I tried git clone https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/tree/dev/1.20
and it didn't work
#folia-help
prime juniper
bleak python
or once cloned regularly, git checkout dev/1.20
prime juniper
I think i'm dumb
bleak python
well I have no say in that :p
prime juniper
git clone -b dev/1.20 https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/tree/dev/1.20
git clone -b https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/tree/dev/1.20
None of these work
I am so bad at this lmao 💀
bleak python
git clone -b dev/1.20 https..../PaperMC/Folia
prime juniper
thanks 👌
I think the dev branch currently doesn't work
it just fails
`[giorkos@server Folia-Server-1.20]$ ./gradlew applyPatches > Task 
patchSpigotApi FAILED Committer identity unknown
*** Please tell me who you are.
Run
git config --global user.email "you@example.com"
git config --global user.name "Your Name"
to set your account's default identity.
Omit --global to set the identity only in this repository.
fatal: unable to auto-detect email address (got 'giorkos@server.(none)')
*** Please review above details and finish the apply then
*** save the changes with ./gradlew rebuildPatches
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchSpigotApi'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Failed to apply patches
- Try:
Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
- Get more help at https://help.gradle.org
BUILD FAILED in 5s`
fair merlin
I think the dev branch currently doesn't work
The solution to the error is right there in your message.
prime juniper
oh
I thought that was just a cookie-cutter response to builds
I didn't think it would actually do anything
sorry
half berry
Does anyone know how good Folia could handle many many players? What's the largest test that has been done for instance? We are going to use it on a vanilla world with an Amd Epyc 9554p and 384gb ram. Could something like this handle say 10.000 players (not minding internet)? 🙂
fair merlin
10,000 seems high but you could try
It’s going to depend on if you have any plugins and what people are doing, as always.
And how far spread out they are
half berry
Yeah a little far fetched. The server isn't up yet, but we are going to turn off many features like fire, waterspread etc, as well as reduce the render distance by a bit.
fair merlin
If you check the pins you’ll see we had the test server which had like 325 people on it without any issue
half berry
It’s going to depend on if you have any plugins and what people are doing, as al...
Building in creative. Each on their property (not flat world - normal generation). Spread out evenly in the center 100k x 100k something. Whatever is optimal for Folia😅 They are not going to move far from their base / property. We are developing a plugin for this. Pretty easy and light, and no game-altering. Only for managing plots, chat etc
prime juniper
Where should I post crashes?
https://mclo.gs/hdl0hJc
Someone tried teleporting far away and the server just died
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
real tendon
Reading this made me question why it said it would be ported to Fabric/Forge
Is there a port for that?!
viral stone
What?
livid crag
Read again I am pretty sure it says it will not…
real tendon
No I am asking why it was mentioned
real tendon
Is there a port for that?!
By this I mean does Paper already have a fork for Fabric and Forge
viral stone
Because people tend to see stuff like that and ask if it can be ported
golden mica
https://mclo.gs/hdl0hJc
Someone tried teleporting far away and the server just d...
may we get some similar problem i will creat a new issue in github, may you could paste in it
hoary pasture
is there any anti xray running on folia ?
fair merlin
Maddy how the heck did you ban them?
rare steppe
native ban
fair merlin
Ahh
pseudo ibex
Maddy how the heck did you ban them?
What happened?
fair merlin
What happened?
Don’t worry about it
prime juniper
may we get some similar problem i will creat a new issue in github, may you coul...
Have you done it?
Also is spark available for folia?
prime juniper
Ah ok
It's sad that it's unstable, because even with only one region it's really good
Mspt was 2.3 for me with 24 chunk view distance and 8 simulation distance
That means it should probably be able to handle the villages in my server
pseudo ibex
It's sad that it's unstable, because even with only one region it's really good
I think it is decently stable, but it is true you may encounter crashes
prime juniper
Unfortunately chunk loading was MUCH MUCH slower than fabric
golden mica
Have you done it?
You could see the issue in GitHub
prime juniper
But it was good enough
golden mica
I paste your problem
prime juniper
You could see the issue in GitHub
Link? I'm on mobile
pseudo ibex
But it was good enough
Yea I agree, but it depends on your hardware
prime juniper
Thanks
prime juniper
Yea I agree, but it depends on your hardware
I have top spec hardware
prime juniper
At least without going epyc
16 core 7950x, 64 GB Ddr5 5600mt/s ram and 1TB nvme ssd
pseudo ibex
16 core 7950x, 64 GB Ddr5 5600mt/s ram and 1TB nvme ssd
That looks like pretty good hardware
red lintel
I'm done building folia jar where can I find the jar?
is this it? which one do I use?
pseudo ibex
is this it? which one do I use?
That’s for 1.19.4
pseudo ibex
is this it? which one do I use?
I would think the bigger one. Are you using a virtual machine?
Like abunutu?
prime juniper
That looks like pretty good hardware
Yeah so I was kind of expecting chunk loading to be a lot faster considering there is apparently a reworked chunk loading system
I'll provide a comparison video
plain atlas
What is folia overhead (other words what will be difference between paper on 1 core and folia on 1 core)?
prime juniper
What is folia overhead (other words what will be difference between paper on 1 c...
It needs to manage all the regions. That takes some computation compared to just ticking everything normally
modest sphinx
im so sad because i have a lot of errors...
tawdry gullBOT
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tight halo
How to download folia?
arctic tapir
compile it yourself
tight halo
:v
arctic tapir
look at paper's readme
modest sphinx
i got this error how can i fix thiS????
Execution failed for task 'patchSpigotApi'.
arctic tapir
show the whole log
modest sphinx
show the whole log
reegun@DESKTOP-ALCOR6M:~/Folia$ ./gradlew applyPatches
Task
*** Please tell me who you are.
Run
git config --global user.email "you@example.com"
git config --global user.name "Your Name"
to set your account's default identity.
Omit --global to set the identity only in this repository.
fatal: empty ident name (for reegun@DESKTOP-ALCOR6M.localdomain) not allowed
*** Please review above details and finish the apply then
*** save the changes with ./gradlew rebuildPatches
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
Invalid Java installation found at '/usr/lib/jvm/openjdk-17' (Common Linux Locations). It will be re-checked in the next build. This might have performance impact if it keeps failing. Run the 'javaToolchains' task for more details.
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Execution failed for task 'patchSpigotApi'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Failed to apply patches
- Try:
Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
- Get more help at https://help.gradle.org
BUILD FAILED in 4s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed
modest sphinx
did you try reading it?
im sorry im not good at english so i can't understand
arctic tapir
it tells dyou what to do
modest sphinx
Run
git config --global user.email "you@example.com"
git config --global user.name "Your Name"
this?
arctic tapir
yes
modest sphinx
thanks
modest sphinx
Error: Unable to access jarfile folia
D:\folia test>pause```
how can i fix this????i used folia-bundler-1.20-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-reobf.jar file
folder name?
ok
thanks
sweet fox
do you ran any issues while running folia? i wanna try it
tight halo
you ran out of ram
:v i don't believe 3gb ram is not enough
How many gb of ram do you think is enough?
foggy blaze
Didn’t the paper test have like 2TB?
iirc they just wanted to make sure that RAM wasn’t the bottleneck, so they went all out
But like, if you’re worrying about cost, you shouldn’t be even considering Folia imo just cause of the nature of what it requires
red lintel
I would think the bigger one. Are you using a virtual machine?
Will be using in a dedicated hosting.
How do I download the 1.20 folia? When I clone the git I seem to get the 1.19.4
ocean geyser
How do I download the 1.20 folia? When I clone the git I seem to get the 1.19.4
Use --branch dev/1.20
red lintel
Found it ty.
hoary pasture
i have the problem that the regions always merge together how can i fix that
livid crag
i have the problem that the regions always merge together how can i fix that
you dont. It just means that the system deem it necessary to be together, let it be the two players are too close etc.
The region merge and sepreate when the regionizer deem necessary, that aspect is not configable if that's what you mean.
hoary pasture
The problem is that we previously had 10 regions and then all 10 regions were merged together and now the server is lagging
livid crag
First, figure out why they merged... 
livid crag
that's a very small area and I can see the player being too close for the region to merge.
You can refer back to this old message which kinda explain the seperation needed by leaf here #folia-help message
Your world is way too small for the Folia use tbh. @hoary pasture
bold osprey
7k × 7k is not enough for that many
pseudo ibex
Will be using in a dedicated hosting.
Hahaha I was referring to a virtual machine when compiling Folia
vestal gulch
I'm guessing that Aikar's flags are generally unfit for Folia
The best configuration is going to be hardware specific as well...
a guide for tuning would be cool at some point (not a rush since it doesn't even have a release channel so a big server kind of has no business using it)
fair merlin
I'm guessing that Aikar's flags are generally unfit for Folia
Aikar’s flags are fine
pseudo ibex
Are there statistics on how many servers are using Folia?
fair merlin
There’s a bstats page
pseudo ibex
https://bstats.org/plugin/server-implementation/Folia/18084
That’s actually quite a bit of servers
livid crag
That’s actually quite a bit of servers
you can actually tell exactly when "that" server is live by playercount 
fair merlin
Mostly test stuff yeah
crude moat
Hey just a quick question, what is the current status on Folia? is it production ready?
finite hinge
If you have or are a full time developer for your server then maybe
pseudo ibex
you can actually tell exactly when "that" server is live by playercount <:PepeLa...
Seeing how it’s all beta, it’s surprising to see how many servers have updated to 1.20
Presumably I’d think it is a even less stable version of Folia 1.19.4
It’s also interesting the giant spike in player count
From 76 to over 1k
livid crag
yeah that was a server launch 
pseudo ibex
Oh hahahhahaha 
pseudo ibex
yeah that was a server launch <a:Clue:1001457788335177848>
What server?
blazing bough
If I had to guess ... The 2b2t test server
pseudo ibex
If I had to guess ... The 2b2t test server
Is 2B2T still on Folia?
bold osprey
Is 2B2T still on Folia?
the test 3b3t server is still on folia
pseudo ibex
the test 3b3t server is still on folia
Oh they named it 3b3t??
bold osprey
it's the same domain name
just add test. before the name
and you'll be on the server with folia
red lintel
server specs?
livid crag
(his issue isnt server spece evne if below average)
his world setup is the issue that is not going to take benefit from using Folia. (his players are way too close)
tawdry nexus
Does velocity support folia?
jagged ether
Yes
prime juniper
24 CPU threads, will Folia work or is 32 absolute minimum
prime juniper
Ok 12 cores they said 16, I don't need over 100 people but they will be spread out pretty good
golden mica
arctic tapir
question?
golden mica
may low core could work well
i dont think you must have 16 core
13700k with no ecore could load 160+ player i test
kind narwhal
13700k with no ecore could load 160+ player i test
How much ram you allocated
austere tartan
2023-06-12 16:27:46,744 ServerMain ERROR Rewrite contains an invalid element or attribute "StacktraceDeobfuscatingRewritePolicy"
2023-06-12 16:27:46,745 ServerMain ERROR Rewrite contains an invalid element or attribute "ExtraClassInfoRewritePolicy"
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: io/papermc/paper/plugin/provider/source/ProviderSource
at net.minecraft.server.Main.main(Main.java:126)
at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main.main(Main.java:309)
at io.papermc.paperclip.Paperclip.lambda$main$0(Paperclip.java:42)
at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: io.papermc.paper.plugin.provider.source.ProviderSource
at java.base/java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:445)
at java.base/java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:587)
at java.base/java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:520)
... 4 more
An expected class org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler was not found for preloading: org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler
An expected class org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler$1 was not found for preloading: org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler$1
An expected class org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler$2 was not found for preloading: org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler$2
An expected class org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler$3 was not found for preloading: org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler$3
An expected class org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler$4 was not found for preloading: org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.scheduler.CraftScheduler$4
Been trying to compile Folia and I finally am able to do so but now I get this NoClassDefFoundError.
Followed the instructions for how to compile paper.
viral stone
I mean, your first error is cos of the log4j config
or, well, actually, those classes should be there
sounds like an issue with how you're reunning the thing
austere tartan
Same thing as running my spigot builds. Are there any extra steps?
austere tartan
I am assuming the paperclip jar correct?
viral stone
yes
fair merlin
13700k with no ecore could load 160+ player i test
You tested with players or bots?
viral stone
what java version?
austere tartan
17
austere tartan
openjdk version "17.0.7" 2023-04-18
OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-17.0.7+7 (build 17.0.7+7)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-17.0.7+7 (build 17.0.7+7, mixed mode, sharing)
viral stone
hm, no idea
golden mica
So many red stone and a lot of entities
viral stone
best guess is gonna be to do a clean build, make sure that you're not compiling in a onedrive folder or something weird
austere tartan
Alright
golden mica
1.20 fix the Chunk problem but when you teleport
Poi and entity will crash again
🥺
Issue #91 hope it could fixed soon
So that I could update 1.20 and enjoy Sakura
Where is rat king leaf 🥺🥺🥺
keen fable
let him cook
livid crag
@golden mica rat is awake but jmp did it 
stark salmon
Folia is stable to use in production?
keen fable
No
golden mica
may yes hahah
shut juniper
yesn't
livid crag
Folia is stable to use in production?
It’s getting there but there are already quiet a few brave servers running it
golden mica
may rat king still need fix
when they add check, another problem with neither was out
keen fable
i love that issue https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/94
server check for soulsand effect then crash whole server
tranquil epoch
i'll take a look
silver sierra
my pr only fixed one specific issue that didn't exist before 1.20
if they are fixed on latest they were probably fixed by other changes leaf did
golden mica
Got it
I will backup a ver to see #94
I don’t know may your pr fix #91 and cause #94
silver sierra
nah just before my pr #91 would trigger before #94 could in most cases
steep elbow
It’s getting there but there are already quiet a few brave servers running it
good thing there are brave servers, makes 100x faster to find critical bugs.
Weird how people are to against it.
tawny parcel
Hi! I am kind of newbie with Folia, can anyone help with to download it and install it? 😉
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fair merlin
Hi! I am kind of newbie with Folia, can anyone help with to download it and inst...
You have to build it. The instructions on the Paper repo will work for Folia
keen fable
it is just me or sometimes the respawn button does not work on Folia ? and when respawning the player keeps playing the dying animation for himself ?
idk how to reproduce tho
pseudo ibex
it is just me or sometimes the respawn button does not work on Folia ? and when ...
Hahah been there
keen fable
got it one time with the vanilla client 😇
pseudo ibex
got it one time with the vanilla client 😇
I used Optifine
livid crag
Feel free to open a report with as much details as you have (even if unreproducable reliably)
golden mica
🥺
fair merlin
#82 could be fixed?
Issues will get fixed when people get time for them. Please be patient and don’t ask in here about it if it hasn’t been too long. Folia hasn’t been out long enough for issues to be considered “stale”, and it’s explicitly marked in development for a reason.
golden mica
Thank you for your reply, I see the issue has passed for two weeks and has not been answered, so come and ask, sorry to bother
fair merlin
Yeah two weeks is nothing in terms of open source/dev time.
I wouldn’t get your hopes up for issues to get resolved quickly. Especially complicated one.
Leaf’s doing the best he can but he does have a life (probably)
tranquil epoch
unlikely to be resolved
the complexity required to abort a teleportation and the weird behavior of it is not acceptable
fair merlin
Oh is that the mob portal one?
bitter jasper
How do i allocate threads to Folia?
fair merlin
It’ll allocate threads itself.
soft ivy
Hello, do you know what it could be about?
soft ivy
Hello, do you know what it could be about?
I am unable to build the project.
arctic tapir
try doing it in the terminal
also click on the top "Folia: failed"
should show the proper logs
soft ivy
https://i.imgur.com/SytsuHJ.png
arctic tapir
try a clean applyPatches from terminal
soft ivy
try a clean applyPatches from terminal
soft ivy
soft ivy
try a clean applyPatches from terminal
will install gradle on my pc
soft ivy
I have 10 windows system, no linux
soft ivy
ok, thanks. I will install and let you know
ocean geyser
It take me only 6 min, think its okay.
soft ivy
It take me only 6 min, think its okay.
arctic tapir
templeos
tawdry gullBOT
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strange gazelle
just wanted to see this text, sorry for spam
inner swift
Folia will open is basically anything
Now whether it will run well, or better than Paper, it depends
Your setup is below the recommended minimum, that's really all I can say
finite hinge
I think you can get away with 12 cores if you pregen your world, the way Leaf got to 16 for the recommendation included cores dedicated to worldgen
Technically you could run it with 2 cores, it'll just run worse than Paper in almost every situation
The more cores you have the more likely it'll outperform Paper but that still depends on your server setup
How spread out players are and such
raven compass
Is there any fork of vault for follia?
ocean geyser
Is there any fork of vault for follia?
proper garden
does anyone know of a plugin that can make fire go out after a certain period of time. I have fire tick off because of fire spread but i still wanna have fire not stay forever because it gets very cluttered and annoying
fair merlin
For Folia? Probably not.
proper garden
meant to send this in paper 💀
pulsar palm
Excuse me if it's already handled.
We have our mobcaps set on a vanilla smp to this with Folia.
monsters: 20
animals: 5
water-animals: 2
water-ambient: 2
water-underground-creature: 3
axolotls: 3
ambient: 1`
This gives us next to no mobs. Any other people that have changed their mobcaps when they started using Folia and have better values?
pulsar palm
After further checking...hostile mobs are not spawning at all.
keen fable
Excuse me if it's already handled.
We have our mobcaps set on a vanilla smp to...
It's mob per region not mob per player. Raise this up and use /paper mobcaps
pulsar palm
It's mob per region not mob per player. Raise this up and use /paper mobcaps
Not that good on calculating what a nice mobcap can be, region is 32x32 chunks would I just do my old caps times the amount of chunks?
keen fable
Not that good on calculating what a nice mobcap can be, region is 32x32 chunks w...
Folia regions are not the same as minecraft regions, they are dynamic and depend on the size of the view distance. Try to increase those values
pulsar palm
Thx alot for the info. will do.
finite hinge
A region is at least 48x48 chunks but could be the entire world
pulsar palm
Atleast I don't feel crazy with those huge caps.
finite hinge
Unless your players are really spread out and tend to be loners or form small groups (that are also really spread out) you aren't going to have many regions
I'm not sure if the mob cap is per-region though
I wouldn't be surprised if Folia just forces on the per-player-mob-spawning flag so it doesn't have to deal with global state
But I suppose making them per-region would solve that too
pulsar palm
viral stone
the way the mob cap stuff is calculated is arse
generally, check the values that the commands show and tweak as needed, generally
pulsar palm
For me it seems like it was purely done to revert the playercaps.
finite hinge
Huh, well I guess if you're already doing it per-region the per-player stuff is just a complication
viral stone
just, it kinda sucks, and so we kept our patch which makes it go harder
pulsar palm
Put mobcap to an absolute high..like 10k. still getting 1 or 2 zombies during night. No they're not in caves.
fair merlin
Not that I know of, but you really do not want to reload plugins. Not on Folia or Paper.
finite hinge
I suspect Folia would be even more likely to have issues with unloading plugins while the server is running
fair merlin
Yeah
pulsar palm
Output of /paper playermobcaps
pulsar palm
Mate thats not possible
livid crag
Does it say unknown commend?
pulsar palm
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/598242608753672193/1119217655749025802/...
broken? disabled
livid crag
I think I know what it is now
pulsar palm
look at the message i answered
livid crag
Yeah
pulsar palm
livid crag
So likely nothing you can do about it unless the region you resign in has no other players
Vanilla gameplay go brrrrrrr
pulsar palm
Sigh. Not to hurt anyone, but with a release for vanilla servers this is like a big thing it needs.. especially for servers that have mob farms going
Will it stay this way?
viral stone
I mean
probably
Like, mob spawning in vanilla is broken as all shit
The ideal solution is that somebody rewrites mob spawning to not be shit
but, ofc, at least until we got new build tooling, that was 100% impossible
fair merlin
It’s also still development software, which we explicitly state. There’s a bunch of stuff that is broken, missing, and still being worked on. It’s also not intended to be a direct replacement for Paper.
livid crag
Yeah that’s indeed the real vanilla gameplay
pulsar palm
yeah no ofcourse, i get you on that
viral stone
now, there is a chance of it, but, idk if somebody will care to figure out a proper design and invest the time into replacing mob spawning
livid crag
Perhaps if you want, open a feature request and let it sit on folia. Leaf will close it if he doesn’t think it’s doable. 
pulsar palm
Someone did that
pulsar palm
It’s also still development software, which we explicitly state. There’s a bunch...
I'm not trying to put it in bad eyesight, but on the site too..specifically for Skyblocks and SMPs, those servers are quit depended on those playermobcaps to work for everyone.
That's fine guys. Thanks for the answers. It is what it is
viral stone
the issue is that per player mobcap is a hack over the existing spawn logic
finite hinge
I would have thought Folia's logic would at least be per-region though
Since global state is a PITA
viral stone
best approach for folia as a quick fix will probably be to modify it so that it's bound to the region a bit better is my understanding
finite hinge
So maybe you aren't spreading people out enough
viral stone
does the mobcap command show per region info?
tranquil epoch
it will be for the region of the executor
finite hinge
Sure so within that region you still have the broken vanilla spawning
pulsar palm
This is all the output we receive, dont watch the over the top mob cap, only for temporary purposes
finite hinge
But if you're spreading your skyblock players out so they each get a region that should be the same as per-player caps
tranquil epoch
there is a vanilla limit on the chunk density i think
viral stone
big thing is generally going to be to ensure that you have viable spaces for mobs
check the lighting level, etc
tranquil epoch
is this skyblock?
pulsar palm
no smp
tranquil epoch
@livid crag can you be the you know what for once and test this out for me?
livid crag
Can you provide your mobcap value. One you either put in bukkit.yml or overwrite in paper-world.yml
pulsar palm
I already stated that earlier mate. But here a screenshot for reference
livid crag
time to download some folia 
pulsar palm
I literally kept putting it up until it showed results. This is just temporarily set to get results
livid crag
<@177150983258767360> can you be the you know what for once and test this out fo...
The logic is working as how I'd expected it to work. First mobcap is when 2 account is close, 2nd one is when I move a few blocks away as more spawnable chunk grows so does mob allowed.
so really, to improve it, really meant to break how Vanilla usually operates.
tranquil epoch
what about setting very high limits
livid crag
oh that's just mod density for sure but let me test.
logic is still correct to me. I do believe that's due to mob density.
fair merlin
I’m development you want reproducible behavior so you aren’t introducing false bugs or stuff. Which is exactly what reloading is going to do.
livid crag
pulsar palm
logic is still correct to me. I do believe that's due to mob density.
nice
tranquil epoch
it seems like it is strict on 70 for some reason
I will double check this behavior locally
livid crag
that's on you
atleast the spawnable chunk logic there looks correct
on a sidenote, this looks pretty funny
pulsar palm
Yeah haha
pulsar palm
btw.. dont know if it cares too much but our server is on 1.20
livid crag
I dont think the rat touches it I just use whatever I had can try later
upbeat hound
The website says having a minimum of 16 physical cores is recommended to fully benefit from Folia, but I'm guessing this is for large servers? What if I have a server with only 10 ish people at peak. Will I see any viable benefits from 6/8/12/16 cores?
hexed ice
with 10 people on a server you should just use paper
upbeat hound
Cheers
tawdry gullBOT
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prime juniper
who can help with this?
arctic tapir
what command did you do
prime juniper
i tried to use gradlew build but when i use ./gradlew applyPatches or ./gradlew createReobfBundlerJar it gives me build error
arctic tapir
first do apply patches
then createReobfBundlerJar
then look in the root build/libs directory
steep elbow
i tried to use gradlew build but when i use ./gradlew applyPatches or ./gradlew ...
there is/was a bug where the first build gave error and second didnt
try giving it a couple of tries
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bold osprey
i tried to use gradlew build but when i use ./gradlew applyPatches or ./gradlew ...
did you configure your email and name into git?
prime juniper
did you configure your email and name into git?
yeah
> Task :paper:patchCraftBukkit FAILED
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FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
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plain shuttle
is there a way to reduce the number of chunks that are in a region?
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plain shuttle
and how many chunks are in one region?
timid grotto
afaik there is no set number of chunks per region
regions grow and shrink with what areas of the world they have loaded, and regions will merge if they get too close to each other
there has to be enough unloaded space between loaded areas for them to actually become two separate regions anyways
plain shuttle
okey
bold osprey
is there a way to reduce the number of chunks that are in a region?
you can try to achieve that by reducing view and simulation distance
finite hinge
No, you really won't make a difference
iirc maybe a view distance of 2 would reduce it a little
finite hinge
and how many chunks are in one region?
at least 96x96
plain shuttle
okey
and i think i found a bug
when you sleep in a bed and die you will not spawn at your bed
upper kindle
anyone can help?
upper kindle
nah, im using rtp
upper kindle
thanks for the advice, anything else?
i9 9900k, 128GB RAM and 2TB nvme sdd how many players can play in one server? with folia 
inner swift
Might as well just use Paper with that hardware
The recommended minimum for folia is 16 physical cores, that CPU has 8
finite hinge
I might, it might still be an improvement
But only if you move your players further apart
Like 1500 blocks+ from each other
Or in groups that are all 1500+ from each other
upper kindle
Or in groups that are all 1500+ from each other
kk thanks i'll try
prime juniper
How do I make a Folia Build?
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
fair merlin
How do I make a Folia Build?
Follow the instructions on the Paper repo to build.
halcyon crown
i don't understand how to install folia (i'm new to minecraft server installation)
jagged ether
Then Folia is definitely not made for you at this time
halcyon crown
what would you recommend for a scalable vanilla/plugin server and what is optimized?
arctic tapir
Paper
halcyon crown
and is there a map pre-generation plugin?
hexed ice
chunky
uneven trench
I have a couple of questions
do you recommend using viaversion and viabackwards to allow more versions on your folia server?
And my other question, has anyone installed geyser and floodgate and did it go well? because I tried to install it and when you enter folia from bedrock there is too much lag, you can't even move.
fair merlin
Not sure if anyone got geyser working
keen fable
Geyser works fine for me
pallid plume
keep getting this error when running the server jar
Error: Unable to initialize main class org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main
Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: joptsimple/OptionException
fair merlin
keep getting this error when running the server jar
Error: Unable to initialize...
Kinda need the actual log
tacit tartan
ngl if it's folia, sounds like a compilation error
fair merlin
ther isnt one
What are you doing when you get the error?
Like walk me through the steps you're taking
pallid plume
i had just finished building the server jar (probably the issue) then set up my run.bat and ran the server
fair merlin
Then yeah you probably didn't build it correctly.
pallid plume
ok i will do more digging
finite hinge
I think you get that if you run the base jar instead of the bundler one
You need the bundler or paperclip jars
pallid plume
ah i see
finite hinge
iirc it's in build/libs
pallid plume
thank you i was using the base jar
finite hinge
Mojang switched to a jar(s)-in-jar thing instead of just shading all their dependencies
pallid plume
thank you
strange gazelle
Anyone have an idea if there's a compatible plugin with folia that restores skin functionality? For a server that allows cracked clients to join
strange gazelle
I kinda do. Not all my friends have minecraft purchased\
wicked mantle
Should be a good friend and buy it for them :D
strange gazelle
Should be a good friend and buy it for them :D
I would, but I don't have money for 5 copies 🙂
finite hinge
There are situations I'm sympathetic to but it's easier to have a blanket rule and not having a blanket rule would be a violation of Discord's ToS
strange gazelle
fair enough, I get you
prime juniper
hey how can i build Folia?
fair merlin
hey how can i build Folia?
Follow the instructions on the Paper repo.
Folia's a fork of Paper so the instructions are the same.
prime juniper
thanks
fair merlin
\m/
real tendon
I've been trying to compile a folia build for dev testing plugin compatibility for my plugin. Unfortunately I'm having a few errors that I am unsure how to fix. Is there a dev build somewhere I can use for like 30 min of testing my plugin?
fair merlin
I've been trying to compile a folia build for dev testing plugin compatibility f...
Nope, need to build it yourself.
real tendon
Crud
Ok thx
I will try and get it working
Um
Actually
I got one to work like 2 seconds ago
Except it's 1KB...........
I don't think that's right XD
finite hinge
Clone git repo, ./gradlew applyPatches, ./gradlew createReobfBundlerJar
So long as you have git configured and aren't on Windows it's that simple
fierce knotBOT
Ya it's just this file
MANIFEST.MF by @real tendon: https://pastes.dev/5HBluqbClD
finite hinge
If you're on Windows make sure you put it in a location with a short path (C:\Folia for example), make sure OneDrive, DropBox, etc aren't trying to sync that directory, and you may also have to make sure your anti-virus isn't scanning that directory
Usually just the short path is enough to get it going
Alternatively setup WSL2 and built it in there, you can probably install WSL2, install a Linux distro in it, and build Folia faster than you can build it on Windows 😄
open raptor
Can folia be compiled ?
fair merlin
Can folia be compiled ?
Yes. Follow the instructions on the Paper repo.
Folia's a fork of Paper so the instructions are the same.
obtuse wyvern
/bossbar disabled in folia? whatfor
finite hinge
Global state is hard
obtuse wyvern
unlucky
ivory dust
how do I compile coreprotect
I cant find the docs
I see pom.xml so do I clone and mvn clean install
arctic tapir
wrong channel
ivory dust
wrong channel
dev channel?
daring nimbus
Core protect support discord, probably
ocean geyser
how do I compile coreprotect
fierce knotBOT
message.txt by @ocean geyser: https://pastes.dev/g87BR2J3cy
ocean geyser
set project.branch to development and run maven install
strange gazelle
Any ideas why bedrock players are lagging on my server? I'm using folia 1.20.1 and geyser. Java players work fine, but bedrock players cant see the chat and can barely place blocks. It says that geyser is supported on folia, so what could be the issue?
hexed ice
you should go to the geyser discord since that sounds like a geyser issue, especially if players on java don't experience any problems
wide ginkgo
Any ideas why bedrock players are lagging on my server? I'm using folia 1.20.1 a...
Sounds like a connection issue.
golden remnant
hey we have 150 players in the server but the tps only has about 3-5 so laggy, does anyone know how to fix it?
deep pond
or increase the amount of regions if that is too low
lofty magnet
153 players in one region 😅
deep pond
oh yeah they are all in 1 region
golden remnant
how to increase the region manually
lofty magnet
spread the players out more
deep pond
uhh i forgor give me a second
in paper-global.yml you can change the max amount of threaded regions... which isn't gonna do everyone if all the players are next to each other.
Another question: how the frick did you get 10000 entities??
lofty magnet
10k entities isn't really that unrealistic
deep pond
for one region?
deep pond
How did that even happen? That should spread across multiple regions right?
lofty magnet
the players might even be spread out pretty far overall, but they could still end up being close enough to build one large region 👀
they can only spread accross multiple regions if they are far enough apart
deep pond
so... uhh 30675 chunks in one region seems a bit unrealistic then
lofty magnet
that's only 200 chunks per player
you get more chunks loaded per player with a view distance of 7
deep pond
huh i guess i really got my expectations too low
lofty magnet
the default view distance of 10 causes 441 chunks to get loaded around a player
deep pond
and that's only like 70 players if spread out (to reach the 30k)
lofty magnet
but I'm not sure how the view distance factors into the region building/merging
lowering might change stuff but it still depends on the positioning
lofty magnet
the correct solution is to spread the players more
lofty magnet
well if you evenly distribute them and the radius isn't big enough then there is a very high chance for the regions to merge into one large one lol
inner swift
150 players in a 6k radius way too small of a spread
little cedar
but the player has been dispersed to 6k blocks
We are organizing an social experience and the map size is 6k
Is it possible to solve the problem of only having one region in server
It might shouldn't be working this way
lofty magnet
I'm not sure what you are asking for
folia is a tool which helps spread load with tons of players in different regions on a large map
it's not the right tool for "lots of players in a very small area"
little cedar
I understand now, thank you for your answer
unkempt aurora
It might shouldn't be working this way
Could you send me whole screenshot please?
finite hinge
Lowering the view distance will not lower the region size
Players have to be more than 48 chunks from each other to have a chance to be in different regions
You need everyone really spaced out to get regions
little cedar
Could you send me whole screenshot please?
wicked mantle
Yeah you need a map of like 100k to make it work well 
little cedar
Lowering the view distance will not lower the region size
Does that mean if I make the view-distance larger will allow players to be better distributed to different regions?
lofty magnet
wat
finite hinge
No, view-distance doesn't matter if you keep it to sane ranges
You'd need a view-distance of 1 or 2 to have a chance to make regions smaller (but I think things just explode instead) and a view-distance of like 25 to make regions larger
You don't want regions to be larger
Actually you'd need a view-distance of 20 to make larger regions iirc
So as long as you're below 20 you're getting the smallest regions you can get but regions that are close merge so you can end up with one massive region
To fix that you need to spread people out more
little cedar
I just misunderstood, now I understand clearly, thank you👍
somber zinc
Hey, I'm running a folia server and for some reason it takes ~30GB of ram, what server arguments should I use ?
I have a dedicated server from Hetzner with
Ryzen 7 3700X
64GB DDR4 RAM
2x1TB NVMe RAID 0
btw I'm using linear with compression instead of anvil for the worlds
lofty magnet
I mean java will be using as much memory as you give it
unkempt aurora
thanks
lofty magnet
it's your job to decide what is the correct amount
somber zinc
I mean java will be using as much memory as you give it
hmm I run it without GC 
it spiked from 10GB to 30GB in just seconds btw
lofty magnet
what do you mean by "run it without GC"?
arctic tapir
why
somber zinc
cause I don't remember how to use GC to be honest
lofty magnet
wat
arctic tapir
it runs with a gc by default..?
lofty magnet
the jvm includes the G1GC by default, turning it off requires a considerable amount of intent
somber zinc
I mean to set the start-up arguments to be more "efficient" sorry I can't describe it better I haven't slept for 2 days and I'm starting to imagine dragons
lofty magnet
ok, so what exactly is your issue here?
livid crag
I mean to set the start-up arguments to be more "efficient" sorry I can't descri...
You should get some sleep or get professional help if you are unable, we will continue to help you when you are more well.
uneven trench
No, view-distance doesn't matter if you keep it to sane ranges
would the optimization guide made by paperchan work the same in folia?
finite hinge
Sure, assuming you can't get enough regions or have some that could use more help
The first answer for Folia is to get more regions (aka throw more hardware at it)
steep elbow
Lets say i had survival server open with 200 players.
folia wants players to be spread out, so basicly if they all joined to spawn would the server crash or?
finite hinge
It would run a little worse than Paper with 200 players
steep elbow
okay thanks
uneven trench
maybe it would not crash but there would be lag in the spawn region, is what I understand
steep elbow
Trying to think of different circumstances for a server incase i ever run it, like doing events would be big no no on folia if all players would be in same area
uneven cloak
how often does folia unload chunks ? i have loaded some chunks and my ram is now at 30gb for some time now
steep elbow
So would gotta change basic server designs a bit
steep elbow
how often does folia unload chunks ? i have loaded some chunks and my ram is now...
that are ur startup flags?
uneven trench
So would gotta change basic server designs a bit
yeah, i see
uneven cloak
that are ur startup flags?
java -Xms128M -XX:MaxRAMPercentage=95.0 -Dterminal.jline=false -Dterminal.ansi=true -jar server.jar
pterodactyl
lofty magnet
you realise that java will use as much memory as you give it right?
steep elbow
```java -Xms128M -XX:MaxRAMPercentage=95.0 -Dterminal.jline=false -Dterminal.ans...
hmm no idea then, i was expecting -Xms to be maxed out
steep elbow
you realise that java will use as much memory as you give it right?
that depends on the startup flags & setup
but its recommended to have ram maxed out to gain more peformance
lofty magnet
well, flags might tune the behaviour but the general goal (especialls of G1GC) is to not garbage collect if it's not necessary
sturdy moon
Is it worth having Folia on server that will have ~200+ players and will be focused on having lots of pvp minigames that will have their own worlds ? Right now we have survival server that can only hold 30 players at 20 TPS and with more players TPS is getting worse and we expect lot of players in future
viral stone
I mean, it will separate stuff up into regions and stuff
But, only 30 players suggests you have deeper issues
warm rune
what if i want to use it for 1000^3 tnt explosions?
viral stone
I mean, that would just all be in a single region
A single region will perform slower than paper on its own
warm rune
hmm tnt spreads to other chunks but it doesnt count i guess
finite hinge
Is it worth having Folia on server that will have ~200+ players and will be focu...
Folia does not support loading and unloading worlds while the server is running
But otherwise you get at least one region per world
warm rune
wait whats region isnt that mean chunk?
viral stone
No
finite hinge
Region in this case means thread, sort of
warm rune
i thought folia works each chunk parallelism
finite hinge
Technically regions are mapped to threads so you can have 6 region threads but 200 regions and they just share
viral stone
It works by splittinf the world into dynamically defined regions
finite hinge
Nope, it's at least 48x48 chunk regions
warm rune
oo i see
sturdy moon
Folia does not support loading and unloading worlds while the server is running
I read that somewhere today but with fact that I plan to make that one minigame = one world so it wouldn't even matter
warm rune
1536 distance
finite hinge
If two players are within 48 chunks of each other their regions will overlap and get merged into one bigger region
warm rune
will folia implement lesser chunks like 256distance(16chunk) or sth are there any plan for it?
viral stone
Regions are kinda large because of how the chunk system in Minecraft works
finite hinge
This is a bit off since a player isn't the size of the chunk and there are various reasons a region might be larger
viral stone
You can't really make the regions too much smaller than that
finite hinge
You could in theory make them like 64x64 chunks but that would increase locking overhead so might be a loss overall
Making them smaller than 48x48 isn't likely due to how MC's chunk tickets work
warm rune
i just want to try biggest tnt explosion world record
as content also it can be tnt explosive server
but no hope i guess
viral stone
Spigot already limits how much tnt will explode each tick
warm rune
100 as default i know
viral stone
Most of the lag from tnt these days is all the entities moving around
viral stone
It's thousands of entities ticking
warm rune
well do u have any recommendation for this purpose? Cpu usage is %25 while explosions happens i think its single threaded
geekbench6 score about 8000
finite hinge
Folia won't get you multithreaded explosions, it'll just let me play at full speed while you kill your part of the world 10,000 blocks away 😄
lofty magnet
just have 100 players far from each other each blow up 1000 tnt. instant 100k tnt on one minecraft server record!
keen fable
it is just me or sometimes the respawn button does not work on Folia ? and when ...
https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/pull/98
if we don't remove the player, death will be broadcasted every tick that's why the respawn button is not working / the death animation keeps playing
tight halo
Help me
Run
git config --global user.email "you@example.com"
git config --global user.name "Your Name"
to set your account's default identity.
Omit --global to set the identity only in this repository.
fatal: unable to auto-detect email address (got 'u0_a559@localhost.(none)')
*** Please review above details and finish the apply then
*** save the changes with `./gradlew rebuildPatches`
> Task :paper:patchSpigotApi FAILED
> Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchSpigotApi'.
> io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Failed to apply patches
* Try:
> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
> Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
> Run with --scan to get full insights.
* Get more help at https://help.gradle.org
BUILD FAILED in 3m 53s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed```The first few lines of the error message tell you what to do
tight halo
Ok
ocean geyser
Can anyone tell me what happen? build on windows only take 6 min
It did run, but very slow
bold osprey
use wsl, it would be faster in a simulation of linux than in Windows itself
ocean geyser
You know that is wsl?
bold osprey
oh, that is already wsl?
ocean geyser
Bruh see line 2 -> PS C:\Users\paul> wsl
bold osprey
yeah, missed that
so wsl is slower than windows? that's pretty strange
maybe your cpu is old?
ocean geyser
no 13700k
bold osprey
do you have high Ethernet speed?
ocean geyser
over 1G
bold osprey
hmmmm
half vault
its WSL but he is still on the windows file system
bold osprey
seems like wsl 2 is a lot worse than wsl 1 when comparing working with files
bold osprey
Something go wrong
https://stackoverflow.com/a/76085041
can you try this?
ocean geyser
https://stackoverflow.com/a/76085041
can you try this?
It's take 42s now. thx
half vault
i did point this out
iron finch
how to download folia?
iron finch
You have to build it yourself
well i downloaded using git clone
ran install.bat - build successful
ran jar.bat BUILD FAILED - In plugin 'io.papermc.paperweight.patcher' type 'io.papermc.paperweight.tasks.CreateBundlerJar' property 'vanillaBundlerJar' doesn't have a configured value.
ran patch.bat BUILD FAILED > Task patchSpigotApi FAILED Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.
bold osprey
i thought there is already a link to that
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper#how-to-compiling-jar-from-source
bold osprey
well i downloaded using git clone
ran install.bat - build successful
ran jar.b...
you need to do the same from the paper guide, but for folia
iron finch
you need to do the same from the paper guide, but for folia
thanks sensei
iron finch
you need to do the same from the paper guide, but for folia
./gradlew applyPatches
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Execution failed for task 'patchSpigotApi'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Failed to apply patches
./gradlew createReobfBundlerJar
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Some problems were found with the configuration of task ':createReobfBundlerJar' (type 'CreateBundlerJar').- In plugin 'io.papermc.paperweight.patcher' type 'io.papermc.paperweight.tasks.CreateBundlerJar' property 'serverLibrariesList' doesn't have a configured value.
repo is cloned using git clone
on ubuntu 22 WSL
viral stone
Can anyone tell me what happen? build on windows only take 6 min
Don't cross the FS boundary
royal swallow
Does Folia support 1.20.1? Yes/no?
wicked mantle
Yes
pseudo ibex
Oh ge, I would think a plugin could do this
steep elbow
Good idea
keen fable
is there something like spark for folia 1.20 ?
strange gazelle
Can someone help me a bit with folia's API calls? I can't seem to get them working..
distant pasture
wdym?
strange gazelle
I'm trying to develop a plugin for folia that simply shuts down the server at a specified time. The plugin works on paper, but not on folia. Of course, this was to be expected, as folia changes a lot. I need to reconfigure the plugin in order for it to work with folia.
distant pasture
is there something like spark for folia 1.20 ?
They've got a folia branch https://github.com/lucko/spark/tree/feat/folia - you might take a look at it
keen fable
They've got a folia branch https://github.com/lucko/spark/tree/feat/folia - you ...
It doesn't work for 1.20 & i'm too lazy to fix it
finite hinge
Huh, does spark not work for 1.20 paper either or if there something specific to folia that changed?
Because they don't appear to have done anything for 1.20 yet other than for fabric
wicked mantle
Spark works on 1.20 for Paper.
finite hinge
I checked out that branch, rebased on top of master, updated the userdev dependency to 1.20.1, and am doing a build
I wonder if that'll be enough to fix it
Unfortunately building it this way builds like 8 versions of it for fabric, forge, multiple sponge vesions, etc so it might be a while before I even know if it compiles 😄
Ah, apparently you can't build with java 20...
keen fable
Spark works on 1.20 for Paper.
Spark uses v1_19_R3.Craftworld, you should change the import & build again
wicked mantle
Why you pinging me 
keen fable
wicked mantle
I already know spark works for paper 1.20 because I just saw a spark report in #paper-help for 1.20.1
finite hinge
In 20 years when IDEA finishes processing it I'll try again 😛
But yeah it's probably just a matter of fixing imports
This was all I needed to make it compile, no idea if it works: ```diff
diff --git a/spark-bukkit/build.gradle b/spark-bukkit/build.gradle
index 28208fd..58c50c4 100644
--- a/spark-bukkit/build.gradle
+++ b/spark-bukkit/build.gradle
@@ -10,7 +10,7 @@ tasks.withType(JavaCompile) {
dependencies {
implementation project(':spark-common')
implementation 'net.kyori:adventure-platform-bukkit:4.2.0'
- paperweight.devBundle("dev.folia", "1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
-
paperweight.devBundle("dev.folia", "1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
// placeholders
compileOnly 'me.clip:placeholderapi:2.10.3'
diff --git a/spark-bukkit/src/main/java/me/lucko/spark/bukkit/folia/FoliaTickStatistics.java b/spark-bukkit/src/main/java/me/lucko/spark/bukkit/folia/FoliaTickStatistics.java
index 483e467..1963d7f 100644
--- a/spark-bukkit/src/main/java/me/lucko/spark/bukkit/folia/FoliaTickStatistics.java
+++ b/spark-bukkit/src/main/java/me/lucko/spark/bukkit/folia/FoliaTickStatistics.java
@@ -28,7 +28,7 @@ import me.lucko.spark.common.monitor.tick.TickStatistics;
import org.bukkit.Server;
import org.bukkit.World;
-import org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_19_R3.CraftWorld;
+import org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R1.CraftWorld;
import io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.ThreadedRegionizer;
import io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.ThreadedRegionizer.ThreadedRegion;
yea i finally compiled it with this
https://github.com/kugge/spark/commit/8a90389c1f58e46311ba9a2f35e7be1eceec378b
and the profiler works like the 1.19.4 version 🫡
vocal shuttle
is folia stable and bug-free enough yet for a public server?
50 players range but basically vanilla settings
foggy blaze
no it's not
hexed ice
paper is more than enough for 50 players
vocal shuttle
paper is more than enough for 50 players
not for what we want
normal mob cap and high simulation distance
livid crag
normal mob cap and high simulation distance
Paper is still enough
lofty magnet
@vocal shuttle that is not the use-case for folia though?
vocal shuttle
why not though? every player has his own base away from each other with 14 threads to spare from the 16
lofty magnet
well I guess that works if you have a very large map
vocal shuttle
it is an smp and the map isn't too big but big enough for regions to not merge by a big margin
vocal shuttle
exactly 10k right now
livid crag
Yeah Folia is not gonna work for you
lofty magnet
ifoli, new fork? Pogchamp
lethal igloo
lofty magnet
just store the last time it was executed? or use a cache which auto-invalidates values after 5 minutes
hardy smelt
Quick question if anyone knows: is the world file transferable to a paper server?
I'm assuming yes
livid crag
No format is changed so yes
hardy smelt
Ty
finite hinge
exactly 10k right now
If players are within 48 chunks of each other their regions merge (it can merge from further out sometimes too). If player A is 40 chunks from player B is 40 chunks from player C they're all in a single region even though A and C are 2000 blocks from each other. You need people to be really spread out
Or at least grouped together in small really spread out groups
tight halo
Help me
fierce knotBOT
Help me
latest.log by @tight halo: https://pastes.dev/uyiXO406Am
fair merlin
Help me
That’s a Viaversion error
Looks like a config is broken or something
If you aren’t able to read the logs to diagnose and troubleshoot plugin issues then you might not want to be running Folia yet.
tight halo
:v
finite hinge
The ViaVersion issue isn't why the server dies though, that's because your world is corrupted
Oh, no, that also isn't what appears to be killing it, there is even more in the log
I think you have a bad config file for ViaVerison, world corruption, and you may have built a mojmap jar instead of an obfuscated one. Either that or the geyser and floodgate you have don't actually support folia and someone just edited the plugin.yml to make them pretend to do so
tight halo
Hmm, I will check it again. But I think the possibility of geyser and floodgate not supporting is very low. Since I checked in plugin.yml there is folia-supported: true
viral stone
Somehing went wrong with the plugin, it's tryna use versioned classes when they no longer exist
elder portal
Hmm, I will check it again. But I think the possibility of geyser and floodgate ...
As Amaranth said, the plugin.yml saying "folia-supported:true" doesn't really mean a thing, if the plugins functionality in reality isn't adapted to work on Folia.
narrow elbow
how do i compile folia into server jar
hexed ice
see the paper readme for build instructions
fair merlin
You have to build it yourself.
dire steppe
is that hard?
fair merlin
See the Paper repo for instructions on how to build it.
Suppose it can be for some. It's still in active development so it's not really ready for everyone to be using it.
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
dire steppe
thanks for telling me
finite hinge
In theory if your kernel is smart enough to use the E cores for netty and chunk stuff that works but otherwise it'll probably lead to inconsistent performance
Any time the kernel decides a region should go on an E core anyone in it will cry
visual falcon
7950x is plenty
arctic tapir
show full log
mental tide
resolved
pseudo ibex
Is https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/pull/97 any closer to being accepted?
fair merlin
Is https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/pull/97 any closer to being accepted?
Hard to say. As with anything, no ETAs :)
pseudo ibex
😭
fair merlin
But it looks like it got added to another PR instead
pseudo ibex
But it looks like it got added to another PR instead
???
fair merlin
Oh I misread the comment
prime juniper
How is Folia compiled?
I would like to try it 😄
viral stone
See the paper read me, just clone the folia repo instead of the paper one
dusk dove
Can I compile folia in VSCode?
jagged ether
Can I compile folia in VSCode?
You need Git and a command line
The editor really is irrelevant
fierce horizon
How can I set up Folia, is there a jar file for it or how does it work exactly?
fair merlin
Read up a few lines. You have to compile it.
brazen dust
I built folia using the instructions from the paper repo and when I try to run it (java -jar folia-1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar) i get "No main manifest attribute, in folia-1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar"
brazen dust
Thats prob it. Thanks
The ones in Folia-Server?
Folia-Server/build/libs/ has 2 jars and it seems neither of them run with different errors
Using Java 17
folia-server-1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-reobf.jar```
These are the two jarsCaused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: joptsimple/OptionException```No
In the root folder of the project
I.e. I’m the build folder alongside the -server folder, not in it
brazen dust
Oh. I thought thats what I had originally
Ill try it again im rebuilding rn just to be sure cause i messed it up a few times
thank you i got it
glad magnet
See the paper read me, just clone the folia repo instead of the paper one
can I use the exact same commands in paper MC read me
ocean geyser
can I use the exact same commands in paper MC read me
You "Need to"
glad magnet
You "Need to"
how do i clone
fair merlin
how do i clone
If you don't know how to clone the repo, you probably shouldn't be building this right now. Look up how to work with git, gradle, and Java a bit.
You need to have a bit of git knowledge to be able to clone and build the project.
jagged ether
Why are you sending a link to your fork when Spark has their own Folia branch
That just like Folia if you know how you can compile in seconds
little sable
Why are you sending a link to your fork when Spark has their own Folia branch
Folia branch is for 1.19.4
ah not my bad, he has update ^^
prime juniper
How do i compile Folia on Fedora btw?
scenic sky
copy folia repo, look at the compilation instructions of paper
scenic sky
1.20.1
prime juniper
Okay that's cool
Uh what am i supposed to do here
Why does it want my email
I entered my account mail and name i hope that is correct
prime juniper
its the excecutable from the repo
arctic tapir
screenshot ./gradlew -v
prime juniper
arctic tapir
try a clean clone ¯_(ツ)_/¯
prime juniper
Okay... i did the folia repo like 30min ago so would that really be it
scenic sky
i had that same issue compiling folia on fedora
compiled it through intellij idea and it was fine
ive always had the same issue with paper
prime juniper
If i compile it on my nuc running debian would that work
scenic sky
does it have a gui
scenic sky
yeah intellij is an ide, needs a gui
prime juniper
So i can't just use gradlew in an ssh session
arctic tapir
you can
arctic tapir
does it have a gui
you’re confusing the moon
prime juniper
what?
arctic tapir
nothing
prime juniper
k
fair merlin
k
But if you're trying to use this on a NUC it's going to be like several orders of magnitude slower than just regular Paper.
prime juniper
Okay, im aware but i want to just check it out
Im not going to use it on my survival server
I just succesfully compiled it on debian
It starts faster which is funny to me
Just 2 seconds
Chunks generate way faster
scenic sky
it starts faster because it doesnt load worlds in the boot process
prime juniper
Ah okay
Is this decent for what hardware this runs on
This is with 0 configuration btw (just velocity setup)
arctic tapir
well it’s only 1 player
prime juniper
Also player-max-chunk-generate-rate: -1.0 is -1.0 no rate limit?
Uh this is very interesting
When no players are on its pretty low usage
prime juniper
i mean you can say it like that but regular paper didn't go below 15
arctic tapir
barely a difference
solar ledge
i mean you can say it like that but regular paper didn't go below 15
Coincidence with what runs on the server or active chunks
finite hinge
Is this decent for what hardware this runs on
You only get one region thread so this is going to be Paper but slower
You can tell because the utilization says its out of 100%
If you had two threads it'd be 200%, etc
prime juniper
Okay is that changable in a config?
finite hinge
It's automatcially done based on how many cores you have available, not sure if you can override it
So your CPU is too smol
prime juniper
I've got 4 threads and all are allocated to the mc server
finite hinge
Yeah you need 16+
prime juniper
dam
finite hinge
Ideally 16 cores so no hyperthreading or 32 threads
You can get away with less but 4 is definitely not enough, you should stick to Paper
Paper is already going to make good use of 4 threads
prime juniper
I will, im just expecimenting
Just curious btw
What does purpur different compared to paper
finite hinge
More of a #general question but afaik purpur is basically just paper plus a bunch more configuration knobs and some features that plugins could do (but would be annoying to make) built in to the server
prime juniper
Okay so ill stick to paper then
finite hinge
It's basically a server's custom fork but released to the public
arctic tapir
no
tawdry gullBOT
⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.
narrow bough
Ok, then I'll try to check the documentation and build it myself. Thank you!
finite hinge
It's basically git clone then two commands, the paper readme tells you what they are
You just clone folia instead of paper
So long as git is setup already and you clone to C:, D:, or some other drive directly rather than in some long path
Or do it on something other than Windows
narrow bough
It's basically git clone then two commands, the paper readme tells you what they...
I'm always like this, I don't know why
timid grotto
also you want to do it C:\ directly if possible
narrow bough
did you read what it says
Thanks, I'm going to read the paper readme now
finite hinge
Not the paper readme, the message you screenshotted half of
The bit you cut off on the top is telling you what to do
finite hinge
oof, 28 minutes to apply patches, that must be Windows on an actual hard drive
Oh, right, it has to download a bunch of stuff so if your network was on the fritz that could be why it took so long too
glad magnet
Yeah you need 16+
can you use less than 16 cores
is there any claim plugins that work?
glad magnet
why does it say this?
fair belfry
youre not in the right folder
viral stone
You can run it on whatever hardware you want
Just, how it will perform, we can't say
glad magnet
youre not in the right folder
it didn't tell me what folder it clone to
arctic tapir
Folia
viral stone
you clone te repo, it creates a folder, generally the name of the repo itself
you also generally wanna clone on the root of the drive due to windows limitations
brazen dust
There is a setting in paper "allow-perm-block-break-exploits" i would like to toggle. It seems like this is taking affect on folia so I assume it has the same since its based on paper? Is there a way I can configure these settings? solved by realizing paper.yml has been moved to config/paper.yml
glad magnet
is there any claim plugins that work?
glad magnet
do command blocks work?
shell violet
no. they are disabled.
glad magnet
is there a list for what is disabled
fair merlin
Nope
pallid plume
what is the diffrence between the paperclip version and the bundler version?
bleak python
the bundler jar is the whole server, paperclip only contains the patches to apply to the vanilla jar, which is downloaded on startup and applied
the bigger difference is that, the paperclip jar can be legally distributed, the bundler jar cannot :)
pallid plume
k thanks
muted parrot
Hey guys, who's the best contact person here regarding Folia? My company would love to help out in their efforts.
fair merlin
Hey guys, who's the best contact person here regarding Folia? My company would l...
Help out in what way?
muted parrot
Help out in what way?
Provide more servers to test on, for one. 🙂
fair merlin
Provide more servers to test on, for one. 🙂
Haha well we don't have any plans for another test just yet. But FWIW we don't do sponsorship stuff like "Sponsored by so-and-so company", etc.
If you want to shoot your contact to /modmail we can make a note to reach out if you have some servers you'd like to offer up no-strings-attached and if we do another test we can reach out!
It's tricky to organize a large test with so many players, so we've mostly been focusing on bugfixes and the user tests.
Anyone is welcome to build Folia and run their own test, though! The 1,000 user test wasn't an "official" Paper test run by us, but we did stream it in the Discord and some staff were there to help out.
muted parrot
Alright, got it.
fair merlin
We do have an Open Collective, so if anyone is super stoked about Paper, Folia, or supporting the org, that's always an option!