sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

Counterpoint

[olive bobcat]

I raise you

[cunning geode]

what

[cunning geode]

Pokemon < Mortasheen 👹

(imo)

[olive bobcat]

I once tricked a bunch of Japanese shiny hunters with this around BDSP's release

[opaque sigil]

tbf it's not hard to be better than pokemon

pokemon isn't that good

[cunning geode]

aye, Pokemon's biggest strengths are its marketing and its variable designs, allowing almost anyone to have one or more monsters that click with them

[opaque sigil]

It was good for like 20 years ago, maybe

[olive bobcat]

Back in my day, Pokemon had that effort put into it... nowadays it's just "battle frontier" this and "regional gimmick" that.

[opaque sigil]

Series has been stagnant for a good while

[olive bobcat]

Ever since XY tbh... 8 years ago...

[cunning geode]

i keep up to date on the monster designs but i hear the state of the games from elsewhere online

or my friends

[heavy jay]

hornet void confirmed

[cunning geode]

you really want attention dont you

[opaque sigil]

tbh I don't really see the difference. Yeah the recent games were meh, but they were meh in similar ways to all the other pokemon games

[split tide]

Don’t we all

[heavy jay]

who me because yes

[split tide]

Isn’t everything we do for the attention of others

[heavy jay]

i want people to start debating

[split tide]

Including ourselves

[cunning geode]

i guess the issue then is that in all this time the "pokemon formula" has not been greatly improved now that they have literally all the money they could ever want

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that's exactly the problem

[cunning geode]

yup

[olive bobcat]

What I personally dislike about the new games (gens 6-8) compared to previous games is that they have far less content, and overall feel sloppier. I'm also not a fan of the generational gimmicks, I think megas were a perfect evolution that could've lasted up to gen 8 at least.

[cunning geode]

yeah that confused me too

[opaque sigil]

New game does seem to at least try to do something new

[olive bobcat]

I think the Pokemon formula works fine as long as they shake up other aspects of the games

[cunning geode]

the gigantomax mechanic also causes some pokemon to feel incomplete without that mechanic

since they were designed with a kaiju form in mind

but clearly they arent gonna bring that back

[olive bobcat]

For a good while it's been the same gym challenge with an evil team you battle before gym 8 or something, who want to take over the world yada yada
Gen 7 changed the gyms a bit but from what I've seen it's mostly the same

It works but it's repetitive

[opaque sigil]

Honestly I thought sun/moon was one of the better games

And the z-moves seemed pretty appropriate mechanically as a one-off heavy hit

[olive bobcat]

I haven't played it but I've heard mostly negative sentiments from it

[cunning geode]

clearly you should be playing Last Armageddon for cutting edge RPG/Monster-Team gameplay

[opaque sigil]

I have ni no kuni familiars and that's all I need

[olive bobcat]

One viewpoint I saw on the 2D vs 3D debate I thought was pretty interesting is how the styles differ in how they impress the player

[cunning geode]

||last armageddon is from 1988||

||and its crappy||

[olive bobcat]

Basically, with the 2D games, there's a lot more room to go outside the box and surprise the player with cool cutscenes or in-game events

[opaque sigil]

For pokemon the 2d/3d thing is really just aesthetic, it has no real bearing on mechanics

[olive bobcat]

In the 3D games, stuff like Z-Moves and Gigantamax look cool but are to be expected

It's got no bearing on mechanics, but a game like Pokemon needs more than just mechanics

[opaque sigil]

3D also is more permissive of big environments since it's easier to get your bearings, but pokemon games haven't generally utilized that

[olive bobcat]

That's why people don't like the map of Galar, it's functionally sound but holy shit is it inconsistent

[opaque sigil]

Like the wild zone did and that's about it

Honestly sword shield kinda felt like a transitional thing

[serene chasm]

IMO if you are going to do 3d you need to commit to making the pokemon feel more grounded in the world theyre in.

[opaque sigil]

Like they were trying to modernize the series but just sorta got halfway there

[olive bobcat]

I know it's not gonna happen cause big business stuff and whatnot, but I'd love for Pokemon to just not release a game for like 3-5 years and pour a lot of heart and soul into one big game

[opaque sigil]

Sure, that's a good way to go

Things like weather effects on pokemon spawning is an example of making them ostensibly more natural

[olive bobcat]

Yeah that stuff would be cool

Like if rain brought out more bug types (stuff like Wurmple or Caterpie) and water types

[opaque sigil]

Have y'all been keeping up with the stuff about the new entry? imo it seems to have some real promise

[olive bobcat]

It's definitely interesting, but I'm just gonna watch instead of buying

[opaque sigil]

Like ik there's been skepticism but it seems like a step in the right direction

[serene chasm]

Yeah stuff like that. In the new pokemon game, do herd pokemon (like say ponytas) travel in heards

[olive bobcat]

Yeah that'd be cool

Something I was thinking about was something similar to Legends: Arceus where you explore an open world region and kinda start a town or something

[opaque sigil]

Pokemon with like subnautica levels of animalistic behavior would be awesome

Very much not doable, but awesome

[olive bobcat]

Imagine protecting a stronghold in the wild using Golurks

[serene chasm]

Replace a Leviathan with Gyrados

[opaque sigil]

Terrifying

[olive bobcat]

It didn't get very far but the idea of "open world Pokemon with town building" was kinda neat to me

I might go a bit into it again, try covering some bases Arceus doesn't

[opaque sigil]

"Open world pokemon" is such an oxymoron, that series is one of the most stupidly arbitrarily limiting

[serene chasm]

Pokemon Valley. You live your life as a Berry Farmer but also train pokemon

[mint valve]

Strange. simo made name 382 days until a few min ago and changed it

[serene chasm]

Dont read into it.

[cunning geode]

nice ping 👹

[opaque sigil]

It was a joke in response to something Powdered said

Making it a ghost ping is even worse

[cunning geode]

wouldn't it be a funny joke if the game actually came out in 382 days

[olive bobcat]

I feel like Pokemon as a broad concept works for it, "catching weird creatures"

[mint valve]

thank goodness. Theres still chance for SS 2022 Feb

Sorry Simo

[opaque sigil]

As a concept yeah but just not in terms of what the series is and has been

[olive bobcat]

Tbf the current series model wasn't really built to last

[opaque sigil]

No, but it did

[olive bobcat]

True

[opaque sigil]

It's hardly a secret that the design is antiquated but that didn't exactly stop them from just continuing to adhere to it

Largely imo because they benefit from nostalgia and absurd name recognition

[olive bobcat]

I'd be totally interested in a game about the Pokemon wildlife and Pokemon that adhere to their Pokedex entries

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but that would have to be on a pretty small scale to be feasible

[olive bobcat]

Legends: Arceus seems to tap into this a fair bit but it's not quite what I mean

[opaque sigil]

Like pick a couple dozen pokemon at most and just really nail down the behaviors

Or there may well be a serviceable middle ground

[vivid belfry]

hey chat didyou hear about that new silksong leak and it's coming out in month or whatever

[olive bobcat]

I think it'd be like one main gimmick with each Pokemon then maybe add some small stuff, maybe a pool of like 200 Pokemon at most

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-become-the-very-thing-you-swore-to-destroy-obi-wan-swore-gif-19009891

[vivid belfry]

no it's real my uncle is a cereal box top

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that could work although I expect the believability would fall apart fairly quickly

[olive bobcat]

Like how apparently Sigilyph follows the same pattern every day, so make them do that

[cunning geode]

lets follow Sigilyph on its daily grind to the office and back

[olive bobcat]

What a man

[opaque sigil]

Yes it's sloppy. Cope

[radiant wraith]

Did you just say cope?

[olive bobcat]

Mald even

[gilded adder]

Seethe

[mint valve]

what office department?

[opaque sigil]

psychic

[olive bobcat]

Imagine if you had a camp set up and Hoopa started stealing from you

[cunning geode]

where is my pokemon sitcom but each type is just a different field of work in society

[serene chasm]

Everyone Loves Rayquaza

[olive bobcat]

Poketopia

We need more Bug + Fairy types

[cunning geode]

is this already a real thing or was that just a made up name

[opaque sigil]

Is cutiefly the only one?

[mint valve]

Like mii topia or bot topia

[olive bobcat]

Made up, Zootopia but Pokemon types

[gilded adder]

It's Always Sunny in Pallet Town

[cunning geode]

yeah i figured

[olive bobcat]

Afaik yeah

[opaque sigil]

Kinda makes sense ig since it's a newish type

[olive bobcat]

Yep they are

Fairy really likes to go with Dark and Steel

[opaque sigil]

There should probably be more fairy types overall, even if the intent is for it to be a rarer type

[olive bobcat]

Apparently fairy is a really strong type

[vivid belfry]

hello Jonny

[opaque sigil]

It is but it seems disproportionately rare

[olive bobcat]

I remember back when fairy types were first introduced, shit was cool

[cunning geode]

Ghost was also rare at first 👹

[opaque sigil]

Fairy and Dragon both seem to occupy this spot of rare but strong

[olive bobcat]

Yeah

[olive bobcat]

It's been 8 years Wombat

[cunning geode]

only 8?

[gilded adder]

Grover

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[opaque sigil]

It's weird to wake up one day and realize that shit happened like 10 years ago and you remember it

[olive bobcat]

B2W2 came out 10 years ago and I still play them

[opaque sigil]

That's not weird

I regularly play like 15-20 year old games. What's weird is realizing how much time has passed

[olive bobcat]

True

[shell yacht]

or 25 yrs ago

[vivid belfry]

I've started watching One Piece

also I'm covid positive

[cunning geode]

ah shit

hope you get better

[vivid belfry]

I've gotten better

I'm just going to have some delays with work procedures

[opaque sigil]

Is one piece good?

[shell yacht]

fuck, get better dude

[shell yacht]

[gilded adder]

Haven't touched One Piece. Also, I hope you're doing okay and get better soon.

[vivid belfry]

all my symptoms are gone other than mild chest congestion

[soft saffron]

At least you’ll have extra time to watch one piece

[vivid belfry]

I cough approximately once per hour

[opaque sigil]

Congestion is annoying but that's about the extent of it generally

[vivid belfry]

first day was rough chills, but not the worst chills I've ever gotten while sick

during college I once couldn't leave my bed even with my heater on full blast

[opaque sigil]

ouch

[shell yacht]

OP is just|| a giant drag of an anime, forget filler its still like 700 eps. idk if theres an end in sight and theyre in the thousands now ||

[gilded adder]

Yea, I know what bad chills are like. I was once freezing cold in summer and literally shaking, was not fun.

[soft saffron]

I’ve never watched it

[vivid belfry]

One Piece is alright so far, I like the characters

and since as I understand it, OP is just a fucking massive road trip movie, that's probably good enough

[gilded adder]

I heard the manga is the way to go, cuts a lot of the filler.

[soft saffron]

Which means the anime adds the filler

[shell yacht]

power system is weird but easy to follow. some power creep but not DBZ bad

[opaque sigil]

Honestly I'm kinda down with a ridiculously long series, I don't really mind filler since I often like to kinda half pay attention to things

[shell yacht]

anime always adds filler you would never need filler without anime outpacing source material

[vivid belfry]

Devil Fruits, Stands, Quirks, Demon Blood Arts, what's the difference

[shell yacht]

the pudding

[gilded adder]

To be fair, not every anime adds filler, or at least not as much as some other ones, like long running shonen manga/anime.

[vivid belfry]

The Promised Neverland anime does the opposite of adding filler

[soft saffron]

Yah most other anime cut stuff

[shell yacht]

some do pacing well.
absolutely nobody knows how to wait for acompleted manga before adapting something

[shell yacht]

that literally drove me nuts they had no reason for that nonsense

[soft saffron]

Lol yah Naruto had a real filler problem.

[vivid belfry]

I mean, nobody adapts completed manga because part of the reason for the anime adaptation is to drive hype for the publication

[shell yacht]

[gilded adder]

Just do what Mob Psycho 100 did and adapt the manga in short bursts, a season at a time and wait some years in between seasons and now the manga is finished and they announced season 3 so everything is gucci and the pacing is perfect.

[shell yacht]

meanwhile

HxH

Beserk

Bleach

Soul Eater

[soft saffron]

God mob pyscho is so good

But it was a webcomic so shorter to adapt.

[gilded adder]

Mob Psycho 100 is one of my favorites. I love it.

[split tide]

It’s great

[shell yacht]

great universe great characters great animation

boppin op

[gilded adder]

TWO boppin ops

[shell yacht]

yeah bitch lets count to 100!

[soft saffron]

I hope Season 3 is great also

[gilded adder]

Reigen arc

[shell yacht]

[gilded adder]

As someone who read the manga and finished it, it will be the best one.

In terms of content at least

[soft saffron]

I’m hyped

[gilded adder]

Same, need to see the final arc animated in all its glory

[shell yacht]

Bleach

[gilded adder]

Also, speaking of HxH, I don't think we'll ever get a continuation of the anime tbh. The anime already ended on a good spot and the manga is up in the air for the forseeable future. It's sad but it's reality.

[soft saffron]

Silksong will release when hxh updates.

[cunning geode]

Dorohedoro was nice

[shell yacht]

like 4 HxH VA died

[soft saffron]

Just remake it again

[shell yacht]

very odd but good

[gilded adder]

I read a bit of the manga before the anime came out, remember it being a fun time.

[cunning geode]

casual murder is a mainstay in dorohedoro

[soft saffron]

The only manga I ever read was opm due to season 2 hurting.

[gilded adder]

SSSS. Dynazenon was probably my favorite anime of last year though, big fan of tokusatsu mecha action.

[hearty kite]

silk song will release when one piece ends

[gilded adder]

I'm reading the web comic for OPM right now. I watched the first season of the anime when it came out but never the second. It's a fun time so far.

[soft saffron]

Yah I enjoyed it

[mint valve]

I found out TC got a small house/office in adelaide
The HK/SS community wanting news: 14 sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5JKXbhtSY8

Hello?

[agile herald]

You fell off

[mint valve]

Man...

I guess everyones off to adelaide

Can mods/admins share information of SS or no?

[long nimbus]

…+ratio

Imagine they just reveal the entire game

[mint valve]

Well I like to go into things blind. I would probably leave discord for 2 weeks if SS came out

[digital mural]

Wouldn’t u need to avoid YouTube and other social medias

[mint valve]

probably

[chilly nexus]

MilkSong

[mellow cliff]

🥛 🎶

[digital mural]

CheeseMelody

[tawdry valley]

Mods don’t have bonus info on the game lol

But @fiery coral gets access to the blogpost content 4 months in advance because they need to pick the font for the site as well as make sure every gif is compressed enough times

[serene chasm]

People are gonna believe you

[split tide]

Poor unique

[tawdry valley]

If someone feels misled, tricked, or manipulated in any way by the above message, I would like to sincerely apologize for the fact you deserve it

[split tide]

What if unique feels manipulated due to hundreds of DMs spammed at them

[tawdry valley]

@fiery coral

[pure notch]

I think game will come by 2023. But late 2022 release date is also possible

[left basin]

[pure notch]

[tribal schooner]

Wat a savage

[left basin]

song

[mint valve]

oh okay

[odd plover]

I feel misled, tricked and manipulated by this message

[split tide]

clearly you deserve it

[odd plover]

Ratio

[split tide]

cope seethe etc.

[mint valve]

Whenever I watch the SS announcement trailer I just get sad

[odd plover]

don't care + didn't ask + you're white + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your're a (insert stereotype)

The message originally reached the discord cap so I had to severely shorten it

[odd plover]

I get sad but replace the s with an h and put an r before the d

I feel hardppy

(I'm dyslexic)

[mint valve]

oooohhhhhhh

sorry

[odd plover]

You better be

[mint valve]

I've done a study on florida men recently. they love there dog, they use alligators as weapons, fight alligators, has alligator as illegal pet, and they do crazy things

[fleet sequoia]

Florida men are known for attacking innocent Russian civilians on their daily bear rides

[mint valve]

Aggressive Alligator VS peaceful bear

Of course when most discord users are gone the two admins are both on

See. no one here

on one...

Hello? anyone?

[agile kelp]

Yeah?

Wow this chat feels like an empty long hallway

[mint valve]

thank goodness. I thought I was really alone

[prime vapor]

Hi

[agile kelp]

Hi

[mint valve]

To me it feels like the wilderness and we've all huddled around a fire.

[mint valve]

hey

[agile kelp]

Thats nice
With the occasional mod who happens to know the location of every single campfire who is always watching at a distance
Always

[mint valve]

Well I can tell you the next camp fire is a long ways away ( at least SS news )

Good knight

[agile kelp]

Yes
But soon we'll see the next camp fire ss server

[summer hatch]

imagine you lose power or internet the day silksong comes out as your buying it

[prime vapor]

No great deal honestly, ill drop to a friend's or wait for power to come back

Had no problem waiting 2 weeks more to play dr ch2

[digital mural]

Silksong!

[prime vapor]

Ok

[short wagon]

Daily Question: When will SilkSong go on sale?

[plain loom]

Probably more than a year after release

[coarse leaf]

These daily messages are gonna get annoying

[plain loom]

Isn’t this whole channel supposed to be annoying?

[coarse leaf]

No, it's supposed to be controversial, political, filled with crime

[copper knot]

based and redpilled

[short wagon]

Isn't this channel about SS

[digital mural]

Silksong when?

[coarse leaf]

No satan shut up 😡 We are not based on mom

[stoic path]

Welp, we are closing in on February already, how are you guys feeling about Silknews?

[short wagon]

Wait for Nintendo to look forward to silkSong's launch date

[hushed iron]

I really hope in the next Nintendo direct :D

[tight kelp]

Not very hopeful. Probably gonna be summer before any news comes at all

[rotund yoke]

Holy crap

I just watched inferno king Grimm

[coarse leaf]

i hope i get to watch people burn

burn in agony

[fiery coral]

don't blow my cover for goodness' sake

what

[wheat sail]

nothing

[fiery coral]

I'd say that falls under the NSFL category

[wheat sail]

my b

[copper knot]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[split tide]

the agony of thorns

[coarse leaf]

did someone say burning people alive?

[fiery coral]

DDX is letting out my secrets, that's all

[chilly nexus]

@cerulean sable can you mute me for an hour or two

[modest night]

???

[fiery coral]

why do you want to be muted

[modest night]

why did you ping ttacco in particular

[chilly nexus]

cuz we're buds

[chilly nexus]

it's a secret 👀

[modest night]

then you can't be muted

your loss

[chilly nexus]

I'm down to befriend more folks!

[modest night]

i don't need to be your friend to mute you if you have a good reason

[chilly nexus]

I unfortunately can't make my reason publicly known so will self-mute for now

[modest night]

you could just dm it idk

[alpine zephyr]

Morning

[serene patrol]

So uhh

February gang?

[fiery coral]

good morning Enthos

[alpine zephyr]

Morning how are you

[left basin]

[carmine sapphire]

[fiery coral]

I'm doing good, how are you

[carmine sapphire]

wrong awnser bruh

[alpine zephyr]

I’m doing decent to be honest feel a lot better than yesterday the colds gone so woo

[left basin]

Wait do people really think that we are gonna get news in February

[narrow lava]

member december gang?

[left basin]

Ok apparently not

[fiery coral]

[alpine zephyr]

Ye

I’m going to see Spider-Man today

[chilly nexus]

I was sadly originally August 10th 2019 gang

'twill be ok though

SS will come in all its glory, to judge the living and the dead, soon enough

[carmine sapphire]

i am summer 2022 gang for ss

[serene patrol]

I am ... uhh batman

I know we're just speculating and there is an argument where "oh the nintendo direct isnt big enough for the ss reveal" then what is?

Like what sort of event would reveal it is my question

[fiery coral]

Summer Game Fest, perhaps?

E3's all but gone, for this year at least

[serene patrol]

All but gone?

[small goblet]

oh is it officially confirmed now?

[fiery coral]

read reports of it being a mess and its probable cancellation

who knows

[serene patrol]

Oohh damn they cancelling e3 ???

[small goblet]

quite possibly, not officially afaik

[serene patrol]

Oh ok thats unfortunate

[fiery coral]

if it's not cancelled then there's a chance yeah

[serene patrol]

Ss first then crowsworn rite?

[fiery coral]

should certainly hope so 🥴

Crowsworn wouldn't be a very large game if it did

considering it was in Kickstarter when SS had like what, 2-3 years of development?

forgot when the kickstarter trailer for CS came out

[carmine sapphire]

i backed fnf and cs cuz i love em both

and i would back hk too but i was too young when that happend lol

[mellow cliff]

I think July 2021?

[brittle garnet]

Ye

[frank hull]

excuse my lack of knowledge but what is CS?

[stark estuary]

Crowsworn

[split tide]

Compsci

[small goblet]

counter strike global offensive how can you not know this

[distant crypt]

Bruh

[turbid agate]

https://opensea.io/assets/matic/0x2953399124f0cbb46d2cbacd8a89cf0599974963/70930693300946963122304918593936063138056492140750617250249127633556263141377/

[sinful flare]

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+cs+stand+for

[last ravine]

Hi guys

[small goblet]

[last ravine]

I found this funny and I thought I'd share it with you:

"On February 2nd we should kill ourselves as a sign of protest"

[opaque sigil]

Suicide jokes aren't really funny but ok

[bleak scarab]

For what tho

Sacrifice to please our gods Team Cherry?

[dry eagle]

If silksong isn’t out

Cause there was a leak on steam or something for feb 1st but it’s almost certainly just a placeholder date

[split tide]

The apocalypse shall arrive

[digital mural]

silksong!

[sinful flare]

If silksong doesnt release on february 2nd i will play dont starve together like any other day

[weary elm]

guys did you know ss is militarized corps that was the elite guard of the German Nazi party and its main instrument of control

[last ravine]

From what I've been told, the source of the leak is accurate and we can trust it. I don't know

[split tide]

Nope

[weary elm]

i found it on google

[dry eagle]

Could come out in feb caus HK came out in feb and so did the SS trailer, but with no new news then most likely it’ll be out later this year or at the end of feb

[split tide]

The nvidia leak is not solid evidence

[dry eagle]

HK came out on feb 24th and SS trailer was 14th feb so later in the month is possible

[ocean shuttle]

It might not even come out this year, remember elden ring is releasing this year^^

[dry eagle]

Yh I guess

[opaque sigil]

It'll be out when it's out. Most likely, there won't be a good way to predict it until it actually gets announced

[ocean shuttle]

Elden ring is too much competition to silksong

[small goblet]

so either 4th feb or 34th feb?

[opaque sigil]

ER is very much not too much competition, the industry is big enough to have multiple games release in a year

People can also play both games, and the games have different audiences (ER and SS are even on different platforms)

[split tide]

Yeah and I see silksong as something that’ll also continue to sell well in the future too if it’s as good as hollow knight

[opaque sigil]

If HK is any indication, definitely

[digital mural]

the hornet in silksong is actually a imposter

[dry eagle]

the placeholder date was 1st feb 2022 so even if it isn’t accurate they may have put “1st” because they didn’t know when in the month, I 100% think that 2022 makes sense though

SS fans when it turns out to be a partner game with EA

[brittle garnet]

I mean sure it 'makes sense' but it could still not happen

[dry eagle]

Yh

[ocean shuttle]

Yet ss will be souls-like, so inevitably people are forced to chose to either buy ss or er, i don’t know if tc wan’t to take the risk of less sales and being overshadowed by er

[digital mural]

wat if team cherry decides to be quirky and make no sense by releasing ss on 16th december

[dry eagle]

that’d be a pain

[opaque sigil]

The games are not the same genre, one is a 2d platformer/metroidvania, the other is an open world arpg

People can also play two games

[ocean shuttle]

It literally does not matter at all

[last ravine]

That's the way I see it as well

[opaque sigil]

TC can't realistically wait for a year with no AAA releases

[ocean shuttle]

Er will be really expensive btw, not everyone will buy both games at the same time + it’s a risk

[digital mural]

just cancel culture every other game so silksong will be more succesful

[opaque sigil]

People don't have to buy both at the same time and SS will be much cheaper

[split tide]

I mean any game will have to compete with elden ring then

[ocean shuttle]

Elden ring is AAA lol?

[dry eagle]

I still think that most likely is sometime in like June to august cause feb is so soon and with no news recently it’d be weird to realise it out of the blue all of a sudden

[opaque sigil]

No matter when SS releases other games will always exist

[ocean shuttle]

^^^

[opaque sigil]

Yes, it is

[split tide]

Yeah I don’t think there’s any best time to release it based solely on what other games are releasing

[dry eagle]

and Later in the year gives them time to build up more hype to get back all the excitement from people who kinda gave up on waiting

[opaque sigil]

That won't really take much time

[dry eagle]

I guess

[opaque sigil]

A release trailer alone would probably do it

[split tide]

Yeah

SS is still fifth in steam wishlist, and second for games without a release date

[dry eagle]

But 1st feb seems way to early seeing as it is only 10 days away and we have no new news

maybe earliest end of feb

[ocean shuttle]

It’s about competition and taking risks, other major game releases are a big factor in determining whether to take these risks or not, ER was more anticipated then SS. I seriously don’t believe that TC would wan’t to take a risk of majorly diminished profits and sales, it’s just how business works fam

[split tide]

It wouldn’t take too long for hype to resurface after an announcement

[dry eagle]

Like for example the official skywalker saga release date was revealed 3 and a half months before it comes out

[opaque sigil]

HK released a few weeks off of botw

[split tide]

I mean the question is if there does exist a period where there isn’t another highly anticipated game set to release too, not just elden ring

[ocean shuttle]

Besides, if it’s releasing in february there should’ve been a trailer yet

[opaque sigil]

And a period to which anticipated releases will not be set

[dry eagle]

Yeah that’s kinda what I mean with it being too early after no news

[ocean shuttle]

Yes, literally next year or late 2022

[small goblet]

what's the first game without release date then?

[split tide]

Like there’s always going to be a new cyberpunk or mario odyssey or whatever too

[opaque sigil]

Late 2022 botw, probably among others, 2023 will have things too

[cerulean sable]

Me when

someone post another shitty proof that SS is coming and the comments are always dumbfucks doing the same "time to put on the clown", "please, dont give us hope" and or "silksong isnt real" messages

[digital mural]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-gif-17401381

[opaque sigil]

The industry isn't so miniscule that the release of one moderately significant game puts a chokehold on it and nobody else can reasonably release anything for like half a year

That just isn't true

[ocean shuttle]

Actually that’s what most game studios do

A real shit ton of them, they avoid realeasing their game the same time another major game is releasing

[dry eagle]

there are always gonna be new things and with the amount of excitement for SS I think this year is pretty good, that being said we don’t have much reason to think this year over any other year other than the most likely placeholder date of 1st feb 2022

[small goblet]

dude i think it's time to put on the clown, but please don't give us hope, and btw - silksong isn't real

[ocean shuttle]

[opaque sigil]

At the same time, maybe. A year is a long time, more than enough

[bleak scarab]

When the biography of how Taco went insane comes out this will be in it

[opaque sigil]

And again, people can buy two games, and SS has an audience independent of ER

[ocean shuttle]

Yeah, that’s why i think SS is releasing either late 2022 or at the start of 2023

[opaque sigil]

Late 2022 will have botw 2

[ocean shuttle]

Maybe after mid 2022

[split tide]

Yeah better question is if there’s major audience overlap, and I’m not so sure about that either

Admittedly this is more of a stats question

[opaque sigil]

They are on different platforms

[ocean shuttle]

No confirmed release date btw

[last ravine]

Does anybody here have experience working in the game industry? I'm asking because I want to know if what is going on with Team Cherry and Silksong is normal or not

[opaque sigil]

SS is on switch, ER isn't

SS is cheap, ER isn't

[split tide]

Ah true that simplifies things

[opaque sigil]

SS is a platformer, ER isn't

[digital mural]

how much is silksong

[ocean shuttle]

HK sales - 2 Mil, Dark souls - 27 Milion

[opaque sigil]

Probably $15, maybe $20

[last ravine]

HK actually sold 3M

[dry eagle]

Late 2022 makes sense but we can’t get two exited cause people have said this same stuff last year as well, however this time their placeholder date makes you think if they were gonna guess a date to put in as placeholder you would probably get that same year as the actual date, otherwise why would you not just put it as really far in the future

[ocean shuttle]

Now imagine elden ring sales and popularity , considering how anticipated it is

[opaque sigil]

HK sales are much higher than that, and the 27 million is a whole series, not a game. HK is also an indie and does not need to sell as much

[ocean shuttle]

Doesn’t change much

[opaque sigil]

HK sales are probably around 5 mil by now, it was 3 mil in early 2019

[signal crag]

HK is still a very successful game all around

[opaque sigil]

The argument that a singular indie game sold less than an entire AAA series is silly

[dry eagle]

Probably around £15 - £20 because hollow knight is £10 on steam (on sale at £5) and silksong looks to be a much bigger game

[ocean shuttle]

True, but so are all fromsoft games

[digital mural]

convert that to australian dollars pls

[opaque sigil]

Multiple successful games can exist, it's a big industry

[dry eagle]

Man idk lemme check brb

[split tide]

It’s probably 5-6 mil HK copies now

[last ravine]

Like 20€/$18

[ocean shuttle]

Idk i’m not arguing anymore u seem to fail to grasp the most basic concepts of capitalism

Goodbye

[opaque sigil]

[split tide]

Well that was eventful

[dry eagle]

I think £15 is about 25 Canadian dollars and 20 is like 34 Canadian dollars and I £15 - £20 is likely, might be wrong though I used a conversion thing online

[brittle garnet]

the thing to understand is that the gaming sphere is not one big homogenous audience. The people that buy ER and the people that will buy Silksong aren't necessarily the same people.
The vast majority of 'gamers' are people that own just a console and play only the most popular AAA releases, and the people that play Indie games are a very small subset of people that play games.

[split tide]

In any case we don’t know how far along SS is in development so this is all a bit moot anyways

For all we know they don’t have a good product to sell yet in Feb

[opaque sigil]

The conversation about ER specifically is pretty much moot but the same thing applies to other AAA releases too

[ocean shuttle]

👍

[split tide]

Yeah I can see the more general argument

[brittle garnet]

If you ever hang around gaming communities you will know that very few people have ever heard about Hollow Knight, those people probably wouldn't buy Silksong even if it came out in an empty window.

[mental tree]

the game is not coming next month.

[opaque sigil]

Indies rely on having a different audience to AAAs, they will never be able to outpublicize them, and that's fine

[ocean shuttle]

👍

[small goblet]

how would you know

[mental tree]

this is just not true

[burnt topaz]

they dont, thats what for all we know means

[ocean shuttle]

👍

[mental tree]

plenty ppl know about hollow knight

[split tide]

Depends on which community

[opaque sigil]

HK is well known for an indie

[brittle garnet]

well of course that kinda depends on the community but in most gaming spheres I've been in finding a person who knows HK is pretty rare

[split tide]

Like the starcraft/dota people would barely know about HK

[opaque sigil]

Indie savvy gamers will know about HK, but that doesn't mean most people do

[ocean shuttle]

DOTA STARCRAFT

[last ravine]

But if the trailer was released in February 2019, it must be beyond finished by now...

[crisp drift]

I wonder where did the term indie from

[ocean shuttle]

What is that

[split tide]

Same for any other big community around some very different game

[ocean shuttle]

WHAT IS THAT

[mental tree]

I moderate a large gaming community. Lots of ppl know about it. Obviously it can't be compared to something like fortnite but it's an indie game

[digital mural]

i remember someone on roblox had a hollow knight avatar

[brittle garnet]

Oh, what game?

Or is it non-specific?

[mental tree]

non-specific

[brittle garnet]

I see. I mostly hang out in game-specific ones. I've noticed that for example a disproportional amount of people in Risk of Rain servers are fans of Hollow Knight too

[split tide]

Yeah it very much depends on the community

[last ravine]

I first started in the Metroidvania genre with HK

[brittle garnet]

also, not gonna lie, people that join non-specific gaming communities are already the minority, most people don't get that involved

[mental tree]

?

[split tide]

Yeah I think a lot of people focus on one or two games

Not many people have time for a dozen

[brittle garnet]

People that hang around the gaming sphere a lot will probably have heard of Hollow Knight, but people that just play a few games and only join the communities for those games are a lot more common than people that care about gaming as a whole

[split tide]

Or money

[ocean shuttle]

@opaque sigil do you want go bet out of 10€ about ss release i kinda need money rn

[opaque sigil]

no

[ocean shuttle]

[split tide]

I’m sure there’s someone who’ll take your bet

[ocean shuttle]

[mental tree]

Well sure there are ppl who only play specific games. They would have less likely heard of hollow knight unless they're into metroidvanias, that's true.

[ocean shuttle]

Is that a proposal?

[brittle garnet]

those people are the vast majority

People that actively search for games to play and care about discovering different games instead of just buying what's most popular are in the minority.

[ocean shuttle]

Who

[last ravine]

That's me heheh

[ocean shuttle]

DM’s please

[brittle garnet]

So like, I'm fairly certain that the overlap between ER customers and SS customers isn't very big

[digital mural]

omg minecraft is silksong ripp off!!!!!!

[ocean shuttle]

^^^

[sinful flare]

^^^

[mental tree]

Well yeah I can't deny that. Games like fortnite and cod and what else are hugely popular and lots of those gamers don't take the time to look elsewhere. Kinda boring way to play games but each to their own.

[ocean shuttle]

I like you, you are cool

[opaque sigil]

And even if it is, people who have been waiting aren't going to just forget about SS, even if they play ER first they could buy SS after

[brittle garnet]

it's like, a big portion of people who want to play SS also wanna play ER, but the reverse isn't true

[sinful flare]

I like people named team cherry

[brittle garnet]

so it's not really competition, and people that wanna play SS will likely play it anyway

[digital mural]

ty ty 💃

[burnt topaz]

Silksong doesn't need to have 1m copies sold on the first day

[brittle garnet]

also SS will be cheaper so there's that

[sinful flare]

Huh

[burnt topaz]

Like it's not going away after the first week

[brittle garnet]

reminder that HK released like 4 days before Breath of the Wild

[mental tree]

Silksong isn't competing with big AAA publishers

[ocean shuttle]

Who is breath of the wild that guy naughty af

[mental tree]

It will sell well for what it is. I really hope it comes out this year

[digital mural]

ikr
💅 🥱 🤚

[last ravine]

True. Plus, I don't think TC is desperately after money. I feel like they care more about the quality of their product

[opaque sigil]

SS has a significant audience that is pretty much guaranteed

It would be hard, if not impossible, for it not to sell well

[split tide]

Yeah it’ll probably have tens of thousands of sales daily for like a week or something

It’s wishlisted by a lot, and regaining hype won’t be too hard after a proper release trailer

[brittle garnet]

also day 1 sales aren't as important for indie games as they are for AAA publishers who spend millions on the game

[ocean shuttle]

You know theory of relativity, how time is relative? If there is absolutely no matter and energy left in the universe, only particles, time is not relative to anything and so a month is the same as 1 billion years, by the time SS releases all matter and energy will be gone and thus it doesn’t matter if ss releases in February, because february will both take 1Mil years and 1Second so theoretically SS has already released

You’re welcome for the physics lesson

[opaque sigil]

Longevity is a big deal, yeah, and the style of game that HK was (and SS presumably is) is very permissive of longevity

Cheap, hand-drawn graphics that don't get dated

[fiery coral]

I mean regardless, if an indie dev is faced with the choice of 'do I want to release my game in the market at the same time as a AAA behemoth and potentially risk some attention being drawn away from it' or 'do I want to release my game at a time when the gaming market isn't as busy and all eyes can be on my game', it seems obvious to me what said dev would go for 🥴

[ocean shuttle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^i love you

[opaque sigil]

Except the attention that the behemoth would get is attention that would never go to the indie dev anyways

[fiery coral]

like, sure, maybe it won't actually hurt sales as much as one might fear, but if you have a safer option why not take it

[ocean shuttle]

^^^^*^^^^^^

[carmine sapphire]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[opaque sigil]

Because the market is never going to be perfect

[fiery coral]

doesn't have to be perfect

[mental tree]

The february release date was just a placeholder in a nvidia database. It shouldn't really be taken seriously. Unless I've missed something.

[split tide]

can we not completely mangle physics to make an unrelated point

[fiery coral]

one option is safer than the other

[opaque sigil]

Barely

[fiery coral]

Nah ER is just being taken as an example

[ocean shuttle]

^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^

[fiery coral]

Discussion is more considering a general AAA title

[opaque sigil]

It's not like indies that release in timeframes without AAAs necessarily are successful, the industry still doesn't pay much attention

[digital mural]

ss = so silly

[fiery coral]

then why would you risk further reducing that attention

[distant saddle]

Bruh someone @ ed me and i got so excited

[opaque sigil]

Because it's not a significant reduction

[distant saddle]

Might cry

[opaque sigil]

It wouldn't be better if you waited. Indies are fundamentally reliant on a distinct audience

[fiery coral]

can't really know that for sure, can we

[digital mural]

almost everyone on vc is live

[opaque sigil]

And like Arch said day one sales aren't as vital

[ocean shuttle]

Who is that

[mental tree]

ah yeah well no they wouldn't move their release date for something like ER. But anyway I just hope we see Silksong at all this year. It's my second most anticipated game and been for a long time already.

[brittle garnet]

true, but in a hypothetical scenario where you had a finished game that you really wanna get out to the players, and you're faced with the choice of releasing or waiting for the steam from said AAA behemoth to blow over, which one would you choose?

[fiery coral]

Why wouldn't a developer try to maximise day one sales

[ocean shuttle]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[brittle garnet]

well, a publisher or marketer would. A developer wouldn't necessarily.

[opaque sigil]

No indie is ever going to compete with AAAs for day one sales no matter when it releases

That's just not feasible

[ocean shuttle]

By saying that you are helping out his argument do you understand that? No indie is going to compete with AAA so thats why it’s safer to release way later

[opaque sigil]

[mental tree]

It's an indie game. The day1 sales are going to be small regardless compared to some other games that gets marketed in the millions.

[opaque sigil]

No indie is going to have AAA level day one sales no matter when it gets released

Y'all are acting like indies follow the same paradigm as AAAs, they don't

[ocean shuttle]

HK

[split tide]

I feel like a better question is whether or not there exists a day such that an AAA won't overshadow an indie's release

[brittle garnet]

'they don't compete' not as in 'they don't have a chance in the competition' but as in 'they won't be competing at all'

[opaque sigil]

HK had a slow start

[brittle garnet]

yeah HK had a tiny audience when it released

[ocean shuttle]

Well thats just wrong idk

[fiery coral]

If said AAA behemoth is really close to release or has just released, then I'd choose to wait, yeah

[split tide]

since it feels like there's always some big AAA game nearby set to release

[opaque sigil]

Name an indie that had a AAA sized audience on release

It doesn't happen

[ocean shuttle]

Exactly lol

[opaque sigil]

You literally just said the opposite

[brittle garnet]

How long would that be?

[ocean shuttle]

So imagine further down reducing sales from that small audience

[opaque sigil]

[fiery coral]

I mean yeah an indie game won't have an AAA-scale audience or sales figures, but I still don't see why that would stop a developer from trying to maximise their own profits

[azure mural]

if this happened what will be your reaction? (the image is fake btw)

[opaque sigil]

Because that's not where the bulk of the profits lie

[burnt topaz]

Bullshit that's what I'd think

[split tide]

I would wonder if TC's account got hacked because they clicked on a free nitro link on twitter

[azure mural]

who will send free nitro links in twitter

[brittle garnet]

well, depends on the developers' priorities. This is what a marketer would certainly try to do, but as we know Silksong's marketer doesn't have the final say.

[fiery coral]

Doesn't have to be the bulk; if it's any significant amount at all I still think it's better to wait, personally

[azure mural]

my reaction will be like this

[merry heath]

i mean theres still crowsworn in that case, although no one knows when that'll actually release either

[azure mural]

yah

also there is death's door

its very good game

[brittle garnet]

I'm willing to bet that Crowsworn will miss its projected release estimate by a lot

[merry heath]

absolutely

[brittle garnet]

I dunno, I've heard very mixed opinions about Death's Door

[azure mural]

mad hk fans will call Crowsworn a "hollow knight ripoff"

[opaque sigil]

The indie sphere is a small subculture of gamers, and those people will likely notice SS, ER or no

[azure mural]

i also working in a 2d game

[ocean shuttle]

Riot games btw

[opaque sigil]

Riot games didn't buy TC

[azure mural]

i just start learning unity script
i'm doing great so far

[ocean shuttle]

Riot games isn’t a small indie company btw👍

With a small audience👍

[opaque sigil]

Irrelevant

[ocean shuttle]

Nope, Riot games is an indie company with a large audience, you said indie games have small audiences

It’s not irrelevant at all

[opaque sigil]

Indie games have small audiences relative to AAAs

[ocean shuttle]

Riot games have i think what is it? Largest audience in the entire world or something

[cerulean sable]

i will relish the fact the i can see 12 year olds cry their hearts out, SS will finally get defamed, and the Hollow Knight fandom will crumble within the month

no more Silknever, no more clown memes, no more unfunny memes and shitty jokes, theyll wander and drift, being absorbed with the rest of other annoying fandoms or wtv new indie game takes them all 😌

[opaque sigil]

Riot isn't indie anymore anyways

[brittle garnet]

Riot Games is a huge exception, using it as an example is disingenuine

[iron spear]

Technically Nintendo is an Indie

[azure mural]

no way jesus

[ocean shuttle]

but it was, and they still had one of the largest audiences

[iron spear]

they are an independent developer

[opaque sigil]

See what Arch said

[ocean shuttle]

Before they were bought by funny Chinese company i mean

[opaque sigil]

Exception does not make the rule, unless you are arguing that HK is on a similar scale

[iron spear]

Yeah Riot arent indie cos 10 cent own them

[mental tree]

nintendo is a large publisher. they aren't indie lol

[ocean shuttle]

And generalising that all indie games have small audiences is disingenuine

[iron spear]

Do they independently produce their own IP?

[brittle garnet]

no not really because the overwhelming majority of them do

[opaque sigil]

That's what a generalization is

[azure mural]

what if nintendo made something like the gamepass in xbox

[opaque sigil]

Indie games generally have smaller audiences

[ocean shuttle]

You’re using generalisations as an argument

[brittle garnet]

well the generalizations are accurate

[ocean shuttle]

Twitter moment

[mental tree]

that's not the definition of indie.

[azure mural]

[iron spear]

CS used to just be a hack, same with Dota. Game can become AAA if they get popular enough

[uncut citrus]

Oh wait there’s a real silksong release discussion here... cya

[ocean shuttle]

I love you graig you are sexy

[brittle garnet]

you would be right here if the generalization was unfair, but saying that the average indie game has a small audience is the undeniable truth

[iron spear]

Indie has no real definition, neither does AAA, or AA or anything

[azure mural]

by the way what is your Opinion about Crowsworn from the Trailer

[iron spear]

people just say things

I think Crowsworn looks good, but I also think it has taken a lot from Hollow Knight in terms of art direction

[brittle garnet]

Certainly, although I think it's distinct enough to not be jarringly similar.

[heady iron]

so basically you're saying it's a ripoff of hollow knight and it sucks

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, inspiration is clearly present but it's not an outright copy

[brittle garnet]

I don't see it as a bad thing because more game similar to HK = good

[opaque sigil]

"It's just an hk clone" is such a weird insult when HK was a good game

[ocean shuttle]

Hey guys it’s a metroid game it must be copying hollow knight

[azure mural]

the people call it ripoff just for the art style.
i don't think so and its looks good

[ocean shuttle]

It’s a game of the same genre it will inevitably have similarities

[opaque sigil]

Anyways inspiration isn't a bad thing but unless it does something interesting with that inspiration then it does come off kinda shallow

Shallow isn't bad necessarily, it just isn't good

[last ravine]

The studio that made Crowsworn advertised the game themselves as inspired by HK

[iron spear]

just today they posted this on twitter

and i was like.... Oh Queens Garden

is the stag to the left?

[burnt topaz]

Lmao

[valid sable]

The environments are extremely similar in graphical style

[iron spear]

im not shitting on them but i shouldnt be able to just see a pic for 1 second and it be exactly like the game its inspired from

like... change it up a little bit lmao

[heady iron]

send an angry letter to leth

[small goblet]

damn new silksong leak is looking good

[ocean shuttle]

^

[last ravine]

And the same goes for Ender Lilies and Ori 1 & 2. They are metroidvanias and necessarily share some things

[ocean shuttle]

^

[brittle garnet]

i mean it's thorns, they don't seem that similar aside from the fact they're a lot of thorns

[opaque sigil]

The visuals are very derivative of HK but there is room for mechanical distinctiveness

[ocean shuttle]

Team cherry invented thorns wdym

[last ravine]

What does "^" mean?

[burnt topaz]

I agree with the above

[valid sable]

Means they agree with the above comment

[uncut citrus]

[last ravine]

Oh. Ok. Thanks

[digital mural]

[heady iron]

^

[opaque sigil]

Crowsworn is super overhyped but it does look decent

[digital mural]

I’m feeling kinda quirky ngl

[ocean shuttle]

[digital mural]

Silksong when?

[spare locust]

[digital mural]

The leader of pharloom will be og king of deep nest

[brittle garnet]

He's dead

[opaque sigil]

something something alternative facts

[valid sable]

The leader will be Hornet from the future

[opaque sigil]

SS shares a plot with bioshock infinite

[azure mural]

this says a lot about our society.

[split tide]

I will say that the combat in crowsworn looks a lot flashier than HK's

[opaque sigil]

Sure but that's not saying much

HK combat wasn't very flashy

[brittle garnet]

Well yeah considering their inspirations were Bloodborne and DMC

[split tide]

yeah HK combat is very subdued, so bit of a moot point

[azure mural]

Did someone ping me?

[fiery coral]

Can't wait for the Lutece twins equivalent

[opaque sigil]

Garmond and Zaza obviously

[ocean mulch]

Crowsworn does give me HK reskinned vibes

[fiery coral]

[radiant wraith]

Melee combat with a short masked protagonist?!?!????!

Hollow nite ripoff!!

[opaque sigil]

The aesthetic is undeniably similar

[ocean mulch]

I'm not talking about aesthetics

[small goblet]

damn crowsworn main character walks, and the knight walks too
this can't be a coincidence, it's a 101% ripoff

[opaque sigil]

And taking inspiration isn't the same as being a ripoff

[radiant wraith]

I don't feel it

[opaque sigil]

And besides even if Crowsworn was a HK clone that would be fine

[alpine basalt]

its just a whole ass genre at this point. these types of games. So be it. Mightaswell enjoy them? if they're like hollow knight, shouldnt it be pretty good?

[radiant wraith]

It does look to have its own artstyle

[opaque sigil]

I wish there were suitable HK clones

[radiant wraith]

In any case, I will always judge games independently

[haughty brook]

Still feel the "plague doctor mask protagonist in steam punk setting" aesthetic somewhat tiring.

[alpine basalt]

I wonder if Silksong with have a crowsworn refference / easter egg in the game. hence the dev connection

[fiery coral]

waiting for the protagonist to have an extremely powerful elder brother and it's just Gehrman

[ocean mulch]

I'm not judging the game but the way assets are placed is heavily inspired by hollow knight

We're just talking about art here

[opaque sigil]

There's no need to get defensive when people point out that Crowsworn is transparently inspired by HK

That's not a bad thing

Inspiration is how the industry advances

[haughty brook]

The thing I liked the most from the Crowsworn was the combat, specially the gun-meele weapon combo

[radiant wraith]

I'm honestly in no rush to get excited

It does look good

[opaque sigil]

It's probably a couple years out anyways

[radiant wraith]

But I don't want to be kinda fishing for news like I do here

[opaque sigil]

It has a kickstarter so the devs will be pretty much obligated to release stuff (all the more reason not to fish for info, since it'll be impossible to go in blindish)

TC has the luxury of being conservative and judicious with what they release, so not really a concern for SS

[radiant wraith]

In all honesty, I'm in no rush to play either, with so many games that I want to play that are already out.

[opaque sigil]

That's also fair

[radiant wraith]

Yeah I try to be careful with devlogs and stuff like that

[brittle garnet]

RISK OF RAIN DLC LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO

[still wren]

When someone says "Wasn't Silksong just announced?"

[wispy stream]

its releasing on my birthday my dad owns silksong btw

[sinful flare]

Wasnt silksong just announced

[uncut citrus]

Yes it was.

[wispy stream]

i get firstdibs

[small goblet]

wait wasn't silksong just announced?

[sinful flare]

Thanks reevers

[left basin]

Wasn't silksong just released?

[small goblet]

wasn't silksong?

[left basin]

Silksong?

[uncut citrus]

?

[left basin]

‌

[left basin]

Wow cant believe crowsworn has bosses and hollow knight does too

Such a fucking rip off

[small goblet]

can't believe crowsworn stole camera mechanic from hk

[wispy stream]

crossworn is a game? why didnt team cherry copystrike? we all know team cherry made the first ever game?

[left basin]

Cant believe crowsworn is in steam
They definitely stole that from team cherry

[left basin]

Oh yeah they should be taken down

[wispy stream]

crossworn has cro and your name has cro UR A CROSSWORN SUPPORTER🤬

[uncut citrus]

wait guys Crowsworn isnt out? JUST LIKE SILKSONG! WHAt a rip-off!!!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/931980340589908008/GIT_GUD.gif

[left basin]

OMG IAM INFECTED

Ineed

A plague doctor
HA

[still wren]

so we can all agree silksong will come out in a minute?

[left basin]

Crowsworn enjoyers

[still wren]

Silksong patient waiters

[stone current]

Fr

One time I forgot about Silksong

[still wren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzBSsBtRJjE

[left basin]

Google be like
There was a leak
Its definitely in February

[still wren]

Even google wants it to be released

[left basin]

Silk

[still wren]

Song

[left basin]

Just go buy buch of silk play a song problem solved

And find spider give it a needle

🪡

[still wren]

But where boss fight?

[left basin]

Ants

And the bench is in park

And there is lots of them

Anyway crowsworn is pog

And am out

[still wren]

People that say "Dont rush silksong" be like: "Wher silksong"

[left basin]

Look at this little guy

[still wren]

smoll

[left basin]

Smoll

[still wren]

he looks honger

[left basin]

He do be hungy for light

[still wren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB1Gxky9Huc

[distant vapor]

Fr it has been more than a minute

[still wren]

The minute is still in progress tho

[long comet]

That minute has been going on for 3 years straight now.

[still wren]

still a minute

i mean, there are only 12 seconds in a year

so we're halfway through , round about

[frank sparrow]

[radiant wraith]

Patience

[deep ice]

team cherry pls release bug waifu simulator 🙏

[radiant wraith]

Please don't do it Tissy

[still wren]

ples relese la song de slik

[last ravine]

We HK fans deserve a prize for our patience

[ocean mulch]

Silksong is the prize

[opaque sigil]

And dignity

[cerulean sable]

2 years isnt that long 4head

people acting like their lives depended on this game

[opaque sigil]

coming up on 3 but still not that long

[small goblet]

well you will get silksong one day
||possibly||

[last ravine]

🥺

[radiant wraith]

Nothing will make it come out faster

[still wren]

You again

[gilded adder]

The passage of time will

[radiant wraith]

I'll be sad if it comes out before it's finished

[fiery coral]

wash away the sorrow, all the stains of time

[radiant wraith]

Before they are completely satisfied with it, near enough

[still wren]

Its still best, staying positive and hopinf it comes out any day now, than staying negative lol

[true vine]

different

[radiant wraith]

I'd like it to come out as soon as possible as well

As soon as it's complete

[opaque sigil]

Obsessing isn't being positive, it's being obsessive

[radiant wraith]

Not thinking it'll come out tomorrow every day and not believing any rumor or leak is not being negative

[cerulean sable]

HK has a more "gritty" and tinier design detail to it

Crowsworn looks more like a mosaic painting

[radiant wraith]

Can't even have thorns

I think it's a ripoff because it's in 2D

We all know Tissy owns the 2D space

And all others are lazy ripoffs

[true vine]

shading isn't as intense as hk

[opaque sigil]

.

[opaque sigil]

.

[random fox]

Crowsworn looks uhh, smoother? Idk if thats the proper word

[radiant wraith]

Maybe I just misinterpreted

[opaque sigil]

There's nothing wrong with MR taking inspiration from elements of HK's design

And so pointing out that they did isn't inherently a criticism of the game

In fact people who criticize it based on that are ignorant, willingly or otherwise, of the ways in which genres develop

Games totally should take inspiration from HK, it was an extraordinary experience

Environment design was fantastic

[radiant wraith]

I guess I just don't understand what the fuzz about this screenshot in particular is

[opaque sigil]

The layout is particularly similar

[radiant wraith]

I guess? I don't know, it just feels like something that could have easily existed without HK. Tho I guess that's hard to believe considering the rest of the game.

[cerulean sable]

Crow looks more cartoony

obligatory look at the diff of it compared to the Grindle gif

[marsh ibex]

and you look more clowny

[cerulean sable]

how about you stfu until you beat me in a 1v1 quake match, or beat the Black Monolith fight on Legendary/Legendary difficulty huh???!?!

[fleet temple]

omg, a game has a part where you jump on platforms to reach a higher area, this game copied hollow knight what a ripoff!!!!

[opaque sigil]

I didn't say that

I said the layout of those screenshots was similar, nothing more

[fleet temple]

I wasn't directing that at you

[radiant wraith]

It just seems weird, two big metroidvanias, of course there will be a room in one that looks kinda similar to a room in the other

It doesn't matter anyways

[ocean mulch]

Without HK crosworn wouldn't look like this but it would probably play the same the question is where did their motivation come from if HK didn't exist

[marsh ibex]

I didn’t ask drongo

[ocean mulch]

Skill issue

[stoic path]

The thing about Crowsworn is that, it looks similar to HK, a little TOO similar. The layouts of the area, some of the game elements like falling acid, it feels too much like HK and SS. There are plenty of ganes inspired by HK and they've all feel different in their own respect, even when taking things from HK, yet Crowsworn always just makes me feel like I'm looking at the same game just with different art assets (and guns). I don't know how to feel about it.

[ocean mulch]

Not really layout

It falls into that category of game that only uses one other game as it's visual inspiration

The way you can clearly tell games inspired by specifically Castlevania or specifically Metroid

[true vine]

there were no acid falls in hk...

[opaque sigil]

It also takes some visual inspiration from SS

[radiant wraith]

I don't know much really, I just think these two room's layouts don't look similar enough to make any conclusions about inspiration for that room in particular

[true vine]

other than in background art

[cedar lodge]

crowsworn is cool

[true vine]

faster gameplay

[lament igloo]

what do you guys think about silksong release date being leaked by geforce? it is real or not? do you guys think we are gonna get some news in february? i want some opinions about this

[radiant wraith]

No, the leak is useless

[valid sable]

Placeholder

[mortal mango]

probably just placeholder

[true vine]

not real

[cedar lodge]

silksong is coming out next week(confirmed)

[lament igloo]

RELLY?!?!

[opaque sigil]

no

[cedar lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULPzFXAClI

[opaque sigil]

You're not funny

[cedar lodge]

i have proof

[ocean mulch]

3am challenge ordering a silksong potion off the dark web from bendy

[lament igloo]

YAAAAAA lemme prepare my wallet

[cerulean sable]

git gud casual

[radiant wraith]

You will know when they announce it

[haughty brook]

Most probably placeholder, the problem right now is that algorithm made google and youtube thing that paritcular date is the real one, not helped at all by the clickbait articles from sites like gamerant.

[true vine]

(went wrong) (omg)

[ocean mulch]

(got murdered)

[cedar lodge]

(massacared the entire world)

[mortal mango]

BIGSHOT

[lament igloo]

idk i have this feeling there is gonna be some news in february

[ocean mulch]

Wrong channel

[mortal mango]

I already posted it in art discussion

[ocean mulch]

Pipis

[cedar lodge]

wrong server

[radiant wraith]

The current YouTube Clickbait is a short with something like:
" OMG why did he do that tho 💀 💀 "

[haughty brook]

My recommendation, don't except anything.

[stark estuary]

That's right. I'm the only funny person in #sk-discussion .

[lament igloo]

alr.

[daring hemlock]

The leak changed anyway

[cedar lodge]

shorts dont give any money though iirc

[radiant wraith]

But they do get attention

[mortal mango]

I don’t want to be in any undertale/deltarune related discords tyvm

[lament igloo]

hornet?!?!?!

[true vine]

ok

[mortal mango]

killing hornet 2 until silksong comes out

[stark estuary]

k

[lament igloo]

wanna clap hk?

[true vine]

the time of the non-regulars has arisen

[stark estuary]

no roleplay

[opaque sigil]

[lament igloo]

who said something about rp

ima clap hk rn and u are there at blackegg

[true vine]

...

[opaque sigil]

Read server rules

[cedar lodge]

what

[lament igloo]

hol' up..

2 hornet?

[stark estuary]

[lament igloo]

nope.

im out 1 hornet is enough but 2?

[stark estuary]

Anyway

Silksong

[lament igloo]

is never coming out.

(real)

[trim estuary]

Deception

[stark estuary]

#sk-discussion (real)

[trim estuary]

he’s asking to play hkmp

[random fox]

HK discord headquarters

[lament igloo]

who thinks silksong is coming out this year raise a hand

good good.

3 people believe thats good lol

[trim estuary]

Do you

[lament igloo]

yes

6 people believe

[stoic path]

Make that 10

[hexed prawn]

Late next year for sure.

[coarse leaf]

If someone from TC staff (except Graig I think) will raise a hand I will do it too)

[cedar lodge]

i think mid this year

[brittle garnet]

I am feeling this year but not betting on it

[random fox]

Ppl really pessimistic here

[opaque sigil]

Arch literally just said he was feeling this year

Conscious optimism is still optimism

[shell yacht]

december 2099

[stark estuary]

On the other hand, the good thing about being a pessimist is that you're always either right or pleasantly surprised.

[shell yacht]

i say 2099 as a joke but youll never get my real prediction
but its not feb or this year

[opaque sigil]

Presumably because you know your real prediction is just a guess and aren't so presumptuous as to assume it is correct

[marsh ibex]

hey gamers

[stark estuary]

Fuck you

[opaque sigil]

ok joker

[shell yacht]

banned

[marsh ibex]

Silksong tomorrow

[opaque sigil]

impersonating tc smh

Didn't even give yourself the role

[marsh ibex]

I did not

[shell yacht]

my real prediction is also not as solid as all the ravings of this channel, like "feb first reeeee"

[agile kelp]

you forgot to add wide to your name

[cerulean sable]

impersonation is against the law bro

[true vine]

said they in 2019
and 2020
and 2021

[shell yacht]

wow jojo actually getting demoded watch it live here folks

[marsh ibex]

anyways

[cerulean sable]

trust me my Logic and Rhetoric skill trees are telling me so, and my Inland Empire is making me feel it

[marsh ibex]

I am back

[stark estuary]

Why even bother trying to predict the release date

[opaque sigil]

lack of creativity

[shell yacht]

just wait

[hollow oracle]

Hopium is my guess