugin devs will very likely come up with their own format each 
If they want to allow the user to add those components as plain text in the config
worthy geode
most people seem to end up just shading adventure + minimessage tbh
magic river
As soon as someone does meta.getCustomName() it all goes poof, no?
indigo mesa
Will paper ever remove all of the old bukkit/spigot stuff?
Like the big removal update or whatever
magic river
Honestly for those considering how easy they are to keep working probably not but so long as using is lossy people will complain which should naturally get people to stop using them, at least in public stuff
As soon are there are no public uses maybe they can just be yeeted but that'll probably be 2040
fading dust
brisk owl
As soon are there are no public uses maybe they can just be yeeted but that'll p...
You know it will simply be never.
As long as plugin devs don't feel a sense of pressure (since there's no chance of discontinuation), many maintainers of old codebases will absolutely keep a few &c around in messages that need to be a single, solid color.
In a large plugin there could be a hundred such messages and if the plugin doesn't have some sort of standardized message manager (due to the ever increasing cost of refactoring everything, it's often too late when you realize you might need one), it's likely it has randomly hardcoded formatting codes here and there.
Instead, paper could realistically add a config line for these legacy codes and set it to false by default.
crude trellis
Will paper ever remove all of the old bukkit/spigot stuff?
Why though?
Windows 11 can still run 32-bit Windows 95 programs. Little reason to drop compatibility just for sake of removing it.
gleaming spear
In a large plugin there could be a hundred such messages and if the plugin doesn...
OpenRewrite and Regex our beloved can help
buoyant willow
Why though?
Windows 11 can still run 32-bit Windows 95 programs. Little reason ...
If it is for the sake of having a more modern api and dropping all of the old, deprecated apis?
crude trellis
What's deprecated about Bukkit API?
Nothing bad with making a new Paper one, sure. But whatever works on Bukkit API already can still work. š¤·āāļø
buoyant willow
The api is just old and a modernisation wouldn't hurt imo. Paper specific apis are just a lot nicer to work with
real mesa
guys what is better paper for smp server or folia?
thin bramble
i wonder what happened to itemtype and blocktype
mild rune
I eat them
thin bramble
were they tasty at least?
limber blade
gleaming spear
https://keepandroidopen.org/ !
Nothing burger, you can still install apks
buoyant willow
Won't there be a developer setting to allow it again anyway? Afaik this is only so normal users do not have the risk of installing random apks
limber blade
Guys read the whole thing
limber blade
Won't there be a developer setting to allow it again anyway? Afaik this is only ...
there is...
gleaming spear
So what's the deal
gleaming spear
Independent developers
A teenager's first app, a volunteer's privacy tool, or a company's confidential internal beta. It doesn't matter. After September 2026, none of these can be installed without Google's blessing.
Wrong
buoyant willow
I don't mind
gleaming spear
You can still install per adb and/or accepting the risk
potent fossil
Read the whole thing he says, after having not read the whole thing himself
mild rune
that site is ungodly amounts of FUD 
buoyant willow
If I want to create a public android app, I'm going to publish it to the play store anyway
limber blade
>>> Independent developers
A teenager's first app, a volunteer's privacy tool, ...
this ye
gleaming spear
whats wrong
Developer account for 20 ppl doesn't need id verification
Adb can be used and apk can still be installed without it being signed
Company's internal apps are set on the company's address and name anyway
buoyant willow
whats wrong
You will still be able to install unverified apps
limber blade
You will still be able to install unverified apps
not after that sept 2026
sharp sentinel
just gotta hope google doesn't randomly ban your account :^)
limber blade
Developer account for 20 ppl doesn't need id verification
Adb can be used and ap...
ye
buoyant willow
not after that sept 2026
Uhm well yes, you just have to allow in dev options
limber blade
Uhm well yes, you just have to allow in dev options
Yeah, that that 9 steps -_-
buoyant willow
2 steps for me since activating dev options is literally one of the first things I do on a new phone
gleaming spear
Guys read the whole thing
mild rune
just gotta hope google doesn't randomly ban your account :^)
me when apple did this recently 
limber blade
2 steps for me since activating dev options is literally one of the first things...
no, u have to wait 24 hrs for there
mild rune
buoyant willow
no, u have to wait 24 hrs for there
So what, then I wait for a day first
sharp sentinel
me when apple did this recently <:sad:1332090644109463605>
i was referring to a bug in 2024 where Google permanently closed hundreds of thousands of developer accounts, then shrugged in response to it
mild rune
i was referring to a bug in 2024 where Google permanently closed hundreds of tho...
oh classic google
buoyant willow
You are making too big of a problem out of it
sharp sentinel
the solution was just "make a new account and pay the fee again"
gleaming spear
no, u have to wait 24 hrs for there
The goal of the "advanced flow" is to slow down installation from untrusted sources by unexperienced ppl
mild rune
When apple yeeted my developer agreement all of my sideloaded apps with it (and anything I signed on my mac) uninstalled themselves after like 2-3 days 
gleaming spear
Wow
buoyant willow
Imo a reasonable security measure for inexperienced people
sharp sentinel
why was yours banned out of curiosity?
mild rune
Or well, when I went to run them apple told me they will not work and to uninstall them
Pursuant to Section 3.2(f) of the ADP Agreement, you agreed that you would not ācommit any act intended to interfere with any of the Apple Software or Services, the intent of this Agreement, or Appleās business practices including, but not limited to, taking actions that may hinder the performance or intended use of the App Store, Custom App Distribution, TestFlight, Xcode Cloud, Ad Hoc distribution, or the Programā¦ā Apple has good reason to believe that you violated this Section due to documented indications of fraudulent conduct associated with your account.
is the reason I got
I emailed asking for the documented indications but have got nothing 
I never publicly made software signed by that so it doesn't really matter, just annoying
sharp sentinel
i wonder if they close accounts that are purely used to bypass their app store, rather than make software
mild rune
I technically used AppDB to do the sideloading and signing but it was with my personal dev account which should've been fine but w/e
I can still sideload the old fashioned way for my like 2 apps
brisk owl
When apple yeeted my developer agreement all of my sideloaded apps with it (and ...
So much bullshit and Google wants to make android the same...
mild rune
For like 99% of people Google's change will literally not matter
If it does, just wait the 24hours
you'll live
hallow hull
Is Java 25 supported
mild rune
Required even
hallow hull
It is?
mild rune
Yeah
hallow hull
Bet
mild rune
26.1 requires it
hallow hull
Iām on Java 21 1.21.11
mild rune
Ya you'll need to update java then
heady leafBOT
mild rune
I'd make a local copy of your server to test 26.1.2 with
hallow hull
Donāt want to mess up server generation
mild rune
I cannot make that judgement call for you lol
hallow hull
Fair lol
brisk owl
If it does, just wait the 24hours
The 24h isn't the issue but the direction is.
hallow hull
But itās generally safe for a survival server to upgrade versions?
timber sentinel
Donāt want to mess up server generation
what do you mean with server generation exactly
mild rune
It's generally "safe"
hallow hull
what do you mean with server generation exactly
I meant world generation
mild rune
Plugins will need updates
brisk owl
The 24h isn't the issue but the direction is.
I don't care about what Google will do in September.
I absolutely care about what they'll justify later.
mild rune
Okay cool seems simple enough
If you have backups and/or do the update on a test server you've got very low risk
hallow hull
Iāll just do backups and call it a day
brisk owl
Minecraft itself is always backwards compatible with older saves since the MCA format was introduced.
Major plugins almost always seamlessly migrate data or are backwards compatible with it but this is not a guarantee.
hallow hull
Thanks for the help
Last wuestion. Is Java 25 safe to upgrade to if I do stay in 1.21.11
timber sentinel
there's no world gen differences between 1.21.11 and 26.1 so you're good on that front, since 1.18 they also have chunk blending which prevents those noticeable seams from older times
the latest builds of 1.21.11 support java 25
hallow hull
Awesome thanks
Would do it but my anticheat only supports 1.21.11 atm and would want to wait until the add 26.1 support
brisk owl
the latest builds of 1.21.11 support java 25
Note that I get a TON of depreciation warnings with my plugins that were built against java 17 or 21.
They all work though.
lilac kiln
why does it keep kicking all bedrock players randomly and sending this in console before it
[11:54:09 WARN]: [org.cloudburstmc.netty.handler.codec.raknet.server.RakServerRateLimiter] [/198.178.119.237] Blocked because packet limit was reached
native grove
why does it keep kicking all bedrock players randomly and sending this in conso...
Go to the bedrock plugin support
brisk owl
why does it keep kicking all bedrock players randomly and sending this in conso...
Because your proxy is sending too many packets probably
lilac kiln
i haven o proxy
this only started happening after i used tcpshield and they just said i gotta add a startup flag
so yea that was the issue
brisk owl
TCPShield is a proxy!!
With all your connections coming from the same IP (TCPShield's) you get that.
lilac kiln
kk im slow af
brisk owl
Yep this single IP is TCPShield's
lilac kiln
yea they just told me to add a startup flag and whitleist their ip in geysers config
brisk owl
means you have misconfigured geyser
Or maybe misconfigured paper's max PPS.
But there must be a way to make the server aware of the IPs of individual players, right?
Otherwise large servers would struggle detecting alts if all their connections seem to originate from the same IP.
warm anchor
IP isnt a good way of detecting alts either
twin lagoon
Or maybe misconfigured paper's max PPS.
But there must be a way to make the serv...
But there must be a way to make the server aware of the IPs of individual players, right?
that is the issue yes
golden gust
That's not papers PPS limiter, that's raknets
limber blade
papapa parapa para para rapapa
misty widget
IP isnt a good way of detecting alts either
Wht other ways the ip could you use
sharp sentinel
there isnāt really a reliable way of finding alts other than looking at behaviour
eg, someone is bannedā¦ someone new logs on and takes over their base and continues it
IPs are extremely unreliable, especially if youāre not using IPv6
iām very routinely blocked from sites because someone else on the IP did something malicious/suspicious
upper flicker
at least thatās what we tell her
CGNAT is a problem, proxies are everywhere, its not a solved problem unfortunately
vocal turret
@tribal rivet I hope consumers start switching to IPv6, we are basically whats left to switch
maybe CGNAT usage will push that movement more
warm anchor
The good old day of disconnect your router for 10 minute to get a fresh ipv4 is gone.
tribal rivet
<@170919241225207808> I hope consumers start switching to IPv6, we are basically...
if it were to happen, it would already
vocal turret
The good old day of disconnect your router for 10 minute to get a fresh ipv4 is ...
I have to restart my router every month because it just dies. Its only job is to be in bridge mode
tribal rivet
sadly dreams are dead
warm anchor
I have to restart my router every month because it just dies. Its only job is to...
ISP router is like government issues gears, itās made by the lowest bidders.
sharp sentinel
if it were to happen, it would already
i mean it largely has in many areas
vocal turret
first time it happened I thought I botched my MikroTik config, but realised the ISP just dropped the connection for some reason
sharp sentinel
the places that donāt bother are the ones with massive ipv4 allocation
warm anchor
Sounds like first hand experience
vocal turret
the places that donāt bother are the ones with massive ipv4 allocation
yk what now that I think of it, my UNI's data center still largerly uses IPv4 while us students are allocated an IPv6 adress
they bought some adresses 30 years ago and still hold onto them
sharp sentinel
well itās really the US and western europe that doesnāt bother with ipv6
and then that trickles down to services made by engineers in those areas
so you have australian engineers very into ipv6 as we rely on it, and americans calling it dumb/useless/dead/etc
brisk owl
IPs are extremely unreliable, especially if youāre not using IPv6
Minecraft java doesn't support ipv6.
Also for ban evading IPv6s are free, v4s aren't.
warm anchor
Minecraft java doesn't support ipv6.
Also for ban evading IPv6s are free, v4s ar...
It does support v6
brisk owl
Huh WHAT?
limber knotBOT
it would be extra work to not support it lol
warm anchor
It will ONLY work if both the server and the client has fully supported v6 network though
brisk owl
if I type an IPv6 in the direct connection interface it just says unknown host.
warm anchor
That means part of your network chain donāt support it.
limber knotBOT
(or you typed it wrong š )
brisk owl
That means part of your network chain donāt support it.
Considering that both my server and client are on the same network, and every device has a unique IPv6...
It should not do unknown host. If something's blocking the connection it should be connection refused or timed out.
I'll try again.
upper flicker
iirc it requires square brackets around the address, that throws people
or maybe thatās changed and it no longer does
warm anchor
Considering that both my server and client are on the same network, and every de...
When you have time can you find the first part of your v6 address.
brisk owl
When you have time can you find the first part of your v6 address.
2003
but that's the public one, I'll try the local IPv6
oh my public ipv6 actually returns connection refused and not unknown host
and the private ipv6 fe80::62cf:84ff:fe76:104 "invalid argument"
the first result indicates that minecraft does have ipv6 support and recognizes the IP, but that my firewall or network policies are blocking it.
warm anchor
native grove
Yayy rust server software finally is almost done finishing everything
tribal rivet
Minecraft java doesn't support ipv6.
Also for ban evading IPv6s are free, v4s ar...
java supports it
bedrock does not
vocal turret
is it worth it setup IPv6 on my home network?
limber knotBOT
sure. There are some ipv6-only sites already
(although often non-essential, private ones)
vocal turret
My ISP is testing IPv6 implementation for business users on FTTH, DOCSIS, and VDSL/ADSL as of 2014. No support for personal customers is available as of 2024.
damn they don't care lmao
gleaming spear
The MC server community: ah shit, here we go again.
cunning raft
we're still talking about hytale in the big 26?
true canyon
They're only on their 5th published update as an early access project out for half a year? Huh.
vocal turret
nooooooooo
gray pawn
meh
sage sinew
wait what ._.
What else do they wanna do to it tbh?
From what I heard it worked pretty well...
quiet mesa
Not sure... and strange because the friend system was not removed only the p2p
twin lagoon
lol
foggy silo
Thatās odd
sage sinew
Wth
Tbh, one thing I wonder is... how will they make java edition profitable lol
My only question
stark phoenix
In game ads
twin lagoon
you're assuming it isn't already
sage sinew
Do they make enough money from bedrock to sustain both versions and specially keep resources focused in java?
sage sinew
you're assuming it isn't already
Questionable with a one time payment
twin lagoon
that is how games work yes
sage sinew
Well, sadly not nowadays
sage sinew
Minecraft is a live service
sage sinew
the valuable part is the brand
True...
Wonder if they have a lot of revenue from merch etc
twin lagoon
most certainly
minecraft is everywhere
50% chance i see some kid wearing minecraft merch if i go into any city
sage sinew
Yeaaa true
So I guess updating minecraft, specially java edition is just part of the marketing budget lmao
Cause java edition is the one really bringing people due to it being popular in social media
Aka YouTube
twin lagoon
minecraft doesn't want you to separate the games
whether you're playing java or bedrock it doesn't matter, both are minecraft
sage sinew
minecraft doesn't want you to separate the games
They shouldn't have done it then, cause there are very clearl lines between the two
twin lagoon
are there
sage sinew
Yes.
twin lagoon
looks like the same game to me
twin lagoon
not relevant to the average user
sage sinew
Still diff. Game
twin lagoon
core concepts, visual styling, gameplay etc are all the same
sage sinew
The marketplace in bedrock is also different
twin lagoon
the subtle differences don't matter in the grand scheme of things
sage sinew
And the biggest part: both editions can't play with each other without smt like geyser
gray pawn
i agree for a normie there's no big difference
twin lagoon
bedrock is the default, cross platform etc
sage sinew
the subtle differences don't matter in the grand scheme of things
It matters enough, people watch videos on YouTube, with modded mc etc, want to play those modpacks and bedrock doesnt have those. Not 1 to 1 at least
twin lagoon
java is just an additional way to play it on pc
wide chasm
Before Bedrock you had different versions for each console, people didn't care back then either
twin lagoon
that too lol
sage sinew
bedrock is the default, cross platform etc
So, they are 2 different things.
sage sinew
Before Bedrock you had different versions for each console, people didn't care b...
I am not trying to say they care, trying to argue that they are still 2 distinct versions
wide chasm
I mean, yes, but for 95% of people it's the same
twin lagoon
whether someone drives a ford or a volkswagen doesn't matter, they're both cars and they achieve the same for 95% of people
minecraft java and bedrock is the same
the subtle differences do not matter, they both implement the core game
they both look the same to the average user
sage sinew
Eh fairs
twin lagoon
like i get what you're saying and id prefer java too but it just does not matter for the average user
- you get both versions as pc player for free
gta 5 vs gta 5 enhanced is a similar vibe
you can't crossplay between the versions, both gameplay & visually nearly the same though
gleaming spear
They're only on their 5th published update as an early access project out for ha...
That would make an update each month, which is pretty good
novel sonnet
the subtle differences do not matter, they both implement the core game
Well, redstone, the entire codebase, the language, the bugs, the packet system, modding too, It's really a "big" difference
twin lagoon
Well, redstone, the entire codebase, the language, the bugs, the packet system, ...
all completely useless to the average player
the basics of redstone work the same
silver mason
but to the average user stumbling upon it, it's the same brand
I remember trying to explain the differences between bedrock and java to an older friend of mine
they didn't really care about those differences (other than bedrock marketplace)
twin lagoon
a lot of people grow up playing bedrock now aswell
java might feel wrong to them and vice versa
upper flicker
itās easy for some of us in the server and technical communities to forget how the average person plays and experiences the game
twin lagoon
there is no right or wrong version of the game, it is both minecraft in the end
upper flicker
most people probably do not care at all, at least until they go to join a multiplayer server assuming they ever do
twin lagoon
you can argue the specific details but they're just not relevant for the average user
warm anchor
With the personal computer price going the way it is going, we will also produce more bedrock players 
twin lagoon
there are most certainly more bedrock players than java players already
novel sonnet
there are most certainly more bedrock players than java players already
there are, yes
novel sonnet
the basics of redstone work the same
99% of redstone doesnt work on bedrock mate
if you try any door (even 2x2!!!) it wont work from Java -> Bedrock (atleast, probs also other way around)
twin lagoon
is your cousin's 9 year old going to build a 2x2 door
novel sonnet
Well, I built 3x3's when I was 9
hard stone
itās easy for some of us in the server and technical communities to forget how t...
relevant https://xkcd.com/2501/ at that point
native grove
Quasi Connectivity is why it doesn't work, if it was in bedrock it would revive half the builds that are broken
novel sonnet
Quasi Connectivity is why it doesn't work, if it was in bedrock it would revive ...
Not only QC
native grove
Not only QC
Thats why its only half
twin lagoon
i don't even know what quasi connectivity is and i've been playing this game for 10+ years
you expect a 9 year old to know what that is and call it a dealbreaker for bedrock
novel sonnet
i don't even know what quasi connectivity is and i've been playing this game for...
activating pistons with a piston from above
basicly
novel sonnet
you expect a 9 year old to know what that is and call it a dealbreaker for bedro...
When did I say that?
I said it wasnt really the same game
native grove
you expect a 9 year old to know what that is and call it a dealbreaker for bedro...
No
twin lagoon
the point is that the differences aren't large enough for someone to consider it's a completely different game
novel sonnet
Ehh believe what you want to
native grove
the point is that the differences aren't large enough for someone to consider it...
And still not so little to be the same
twin lagoon
if someone were to start their first time playing minecraft on any versions of the game it wouldn't matter
novel sonnet
if someone were to start their first time playing minecraft on any versions of t...
We arent talking about 5 y/o's
novel sonnet
lol
cunning raft
insane how many of you don't understand how much of a bubble we're all in
the average Minecrafter isn't in a Minecraft server software discord
or anywhere near it
twin lagoon
the current generation of players, even just the 15 year olds are growing up playing the game on bedrock
it's the most accessible version
novel sonnet
the current generation of players, even just the 15 year olds are growing up pla...
Well.. not to be annoying but I read online the average Minecraft community was ~22?
twin lagoon
yes i am sure they're marketing all of the minecraft merch, food, brand integrations towards 22 year olds
i cannot wait to eat some minecraft ice cream and wear my minecraft pyjamas
hard stone
Well.. not to be annoying but I read online the average Minecraft community was ...
I think we have different definitions of community
novel sonnet
I think we have different definitions of community
What is your defenition?
For me it's every player that has atleast played a little while
warm anchor
They should pay more attention to attract new players. You canāt sell games to people who already own the game.
novel sonnet
They should pay more attention to attract new players. You canāt sell games to p...
Correct
I would almost thing there are more existing Minecraft players that need a new account/lost an old one than new players
cunning raft
source: i made it up
novel sonnet
source: i made it up
For my message? Yeah
hard stone
For me at least engages with other people and understands something about the topic.
And well, with that definition I think 22 is feasable.
With the opposite "plays the game" is not someone part of the community, so more 13-19?
And then there is the money target group with merch and ingame cosmetics ^^
novel sonnet
As I said, I would almost think
novel sonnet
For me at least engages with other people and understands something about the to...
Many sources say 22-24
As average
warm anchor
My source tell me thatās wrong
twin lagoon
there are no reliable sources on that
novel sonnet
there are no reliable sources on that
Correct
hard stone
I mean, many people who play the game are not even allowed to do that by age.
magic river
Even if the average was 22 they still most likely started playing on bedrock
novel sonnet
I mean, many people who play the game are not even allowed to do that by age.
Isnt the PEGI a recommendation?
twin lagoon
found some paper on demographic evolution of the minecraft playerbase by someone at the university of north carolina and it basically only quotes unreliable sources lol
novel sonnet
found some paper on demographic evolution of the minecraft playerbase by someone...
There aren't any reliable sources
Even Microsoft wouldn't now
hard stone
Just get the age of the payment method used to buy the game and merch /s
twin lagoon
microsoft can certainly get a good enough number on it
novel sonnet
microsoft can certainly get a good enough number on it
Lying about your age, parent's accounts?
hard stone
-# Why would you lie about your age when pegi is just a recommendation?
twin lagoon
there's enough data / telemetry on most services to get a good enough estimation + paid research surveys with a large enough userbase
i think you can again make a good estimation yourself if you're just looking at how minecraft is marketed vs other games
hard stone
The age estimate algorithms are interesting and graving at the same time, in my opinion.
magic river
They can pretend they believe whatever you set your age to when thats convenient but they have an age or age range estimated for you based on behavior
gleaming spear
Even if the average was 22 they still most likely started playing on bedrock
My sources who like to remain anonymous say, that some ppl who started playing on bedrock because of kids having it on console
twin lagoon
even discord is predicting your age off of your message data as we speak
gleaming spear
But is it?
twin lagoon
yeah lol it's in your account data, even predicts your gender
hard stone
But is it?
They even made it publicly used in UK when I am not wrong? Or at least planned to?
gleaming spear
Whut
twin lagoon
you think the average user who doesn't use an adblocker or have like any opsec would not have a reasonably predictable age by now
sage sinew
yeah lol it's in your account data, even predicts your gender
100% you can request this data
magic river
2019?
little frost
yeah lol it's in your account data, even predicts your gender
mine doesn't have any data :(
sage sinew
I have it in my bio <:lookAtThisDude:1449736089840648273>
Can ya send me that "my time is your X" thingy pls?
true canyon
I just use - https://r.3v.fi/discord-timestamps/
sage sinew
I am on mobile
warm anchor
gleaming spear
I just use - https://r.3v.fi/discord-timestamps/
well, for mobile use that 
shrimple
sage sinew
Danke
gleaming spear
My 12:00 AM (00:00) is your <t:-3600:t> it is
tho, I still dunno if 12:00 AM is midnight or midday
hard stone
Do you really need to prefix it with an \ to edit that thing?
gleaming spear
if you use @time? yes
like you would do with emojis, channels, mentions, etc.
[#paper-dev](/guild/289587909051416579/channel/555462289851940864/) i.e.
warm anchor
tho, I still dunno if 12:00 AM is midnight or midday
Midnight
hard stone
Just give me my unrendered input back :')
kind vapor
@viscid oar
gleaming spear
<@667166847636078593>
on PC, not mobile
kind vapor
yeah I'm on PC
gleaming spear
then click arrow up to select the bottom one
kind vapor
wrongly mentioned some random person
gleaming spear
self inflicted pings, like those nicknaming themselves @nullable in a java community
agile portal
if only <:WHEEZE:938951509465522237>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_cloc...
I like the 12 m
hard stone
Why is the afk timeout in my discord user settings and where can I change that oO
warm anchor
if only <:WHEEZE:938951509465522237>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_cloc...
We donāt care about what UK people think
timber sentinel
you should use #paper-help for help
high portal
you should use <#289587909051416579> for help
oki thx
acoustic pilot
taco
green edge
since paper-help is now for paper help
void void
what happened here?
upper flicker
** THE RESHUFFLING **
vestal jasper
hey can I get some help with paper
green edge
does anybody know any premade application i can use to transform my phone in a web audio conferencing app?
vestal jasper
am no good with paper pls to help
void void
i just came back and everythig is wiped out
golden gust
No
heady spear
Stop copying intellectualsites
golden gust
The chairs are still covered in paint
green edge
lol š
vestal jasper
what about standing or sitting in another channel? is that ok?
green edge
copying is the best form of flattery @heady spear
golden gust
We've been meaning to do this for a while, I believe that we just hit the "We need to do it now" phase š
heady spear
He just told you to do it
void void
I left only for a mere 2 minutes and then the chat was purged
heady spear
Yes, you need to because we did it.
cosmic raft
it wasn't purged
heady spear
Copycat.
vestal jasper
@void void boop
golden gust
ex #paper-help
heady spear
Electronic copycat.
void void
@vestal jasper vicarius
upper flicker
3:19 PM Citymonstret: He just told you to do it
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wtf is this now
upper flicker
You must not be familiar with the personalities of all the team
there is very little dictatorship going on
void void
@golden gust I am a better cat
upper flicker
its more oligarchical
heady spear
Smh I only run dictatorships. Makes me feel stronk
void void
electroniccat is a mere robot while i am an actual real cat
heady spear
Nah but itās a good idea to actually have help channels on here. Good initiative.
heady spear
Although, the clusterfuck was a big part of the charm
static badge
it looks like paper is finally becoming a true discord guild
acoustic pilot
To thank you for being a valued 2 TB Google One member, we're giving you a Google Home Mini at no charge. We'll even cover shipping. lol wat
static badge
2 terabytes?
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2 terabytes google one member
gloomy sphinx
they want to listen to you...
upper flicker
I dont even let my phone do the always listening thing
pls keep your google home mini
heady spear
If I owned intellectualsites Iād shut it down, no need for it with the new organised paper shit
static badge
send everyone over here :>
gloomy sphinx
its funny because edward snowden must be bashing himself in the head with all these lame ass government spying devices being pushed to consumers just because they cant fucking push 2 buttons for a song
acoustic pilot
Fuck ya paranoid asses, I'm taking it lol
static badge
here we go :>
gloomy sphinx
i hope the government launches an attack in australia and kills md_5 with help of YOUR data
heady spear
I bet you have loads of juicy info that the government would be interested in.
Yāall seem important and all, bet they are targeting you specifically.
acoustic pilot
ye im actually a Chinese spy
gloomy sphinx
when WW3 happens online and your fucking google mini home starts walking on its own you know youve fucked up
heady spear
Just install FAWE and it wonāt hurt you.
gloomy warren
Or stay on your plot
heady spear
PlotSquared is a worse meme
gloomy sphinx
only way to kill one of these devices is a 48v poe dont forget that
heady spear
Who the fuck has a room where coral would look nice? Are you my Russian grandma?
acoustic pilot
I guess I have a thing for bright colors lol
void void
bye bye private life
static badge
chalk is better
slim nymph
igave my nephew my google home cause he annoyed me too much with it when he was over
gloomy sphinx
might be color blind and ya dont even know it
slim nymph
so i just wanted it out of my home
acoustic pilot
So then am I also the only one who likes the red Beats Pill? lol
heady spear
Coral works fine in pretty much every Swedish home, as youāre legally forced to leave the country unless you have all black ikea furniture
native helm
Or just because it looks cool and doesn't have to match anything else
void void
thats not true, im swedish and i have a charcoal one
vestal jasper
excuse me FAWE threatened to kill me once
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268444645527126017/527206197917384707/unknown.png
heady spear
You are not a real Swede.
wide hazel
Neat
void void
š®
heady spear
I wish iron would release FAWE so I could stop getting daily messages about it
But then again, we have no way to access the spigot page, lol.
vestal jasper
Would be nice if there were other people also working on FAWE
instead of a single person with little free time
acoustic pilot
You could donate your time š
vestal jasper
I'm no where near good enough to contribute to FAWE
heady spear
Combustible did make some important contributions
upper flicker
@heady spear have whoever is actually running the FAWE project shoot me a PM here on Discord
heady spear
Lol spelling
upper flicker
I can probably help you out with the page
heady spear
Not even intentional
upper flicker
prooooobably
heady spear
@lean gale
Listen to the dude.
Honestly, Jesse should have transferred it to I-S, smh. Canāt believe he didnāt just give me his resource.
acoustic pilot
Too many things that can kill you in Aus, don't do it
heady spear
I have his personal info, I shall fly there and fight him
heady spear
Jesse also posted the resource on literally every site and I canāt access it anywhere
Iām not even listed as the owner on Bukkit.
tropic flame
Hello
heady spear
Hi.
tropic flame
Is it just with Portugal that Instagram is high asf?
Feed doesn't load properly, messages take 20 minutes to send if not more
heady spear
unreal quarry
Ooooh, discord has evolved :o
quasi valley
indeed
quasi valley
gotta enjoy the last few months without ads on WA
tropic flame
Whatsapp has ads?
quasi valley
not... yet
tropic flame
Ah fuck
tropic flame
Yeah that's from IRC
acoustic pilot
Death to IRC
tropic flame
I remember there was a Google bot but I think it got down and never came back
acoustic pilot
Time to do a cool discord bot š
vestal jasper
hurt me 
native helm
New IRC for every channel in Discord
heady spear
tropic flame
@quasi valley anyway I might get courage to install lucky patcher just to remove whatsapp ads if that happens lol
heady spear
The bot had the right idea.
quasi valley
hopefully another app will fill the void through some big old drama and replace whatsapp for more than just a few people
static badge
nice bot
tropic flame
What no
heady spear
Delete your internet
quasi valley
i like twitter the most haha
tropic flame
Yeah Twitter is like, the intelectual social media website
heady spear
Twitter is just for sjw feminist genderqueer alt right nazis
tropic flame
The rest is old people and fake bodies
quasi valley
š
vestal jasper
sorry I don't like you therefore you cannot view my public tweets
heady spear
āYeah Twitter is like, the intelectual social media websiteā excuse me what
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intellectual social media website
vestal jasper
Twitter is the least intellectual
quasi valley
tropic flame
@heady spear I don't know what kind of people you follow but I follow people from my age range and I can see myself on the tweets I get on my feed
quasi valley
insta
static badge
let's be real here the true intellectual social media website is paper mc discord #paper-help channel
heady spear
Intellectualsites is intellectual
vestal jasper
70 year olds on facebook have more fucking brain cells than the average twitter user
static badge
twitter will pair you with people similar to you
static badge
IS is not intellectual at all :>
vestal jasper
halfs
static badge
halfs
tropic flame
Spottedleaf, actually I start following people through retweets, someone who I follow retweets someone, the tweet was funny/interesting, I check their profile, I follow
static badge
aren't those halfs for different purposes
heady spear
He is clearly a Facebook user.
static badge
wtf
heady spear
Spotted is a tumblr kid
quasi valley
logic we have to rebel, they want to silence us
static badge
am tumbl u down a hill
heady spear
vestal jasper
try
quasi valley
ask if he succeeded
vestal jasper
it's very hard for me to open up my panel and click a few buttons city :(
heady spear
Donāt talk to me like that. You know it turns me on.
tropic flame
Tbh is whatsapp a social media app? A classmate told me thst it is... But for me it's just an instant messaging service
He says it's a social media because of the statuses
quasi valley
heady spear
By that logic github is a social media
tropic flame
And he keeps "hitting on the same key" about it
Because you can see other people's statuses and they have pics and videos
quasi valley
tell him hes a facebook user
vestal jasper
i'm going to change my nickname constantly and use it as a status
discord's now a social media
heady spear
Thatās hot.
gloomy warren
Every status = new git repo?
quasi valley
and sub stati with commits
heady spear
Github has user statuses lol
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stati
vestal jasper
let the memery commence
gloomy warren
issues = comments
tropic flame
SpigotMC is a social media
quasi valley
spotted, hush
tropic flame
It has Status updates
heady spear
SpigotMC also has 12 year old kids threatening to commit suicide if you donāt do as they wish
Itās basically tumblr without the quality memes
static badge
really where
tropic flame
Then he's like "ask to anyone else on the class" well maybe they'll agree with you because they don't understand about it l o l
heady spear
Well, not on spigot, but from spigot.
āMy server will die if you donāt help me and then I will die tooā basically
tropic flame
"you speak with people, it's social media"
quasi valley
the best part about spigot are the ones posting a new 1kb resource every hour to show their awesome skills
vestal jasper
"I'm rating 1 star and will only rate 5 if you give me support in the reviews!!!"
Can fuck off with your 1 star. Should be banned from spigot on sight for performing review terrorism.
tropic flame
(in Portuguese we call it "social network" or "social web" which makes it harder to counter tbh)
heady spear
Oh, and people cutting themselves and sending pictures of it to underage kids because of bad reviews.
static badge
wait wait wait
vestal jasper
spicy
static badge
where has that happened
heady spear
To be fair though, they did get a 1 week ban.
quasi valley
didnt know spigot is so dark haha
vestal jasper
not spigot, just some edgy devs
tropic flame
It's time to say it became Black Spigot
heady spear
Yes, there was.
tropic flame
BA DUM TSS
heady spear
There were loads of threads, but theyāre all gone now
Someone on codevision saved the entire history
I also talked directly to the person at the time, fun stuff.
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is it publicly archived
upper flicker
As an update, #paper on IRC will be bridging here and we'll be making a new #paper-help for bridging to the help channel
heady spear
What bothers me, and still bothers me, is that it was never fully dealt with.
upper flicker
thatll get changed in a few hours
quasi valley
sounds good
woven otter
aboose
heady spear
The person is still allowed to go on about their daily business
They even asked for donations during their ban
From people that had already paid for the plugins
Because they couldnāt communicate with them for that week.
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/0yOEj3N.png
that doesn't seem ok
static badge
I'd expect registering listeners to be expensive
golden gust
Spongie ā¤
upper flicker
Spongie is pretty great
heady spear
Can people stop releasing half assed browsers
tropic flame
Since our screens are only getting bigger, it makes sense to put the most used UI elements right at the bottom of our devices.
I don't agree with this at all tbh
I mean, at least I hope they give an option to put it on the top
quasi valley
well if your phone has a notch then congrats they moved from the best place to block a bit from to the worst
tropic flame
@heady spear it's still in development, but there's a nightly build
slim nymph
im actually kinda interested i nthe idea
wide chasm
I personally use a raw JavaFX WebView for browsing
slim nymph
i have a really tall phone thats inconvenient to reach to the top
upper flicker
mozilla has been kinda killing it lately all around
jade light
My hand doesn't reach the top of my screen, have to use both hands
upper flicker
be cool to see what they do with that
heady spear
Brave is still amazing
upper flicker
I know chrome and others are looking at a bottom address bar too
heady spear
Use brave.
upper flicker
for exactly that reason
slim nymph
yeah i have to move my hand on the device or stretch hard
thats my biggest complaint about the 6P, its too tall
and i have HUGE hands
jade light
Yesterday they released Send, a free to use encrypted temp file storage
heady spear
Hereās a concept: donāt get giant phones if you have small hands.
slim nymph
i have big hands š
heady spear
Ok trump
tropic flame
lol trump still rocks a galaxy S3
slim nymph
I cant believe I said nexus 6p lol, i meant pixel2
heady spear
Err, yuuuuge hands.
tropic flame
hmm what's the minimum android version
upper flicker
google has a page of distribution numbers that still connect to the play store
its ... not great
but better than it used to be
slim nymph
cosmic raft
@slim nymph see ping!
tropic flame
having the address bar at the bottom reminds me of some generic "adblock browsers" from play store that actually don't block ads at all
that's why I use firefox, I have actual extension support
upper flicker
I dont mind the address bar at the top of my phone but Its not that much work to get to it
those random one off jumbo things samsung keeps making
that might be bad
or people with smaller hands I guess
idk just give me a toggle
heady spear
I donāt know why youād buy a giant phone in the first place
And certainly not why youād then complain about it being too big
slim nymph
well i like big real estate, its just i dont like its vertical, wish it pushed more horizontal a tad
heady spear
The Samsung phones are really tall and skinny
slim nymph
not like they give you a choice "P2XL vs P2XL but shorter"
heady spear
So yeah, I guess that makes sense
upper flicker
I got it for the real estate yeah
its nice
I assume personal preference, your hand size, etc all factor in
its not really an issue for me
heady spear
I use my phone to take dick pics and play temple run
upper flicker
my gf probably wouldnt like it
heady spear
I donāt need a 50ā screen
slim nymph
its fine overall, but i wouldnt of minded a .5" height reduction honestly
.3"~
.5 maybe too much
heady spear
Put some electrical tape over the top
tropic flame
are 6 inch phones a thing now
I remember when nexus 6 dropped it was criticised for being too big
now phones are much bigger
vestal jasper
Can I sue youtube for constantly breaking / disabling dark theme?
heady spear
Yes
vestal jasper
my eyesight is worsening because of it
tropic flame
maybe you're clearing cookies?
heady spear
Is that fat shaming?
vestal jasper
I'm not
slim nymph
@tropic flame P2XL is 6.2" height
vestal jasper
The feature stays enabled but it doesn't switch to dark theme
upper flicker
I have those too
tropic flame
tbh it's the industry's fault that tablets are dying, advertise them in place of bigger phones ffs
upper flicker
use them for different things
heady spear
The s8 is 5.8 and I almost think itās too big
OMG both a laptop and a phone. Rich kid.
vestal jasper
Honestly save $600 and spend that on a better laptop / tablet / surface
why do you need a $1000 phone
waste of money imo
vestal jasper
Ok let me rephrase
heady spear
Why do you have both a tablet and a computer? Smh, spoiled.
vestal jasper
$1000 is a fucking waste on a phone
heady spear
And a phone*
slim nymph
consider that someone like me is on my phone as much as my home computer if not more....
upper flicker
I mean, you can make that same argument about everything
slim nymph
why wouldnt yuo ensure you had a great phone?
upper flicker
why'd you get x car I can get y used car
vestal jasper
Ok but what do you get out of it?
upper flicker
thats a fucking waste
slim nymph
phone is an absolutely critical element of life
upper flicker
its a dumb argument
heady spear
I need to sell my second iPad
upper flicker
people spend money where they want to spend money and dont where they dont
heady spear
Does anyone need an unused iPad 2018?
upper flicker
if you try to apply your own opinions to everyone elses spending habits youre stupid
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
slim nymph
you want a solid phone that has top notch battery, cpu, screen real estate, memory
vestal jasper
You're creating a paradox where one doesn't need to be, Z
slim nymph
storage
upper flicker
no
your opinion is stupid
and Im telling you why
because its yours
its not mine
its not his
its not anyones but yours
slim nymph
my p2xl is going to be a solid phone for years
heady spear
But yāall spend money then complain that the product you spent money on is too big to be usable
vestal jasper
you could say anything is stupid
supid compared to what?
city is stupid compared to einstein.
so what?
slim nymph
now, do i wish it didnt cost 1k? hell yeah. it was hard to swallow for me
upper flicker
yes thats how opinions works
thats not a paradox
google that word and get back to us
heady spear
Where the fuck did that come from V?
Who would spend 1k on anything smh?
Live a minimalistic lifestyle like me
I only own the bare essentials and Iām happy.
upper flicker
jokes on you I dont have $1k
well I probably would if I sold some stuff
I like my stuff though
heady spear
I would if I sold my graphics card
upper flicker
rip car
slim nymph
I work hard, I want the best š
slim nymph
i grew up poor.
heady spear
I spent $3000 to read reddit posts.
upper flicker
Some people spend boatloads on the latest nvidia ztx potato8000
then play fortnite
I dont get that
heady spear
Donāt talk shit about the nvidia potato
upper flicker
but w/e live and let live
heady spear
My 2080 looks really pretty in my case.
fallen oracle
I'm perfectly happy with a 1080 TI
slim nymph
but I am stil lpretty reasonable most of the time. Like I lost my 6th monitor, considered replacing my 3 primary with IPS's lol, but i refrained
upper flicker
pfft look at this poor kid
heady spear
Couldnāt afford the ti ok Iām poor
upper flicker
probably dont wanna be his friend
slim nymph
as id then have 2-3 monitors sitting around
heady spear
I couldnāt afford it because I had to buy a second iPad. Remember?
upper flicker
goes to play minesweeper
slim nymph
I usually justify upgrades when I can hand old down to family
heady spear
Now I have two iPads and a budget graphics card.
upper flicker
didnt you say one of the ipads had a busted screen or something
upper flicker
I know iPads are pretty dirt cheap now
but I think its still cheaper to replace the screen
than get a whole new one
upper flicker
maybe that was your replacement then
heady spear
Lol they just fucked up
upper flicker
My dad had a first gen ipad up until last week
finally convinced him to let me spend $300 and get him a replacement
heady spear
Honestly though, I use it as a feet warmer
fallen oracle
I have a 4th gen or whatever
upper flicker
he uses it all the time
fallen oracle
The first one with the lightning cable
upper flicker
birthday present I know he'll actually use and, I mean its not nothing but its not that bad for me atm
win/win
heady spear
I honestly regret spending as much money on my computer as I did
fallen oracle
You should
heady spear
Itās 6 months worth of rent.
gloomy sphinx
i only play minecraft on mine
vestal jasper
why is your computer levitating
heady spear
I donāt even play games :/
gloomy sphinx
magic
heady spear
I compile some random C shit for classes, and then I read pdfs
upper flicker
an rtx2080 is 6 months of rent?
heady spear
I use my iPad to spam discord
upper flicker
wtf is your rent
heady spear
The entire computer wtf
gloomy sphinx
ill give you a box and a spot outside my house
vestal jasper
heady spear
Lol, I live in the most expensive apartment complex in my town
fallen oracle
I spent 1300 on a 1080 TI, i7 8700k, water cooling, 256GB NVME, 1TB HDD
heady spear
Itās across the street from uni tho
upper flicker
whats an rtx2080 go for anymore
gloomy sphinx
conputers are fucking expensive
upper flicker
like $800
thats ... about 1 month of rent at an okay place here
Ill take the box
gloomy sphinx
i want a threadripperoni
upper flicker
good place to sleep
heady spear
I pay more for my single bedroom apartment than people at the other side of town do for three bedroom apartments
fallen oracle
I got a nice 30 inch hp omen 1440p 165hz for 300 when it was normally 800
So I think I did good
heady spear
Computer parts are really fucking expensive here
fallen oracle
Just dropped 100 last night for a 1TB nvme
gloomy sphinx
i sold a gtx 1070 when they went for $600 and then bought one a month later for $200
fallen oracle
Will be here tomorrow
Spent 30 on a pcie card to turn my old nvme into a regular hard drive
And then I also have a 3TB HDD in there
heady spear
A 2080 would be around $1000 here
stiff yarrow
jesus
gloomy sphinx
nossr50 where are the mcmmo updates
heady spear
Itās cheaper for me to go to the uk and buy the shit, and then fly back home
gloomy sphinx
yeah used parts are the smartest
stiff yarrow
@gloomy sphinx
gloomy sphinx
fallen oracle
I just picked up 16GB 3200hz DDR4 RAM for $50
heady spear
Itās very common to leave the country when buying expensive shit over here
Because everything in this fucking country is overpriced as hell
gloomy sphinx
leave the country
heady spear
Well, temporarily.
stiff yarrow
I need to replace my GPU but I don't wanna spend that kind of dosh when I barely play games
gloomy sphinx
move to australia i hear its good
vestal jasper
heady spear
Although Iād happily move away from here, lol.
upper flicker
@stiff yarrow whats your GPU currently
stiff yarrow
980 TI
upper flicker
bah its fine
gloomy sphinx
980 ti is fine wot
stiff yarrow
I need to replace it because its failing