#folia-help | PaperMC | Page 22

fair merlin Mar 5, 2024, 12:06 AM

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https://zachbr.io/posts/2021-06-22-leaving-papermc-and-minecraft-dev/

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Z750 and gsand originally.

hushed raptor Mar 5, 2024, 12:07 AM

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so zach brown and gsand

fair merlin Mar 5, 2024, 12:07 AM

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Just don't harass/ping them about Paper stuff since they aren't involved anymore.

hushed raptor Mar 5, 2024, 12:07 AM

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fair merlin Just don't harass/ping them about Paper stuff since they aren't involved anymore...

why would i harass them

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what

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i would be thanking them for making paper

fair merlin Mar 5, 2024, 12:08 AM

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I don't think they want random people pinging them thanking them for making Paper.

hushed raptor Mar 5, 2024, 12:08 AM

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yea i wouldn't be pinging them either 💀

fair merlin Mar 5, 2024, 12:08 AM

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None of this is really Folia or Folia help related anymore, though.

hushed raptor Mar 5, 2024, 12:08 AM

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yea you right

fair merlin Mar 5, 2024, 12:08 AM

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Should free up this channel for people who might need help.

hushed raptor Mar 5, 2024, 12:09 AM

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imma delete messages then

fair merlin Mar 5, 2024, 12:09 AM

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Don't delete messages.

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That's worse.

hushed raptor Mar 5, 2024, 12:09 AM

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uhh okay

left gust Mar 5, 2024, 3:29 PM

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[18:27:41 WARN]: com.destroystokyo.paper.exception.ServerInternalException: Attempted to place a tile entity (net.minecraft.world.level.block.entity.TileEntityMobSpawner@13fffd1c) at -3028,46,-4372 (Block{minecraft:stone}) where there was no entity tile!
[18:27:41 WARN]: Chunk coordinates: -3040,-4384
[18:27:41 WARN]: World: minecraft:overworld
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at net.minecraft.world.level.chunk.LevelChunk.setBlockEntity(LevelChunk.java:609)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at net.minecraft.world.level.chunk.storage.ChunkSerializer.lambda$postLoadChunk$10(ChunkSerializer.java:703)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at net.minecraft.world.level.chunk.LevelChunk.runPostLoad(LevelChunk.java:696)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at io.papermc.paper.chunk.system.scheduling.ChunkFullTask.run(ChunkFullTask.java:91)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.RegionizedTaskQueue$PrioritisedQueue$ChunkBasedPriorityTask.executeInternal(RegionizedTaskQueue.java:504)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.RegionizedTaskQueue$PrioritisedQueue.executeTask(RegionizedTaskQueue.java:434)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.RegionizedTaskQueue$RegionTaskQueueData.drainTasks(RegionizedTaskQueue.java:264)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickServer(MinecraftServer.java:1621)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.TickRegions$ConcreteRegionTickHandle.tickRegion(TickRegions.java:407)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.TickRegionScheduler$RegionScheduleHandle.runTick(TickRegionScheduler.java:404)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at ca.spottedleaf.concurrentutil.scheduler.SchedulerThreadPool$TickThreadRunner.run(SchedulerThreadPool.java:525)
[18:27:41 WARN]:        at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:840)```

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Why am I getting this error? How can I fix it?

viral stone Mar 5, 2024, 3:35 PM

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inconsistent world state

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generally either vanilla chunk gen bugs or stuff messing with chunks in an unsupported manner

left gust Mar 5, 2024, 4:00 PM

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Isn't there a way to fix it?

finite hinge Mar 5, 2024, 4:04 PM

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It did fix it (by deleting the mob spawner block entity), it just also screamed about it so you know you potentially have world corruption

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If you keep seeing those either a plugin keeps breaking things (same chunks) or your world corruption is widespread (different chunks)

left gust Mar 5, 2024, 4:11 PM

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finite hinge If you keep seeing those either a plugin keeps breaking things (same chunks) or ...

Is there no way to turn off this setting or fix what is causing them to constantly break

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finite hinge Mar 5, 2024, 4:13 PM

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What's causing it to break are either very rare vanilla worldgen bugs in which case you'll only ever see it a few times and only once or a location or some plugin in which case good luck figuring out which one

left gust Mar 5, 2024, 4:15 PM

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finite hinge What's causing it to break are either very rare vanilla worldgen bugs in which c...

I think I downloaded the world map due to the location, but the highest version was 1.17.1, so how can I fix the broken locations?

viral stone Mar 5, 2024, 4:16 PM

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load them

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the server will remove them automatically

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otherwise, you'd need to find a tool which will do that sorta thing

left gust Mar 5, 2024, 4:17 PM

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I've already loaded it with Chunky

viral stone Mar 5, 2024, 4:17 PM

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Yea, that won't work iirc

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you'd need to actually walk into them more or less iirc

left gust Mar 5, 2024, 4:18 PM

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Is there a tool that can do this?

keen carbon Mar 5, 2024, 5:29 PM

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hey

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Villagers only get one profession, they don't change, how can I fix this?

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They don't lose the job when they break the podium or things around them.

inner swift Mar 5, 2024, 6:35 PM

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Remove any "exploit fixing" plugins, especially IllegalStack

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 3:34 AM

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yeah its fixed

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 3:34 AM

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inner swift Remove any "exploit fixing" plugins, especially IllegalStack

thanks

fair cloud Mar 6, 2024, 5:43 AM

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Folia requires less ram?

fair merlin Mar 6, 2024, 5:44 AM

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No. More RAM.

timid grotto Mar 6, 2024, 5:47 AM

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folia requires more powerful hardware in general

naive fable Mar 6, 2024, 9:00 AM

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<@&748618676189528155> ^

marsh mapleBOT Mar 6, 2024, 9:00 AM

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(65e830cb2d5bd6481a064895) // @mossy atlas (@cubieee / 616391290220969995) has been banned by @rare steppe (105923848263753728)
Reason: Quick-banned for sending a message in #folia-help

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 5:10 PM

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hey

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The villagers on my server are not mating, what could be the reason for this? illegastackers plugin is not installed.

inner swift Mar 6, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Well, only two suggestions I have is to make sure that mobGriefing is allowed and that the breeding conditions (check Minecraft Wiki) are met

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 5:18 PM

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inner swift Well, only two suggestions I have is to make sure that mobGriefing is allowed an...

Mob griefing needs to be active, where can I check it?

inner swift Mar 6, 2024, 5:18 PM

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It's a gamerule

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 5:48 PM

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inner swift It's a gamerule

thanks

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Hey again

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Even though some players' ping is stable, they still experience ping problems. What could this be caused by? Server institutions, everything is correct and proper. Most players do not have this problem, but for some players, their ping suddenly increases from 500 to 1000, even though their ping is stable.

viral stone Mar 6, 2024, 5:49 PM

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their ping suddenly increases from 500 to 1000

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I mean

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Like, neither values are good

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and it being that bad by default would generally scream that their network connection to your server is bad in general

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In which case, you'd probably want to look towards running something like an mtr, however, that's out of scope for me

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 5:55 PM

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viral stone and it being that bad by default would generally scream that their network conne...

But the proxy server has a really strong infrastructure, other players do not have any problems, but the server does not like some players.

viral stone Mar 6, 2024, 5:56 PM

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"has really strong infrastructure" is literally irrelevant if your players having issues are in some village in the middle of nowhere

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The way the latency stuff is measured is hardly amazing, it can also be made worse by stuff like plugins messing with networking, etc

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But, it's really hard to say what the cause is of this stuff, and generally if it's only happening to certain players, especially if you can deduce that the affected players are generally the same, I'd spend some time looking at the network connection to those players before busting out profilers, etc

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 6:55 PM

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viral stone "has really strong infrastructure" is literally irrelevant if your players havin...

''[19:54:38 ERROR]: [server connection] Locker -> survival: exception encountered in com.velocitypowered.proxy.connection.backend.BackendPlaySessionHandler@bdb9e65
io.netty.channel.unix.Errors$NativeIoException: recvAddress(..) failed: Connection reset by peer''

viral stone Mar 6, 2024, 6:56 PM

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well, the connection between your server and the proxy was closed

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 6:56 PM

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A player encountered this error when trying to connect. Is this related to the player or is there a problem with the proxy?

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we are online

viral stone Mar 6, 2024, 6:56 PM

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I fail to understand how that has anything to do with what I said

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 6:58 PM

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I honestly don't know what to do, I'm confused. Some players connect easily, some players cannot connect or their ping is very high when connected.

viral stone Mar 6, 2024, 6:59 PM

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I mean, the information you're providing is useless

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Unless the server is providing useful info as to why the connection was closed, we have nothing to go off

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but, at this rate, I'm out; I cannot advise much with the level of info you've provided and getting useful information is generally out of scope for me

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 7:02 PM

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viral stone I mean, the information you're providing is useless

How can I provide you with useful information?

viral stone Mar 6, 2024, 7:02 PM

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See logs

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see using tools like MTR

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otherwise, you're going to get into the realms of a profiler

viral coral Mar 6, 2024, 7:02 PM

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ensuring your player don't have a shit connection to your server by checking it with an MTR both ways ^

viral stone Mar 6, 2024, 7:02 PM

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I don't know where your issue sits, exactly, all I can tell you is that the TCP connection was reset

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This is generally starting to get into the territory of "hire somebody who knows what they're doing"

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 7:08 PM

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First of all, I install MTR

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sudo apt-get install mtr

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then '' mtr serverip adress '' ?

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thats all or should i do something speacial

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 7:28 PM

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some players still getting this error

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[20:27:49 INFO]: [server connection] yahya1435try -> lobby1 has connected
[20:27:49 ERROR]: [server connection] yahya1435try -> lobby1: exception encountered in com.velocitypowered.proxy.connection.backend.BackendPlaySessionHandler@5d3b00cd

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Some players can enter easily, some players cannot.

viral coral Mar 6, 2024, 7:43 PM

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that still says precisely nothing

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 7:51 PM

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viral coral that still says precisely nothing

I still don't know what to do can you guide me? There is only this error in the console. I downloaded MTR to the server machine but I'm not sure exactly how to proceed with it

inner swift Mar 6, 2024, 7:53 PM

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Diagnosing networking issues is pretty annoying, so there's few people who will be willing to guide you through it

keen carbon Mar 6, 2024, 7:54 PM

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Is it a problem to install Velocity on the main server? I do not host Velocity on my lobby machine.

viral stone Mar 6, 2024, 7:54 PM

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no

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so long as you have the resources it literally doens't matter where you host it, well, outside of latency, etc

finite hinge Mar 7, 2024, 12:45 AM

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Unless you're cloudflare or google or something the answer to random network weirdness is generally either just accept it or try moving to a different host/ISP and hope it's better there

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Sometimes these problems are temporary due to something going wrong somewhere on the internet, sometimes they're permanent and the only solution is to get a different ISP and hope you get a better route

lavish oasis Mar 7, 2024, 6:17 AM

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Are there any servers using folia in production?

fair merlin Mar 7, 2024, 6:20 AM

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Yes, a few.

compact scaffold Mar 7, 2024, 7:44 AM

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Did you happen to find a solution to this?

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Can't find a single Folia supported crate plugin

keen carbon Mar 7, 2024, 11:00 AM

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compact scaffold Did you happen to find a solution to this?

No not yet

compact scaffold Mar 7, 2024, 11:00 AM

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Damn, I'll let ya know if I figure anything out

small mauve Mar 7, 2024, 10:35 PM

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I seem to be having issues compiling/building Folia. Am I missing something?

hexed ice Mar 7, 2024, 10:39 PM

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probably, what does it say

small mauve Mar 7, 2024, 10:40 PM

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No matter what I try, I can't get Folia-API in my directory

hexed ice Mar 7, 2024, 10:40 PM

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./gradlew appP?

small mauve Mar 7, 2024, 10:42 PM

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> Task :paper:patchCraftBukkit FAILED
> Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchCraftBukkit'.
> io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false apply --ignore-whitespace --directory=src/main/java C:\Users\austi\OneDrive\Documents\GitHub\Folia\.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper\.gradle\caches\paperweight\taskCache\patchCraftBukkitPatches.zip--495475073\net\minecraft\world\level\storage\loot\predicates\LootItemConditionRandomChanceWithLooting.patch

hexed ice Mar 7, 2024, 10:43 PM

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probably hitting the windows path length limit, you can either disable it or clone folia right into your C:\ drive

edgy obsidian Mar 7, 2024, 10:50 PM

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small mauve I seem to be having issues compiling/building Folia. Am I missing something?

are you just trying to download or are you adding custom features

small mauve Mar 7, 2024, 10:51 PM

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I disabled path length limit, I am not on my regular PC so that wasn't disabled.

I just downloaded from the github project and attempting to build a jar to test some plugins. I think I am just running into issues. I am just getting weird errors.

> Task :paper:patchCraftBukkit FAILED
> Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchCraftBukkit'.
> Cannot access output property 'outputDir' of task ':paper:patchCraftBukkit'. Accessing unreadable inputs or outputs is not supported. Declare the task as untracked by using Task.doNotTrackState(). For more information, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.5/userguide/incremental_build.html#disable-state-tracking in the Gradle documentation.
   > java.io.IOException: Cannot snapshot C:\Users\austi\OneDrive\Documents\GitHub\Folia\.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper\.gradle\caches\paperweight\taskCache\patchCraftBukkit.repo\applyPatches.sh: not a regular file

dire pebble Mar 7, 2024, 10:54 PM

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Probably an OneDrive issue?

small mauve Mar 7, 2024, 10:54 PM

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Let me just move this to C drive. OneDrive is so annoying.

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That seemed to get me past the issue and worked fine 🤷‍♂️

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I also see that I can just download the jar from the api download lol. Cool. Guess I have both methods now

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Thank you @hexed ice (congrats on the position btw) and thank you @dire pebble

wheat hatch Mar 8, 2024, 2:22 AM

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Is it good to use folia on a shared hosting server?

livid crag Mar 8, 2024, 2:29 AM

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If that's all you can afford, just use Paper.

wheat hatch Mar 8, 2024, 2:30 AM

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Thank u

wooden ferry Mar 8, 2024, 3:02 AM

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Anybody know of a good land claim plugin that’s working? I tried the latest Towny with the latest build of Folia from the master repo and it throws lots of errors.

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 3:45 AM

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wooden ferry Anybody know of a good land claim plugin that’s working? I tried the latest Town...

There is 2 option

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First Plugin is Lands and its paid

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Second one is Residence its paid too

subtle wasp Mar 8, 2024, 4:47 AM

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Residence has a free download option available.

rotund fossil Mar 8, 2024, 4:50 AM

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keen carbon Second one is Residence its paid too

Buy Lands by the way

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Residence doesn't get support afaik

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https://zrips.net/Residence/

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Free residence^

coarse rain Mar 8, 2024, 5:22 AM

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Does luckperms works with folia?

subtle wasp Mar 8, 2024, 5:31 AM

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That'd probably be a question for LuckPerms.

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Looks like they're working on it.

glossy hollow Mar 8, 2024, 12:55 PM

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Is folia negatively impacted if you assign it too much memory? Or does it not really matter what I set my xmx to as long as it’s not too low

scenic sky Mar 8, 2024, 12:56 PM

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itll be fine

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if its not fine then adjust

glossy hollow Mar 8, 2024, 1:08 PM

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words to live by

paper siren Mar 8, 2024, 1:26 PM

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it mainly depends on what GC you use

left gust Mar 8, 2024, 1:31 PM

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wooden ferry Anybody know of a good land claim plugin that’s working? I tried the latest Town...

Towny work fine you can open ticket

sleek torrent Mar 8, 2024, 2:30 PM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/boostedaudio-✨proximity-voice-chat-and-music.112942/

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Hello, I am having problems using this plugin in folia
Feedback to the author, he said that the plug-in is no problem, may be my computer problem
When the player exits the server after connecting to the voice, there is a probability that the main thread will be stuck
Is this a plugin problem or a folia problem? If it is my problem, I am not sure if I have tested it on other devices and asked other developers, and they said that the plugin wrote "thread sleep" caused it

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The above translation results are from Youdao Neural Network Translation (YNMT)· General Scene

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viral stone Mar 8, 2024, 2:37 PM

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I mean, sleeping a thread like that is pretty dangerous

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and I'd imagine that there are probably many cases that can trigger an issue with that sort of code, i.e. a player logs off

sleek torrent Mar 8, 2024, 2:39 PM

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@sick bane

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 4:35 PM

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He's sleeping on region scheduler??????

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Yeah completely rewrite that

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It should never be like that

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That's not folia

sick bane Mar 8, 2024, 6:04 PM

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sleek torrent <@262335867736031242>

I will rewrite that when I’m no longer sick

sick bane Mar 8, 2024, 6:08 PM

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viral stone and I'd imagine that there are probably many cases that can trigger an issue wit...

I can’t reproduce the bug he have and other boostedaudio folia users never reported me the bug so it’s weird

viral stone Mar 8, 2024, 6:09 PM

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make sure that you're updating the atomic properly

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and, generally, make sure that you handle retirement of schedulers

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otherwise, you're probably gonna desync the counter

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but, really, relying on logic like that just looks kinda needlessly fragile

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Hello

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I have critical problem with folia. First of all, I have a velocity server, it connects you to the paper lobby and from there you connect to the main survival folia server. Everything is normal for players connecting to the lobby and they have never had any problems so far. But when they connect to my folia survival server, if there are 15 players, 5 of them have connection problems. Either their ping is too high or they cannot enter the server at all. What do you recommend I do at this point?

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I think Folia is breaking their connection or maybe a plugin on my server is doing this? How can I test this and find out the source of this problem? Because some players play normally, some players can never log in or their ping is too high and they are sent back to the lobby at the first login.

livid crag Mar 8, 2024, 7:27 PM

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Likely a plugin issue

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 7:39 PM

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livid crag Likely a plugin issue

Is there any way to detect this?

timid grotto Mar 8, 2024, 7:43 PM

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binary search on your plugins ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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plugins dont just announce "hey, im causing connection problems for some players!"

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 7:44 PM

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timid grotto binary search on your plugins ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There are 40 plugins, in this case I have to remove each one one by one and try again and it is really difficult.

timid grotto Mar 8, 2024, 7:45 PM

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binary search is not one by one

tawdry gullBOT Mar 8, 2024, 7:45 PM

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https://docs.papermc.io/paper/basic-troubleshooting#binary-search

Basic Troubleshooting | PaperMC Documentation

This guide will help you diagnose your server's problem before reporting it to PaperMC or the plugin's author.

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 7:45 PM

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timid grotto binary search is not one by one

What exactly do you mean by binary search?

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Let me check

idle furnace Mar 8, 2024, 7:46 PM

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fast search method

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read the article

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does the cpu get high when you have the problem?

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 7:48 PM

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idle furnace does the cpu get high when you have the problem?

CPU usage is always stable TPS MSPT these are all stable

idle furnace Mar 8, 2024, 7:49 PM

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k k

daring nimbus Mar 8, 2024, 7:51 PM

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Are the lobby server and the folia server on the same physical machine? if not, this could also just be a network issue

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:13 PM

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keen carbon I have critical problem with folia. First of all, I have a velocity server, it c...

No

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Are you using an anticheat?

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Folia won't cause connection issues like that

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What will cause though, is the anticheat clogging your netty thread

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:20 PM

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primal oyster Are you using an anticheat?

I removed anticheat yesterday

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And the problem still persists

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:21 PM

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daring nimbus Are the lobby server and the folia server on the same physical machine? if not, ...

Velocity and folia server are on the same physical server. Lobby server was installed on another dedicated machine

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:22 PM

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primal oyster What will cause though, is the anticheat clogging your netty thread

Should I be suspicious of viaversion viabackward and combatlogx plugin?

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I can create a spark if you want, but everything is stable. There has been no crash on my server so far.

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:24 PM

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send the spark profiler

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this way

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spark profiler --start --thread *

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when the problem starts

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Those players don't come to the server anymore because they have problems, so I will do it when they come back.

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But I still want to send a spark, maybe there is something I missed.

inner swift Mar 8, 2024, 8:29 PM

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Offline mode servers are not supported

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:29 PM

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Your netty thread is not getting chocked so

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it's not a plugin issue at least on Folia

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:30 PM

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inner swift Offline mode servers are not supported

I know, but unfortunately it's not my choice. It requires this because of the gaming community in the country I live in.

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:31 PM

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their "policy" is to not help people with offline mode

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that's why he said that

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:31 PM

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primal oyster it's not a plugin issue at least on Folia

So what do you suggest me?

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:31 PM

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your issue is either network or velocity

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and this moves outside here because its no longer folia

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:31 PM

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Both servers were purchased from hetzner

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:31 PM

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is the velocity on the same machine?

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:32 PM

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The lobby machine has Ryzen 3600. Folia server has epyc 48 core processor

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:32 PM

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welp

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idk then

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network issue or performance issue due to plugins

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its gonna be one of those two

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:32 PM

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primal oyster is the velocity on the same machine?

velocity installed on folia server

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I can move velocity to lobby server

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players connect to the lobby without any problems

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So I don't know, something is wrong with folia.

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I'm stuck so bad

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:34 PM

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keen carbon So I don't know, something is wrong with folia.

no

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it's not

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when you ran that spark profiler

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was the problem present?

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it doesnt seem like it

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 8:42 PM

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primal oyster it doesnt seem like it

Yeah, because I don't have any players having problems right now. It's late here and I think they're sleeping. I will create the spark profile again tomorrow.

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 8:44 PM

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:/

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i literally said when the problem happens

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 10:15 PM

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primal oyster :/

we solved the problem

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 10:15 PM

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GOOD!

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 10:18 PM

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keen carbon we solved the problem

What was the problem?

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 10:19 PM

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fair merlin What was the problem?

The problem was caused by folia.jar(server.jar) We reinstalled it and now logins and pings seem more stable

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Let's wait until tomorrow to be sure. I will inform you here again tomorrow, but for now everything is much more stable.

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 10:25 PM

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keen carbon The problem was caused by folia.jar(server.jar) We reinstalled it and now login...

Not sure I understand. You just replaced the jar? With a newer version, or the same one?

keen carbon Mar 8, 2024, 10:35 PM

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fair merlin Not sure I understand. You just replaced the jar? With a newer version, or the s...

I was already using the latest version 1.20.4 folia. But I think there were some defects in the jar. It may have been damaged during compile. We noticed this and I downloaded the latest version folia jar again. and then I replaced it and the problem seems to be fixed.

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The first folia I used was version 1.20.4 and it was the version I compiled 2 months ago.

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 10:43 PM

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I see.

viral coral Mar 8, 2024, 11:01 PM

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that seems very doubtful

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:02 PM

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Why do you need a good multi threading CPU to run folia? If a paper server can barely run 200 players on one server, folia should do it better on the same CPU?

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:02 PM

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errant wyvern Why do you need a good multi threading CPU to run folia? If a paper server can b...

Not quite. Folia is designed for many cores and a lot of RAM.

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So it won't always work better than Paper on the same server.

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:04 PM

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Can't wrap my head on that concept. It splits world into regions, so each region like its own server. If I open 3 identical survival servers in the same CPU, I can have 500-600 players where normally one can almost get 200. Why folia would struggle?

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:04 PM

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errant wyvern Can't wrap my head on that concept. It splits world into regions, so each region...

There's no way you'd get three Paper servers running 200 players each on a single CPU.

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:04 PM

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Okay, 150

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:05 PM

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150 on a single CPU, sure, but 3x 150? On which CPU?

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Folia breaks things out into multiple threads/cores. It just needs a lot of cores. That's really the short answer.

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:06 PM

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Something like ryzon 9 7*** with 8c 16t

viral coral Mar 8, 2024, 11:06 PM

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a ryzen 9 doesn't have 16 threads

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:06 PM

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Imagine it does, can't remember any CPUs now on top of my head

viral coral Mar 8, 2024, 11:06 PM

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and you could host folia just fine on a 7950x

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:06 PM

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And you can't run 3 concurrent Minecraft servers with 150 players each on a single 7950X.

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Maybe if you nerfed the server a bunch and didn't run any plugins.

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But like an actual 150 person SMP? That's not going to happen.

viral coral Mar 8, 2024, 11:07 PM

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3 x 150 / 200 players on a single 7950x you'd probably be pushing the cpu resources quite a bit

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especially with plugins

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:07 PM

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Yeah

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But with a single 7950X and Folia you could definitely run more players.

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:08 PM

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Well, I have i7 12700, with 7 servers on one machine, folia would struggle?

viral coral Mar 8, 2024, 11:09 PM

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definitely

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:10 PM

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errant wyvern Well, I have i7 12700, with 7 servers on one machine, folia would struggle?

Yes. Folia wants a lot of cores (and not e-cores).

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:11 PM

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But if my CPU is not fully utilized, wouldn't it still be better than just paper?

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:11 PM

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No.

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Folia wants a lot of cores. Inherently. It specifically uses more cores than Paper.

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Think of a CPU as a bus with 32 seats. Paper can get on and sit down and only take up 2 seats. So if the bus is pretty full that's okay.

Folia wants 16 seats at a minimum. That means if the bus is getting full then Folia needs to wait for a new bus.

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In this scenario that "new bus" is a different server with a better CPU.

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If a bus shows up with only 8 seats, Folia isn't going to cut itself in half to fit on the bus. It's gotta wait for a bigger bus.

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Folia eats a lot of snacks, basically.

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:15 PM

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So on a i7 12700, it's better to have 3 identical paper servers than one folia server?

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:15 PM

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For the third time, yes.

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Paper can run on fewer cores.

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Folia cannot.

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Paper is going to be a lot more flexible in terms of which CPUs it can run on.

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:17 PM

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Well, that's just strange for me

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Is this going to improve or will it always be a minimum requirement?

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:17 PM

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No, it will always be the case.

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It is specifically designed to use more cores.

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:18 PM

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Understood, thanks for explaining

finite hinge Mar 8, 2024, 11:24 PM

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Folia with one region is just a slower Paper, it should use the same amount of cores and such though

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If you get two regions (and have another core) then it should be more efficient than 2 paper servers because you share the GC threads and such

errant wyvern Mar 8, 2024, 11:27 PM

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That's mixed answers

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:27 PM

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Yeah Amaranth is just being confusing.

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Just ignore him for now.

finite hinge Mar 8, 2024, 11:27 PM

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Folia doesn't need 16 cores 😛

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Paper should probably have about 4 though

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:28 PM

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You're definitely just gonna confuse them even more.

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Now you're just talking "theory"

finite hinge Mar 8, 2024, 11:28 PM

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The correct answer is "run it and see what happens"

fair merlin Mar 8, 2024, 11:28 PM

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Not on a 12700

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Again: confusing.

finite hinge Mar 8, 2024, 11:28 PM

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I can imagine scenarios where Folia beats Paper on a 12700

primal oyster Mar 8, 2024, 11:31 PM

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fair merlin And you can't run 3 concurrent Minecraft servers with 150 players each on a sing...

you can

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just have to optimize things

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won't be able to do to that out of the box with simple solutions though, that's for sure

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the bus analogy is cool

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that needs to go to the readme XD

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:32 AM

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fair merlin Folia breaks things out into multiple threads/cores. It just needs a lot of core...

How do you think this server system I have would hold up?:

CPU0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) Platinum 6162 CPU @ 1.90GHz (24c/48t)
CPU1: Intel(R) Xeon(R) Platinum 6162 CPU @ 1.90GHz (24c/48t)
MEMORY: 384GB
SSD STORAGE: 2688GB

Would Folia stick to one CPU on a multiple CPU system or use both?

fair merlin Mar 9, 2024, 12:32 AM

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Folia doesn't really support dual CPUs.

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For that setup you should use Paper.

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But in the future please don't ping someone specific - just ask your question.

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Oh a 6162 is a little better than I thought.

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You could probably run Folia on one of those CPUs.

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:34 AM

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Apologizes, I typically turn off mentions.

I am using that system above for a "Beta" test with Folia and intend to have a few hundred people on. I am mostly just testing my plugins and compatiability with the huge a** map I have.

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 12:34 AM

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Is that dedicated? I'm worried about the cost effectiveness if this if the answer is yes

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:35 AM

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inner swift Is that dedicated? I'm worried about the cost effectiveness if this if the answe...

It's home hosted.

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Funny enough, it's actuall a 2RU size server, 4 nodes. So that system above, there is 3 other identical machines in the same chassis.

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It's overkill lol

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 12:36 AM

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small mauve How do you think this server system I have would hold up?: ``` CPU0: Intel(R) X...

It will use both CPUs if you have enough regions with enough load, but it's considered unsupported, this is a danger zone as there are NUMA overheads and etc which are hard to predict

fair merlin Mar 9, 2024, 12:36 AM

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Yeah NUMA is definitely a question mark.

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:37 AM

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I like breaking things. I'll just report my experience with it, won't look for support for it though. Again it is a beta test unit, my actual dedicated would be on something on Hetzner and an i-9

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 12:38 AM

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Careful, i9s are not good for this

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:38 AM

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What do you recommend?

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I am stuck in the idea of needing higher single thread performance lol

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 12:39 AM

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Well, the starting point that I can recomend is the Ryzen 7950x3D in there, which fits the recommendations

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And well, lol, funnily enough the i9's have

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terrible single threaded performance in the E cores, which is the issue

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:40 AM

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Yeah I was gonna ask, is this the effiency cores I heard about.

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The last Intel CPU I owned in my PC was the i7-4790k. I won the silicone lottery with that thing. I had a stable overclock at 4.6Ghz (edit wrong i7). It blew up when I accidentally powered on the motherboard while troubleshooting the motherboard

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 12:41 AM

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small mauve Yeah I was gonna ask, is this the effiency cores I heard about.

Yep, they get in the way

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:42 AM

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Does all the i9s have the E cores? What about i7s?

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:42 AM

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inner swift Yep, they get in the way

Thanks for telling me because I was ready to purchase an i9 for this.

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 12:46 AM

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Well, older i7s and i9s don't have E-cores, but I don't think anything Intel i(x) would fit the 16C/32T recommendation

small mauve Mar 9, 2024, 12:48 AM

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Well, my beta test is on the 23rd, I have 66 RSVPs for it. Typically my RSVPs represent 30% of people who actually attend. So I should definitely push over 200 hopefully. I am going to spread them out pretty hard and run some Towny/SiegeWar stuff in different regions at one time.

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I'll let you know how awesome it goes after.

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The map is 25mil chunks lol

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 1:09 AM

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viral coral that seems very doubtful

there was an issue with player connection that has been fixed in main branch. So if he indeed was on an old version that was the issue.

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 1:09 AM

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he's reporting ping issue

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not unability to connect

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 1:10 AM

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that was initial report but then he also said players could not connect

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 1:10 AM

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ok

fair merlin Mar 9, 2024, 1:10 AM

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I don't think Michael was doubting the connection part. I think Michael was doubting that somehow not compiling it correctly would cause issues.

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But either way speculating doesn't make a lot of sense.

tender hill Mar 9, 2024, 1:11 AM

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inner swift Well, the starting point that I can recomend is the Ryzen 7950x3D in there, whic...

what u think about AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (32) @ 3.400GHz?

fair merlin Mar 9, 2024, 1:11 AM

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If anything it's a reminder that Folia is experimental and you should be on the latest build.

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 1:11 AM

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it was prolly overall not precise info

fair merlin Mar 9, 2024, 1:11 AM

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Probably not, no.

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 1:12 AM

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It's alright, assuming that's a dedi

tender hill Mar 9, 2024, 1:13 AM

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yea, dedi with 128 Gbps ram + 2x10Gbps LACP

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 1:13 AM

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if its rented. just make sure its cooled properly and not being thermal throttled

tender hill Mar 9, 2024, 1:17 AM

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yea, what u think about epyc cpu with more core for folia?

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example 96 core / 192 threads or 128 core/256 threads

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 1:18 AM

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Now that gets heavily into "it depends" territory

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Because you'll need tons of regions to justify that amount of cores

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And less intensive regions as well, to counterbalance the loss of EPYC and such in single threaded performance

swift mason Mar 9, 2024, 2:43 AM

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tender hill example 96 core / 192 threads or 128 core/256 threads

96 core will give better ghz per core

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Or you could spend the money on a cheaper cpu with better single core performance

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Like the Ryzen 9 7000 series

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Or the i9 14000 series

fair merlin Mar 9, 2024, 2:44 AM

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Like Kyle said it depends on what you’re doing.

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An EPYC with 96 cores will hold more regions and therefore more players

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They just might not need it.

severe vault Mar 9, 2024, 2:46 AM

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Does folia support hyperthreading?

tender hill Mar 9, 2024, 3:03 AM

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yea

severe vault Mar 9, 2024, 3:03 AM

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nice

severe vault Mar 9, 2024, 5:49 AM

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How do i compile sparky?

paper siren Mar 9, 2024, 5:57 AM

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What?

finite hinge Mar 9, 2024, 6:46 AM

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small mauve How do you think this server system I have would hold up?: ``` CPU0: Intel(R) X...

In theory the JVM and OS handle the NUMA stuff for you with a NUMA aware GC and NUMA aware scheduling but, uh, I'm not sure anyone has actually tried it. iirc locks across NUMA regions suck so I suspect it would work but in some cases be slower than just disabling one CPU or pinning the JVM to one CPU

severe vault Mar 9, 2024, 12:11 PM

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paper siren What?

The folia version of sparky I believe needs to be compiled with gradle but I got no clue on gradle

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 12:17 PM

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@primal oyster have you had reports pearling being slower / more laggier with Folia?

before: https://www.tiktok.com/@crypvp/video/7334513473512099105?_r=1&_t=8kX7rEMENSD
after: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGey4qEJU/

I can hardly tell any difference, but apparently this is a noticeable delay in pvp

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 12:17 PM

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teleporting in general is slower on folia

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I would imagine that that is the factor here

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 12:18 PM

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do you reckon this is something that can be fixed with a plugin or is it just due to how the arch of Folia?

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 12:19 PM

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they are

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50ms average

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 12:19 PM

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it's an architexture thing

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the thing basically will process teleports on the next tick

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you could maybe try to race through teleports into the same region

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 12:20 PM

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you can do that

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it's not done on folia

paper siren Mar 9, 2024, 12:20 PM

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severe vault The folia version of sparky I believe needs to be compiled with gradle but I got...

if you mean spark, there is https://ci.lucko.me/job/spark-folia/

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 12:20 PM

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spotted is scheduling on the region for 1

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it's the same for all packets too

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overall pvp on folia will not be like the paper experience @subtle fjord

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the pearl you can fix but someone who plays a lot of combat all day will notice it no matter what

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there's a github issue for the packet part

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but that's something that would require 'a lot' of change on the ticking mech

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 12:21 PM

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primal oyster the pearl you can fix but someone who plays a lot of combat all day will notice ...

I think thats fine, we are not a pvp server anyways, and some of the "thrill" for players is doing pvp on a non-pvp server.

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 12:21 PM

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there's a suggestion too

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 12:21 PM

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primal oyster there's a github issue for the packet part

link?

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 12:21 PM

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so if you want to get your dev to impl you can

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it's the only one i have open

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 12:22 PM

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I implemented this

👀

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 12:24 PM

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the logic is

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paper has mid tick task processing

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folia doesnt

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folia will only process packets when the ticking of a region is actually happening

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essentially what i did there was add mid task processing

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in a "scuffed" way

sick bane Mar 9, 2024, 1:44 PM

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viral stone but, really, relying on logic like that just looks kinda needlessly fragile

Here is the recode
do you think it's good or do you have any advice to make the code better ?

📎 message.java

fierce knotBOT Mar 9, 2024, 1:44 PM

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sick bane Here is the recode do you think it's good or do you have any advice to make the ...

message.java by @sick bane: https://pastes.dev/rHIeQPudTd

pastes | rHIeQPudTd

A paste containing 52 lines of x.

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 1:47 PM

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Ypu're passing around a collection to various threads which is not thread safe

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you're also making assumptions of the time

sick bane Mar 9, 2024, 1:56 PM

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viral stone Ypu're passing around a collection to various threads which is not thread safe

Map<UUID, User> connectedUser is a copy of the original collection

so I should just remove the timeout ?

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 2:13 PM

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Use a ConcurrentHashMap

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why do you need to try to sleep for 50ms? @sick bane

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are you trying to replicate sort of a tick mechanism?

sick bane Mar 9, 2024, 2:15 PM

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I'm not sleeping for 50ms

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 2:16 PM

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i mean the countdown

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why is that there

sick bane Mar 9, 2024, 2:16 PM

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I use CountDownLatch

it wait until the count down is == 0

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 2:17 PM

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you don't need that

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Here's a tip

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 2:19 PM

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your peerMap, is not thread safe, you're passing it into various methods in which then mutate it concurrently

primal oyster Mar 9, 2024, 2:20 PM

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yeah, that

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what are you using the consumer to?

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You can workaround with ThreadLocals etc there without having to fully have that await time too

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The time assumption you have there should likely have desync issues all of the time

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you'll have a lot more accuracy with the thread locals, you can track players around with more precision as well

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 2:22 PM

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also, as said, if a player logs off that will fail to populate properly, the folia entity schedulers have a retirement runnable for a reason

sick bane Mar 9, 2024, 2:26 PM

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viral stone your peerMap, is not thread safe, you're passing it into various methods in whic...

yeah I saw that after I change it

sick bane Mar 9, 2024, 2:33 PM

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primal oyster what are you using the consumer to?

my class VoiceChatProcessor is made to generate update voicechat data
that in function of the plugin setup, will be use directly, or sent to the main proxy serv

sick bane Mar 9, 2024, 2:51 PM

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viral stone also, as said, if a player logs off that will fail to populate properly, the fol...

        for (User user : connectedUser.values()) {
            Player player = Bukkit.getPlayer(user.getPlayerId());
            if (player == null) {
                cd.countDown();
                continue;
            }
            BoostedAudioSpigot.getInstance().getScheduler().runAtEntity(player, task -> {
                getPeerPlayer(player, connectedUser, user, peerMap);
                cd.countDown();
            });
        }

you mean the player when executing .runAtEntity(player, task -> {
can disconnect even if I check just before

so I need to do something like that

      for (User user : connectedUser.values()) {
            Player player = Bukkit.getPlayer(user.getPlayerId());
            if (player == null) {
                cd.countDown();
                continue;
            }
            BoostedAudioSpigot.getInstance().getScheduler().runAtEntityWithFallback(player, task -> {
                getPeerPlayer(player, connectedUser, user, peerMap);
                cd.countDown();
            }, cd::countDown);
        }

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 2:52 PM

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Yes, the method can also return false if the player already logged off

restive crane Mar 9, 2024, 3:02 PM

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is it normal that folia reload confirm command doesn't work?

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 3:03 PM

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Yes

thin anvil Mar 9, 2024, 3:09 PM

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Does spottedleaf has a estimated time to fully finish folia

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or will it take some more years ya guys think

tawdry gullBOT Mar 9, 2024, 3:09 PM

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Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

Folia will:

NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
NOT be merged into Paper
NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

sick bane Mar 9, 2024, 3:11 PM

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viral stone Yes, the method can also return false if the player already logged off

ok ty

fading sequoia Mar 9, 2024, 4:51 PM

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On which servers can folia be installed?

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Only dedicated and vps?

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 4:54 PM

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I mean, it's a piece of java software

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it's just generally expected that if you're gonna take the hurt of folia, you're generally going to not be running it on some shoddy VPS and actually have the resources for it to make sense

fading sequoia Mar 9, 2024, 4:59 PM

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viral stone it's just generally expected that if you're gonna take the hurt of folia, you're...

bloom.host

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Doesn't make sense to run Folia on a Bloom VPS

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Their max offering is 6 logical cores

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 5:06 PM

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depending on your usecase that can work

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it's just on you to determine if the caveats involved are worth it, and if your host is willing to allow you to use such potentially heavy software

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it pretty much changes nothing of what I've said

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 5:07 PM

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It's $78 a month for 6 threads, lol, I don't see any usecase where that'd make sense

viral stone Mar 9, 2024, 5:08 PM

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hardware perf wise and operationally wise are two different concepts

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severe vault Mar 9, 2024, 6:14 PM

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what would this be?

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i search up jvm debug symbols on alpine couldnt find anything

inner swift Mar 9, 2024, 6:15 PM

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Tbh I'd just pick a JVM that comes with them

young burrow Mar 9, 2024, 7:02 PM

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hey so something i noticed is

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folia uses a the ram allocated for each region

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so i can lower it than what i wouldve done for a 1.12.2 anarchy server

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cause this is not good i only got 112 gigs of ram

scenic sky Mar 9, 2024, 7:03 PM

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what

young burrow Mar 9, 2024, 7:03 PM

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i keep getting crashes for out of memory error makes sense i should just make that 8 gigs for the start flags ?

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cause 8 x 24 for each region

scenic sky Mar 9, 2024, 7:04 PM

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this is a 1.20.4 paper server

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it just looks like that in htop

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its not actually using the amount for each thread

young burrow Mar 9, 2024, 7:05 PM

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oh well some how folia is using more than 24 gigs of ram and i dont want it to it keeps making my server freeze for oom

scenic sky Mar 9, 2024, 7:05 PM

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java always uses more than whats allocated

young burrow Mar 9, 2024, 7:05 PM

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ok

jaunty atlas Mar 9, 2024, 7:05 PM

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Lower it a few gb and it should be good

young burrow Mar 9, 2024, 7:05 PM

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memory upgrade time i guess

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yeah it was 64 gigs before this i made it 24 now

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there is HUGE dupe stashes on my server which is why ram is like absurd

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 7:23 PM

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thats just heap, there is still non-heap (outside of OS stuff ofc) - so I think these days you go with conversative 60% of the memory you want to allocate to java - or you can try pushing to 80%

worldly moat Mar 9, 2024, 7:24 PM

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whats the latest folia server?

subtle fjord Mar 9, 2024, 8:09 PM

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1.20.4

worldly moat Mar 10, 2024, 7:17 AM

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How is folia with mob farms and basic vanilla redstone futures?

livid crag Mar 10, 2024, 7:18 AM

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I'd say closer to Vanilla than paper since mobsapwn loop is ran per-region.

finite hinge Mar 10, 2024, 7:20 AM

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redstone has the same issues as every craftbukkit-based server, some quirks people usually don't notice but some popular farm designs have run in to

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I don't really remember what they are, haven't cared for 10 years

worldly moat Mar 10, 2024, 7:29 AM

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Ok ya I didn’t know if there was some background limitations on mob caps/redstone designs to squeeze performance

finite hinge Mar 10, 2024, 7:31 AM

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Nah, doesn't really matter if a region is packed full of mobs or crazy redstone machines, every other region will be fine 😄

errant ravine Mar 10, 2024, 4:06 PM

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Hey I was wondering which dedi was best on 100-300 players with 7 worlds (3 ressource world, 3 claiming world, 1 spawn world):

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 5:24 PM

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i am creating a docker container for folia do you have direct download for the folia jar or something similar to this https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 5:25 PM

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I mean, the API is there and queryable

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idk what 1.20.4 versions got pushed there

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 5:26 PM

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it seems to be the standard paper mc jars only no forks

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 5:26 PM

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You're looking at the paper project

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we have other projects on there

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 5:26 PM

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oh ok

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perfect ty

silver escarp Mar 10, 2024, 8:10 PM

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is foliaspigot already safe to use?

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specifically newer versions

inner swift Mar 10, 2024, 8:11 PM

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It depends on what you mean by safe

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It won't really spontaneously crash or anything, but there's still missing API and high hardware requirements

silver escarp Mar 10, 2024, 8:12 PM

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Okay

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We wanted to test it on our small factions server

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nothing too big but always ready to learn something

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I'll just try it

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:28 PM

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i am getting Error: Invalid or corrupt jarfile server.jar when trying to execute the folia jar file which i downloaded from the api

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PROJECT="folia"
MINECRAFT_VERSION="1.20.4"

LATEST_VERSION=$(curl -s https://api.papermc.io/v2/projects/${PROJECT} | \
    jq -r '.versions[-1]')

LATEST_BUILD=$(curl -s https://api.papermc.io/v2/projects/${PROJECT}/versions/${MINECRAFT_VERSION}/builds | \
    jq -r '.builds | map(select(.channel == "default") | .build) | .[-1]')

JAR_NAME=${PROJECT}-${LATEST_VERSION}-${LATEST_BUILD}.jar

PAPERMC_URL="https://api.papermc.io/v2/projects/${PROJECT}/versions/${LATEST_VERSION}/builds/${LATEST_BUILD}/downloads/${JAR_NAME}"

curl -o server.jar $PAPERMC_URL
echo "Downloads completed"```

fair merlin Mar 10, 2024, 8:29 PM

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silver escarp is foliaspigot already safe to use?

FWIW it’s just called Folia. Definitely not “foliaspigot”

silver escarp Mar 10, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Ok sorry

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 8:37 PM

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latest download from the API works fine here

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:40 PM

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hmm

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i will redownload mabye it broke then

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java -Xmx4096M -Xms4096M -jar server.jar --nogui, not working with these boot args

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 8:46 PM

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have you looked at the jar file you downloaded?

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:48 PM

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i am getting this when running ```#!/bin/bash

PROJECT="folia"
MINECRAFT_VERSION="1.20.4"

LATEST_BUILD=$(curl -s https://api.papermc.io/v2/projects/${PROJECT}/versions/${MINECRAFT_VERSION}/builds |
jq '.builds | map(select(.channel == "default") | .build) | .[-1]')

echo "Latest build is $LATEST_BUILD"```

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 8:48 PM

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going to guess your "jar" file is a 404

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:48 PM

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yeap

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not too sure why

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 8:49 PM

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answer is obvious

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"channel":"experimental"

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:49 PM

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it aint in the docs

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 8:49 PM

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what?

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:50 PM

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viral stone > "channel":"experimental"

^^

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:51 PM

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viral stone > "channel":"experimental"

where does this go?

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 8:51 PM

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The folia builds are marked as being in the experimental channel

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your script is trying to map stuff for the default channel

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:52 PM

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ah ok

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:55 PM

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viral stone The folia builds are marked as being in the experimental channel

You should add that to the api downloads page

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 8:55 PM

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folia? no

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:56 PM

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not as a little note why?

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 8:56 PM

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Because certain things being inside of different channels is not really something of note to that page

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the expectation there is to just provide some examples with the expectation that people aiming to parse the API are either looking for easy stable builds or are aware of what they're doing

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 8:58 PM

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ok

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You should provide some sort of information somewhere on the different channels and what they contain

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 9:02 PM

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we don't exactly have a fixed list of channels

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oh, wait, we do

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it's on the swagger docs

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 9:03 PM

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swagger?

viral stone Mar 10, 2024, 9:03 PM

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yes, the api docs page

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https://api.papermc.io

severe vault Mar 10, 2024, 9:04 PM

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i dont see channels on their

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found nvm

ripe badger Mar 11, 2024, 8:55 PM

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Hello, I'm attempting to compile folia, using the paper compilation guide located here: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper#how-to-compiling-jar-from-source . I am unable to run the command ./gradlew applyPatches to completion. When I run it, I get the following error: ```$ ./gradlew applyPatches

Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.5.11 (running on 'Windows 10')

Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

What went wrong:
Could not create an instance of type org.gradle.api.internal.initialization.DefaultScriptHandler.

Could not create service of type ChecksumService using BuildSessionScopeServices.createChecksumService().
Cannot lock checksums cache (C:\Users\main\Desktop\Folia Compilation\Folia.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper.gradle\8.5\checksums) as it has already been locked by this process.

Try:

Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.

You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.

For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.5/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.

BUILD FAILED in 6s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed``` I'm unfamiliar with gradle (I use maven for my own plugins) so I'm not sure how to fix this issue. I'm running the command in a git bash terminal if that matters.

feral hazel Mar 11, 2024, 8:57 PM

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delete your .gradle folder in the folia project and start again from the beginning

gentle raven Mar 11, 2024, 8:57 PM

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just do ./gradlew clean

feral hazel Mar 11, 2024, 8:57 PM

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or so

gentle raven Mar 11, 2024, 8:57 PM

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generally better then just nuking the .gradle folder

feral hazel Mar 11, 2024, 8:58 PM

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you're right

gentle raven Mar 11, 2024, 8:58 PM

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though ig both are gonna work kekw

ripe badger Mar 11, 2024, 8:59 PM

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It seems to have failed with the same error after I ran the clean command```$ ./gradlew applyPatches

Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.5.11 (running on 'Windows 10')

Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

What went wrong:
Could not create an instance of type org.gradle.api.internal.initialization.DefaultScriptHandler.

Could not create service of type ChecksumService using BuildSessionScopeServices.createChecksumService().
Cannot lock checksums cache (C:\Users\main\Desktop\Folia Compilation\Folia.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper.gradle\8.5\checksums) as it has already been locked by this process.

Try:

Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.

You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.

For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.5/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.

BUILD FAILED in 7s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed

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I will try deleting the entire gradle folder

feral hazel Mar 11, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Could this have something to do with the space in the file path? When I make the applyPatches on a fresh project, there are no problems.

ripe badger Mar 11, 2024, 9:04 PM

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I'm not sure, I was actuall prevented from deleting the .gradle folder because it was open in another program, but I've closed everything on the computer.

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I'm going to restart and see what happens, if deleting the folder doesn't work I'll try removing the space from the path

feral hazel Mar 11, 2024, 9:04 PM

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did you also do /gradlew clean?

ripe badger Mar 11, 2024, 9:04 PM

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yes I tried that first

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no errors for that command

feral hazel Mar 11, 2024, 9:05 PM

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and the .gradle folder is also gone after the clean?

ripe badger Mar 11, 2024, 9:06 PM

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I didn't check to see if it was there between running clean and running applyPatches, but it's there now

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I'll be back after the restart, should only take a minute

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restarted and deleted .gradle, I'm going to try applying patches again now

timid grotto Mar 11, 2024, 9:10 PM

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if it still doesnt work, the space shouldnt matter, but its worth removing just to eliminate the possibility

ripe badger Mar 11, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Failed again after removing space from path, but error is a bit different from before.```$ ./gradlew applyPatches
Starting a Gradle Daemon, 2 stopped Daemons could not be reused, use --status for details

Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.5.11 (running on 'Windows 10')

Configure project :paper
paperweight-core v1.5.11 (running on 'Windows 10')

Task :paper:patchCraftBukkit FAILED
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchCraftBukkit'.

io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false apply --ignore-whitespace --directory=src/main/java C:\Users\main\Desktop\FoliaCompilation\Folia.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper.gradle\caches\paperweight\taskCache\patchCraftBukkitPatches.zip--1268264400\net\minecraft\world\level\storage\loot\predicates\LootItemConditionRandomChanceWithLooting.patch

Try:

Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.

You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.

For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.5/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.

BUILD FAILED in 2m 59s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed```

timid grotto Mar 11, 2024, 9:30 PM

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probably windows path length limit

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clone into a folder directly in your C: drive

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or use wsl

lusty haven Mar 11, 2024, 10:36 PM

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Hello! Just a question is there any configuration wiki for like EPYC 9454P to run Folia on or similar may be?

fair merlin Mar 11, 2024, 10:37 PM

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There are no configuration wikis for specific CPUs for Folia or Paper.

lusty haven Mar 11, 2024, 10:37 PM

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fair merlin There are no configuration wikis for specific CPUs for Folia or Paper.

Any recommended settings though?

fair merlin Mar 11, 2024, 10:37 PM

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Not really, no. Settings are adjusted to taste.

lusty haven Mar 11, 2024, 10:38 PM

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fair merlin Not really, no. Settings are adjusted to taste.

Ok. Many thanks for the reply just wanted to know for sure.

fair merlin Mar 11, 2024, 10:39 PM

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The optimization guide we link for Paper is more or less applicable to Folia also.

tawdry gullBOT Mar 11, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Community contributed configuration guide for Paper: https://paper-chan.moe/paper-optimization

ripe badger Mar 11, 2024, 10:54 PM

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timid grotto probably windows path length limit

Thanks for the suggestion! The path was ~260 characters long. I was able to build it. I appear to have long paths enabled in the registry, do you know if there's something else I have to do to enable them again (or if it is a quirk of git bash)

fair merlin Mar 11, 2024, 10:56 PM

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It's some windows gradle thing I think

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Not exactly sure what the issue is but it's something people run into here often.

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Pretty sure someone's trying to work on a fix for it but don't think it's merged yet.

viral stone Mar 11, 2024, 11:32 PM

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There is no fix, there was gonna be a thing to warn when you hit that limit, however

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It’s an os limitation, only real “fix” is to disable the limit

fair merlin Mar 11, 2024, 11:34 PM

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Ah yeah, it wasn't a "fix" but rather more accurate warning IIRC.

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https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/pull/236

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Only been half paying attention to it because I don't use Windows.

finite hinge Mar 12, 2024, 1:09 AM

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iirc things have to actually use the newer APIs that can handle long paths too, it's not enough to just turn them on in the registry

exotic stirrup Mar 12, 2024, 5:12 PM

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<@&748618676189528155>

marsh mapleBOT Mar 12, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Reason: Quick-banned for sending a message in #folia-help

jagged hearth Mar 13, 2024, 12:49 PM

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📎 message.txt

fierce knotBOT Mar 13, 2024, 12:49 PM

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jagged hearth

message.txt by @jagged hearth: https://pastes.dev/h3a85UQNVS

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A paste containing 27 lines of plaintext.

jagged hearth Mar 13, 2024, 12:49 PM

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Help please

viral stone Mar 13, 2024, 12:54 PM

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Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not load plugin 'DiSky v4.12.0' as it is not marked as supporting Folia!

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you need plugins which support folia.

rotund fossil Mar 13, 2024, 4:08 PM

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I mean, it pretty much tells you

lilac egret Mar 14, 2024, 3:39 PM

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how do i install folia bruh 😭

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its giivng me an error

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timid grotto Mar 14, 2024, 3:50 PM

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show the full thing

tawdry gullBOT Mar 14, 2024, 3:50 PM

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Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

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finite hinge Mar 14, 2024, 4:23 PM

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Going to guess either you downloaded from github instead of cloning or you're on Windows and are in C:\Users\Name\Documents\Github\Folia instead of C:\Folia so the path is too long

hexed ice Mar 14, 2024, 6:24 PM

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since it failed on patchSpigotApi you probably didn't set a git username and email

finite hinge Mar 14, 2024, 6:28 PM

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Ah, right, always forget that one

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 7:14 AM

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im kicking a player and hes still online

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using latest folia build

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 7:14 AM

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How are you kicking them?

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 7:14 AM

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1st try usunig essentials kick
2nd using minecraft command

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 7:14 AM

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What's your output of /version?

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 7:14 AM

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they said they left themselves but server still has them online

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 7:15 AM

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fair merlin What's your output of `/version`?

This server is running Folia version git-Folia-"e97b1ee" (MC: 1.20.4) (Implementing API version 1.20.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: e97b1ee)

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 7:16 AM

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Well for Essentials commands not working, you'd want to talk to them.

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What command or method exactly are you doing for #2?

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 7:16 AM

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minecraft:kick

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Could not pass event PlayerJoinEvent to AuthMe v5.6.0-SNAPSHOT-bCUSTOM
java.lang.IllegalStateException: Player is already removed from player chunk loader

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well i guess i know the problem (maybe)

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 7:18 AM

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fresh thicket Could not pass event PlayerJoinEvent to AuthMe v5.6.0-SNAPSHOT-bCUSTOM java.lang...

Looks like you're using offline mode.

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 7:18 AM

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yep

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 7:18 AM

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Could be why things aren't working.

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We don't support offline mode here.

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 7:18 AM

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uhh oh

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alr

hexed ice Mar 15, 2024, 7:20 AM

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I can't replicate a player not being kicked after using the vanilla kick command also

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 7:20 AM

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Yeah sounds like an offline mode issue.

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 8:36 AM

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now i have online mode on and it all fixed) without that stupid plugin

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thnks

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but why tps in 1 region affects tps in other regions?

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 8:48 AM

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fresh thicket now i have online mode on and it all fixed) without that stupid plugin

What hardware are you running?

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 8:51 AM

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Intel Xeon E5-1650V3 - 6 cores

24 gb ram

192 gb ssd

errant wyvern Mar 15, 2024, 8:52 AM

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That's bad

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Very very very bad

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 8:53 AM

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fresh thicket Intel Xeon E5-1650V3 - 6 cores 24 gb ram 192 gb ssd

Yeah tha'ts pretty far below what we recommend running for Folia. Your system is likely just overloaded.

If you're just testing basic plugin compatibility or whatever it's fine but if you're trying to actually run a server there's a pretty good chance Paper is going to be faster.

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 8:58 AM

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fair merlin Yeah tha'ts pretty far below what we recommend running for Folia. Your system is...

whats remoccended

errant wyvern Mar 15, 2024, 8:58 AM

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16c CPU's with high single core performance

tawdry gullBOT Mar 15, 2024, 8:58 AM

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Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

Folia will:

NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
NOT be merged into Paper
NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 8:59 AM

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fresh thicket whats remoccended

You should read the documentation. We recommend at least 16 cores / 32 threads. You may be able to get away with less if you're on a faster modern CPU with otherwise fast hardware and you optmize the hell out of everything and don't run any plugins.

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But Folia is inherently core hungry.

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It's built to use a lot of cores.

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 9:00 AM

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On paper it only used about 40% of all cpu availible and now 60

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anyway it's better

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 9:00 AM

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15TPS doesn't seem better to me.

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 9:02 AM

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was 9 before

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normal

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 9:20 AM

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bt i have only 9 players online, why its overloaded even on 9 online

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is it extremely bad

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 9:22 AM

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Your server does not meet the minimum recommended hardware requirements for Folia.

finite hinge Mar 15, 2024, 9:32 AM

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TPS in one region will effect the others because you only have one region thread, most likely

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 9:42 AM

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finite hinge TPS in one region will effect the others because you only have one region thread...

so its impossible to fix it on my iron?

finite hinge Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 AM

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The best way would be to get a better CPU or switch to Paper

fresh thicket Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 AM

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i see

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alr thnks

finite hinge Mar 15, 2024, 9:44 AM

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Otherwise I think you can force it to spawn a certain number of region threads but if you overload your CPU that just makes everything worse

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For 6 players it's real hard to imagine Folia ever actually being better for you than Paper. There are technically some cases Folia would win but, uh, probably not enough to notice outside of like 1 scenario

chilly heron Mar 15, 2024, 10:01 AM

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What when players spread into different areas? We've got a hell of loaded chunks but on the other hand want to keep it more natural when it comes with gameplay and farming. Is there a break even point to measure between paper and folia?

finite hinge Mar 15, 2024, 10:03 AM

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Any time you can actually get multiple regions and have the CPU cores to spare to run them independently Folia can be a win, sure

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But 6 players will probably fit just fine on a Paper server without having to nerf things, there is some overhead for a Folia region so it won't be able to handle as much as a Paper server, and 6 players are rarely going to get far enough from each other to get multiple regions

elder portal Mar 15, 2024, 5:10 PM

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finite hinge But 6 players will probably fit just fine on a Paper server without having to ne...

Yeah. I'm running a Paper server with simple-ish plugins such as AdvancedTeleport, LuckPerms, LPC, and also CoreProtect from the heavier side. It's running on a virtual machine on Proxmox, 4x Intel Xeon E4-4620v2 CPU's (I have 10 cores dedicated to the mc server VM), 16GB of RAM for the VM and I have 4-10 players on it pretty often. I've had no big issues with it.

I did also dabble a bit with Folia a few months back, mainly just out of curiosity. I copied my production world over to Folia, and it was better at handling fast traveling and chunk loading (it was smoother), also didn't dislike dozens of mobs (villagers/zombies/etc.) in a single area as much as Paper does. Other than those, no other big benefits on my hardware.

And no, this wasn't programmatically or very accurately tested, but the feel was very different between Paper and Folia in terms of smoothness and performance.

calm fable Mar 15, 2024, 5:49 PM

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so a little bit ago. there was a bug on folia that would cause the mob spawns to ramp up if too many people came online, is there any way to reintroduce that bug as a feature?

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 5:50 PM

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I mean, that was the mob counter breaking

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just use a plugin which increases the spawn limits?

calm fable Mar 15, 2024, 5:51 PM

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right but it seemed to be population based and i havent seen a plugin that does that

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 5:51 PM

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Basically, no, there is no interest in reintroducing the bug into folia, you could however make a plugin which emulates the side-effects that it induced in a supported manner

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if no such plugin exists, you'll basically either need to make one yourself or commission it or whatever

calm fable Mar 15, 2024, 5:52 PM

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my players miss that bug 😦

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 5:52 PM

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there are plugins which have existed to reduce the limits as more people come on, but, idk if anybody ported such a plugin to folia or if it can effectively do the inverse

calm fable Mar 15, 2024, 5:53 PM

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i mean i had to all but disable squid spawning the mob rushes were awesome

inner swift Mar 15, 2024, 5:53 PM

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Unless I'm missing something, you just need to increase the player cap based on # of online players?

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Which would be like 20 lines of code

calm fable Mar 15, 2024, 5:53 PM

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i know nothing of java programming

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but if you have a resource link to help get started?

inner swift Mar 15, 2024, 5:55 PM

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See the last pin in #general

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This one plugin might be easy in Folia, but I have to say that learning Java to go straight to Folia plugin development in general will be really frustrating

keen carbon Mar 15, 2024, 8:25 PM

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Hey

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I need help

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region freezed

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what is that

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its freezed

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Has anyone experienced anything like this before?

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 8:27 PM

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I mean, if a region deadlocks, weird shit happens

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like, yes, it has happened before, it's a noted caveat that if a region locks up, which is possible, it will get stuck

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there is no magical fix, best you can do is grab a few jstacks to see what the process is doing and reboot it

paper cairn Mar 15, 2024, 8:29 PM

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viral stone there is no magical fix, best you can do is grab a few jstacks to see what the p...

how would you do that?

viral coral Mar 15, 2024, 8:30 PM

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jstack <process id>

keen carbon Mar 15, 2024, 8:31 PM

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viral coral jstack <process id>

How can I process jstack this on pterodactly folia server?

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 8:31 PM

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er

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I think there was a java kill signal that would make it thread dump?

viral coral Mar 15, 2024, 8:32 PM

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kill -3

keen carbon Mar 15, 2024, 8:33 PM

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viral coral kill -3

what do you mean by kill -3

viral coral Mar 15, 2024, 8:33 PM

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kill -3 <process id>

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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idk if ptero will make that bunch of info accessible

keen carbon Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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viral stone I think there was a java kill signal that would make it thread dump?

If I kill, will the server not restart?

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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no

viral coral Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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should be fine

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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it's just a signal

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if you sent a signal that would actually kill the process, it would die

keen carbon Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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I can't kill the server without stopping it

viral coral Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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no

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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what

viral coral Mar 15, 2024, 8:34 PM

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viral coral kill -3 <process id>

.

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 8:35 PM

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kill literally just sends a signal to the process

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signal 3 is not a "you die now" signal

viral coral Mar 15, 2024, 8:35 PM

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the barrier of entry for folia is high for a reason

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you're expected to be able to take care of some basic systems administration by yourself

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lol

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send kill signal -3 to your java process

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thread dump will get output to stdout

keen carbon Mar 15, 2024, 8:52 PM

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We fixed this thank you for the help

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Why does this happen? What is it that does this?

viral stone Mar 15, 2024, 8:53 PM

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We can't tell you

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that's why we told you to get a jstack

errant wyvern Mar 15, 2024, 9:35 PM

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-9 better

sudden tusk Mar 15, 2024, 10:16 PM

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errant wyvern -9 better

Does that also do a thread dump? I thought it just straight murdered.

errant wyvern Mar 15, 2024, 10:18 PM

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Im straight to murder

sudden tusk Mar 15, 2024, 10:19 PM

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Okay, but if we're trying to get a thread dump how does that help 🤔

unborn pulsar Mar 15, 2024, 10:21 PM

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I'm not using paper. I'm using folia.
I'm having an issue were new chunks aren't generating very fast. I originally thought this is was bad hardware, but it generates new chunk in the nether and the end just fine is there any fix to this.
Don't suggest chunky. I want it to generate new chunks fast
Im using pterdoctyl for hosting

Is there a way to make it run faster

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 10:29 PM

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unborn pulsar I'm not using paper. I'm using folia. I'm having an issue were new chunks aren't...

What hardware are you running this on?

livid crag Mar 15, 2024, 10:31 PM

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The new chunk generate as fast as your hardware is afford to process them. This is not rocket science.

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The reason Chunky is recommended is that you do the process ahead of the time so when a player is loading them, you do not have to do the same step.

unborn pulsar Mar 15, 2024, 10:35 PM

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livid crag The new chunk generate as fast as your hardware is afford to process them. This ...

i know that but i was wondering if theres something i could do about it

unborn pulsar Mar 15, 2024, 10:35 PM

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fair merlin What hardware are you running this on?

intel i5 4970S, 8GB ddr3 ram

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running ubuntu server

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20.04

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i know its not fast

sudden tusk Mar 15, 2024, 10:36 PM

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That feels like an okay choice to run paper not folia.

unborn pulsar Mar 15, 2024, 10:36 PM

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sudden tusk That feels like an *okay* choice to run *paper* not folia.

how about purpur?

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i heard its really fast

sudden tusk Mar 15, 2024, 10:37 PM

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Wat.

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And I heard if I put fire decals on my car it'll go faster.

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How many players do you have actively playing on your server?

unborn pulsar Mar 15, 2024, 10:38 PM

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10 - 15 max

sudden tusk Mar 15, 2024, 10:38 PM

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Then there's no reason for folia. Just use paper.

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 10:38 PM

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unborn pulsar i heard its really fast

Forks of Paper are generally not any faster than Paper.

livid crag Mar 15, 2024, 10:38 PM

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unborn pulsar i know that but i was wondering if theres something i could do about it

I mean yeah.. there is something you can do about it but it's the thing you said you dont want to do...

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 10:38 PM

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Unless you’re using Folia and have the hardware to support it. Which only makes sense with lots of players.

sudden tusk Mar 15, 2024, 10:39 PM

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If you start hitting ten times that - 100 to 150 players - let's start talking folia 😆

unborn pulsar Mar 15, 2024, 10:39 PM

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livid crag I mean yeah.. there is something you can do about it but it's the thing you said...

ya did it for 10k but i was wondering if i could make it faster without using chunky

fair merlin Mar 15, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Not without better hardware

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Pre-generating with Chunky is basically free performance.

sudden tusk Mar 15, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Just go for Paper, slap chunky in to pre-gen for a day or something, and then things will be far happier.

unborn pulsar Mar 15, 2024, 10:40 PM

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ok

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primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 12:09 AM

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fair merlin Well for Essentials commands not working, you'd want to talk to them.

it's not essentials I think

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I've seen this "issue" on donut, im still investigating it

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It's something todo with the connection list

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It barely happens to anyone in the first place

subtle fjord Mar 16, 2024, 12:10 AM

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curious, read a couple of times "offline mode not supported" - but how do people usually run paper/folia with velocity?

primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 12:10 AM

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It takes hours and sometimes days for it to happen

primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 12:10 AM

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subtle fjord curious, read a couple of times "offline mode not supported" - but how do people...

thats something you'll find talk on #velocity-help

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Michael has spoken before why velocity proxies are "an advantage still"

subtle fjord Mar 16, 2024, 12:14 AM

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was planning to offload some plugins to velocity, but ended up not really requiring/getting rid of them alltogether so maybe also time to decommission it again.

primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 12:14 AM

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Switching things to velocity might reduce overload-server-side

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but gotta be very careful too

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Poor performance of functions on netty threads is the worst nightmare you'll want to have

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it'll lead to 100s of weird glitches in the server and there's no actual explanation for it

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you'll only notice once you actually debug it

viral coral Mar 16, 2024, 12:15 AM

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subtle fjord curious, read a couple of times "offline mode not supported" - but how do people...

it's more that we don't provide support for users supporting or facilitating piracy

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said servers usually introduce weird quirks with questionable plugins

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there are more than valid reasons for using offline mode and we have nothing against that

subtle fjord Mar 16, 2024, 12:16 AM

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aaaah alr.. I thought this was a Folia limitation..

viral coral Mar 16, 2024, 12:16 AM

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nah it's just a general policy here

fair merlin Mar 16, 2024, 12:28 AM

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Right. "Offline mode" with proxy enabled for Mojang auth is supported.

Offline mode with no Mojang auth is not.

paper cairn Mar 16, 2024, 10:24 AM

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how would I look up the PID for a ticking region?

viral coral Mar 16, 2024, 10:28 AM

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you don't

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you just need a process ID of any part of the jvm

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jstack will output a thread dump of whatever is running

paper cairn Mar 16, 2024, 10:28 AM

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oh, alright, mb

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I'll try that, thanks

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 10:40 AM

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freezed

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other chunk

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https://pastes.dev/hl3JazXVAj

pastes | hl3JazXVAj

A paste containing 2963 lines of plaintext.

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What can I do about this? I'm stuck on my server. This situation is getting very boring.

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 10:43 AM

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keen carbon https://pastes.dev/hl3JazXVAj

here is the jstack

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 11:03 AM

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Is there a way to fix this region without restarting the server?

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 11:06 AM

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no

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all I can see is like, 1 region thread doing chunk saving, can't really see anything else going on from a quick glance

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there is a reason why I said a few jstacks MahiruShrug

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 11:19 AM

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viral stone all I can see is like, 1 region thread doing chunk saving, can't really see anyt...

Could the coreprotect plugin cause this?

timid grotto Mar 16, 2024, 12:14 PM

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any plugin could cause it. we arent going to dig through random plugins looking for a needle in a haystack for you

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if you dont want to follow ecats advice, you can try a binary search on your plugins

tawdry gullBOT Mar 16, 2024, 12:15 PM

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https://docs.papermc.io/paper/basic-troubleshooting#binary-search

Basic Troubleshooting | PaperMC Docs

This guide will help you diagnose your server's problem before reporting it to PaperMC or the plugin's author.

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 12:27 PM

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timid grotto any plugin *could* cause it. we arent going to dig through random plugins lookin...

This situation occurs very rarely. How do I detect this by separating the plugins?

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 12:27 PM

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I mean, it might not even be a plugin

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all I have is a single snapshot in time which suggests that a region thread was doing a save

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maybe the thing got stuck saving chunks for some reason, I can't say, because we only have 1 snapshot

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 12:39 PM

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viral stone maybe the thing got stuck saving chunks for some reason, I can't say, because we...

I tried to jtag 2 times now, but both times the server restarted.

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 12:40 PM

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jstack won't cause the server to restart

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 12:41 PM

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viral stone jstack won't cause the server to restart

but it do

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i did for 2 times

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 12:41 PM

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No idea then

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like, the signal does not seem to kill the process, maybe if you spam it too fast it might hit the quit signal while already in the handler and blow up?

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all I can guess is that you're cursed MahiruShrug

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 12:52 PM

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Since the server was reset, it was fixed automatically. I will try this again when a region freezes again. Normally this would never happen, but when the number of activities on the server started to increase, I started to think it was happening.

primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 12:52 PM

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Do not run CoreProtect on production

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 12:53 PM

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primal oyster Do not run CoreProtect on production

What do you mean by production

paper cairn Mar 16, 2024, 12:54 PM

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keen carbon What do you mean by production

I think he's saying coreprotect is experimentat and hence you shouldn't use it in production with real players.

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 12:56 PM

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I see, I think I'll uninstall that plugin tonight.

primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 1:10 PM

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paper cairn I think he's saying coreprotect is experimentat and hence you shouldn't use it i...

Not only that

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Extremely poor in performance

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Wayyy too many resources and worst practices as well

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no thread pools, raw thread creation

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new Thread every time

paper cairn Mar 16, 2024, 1:12 PM

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sounds terrible 💀

primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 1:12 PM

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look at the src

paper cairn Mar 16, 2024, 1:13 PM

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I don't really have time but sounds like they need to fix that

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 1:18 PM

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primal oyster Extremely poor in performance

Should I use an alternative for this? Because I am worried that the server will not save when the server crashes for any reason or there is a ddos attack. Should I use an alternative for this? Because I am worried that the server will not save when the server crashes for any reason or there is a ddos attack. Do you think the server will save without CoreProtect?

primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 1:30 PM

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Core protect saves the server?

paper cairn Mar 16, 2024, 1:39 PM

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primal oyster Core protect saves the server?

I think he's talking about fixing something thats broken?

split lichen Mar 16, 2024, 1:40 PM

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Hello everyone

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Im trying to install FAWE from this Website: https://hangar.papermc.io/IntellectualSites/FastAsyncWorldEdit and there is said that it Supports Folia but when i start the server its saying that folia is not set to true and no folder is generated right after starting the server

Hangar

FastAsyncWorldEdit | Hangar

Blazingly fast world manipulation for artists, builders and everyone else.

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any solution?

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https://ci.athion.net/job/FastAsyncWorldEdit/ FastAsyncWorldEdit-Bukkit-2.9.2-SNAPSHOT-679.jar

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 1:41 PM

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get a build of it that supports folia

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Like, they can say whatever they want on the site, what matters is the actual jar itself

split lichen Mar 16, 2024, 1:41 PM

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oh so ur not using like universal schedula or MorePaperLib?

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 1:41 PM

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what?

paper cairn Mar 16, 2024, 1:42 PM

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what?

split lichen Mar 16, 2024, 1:42 PM

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thought the latest will work for both

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 1:42 PM

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Those are libraries for plugins to use, they have nothing to do with us

paper cairn Mar 16, 2024, 1:42 PM

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split lichen oh so ur not using like universal schedula or MorePaperLib?

with folia, most plugins are dev builds. You have to actually compile the code yourself or check their github for releases.

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 1:42 PM

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it's 100% on plugins to make the changes needed for folia and to declare that they support folia in the jar

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those libraries exist to help plugins do that, they don't magically convert existing plugins however, and they're not things that we built into folia

split lichen Mar 16, 2024, 1:43 PM

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i was wondering cause its from your website saying its for folia and then the link to latest version

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 1:43 PM

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I mean, read the description

split lichen Mar 16, 2024, 1:43 PM

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thats on me then sorry

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 1:43 PM

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it's user generated content

split lichen Mar 16, 2024, 1:43 PM

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okay thanks!

viral stone Mar 16, 2024, 1:43 PM

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they have the answer in their resource description

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split lichen Mar 16, 2024, 1:44 PM

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yep, got it! thanks again! ^^

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 1:53 PM

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primal oyster Core protect saves the server?

Doesn't it fix things and save them?

primal oyster Mar 16, 2024, 1:54 PM

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thonk

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No idea what that's supposed to mean

split lichen Mar 16, 2024, 1:57 PM

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just for informations: FAWE is only supported for 1.19.4 of Folia said a Dev to me, if someone needs to know

finite hinge Mar 16, 2024, 5:44 PM

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keen carbon Doesn't it fix things and save them?

CoreProtect logs who changed what blocks and lets you undo changes a player made to blocks, it doesn't "fix things and save them" other than in the most abstract way

keen carbon Mar 16, 2024, 5:45 PM

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finite hinge CoreProtect logs who changed what blocks and lets you undo changes a player made...

Thank you

keen carbon Mar 17, 2024, 6:32 AM

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Hey

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Every time I spark I encounter this here and it worries me.

fair merlin Mar 17, 2024, 6:32 AM

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keen carbon Hey

Send a link to the spark report, not a screenshot.

keen carbon Mar 17, 2024, 6:33 AM

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Here is the spark link

fair merlin Mar 17, 2024, 6:33 AM

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We don't support offline mode.

keen carbon Mar 17, 2024, 6:33 AM

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I know but I have to use offline mode. Because players in my country play in offline mode

fair merlin Mar 17, 2024, 6:34 AM

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keen carbon I know but I have to use offline mode. Because players in my country play in off...

Sorry, but we don't support offline mode. You'll have to resolve any issues you have yourself.

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See rule #7 in #welcome

keen carbon Mar 17, 2024, 6:34 AM

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Okay thank you.

primal oyster Mar 17, 2024, 11:14 AM

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keen carbon Every time I spark I encounter this here and it worries me.

You really need to stop using folia

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Ur using shitty public plugins with beta to no support to it without any ability to code

keen carbon Mar 17, 2024, 2:32 PM

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primal oyster Ur using shitty public plugins with beta to no support to it without any ability...

I removed all plugins. This is not related to plugins, the problem still persists lol.

clear helm Mar 18, 2024, 8:03 AM

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When will Folia release its official version?

fair merlin Mar 18, 2024, 8:06 AM

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clear helm When will Folia release its official version?

We don't have ETAs for this sort of thing.

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Probably not for a while.

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Still stuff to fix/etc.

clear helm Mar 18, 2024, 8:08 AM

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fair merlin We don't have ETAs for this sort of thing.

Okay, thank you for your reply. I hope to use the 1.21 Folia in 25 years

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That must be a very good idea

fair merlin Mar 18, 2024, 8:10 AM

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What?

clear helm Mar 18, 2024, 8:10 AM

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I noticed that Folia hasn't been updated for a while now. I want to know what difficulties Folia is facing now?

fair merlin Mar 18, 2024, 8:11 AM

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A month isn't that long.

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I don't think there's a public list of things to do.

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You'd have to look at the repo, see the issues, read the documentation, etc etc

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It has some pretty specific uses so it isn't for everyone. Which means less servers running it and reporting bugs/etc.

clear helm Mar 18, 2024, 8:12 AM

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Sorry, my English is not very good. If there is any ambiguity, it may have affected you. I'm sorry, it was not my intention

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Okay, I roughly understand now. Thank you very much for your reply

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 9:01 AM

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when folia is get update?

arctic tapir Mar 18, 2024, 9:06 AM

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when someone commits something

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:34 AM

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how to compile folia?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:35 AM

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same steps as the paper readme, just clone the folia repo instead of the paper one

lofty magnet Mar 18, 2024, 11:35 AM

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same way as any other paper fork

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also TIL there are .bat files to help with that? xD

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:39 AM

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what to run?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:39 AM

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read the readme

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(for paper

lofty magnet Mar 18, 2024, 11:39 AM

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read the readme for building Paper

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:40 AM

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Clone this repo, run , then from your terminal.

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how?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:40 AM

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I mean, you run 2 commands in the command prompt

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(while in that folder

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shift right click -> open command propmt here; used to be a thing, idk if it still is

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 11:41 AM

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I can run folia like run-paper for idea?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:41 AM

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Yes

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 11:41 AM

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viral stone Yes

how?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:41 AM

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I'd imagine the exact same as with paper

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 11:41 AM

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run-folia? :0

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xyz.jpenilla.run-paper

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:42 AM

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you'd use the runPaper plugin, but it has a task for folia

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:42 AM

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viral stone shift right click -> open command propmt here; used to be a thing, idk if it sti...

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powershell

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?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:43 AM

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you failed at the first step

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 11:43 AM

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viral stone you'd use the runPaper plugin, but it has a task for folia

this is good

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:43 AM

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you need to clone the repo with git; and, outside of that, I can't really aid with windows

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 11:44 AM

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viral stone you'd use the runPaper plugin, but it has a task for folia

hm, I look at run-task on jpenilla and see only for watterfall, paper and velocity

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:45 AM

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viral stone you need to clone the repo with git; and, outside of that, I can't really aid wi...

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:45 AM

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twin spindle hm, I look at run-task on jpenilla and see only for watterfall, paper and veloci...

Yes, once again, the run-paper plugin has a runFolia task

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:48 AM

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open with github desktop?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:48 AM

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you need to clone the repo

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ideally somewhere onto the root of your C drive

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exactly how you do that is up to you; I cannot help you here

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:49 AM

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download ZIP?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:49 AM

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you cannot download the zip

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it will not work if you download the zip

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hence why I keep telling you to clone it

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:50 AM

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URL?

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 11:50 AM

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rotund vortex URL?

lol

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 11:50 AM

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I cannot help you

viral coral Mar 18, 2024, 11:50 AM

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with this translator we'll be here in 3 hours figuring out how to git clone something

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 11:51 AM

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ok, I just need updated my jpenilla run-paper

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:54 AM

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I clone

simple carbon Mar 18, 2024, 11:55 AM

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clone folia repo with git clone command
git clone https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia.git

also install git if the command isn't working
https://git-scm.com/downloads

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 11:57 AM

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what to do next?

lofty magnet Mar 18, 2024, 11:57 AM

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build it like you would Paper

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 12:05 PM

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rotund vortex what to do next?

your server run is offline-mode?

left gust Mar 18, 2024, 12:19 PM

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kekwhyper

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 12:30 PM

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twin spindle your server run is offline-mode?

no

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 12:31 PM

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rotund vortex no

yeees

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what I can use like as 'Runnable' if I has two parameters:

VanishManager.this.effectBatsCleanup(location.getWorld(), batty),
VanishManager.this.bats.removeAll(batty),

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 12:35 PM

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just use Runnable?

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 12:35 PM

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viral stone just use Runnable?

hmm, but how with another not as Runnable?

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 12:35 PM

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why?

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You want a Runnable, if you want extra params either just pass them through the lambda or make a class that extends Runnable

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 12:36 PM

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I clone the repo

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what to do next?

lofty magnet Mar 18, 2024, 12:37 PM

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the same thing you do with Paper

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 12:37 PM

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sorry, I going into another chat lol

inner swift Mar 18, 2024, 12:37 PM

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Follow the instructions in the Paper repo

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 12:49 PM

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help me!

arctic tapir Mar 18, 2024, 12:51 PM

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need java 11

viral stone Mar 18, 2024, 12:52 PM

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really want 17

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 12:52 PM

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17

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how to change it?

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 12:53 PM

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rotund vortex how to change it?

please use google

twin spindle Mar 18, 2024, 1:24 PM

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lol

left gust Mar 18, 2024, 1:25 PM

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rotund vortex help me!

Please don't use folia

rotund vortex Mar 18, 2024, 1:25 PM

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left gust Please don't use folia

?

left gust Mar 18, 2024, 1:26 PM

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rotund vortex ?

You don't know how to change the Java version, you don't know how to use Google, this fork is not for you, you will probably use public beta version plugins.

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so don't use it

thorny ivy Mar 18, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Does anyone here know a plugin for animating mob as MythicMobs that is compatible with Folia ?

inner swift Mar 18, 2024, 10:34 PM

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I'm about 95% sure it doesn't exist

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Could be annoying to port

icy path Mar 19, 2024, 4:05 AM

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are there docs for folia development?

tawdry gullBOT Mar 19, 2024, 4:05 AM

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Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

Folia will:

NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
NOT be merged into Paper
NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

prisma fulcrum Mar 19, 2024, 3:51 PM

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folia is a funny thing, i'm quite excited to see how this will look in a year or two

livid crag Mar 19, 2024, 7:59 PM

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You can already see it working on server like 2b2t and donutSMP @prisma fulcrum

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It is not going to be popular but you will see big network using it for especially survival gamemode as it’s made perfectly for that.

prisma fulcrum Mar 19, 2024, 8:00 PM

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I know a server which was using folia

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Silly gentlemen didn't configure it properly and made it so a single region controls all of them (or somethin like that)

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Safe to say it wasn't long till it crashed

livid crag Mar 19, 2024, 8:01 PM

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prisma fulcrum Silly gentlemen didn't configure it properly and made it so a single region cont...

That’s just Paper with more overhead pepela

prisma fulcrum Mar 19, 2024, 8:01 PM

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Thats paper but with 1/10 of the specs strength

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Or how many regions they originally had

storm robin Mar 20, 2024, 3:30 AM

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im getting the error for patchCraftBukkitPatches when i try to run applyPatches

fair merlin Mar 20, 2024, 3:31 AM

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storm robin im getting the error for patchCraftBukkitPatches when i try to run applyPatches

Post the full log,

tawdry gullBOT Mar 20, 2024, 3:34 AM

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Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

New · paste.gg

A sensible, modern pastebin. Share text and source code snippets with no hassle.

storm robin Mar 20, 2024, 3:36 AM

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should i run --debug?

fair merlin Mar 20, 2024, 3:36 AM

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Just paste the log here first

storm robin Mar 20, 2024, 3:36 AM

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paperweight-patcher v1.5.11 (running on 'Windows 10')

> Configure project :paper
paperweight-core v1.5.11 (running on 'Windows 10')

> Task :paper:patchCraftBukkit FAILED
> Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchCraftBukkit'.
> io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false apply --ignore-whitespace --directory=src/main/java 'C:\Users\Jared\Desktop\minecraft server\Folia\.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper\.gradle\caches\paperweight\taskCache\patchCraftBukkitPatches.zip-748887810\net\minecraft\world\level\storage\loot\predicates\LootItemConditionRandomChanceWithLooting.patch'

* Try:
> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
> Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
> Run with --scan to get full insights.
> Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.

You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.

For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.5/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.

BUILD FAILED in 55s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed```

fair merlin Mar 20, 2024, 3:38 AM

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Try a shorter path.

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Try cloning in like C:\ instead.

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Something with Windows and long pathnames is gurmpy with gradle sometimes.

storm robin Mar 20, 2024, 3:38 AM

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ok

storm robin Mar 20, 2024, 3:46 AM

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fair merlin Something with Windows and long pathnames is gurmpy with gradle sometimes.

tyvm its working so far

storm robin Mar 20, 2024, 4:07 AM

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should i just be running the jar file or should i do a specific batch file

tawdry gullBOT Mar 20, 2024, 4:09 AM

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https://docs.papermc.io/misc/tools/start-script-gen

Start Script Generator | PaperMC Docs

A Start Script Generator for PaperMC Projects

surreal oasis Mar 20, 2024, 5:01 PM

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are there docs on what needs to be done to properly support folia? For a plug-in I mean

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Also if I’m running an smp that previously spread out 3 worlds amoung bungee servers for performance, is it going to perform the same or better if I just use folia and amped up the cores available? (Assuming the plugins support it)

primal oyster Mar 20, 2024, 5:12 PM

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There's no factual answer for your question because Folia isn't made to replace "sharding" from what it seems that you're doing.

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There's mostly no documentation on what's necessary
folia-supported: true on plugin.yml is the first step,
then you'd better off testing every function to see what broke.

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Player spawner location don't get called, mostly no player teleport events as well.

viral stone Mar 20, 2024, 5:12 PM

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There is a scattering of documentation around

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the general expectation is that if you're dealing with folia at this stage you understand the implications of what it does without having pretty user oriented tutorials, etc

surreal oasis Mar 20, 2024, 5:16 PM

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primal oyster There's no factual answer for your question because Folia isn't made to replace ...

Hmm, I thought that was its main purpose? To get around Minecraft’s bottle neck of one thread to manage world chunks and entities etc?

surreal oasis Mar 20, 2024, 5:16 PM

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viral stone the general expectation is that if you're dealing with folia at this stage you u...

Oh okay thanks, I guess I’ll have to read abt what it does

viral stone Mar 20, 2024, 5:17 PM

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I mean, folia splits the world up into tickable regions, players have to be spread out enough for a region to be created around them

surreal oasis Mar 20, 2024, 5:18 PM

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Oh interesting. About how far apart / how big are the regions?

viral stone Mar 20, 2024, 5:18 PM

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900 blocks

surreal oasis Mar 20, 2024, 5:19 PM

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900 in a square? Or wide

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Like SA or diameter

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Uhh hold up, it says 16 cores are recommended. That’s kinda wild. If one were to use 4 cores is that just going to perform poorly?

viral stone Mar 20, 2024, 5:26 PM

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it will work on less

primal oyster Mar 20, 2024, 5:36 PM

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surreal oasis Hmm, I thought that was its main purpose? To get around Minecraft’s bottle neck ...

Yes, but that's why it said it really depends

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because if you're having the same people on the same coords, but spread out to 3 different servers, on 3 different servers it's similar as having "3 regions"

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but on Folia if they are on the same coords, everyone would be in 1 region, which would be similar to having a single spigot server handling all of those players

surreal oasis Mar 20, 2024, 5:38 PM

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Hmm but if they’re the same coords but on separate worlds, doesn’t folia tick them separately?

primal oyster Mar 20, 2024, 5:52 PM

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surreal oasis Hmm but if they’re the same coords but on separate worlds, doesn’t folia tick th...

worlds on different threads yes

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iirc that's it's behavior

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The thing you have to be careful for is resource-usage though.

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One thing is to have the same amounto f players spreado ut, your number of threads increases, ram usage will also be required, your GC might need tuning

surreal oasis Mar 20, 2024, 5:57 PM

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So what happens if u have 8 threads total and like a ton of ppl are on and spread out. It must like equally divide the regions on these threads?

inner swift Mar 20, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Folia will assign you 1 region thread due to the low amount of cpu threads, unless you manually modify it

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If you do, these regions will start ticking in separate threads, up to the number you set

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"Equally" is a strong word, as different regions have different amounts of load, sizes, etc

grave heron Mar 20, 2024, 7:12 PM

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viral stone 900 blocks

I thought the regions’ sizes changed depending on the players

neat dove Mar 20, 2024, 7:13 PM

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grave heron I thought the regions’ sizes changed depending on the players

It's more about the spread of the online players, not necessarily how many there are

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For example if you have 100 players all in one spot, it would be only one region. But if each players were grouped 50000 blocks apart, the different groups of players would be playing in different regions

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You cannot have multiple regions ticking the same chunks

grave heron Mar 20, 2024, 7:28 PM

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neat dove For example if you have 100 players all in one spot, it would be only one region...

wait so region sizes don’t ever change but rather the amount of regions?

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based off player spread

finite hinge Mar 20, 2024, 7:29 PM

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region sizes change, there is a minimum size for a region and if players are close enough their regions would overlap (or even get close to each other) the regions will merge so you'll have one larger region

grave heron Mar 20, 2024, 7:30 PM

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finite hinge region sizes change, there is a minimum size for a region and if players are clo...

ah okay then

finite hinge Mar 20, 2024, 7:30 PM

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100 players in a small world, one region that fills the entire world

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100 players spread more than 1500 blocks from each other? 100 minimum size regions

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The minimum is just something like a 600 block radius

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queen tusk Mar 21, 2024, 11:04 AM

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Greetings! Can you tell me if Folia is compatible with geysermc? I would like the server to be able to play from the mobile edition as well

viral stone Mar 21, 2024, 11:04 AM

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Folia does not care about geyser

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it would be on geyser to support folia

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afaik at the very least their standalone proxy will work if their plugin doesn't

queen tusk Mar 21, 2024, 11:17 AM

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Thanks

strange monolith Mar 21, 2024, 1:12 PM

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will my paper plugin work on folia?

viral coral Mar 21, 2024, 1:12 PM

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out of the box, no

strange monolith Mar 21, 2024, 1:12 PM

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viral coral out of the box, no

what do u mean

viral stone Mar 21, 2024, 1:13 PM

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plugins have to declare that they support folia

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they won't just work

viral coral Mar 21, 2024, 1:13 PM

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strange monolith what do u mean

https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia#plugin-compatibility

GitHub

GitHub - PaperMC/Folia: Fork of Paper which adds regionised multith...

Fork of Paper which adds regionised multithreading to the dedicated server. - PaperMC/Folia

sweet axle Mar 21, 2024, 3:30 PM

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queen tusk Greetings! Can you tell me if Folia is compatible with geysermc? I would like th...

It works tho

primal oyster Mar 21, 2024, 3:32 PM

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Don't run geyser server-side

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run standalone or run a proxy

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It's your best bet, including the fact you'll keep your backend "healthier"

muted glacier Mar 21, 2024, 4:50 PM

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How many players would the foila be able to hold the players at most?
How much maximum

lofty magnet Mar 21, 2024, 4:51 PM

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hard to say, depends ony our hardware and how they are spread probably

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and what they do

muted glacier Mar 21, 2024, 4:51 PM

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What hardware?

viral stone Mar 21, 2024, 4:52 PM

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what?

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the hardware you host folia on?

muted glacier Mar 21, 2024, 4:54 PM

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I don't understand what phoenix616 wrote above with this equipment, is it about my processor, etc.?

viral stone Mar 21, 2024, 4:54 PM

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Yes

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the hardware that you use to run a piece of software is going to impact how the software performs and what it can handle

muted glacier Mar 21, 2024, 4:55 PM

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Would the foila hold up to several hundred players or even thousands?

viral stone Mar 21, 2024, 4:56 PM

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May players on an instance I know of is like 1.5k

muted glacier Mar 21, 2024, 4:56 PM

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Okay

cosmic pawn Mar 21, 2024, 6:00 PM

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viral stone it will work on less

it will work on less than 4 cores? or do you mean it will work on less than 16 cores

cosmic pawn Mar 21, 2024, 6:01 PM

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viral stone May players on an instance I know of is like 1.5k

Fucking hell

viral stone Mar 21, 2024, 6:04 PM

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I mean, it will work on 1 core

timid grotto Mar 21, 2024, 6:05 PM

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the recommended specs are quite high because if you go too low, youd actually get better performance on paper. however folia will run on lower end hardware (1 core even), but the only time you should do that is for plugin development. folia on 1 core will run worse than paper

manic quarry Mar 22, 2024, 12:02 PM

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cosmic pawn it will work on less than 4 cores? or do you mean it will work on less than 16 c...

it will work on any amount of cores, it's just all the regions will be ticked by the same core defeating the whole point

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the absolute minimum I would give it is like 12

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16 is recommended

cosmic pawn Mar 22, 2024, 12:11 PM

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Has it been tested on cores ranging from 4-16?

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I have a machine with 16 cores anyway but just wondering how much performance you can get away with on lower cores

prisma fulcrum Mar 22, 2024, 12:13 PM

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If you can set the world to be split into as many regions as you want, wouldn't it be more beneficial to have a server grade cpu and lots of regions?

inner swift Mar 22, 2024, 12:17 PM

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cosmic pawn Has it been tested on cores ranging from 4-16?

There aren't public, rigorous Folia benchmarks for a wide variety of cases to my knowledge

inner swift Mar 22, 2024, 12:18 PM

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prisma fulcrum If you can set the world to be split into as many regions as you want, wouldn't ...

Well ... That has drawbacks

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You can only split regions as much as there are players spread out