folia-help

[viral stone]

Outside of that, use wsl

[grizzled karma]

Hello guys. I'm trying to update folia keep up with paper 1.20.6, but got a git failure when applyPatches.

Here is err msg:

Applying: MC-Dev fixes
Patch failed at 0002 MC-Dev fixes
If you prefer to skip this patch, run "git am --skip" instead.
To restore the original branch and stop patching, run "git am --abort".
error: invalid object 100644 dea20f16ac97402f754c8e47d03e9ef38de73190 for 'src/main/java/net/minecraft/world/entity/ai/Brain.java'
error: Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.

[untold tulip]

Hello back, I just did a new folder for my Folia on my C:\ for a shorter path(C:\Folia)

Now a famous cat told me to use WSL.

I am aware of it and use it sometimes for ollama and shit, but right now, since I want to run .bat or build my first Folia build, how can I use the WSL to compile folia please?

[grizzled karma]

Maybe try about github workspace? It's a handy & free linux dev-env.

[untold tulip]

I use vscode and "it works fine" when it wants 😛 So you are building folia more easily in a workspace? I did used that ... I could do it, would rather in local but if you tell me it works easily and it's simplier..

im on it already ...thanks for the suggestion hope it's gonna help! 🙂

[grizzled karma]

Offcourse building localy works very fine, but you mentioned up there someone recommned you to build in WSL, in my opinion setup a WSL env is more complicated than using github wrokspace.

[untold tulip]

Thanks for your advice .. ! imma give you a feed back if i suceed ;)!

[grizzled karma]

And GitHub workspace can be opened in your local vscode via SSH.

[untold tulip]

about the installation, in my mind live, I shall ru n the install.bar the jar.bat and patch.bat what about the rb.bat? anyone i should forget about?

I think I succeded install, faioled jar and im on patch live ..(patch was my main issue on vs code)

[grizzled karma]

When you build foila under linux os, I recommend first ./gradlew applyPatches then ./gradlew createMojmapPaperclipJar, I dont think run windows bat in linux is a good idea 🤔

[grizzled karma]

Here I'm having patch issue too 🥲

[primal oyster]

Honestly if you're not sure what you're doing you're better off waiting

that patch has conflicts with the upstream

you'll need to manually fix it

[little sable]

also, check that no bugs that could be serious can occur

[grizzled karma]

Thanks for advising. I resolved conflict before, but err such like "invalid object" is first time. If this err is sured caused by conflict, then I will try to fix it.
Anyway its a good chance to learing😉

[solar relic]

how much ram does folia uses with 150player and 15k*15k preloaded map.

[finite hinge]

About as much as Paper would

The answer to that is "it depends"

[solar relic]

is it gonne be more than 16GB

[finite hinge]

Probably not but... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar relic]

do you have any test about ram and cpu usage

[finite hinge]

Nope

I can tell you it's going to basically be identical to Paper for RAM usage

CPU usage will hopefully be higher, that's the whole point

[solar relic]

paper uses 6GB ram with 40 players

[finite hinge]

These things don't really scale linearly

Try it and see what happens

[solar relic]

yes

okay, thanks.

[prime juniper]

Hey guys when is stable version of Folia releasing?

[tawdry gull]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[tiny epoch]

Eta

[humble mesa]

i thought it would use more ram? Doesn't each region have the capability to use the same amount as a paper server?

[fair merlin]

Not quite the same amount.

It could use more RAM than Paper, or potentially the same. There’s not a ton of data out there for a 1:1 comparison.

At higher player counts you wouldn’t be able to make a 1:1 comparison either.

But the question of “how much RAM do I need” still doesn’t have a great answer because it depends on plugins, the players, etc. There’s no great “X RAM for Y players” that isn’t a random ballpark.

Best way is to get familiar with your setup and plugins and optimize from there.

[humble mesa]

ok, but i assume it can actually use more ram than a paper server which can only realistically utilize 12 gigs or so. Like, i am not asking how much i need, i am just curious what the limit is.

[fair merlin]

The limit as in how much RAM could you allocate? We gave the server 500GB and it ran fine.

[humble mesa]

nice, thats wild

[fair merlin]

Paper has like an upper bound of what it can use in theory because you can’t really make use of it.

With Folia you can because of the recognizing. Which was the whole point, basically.

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[humble mesa]

pretty sure you can run into performance bottlenecks if you over allocate with paper though, right?

[fair merlin]

But yeah if you have the map size and the player count and the headroom for GC you can run a ton of RAM. You just might not need to.

[fair merlin]

Yeah exactly.

You can with Folia, too, we just don’t have a great frame of reference for what those are yet.

[humble mesa]

yeah, thats fair. Thats crazy that i could actually use that much ram though

[fair merlin]

With an accompanying CPU and core count to work, yeah.

That was like the first public performance test (info in pins) so we were trying to push the limits.

[humble mesa]

of course. Server runs on a ryzen 9 7950x rn, so switching to folia should be fine in the future

[finite hinge]

RAM usage is mostly based on number of chunks loaded, that's not going to be different between Paper and Folia for a given player count

[fair merlin]

Yeah it’s not going to make sense to use a ton of RAM on a 8000x8000 map with only 10 players.

Which is why for a lot of smaller scenarios it makes more sense to use Paper.

[humble mesa]

we are semi-anarchy. 30mil world border. There are loads of chunks being loaded

haha

[fair merlin]

If you don’t have the core count, RAM, or map size

Then you’d need core and RAM, yeah.

[humble mesa]

for sure, but for my server folia is perfect

[fair merlin]

As long as the current feature limitations and plugins work for you, sure.

[humble mesa]

yeah, we haven't switched yet for that reason. I want to by the end of the year though. I am exited for the possibilities though

ty for the advice

[fair merlin]

More servers using it would be great. Especially publishing plugins and stuff so that then more others can use them/etc

[humble mesa]

Yeah, for sure. We dont really use any public plugins, but i would love to see more development

[knotty egret]

is there any gui api for folia?

[grizzled karma]

Yes UR right, there are lots of works to do. 🤣
I dont know if PaperMC have working on it, but my players are hunger for new version. So I will try to fix these conflict.

[fair merlin]

You’re probably going to want to wait until it gets updated.

Feel free to try but the 1.20.4->1.20.6 jump is a little tricky.

[grizzled karma]

Got it! I want to wait for 1.21 too, but the 1.20.5 updates about dogs are so attractive~ 😍

[fair merlin]

If you want to go through and update, go for it! Project is open source. Just know that we can’t support a fork if you have issues.

[grizzled karma]

🫡

[solar relic]

how much RAM do Folia use with no plugin 150 players and around 10 regions?

[finite hinge]

I think you misunderstood

It's not a formula where you plug in numbers for 3 variables and you get an answer, the point was "it depends" is really the only answer

[solar relic]

is it gonna be more than 16GB?

[manic quarry]

unlikely

people severely underestimate how much data 1gb is

[solar relic]

1.000.000.000 bayt

[primal oyster]

the bayts can fit a lot of stuff in it!

[manic quarry]

it can store roughly 12500 bee movie scripts

[obtuse carbon]

i mean for a well deserved reason

[manic quarry]

not really. it's just the scale. we have hundreds of them so what's 1 in face of that

1gb is still tremendous amount of data

[obtuse carbon]

it’s but caution is very important though

memory leaks happen

GC sometimes cannot do you any good

and incase of Folia, if you have that much allocated for CPU (~16 cores) you might as well allocate good enough amount of ram

[manic quarry]

nooooo? they should not happen

if they happen, you need to fix that lol

[primal oyster]

if you have memory leaks get ready to have a lot of a higher cpu usage and lag spikes no matter what

if you're using a g1gc, otherwise idk exactyl how it'll act on zgc etc, it'll probably just start to use more and more cpu for cycles and then just oom at some point

[solar relic]

memory leaks shouldn't happen if you are an experienced programmer. btw use OOM kill or -Xmx ALWAYS otherwise if you are using Linux OS will crash or if you are using Windows you will experience a very bad time even worse than the OS crash.

[daring nimbus]

Windows handles applications leaking memory just fine nowadays. Or well, probably since about Win 7

You get a dialogue window allowing you to close the application or continuing

[solar relic]

or it will try to use swan and freeze.

[fair merlin]

Don’t think I’d recommend anyone run Folia on Windows though.

Windows runs Paper poorly enough as it is.

[solar relic]

use dockers on Linux if you know how to do it.

[solar relic]

did you try macos?

[fair merlin]

MacOS would be fine. But doesn’t really make sense for a deployed server. And you can’t install macOS on non-Mac hardware which you’d want for Folia.

I don’t think anyone has done any M2/M3 tests for Folia but I don’t think ARM is going to perform better in this case.

[solar relic]

actually, you can install macos to ANY system that has a CPU (it is not legal, and I don't recommend it) and Apple has a Mac server so you can deploy a macos server(very old).

[fair merlin]

It’s a little more complicated than that, but either way, Linux and a high clock speed/core count CPU is what you want for Folia.

[solar relic]

If I give 12 cores of a ryzen9 5950x and 16GB is it enough for above 150 players on a preloaded terrain or would you recommend trying it?

[inner swift]

As a point of reference

[fair merlin]

Try it and see. How much RAM you need is gonna depend. Theres no easy answer.

[finite hinge]

Apple dropped MacOS X Server before they even switched to calling it macOS and they haven't made server hardware in over a decade

[calm fable]

is there a way to disable this? multiplayer.disconnect.too_many_pending_chats

[swift mason]

Very sad ngl

If apple still have server they could make more apple event and show more graph on how their server cpu have the most cores in the world

Or how their cpu can run all the professional server programs faster by 50x than their first server cpu with apple silicon

[viral stone]

They have the server app but nobody is really using apple hardware for servers outside of niche usecases

[finite hinge]

The Server app does not support versions of macOS newer than Monterey, marking the end of Mac OS X Server product line.

[viral stone]

oof

[calm fable]

is there any way to disable the kick on chat key stuff?

[glad latch]

HELP! How do we fix this breakdown?

[fierce knot]

2024-05-07-1.log by @glad latch: https://pastes.dev/Mmq9sLsa8D

[prime juniper]

It seems like you're not using the original Folia. You'd better reach out to the creators of your fork because it might not be a problem caused by the original Folia code.

Or try to reproduce it on the original Folia and then submit a issue on GitHub.

[glad latch]

thanks

[nova talon]

I compiled the jar of folia, how do i install it on a server host

[viral stone]

like any other server jar

you'd need to seek your hosts documentation, etc, for specifics, but it's generally "plop it in the folder and tell the panel to use that jar"

[nova talon]

Okay i will try that

[rough breach]

are there any good scoreboard plugins for folia?

[finite hinge]

Get used to writing your own plugins, there isn't much

[nova talon]

i found a crate plugin for folia but how do i get the jar https://github.com/R00tB33rMan/ExcellentCrates-Folia

its not like compiling folia but different

someone help pls

[livid crag]

@nova talon you should reach out to the developers. This channel isn’t do help with random plugin

[nova talon]

theres nowhere to reach out to them so i thought id ask here

bc ur all specialized on such things ig

[livid crag]

If the plugin is provided as is, it’s likely the developer do not wish to carry the burden of support. Either figure it out yourself or find another plugin where developer is fine with doing free support.

[nova talon]

In which config can i configure folia

i got it to run on my server

[nova talon]

anyways i found it i think except for the io netty

threaded-regions:
grid-exponent: 2
threads: -1

is this threads here for 1 region each or for all regions in total

[viral stone]

it's the number of threads used by that pool

[finite hinge]

Its how many threads for the threadpool that is used to tick regions, -1 means let the server pick based on how many cores you have

[nova talon]

i think i leave it on -1

[finite hinge]

It's all regions, setting it to 10 doesn't mean you get 10 regions though

-1 is a good place to start, yeah

[nova talon]

im disabling nether and end

so it can have more regions in overworld

[livid crag]

that... that's not how it works. The region will increase and decrease based on things such as player activities and how far away they are to each other.

[nova talon]

for me it generated regions in both end and nether when i started folia

so i had 3

and i was one player

[livid crag]

That's becasue you probably have keep-spawn-loaded enabled.

That's a Paper feature

[nova talon]

since im limited on my cpu kinda im leaving nether and end disabled tho

[livid crag]

doubltful that would help a lot. Player dont normally live in those place to begin with

[nova talon]

my players are stupid enough to actually do that

i have like 150 active ones and half of em are like that

[grizzled karma]

Greetings, maintainers. I'm done with 1.20.6 update. Could you review it please?
https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/pull/220

[nova talon]

anyone know how to fix that here?
https://pastebin.com/HgpKVsLX

[manic quarry]

you need to add the effect on a region scheduler for the region the entity is in

or entity scheduler

[hexed ice]

it's from the tick loop, not a plugin

consider opening an issue

[manic quarry]

oh, interesting

oh, it's dolphin

[viral stone]

it's adding an effect to a player

[manic quarry]

yep, the fast swimming one

I wonder how did that happen

[viral stone]

I'd guess that a player teleported or something and the thing doesn't check if the player is still within the same region

[manic quarry]

maybe player teleported, but was still referenced in the goal

yep

[solar relic]

How can i install spesific version of the source code from github.

[solar relic]

how can ı use paper api 1.13 with folia api 1.20.1?

[finite hinge]

Err, what?

You can't

[solar relic]

can i do that

[obtuse basin]

why would you want to do that?

[finite hinge]

I suspect that's just going to pick one and do nothing useful or just break

[solar relic]

i want my plugin compatible with 1.13 paper and 1.20 folia

[finite hinge]

iirc some people have been having issues with Material and Particle and such because they had different versions of the API in their dependencies and things didn't know how to handle the conflicting definitions

[viral stone]

I mean, if you use 1.13 paper then you're not going to have access to the internals, as you cannot see multiple versions of an class

you would need to deal with the abstraction using some library that will hide that for you, or deal with it using modules or reflection or whatever

[scenic sky]

1.13 is quite an odd version to use

[solar relic]

i still want to support 1.13 and 1.20 folia

[viral stone]

well

either you target a newer version of the API so that you can see the new methods

you use modules so that you can target both the old and new version in seperate modules

you use reflection

or you find a library that will deal with calling into the correct scheduler for you

[solar relic]

I have a method for calling the correct scheduler but i don't know how to use the 1.20.1 folia scheduler with 1.13 paper api.

[viral stone]

you can't

which is literally my entire point here

you'd need to use methods that exist in 1.20

which, you once again have multiple options

[16:45]electroniccat[no-ping]: you use modules so that you can target both the old and new version in seperate modules
[16:45]electroniccat[no-ping]: you use reflection
[16:45]electroniccat[no-ping]: or you find a library that will deal with calling into the correct scheduler for you

[solar relic]

okay, thanks.

[paper stone]

is this diff intended ?

[grizzled karma]

I think that's IDEA's beheaver, It flip classes into *.

[paper stone]

[manic quarry]

usually you want to inline the package when working with patches on existing server files

[viral stone]

set the import thingies to like, 99999

wildcard imports are evil anyways

[grizzled karma]

Sry for that, I didn't noticed it. 🫣

[grizzled karma]

Now it should be more nice.
https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/pull/220/commits/e11a709b335774e10fade0ade952a73d7dd577a7

[cosmic pawn]

what servers currently run folia in production

[livid crag]

Notable one are 2b2t and donutSMP that I know of

[cosmic pawn]

Right right

[livid crag]

bstat said there are many more but we don’t know who they are

[cosmic pawn]

So hyped for when upgrade to Folia

Been waiting for a proper solution to horizontally scaling SMP servers

[livid crag]

Localized lag is probably biggest selling point yes

[cosmic pawn]

For years

[livid crag]

And if it can withstand the abuse from 2b players, I’d say it’s pretty damn stable

[cosmic pawn]

That’s what I’ve been saying

Whos the lead dev of Folia again?

[livid crag]

The rat king

I mean spottedleaf

[cosmic pawn]

Swag

[livid crag]

It’s pretty much his solo project

[cosmic pawn]

Glad he was bothered to do it

It’s a great concept that others have tried before and not really been successful with

Like MultiPaper and Mammoth

[finite hinge]

This is vertical scaling, horizontal scaling would be multipaper

Well, I guess if you look at it in terms of CPU cores used you could kind of argue it's horizontal but that feels like an abuse of the term

[solar relic]

does "Bukkit.getScheduler().runTaskAsynchronously" works on folia?

[arctic tapir]

no

[primal oyster]

iirc no calls from the .getScheduler() work, its all wrapped on throw new

[solar relic]

okay.

[scenic juniper]

I wrote a Folia Scheduler utility for PacketEvents using reflections, as my plugins support 1.8.8-1.20.6 + Folia. You might want to take a look at that:
https://github.com/retrooper/packetevents/pull/709

[plain shuttle]

does the Spark profiler word on Folia?

[manic quarry]

you have to compile folia build

not sure if there's an up to date prebuilt jar

[plain shuttle]

nope it is´nd

[obtuse basin]

https://ci.lucko.me/job/spark-folia/

There is a build from February

[plain shuttle]

🫡

[manic quarry]

smh, spoonfeeding

[obtuse basin]

spoon?

soft spoon?

[manic quarry]

🥄

[obtuse basin]

soft spoon ♥️

[manic quarry]

it's made of mercury

that's why it's soft

[obtuse basin]

its made of mache, thats why its soft

it actually fits so well

[cosmic pawn]

Anyone know a good join/leave message plugin that works on folia?

[primal oyster]

a what

ah

[cosmic pawn]

lol

[primal oyster]

you can probably get that written yourself in java in like 1h

if youre learning from scratch

[cosmic pawn]

You think so?

I'm pretty so-so at plugin coding

I also would need to implement PAPI

[manic quarry]

papi on folia?

hope you can build that yourself

[primal oyster]

It works on previous versions

And the previous version works on the new mapping stuff with a small exception

[manic quarry]

plugin itself might work

[primal oyster]

Just hard code the spigot= true and the version

[manic quarry]

but the expansions

[primal oyster]

It'll not work itself by default already on 1.20.6

It used to work on the previous without the mapping stuff

it tries v1.20.3

[manic quarry]

there's na guarantee that papi expansions will adhere folia limitations

that's why papi doesn't add folia-supported

the plugin itself is just an api basically

the expansions do the work

[primal oyster]

would be nice to add a
isFoliaSupported();

on each expan

[viral stone]

I mean, generally you'd do that sorta thing in the manifest, otherwise you have to blindly init stuff to check

[pseudo ibex]

Heyyy I was wondering if anyone had any idea on how to fix this bug I keep on encountering whenever I build a project on Ubuntu. https://mclo.gs/k83w4CC It keeps on saying permission denied.

[arctic tapir]

chmod +x gradlew

[pseudo ibex]

Huh it just says cannot find basically

cat: /home/test/.sdkman/var/platform: No such file or directory
find: ‘/home/test/.sdkman/ext’: No such file or directory
touch: cannot touch '/home/test/.sdkman/var/delay_upgrade': No such file or directory
-bash: /home/test/.sdkman/var/candidates: No such file or directory
test@Laptop:~$ chmod +x gradlew
chmod: cannot access 'gradlew': No such file or directory
test@Laptop:~$

[finite hinge]

Uh, I feel like your laptop is very broken

[pseudo ibex]

) :

[arctic tapir]

make sure ur in the right directory

[finite hinge]

But I doubt gradlew exists in your home directory

It would be in the directory you cloned paper in to

[arctic tapir]

you did the chmod in ~ not DeluxeMe us

[finite hinge]

Oh, or not paper

Wait this is folia anyway 😛

[arctic tapir]

also wrong channel

[pseudo ibex]

Lol

hahahha

whoops

my bad

[finite hinge]

Also DeluxeMenus has a bug in their git repo, it should be storing metadata that marks that file as executable so it just is when you clone

Guessing they made the thing on Windows

[pseudo ibex]

oh ok, so I should try a different one aye?

[arctic tapir]

what

[pseudo ibex]

Oh it started working again after I tried another project, strange.

[pseudo ibex]

I had to build them as a shadow jar in intellej

[thorny snow]

Why is no region being created?

[livid crag]

If players are close, they will be in same region. Please consult the Folia readme on how it works.

[idle furnace]

Good morning guys, is 1.20.6 branch compiling ok with you?

or do you need extra steps now

[twin spindle]

folia dev bundle for 1.20.6 is exist?

[idle furnace]

the branch is available

[twin spindle]

oh, I know about that

ok, sorry

[idle furnace]

np m8

[twin spindle]

so this branch really is available

I builded server yesterday

[idle furnace]

guess new gradle is needed..., nop I have the latest one

Task generateMappings FAILED
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

• What went wrong:
  Execution failed for task 'generateMappings'.

A failure occurred while executing io.papermc.paperweight.tasks.GenerateMappings$GenerateMappingsAction
Unable to resolve class data binding for 'jdk/jfr/Event' which is listed as the super class for 'net/minecraft/util/profiling/jfr/event/WorldLoadFinishedEvent'

[swift mason]

It’s the dev one

[thorny snow]

They where spread in a 10k region

I've read the readme

[primal oyster]

honestly that's really mostly not true unless you messed with the grid exp

[finite hinge]

100 players evenly spread through a 10000x10000 world would maybe each get their own region but only if they didn't move. Folia eagerly merges regions (it has to, the alternative is to crash) but is more reluctant to split them. If your players are regularly coming in range of each other the server might have just never thought splitting was worth it

10000x10000 and the players are in 2-6 clusters (like factions) would be more likely to actually get regions but I imagine at the start of a server everyone is wandering everywhere trying to mine and find spawners, villages, strongholds, etc

So you either need a bigger world or you need to hope people settle down soon and your plugins/rules encourage them to settle down in groups of players, not solo

[twin spindle]

how I can forceupgrade world to 1.20.6 by update chunks to 1.20.6?

[viral stone]

We do not recommend force upgrading

[twin spindle]

because why?

[viral stone]

Because running mass data mutations for practically 0 gain with 0 ability to properly vet the data is generally dumb

[fair merlin]

Chunks will update themselves. No need to force them.

[finite hinge]

They update fast enough (and not on the main/region thread anyway) so there is no point to doing it all up front, only downsides

[twin spindle]

and how can you update the data about spavn mobs? because in 1.20.5 added variations of wolves and armadillos, but with the server from 1.20.4, something can be done?

[plain shuttle]

Hey i am running folia and we Play SMP an i noticed that my Iron farm and the Raid farm is not working

[timid grotto]

folia changes how mobs spawn, on top of the changes paper/spigot make

youll need to either design one that works on folia or find a design that already exists for folia

[fair merlin]

You mean if you update a 1.20.4 world? Passive mobs will spawn in like normal. But if you aren’t loading chunks you might have to “seed” them a bit by spawning some in if you want more

Same issue that Paper would have really

[keen carbon]

Both are working, probably a plugin is blocking them or the players may not have done it properly.

[plain shuttle]

jup we testet it 2hours and a player missed 2 observers xD

sorry about that

[twin spindle]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/c7d7d08319764502b532d79d8160c0dc I got this error, why?

[manic quarry]

likely because you're using a dev version that has not been deemed to be ready for merging with master branch yet

[twin spindle]

I know, but I can reported this error?

[manic quarry]

open an issue ig

seems like worldgen tried to place a structure and failed

[twin spindle]

is a every structure like village

[manic quarry]

not a clue, all I read is structure generator freaking out

[twin spindle]

hmm, I am read code now to

I'm think problem in...

because I got error with reason Feature placement
and catch error with Entity as Cat in structure Village

[strong cradle]

I'm looking at running a custom Folia server with my own code. Is there a hard cap for the amount of cores Folia can use?

[inner swift]

I don't see anything about that in the code, so I guess no

Though, ofc, it'll only scale with as many regions you have

[primal oyster]

No there isn't

[finite hinge]

It'll stop scaling past a certain number due to locking overhead but there is no hard cap that I'm aware of

[humble mesa]

Use dual Threadripper PRO 7995WX, LOL

[fair merlin]

NUMA may behave funky. Not officially supported at the moment.

[modest ore]

Is there an advancement level of the project about opening?

[arctic tapir]

what?

[modest ore]

Actually, Folia isn't available to download for everyone (we should build it ourself). But is there a date when it will be available to everyone ? Or a porcentage of what should be done before release

[inner swift]

There's not a timeline for it

But I don't see much of a point for general availability tbh, as it's not a general purpose project

[modest ore]

so it's mostly not a project to make a release, and will stay in this "state" for a long time as it's intended ?

[inner swift]

I dunno ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But, like, vast majority of plugins haven't made a Folia compatible version, and there's still the higher hardware requirements

[modest ore]

some of them (as highly download) already made some works? I would also say, I made one, and it breaks 2 times for my anticheat so yes maybe they broke again xd

[analog drift]

Folia have auto saving world?

[solar relic]

I did a test to find the RAM usage of folia is this data accurate.

[inner swift]

Yes

[inner swift]

Accurate, yeah, but useful, not really

What are you trying to test?

[analog drift]

Thank you

[solar relic]

I am testing for a RAM usage graph.

[arctic tapir]

meaning

[manic quarry]

current memory usage is close to useless in java

because it fluctuates constantly as java creates objects and drops when gc runs

[solar relic]

i know but i will give it 16GB swap

[manic quarry]

I wouldn't recommend that

[solar relic]

why?

16GB RAM + 16GB swap

[inner swift]

Having swap isn't an issue per se, but you do have to be careful not to let your server ever go into swap

Not having swap at all is a way to do it

[manic quarry]

because swap is created out of your storage drive

and your storage drive is significantly slower than your memory

you don't want a process that has 50ms to do all of its work to spend 100ms+ to fetch data from swap partition

[solar relic]

i know but it prevents OOM kills lag is better than crash

[inner swift]

There seems to be a misunderstanding here

If you're having an OOM, throwing swap into it isn't really a fix, if you don't have the memory, not much you can do about that

Also, there are many different types of OOM, some not even not caused by not having enough RAM

[manic quarry]

you should not have oom kills in the first place

if you do you likely misconfigured your xmx

[solar relic]

i configured xmx correctly and i will keep the swap as a fail safe

[light mulch]

hey if I have 1 computer running ddr4 ram and another computer running ddr5 ram will folia still work?

I'm just wondering what the compatibility is, ty

[arctic tapir]

yes

[light mulch]

ty

[solar relic]

you can run folia with ddr2 ram if you want but i don't recommend it.

[solar relic]

how can i make non square worldborder?

[inner swift]

You'll need a plugin for that

Easiest way would be to TP the player away if they reach it, and optionally have some particle indicator or something

If you want a real visible worldborder you'll have to calculate and emulate the bounds using packets for each player (with a square wb)

[solar relic]

can you recommend a plugin?

[inner swift]

As with many things in Folia you'd likely have to make one

There may be some out there, but no idea/wouldn't count on it

[solar relic]

i can fork an open source plugin

[prisma temple]

.

[swift mason]

Chunky border with support for folia stated on their Modrinth page

https://modrinth.com/plugin/chunkyborder

[solar relic]

thanks

[calm fable]

is there a way on folia to disable the chat ack requirement?

[idle furnace]

you mean chat report?

[urban sun]

Hi, does it make sense to use Folia on a quad core server?

[fossil vigil]

probably not

[urban sun]

We usually only use anti chat report plugins.

OK

[fossil vigil]

minimum recommended is 16

[idle furnace]

Folia is more for big server with lost of players spread along the map, and for that type of setup, you should haver "stronger" hardware

although even in smaller servers you have some advantages because you don't see so much the message that server is having delayed ticks. So ticks do run better

[twin spindle]

Hi, what I do wrong?

PS C:\Users\RitaSister\Desktop\ideaprojects\Folia> ./gradlew applyPatches

> Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.6.3 (running on 'Windows 11')

> Configure project :paper
paperweight-core v1.7.1 (running on 'Windows 11')

> Task :paper:patchCraftBukkit FAILED
> Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchCraftBukkit'.
> io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false apply --ignore-whitespace --directory=src/main/java C:\Users\RitaSister\Desktop\ideaprojects\Folia\.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper\.gradle\caches\paperweight\taskCache\patchCraftBukkitPatches.zip-122060495\net\minecraft\world\level\storage\loot\predicates\LootItemConditionRandomChanceWithLooting.patch

[manic quarry]

running on 'Windows 11'
likely a problem

try putting your folia project directly under C:\

[twin spindle]

oh, I remember about 'long' path

[manic quarry]

if that doesn't work, run through WSL

or just switch to a superior OS

[twin spindle]

so maybe this is running good

thanks

[idle furnace]

Think you are starting to have same problem as I

Hope you saved your previous built

[twin spindle]

how are you fix it?

[idle furnace]

Couldnt yet

Something changed with the projet that afected me or was my OS reinstall that made me loose some depedency

[thorny ivy]

Folia build successfully on my Windows 11 pc, I’m not sure switching OS will solve build issue.

[twin spindle]

strange

PS C:\Users\RitaSister\Desktop\ideaprojects\Folia> powershell Get-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem" -Name "LongPathsEnabled"


LongPathsEnabled : 1
PSPath           : Microsoft.PowerShell.Core\Registry::HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem
PSParentPath     : Microsoft.PowerShell.Core\Registry::HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control
PSChildName      : FileSystem
PSDrive          : HKLM
PSProvider       : Microsoft.PowerShell.Core\Registry

[idle furnace]

with synced Folia, on dev branch for 1.20.6, sujestions accepted , plz plz 🙂

[viral stone]

you need a jdk

[idle furnace]

i have it

[viral stone]

apparently whatever java it pointed at is missing parts of the jdk

[idle furnace]

i see your point m8, it is marking as only jre

[viral stone]

openj9

I mean, the JDK does bundle a JRE

but, that's openj9, we generally don't support that

[idle furnace]

intellij recognises it as jdk

but with that clue i can work, thanks for the tip

[twin spindle]

nicee

root@Mirai:/home/Folia# ./gradlew createMojmapBundlerJar --stacktrace

> Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.6.3 (running on 'Linux')

> Configure project :paper
paperweight-core v1.7.1 (running on 'Linux')

> Task :createMojmapBundlerJar FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':createMojmapBundlerJar'.
> List has more than one element.

* Try:
> Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
> Run with --scan to get full insights.
> Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

[idle furnace]

what jdk version you have?

[twin spindle]

root@Mirai:/home/Folia# java --version
openjdk 21.0.3 2024-04-16 LTS
OpenJDK Runtime Environment Corretto-21.0.3.9.1 (build 21.0.3+9-LTS)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Corretto-21.0.3.9.1 (build 21.0.3+9-LTS, mixed mode, sharing)

[idle furnace]

I had that error, got it solved now thanks to eletroniccat

use oracle jdk

[viral stone]

that jdk should be fine

that error is a project setup issue

[idle furnace]

so i don't ping him 🙂

[twin spindle]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/7b0fdbe5868c4ce481fdcf203fbdd0cf

I just clone repo, -> ./gradlew applyPatches, and then run ./gradlew createMojmapBundlerJar

[viral stone]

cool

so, something is probably wrong with the projects setup

[twin spindle]

hm

Execution failed for task ':createMojmapBundlerJar'.
> List has more than one element.

what this meaning?

[idle furnace]

what command were you running

[twin spindle]

createMojmapBundlerJar last this

[idle furnace]

you might need to ./gradlew clean

it is what i do when i start getting some strange errors

[twin spindle]

didn't help

[idle furnace]

apply patches again

ohh just got an error now

[twin spindle]

I try it, but I get same error again

[twin spindle]

you are?

[idle furnace]

yep, let me see if it is the same

[twin spindle]

so?

[twin spindle]

ha-ha-ha

[idle furnace]

same as yours, also from clean get from repo

[twin spindle]

so this is not mine error

[idle furnace]

more then one element, no?

[twin spindle]

every step do it same?

[twin spindle]

yes-yes

[idle furnace]

😉

[twin spindle]

same

so I will try ./gradlew createReobfBundlerJar for test

so same error

idk how I can build anyelse

[twin spindle]

so this no-one can't build, sadly

[finite hinge]

No one can build 1.20.6 anyway

[fair belfry]

works on my machine™️

oh that was yesterday, i guess someone fixed it already

[twin spindle]

who know generator of commands for signs?

[faint quail]

Hi! Just wanted to ask if commandblocks are disabled because they dont work and i could not find anything in the documentation about this toppic

[arctic tapir]

yes

[faint quail]

Ok thx

[faint quail]

Hi! I have another problem: I switched from a Nitrado Craftbuckit server to a self hosted folia server and I wanted to have the player data (inventories ect.) from the old server, but they aren't the same. Am I missing something?

[viral stone]

folia is 100% compatible with the CB file layout

all one can guess is that you flipped the online mode setting or something

(either that or you set it up wrong)

[manic quarry]

do you have a blame command here? the one with the list where 3 first positions are "you"

[cerulean finch]

-.-

[manic quarry]

don't -.- me, that's usually the cause

[cerulean finch]

[knotty egret]

Hello guys, Is Docker necessary or unreasonable for Folia?

[modern sundial]

World api

[prime juniper]

is intel-core-i7-14700f a good enough cpu to benefit from folio?

nvm i see 16 cores required

[livid crag]

It is not a hard requirement but there are little to no benchmark around this matter.

[manic quarry]

I imagine intels with their shitty ecores would be pretty bad for folia

since inevetably some regions would end up with their ticking threads on them

[swift mason]

It’s all about the OS

[narrow tangle]

My folia server is crashing a lot, some hs_err_pid file are generated but i don't know how to read the errors.

here are the latest logs, but there is more than 3 actually..
https://paste.denizenscript.com/View/122917
https://paste.denizenscript.com/View/122918
https://paste.denizenscript.com/View/122919

I did search some result in this discord and googled but still cannot help. I already finished a Ram test for the 128GB ddr4 ram, with 4 pass after 18hours of test, no error was found during the memtest.

Anyone can help me? What should i do next?

[manic quarry]

if no errors on memtest, then it's likely a corrupted file somewhere

[paper siren]

the fact that it crashes in different spots really points towards faulty hardware

[viral coral]

can still be a CPU issue

[viral stone]

segmentation faults would generally either be a JVM bug or a hardware issue, as said, the fact that it's happening all over generally precludes it being a JVM bug, so that often falls into hardware

hardware can be a headache to diagnose as it can easily be related to fun edge cases and is generally out of scope of what can be aided with here which isn't just blind advice on stuff to go run to ssee if you pick something up

[narrow tangle]

oh no😵‍💫

[timid grotto]

its not required, but folia should be the only thing running on the machine, and containerizing something that you setup once makes little sense to me

[heavy lake]

Task patchSpigotApi FAILED
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

What went wrong:
Execution failed for task 'patchSpigotApi'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Failed to apply patches
can anyone help?

[arctic tapir]

full log

[heavy lake]

with --debug or the error log?

[arctic tapir]

the error log there should be more info above

[heavy lake]

Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.5.15 (running on 'Windows 10')

Configure project :paper
paperweight-core v1.5.15 (running on 'Windows 10')

Task patchSpigotApi
Committer identity unknown

*** Please tell me who you are.

Run

git config --global user.email "[e-mail]"
git config --global user.name "Your Name"

to set your account's default identity.
Omit --global to set the identity only in this repository.

fatal: unable to auto-detect email address (got 'gust@DESKTOP-QK5DNTE.(none)')

*** Please review above details and finish the apply then
*** save the changes with ./gradlew rebuildPatches

Task patchSpigotApi FAILED
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

• What went wrong:
  Execution failed for task 'patchSpigotApi'.

io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Failed to apply patches

• Try:

Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.

You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.

For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.7/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.

[viral stone]

read it, it tells you exactly what you need to do

[heavy lake]

ok

[heavy lake]

C:\Folia>.\gradlew rebuildPatches

Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.5.15 (running on 'Windows 10')

Task :rebuildApiPatches FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

• What went wrong:
  A problem was found with the configuration of task ':rebuildApiPatches' (type 'RebuildGitPatches').

  • In plugin 'io.papermc.paperweight.patcher' type 'io.papermc.paperweight.tasks.RebuildGitPatches' property 'inputDir' specifies directory 'C:\Folia\Folia-API' which doesn't exist.

    Reason: An input file was expected to be present but it doesn't exist.

    Possible solutions:

    1. Make sure the directory exists before the task is called.
    2. Make sure that the task which produces the directory is declared as an input.

    For more information, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.7/userguide/validation_problems.html#input_file_does_not_exist in the Gradle documentation.

• Try:

Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.

You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.

For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.7/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.

BUILD FAILED in 1s
1 actionable task: 1 executed

[viral stone]

I have no idea why you're trying to run rebuildPatches when the patch process failed entirely

ignore that part, fix the issue above that and then apply the patches again

[heavy lake]

bro

i am asking for support

not for me myself to

fix it

[heavy lake]

ohhhhh

i though

that

wasnt

neccessary

[arctic tapir]

it literally tells you to do that

[tawdry gull]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[still night]

Can someone help me with installing folia?

[arctic tapir]

read paper's readme

[still night]

Where can i find it?

[arctic tapir]

on paper's repository

[tight halo]

Are datapacks in general disabled or only the /datapack command?

[viral stone]

the command

the data part of datapacks still work

[tight halo]

okay, thanks

[daring nimbus]

functions don't work though

[ripe knoll]

Can someone explain better to me what change from these two, bc i dont know what is gc "GC Settings: ???? But, GC settings do allocate concurrent threads, and you need to know exactly how many. This is typically through the -XX:ConcGCThreads=n flag. Do not confuse this flag with -XX:ParallelGCThreads=n, as parallel GC threads only run when the application is paused by GC and as such should not be taken into account."

[paper siren]

Best is to not touch those if you don’t have deep understanding of what you‘re doing

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[drifting jewel]

I meet Accessing entity state off owning region's thread https://pastebin.com/Wfe5Vqxi Seems to happen when teleporting/dying causes the server to crash

[hexed cypress]

How Folia basically works is there a very detailed wiki or someone who can tell me a few questions I want to learn:

1. Traditional Minecraft Servers are Single Core and Single Core Perfonmasa What about Folia?
2. How many cores does folia support and are these cores shared or do we assign different events to each max core? I mean 1st core player events (x,y,z) 2nd core world events 3rd core chunks...

[obtuse basin]

i guess read the folia docs or readme on github

[hexed cypress]

When I read a lot, there is a superficial expression, there is no depth.

[livid crag]

The depth is on the code base itself

[hexed cypress]

so legally you don't show in depth, just the basic parts and functions.

Do I have it right?

by the way, your profile is very cute. uwu

[rare hare]

Folia can use multiple cores. In principle there is no lower or upper bound. The cores may be shared.

[hexed cypress]

And finally, does ghz matter?
so for example ghz 2.1 on a 64 core processor

[rare hare]

Unless you're comparing the exact same processor models, no.

[hexed cypress]

I got it, thank you.

[rare hare]

No problem

[hexed cypress]

In the documentation it was written that datapack cannot be applied at the moment, will it come in new updates?

[manic quarry]

are you talking about the command, datapack functions or something else entirely?

[obtuse basin]

Data packs work mostly, except of some features. You can just not use the datapack command.

[prime juniper]

error worker.org.gradle.process.internal.worker.GradleWorkerMain
Causé par : java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: worker.org.gradle.process.internal.worker.GradleWorkerMain

[arctic tapir]

full error

[prime juniper]

`BUILD FAILED in 5s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed

C:\Users\Jésus-Christ\Folia>gradlew.bat applyPatch

Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.5.15 (running on 'Windows 11')

Configure project :paper
paperweight-core v1.5.15 (running on 'Windows 11')
Could not write standard input to Gradle Worker Daemon 4.
java.io.IOException: Le canal de communication est sur le point d’être fermé
at java.base/java.io.FileOutputStream.writeBytes(Native Method)
at java.base/java.io.FileOutputStream.write(FileOutputStream.java:367)
at java.base/java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flushBuffer(BufferedOutputStream.java:125)
at java.base/java.io.BufferedOutputStream.implFlush(BufferedOutputStream.java:252)
at java.base/java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flush(BufferedOutputStream.java:240)
at org.gradle.process.internal.streams.ExecOutputHandleRunner.writeBuffer(ExecOutputHandleRunner.java:98)
at org.gradle.process.internal.streams.ExecOutputHandleRunner.forwardContent(ExecOutputHandleRunner.java:85)
at org.gradle.process.internal.streams.ExecOutputHandleRunner.run(ExecOutputHandleRunner.java:64)
at org.gradle.internal.concurrent.ExecutorPolicy$CatchAndRecordFailures.onExecute(ExecutorPolicy.java:64)
at org.gradle.internal.concurrent.AbstractManagedExecutor$1.run(AbstractManagedExecutor.java:47)
at java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1144)
at java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:642)
at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:1570)

Task generateMappings FAILED
Erreur : impossible de trouver ou de charger la classe principale worker.org.gradle.process.internal.worker.GradleWorkerMain
Causé par : java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: worker.org.gradle.process.internal.worker.GradleWorkerMain

Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

• What went wrong:
  Execution failed for task ':paper:generateMappings'.

A failure occurred while executing io.papermc.paperweight.tasks.GenerateMappings$GenerateMappingsAction
Failed to run Gradle Worker Daemon
Process 'Gradle Worker Daemon 4' finished with non-zero exit value 1`

[viral stone]

gradle bew up

stuff like that generally boils down to issues like folder names cosing issues with the locale, or stuff dying due to not enough memory

[spare moon]

dual e5-2680 v4 for folia any good?

[viral stone]

At the end of the day you're still running a minecraft server

each region represents a small server

a 12 year old CPU is generally going to bog down individual regions fast

[spare moon]

i think its actually 8 years old

i could be wrong tho

[viral stone]

Yea, 8 year old, google failed me and grab the v1

[spare moon]

i mean im asking cuz i found a used server for approximately 250 of united states negotiable currency

[viral stone]

Nobody here is generally going to vouche for decade old web server hardware

it will probably be fine assuming you can maintain reasonable spread, but, it's not hardware I'd really bank on long term

[spare moon]

yeah im asking cuz i want to know if i should upgrade my r7 3800x to a r9 5950x or go with the server (a lot cheaper option)

[livid crag]

r7 r9 are definitely better options

[fossil vigil]

don't forget to factor in power cost

there's a reason those old machines are so cheap

actually, several

[hexed cypress]

yes noraml datapack lootables etc

[hexed cypress]

i understand thx <3

[arctic tapir]

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[marsh maple]

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[viral coral]

L

[jagged ether]

:<

[dapper thorn]

Hello there,

my Plugin uses both Folia API and Bukkit API. I now noticed, that the PlayerRespawnEvent is not triggered, and found out, that the respawning players API is currently broken. Is there some sort of solution to outgo this problem?

~ Leo

[proven echo]

could worlds be loaded before the server fully loads? I’m aware folia doesn’t support it during runtime

[viral stone]

There are already libraries to bypass the loading check

[daring nimbus]

you can also add the world as a datapack dimension, those work on folia

[lost widget]

i workaround by run schedule task loop after on player death event if player alive then run thing you want to do and cancel but if player is not online then cancel you cloud do check only run this for folia

[dapper thorn]

Thank you for your help 😄

[untold tulip]

hi, im trying to load paper on a pufferpanel. with these arguments:
${java} -Xmx${memory}M -jar folia.jar

I did tried with a bunch of different line without success... i did tried something like that also

${java} -Xms${memory}M -Xmx${memory}M -Dterminal.jline=false -Dterminal.ansi=true -Dfolia.playerconnection.keepalive=60 -Djline.terminal=jline.UnsupportedTerminal -Dlog4j2.formatMsgNoLookups=true -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1NewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=16M -XX:G1ReservePercent=15 -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=20 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs -Daikars.new.flags=true -jar folia.jar

But nothing worked. Do any of you have an idea how I could make the pufferpannel and folia to work together please? thanks

[livid crag]

Launching Folia is no different from lauching Paper or any JAVA application. I dont see anything wrong on that script, it's best you ask support from pufferpannel @untold tulip

[untold tulip]

Thanks I do appreciate the feedback !

[lucid thistle]

hahaha that's so funny

You could just make a non-cancellable PlayerRespawnEvent to mask that hack too

[wide solar]

is folia 1.20.6 yet?

[arctic tapir]

yes

[wide solar]

omg 🤤

fr?

[arctic tapir]

yes

[manic quarry]

no, we are lying to you

[fair merlin]

Let’s not be needlessly snarky in help channels

[thorny ivy]

You should probably try to replace any ${var} by the actual value.
java -jar folia.jar should work as long as your folia jar have been renamed to folia.jar. Add your arguments back after testing it.

[thorny ivy]

It’s even on main branch now.

[static dragon]

How can I fix the server freezing when loading a large amount of stuff in chests? I have folia 1.20.6 and the server hangs completely

[rotund fossil]

i love your username

[late pasture]

approximately how much players could I have on a server with a 96 core server?

If we are talking about zero plugins

[timid grotto]

there are other factors than just core count

[livid crag]

This is the same question as how many people can I fit in this car but without clarify if the people are American or not. You really cant get an answer.

[late pasture]

Fair enough

Also is there a recommended certain amount of ram which I should need per a certain number of players, for example per 10 players would I need 2gb or smthing

For a vanilla server

[livid crag]

Not really but you can generally get an idea from a Spark report.

[late pasture]

Alr thanks

[solar relic]

in folia do event handlers in a global thread or reagion thread?

[manic quarry]

I would assume it's per event basis

[timid grotto]

regions are not exposed in the api

[bold osprey]

I think someone already said here that https://jd.papermc.io/paper/1.20.6/org/bukkit/Bukkit.html#getTPS() returns the tps of the region it's executed in, so try to run this in player's entity scheduler

[viral stone]

that's not the case

[arctic tapir]

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[marsh maple]

(665daa22bb3b0c6d8b81026c) // @brave sapphire (@pog5 / 1063801507515998208) has been banned by @livid crag (177150983258767360)
Reason: compromised account

[livid crag]

We perfer members to not share not vetting jar privately. Follow the instruction on paper repo to make one yourself

[golden meadow]

Hi, I came across the fact that the server sees 8 or 64 processor threads out of 72 threads using x2 CPU intel Xeon E5 2686 v4 running windows server 2022

[viral stone]

We just get that info from the JVM

[golden meadow]

What?

[viral stone]

What?

[golden meadow]

I didn't understand

If there is a way to fix this somehow?

[viral stone]

https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues/60#issuecomment-640030186

https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues/60#issuecomment-591639553

[steep topaz]

Anyone knows any Folia plugin to turn off explosions damage to the terrain?

[pastel musk]

I need some help with the compilation. I cloned the resporitroy to C:\Users\Henry-New-Account\Documents\folia>git clone https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia.git at the folia folder. Then, I ran gradlew.bat applyPatches but later saw this error 59 seconds in: > Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.7.1 (running on 'Windows 11')

Task :clonePaperRepo FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

• What went wrong:
  Execution failed for task ':clonePaperRepo'.

io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 254 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false submodule update --init --recursive

• Try:

Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.

You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.

For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.7/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.

BUILD FAILED in 59s
1 actionable task: 1 executed

[solar relic]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-compiling-jar-from-source

follow this steps

[jaunty compass]

Does via version translate folia 1.20.4 NMS packets to 1.20.6?

I want to know if I could use via version to 1.20.6 with a folia compatible version of this plugin: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/conxeptworks-legacy-model-engine-1-16-5-1-20-4.79477/

[fair merlin]

ViaVersion won’t make older plugins work on newer versions. Just let older or newer clients connect.

[winged wedge]

Hello, I've been setting up servers using Paper since 2020. I'm now planning to build a SkyBlock server that will run on low to mid-range hardware (maximum 4 cores), so it won't be very powerful. However, the plan is to upgrade to more powerful hardware once the player count increases. I understand that Folia is best suited for powerful hardware and high player counts, but I'm wondering if there are any drawbacks to running Folia on less powerful hardware. Should I start with Folia from the beginning (and would it negatively impact the server), or should I stick with Paper and transition to Folia later on? Thanks.

I really want to give Folia a shot but do not have the grounds for it lol

[finite hinge]

On a server with less cores it's just Paper but slower, harder to program for, and no plugin ecosystem

If you know you'll be scaling up later it won't hurt that much on the performance side vs Paper and at least you'll ensure all the plugins you're writing work on Folia for later

[winged wedge]

Alright thanks 👍

[finite hinge]

Note how I said all the plugins you'll be writing

If you aren't writing your own plugins (or at least have the ability to do so) odds are you won't find what you need for running a Folia server that is something other than anarchy survival

[winged wedge]

Yeah seems like there is no public SkyBlock plugin for it. Nvm :\

[jaunty compass]

So commands, and any plugins won't work on newer clients

?

[fair merlin]

I think you wan Via support to hear the ins and outs of how ViaVersion/etc works.

[topaz bobcat]

what should I do about this problem

[arctic tapir]

it tells you what to do

[topaz bobcat]

alright, but how do i get core for version 1.20.1

[inner swift]

Checkout and build it

[topaz bobcat]

If I understood correctly, then I needed to do this?

[arctic tapir]

no

the branch

[topaz bobcat]

How can I choose 1.20.1 here if this version is not there?

[arctic tapir]

why 1.20.1

but yes commit

[inner swift]

You'll need to find the commit where it was updated

[topaz bobcat]

this version is more popular then other 1.20.x

[arctic tapir]

lol

[livid crag]

This is factually not true

[inner swift]

By the way, you'll need to patch a bunch of exploits manually, which will naturally involve programming and more git knowledge than what you're trying to do rn

[topaz bobcat]

maybe so, but I’m more used to working on it

[inner swift]

Or people can just walk in your server and keep crashing it if they want, as 1.20.1 is outdated and has those

[topaz bobcat]

viaversion doesn't work?

[inner swift]

I think they have Folia support

But by making your server 1.20.1, it will have all the bugs in that version, Via doesn't fix that

[topaz bobcat]

Then I’ll make the server on 1.20.4 and add viaversion. Thanks very much for help

[solar relic]

/gamerule spectatorsGenerateChunks false doesnt work in folia

[daring nimbus]

doesn't work on Paper either and does the opposite of what it says in vanilla (stops chunk loading, not generating)

so this is kinda up to Mojang to fix that first tbh

[solar relic]

i want to disable it in my server but it doesn't work.

does and fix planned.

[faint thicket]

Hi, I'm using Bukkit.broadcast(Component.text(message, TextColor.color(255, 94, 62))); - I wanted to send a broadcast message to all users, but unfortunately I cannot see the message on the client. It is visible on server console though. Is it a folia bug or am I doing sth wrong? xd

[daring nimbus]

uhh. Do you maybe not have the bukkit.broadcast permission?

[faint thicket]

Oh, yeah, I'm not. That would make sense. Thanks a lot

[solar relic]

i opened a folia hardcore server and a player randomly died because of fall damage while walking how?

[faint thicket]

Hm, but that's interesting. I have no permission setup yet, but from this image it should be by default. And the broadcast method sends message to the Users channel. (Image taken from paper, but I suspect, that it should be applicable for Folia too)

[arctic tapir]

have you negated the * permission

[timid grotto]

so thats why chunks always freak out when i turn that on in spectator mode

[faint thicket]

No, I have a clear setup, without plugins exept the one for sending this message

[surreal oasis]

I think user broadcasts are different from server ones

You need the top permission

[twin spindle]

anyone know plugin for check cheaters? (freeze)?

[idle furnace]

What do you mean with freeze?

[twin spindle]

plugin for check if player can use cheats

[idle furnace]

I did something, not perfet, to check some types of hacks, but nothing related with freeze, thats why i was asking

[placid birch]

Why I cannot use Bukkit.getGlobalRegionScheduler()

[idle furnace]

you can, but only for the right things. I have been struggling with it as well 🙂

[placid birch]

What is that mean

    <repositories>
        <repository>
            <id>sonatype</id>
            <url>https://oss.sonatype.org/content/groups/public/</url>
        </repository>
        <repository>
            <id>spigotmc-repo</id>
            <url>https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/</url>
        </repository>
        <repository>
            <id>papermc</id>
            <url>https://repo.papermc.io/repository/maven-public/</url>
        </repository>
        <repository>
            <id>bungeecord-repo</id>
            <url>https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots</url>
        </repository>
    </repositories>

    <dependencies>
        <dependency>
            <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
            <artifactId>spigot-api</artifactId>
            <version>1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>
        <dependency>
            <groupId>dev.folia</groupId>
            <artifactId>folia-api</artifactId>
            <version>1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>
        <dependency>
            <groupId>com.velocitypowered</groupId>
            <artifactId>velocity-api</artifactId>
            <version>3.2.0-SNAPSHOT</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>
        <dependency>
            <groupId>net.md-5</groupId>
            <artifactId>bungeecord-api</artifactId>
            <version>1.20-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>
        <dependency>
            <groupId>org.spongepowered</groupId>
            <artifactId>configurate-yaml</artifactId>
            <version>4.1.2</version>
            <scope>compile</scope>
        </dependency>
        <dependency>
            <groupId>redis.clients</groupId>
            <artifactId>jedis</artifactId>
            <version>5.1.2</version>
            <scope>compile</scope>
        </dependency>
    </dependencies>

Is this the right importation?

[idle furnace]

I have this one as well, not sure if it is about it

<repository>
<id>papermc-repo</id>
<url>https://papermc.io/repo/repository/maven-public/</url>
</repository>

might be the old one

you have folia on your libraries, right?

Maven: dev.folia.api

[placid birch]

I think yes

[idle furnace]

not sure it it fits you, but have a look at coolprotection, turn all configs Off, except hackProtection and speedProtection

[idle furnace]

I had that problem with a project, and needed to do something really dumb

go to that folder get the first jar path and introduce it again on your library directly as jar file, not as Maven

[placid birch]

Ok

I try that

Thank you.

I already did that

Still not work

[solar relic]

https://mclo.gs/OfPmTGr i cant join to my folia server

[hexed ice]

you have a plugin teleporting a player during the join event

it should schedule that for a tick later probably

[solar relic]

yes i have

i will try it

[solar relic]

when i put 2 tick delay it worked thanks.

[young burrow]

anyone got the latest build i dont got a pc atm cant use intelij

[arctic tapir]

no

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[young burrow]

okay then i guess my server will just have to remain down cause i cant compile stuff and folia to go is broken

[reef quail]

If I want to run an SMP Folia server for several hundred players. Should I choose a dedicated AMD EPYC GENOA 9554 (64c/128t 3,1 GHz) CPU or a dedicated AMD EPYC GENOA 9754 (256c/512t 2,25 GHz) CPU? It is a temporary event where everyone will pay, which is why the price aspect between the two CPUs does not matter and only performance is important.

[livid crag]

First CPU listed will be more ideal as core count after certain amount doesn’t add much to the table while the higher boost clock will benefit you.

[inner swift]

Is that something like a skyblock where there'll be perfect spread?

[finite hinge]

Yeah, for a temporary event even an anarchy server is likely to have people grouped up quite a bit so you might not get many regions, if any at all

If it's not skyblock I'd be worried and aim for something with less cores but like 7Ghz boost clock

[solar relic]

how can i download the latest 1.20.4 folia source code?

[fair merlin]

You have to build it from source. But you should be using 1.20.6, as Folia is experimental and has ongoing changes and fixes

[solar relic]

i asked how can i install SOURCE CODE

[viral stone]

You clone it from git

[solar relic]

okay thanks

i have a weird compile error(folia 1.20.4)

[viral stone]

out of memory

[solar relic]

oh, i gave 4GB to my vm thanks for the help.

i will increase it to 8GB.

[timid grotto]

if you dont have a machine capable of building folia, you cannot possbly have a machine capable of running folia

[fossil vigil]

not sure where you got 256c/512t from? The epyc 9754 has 128 cores and 256 threads (unless you mean a dual socket system)

but then again you compared it to a single 9554

256 cores is way, way, way high

turin (the next epyc gen) was announced to go up to 192 cores with rumored 256c support because of the die layout

[void elbow]

If I create a map of 500x500 blocks via /worldborder, will it be automatically divided into regions with threads?

or by what logic are regions divided into folia?

[inner swift]

No, if two players are less than ~900 blocks apart, they will always be in the same region

[void elbow]

oh thank for info

[spare moon]

how well would folia work if the worldborder is 35k blocks and players are very very spaced out but rarely there are massive groups of people in one region?

[daring nimbus]

the regions with the massive groups of people would perform the same as Paper would in that scenario, potentially slightly worse

[winter shell]

Hello, can folia be Used to Run a Server? Or are there any serious issues that still remain?

[daring nimbus]

it is used by several large servers and seems reasonably stable.
Just be aware its not a drop-in Paper replacement. All plugins need to specfically support it

[winter shell]

Thanks @daring nimbus, I thought so seeing the high Player counts, but wasn't Sure because the Posts I read were abit older. Sounds great. i really Love MMO.

Aswell found the supported Plugins list, Not factions yet, but Jobs, towny and co

[daring nimbus]

I personally would only really recommend Folia if you are a developer or have developers who are working for your server, simply due to plugin compatibility. And its really only useful for large projects, and at a larger scale you should have devs anyways

[winter shell]

Yeah, I might want to Check into it myself. Can't be that hard. i do some Python, and alot of PHP.

I was aiming for 512 Slots, the Gigabit Ethernet will be the Limit I guess, thought about trying Out folia and build a few small cities spaced apart, since towny is supported

i Could Look into Something like Multi world aswell. Sharing the Database for some Things. I don't know enough yet to decide 🙈 thanks anyway

I've Ran other Games with more than 1000 Players in the past. The biggest I have worked on Had 3500+ Peak 😂 It can be so much fun with many people, thanks to the folia Team 👍

[wicked marten]

Does anyone know how to make a String Farm in Folia 1.20.6?

[livid crag]

It will work exactly the same as on Paper given you have option enabled

[tawdry gull]

Having problems with TNT Duping, Bedrock Breaking or Sand Duping Vanilla Exploits? See: https://docs.papermc.io/paper/misc/paper-bug-fixes for information.

[supple viper]

good evening and do you have a solution so that the spigot and bukkit plugins can work with folia?

[viral stone]

No

Plugins need to be adopted to take advantage of folia, otherwise you just end up wrapping everything in global locks and defeating a lot of the entire point of folia

[supple viper]

I saw on the folia page that there were some compatible plugins like essentials etc. I only tested one and there is only 1 that works

[viral stone]

There was an unofficial list somewhere

but, if you're not a dev or have access to one, using folia is generally going to put you in for a hard time

[supple viper]

I saw on the page with the description and it's huge what you can do maybe with the future the spigot and bukkit plugins will be compatible little by little a bit like sponge and velocity after that it takes time time

[viral stone]

No

[supple viper]

too bad because a lot of minecraft servers could use folia to finally have something that we've been waiting for for a very long time

[viral stone]

as said, the issue is that if you want bukkit/spigot plugins to work you need to make everything single threaded in terms of how it's exposed to plugins, and that defeats the entire point of folia

[supple viper]

yes sometimes you have to make sacrifices after I can be wrong the plugin developers will ensure that their plugins are compatible with time after I can be wrong in any case it must be quite complicated

that they even had a version of their plugins just with the folia api and nothing else

[viral stone]

That's not a sacrifice, that's a violation of the entire point of folia

[supple viper]

in any case hats off for your work eager to see the continuation of folia's adventure for the new versions of minecraft

[quartz pier]

Is there any way to ensure that the redstone machine will not break when folia is restarted?

[livid crag]

it should not break more than what it is on paper or even Vanilla. There is a reason some farm has switches so the block state is saved at its intended one.

If you have an issue that ONLY break on Folia, please state so

[quartz pier]

If the server restarts while the World Eater is running, the machine can break?

[livid crag]

yes even in Vanilla -.-

[quartz pier]

.w. ok

[winter shell]

Will the regions adjust to Redstone buildings? i suppose the Problems I have read about are related to switching the Region? And the Region doesn't know there is Redstone somewhere and extend?

[finite hinge]

If redstone causes chunk loading that will extend the region, if it causes enough to get two regions close to each other they'd merge just like if players caused it

[winter shell]

That Sounds great, thanks @finite hinge

[winter shell]

Still quiet hard to think deeper into it. It Sounds really great to be dynamic and optimize itself. But aswell Dangerous If two larger regions would merge. And I think about Something Like "fixed regions" aswell. Imagine a City with hardly anything that causes lag or high CPU usage. It would be great to Not merge with the surroundings aswell somehow.

It will Take some time exploring the Code I guess. I suppose it Could aswell Split a Region that is too large into multiple regions, but it is Not that easy with the Redstone anf everything.

[livid crag]

Fixed region scaling has been attempted many times.

[finite hinge]

If the regions didn't merge the whole system would fall apart

[winter shell]

That helps alot actually. I have this Feeling it can only be better than a single thread after all anyway 😂

[late pasture]

if its a temporary event, id definitely try to get a free trial server from datapacket

u could get a server for like a month with 128 cores

[viral coral]

or just not abuse trials, pretty shit thing to do or suggest

[late pasture]

its not abusing free trials, its called a trial for a reason

[viral coral]

you're literally suggesting to use a trial for a temporary event

[late pasture]

okay, so if someone wants to watch a netflix movie and i suggest they get a free trial, would that be abusing the trial?

[viral coral]

yes

a trial is meant for testing a service to then sign a contract and start a larger commitment with them if it works properly

it's pretty scummy to just abuse it for a single temporary one off event and never use them after

[late pasture]

honestly i would only think its pretty scummy if it was for a small business

[late pasture]

not necessarily

[viral coral]

that is literally what a trial is meant to be for

i don't know how you can define another definition for it

it's just offering a demo experience to a client to then lure them into a longer commitment after they're happy

literally the same energy as buying a $5000 computer, using it for some one-off lan party event and then sending it back to amazon, it's scummy behaviour, don't do it

[late pasture]

i mean yeah youre right but you gotta remember that most consumers dont think like that

[late pasture]

yeah but theres a difference between a service and a product

those servers at datapacket are not being used and thus a free trial wouldn't impact their costs by much

whereas if i were to return a 5000usd computer, they wouldn't be able to sell it as brand new anymore and would lose out on quite a lot of money

[viral coral]

except they still need to be built, configured, installed by hand as datapacket generally doesn't keep some large amount of servers running at idle ready to go, they're not like OVH or anything not to mention they end up having to pay for your network usage etc.

they're arguably still a pretty small company in the grand scheme of things

it's a scummy thing to do

[late pasture]

from having talked to people at datapacket, the servers are already built and racked but they just don't have any power going into them. yeah tbf they would pay for the network usage but honestly for a minecraft server that would be close to nothing

[late pasture]

yeah but theyre still not a small company in general, but i get what youre saying

[viral coral]

networking is expensive

you know what also is expensive

minecraft networking!

[late pasture]

not too expensive

depends on what you define as expensive

[late pasture]

what difference does that make?

[viral coral]

a minecraft server can easily use terabytes of data, i wouldn't exactly say close to nothing

the point is, it's fucking stupid, don't abuse trials

literally use a baremetal cloud platform and rent servers on an hourly basis for an event

instead of having to abuse trials from a server company

equinix metal exists and you could probably host an event for like $20

[late pasture]

yeah ofc but terabytes of data is honestly pretty cheap

i get what you mean tho, it can be pretty scummy

[late pasture]

they charge per hour?

[viral coral]

yes, plenty of baremetal platforms that charge per hour

vultr is another example

even OVH has baremetal per hour nowadays

[wise epoch]

even hetzner does now

[viral coral]

hivelocity too

[late pasture]

vultr youd be paying about 5000 dollars for like 64 cores for a few days

[viral coral]

right but what temporary event needs 64 cores for a few days

[late pasture]

idk thats what the guy wanted

[viral coral]

if you can get a 1000 players you can probably monetize it to get atleast $500 out of it

[late pasture]

Should I choose a dedicated AMD EPYC GENOA 9554 (64c/128t 3,1 GHz) CPU or a dedicated AMD EPYC GENOA 9754 (256c/512t 2,25 GHz) CPU?

thats what the guy said

[viral coral]

running an event for a day on a cpu like that would still probably not cost you more than $50

[late pasture]

yeah fair enough

[winter shell]

Since Matrix Just ignores bedrock, is there any other anticheat available for folia that really Supports bedrock edition?

[jagged ether]

better to ask Geyser

probably I mean

[winter shell]

Yeah, I Just wondered, all the Plugins I found are Not updated for some time and Not available on folia It seems

[winter shell]

Isn't that obvious? More regions will generally Work better but a single big Region will Not Run the very best on both 😂

[viral stone]

bedrock works a lot different to java edition, and so very few plugins care to basically reverse the bedrock clients behavior in order to make an anticheat for it that actually cares its movement stuff

[winter shell]

I personally tried to Join from bedrock edition, and needed to Switch to Java, would be nice If everyone can Join easily, but Not at that price I guess, thanks 👍

[late pasture]

i didnt ask that question

i was quoting someone else

[winter shell]

I See, I'd try the one with Higher clock Speed If I didn't need that many Threads, and If I need them I need them 😂 sorry If I didn't get it right

[fossil vigil]

the thread count is wrong anyways

the epyc 9754 has half the cores that were stated there

genoa maxes out at 128c, but turin has 192 announced with a rumored 256 coming

[winter shell]

Maybe dual Machine, Intel Supports 8 CPUs even 😂 can go for 480 cores ❤️

[fossil vigil]

yeah but numa isnt great anyways

and certainly not recommended for folia afaik

[winter shell]

I will start with 16 cores, 4.2 GHz Base to 5.7 GHz, 128 GB memory, enough for me alone to Play around with folia for some time I guess, can recommend this 👍

[finite hinge]

I think it's not recommended just because no one knows how well it'll do

It could be fine, it could seriously wreck performance, you probably want fewer faster cores anyway so don't need to get in to NUMA territory when you can just get a better single socket CPU

Like don't try to NUMA two 32 core CPUs, get a 64 core CPU if you think you actually need 64 cores

Anything beyond 64 cores I'd say you most likely don't need, unless you're planning to run multiple Folia servers on the same machine

[fossil vigil]

i wanna see 10k players on a single folia instance one day 😎

[finite hinge]

There is a limit to how much Folia can scale

[fossil vigil]

I imagine 2x of the yet-unreleased 256c EPYC turin chips might be able to get close

10k is probably not achievable

[finite hinge]

Folia scaling would probably fall off pretty hard before you got to 256 cores, let alone 512

I bet between 256 cores and 512 cores you'd get zero performance improvement, possibly it'd even reduce the performance

[winter shell]

I thought so, there is some Overhead

[finite hinge]

Locking isn't free, the more regions you have and the more cores you have to run those regions in parallel the more locking overhead you get

I mean, I don't think anything in the server needs to synchronize with every region so the overhead wouldn't scale that obviously but there is going to be a limit

[viral stone]

if you want to cater to NUMA you have to design your memory access for it

i.e. tying allocations to nodes where viable

[winter shell]

Is there any risk with changing / decreasing the amount of regions?

[finite hinge]

You don't really get a say in how many regions you have

[winter shell]

Oh, ic, thanks @finite hinge I thought about Problems with that.

I have pretty specific Plans for my folia Stress Test, Not with Players, that Data is easily available, but other stuff. My newest Idea is to build a City around an Oasis with a regenerating (Farm) world using chunky or world edit or Something Like that. Something Like a new biome live. But I am still pretty lost about what will Happen to Players and what folia will do If I start chunky on a larger area. 😂

[viral stone]

chunky is fine

the big issue is that you can't have regions overlapping, and so they'll join

and if you don't have enough player spread, you'll be at best, no better off than using paper

[winter shell]

Yeah, I still try to have a quiet big map and many cities and everything, will See what I can do after all.

I Just liked the Idea. Theres so much Border area to Join the fresh middle and the surroundings, building a City around an Oasis. 👀 Anyway

Safe space 😂 friendly Server you know

[winter shell]

I know it might Sound stupid and there are very different approaches than folia, but they May say i am a dreamer 😂 gn8

[small mauve]

What's the recommend CPU for Folia in the Ryzen stack?

Taking this over from #folia-dev

Got this recommended to me: https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia#readme

But I want to hear some opinions or experiences

[inner swift]

Probably a 7950x

[slate depot]

Folia moment

[arctic tapir]

scroll up

read it

https://i.imgur.com/loyj3tc.png

[untold tulip]

Hi guys, can anyone tell me if they have a good AC against baritone(especially anti-mining or kill aura).

At the moment i Have LightAntiCheat, and it's working fine against some "cheat / abuse" but i am looking for something to combat baritone. I had found a good one recommanded but after contacting the team the folia support is not coming any time soon.

Any suggestion as an AntiCheat for folia please? Thanks!

[small mauve]

https://github.com/GrimAnticheat/Grim

[livid crag]

I would recommend Grim as well. It’s the anti-cheat 2b is using (they probably modified it to their own need)

[royal swallow]

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[untold tulip]

Great guys, I do appreciate it!

[small mauve]

I originally mentioned Matrix and got shunned by @solid bison about it. Came back here and deleted my post and posted that again

[weak tide]

the biggest negative of using Grim is how widely used it is, 2b2t users spend hours trying to find overpowered exploits and they are very popular instantly

then it takes a bit for it to be patched

[livid crag]

I personally see that as a good thing... rather than using some hidden anti-cheat that despreately trying to hide itself from users. but I can see your point

[weak tide]

both good and bad yeah

[solid bison]

incorrect 2b uses non forked grim they just have a second plugin for there added ac shit

cuz it would be pain to update

[solid bison]

grim on top!!!!
decent movment detection
great reatch decection
theres some things that kinda meh

I reccomend using matrix for alerts only turn off any its kicking features or movment stopping shit

[solid bison]

just use 2 acs

just have one on alert only

meteor is barely designed to bypass any ac

only the plugins are

and ofc the payed clients but barly anyone logs on random servers to troll with payed

[spring axle]

can someone explain to me, why folia is recommended with 16 cores?

also, why isnt a minecraft server async by default?

[viral stone]

concurrency is hard, especially when dealing with large blobs of storage, i.e. a world

the recommendation is a mixture of "that's what we tested with", and a "this is how much money you should probably have"

[spring axle]

oh, okay, so theres no point of running it on an old cpu

[viral stone]

(You also have to remember that the game released at a time when dual cores where pretty much the best you'd expect in your average desktop)

it can work on older CPUs, especially if you have the thread counts

but, most plugins are not folia compatible and will never be folia compatible

[spring axle]

so what does folia run on multithreading, that paper doesnt? chunk system and the server ticks? because as i see, netty io uses multithreading in normal paper aswell

[viral stone]

it splits up ticking of the world into regions and ticks those in parallel

theres a bunch of stuff which is async in paper and even vanilla, but the business logic like pretty much every other single game is ran in a tick loop on one thread

[spring axle]

ok, thanks

[small mauve]

Can confirm, I used a 24 core / 48 thread dual CPU server and it went pretty flawlessly. It was an older server in terms of single core and multi core performance

It only pins to one cou so sadly not 48 core 96 thread

[lucid thistle]

How good was the scaling?

[plush hearth]

is folia aware of how many cores there are available or am i supposed to tell it how many?

[finite hinge]

It generally figures it out for regions at least, I think you want to tweak some of the others based on player counts and such

iirc there are tuning knobs for chunk IO threads, chunk generation threads, netty threads, and region threads

And of course GC threads but that's a JVM thing

Start off with just whatever it figures out for that stuff but check the readme for a good rule of thumb for at least how many netty threads you'll want

[plush hearth]

thank you

[burnt wyvern]

What is folia

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[livid crag]

@burnt wyvern you can read about it there ^

[void elbow]

Folia 1.20.6 broken?

Previously, I tested on 1.20.1, I could fit about 300-400 bots in the region at 20 tps, now I can barely handle 150 people

VDS is the same, no plugins.

[livid crag]

Looks like all your bots are in same region. That's not going to take advantage of Folia at all.

Also bots are not a very effective way of benchmark for anything.

[void elbow]

This didn't happen before

On 1.20.1 I did the same thing and there were 300-400 bots in one region and TPS = 20.

Now I’m doing the same thing on 1.20.6 and TPS is already dropping with 150-200 bots in one region

There is some kind of problem in Folia, I’m telling you for sure. This didn't happen before.

[inner swift]

Noting that VPSes/VDSes have essentially random performance

[paper siren]

Note that a single region typically won’t outperform a normal paper server, so depending on what the bots are doing, that’s pretty much expected

[finite hinge]

Also you can always throw a profiler at it and see if you can tell what changed

[late pasture]

not necessarily

[viral stone]

depends on the host

some actually don't oversell and so it's generally more reliable

but, as said, the only thing to know what's going on there is to grab a sampler out

[late pasture]

yeah that would apply to a VPS

but not a VDS as all of the resources are dedicated to you and only you, so if you have 1 core then nobody else would have access to that core, only you.

[viral stone]

VDS is interchangably used with VPS these days by many hosts

and you're rarely actually pinned to a core on a VDS, it's just dedicated in a sense that they promise to not oversell

it used to basically just mean KVM vs openvz

[small musk]

Has anyone been running folia on a small survival server with less than 20 players? How has it been with the public plugins?

[finite hinge]

It doesn't work with the vast majority of public plugins and unless your 20 players build all their stuff 1000+ blocks from each other you'll end up with a single region

[small musk]

Got it, sticking with paper 👍

[void elbow]

Number of regions - this means how many regions, how many processor cores do I need to work well?
And what does Utilization mean?

[finite hinge]

You have 39 regions which sounds pretty good, you don't really get a say in this one since it has to follow the rules for regions so the server stays alive. Utilization shows 73% of one CPU core maxed out out of a possible maximum of 2 CPU cores for ticking regions. This one you can change but the server automatically allocates this to some extent too so if you only got 2 threads for ticking regions that's an indication your CPU doesn't have enough cores

[torn shoal]

when will version 1.21 be released for folia

[tawdry gull]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[arctic tapir]

paper doesn’t even have stable builds

or iirc even have all the big patches merged

[prime juniper]

folia's recommended specifications are 16 cores, what is the minimum required number of cores?

[viral stone]

1

[tall marsh]

*uses 0.5*

[lucid thistle]

Is folia available for 1.20.5/6

[livid veldt]

ya

[inner swift]

<@&748618676189528155> Crypto miner in that github link

[marsh maple]

(66723b49bb3b0c6d8b8102da) // @digital fable (@falkke / 222025144141348865) has been banned by @visual kettle (245958554899578880)
Reason: Quick-banned for sending a message in #folia-help

[astral dock]

how can i download folia?

[manic quarry]

if you have to ask, then you probably shouldn't

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[finite hinge]

You have to compile it yourself, you can follow the directions in the paper repo for how to do so

[elfin wyvern]

do you need such powerful hardware to run folia?

[arctic tapir]

yes

[muted stirrup]

For folia regions people need to be split out around 1500 blocks or so I think. What happens if you have a bunch of people in small clusters sort of spread out / chained together.

For example
Player A, is 1000 blocks from player B, I assume they would end up in the same region right? Then player is C is 1000 blocks from player B, so 2000 blocks from player A, will they all end up on the same region? If so will groups of players just chain together and form one region?

Thanks

[arctic tapir]

yes

[muted stirrup]

Is there any way to prevent that? Or will regions always merge if at least some players are within the threshold? Like would it just expand infinitely as long as players are within 1.5k or whatever. Even if at the end player A and Z are 100k apart?

[fair merlin]

They'll merge auotmatically if players get too close

Part of why you want a lot of cores if you have a lot of players, and why Folia isn't always the best choice for every game mode.

But no, there's no way to prevent it.

If they get far enough apart it should split up the regions, but at what block distance that happens can vary.

[muted stirrup]

Its a pretty consistent like 1.5-2k for regions to merge right? Then more dynamic for regions spliting?

[fair merlin]

Merging can vary also, but the minimum is generally about 1500 blocks.

You shouldn't be betting on a hard block limit for anything.

[muted stirrup]

Gotcha thanks!

[primal oyster]

Change your view distance

You can tune in the values to be almost the overlap of view distances.

Ofc, you could change how regions merge too, customizing the logic is always welcome too ofc

[void elbow]

What does Utilization mean?

Is it using CPU cores?

[primal oyster]

Threads iirc

[delicate lichen]

after loading world I get an error, as I understand it, the world is damaged, how can I restore it?

[viral stone]

corrupted level.dat

generally, restore a copy of that file from your backups

[delicate lichen]

im not have backups

[viral stone]

then you're screwed

maybe you can look at one of the other worlds level.dat files to get the seed and plop it into server.properties and pray you don't bust the world too hard, assuming you're looking to generate new chunks

otherwise, all you can do is delete level.dat, it will generate a new seed and create ugly chunk borders, etc

[delicate lichen]

I don’t feel sorry for this world, but if something like this happened in the future I could fix it

[livid crag]

Best time to make backup was yesterday, the next best time is today.

[delicate lichen]

yes, but people have worlds of 100-200 GB, there’s not enough memory to save everything

[viral coral]

that's a shit excuse to not create backups