sk-discussion

[hollow terrace]

When no hit

[tawny basalt]

So what’s topic?

[silver oak]

Is it true that part of the mod application process is the admins watching you play P5

[tawny basalt]

Guess I’ll never be a mod

[cerulean sable]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0cO0tDBqEHyBa9OV7JEp74?si=20f538de16fb408b
https://open.spotify.com/track/7dEBnCmKMyy4Nb6Or9wDG3?si=131f0f6a01fa49dc
https://open.spotify.com/track/5aRdkiK7wcxP269YWpCnMq?si=1828d18233aa4bda
https://open.spotify.com/track/4ekM3t0Fhl9NO2ahaXh6uW?si=6d8c93fd4c0c426b

[crisp drift]

Me who hasn't touched HK for a year:

[charred pulsar]

i've probably lost all skill in HK at this point

[potent plover]

welp, Simo says...

[cerulean sable]

like dont get me wrong the music is good but

they end in like a 2 minute loop

and you have to scour the area for like around 15-30 minutes on average

[silver oak]

they don't sound very good when you listen to all of them at once

[tawny basalt]

Video game music can be good, until you here it over over and over again

[cerulean sable]

ADD ON TOP OF THE PART where you have to go back to backtrack

[cerulean sable]

yup

[crisp drift]

Well if it's diverse enough, i think it's fine

[cerulean sable]

honestly though restraining is also the best way of making stuff more impactful

if 90% of the music is sad piano and viola shit

it eventually stops being sad

[crisp drift]

Yes

[tawny basalt]

Yes, but it can still easily stale

[cerulean sable]

BUT if you restrain it to like a few songs, it will easily standout

[silver oak]

This is why THK fight is so good

[crisp drift]

It's like that one economy law where the more of the same stuff you consume, the less satisfaction you get

[hollow terrace]

YOOOO THAT MEANS YOU FINISHED SILKSONG PLAYTESTING

[silver oak]

love it

[hollow terrace]

WE CAUGHT HIM IN MY TRAP

[crisp drift]

as someone who listen to HK OST 30 times a week, mmmm not really

[cerulean sable]

kinda like how i feel about epic boss fight music in Elden Ring, yeah theyre cool i guess but all of the music is like it that any |
AHHHHH (choir sounds)
DUN DUN (violin sounds)
AHHHHH SANGUINE LATIN LATIN EXMORTIS AHHHHH (DUN DUN)

they all sound the same

[silver oak]

buy it use it break it fix it

[cerulean sable]

Gwyn's theme too

[tawny basalt]

Well that’s cause Christopher Larkin went crazy with the music

[cerulean sable]

everything in that game usually has this loud brazen soundtrack

[crisp drift]

I should specify used to i guess

[potent plover]

I haven't listened to the hollow knight ost in a long time

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7xpyhEw6H0

[silver oak]

I'm learning a latin piece in choir and you're not far off

[cerulean sable]

lmao

[tawny basalt]

I feel like the souls games and such are honestly supposed to have over the top music, I don’t know why but they do

[cerulean sable]

i mean yeah

[crisp drift]

I think it's like the staple

[cerulean sable]

but personally i still think Bloodborne manages to have that good inbetween of not trying too be too epic

[quick frost]

remember when we thought silksong was gonna come out in feburary XD

[crisp drift]

You have the old kingdom vibe with magic and like eldritch stuff

[radiant wraith]

I never could remember Souls boss themes

[cunning geode]

enter, doom wad music

[silver oak]

the medieval shit is way over the top on purpose

[radiant wraith]

I always thought Souls soundtrack ridiculously overrated

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/ctay-rG5f-c?list=PL4duw93fw4wjXnecvva7h037PIrXB1G6U&t=216 one of my favorite themes from BB

[radiant wraith]

I don't even remember 90% of Souls themes

[tawny basalt]

I don’t like it when it’s too over the top except for when its doom

[cerulean sable]

choir should only be preserved for the Cultists

[cunning geode]

which doom? 🤨 there is a correct answer

[potent plover]

man, remember thinking silksong would come out in 2019? not me because I never played hollow knight then

[cerulean sable]

honestly id love if Larkin did some instrumental theming with the OST

[tawny basalt]

Imagine being able to sing

[crisp drift]

Wait why did Wombat's pfp change

Where did the wombat go?

[cunning geode]

my discord pfp has not been an actual wombat in years

[silver oak]

Wombat's been dead for 65 million years

[crisp drift]

Imagine being able to sing or draw or anything most people in Discord have

[cerulean sable]

stuff from the citadel gets choirs and violas, ant kingdom probably would get flamenco guitars, deep docks should have more brass to it etc

[radiant wraith]

Sherma theme is slide flute

[silver oak]

I can sing pretty well

[potent plover]

Wombat's pfp still has the same energy as the last

[tawny basalt]

Uhhh ohh look at the time I, I have to do, some very real things, so, uhh answer that later

[silver oak]

My inability to draw is worse than my ability to sing

[quick frost]

me neither i started playin hk in 2020 cuz i was bored and came across the game theory lore vid

[silver oak]

[cerulean sable]

Larkin did a segment for Tohu and he used xylophones and this artificial bubbling glop sound to match the environment being set in a swamp

[potent plover]

FINALLY MAKE NECRO A REAL GHOST!

[radiant wraith]

This is such a confusing statement

[silent meteor]

can i hear you sing

[silver oak]

no

[vivid belfry]

Less people live in new york than you do

[cerulean sable]

the issue with necro is, they cant fix the broken, they cant light the darkness, they cant hear the silent, they cant fix my heart 😔

[cunning geode]

you need that variety for the individual tracks to pop out and feel more representative of a unique area or feeling

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[silver oak]

so true so true

[radiant wraith]

[cerulean sable]

i actually wish Silksong will use more brass though

for real

[radiant wraith]

Sax solo

[digital glen]

now that you said it, yeah

[cunning geode]

well here come the strings

so maybe not

[silver oak]

noooooo it's all string quartet it's coool and eeeedgy

[potent plover]

thas so deep, have ypou heard of abiyss hollow night?

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/mIW7Ho4xMa4?t=99 i like how Demon Souls managed to use Brass to make stuff sound more demonic

[cerulean sable]

what hollow knight is that the hit undertalelike game??!

[crisp drift]

Mmmm brass are cool

[distant crown]

hi everyone

[silver oak]

cave storylike

[potent plover]

shut fuck up

[cerulean sable]

you

[silver oak]

shut you fuck up

[silent meteor]

argument go brrrrrrrrr

[radiant wraith]

Why play Hollow Knight when Ori 2 exists?

[potent plover]

me!!?!

[cerulean sable]

because Hollow Knight is actually good

gottem

[distant crown]

how is everyone doing today

[cerulean sable]

[radiant wraith]

Ori 2 literally the perfect metroidvania, why play others?

[cerulean sable]

i know its seperate art from the artist

but i hate the director

so

[distant crown]

anyone

[radiant wraith]

I literally haven't played

[silent meteor]

because it copied hollow knight idk

[radiant wraith]

And since Ori 1 sucks....

[silver oak]

I really like both ori games

but yeah thomas whatever sucks

[silent meteor]

Ori 1 sucks and has a shorter playthrough time

[cerulean sable]

real shit i personally just prefer ruined castle insteado f just pure nature

[potent plover]

ori 2 is amazing, but the studio... not so much.

[merry bridge]

[cerulean sable]

and from what ive seen Ori is like 90% nature

[silent meteor]

what the heck happened the moon studios

[potent plover]

[silver oak]

sounds like you would like this game called dark souls

[cerulean sable]

i mean its called the Blind Forest not Ori and The Broken Down Former Kingdom

but still

[radiant wraith]

But I'd love nature, the thing is, Ori 1 barely has any, all dark samey corrupted forest

[crisp drift]

Sameeeee

[hollow terrace]

Im TIRED of latin chanting where’s my NORDIC chanting in my mythical beasts boss fights

[cerulean sable]

vikings are overused

end thread

[distant crown]

What’s wrong seriously please tell me what’s wrong

[hollow terrace]

TACO ILL

[crisp drift]

Smh use egyptian stuff

[cerulean sable]

try me

[hollow terrace]

[radiant wraith]

Thor has already been done by Marvel, Nordic is useless

[cerulean sable]

for real though im hoping HK escapes into more steampunk / medieval aesthetic

[vestal wagon]

I want more esperanto in music

[silent meteor]

those area with a lot of barnacles don't look graymoor

[cerulean sable]

so uhh, steampunk renaissance?

[potent plover]

ori actually has a "surface world", and you explore different islands ( more like countries but )

[silver oak]

Ori and the Perfect Metroidvania with no Hollow Knight inspiration

[distant crown]

Silksong

[cerulean sable]

thats the idea

[distant crown]

Also my hollow knight inspired game will have some steampunk elements in it

[cerulean sable]

i really really cannot stress that im looking forward to Silksong going for a more technologically advanced country

[silver oak]

what song are you quoting in your nickname @cerulean sable

[radiant wraith]

I hope Silksong is exactly like Hollow Knight and doesn't change anything or add anything new

[cerulean sable]

Earthmover

[vestal wagon]

Esperanto is just cool imo

[cunning geode]

tangent
y'know what all this talk about variety in music and then the whole doom thing that i always bring up: the new doom games have some great music but honestly, they really lack that variety. its part of why music made for classic doom so much more, it just feels like it can encompass more emotions than "ah yes angry time." there is genuinely no music in the new doom games that comes close to the unique blend of menacing/breakneck in free-to-play doom mods.

[hollow terrace]

My favorite DS track “The hollow knight” pst

[silent meteor]

Like having a major change of the aesthetics around the game while keeping the best elements of the worldbuilding

[cerulean sable]

and a big thing for HK is not another medieval fantasy game but rather a BUG themed medieval fantasy game

[silver oak]

I LOVE BUGS ()not real

[crisp drift]

I like HK's depressing and melancholic vibe, but if silksong doesn't feel like that i'm fine

[cerulean sable]

look as much as sometimes we have the "graphics doesnt matter" angle in us, HK wouldnt exploded this much if it werent for the artstyle

[silent meteor]

bonebottom

[cerulean sable]

If HK feels like the apocalypse SS should feel like you are in the middle of an economic depression

[cunning geode]

graphical fidelity

[hollow terrace]

I hoping there’s kpop music in Silksong

[cerulean sable]

brown colored shooter syndrome

[cunning geode]

yeah

[silver oak]

TC is super talented
But Ari is really talented

Like, at least as talented as Ari

[hollow terrace]

Hoping that Lace is the main singer

[cunning geode]

a huge trope as video game technology progresses is that "more realistic graphics" = more sales

[silver oak]

Hornet looks like a bass guitarist

[crisp drift]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[charred pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-needle-hornet-playing-her-needle-gif-24057267

[cunning geode]

because most people like the realistic games and lots of triple A studios are paid to make "realistic" games

[silver oak]

She's basically just playing a double bass there

[cunning geode]

but underneath those realistic graphics is still a mess of numbers that better fucking work or else its not realistic anymore

[cerulean sable]

i still think Bioshock Infinite is one of the best looking 2012-2013 games and is a testament of why having good artstyle trumps FULL BLOWN EXTRREME HIGH RESLUTION GRAPHICS AND PARTICLES the that era was aiming for

[distant crown]

Needolin

[silver oak]

too many pictures, text not visible

[distant crown]

I thought you were uploading silksong screenshots

[cunning geode]

what gave it away, the gun?

of course. hollowpoint 2

its all coming together

[cerulean sable]

if i can upload silksong screenshots i wouldnt be talking to you guys cuz id rather be playing it instead

[crisp drift]

Damn so silksong > us?

[hollow terrace]

You wouldn’t talk to us? Your fellow mod friends

[silver oak]

Opinions?

[cerulean sable]

i will destroy you guys if it means i get a copy

[distant crown]

are mods higher beings in this server?

[radiant wraith]

I'm on TV!

[crisp drift]

They can warn the admins so yes

[cerulean sable]

ok a bit OOT but despite EA being considered shit, according to a lot of employees its one of the best companies to be in due to the amount of freedom and benefits

[distant crown]

warn?

[crisp drift]

staring at the warned admin

[cerulean sable]

and the pay is very good too

[distant crown]

did simo create the server? Or was he chosen

[silver oak]

mods get payed 😳

[cunning geode]

Simo made the server

[distant crown]

oh I thought he had an origin story

[silver oak]

simo is the owner, benji joined soon after

[cerulean sable]

also i dont hate 2d pixel art, but at this point you better have something special to back it up if you dont want it piled in yet another shitty "2d pixel art clone" corner

[distant crown]

Benji?

[hollow terrace]

Like Elden ring lore

[charred pulsar]

I have an origin story, it's not interesting but it exists

[silver oak]

*benchy

[distant crown]

ok

[hollow terrace]

Sadly Benji is gone, just like simo

[crisp drift]

Simo's origin story is down to earth and it's cool

[cerulean sable]

heres to hoping Silksong will implement realtime lighting though 😏

[distant crown]

I thought you were chosen by team cherry

[cerulean sable]

afaik most of the lighting is handmade

[silver oak]

Well technically he was

[distant crown]

He’s teh chosen one?

[radiant wraith]

Rumor says Simo is just a regular human like us

[crisp drift]

P sure team cherry just join after knowing the HK fans made the server

[cerulean sable]

no they made the server then TC caught wind of it and invited them for mcdonalds and the rest is history

or was it hungry jacks?

im serious though thats how it went

[charred pulsar]

taco just summarised it, ty

[potent plover]

I hope silson has day and night cycles, and somtimes at night you can encunter shiny enemsies and cach the,mn

[distant crown]

Thanks for summarizing

[silver oak]

If I make a rival hollow knight server can I playtest silksong too

[cerulean sable]

they were like "oh you guys are aaustrlians too?" then they met IRL and afaik at one point Graig was actually scared that Simo and Benji were a bunch of weirdos or something like that

[hollow terrace]

Or that’s what the “story” goes according to simo

[digital glen]

2D games 🤢

[heady iron]

they invited them over for croissants

[potent plover]

4d gamnes😍

[distant crown]

🥐

[silver oak]

flashforward to TGA

[cunning geode]

ironic.

[silver oak]

"ZALIAAANT"

[cerulean sable]

i mean better than another fucking rogulike

[cunning geode]

hey, there are like 3 good roguelikes

watch your tone

[crisp drift]

Pixel art roguelike though

[cunning geode]

yeah

[silver oak]

rogue
where are the other ones

[cunning geode]

Rogue isn't a roguelike its Rogue

sorry snowflake

[cerulean sable]

"This game is an action RPG filled with a huge arsenal of weapons, skills and abilities"

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-fridge-empty-gif-15623425

[silver oak]

is metroid a metroidvania

[cerulean sable]

"with Roguelite elements"

[radiant wraith]

The recipe for bad games

[silver oak]

"This game is basically edith finch meets doom"

[potent plover]

no because i doesn't have the metroid part of it, it's just vania dumb stupid

[hollow terrace]

I can name all three good roguelites, 1. None 2. Of 3. Them

[distant crown]

No it’s actually a 2d action platformer

[cerulean sable]

look man just give me a good fucking story, i dont need another looter roguelike 2d platforming game we have so much of that now

[heady iron]

1. None
2. of
3. Have a Nice Death

[tardy orbit]

Enter the gungeon 🥺

[mystic pewter]

I'm personally partial to Enter the Gungeon

[hollow terrace]

Is this the mindset on how it feels to hate triple A games?

[radiant wraith]

The worst

[still owl]

yall better start mentioning isaac

[distant crown]

Ok here a good story starts with a poem then characters drops into the kingdom and has to ascend to the top of it

[cunning geode]

1. Monolith
2. Nuclear Throne
3. uhhhhhh Slay the Spire?

[cerulean sable]

yes i love getting my Greatsword of Eternal Justice and Unholy Tax Vasion +5, before losing all of it again from some mob that just threw a 2k damage orb that i missed because of how much shit is going on the screen

[mystic pewter]

I also enjoy nuclear throne and isaac. slay the spire ttoo

[cerulean sable]

also which is why im hoping Silksong's story isnt garbage

[distant crown]

hi shalun

[still owl]

ay

[tardy orbit]

Reeeeeeee

[cunning geode]

MONOLITH 👹

[radiant wraith]

I want more stories than gameplay now

[silver oak]

money is bad
I want more broke developers

[proud vale]

Isaac rebirth is sick

[tardy orbit]

Oh yeah nuclear throne is goated too

[mystic pewter]

su we're talking about gungeon

[still owl]

damn son

[proud vale]

Oh wait I meant repentance

[distant crown]

How many issac games are there?

[still owl]

2

[distant crown]

Oh are there multiple dlc?

[silver oak]

flash and rebirth but rebirth has a shitton of dlc

[proud vale]

My guy forgetting about wrath of the lamb

[still owl]

yeah over like 6 years rebirth has gotten tons of DLC stuff

[mystic pewter]

rebirth and rebirth + dlc are entirely different beasts

[radiant wraith]

take him to the doctor

[silver oak]

dats flash

[tardy orbit]

Enter the gungeon has a deep and complex lore that you have to have a high IQ to understand

[radiant wraith]

To be the best rogue like you only need to be mediocre

[cerulean sable]

"Ok so in this game, theres this curse thing right? and its making everyone insane causing them to attack people. And you play an important part with stopping this curse because of your connections, you getting this?"

[tardy orbit]

Gun go shoot

[proud vale]

💀

[tardy orbit]

Lmao

[still owl]

ttacco, attacker of all.

[cerulean sable]

seriously i have theres a good excuse why bosses will try and kill you

if its not "cuz i was insane due to the curse" or "i thought you were a bad guy"

[mystic pewter]

they don't like the look of you

[cerulean sable]

ESPECIALLY the latter, so many games uses it

[silver oak]

the boss attacks you because they're a dick

[radiant wraith]

Devs afraid to make character evil

[cunning geode]

im telling you; picture me, learn-ed game developer, actually finally competent enough to make my own game. fuck curses, the player is the villain. you're told you're the bad guy. if you wanna do good things you have to figure it out

[mystic pewter]

the good ending is the bad ending

[proud vale]

Omori is a good example of choose your own morality

[cunning geode]

never mind im not developing games

[tardy orbit]

True ending is bad ending -> Elden Ring

[still owl]

we LOVE chaos

[rapid topaz]

spoilers

[cerulean sable]

"Wait hold on I can explain were not-"
"HAH dont try and fool us, your lies end here"
post battle
multiple fatal wounds and 17 dead personnel later
"You are stronger than you look"
"Because we keep telling you, were not those guys"
"Im sorry, I have mistaken. This seems to be a huge misunderstanding."

[atomic sparrow]

you and your team 😹

[tardy orbit]

There’s a lot of endings don’t worry lol

[mystic pewter]

nope, you just killed a giant dog with a sword in its mouth and it was limping, feel bad

[potent plover]

there isn't really a good reason for enemies to be attacking you other than "they are infected/cursed" or "you are a wanted criminal here"

[rapid topaz]

Wait I thought you were joking tho

[radiant wraith]

It should be dragon kill human because dragon evil

[mystic pewter]

they are assholes

[potent plover]

ok, 3 reasons

[tardy orbit]

Like halfway I guess

[mystic pewter]

shabriri?

[potent plover]

not the best storytelling reason but it works

[turbid kite]

i love bioware's dragon age morality where being evil is

1. just being a dick

[cerulean sable]

i love it when games arent too on the nose with the good vs bad choices unlike RPGS where you get an option of:

"Hello good sir i dropped my ball in the well"

What action will you take?

Good: Help the the boy with his toy
Bad: Kill entire village, burn the town, assassinate the king, crown yourself the new emperor, create a slave state that kills anyone that questions your authority

[turbid kite]

actually in origin, you can just go "nah bro you're annoying" and cutscene murder people with a knife. in one, the player just fucking throws the knife into a guy's skull, like. bro chill

[mystic pewter]

undertale and deltarune are interesting in their meta commentary on video game choices on morality

[atomic sparrow]

how does one simply drop their ball in the well ?

[still owl]

King of Cards struts in with the best story

[radiant wraith]

Plague of Shadows

[tardy orbit]

Spore did it first

[cerulean sable]

have you ever had a situation where you accidentally threw the ball too high and it got stuck on the ill tempered old guy's house? yeah happened to us often

[cunning geode]

nah i mean the world the game takes place in has conflict and whatnot but nothing as severe as the hell you are about to bring upon it. im talking you're about to end the world kind of shit and if you (the player) realizes you have more choice in the matter its up to you

[cerulean sable]

ahhh ok ok

[potent plover]

plot twist: helping the boy actually ends the world because he's secretly an evil demigod, and Going with the evil route actually saves the world because you didn't help the boy/evil demigod

[atomic sparrow]

fair enough

[mystic pewter]

didn't think alien monstrosity evolution simulator would have any deeper meaning

[turbid kite]

well, i suppose OFF had some issues that were honestly not nearly as severe as what the player causes

[tardy orbit]

How wrong we were

[cerulean sable]

i actually wish Silksong will have that one quest that looks super mundane only for you to land in a huge pile of shit you have no idea has been in the works for a long while now

[potent plover]

I think I just interpreted this wrong

[atomic sparrow]

I feel like we're gonna have lots of that

[tardy orbit]

What kind of pile of shit

[turbid kite]

maplestory does that but it's also a terrible mmorpg

[cerulean sable]

say farmer said water system is getting clogged somewhere, so you go to it and dislodge wtv got stuck in it right? then you find a fucking corpse connected to some group which then traces over some 2 year assassination plot in the making

[radiant wraith]

I hope nothing is what it seems

[turbid kite]

water system being clogged by a corpse is too boring

[potent plover]

Ori 2 wellspring quest in a nutshell

[crisp drift]

How about water system being clogged by a sock

[mystic pewter]

I LOVE when games hide vast amounts of content behind obscure barriers, quests and puzzles. I LOVE when I give in to FOMO and look up how to do everything and I ESPECIALLY LOVE when I end up ruining my first experience for a game because I NEED to kill every boss because its SUPER IMPORTANT

[distant crown]

hi everyone

[cerulean sable]

then the ending of the quest is finding the assassin base, and then:
"Sherma, what are you doing here"
"Ya shouldn't have found that corpse Hornet, it would've been for your own good "

[still owl]

finally, justification to kill sherma.

[mystic pewter]

then he instakills you ( )

[atomic sparrow]

but what if

[turbid kite]

tbh if your corpse disposal ends with "oopsie corpse clogged the drain!" and not "the corpse rapidly disintegrated due to heat and constant water pressure" then wtf. skissue

[distant crown]

shalun want to kill sherma

[atomic sparrow]

he kills us first 💀

[cerulean sable]

or, he hits you and you immediately die only to respawn on the largest prison area in the game where all of your items are taken

[hollow terrace]

Uhhh counter point, FOMO is a myth because uh hello it’s a single player game 🙄

[still owl]

zippos gonna appear in SS to personally kill sherma if I have any say in it

there can only be one funny bug

[hollow terrace]

And he’s name is sharpe

[atomic sparrow]

zippo vs sherma
if that isn't in Maskbearer I'll be having some words with you

[hollow terrace]

Anyone else is getting a ban

[distant crown]

zippo is maskbearer’s version of sherma

[cerulean sable]

real shit though i do wish we find a huge ass prison in Silksong, one of my dreams is this giant crater thing in the floor the houses a huge prison like thing like this

i want more STRUCTURES, fuck nature

[atomic sparrow]

what's with the light ??? scary

[cerulean sable]

its called a panopticon, its designed to make sure every prisoner feels like theyre being watched

its oppressive af lmao

[potent plover]

is that the apiss lighttower?!?!?

[turbid kite]

what if:
oh no! my dog is dying! someone has poisoned my dog! but then you do a dog-topsy. and actually, the dog just swallowed a bone wrong. but alas! it's actually a human ulna! someone is selling human bones as rawhide treats at petsmart!

[cerulean sable]

but it was only a concept made back in the 19th century iirc

no wait there actual prisons like it but it was discontinued

[hollow terrace]

19th century had gamers????

[atomic sparrow]

sigh...

[mint valve]

any silksong news?

[turbid kite]

playing through this structure sounds like it would give me incredible motion sickness. i will puke on you

[distant crown]

#hk-announcements

[cerulean sable]

i mean, they can easily get away by making most of the cells BG elements

[still owl]

sock travels to Australia to puke on you

[turbid kite]

wait i was thinking of a 3D game, not silksong

[cerulean sable]

silent hill 4 had this

[atomic sparrow]

builds up motion sickness through the trip ?

[turbid kite]

brb going to go bite the silent hill 4 dev for motion sickness sim

[distant crown]

It’s pronounced Hollow Knight Silksong

[hollow terrace]

You laugh but that’s a plot line in the darksouls series

[turbid kite]

MY BRAIN. is massive

[turbid kite]

that's ugly as hell

[cerulean sable]

but yeah the navigation in this area sucks

its basiclly spinning with corridors of prison rooms

[potent plover]

and both end up dying turning into... "angels"

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

[mint valve]

I want a swamp area with water skitters and dragon flies. Maybe even vines you could climb on

[cerulean sable]

Silksong should add a huge watermass though

[distant crown]

Who says hollow knight silksong? As opposed to silksong

[cerulean sable]

i wanna make Pharloom feel like a tourist spot

[turbid kite]

hollow knight sogsong

[crisp drift]

White Lady that also mentions years:

[atomic sparrow]

what ?

[cerulean sable]

but a deadly tourist spot where people will shoot at you with poison needles

[distant crown]

In silksong we already have a swamp area with lots of vines

[distant crown]

.

[heady iron]

I want a randomly generated area that can take anywhere from 1 minute to 5 minutes to traverse
fuck you speedrunners

[potent plover]

eh, sounds like every other tourist spot I've been to.

[atomic sparrow]

really ?

[cerulean sable]

one big plus for SIlksong:

The swamp is dark bluish grey instead of the typical purple or greenshit a lot of games go with

[mint valve]

This makes my day

[turbid kite]

i dont think i usually see purple swamps

[still owl]

im tired of toxic green color

[distant crown]

What color would this actually look like?

[potent plover]

yeah, I've even seen huge fuc9kin komodo dragons before

[atomic sparrow]

tired of green in general 😔

[still owl]

we need new colors go

[mint valve]

Greenish grey

[cerulean sable]

well its that or its boring brown

[turbid kite]

shrimp colors

[atomic sparrow]

pink

[crisp drift]

Pink

[heady iron]

ahsd

[potent plover]

z

[mystic pewter]

what about a red swamp? or, maybe even a scarlet swamp?

[still owl]

pink bubble gum swamp.

[distant crown]

Green is nature and nature gives oxygen but green is just colors of leaves and plants but it does mean something

[turbid kite]

this logic is extremely bad

[radiant wraith]

Imagine a game where you entered a massive supercomputer

[cerulean sable]

fuck Michael Zaki and his swamp addiction

[turbid kite]

clearly you're not a bogbody

[distant crown]

swamp

[heady iron]

what did kentaro miura mean by this

[hollow terrace]

MIYAZAKIIIIII

[distant crown]

I adMIRE swamps

[turbid kite]

ok that's a good one

[distant crown]

Bad pun

[mint valve]

Same here

[cerulean sable]

as long as hornet doesnt get stuck in some bog glue and has to mash A to get out then im fine

[still owl]

fromsoft adds swamps to make the other areas look even better

[mystic pewter]

there's 4 or 6 more you're leaving out

[cerulean sable]

yeah and iradther leave them out

i really do wish we see the ocean or something 😔

or the theoretical silksong surface

[distant crown]

Swamps are pretty boggers

[turbid kite]

wait until you hear about how big and empty the ocean is

[cerulean sable]

im still digging the idea that Silksong has a surface

[still owl]

I'd be amazed if TC decided to actually show the surface.

[cerulean sable]

and that Dirtmouth is a cave

[mystic pewter]

honestly ||swamp of aeonia|| from ||the bottom photo|| is the least atrocious swamp I think from's made

[turbid kite]

you're scratching the surface?

[cerulean sable]

ill scratch you

[cerulean sable]

ye cuz u got a horse

[distant crown]

Did you know pharloom is seperated from the wastes by a large chasm

[mystic pewter]

a horse that's very conveniently immune to status effects

[distant crown]

The chasm leads to moss grotto

Which is really far down

[trim estuary]

AAAAUUUUGGGHH

[cerulean sable]

diagram for the idiots

OR

[shrewd surge]

is pharloom canonically a volcano? or did someone intentionally place all that lava there to confuse us

[hollow terrace]

There’s was a great clip of someone yelling out Miyazaki’s name after beating the twin gargoyles because he was poisoned

[olive locust]

What y'all talking about

[trim estuary]

Finally, a diagram I can understand!

[hollow terrace]

Sadly the account was terminated

WHY ELON WHY

[mystic pewter]

twin gargoyles are the least ganky gank fight to ever gank

[cerulean sable]

theoretical underwater anthill that filters the water to the underground cave

[trim estuary]

YOOOOOO

[cerulean sable]

however, i am not good with physics, so i dont know if the weight of the water is will crush the cavernous belows

[olive locust]

Is this supposed to be hollownest?

[cerulean sable]

its Anor Londo dumbss

[atomic sparrow]

😚 bro the sun is really 😃

[distant crown]

Does this look like hallownest

[still owl]

below ocean level ant hills

[olive locust]

Anor Londo deez nuts

[hollow terrace]

Yeah but the funny part was that he was still poisoned after the fight

[mystic pewter]

yes

[olive locust]

Yes

[olive locust]

I thought the green stuff was greenpath

Git gud

[cerulean sable]

and the top of Pharloom looks like this

[mystic pewter]

final boss better be exclusively fought through QTEs or I quit

[cerulean sable]

Dying Light 1

imagine making one of the best parkour and melee combat system

ok?

[olive locust]

Are we still talking about silksong?

[cerulean sable]

now, imagine if the finalboss is just QTEs

[trim estuary]

what game is this

[olive locust]

I'm really confused

[cerulean sable]

thats Dying Light 1

[mystic pewter]

was thinking of halo 4 but now I'll never play dying light 1 for that anticlimax

[cerulean sable]

Dark Souls 2

[distant crown]

Why are you doing that no one offended you or did anything to evoke your anger or frustration

[trim estuary]

it’s not very dark

[cerulean sable]

look i just really want a theoretical surface for Pharloom

[tired flicker]

any news on game lately?

[distant crown]

Pharloom is underground

[cerulean sable]

it would be the peak of "opposite of Hallownest"

[cerulean sable]

thats what i wish youll be wrong with kiddo

[radiant wraith]

Dark Souls 2 best

[distant crown]

Eh

[still owl]

the surface is actually the dream realm

[distant crown]

Waaat

[mystic pewter]

noooo you can't be mad because I am
option 1. Insane and not in my right mind
option 2. cursed and not in my right mind
option 3. an asshole

[radiant wraith]

Pharloom is udnerwater

[olive locust]

Bruh no

[cerulean sable]

Godmaster was the closest thing we could have for a "Sky"

[mystic pewter]

best of the trilogy

[shrewd surge]

the moss grotto is actually inside some guy's hanging planter

[radiant wraith]

I want a blue fucking sky

[atomic sparrow]

just like how dirtmouth / hallownest crown is the theoretical "surface" of Hallownest ?

[hollow terrace]

Twitters search function sucks

[radiant wraith]

Sunny fucking day on pharloom

[atomic sparrow]

weather system in Pharloom

[olive locust]

Why were u on Twitter when u could be using reddit?

[cerulean sable]

there was debates here back then about how Dirtmouth is actually a cave system and that the "true" surface is way above it, and that its really just a huge ass cave

[radiant wraith]

Weather is very important to me, how are ER's weather events?

[hollow terrace]

That statement has no connection

[cerulean sable]

Just to see a sky like this in Silksong would be a huge factor for me given you spend most of the time underground, its like those post apocalyptic bunker movies where they see the sun for the first time

[hollow terrace]

Anyways Why can’t I be sent to tweets during a certain week

[serene chasm]

HK takes place in the hollow earth

[mystic pewter]

you go inside a time-reversing tornado at one point

[radiant wraith]

This one

[atomic sparrow]

true

[atomic sparrow]

damn Hornet having some wild dreams

[cerulean sable]

if its not the sky, at least i wanna see the ocean in Silksong

god its justa hiksdhfak;shfwfasf its like a dream vacation bro

[radiant wraith]

It'd be very different from Hollow Knight, which doesn't have stuff like that at all

[potent plover]

jessus?!?!

[cerulean sable]

what lies beyond

[radiant wraith]

Hollow Knight is very reserved

[cerulean sable]

which is why id love to see it Silksong

[atomic sparrow]

damn bro The Knight & ain't enough at blue lake

[cerulean sable]

especially with how much larger the areas look

one of my favorite areas unironiccally is Junk Pit

[atomic sparrow]

same

[mystic pewter]

if you wanna see the sky and the ocean you can go to a beach ||/j||

[cerulean sable]

seeing those pillars on the BG, they did the perspective art so fucking well

[radiant wraith]

Yes, I think I noticed that too, was surprised

[atomic sparrow]

for me is mostly the new content

[cerulean sable]

Junk Pit > 70% of Godmaster

[radiant wraith]

new content more like, redone old content

You mean McDonald's?

[atomic sparrow]

ok but those pillars in the bg are pretty good tho

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/Z7bHykVeObo?t=16 i think VISUALLY Junk Pit is the largest area theyve made in the game

for most of Kingdoms Edge I think they its blocked by some object

then again you can also argue that for Howling Cliffs

honestly stuff like these are something we will never know, probably meant to be speculated and left open ended

[radiant wraith]

Howling Cliffs is my least favorite area

[cerulean sable]

its large but its bland af

[radiant wraith]

It's the area where floating platforms are most noticeable as world breaking

[serene chasm]

compared to what weve seen of SS. Almost all the areas of HK are bland.

[cerulean sable]

^

[serene chasm]

I mean. Its a lifeless desert

[cerulean sable]

no offense to HK

like, the color palette works

[shrewd surge]

on another topic entirely
Does anyone know if Pharloom Is Canonically a volcano? if not why is there so much lava there?

[cerulean sable]

but, i think Ari's full potential can be seen with a more variety of color

[radiant wraith]

I just.... don't want to play Hollow Knight for a good while

[serene chasm]

HK is still has some really cool areas. Its just that SS is going to blow it out of the fucking water

[atomic sparrow]

hollow knight really just makes me sad man I don't wanna be sad💀

[cerulean sable]

still IMO one of the best color blends from the magazine

[fathom peak]

grass
or is it moss idk

[cerulean sable]

compared to greenpath

[atomic sparrow]

what's happening with Hornet's sprites

[cerulean sable]

needolin playing

even this grey looks better than most of Dirtmouth IMO

[atomic sparrow]

speaking of grass y'all got those comparison photos ? like from the moss from hk to the moss from silksong ?

[radiant wraith]

Like pillow

[cerulean sable]

1. black soft particles
2. the detailed brambles on the floor
3. great broken down foreground
4. surface textures are very detailed

[radiant wraith]

Are you sure you didn't drink it already?

[cerulean sable]

i think the best way to put it to words is its very "dense"

[radiant wraith]

Real

[serene chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

[radiant wraith]

Full of stuff, I like stuff

[heady iron]

ur very dense

[atomic sparrow]

me

[cerulean sable]

ratio

[cerulean sable]

says the guy who cant even beat me in quake live lmao

[heady iron]

I'll make you quake while you live

[cerulean sable]

i wish they took the footage in a higher quality

[atomic sparrow]

guess we have to wait for Silksong to come out

[radiant wraith]

They are keeping the quality for later

[cerulean sable]

thats actuallly one of my theories lmao

put it on low quality for now like its some "classified" images

[radiant wraith]

Found footage

[heady iron]

they should've recorded it in 144p bandicam

[cerulean sable]

they shouldve used an old phone

then just take footage of their monitors

[radiant wraith]

I'm taking my break from Hollow Knight so I can love it again

[cerulean sable]

i come back to hollow knight

and instead i tell myself i wish i was playing silksong instead

[radiant wraith]

I want to experience first time again, and I will. But for now, I want none of it.

[cerulean sable]

its like what the MMO fans says

[radiant wraith]

Or maybe it has something to do with the type of games I crave right now

[serene chasm]

Im dont with HK. I did all I needed to do. I dont need to do anymore in it. Im done. I dont need to do anything else. nothing

[cerulean sable]

theyre still chasing for that "dragon" like how they felt on their first MMOs

[radiant wraith]

I'm feeling good stuff from videogames, just not from Hollow Knight t

[serene chasm]

Help! Im being attacked

[radiant wraith]

I'm looking for other types of games

Less gamey games

[serene chasm]

Haiku the Robot comes out tomorrow

[cerulean sable]

im still waiting for the time Bethesda actually releases a good RPG

but honestly i have 0 hopes at this point

[radiant wraith]

Maybe I should look into Inscryption

[serene chasm]

Heard good things. Yet to actually play it.

[cerulean sable]

its good but then again i only watched someone else play it

[serene chasm]

If you want something witha shit ton of words check out Disco Elysium

[radiant wraith]

I just want more crazy games, less grounded I guess?

[cerulean sable]

this but for high fantasy dragons shit

[serene chasm]

Just remake morrowind just with better graphics and some slight QOL changes

[cerulean sable]

the morrowin to skyrim engine will never see the light of day imo

this wouldnt be an issue if they stopped being a bunch of coward and started making good RPGs that doesnt end with you carrying for some family member or being the chosen one

[serene chasm]

I think it will come out.

[radiant wraith]

RPGs where you are not a character?

[cerulean sable]

after Fallout 4 i doubt

an RPG where the world doesnt revolve around me

[radiant wraith]

Being a character sucks

[cerulean sable]

true

[distant crown]

Yo guys I just won an argument

[cerulean sable]

HK never gave that feeling tho because whats the point considering everyones fucking dead

[trim estuary]

You’re a mod just play silksong

[serene chasm]

Oh you mean an official Morrowind remake? Or do you mean the Skywind mod

[radiant wraith]

Oh yes please, I want more world not revolving around you games

[cerulean sable]

and if you do want to give me that feeling, at least for the love of god, make me feel like i earn it

[cerulean sable]

Skywind

[radiant wraith]

It's hard for me to put into words what I want from videogames right now

[cerulean sable]

a lot of chosen one games feel like youre treated like a toddler whos entire family is celebrating because you placed the triangle block in the triangle hole

[trim estuary]

same

[cerulean sable]

one word, historical medieval games

[radiant wraith]

World and story over gameplay is part of it for sure

[cerulean sable]

or at least dont give me WoW style armor

[trim estuary]

ew historical fiction

[radiant wraith]

I want games to make me feel emotions too

[trim estuary]

same

[radiant wraith]

I also want some insane games, crazy stuff happens

[trim estuary]

yeah I want moons to be consumed by the Void

[radiant wraith]

How do you call games like Stanley Parable?

[serene chasm]

adventure

[trim estuary]

walking simulator

[cerulean sable]

yeah a game that feels very personal is something ive been looking for to

[radiant wraith]

That are not entirely an enclosed world?

[cerulean sable]

it doenst have to involve saving the world

honestly wish games would pull down the scales again

less world ending and more your town is something you care about

[trim estuary]

i was about to say that

[radiant wraith]

How do I say this...the world of Stanley Parable is not quite a self-contained universe...

[shrewd surge]

"first person exploration game" according to the steam page

[radiant wraith]

Everything is hard to put into words

[novel tendon]

Is everyone here familiar with the orb

[coarse leaf]

puzzle platformer roguelite

[serene chasm]

have you played the new stanley parable game?

[radiant wraith]

No

[shrewd surge]

it came out earlier today

[trim estuary]

The orb

[distant crown]

Atmosphere,adventure,exploration and good storytelling

[serene chasm]

I know. Im thinking of getting it since I loved the first one, but not sure if its worth it

[novel tendon]

Yes

[distant crown]

The orb is gorb

[trim estuary]

from what I’ve heard it’s just the original but higher quality

[radiant wraith]

No no and no, this is not what I'm looking for to describe it

[novel tendon]

The orb is not gorb

[cerulean sable]

for me its currently

1. exploration
2. story
3. combat

imo elden ring failed on the 2nd part for me

[novel tendon]

The orb is an egg which contains silksong, and we must hatch it

[trim estuary]

tbh I didn’t get almost Elden rings story until I beat it twice and I still don’t really

[distant crown]

Guys have you ever won an argument (it feels so good)

[shrewd surge]

supposedly there's new endings and content, but we have no idea how much

[radiant wraith]

I guess I could say something about the fourth wall but that doesn't feel like it either

[serene chasm]

I thought ER story was good. But its a video game so the bar isnt very high

[trim estuary]

YES LIKE THAT TIME I PREACHED THAT SHARPE WAS VOID AND THEY ACCEPTED

[radiant wraith]

Games that are not set in worlds with strict rules

[cerulean sable]

yeah if you wanna win an arguement you can either say

1. its your opinion
2. k
3. lol
4. i guess, but i still think im right

[novel tendon]

The orb

[coarse leaf]

5. seethe, mald, cope

[radiant wraith]

Have any of you played Dust's Memochi?

[cerulean sable]

Dust what now

[serene chasm]

It was a bit too "AND HE WENT TO THE KING OF AHSHIENJSIKI AND BLAH..."

[trim estuary]

Dust’s Memoji

[radiant wraith]

A small itch.io game

It's about memories, I want more like that, emotional, abstract

[serene chasm]

who plays itch games

[cerulean sable]

ahh something Manly Badass Hero would play

[serene chasm]

jk

[cerulean sable]

and i want huge ass RPGs where people die like its tuesday

have you played Lisa Ian, i heard its good

[radiant wraith]

Oh yes! This!

No, but I've heard of it, doesn't seem like my type of thing

[cerulean sable]

fair

i heard it will actually emotionally destroy you

and not in the sad beautiful way

but in the "why do we exist, just to suffer" way

[radiant wraith]

Seems.... enjoyable

[coarse leaf]

i just want games with fun combat and a simple art style

[cerulean sable]

theres like 15 roguelikes for that

[coarse leaf]

yeah

[radiant wraith]

But seriously, give this game a try, it's like 20 minutes long, and amazing, fantastic, beautiful...

I want more like it

I think abstract was the word I was looking for

[serene chasm]

Play Outer Wilds

[radiant wraith]

I should

Games that take advantage of the possibilities

[cerulean sable]

thinking about it i dont think ive played a lot of the shorter more abstract games

[serene chasm]

Oh. If you want emotional games. Check out the To the Moon series

[cerulean sable]

how about Inside?

adding my endorsement for To the Moon

[radiant wraith]

Oh?

[shrewd surge]

the ending was... peculiar

[cerulean sable]

i once watched it firstthrough an old youtuber, which sadly was outed as a... uhhh...

yeah anyway good series

[charred pulsar]

To The Moon damn 😢

[fiery coral]

oh you know it's all about coming together as people 🙂

[radiant wraith]

I do wish to put into words what I want from videogames right now

[cerulean sable]

thinking about it i think Disco Elysium was the only few games that hit me with that feeling

any games music also helps a lot

[silver oak]

there was an idea
to put together a group of people

[cerulean sable]

overall most of my previous games has been mindless FPS games

[serene chasm]

Currently playing that. what feeling?

[cerulean sable]

Hope?

[sterile sleet]

Imposter Factory

[charred heron]

hey has there been any news

[cerulean sable]

Like its not too late to change yet

thats how i felt with it at least

[radiant wraith]

I am once again recommending Dust's Memochi

[coarse leaf]

what was the one game called, where you changed the size of things

[sterile sleet]

Superliminal

[fiery coral]

🤐

Superliminal is awesome

[sterile sleet]

That’s really fun, though short

[charred heron]

bruh

[coarse leaf]

yeah. i found superliminal really fun despite how short it wad

[silver oak]

can this replace the current sspsa

[fiery coral]

ask @charred pulsar

[silver oak]

get on it simo

[radiant wraith]

Go ahead, ask again

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/Eg80a-4txV0?t=46 also the music bro, it just hits you at certain points (might be spoiler for you Curly)

[shrewd surge]

i heard there might be a secret ending possibly maybe if you ||break all the power generation sphere thingies||

[charred pulsar]

Go ahead, ask again

[fiery coral]

Simo can 🤐 replace the current PSA?

[radiant wraith]

Theoretically it could

[serene chasm]

I do have to agree with the music. Its very subtle, but its really good

[silver oak]

well now I do not want to 😠

[cerulean sable]

the entire OST is actually made by an old British rock band

[serene chasm]

Another recommendation: Return of the Obra Dinn

[radiant wraith]

Looks good too

[cerulean sable]

and a decent chunk of the OST is from their own songs that they repurposed

[serene chasm]

cool

[silver oak]

I played a bit of this

[fiery coral]

Yes also this

Shame there's not much replay value

but it's such a cool game

[cerulean sable]

Forgive the thumbnail as there are no other, but if you notice the starting horn, youll notice why its familiar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSkb5OtTmgg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsSc4pOrj38

[silver oak]

banned for lewds

[serene chasm]

yeah. but I feel we put too much on replayablity these days. Its ok for a game to be one and done

[cerulean sable]

^

a lot of games are aiming too hard to get that dollar per hour value

[radiant wraith]

Agreed

I will try again to describe what I want

[cerulean sable]

while i agree while lack of replayability can be considered as a negative, it should be more of a footnote vs to an actual con

[silver oak]

smh everyone knows roguelikes are the best game genre

[cerulean sable]

real shit

i wanna see the end

to reflect my journey

not go up the slide again because i fell halfway through it for 50 hours

[silver oak]

beat the game 10 million times for a cool skin!

[radiant wraith]

Rogue likes are exactly the opposite of what I want right now

[cerulean sable]

i never liked roguelikes

[radiant wraith]

That's for sure, there's nothing I want less now

[silver oak]

Do you want vacuum cleaners

[radiant wraith]

I don't know how to describe what I want

[cerulean sable]

when i was playing through HK, my mind got into the "i am a hunter, i will go into the depths of this world and kill everything as the Hunter told me so"

just finding new stuff is one of my biggest incentive

mastery aside

[serene chasm]

Wandersong is also another one I recommend

[silver oak]

If you're a vacuum cleaner knight, does that mean you kill vacuum cleaners or protect them

[shrewd surge]

though it's worth noting if you make the total playtime of a game less than an hour, 90% of the steam copies will be refunded no matter how great the game is

[radiant wraith]

I want games that make me feel lonely, small, emotional, lost.

[serene chasm]

Shadow of the Colossus

[radiant wraith]

I'm a character from Shovel Knight

[cerulean sable]

yeah

i forgot which game it is

but i think spiderman has the highest plat rate

[radiant wraith]

Yeah?

[serene chasm]

yeah!

[cerulean sable]

but because the achievements are relatively easy to get

[radiant wraith]

I want more campfire scenes

I want more reality breaking horrors lying hidden just beneath the surface

[silver oak]

you want outer wilds

[cerulean sable]

my favorite part of HK for real

[serene chasm]

everyone wants outer wilds

[cerulean sable]

you know theres SOMETHING underneath

[radiant wraith]

I think I need Outer Wilds

[cerulean sable]

and you let your curiousity get into you

[radiant wraith]

Have you played Environmental Station Alpha? That sort of hidden horror

[shrewd surge]

i've never player outer wilds but it's been recommended to me

[fiery coral]

have you heard of this game called Outer Wilds-

[radiant wraith]

Your world may not be what it seems

I should get into cosmic horror I think

[silver oak]

get into scp

[radiant wraith]

No

That's a definite no, not what I'm looking for

[silver oak]

cosmic horror and scp are more similar than you'd think

cthulu mythos?

[radiant wraith]

I want cosmic horror for me to feel small in vastness

[cerulean sable]

honestly why games that do intend replayability, i prefer it if you dont encounter every enemy

Battle Brothers had me feeling this, i was already finished with my 3rd run after 30+ failed ones, and yet hearing stuff about "Necrosavants" and how theyre super scary especially if you fight them early is what made the discovery work for me despite not being an exploration thing

this idea that i have not yet encountered this terrifying thing despite playing for close to 150+ hours added to this mystery, its hard to put it into words but you get me

[silver oak]

got it, every game should have at least 300 hours of content

[cerulean sable]

well not specifically

just that, knowing you havent seen all of the pokemons so to say

and you have to actively seek them out while people has given them the reputation to be scary and the mystery it gives is what i love

[radiant wraith]

Oh, and I definitely want more ecosystem focused games

[cerulean sable]

like imagine if theres no percentage in HK, and you finish the game and all youre hearing is "actually deeper into deepnest, lies this monster" etc

you just let your curiousity guide you, that theres more

fear the unknown more than the known after all

[radiant wraith]

Rain World has changed me, I don't look at simple walk back and forth then attack player ai the same way anymore

[cerulean sable]

OH

if you want survival shit like that, i recommend Pathlogic 2

[radiant wraith]

It's part of making you feel like the world doesn't revolve around you

[cerulean sable]

you are essentially a plague doctor, and an entire city is falling into plague

anyone can die

[radiant wraith]

I'm listening

[coarse leaf]

celeste is fun

[trim estuary]

I love death

[cerulean sable]

but youre essentially vying for resources to keep anyone you know alive

[radiant wraith]

Moral dilemas?

[cerulean sable]

sometimes you have to legitimatley steal through some other guy's storage to take his medical supplies just to cure this kid

and on top of that you have to have some supplies for yourself as well

[radiant wraith]

I'm looking for that too, but that was always the case for me, nothing new

[cerulean sable]

and therers this certain mystery, that the plague is more than what it seems

[radiant wraith]

I want it now

[cerulean sable]

so yeah youre basically trying to juggle multiple sick patients AND yourself for supplies

[radiant wraith]

This sounds great!

[cerulean sable]

while every day that passes the town gets more desperate

more bandits, more dying people

but yeah its super oppressive

https://store.steampowered.com/app/505230/Pathologic_2/

Steam

Pathologic 2

Pathologic 2 is a narrative-driven dramatic thriller about fighting a deadly outbreak in a secluded rural town. The town is dying. Face the realities of a collapsing society as you make difficult choices in seemingly lose-lose situations. The plague isn’t just a disease. You can’t save everyone.The plague is devouring the town. The chief local h...

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$34.99

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5432

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and its difficult too

but theres like difficulty sliders for it

but like the director said "the game is meant to be oppressive and bleak, where you will have to make hard choices, and to make it easier then whats the point? but you do you i guess"

[radiant wraith]

Wishlisted

[cerulean sable]

you have to set up schedules on how youll route it out

take notes of who is sick or not

etc

and hope you survive the next day

cool autopsy system too

[radiant wraith]

Yes, this feels like it'd be something of what I'm looking for

[cerulean sable]

and yeah theres a story too

but thats for you to find out

[radiant wraith]

Thanks a lot!

[cerulean sable]

but yeah the initial low scores from most of the major sites was usually one thing

the difficulty

i think it was gamespot that complained about it

[radiant wraith]

I like difficulty if it serves the game

[cerulean sable]

yup the game is bleak af you are an underpaid plague doctor whos literally sent to a dying town where everything is going to shit

youll end up doing evil shit like stealing or even mugging someone just to get enough supplies for your patients

if it was super easy to appease anyone then whats the fucking point?

[fiery coral]

definitely sounds like a fun game that I would pay to experience

[radiant wraith]

Sounds like yes

[cerulean sable]

but yeah its not just a typical survival game, theres a narrative to it, so good luck learning the origins of it

orrrr you can instead spend the precious time saving your patient instead, your call

[radiant wraith]

That's all cool

[cerulean sable]

yup i like games with this idea

i just dont play it because back then it reminded me of stalker and i was scared of mutants and shit

good luck choosing whether lily the 8 year old girl deserves the anti inflamation medicine more than the 50 year old expert, stuff like that, Manadalore did a review of it

but yeah its definitely a niche which is why you barely hear anything about that

the average person isnt someone whos gonna ask something like "i want a bleak survival game where i have to make tough moral choices after a long stressful day at work"

[radiant wraith]

Honestly, sounds amazing

[cerulean sable]

the first game had a cult following

tho the consensus is 2 feels more like a remake more than a sequel

besides 1 is like old 2000 eras old, youre not gonna miss out afaik

[radiant wraith]

Alright, I will try it out

[crisp drift]

Is it still going

[cerulean sable]

its done

[radiant wraith]

I'll also dive deep into itch.io or something

For some abstract, intimate, emotional games

And keep looking for games that make me feel alone, small and lost

[cerulean sable]

Darkwood but thats more horror 🥴

[radiant wraith]

Oh yes I saw that one

[cerulean sable]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/274520/Darkwood/

Steam

Darkwood

Darkwood provides a new perspective on survival horror. Scavenge and explore the rich, ever-changing free-roam world by day, then hunker down in your hideout and pray for the morning light.Survival horror from a top-down perspective that is terrifying to play.No hand holding or quest markers. Test your skills and figure things out on your own!By...

Price

$14.99

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11016

Metacritic

80

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[radiant wraith]

Horror amplifies the feelings

[cerulean sable]

but not a requirement no?

[radiant wraith]

Not necessarily

Darkwood looks good though

Well, I have to sleep now, thanks a lot for the recommendations, and the talk. Bye!

[cerulean sable]

aight aight

[proud vale]

Bruh .. TOP DOWN

[cerulean sable]

honestly its a great new perspective

[proud vale]

I have not seen a fully top down game in a very long time

[cerulean sable]

a lot of horror games are FPS games in tight corridors where you either cant fight back or you can only do it in limited quantities

[proud vale]

The last one was bloons tower defence

[trim estuary]

bloons goes crazy

[cerulean sable]

check the part of the trailer in 1:00

[crisp drift]

I never really got into bloons hmmmm

[cerulean sable]

i thought that the idea that you could see objects moving on rooms outside of your vision but not see the enemy itself added to the scariness of it

[trim estuary]

is Metroid dread considered horror or no

[warm bone]

no

[trim estuary]

yeah that sounds scary

[warm bone]

it's a metroidvania with horror elements

[trim estuary]

it scared me more than the new fnaf did

then again that’s fnaf

[cerulean sable]

i actually hope as you go farther to the eastern part of silksong, it starts getting lonelier

[trim estuary]

dang

[crisp drift]

Why east specifically

[cerulean sable]

i love how in stalker you and all other AI stalkers are cozy af inside wtv the barge but gets scarier and harder enemies spawn as you go farther from it

dunno my orientation is like west to east in terms of progression

cuz

Moss Grotto > Deep Docks

[crisp drift]

Left to right

[cerulean sable]

yes

west to east

[crisp drift]

I imagine Silksong's progression is down to the top

[trim estuary]

nah you gotta go the abyss and then you go up

[cerulean sable]

going back to the air of mystery, it would be cool if theres like 2-3 areas that you absolutely do not need to go to that you need to discover for yourself

a lot of games often has a story quests that makes you go to every area

[crisp drift]

Ah yes "down to the top"
Engrish

[cerulean sable]

yeah it bottom to top but like, id imagine some unexplored territories at the far extremes of it

well see

i think in HK you can easily miss 2~ areas if youre not actively seeking them

[crisp drift]

Though you probably will know since the Hive houses a boss and a mask shard and grub

[cerulean sable]

one of my favorites is seeing people talk about their progression and their other friend's reaction is either "whats that area?" or "wait, you can go there through there? i went here instead"

[spice plume]

among

[crisp drift]

Oh you mean multi entrance/exit world

[cerulean sable]

actually yeah

i just mean areas in general

stuff you accidentally stumble up yourself

[crisp drift]

Yeah i see i see

[cerulean sable]

despite some of the criticisms that HK is too open, i personally see that as its biggest strength

[vivid belfry]

I have never seen anybody complain about HK being too open

[cerulean sable]

there are grover

there definitely are

[crisp drift]

King's Station to Kingdom's Edge i think was a cool thing to stumble if you found it from King's Station

[vivid belfry]

HK is like one million times less aimless than almost every other metroidvania

because of the fact that most areas have multiple entrances

[cerulean sable]

i know because i often lurk gaming discussion subs (and i dont mean r games or r gaming because those a shithole and a news only sub respectively)

but its like

way below the list

because usually its difficulty, boss backtracking and early game that i see is often the first complaints

[silver oak]

truegaming?

[cerulean sable]

that and r patientgamers

[crisp drift]

I guess different people like different design

Some just like linear progression path

[cerulean sable]

patientgamers often teeters between
"i really enjoyed x" then 2 days later "x is overrated" shows up

[crisp drift]

[serene chasm]

https://xkcd.com/606/
is this the top panel for patient gamers

xkcd: Cutting Edge

I remember trying to log in to the original Command and Conquer servers a year or two back and feeling like I was knocking on the boarded-up gates of a ghost town.

[cerulean sable]

Then theres Witcher 3

but yeah this sub is a back and forth\

HK often had its fair share of highly upvoted posts of "Hollow Knight is a masterpiece" then "Hollow Knight was a dissapointment"

[serene chasm]

Thats any game really

[cerulean sable]

nowadays tho since its past its 2017 hype period, for most part ive mostly seen 300-500 upvoted posts liking it

yeah

eitherwise this is where i got the glimpse of peoples opinions

[crisp drift]

It's impossible for a game to have everyone go i like this

[serene chasm]

espesiially games with lots of hype behind them

[fiery coral]

man can't wait to see the reception Elden Ring gets

[cerulean sable]

my guess is

they moved the limit to 1 year

[crisp drift]

Elden Ring overrated

[cerulean sable]

so its gonna be like
"Elden Ring is the culmination of From Software's work"

[crisp drift]

-someone who hasn't played Elden Ring

[cerulean sable]

then a few months later thats when the Elden Ring critic posts will show up

[fiery coral]

'ER truly feels like the culmination of everything FromSoft has ever done before'
'ER is an overrated, lacklustre, rushed game that I cannot believe got any 10/10s'

[cerulean sable]

ER is an overrated, lacklustre, rushed game that I cannot believe got any 10/10s

[fiery coral]

'I'm going back to DS2'

[cerulean sable]

people there unironically sometimes throw the overrated critic that it boggles me

at one point someone said "Hollow Knight only got popular because of the artstyle"

[fiery coral]

too many people like it, therefore I dislike it

[cerulean sable]

guy got immediately piled with "Yeah definitely, its not like the gameplay, the richness of the lore, the soundtrack, the combat, the bosses etc is what people also loved. Nahhh they just got fooled by the artstyle amirite?"

legit i hate that type of assumption

"x people only liked y because..."

what youre gonna claim that i dont actually like the game? and that infact i am simply just dumbfounded and fooled by the graphics into thinking its good? thank you for opening my eyes, i now hate this game now that i can see the truth, forgive me for my errors

[fiery coral]

[cerulean sable]

like bro you dont speak for me lmao

[still owl]

How many of the comments are actually good critiques vs bad ones?

[cerulean sable]

for most part its genuine critics though

[fiery coral]

Ttacco would have to browse all Reddit comments on it though

[still owl]

Ah, that’s good at least. Better than I expected tbh

[cerulean sable]

there often is a huge defend + agree discussion in the comments

[fiery coral]

which is not something I'd have anyone suffer through

[cerulean sable]

even those witcher 3 posts i sent, a lot of people defends the game

[crisp drift]

I think the good critics won't stay there, no?

[cerulean sable]

as long as youre not being an asshole about it usually people are fine to engage with it

[still owl]

Bad stuff generally tends to stick in your mind better however!

[crisp drift]

Curse our brain for that

[cerulean sable]

theres a big difference from
"X is honestly such a letdown, I dont understand how anyone can like the mechanics"
vs
"X is was let down for me, but I would like to hear the thoughts the fans to better understand what they like about it"

usually the former only works if the game is hyped enough

big games like Witcher 3 or BOTW you can get away with it

but more niche games means more niche fans willing to engage against you

[crisp drift]

I think for posting stuff on internet, you should consider other people's opinion before jumping in imo
Especially criticism like this

[cerulean sable]

yeah but the thing is

theres a good chunk of you vs us mentality when it comes to video games

if you dont like a game, that probably means this game is childish and wont appeal to a smart adult like you

[still owl]

“You’re playing the game wrong”

[cerulean sable]

"Its just not for you"

[still owl]

I’m super excited to hear future elden ring criticism, though honestly the criticism came in faster than I expected

[cerulean sable]

even your favorite games can never escape

but yeah you cant appeal to everyone

so my inbetween is TC will just appeal to a bit more of what they can without alienating what their vision was in the first place

[still owl]

I’d rather have devs make strange decisions if they think it’s best for their own vision. Makes for more varied games overall mechanics wise. People hated P5, and I hope TC does something like it again, with another tangible reward.

[fiery coral]

from what I've heard it's standard open world problems + balancing issues

[ocean mulch]

HK isn't even that hard

[still owl]

I did really like Elden Ring’s solution for this actually, the revive statues

[ember socket]

Elden Ring

[elfin swift]

i know tc mentioned they genuinely don't mean the boss run's to be punishing, and hoped they could be seen as just part of the boss run, but i also really enjoyed the feel pf the stakes of marika, especially for the harder bosses

[fiery coral]

Going to guess they quit at Soul Master/ Mantis Lords, both those runbacks were very annoying for me at least

[elfin swift]

placidusax's boss run was long but perfectly tolerable to me, anything past that wouldve had me fuming

[fiery coral]

honestly I don't mind boss runbacks as long as there aren't too many enemies

[shy kiln]

And hence proved better than

[still owl]

For ER it could work better because the bosses are more demanding.
(And are longer)

[cerulean sable]

surprisingly HK isnt that high up on the most voted post in this thread, that goes to Nier, Halo, BOTW, RDR2 and Witcher 3 (as usual lmao)

but yeah other criticisms i see was the bland and bleak the environment is and how boring it is early game but like i said, the boring part is different for each people, with some saying they love the slow start

[fiery coral]

I've heard complaints about ||Maliketh||'s runback which personally I can't say I share

SIR ALONNE THOUGH

GOOD LORD SIR ALONNE

[still owl]

I’m a little surprised that RDR2 is high up on there.