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No one was named David in my family
a deceased david aswell
same 
This is so sad
Have some bread ๐
david division when
maybe there are even more davids just spectating
... and that's why #sk-discussion is the best||n't|| channel of the server
it's a dave-ision
dav
you got daved
Davvy

Dolores 

Umbridge
Lemme guess
Davey
I have a Star of David somewhere
i think i've known at least one david
And at most?
So are you all guys ready for another disappointment from Team Cherry next month?
two
Another David 
what the fuck
You can't be disappointed if there's nothing to be disappointed about 
Expect disappointment and you will never be disappointed, I learned that watching spider man
no this one was here a few moments ago

great mentality
Hahaha. Right
Silksong!
Voidheart edition.
im ready for a launch / game news any where from feb to early april
๐
david
What about believing in geforce leaks and screaming June 30th
When is the war of davids
i will reign supreme
To tell who keeps the name
๐
winner is whoever does p5 hitless first
Is this famous hollow knight player actually using invincibility?
silk
gone
song
Have still yet to beat p5 once got too caught up on trying to do radabsrad, I basically did radabsrad on ascended (except for that one time in last phase where I miscalculated how far id jumped and fell of an edge) and now I canโt even get to last phase
silk ๐ฑ ๐ฑ ๐ฑ (GONE SONG) (GONE SUS)
Love how I scrolled up in this channel and only saw people talking about David
I mean, it's not like they can talk about Silksong because so much is still unknown about it
Silksong release trailer could release in 2mins
Cope
is hornet in silksong? unknown.
Yes, or two years given the circumstances...
You mean zoteboat?
i hope zote comes back, we need more precepts
i wouldnt know how to live my life without those
We need 800 more
easily
i am back whats going on there
zote
dave
Dave.
Dave?
yes
Dave.
D A V E.
Team Cherry confirms: "Dave"
Please lets talk about something i need to distract myself
uh
Dave
dont say tools
wait i thought about my thing agian what was it already
Why is dave so sad?
no clue but he tries to kill us in silksong
Why would dave do that 
Will silksong release in february? Will we at least get silksong news in february? This video goes into detail on just that subject, enjoy!
Discover a vast, haunted kingdom in Hollow Knight: Silksong! The sequel to the award winning action-adventure. Explore, fight and survive as you ascend to the peak of a land ruled by silk and song.
Outro M...
right, even if a hot air baloon of some kind woudnt work with hot ambient air it would still use silk magic stuff like IK pharloom is supposed to be "less magical" then HK but there will still be magic, so that could be an explaination, if TC wanted to do that (and why woudnt they that would be so cool) they could probably fighure something out to make it work lorewise
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG-XwgYNnjg&ab_channel=mossbag
go to around 8:30
you can see footage of dave
Holy crap! A fourth video in a little over a month! I sure am spoiling you all! In a bit of a surprise, Silksong was playable at E3 this year. There are a lot of small details to go over, so that's what I will be doing in this video.
This video is a little light on lore analysis. I wanted to keep wild speculation down to a minimum this time, s...
Why should ss have hot air baloon: cause its cool
the effect when u hit dave looks rly cool :O
@digital glen dave doesnt kill us, we tried to kill dave
Oh yeah hes just chilling
also deep docks need to be a docks for soemthing and yeah, "its cool" is actually not a joke reason, HK had nothing in air before, the biggest place was probably over dirtmouth, while SS is WAAAY more open, also deep docks gets their coal and goods transported somehow, i guess a cool tram over the lava would do but with the poles and stuff i actually think that random "woudnt hot air baloon thing be cool?" thought can make sense
Has anyone killed Dave?
if u look at the bottom u can see the release date for horizon
I think thats september
but its actually releasing in feb?
like dave was on this mortal level 
Youre waiting in line to play ss in E3 2019 and the guy in front of you is trying to kill dave for 30min
i will stand by my hot air baloon till i finish the game and idc if its in deep docks or near the citadel, both would be cool

so would this mean that these dates are wrong :O
Hornet will direct the ballon directly on the citadel causing mass deaths
Hallownest has lost what? 80% of the population
Im the guy in front of you
I would be lying if i said that wouldnt be interesting
Bro Hallownest has an imperial system right?
After the ending of HK, what are the chances of Elderbug being elect the president of Hallownest with a new democrat system?
zero
I would vote for him
4.62%
Where's the food in hallownest
Works for me
everywhere
some will vote for him since hes one of the few that actually didnt get infected, they will see him as wise
just ask Hunter
The canibal has a lot of food
Sly would literally kill him to win
it's not cannibalism if you're a different species
Yeah but do you think it wouldnt be weird if like cows had the same capacity to think that we do?
Gruzzers don't, theyre ripe for the picking ig
Like if most of the species were as inteligent as us
unclear if gruzzers can think at all
So thats were the hornet is void comes from
That sounds weird
Huh
it should be pain
The aftertaste is pain in your stomach
They are like black noodles
man #sk-discussion really does take alot of space 
because uh, your tongue is being killed by the Void
I think the aftertaste would be closer to death
Yeah
That guy holding the love key seems pretty ok to me
My favorite 
Hes just a bit tired of all that delicious void
His tears are just black
too much eyeliner
Like how Fanta comes out your nose if you laugh and stuff
He cried out of emotion of how good the void was, than the eyeline got screwed
The build up for the collector is so good, but the fight is pretty meh
We have few characters that have void at their disposal
Collector, PV
And Hornet 
Amd elderbug
your soul is made for that
Iam excited for the Warrior Bretta boss fight
So true
kinda i guess?
Bretta is kinda dumb
agree
Dirtmouth gotta be one of the safest places in all Hallownest and she just zips
bretta will came back in silksong as the final boss
Actually, if Zote talked to me 24/7 i think i would have ran away also
Wheres the Zote gibrish copypasta
I would too
cant be, thats Sherma
Actually i would spend more time for no reason
do u think some characters from hk will came back on ss?
Yeah like hornet will definitely be in silksong
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Uhn Mr Mushroom maybe
To me those two would be the only ones that would appear
TC said not really, just a few probably like Mr mushrrom, obv hornet|| and sly and ogrim and bretta||
Other characters seem to be kinda of a stretch
Zote would die before reaching pharloom
who is Sherma? (if it's something like sherma ball i am gonna cry so bad)
Actually i wish we knew how far pharloom and hallownest are
So is the 5 year anniversary of hollow knight coming out gonna have a blogpost or something?
Sherma ball ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
Is anything confirmed has graig said literally anything Pointing to that being True?
How the hell do you not know about Sherma anyways
no wait, sly and bretta are like all done characters, they don't need to be in silsong, Grimm may be but it's very doubtful
OOOOOOH Ok HAHAHHAHAHHA
I dont think anything graig says about silksong's future is true
i want sherma ball as a new meme
What if you wanted to go to heaven, but zote said:
Do pe churo namen o manta dublem. Bis manama bobles. Bis bobles bera. Bera! Aklaba! Aklaba bubtis. Emen ba depra da bapne nada. Lok dis. Ba! Puroktis, eh? Manta wanta wanta chokta ba na zur, wunto arewa bis na challa. Oto vi chur onomen ob wanta manta doblem. Emen ba tempra papa nada oktis. Munta arewa bis na challa.
The sherma ball rolling around the Silksong cube
He doesnt even know the game's progress
The weird thing is that i identify all of this
but he tests it
At least we gonna have that animation collab
he is speaking the language of gods
I mean Sherma does kinda have a ball shape there
Zote VA is talented
lmao
He gotta be one that has done the most sounds
silksong when
wkroll
Why can I say half of that by memory

salve mano
DON'T OPEN THIS ARGUMENT IF U WANT TO LIVE
ma chi cazzo รจ mano lol
zoteboat when 
tomorrow
Yesterday
out now
actually some leaks say that it will come out on February, but nothing is for sure
oh
That leak seems more like a placeholder more than anything.
geforce leak?
Yeah
also GOG
scott cawthon makes a game in 4 mounths by himself and TC takes 4 years smh
GoG is nothing, it doesn't count
that's because ss will be a reaaaaaaally big game
lmao that's right
Iam obvioisly kiding
i really hope in the nest nintendo direct
GoG page just displays current year, like there is no doubt that it's not an actual date
And even if it does release this year, gog definitely didn't predict shit
yeah yeah ik
But know that you talked about it, how big do you people think will be compared to hk?
I would say 1.5x times bigger
Maybe thats too much
Significantly bigger, but estimates like 2+x larger are very high
i hope x2, after 5 years...
Yeah i can hope for 5x times bigger
Lmao
When is silksong coming out
in an interview team cherry said: "we have personalized more than 100 benches", so just think about this
In terms of world size purely I could see like twice as large (especially since Hornet is almost as large compared to TK proportionately) but double the content is very unlikely
just read some messages above
Unknown
1.5 times bigger is generous, it'll probably be about 1.2/3, but in terms of content itself it might be a little unquantifiable
Pharloom just has better public system
Never
Every screen has bench
I think the map size will be 1.5 of HK at maximum. The prevoius game already is considerd to be pretty big by metroidvania standarts.
Sure, I'm just saying that the amount in which the environment size increases and the amount which the content increases are not necessarily the same (and would naturally change to account for Hornet's increased size and movement)
They will do like Sekiro where every 2 meters theres a save point
yeah and that was dope, team cherry want everythink BIG
In order to maintain a similar experience and not become cluttered, SS would kinda have to expand the world size to a greater degree than they increase the content quantity (in whatever abstract sense it can be interpreted)
Making a map big is easier, filling it with meaningful content is a other thing.
Iam saying, Pharloom is going to flip upside down
Wonder how the npc quests are gonna be like
imagine the interconnectedness in ss' world
That's also true, but kinda tangential to the point I was trying to make 
Howling Cliffs amazes me, it can be bove small and boring
all areas in HK have connections to at least 2 other areas, except for Hive
Hive is a disappointment (Atleast in my op)
The fundamental nature of SS having Hornet as a protagonist necessitates the expansion of the environment relative to HK, if TC intends to make SS a bigger game beyond that fundamental necessary expansion, then it would presumably be natural to expand the map even further to account for the presence of more stuff in the world
imagine going back to hollownest in the post game, like kanto in pokemon heart gold and soul silver
i hope we revisit white palace
as long as u say that she is not made of void, everything is fine
hornet is made of black tea from the graveyard of a certain species of bugs
bro, i hate to be the one that tells u but...... it's like destroyed
yeah, it's not void
i never said that

Sherma being held by TK says yes
Not gonna happen, sorry to dissapoint you but TC stated that their game philosophy is about exploration and discovery and revisiting Hallownest seem cointeruintitive to the gameplay flow and narrative of SS. Hallownest was desgined for the Knight/Ghost moveset/gameplay in mind while Pharloom is being done with Hornet's in mind. We could see Hallownest in SS but in flashbacks exploring Hornet's past.
Although, even in those hypothetical flashbacks, there would likely be few playing areas from HK that would really accommodate (or more importantly compliment) Hornet well in terms of gameplay
Yeah we see Hallownest in the Dryya flashback fight right?
omg i have never tought that, u are actually right. (my heart just broke)
TC did Dryya dirty
I mean for a knight that's kinda the best way to go out, isn't it?
poor dryya, the white lady doesn't even know that she died
Died to defend a blind tree
A senil blind tree
a very sexual active blind tree
bruh he was not Hegemol
yes he was
"The maggot is the Hegemol"
-GEF
what no lol
wait what
GEF has never been wrong! ever!
It's a joke 
"Hornet is void" John Lennon
omg i had an heartbreak
also
would that be with a soft g or a hard g
do you say gef or gef
Jeff
I mean "ge" is generally soft, like "gem" and "gentle"
YOU DO NOT WANT TO START THIS
"radiance is zote" Abraham Lincoln before being c dashed
Thats what school doesnt tell you
Hear me out, Troupe Master Grimm and NKG are the same person
~~oh god ~~
Proof?
Who gives a crap about history, when we gonna start to learn Hollow Knight lore in schools
Shocking right?
bruh that's impossible, remember when TC said: "what the dog doin"
well
Well.
well
Also, Pure Vessel is The Hollow Knight
"well, well, well, a power crystal"
If you look very closely you'll see some similarities
For instance, they both have black eyes
Canโt be, one has two arms
It's an illusion of the lighting
Something i have been thinking is wil ss map be bigger then hk, size and content? ๐ค
Why PV gotta break his armour what a dumbass
Cause animating an armor would be too hard, of course
Its like Thanos putting out the armour the the beggining of infinity war
Thats the cannon reason
TBH slightly slower PV with twice much heath would be so much easier
I guess some kind of task/quest gui like hunter list? ๐ค
I mean he should use a helmet actually
If you really think about it, the knights are voidbenders
Itโs cool armour though
the knights?
I guess...
oh no
like the 5 great knights or
They mean The Bros I think
Also known as The Relatives or something
I think theyโre called the containers or something
I was talking about the npc's that actually help you kill stuff. They must be hard to implement.
the void bowls
Now Hornet knows how it is to be called short
Imagine short people 
But really Lace is shorter than Hornet, why does she call her "Little Spider"
Why does Hornet call TK "little ghost" despite the fact that they're both small bugs
Its the main character in hk games syndrome, being called short
Ah my bad!, ye prob not easy.
Hot take: Hornet will commit crimes
To be honest, with that handsome face? I would start this
gonna spend 73 hours in ss committing arson
"Guilty" ending
Hey you, do you like arson?
Willow
Do you like the sweet smells of fiery action?
Well, if she kills at least one enemy in ss, she did
time to pacifist run silksong
self defense
Come on down to smoking eddyโs fire emporium today, and youโll be able to quench your thirst for the sweet sweet fury of fire
If she hits dave then its a crime
When do u think the Nintendo direct will be?
Thx this is my irl pic i really appreciate it 
Because I smell ss
Your senses of smell have a pure chance to be right, and a pure chance to be wrong.
having 4 souless eyes can be usefull tho if your looking for something ||O R S O M E O N E||
Dont worry im looking for someone to play dst with (Preferably 4 people) as well
If in the next Nintendo direct there will be no silksong, I am gonna cut my right ball live on twich
But yes... We fans deserve something after waiting for so long
Yeah, that's true
Whether there's a problem with SS or not, TC should say something. Their silence is killing me
That's so true
I'm sure they'll arrive with a decent amount of news after that amount of silence
silk song when smh
I want to believe they will
https://youtu.be/GSlEti_ffhE
Im not sure if this was shown in the discord, but it's so awesome!
The Sunflower Chamber Orchestra performs an orchestral arrangement of Lace, from the Hollow Knight: Silksong OST Sample composed by Christopher Larkin. Performed live at Dominican University's Performing Arts Center.
Mohannad Al Zahabi, Conductor
Eloise Meloni, Assistant Conductor
ยฉ Copyright Sunflower Chamber Orchestra, 2021
We are not affil...
In reality I hope not, I just want the release date and then play it blind
God i would love an orchestra like the 5th aniversary for undertale for hollow knight and silksong
March
very end of March ๐
Mmmmm, no, the leaks say that it will be really soon this year, maybe already the next week
Hey guys when do you think silkskng will come out?
February 1 9090
Some say 2022
some say 48142
Some, to prevent being disappointed, play it safer and go for 2023
June 12th, 2020
Donโt do that!!!
Anyways whatโs your twitch channel username asking for a friend
I still think it's foolish to put your own bids on 2022 or 2023. I would put my bids on 9090 instead
@olive bobcat wrong year
No 2020 is right
Wdym it's already released

I'll prove it
Iโm familiar with you kinds of people.
i think late 2019 is more likely, if you think 2020 thats kinda pessimistic imo
Here's my saves แถ แตแตแต
whadoya mean
you people
Let me go check something
You loopin' me in with these bozos? 
Facts Brother, So True my friend
(Not gonna lie i hope it will look like that in the final game)
8hrs in the canyon what are you wasting time on fool
Quests
I also have this older one
Hunt menderbu g from hollow knight
Don't worry Vysuals has it under control
while you were doing this i was too busy making this 
Water famously loves speedrunners of course
||(sorry i cant stop laughing at my own jokes)||
that one in particular deserves his name being blacklisted
Show a video lol
No
cringe
I hate infecteds
I can send you a video ifovot
?
If they want to see one
If you canโt provide a video then I canโt believe you

Donโt care

why are you so good at this!!!!
show a video, i believe you entirely
i have no doubts only need reassurance of heart
I'll DM it so Spade can't peek 
Yeah I got it in 2020
Youโd expect google to show the game as released if itโs more than a year old. 
Maybe I got an early access version, idk
i can sniff the civil war
I just remember getting an email from TC with it
Anti 2022 and Pro 2022s
And what qualification would you have to get an early access?
Why do you need qualifications dude
@cerulean sable no itโs infected vs uninflected. Itโs been going on for a while now
wait wrong copy past
wait, did you not get an early access?
To get early access
2024 hopefully
Wait wait John, wasn't there an old poll back in 2020 to try and get early access copies?
copy message link wont work
@true vine If everyone got it then it would be early access it would be a demo.
Yeah but not everyone got it
So team cherry just game the game out to a bunch of random people?
Super believable.
Well iirc there was another step but it was 2020, I can't remember
โ๏ธ
๐ณ๏ธ
Why are there no videos on YouTube then?
genuinely curious where this comes from
Pixlr X
Man this is just getting more and more convoluted imma dip from the joke
spade theyre messing with you
@thorn grotto Itโs just the hollow king one with images from the trailer pasted onto it
- hollow king
- No
@verbal trench I know
Who even use
anymore? if you have nitro get
disgusting

But Iโm enjoying debunking them 
one day this game will release and we'll look back at our theories and see how wrong they were
bunking > debunking
i want a cheeseburger
But they literally have proof
They literally just took an image from the trailer and pasted it onto the hollow knight screen
I could make it in a day
but could you make this in a day
An emote?
Sure why not see no reason why I couldnโt
then make one
Skill issue
you think i do 
Fair enough
this is not a emote
yeah one leak sure is great proof
it is on another server tho
Aight ima make a โtotally realโ menu of silk song
i just have to use the PNG for this server for lack of nitro
2023 release confirmed.
I so severely doubt February will have a release date
For me is not coming out on February 1, but still on february
i know it wont but yall arent ever listening to me so
Here, is this better?
Bruh u are so good making these
???
Where are the claws
Thank you
But I clearly just took a screen from HK and pasted onto it 
How disrespectful of team cherry to not give any news
Are you saying that your fakes are early copy of SS for a joke
All it take is one tweet
Yeah
i could give yall actual information and yalld call me a bully for not agreeing with feb 
Silksong doesn't exist.
yall dont get nothing
you are a buddy 
im not your buddy pal
how about my pal buddy?

im not your pal guy
Kinda short for a copypasta but hey, you tried 
I think as fans we are owed a little feedback from the team on how development is going. This current cycle of annual messages isn't healthy to the long term of the community. It builds a culture of hype and disappointment and damages how fans are perceived by others. It's perfectly reasonable to accept some word from Team Cherry and the fact that we aren't getting anything reflects negatively on them more than anything. I love Team Cherry and want what's best for them, but this is a dangerous cycle which can lead to genuine anger in a community.
Yeah that's more like it
I made that by in 6 minutes.
Looks sloppy
Do pe churo namen o manta dublem. Bis manama bobles. Bis bobles bera. Bera! Aklaba! Aklaba bubtis. Emen ba depra da bapne nada. Lok dis. Ba! Puroktis, eh? Manta wanta wanta chokta ba na zur, wunto arewa bis na challa. Oto vi chur onomen ob wanta manta doblem. Emen ba tempra papa nada oktis. Munta arewa bis na challa.
Yeah I know
Only four masks
Aluo by your standards a lot of things are sloppy 
I know
My guy came in saying "SS when" and escalated to "you're bad watch this"
I couldโve easily cleaned it up
No Iโmnproving that those couldโv easily been photoshopped
Canceled game
You know that was a low effort fake from Aluo, right?
Fair enough, they are kinda old
I think I made that one in late 2019 or early 2020
To all the people that defend team cherry with the argument "do not pressure them" :all ari has to do is to send a quick tweet stating that they are working on it and they are x% done while taking a shit
Yeah Mine is sloppy but could I have made it look super believable? Yes. If I spent 6 minutes on that imagine what I could make in 10. Or 30. Or an hour. That is my point
ok then make a good fake 
No cause Iโm not a troll
"Imagine what I could make it 10"
Iโve got better things to spend an hour on
they may not have a set end point and cant say how close to the end they are
They even have a marketing manager now
Then don't brag about thinking you can do it if you aren't willing to 
They've had one
@opaque sigil Never said that
They dont now?
No I mean they've had Leth for a while
Leth has posted stuff here on discord
Iโm saying that an image isnโt proof since it could easily be photoshopped
not for a year he hasn't if you mean actual updates ๐ฅด
Iโ@ not bragging at all
Yeah, and I admitted it was photoshopped. Idk what your point is here
Also any estimate of completion is going to be ridiculously difficult to quantify
Game's in development
TC doesn't have to say it's in development
Calculating game completion is hard
Game completion isn't directly proportional to temporal completion
Just saying "it's still going" is only going to piss people off
It's also a nonstatement
Cope
Seethe
Mald
My point is that you need more proof than a image, which you have not provided
Unless you want to slap a random number on it and call it a day
silksong is a lie
Admittedly a lot of things do exactly that
silksong is 29
hire the Hypeless Halberdiers
what do you want proof of, they literally said it's a fake ๐ฅด
@opaque sigil its not going to piss people off
It will
Pretty official ngl
Every time there's information without a release date people get pissed, in this instance there wouldn't even be information
depends, really; some people (like myself) would be surprised that this is all they have to say after a year of silence
Bit of a tangent, but I hate how numbers are often twisted and improperly used so much
Milkyshong
Yeah it sucks
Maybe a little but with news and perhaps a dev vlog people will understand
They won't
with news yeah
All news I need is
U cant just go quiet
Like the numbers are often completely useless and provides zero proper information
"we're still working on it here's a screenshot"
Even Edge was the recipient of no small amount of contempt and that was one of the most significant instances
TC can go quiet if they want to
Thanks for being one of the reasons we arenโt getting a simple โitโs still goingโ tweet ๐
Tell me why hornet is or isn't void
Bruh why no work
They could but thats rude
I can see more people being satisfied by news rather than a release date, although personally I don't think any news other than a release date is required at this point ๐ฅด
Also you wanting news is not the same as TC having an obligation to do it
You can argue itโs bad for business, but they have no obligation
birthed by Herrah, so she wasn't ever in the abyss
"hello this is team cherry and here is an update of our progress over the last year: the game is in developement [hornet.png]" -- Is this what you want?
I have a theory that the whole dev team and their pc fell into space because of the sudden shut down of gravitational force in the upside down part a.k.a Australia.
They are falling to space
Are you a backer?
I think you need a bot for that
TC absolutely can go quiet while they make the game, you don't have to like it
Yeah prob
Me? No
If you are a backer then thatโs the only time where you can argue youโre owed information
Backers are no longer really owed information
Yeah but at least thereโs some foundation
Look as far as I know the NVIDIA leak can be true
Team Cherry might release an announcement in 8 hours that says Feb 1st is the release date
But I gurantee that won't happen
If youโre not the foundation doesnโt exist
โโโtestโโโ
Now if you want to argue that TC should release info to keep up hype so SS can sell better, then sure
Everyone pretends like TC has to announce stuff 2 weeks early when they've only done it once
although to be fair I can see why people may think 'they're busy working on it' is not enough of an excuse to stop giving news, since...y'know, that's why you hire a PR guy so that the main devs don't have to worry about marketing
Or that prolonged droughts of info can be frustrating as a fan
I feel like 3 screenshots would shut everyone up
it won't for long 
please, people will analyze every last pixel of it
Here's a fake one 
But like donโt say TC owes us or anything
No, just two folders
With this chat? I give it less than a week
'''Test'''
He's just that quick at making fakes
off topic but I kinda wish I could've funded HK
Like I'd get a backer character
2 days? I give him 2 hours
๏ผ๏ผ๏ผtest๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ
What are you doing
30 minutes, bite me
And heโll somehow make a 5 hour vid
how long have you been making fakes Aluo
โโโโItโs a thing โโโ
test
What is even happening
2-3 years, but it's slowed down over time
Spade are you having a fucking stroke
๐คฏ
I basically don't make fakes anymore
Maybe theyโre testing their keyboard
โโโtestโโโ
I think theyโre testing apostrophes
That's just life. Very few devs keep a constant stream of info and those that do generally do it because they must
I want more spiders
fair
test
Maybe just Hornet being a spider and some Deepnest lore
I just hope this isnt another case like terraria otherworld
Success!
nice I got it working
Exactly
Did people even care about otherworld
It got canceled
Deepnest lore questions needed
"Trilobite shrine"
"How it was created"
"Their relations with weavers"
Yes
Using other games as a proxy to complain about or project doomsday scenarios onto SS is not a real argument
I mean terraria was, and still is, being developed on
Type ` three times around the text
Still wish we would've gotten a boss in Beasts Den
Projects fail. That doesn't mean SS will.
Itโs an incredibly different situation from SS, and those comparisons arenโt valid
I agree
Like Journeyโs End was massive
I said i hoped it wont
I can promise you that TC is much more invested in SS than you are
Oh yeah that was so awesome when it came out
Well no shit sherlock
Hornet is a spider
TC isnโt going to randomly cancel SS if thatโs what youโre worried about
If something happens that prevents SS from being completed, news isn't going to change that
no it's not, look at the top left of ur keyboard
The game is probably almost done
Should be on the upper left of your keyboard
They're probably polishing it and adding extra content
Not the "extra content" nonsense again 
sad
how the fuck is any content extra when it's gonna be in final release of the game?
Not just in the final release, integral to the experience
I also have those characters
also for mobile users ``` won't be different from `
Weird
Look just be patient
Hebrew
Sometimes people seem to regard SS as though anything not required to beat the game will be essentially superfluous, which is absurd
no one saw that
BotW went on silent for 2 years but then there was a release year and trailer
ืืืืืืืืืืืืon my mobile keyboard
Also Elden Ring
SS gets an extra year for the fact that it's a small indie company
Release year was probably the product of the infrastructure of the larger company, and SS has had much more than a trailer

isn't that riskier
Projected release years are also just bad, especially early on, since they're not in any way dependable unless prescriptive, which is even worse
idk
wait what happens if you use this font in an emote?
Elden Ring can afford to be silent for two years, it's being made by the behemoth that is From Software
:grubthink:
yeah
fair point
TC can afford to be silent at this point too
What is the risk of remaining silent?
Awww );
Hey at least we don't have to worry about delays
For lesser known titles, obscurity
Tc literally doesn't care about the fandom
Because it can't be a delay of we don't know the release date
nice one
Ah true
Upsetting the rabid fan base?
@glossy jackal but rude innit?
Eh I wouldn't be so sure, personally
(Like, not to the extent of two years' silence)
yeah no you're wrong here
Lel
Hasn't been two years
People are still paying attention
Dedicated fanbase already exists
All empirical data points to that.
I feel like they can be silent because they are indie. They arenโt so big that it makes a huge difference
HK sales seem good enough to sustain them for a while, and I donโt think the game will fade into obscurity anytime soon
Let team cherry take their time. If they take longer it means a better game in the end
no need to be this salty, you'll oversalt the ocean
Indies are usually all but necessitated to be communicative because that's the only way not to be forgotten
Not always true
I know it hasn't been two years yet, someone brought up BotW and ER earlier
TC doesn't care about the fandom, so much so that they let a dying fan that wanted just to interview them to design a boss.
TC communicated a lot on HKโs development right
very sweet how that kid will forever be immortalised thanks to SS
TC can be quiet now because the game is already in the public eye pretty firmly (SS 4th top steam wishlist) and they have a guaranteed audience of HK players
Probably because Kickstarter
Yeah
Yeah but generally when you spend more time on something it gets better, although I totally understand if you think that as you work on a game it gets worse @glossy jackal
Kickstarter also carries certain expectations
Exactly. HK didnt take long because TC was on a limited budget and had to get the game out before they went bankrupt. With silksong they take as long as they please without their financial constraints or pressure to present to kickstarter backers
That was sarcastic
SS is in a pretty different situation
Yes they have money now
And one ostensibly more conducive to a more unimpeded creative process
They can afford to do cool shit
But you don't market to the already existing fanbase right
I don't think TC won't be losing out at least somewhat if they stay silent for two years
You miss the point, while it does take time for a game to be be made great, sometimes a product is badly made regardless of the time spent on it
Longer development time is unfortunately not a guarantee of success
okay and what evidence points to SS being badly made?
You don't market to an already existing fanbase usually, that's why the blogposts and edge were kinda weird, but marketing to a new audience doesn't really make sense at this stage
@glossy jackal Ifnyou couldnโt tell, that was sarcastic
But from HK I think itโs reasonable to assume SS will be at least pretty good
Newcomers probably aren't going to be invested enough to remember SS for all that long
Who hear is sad about Terrariaโs final update? Just wondering since I saw people talking about otherworld
Why not? (The second half of that)
Isn't SS free for original kickstarter backers too?
I just don't see the intense need to get an update. They're alive and working. As much as fans feel like they do, TC has no obligation to post regular updates.
I think if you over do a game it can get worse but I donโt think TC would do that
i am
ah never mind you already answered (in part? Not sure)
Yeah that's my response
People always believe that because they did it one way it's always gonna be that way, when in fact this is a whole different setup they're working with
I have a bad habit of breaking up messages 
Iโm gonna make A hollow knight version of my avatar cus I can
So how important will the Conductors be?
I mean Monomon wrote the Elegy for Hallownest and she was important lore-wise.
So I'd assume the Conductors will be somewhat important
Well even if you are catering to fans, Edge is still a large publication that will undoubtedly attract new fans. Plus, word of mouth and social media posts do wonders of spreading a game
sky city also so if one of them is right i can say i predicted it (ik the colors are way too flashy and wierd its just supposed to show the place an stuff)
Word of mouth is done without their actions, and blogposts weren't on social media afaik (and people reading a blogpost about something they've never heard of is questionable imo)
Yeah and the riddles too were just on Discord initially
None of it (as in blogposts/riddles) particularly strikes me as something designed to bring new people in
Exactly, it's fodder for the fans
The vast majority of SS players are probably gonna be already existing HK players, their main form of advertising is word of mouth
Which is sorta what one tries to avoid with a sequel, no? 
I doubt it'll be the case that the vast majority (like 75%+) of SS players played HK first, although that would kinda depend on how it becomes regarded. They're designing it to be as serviceable an introduction to the series as HK was, but if it gets a reputation as a sequel then maybe not
Even if new players are drawn in, they're not gonna have a clue who hornet is or why shes fighting bugs because they havent played HK. Theres only a certain level of separation you can do from the original
You don't need to know who Hornet is necessarily
She can be reintroduced for the benefit of new players (and the more inattentive, forgetful, or rusty returning ones)
And so far thatโs kinda what it takes. With so many triple A titles itโs hard to get most people to even look at Metroidvanias like HK. I had to have my friend play in HoG for a minute ( early bosses) so he would want it and I still ended up buying it for him
I mean, you didn't know who the Knight/Ghost was and why they were in Hallownest until later and TC said that SS was going to explore Hornet's past so maybe we will get more infor and context about her early life in Hallownest.
Well personally I would want to play the first one first, if Iโm gonna play both anyways even if itโs ยซย worstย ยป it would still be better to start with the first, then idk about everyone else
Make up your minds, either Team Cherry cares about other games or they donโt, canโt have it both ways
That's a matter of preference, playing games out of order is often very much a viable option, especially if the game is designed to be newcomer-friendly
I suppose so but from what we've seen her introduction is her being carried away from hallownest, and using abilities introduced in HK. New players will be left wondering "where did they take her from" and "why does she have those powers"
She regains those powers over the course of the game, she doesn't start with them
She can bind early on but that wasn't a HK ability anyways, and while some of her toolkit is modeled after her HK abilities that isn't a problem
Returning players will recognize familiar things, new players will just treat them like anything else, totally new
I would argue that inicial y the majority ( more than half) will be returning fans but SS is widely talked about on YT so I think progressively more new players will come too. And ultimately I think SS will make HK look like what it is. A solid first game that still lacked a lot of thing
Also it would kinda wierd and detrimental to the pacing of the game if SS had a huge dumping expostion of like almost an hour before the beginning of the game explaining were Hornet came from like a Metal Gear Solid cutscene.
Oh it wouldn't have to do that
We already see the game tell you that she's a spider in the Lace fight, more things like that would suffice
Yeah, but some people don't like subtlety in their narrative and must spoon feed them constantly.
well tough for them ig
Well initially yeah, probably, but I was more speaking long term
Then the narrative is probably not going to be their thing anyways
Then the HK series is not for them
Iโm confused, Iโm just saying that TC has to compete with huge 3D and FPS games that are many times more popular genres so advertising their game is more difficult and many new players may need to be convinced to look at a metroidvania like SS
That's why the game specifies that these words are for higher beings alone
This would sound ranty, but stories, any kind of story, should always left some ambiguity or just don't explain every minutia to let the audience some space for their imagination. Netflix Cowbow Bebop commits the sin to overexplain certain elements to the point of losing the mystic of the original anime.
When SS releases there will likely be a lot of YouTube traffic surrounding it, so TC probably wont have to do much as SS will just slip into peoples recommended
Explaining everything is also just not possible, and trying is only a waste of time
Ss will def have alot of bigger creators playing it unlike hk
Irrelevant information is pointless
I mean
People can like one part of the game while disliking another ๐ฅด
Man you really like that emoji
God doesnโt explain anything to us so why would a game creator need to?
I use it a lot recently yeah
I agree with that, the only reason people still make HN content is because of the ambiguity and lack of explanation. If they spoofed everything then no one would make videos about it anymore

smh did nobody ever tell you that something is either 100% perfect or a total garbage fire????
Of course but a large part of games like HK is their subtle world building. That is what keeps people talking about it, the little clues spurring endless discussion. This is just my opinion though
Fire Emblem fans amirite
To me ending a message with ๐ฅด gives a lighter vibe than, say, 
This seems very subjective tbh
Like my favorite part of games like these is wondering about the background mysteries
not all of us ok
Iโm just teasing, Tammo
It's true though that some fe fans struggle with subjectivity, but then again that's true of people in general
The various huge corpses scattered here and there, the abyss ocean, what lies beyond the howling cliffs

But I can see some people disliking that precisely because itโs so vague
That's fine
I think pretty much everyone here likes that aspect of HK and would like to see it continue in Silksong
They don't have to like it, but it's how TC does things, and TC shouldn't feel pressured to change it because not everybody will necessarily love it
Really just limited time and funds worked into the story
When you try too hard to cater to everybody you kinda end up necessarily mediocre
With the exception of the abyss sea the other stuff is almost surely deliberate
Generally better to make something fewer people will love than many people will just like.
Well it's a little accident that worked I suppose, because the fanbase is still around
At least from a quality/artistic perspective
I expect that TC could and perhaps would make a game with more specific narrative but they have kinda implied a continued interest in vague elements
Yea, it's different from a business/money making aspect.
Yeah, there it's more about how many people buy it than how much they enjoy it
It wasnโt really an accident more like deliberate steps to work around limitation. Quite genius if you ask me. They turned limitations into a feature that many adore
Too many games are this way nowadays
As the industry grows so does the pressure to prioritize money
Damn we really do live in a society :sadcowboy:
Problem is when Someone makes a game that I love si artistically that it ruins most joy I get from lesser games designed to sell rather than express and share
The fact the emote doesnโt work makes it just as good
is Silksong coming out in February?
yes ๐
most likely no
Well and as ambition grows particularly in graphics the more limitations you have financially and such. You have to sell games to a lot since dedicated fan base will never be enough to fully pay for a game
We don't know, I hope in the next Nintendo direct
Y e s.
||(I am totally sane you can indeed trust me)||
but they announced the release date
Unless directs are planned like a year in advance, trying to correlate directs with the (bogus) leak is straight up wrong
If all our prayers are finally answered then yes next February seems reasonable
They did not
i mean some of us on reddit saw the prediction
wait
right?
did I actually got rickrolled
Whatever you think you saw, it wasn't that
yea thats true
it will come out when it does
Well nvidia is not connected to Nintendo so perhaps we could see something maybe not febuary but perhaps sometime soonโฆ. Or we get the same as before and continue slowly slipping into madness

I've played Hollow Knight a couple months back and haven't enjoyed any other game since (talking about metroidvanias). Except Metroid Dread I just finished
I thought it's coming out next month ๐ฆ
if there isnt anything next month, imma just play witch queen and thats it
if not silksong then some nonplusultra destiny 2 expansion
Oh you poor soul you are in the midst of the vicious new fan craze. Most of us have been here over a year I think
Also rampant misinformation
yeah febuary 2023

Release date just got leaked
it didnt dumbass
February 30th
Very funny
real and true
NO

Its real and true indeed
guys monkey would never lie
show me proof then?
Trust me bro
just trust him bro
Feb 30th
Monkey isnโt purposely lying but monkey is dumb enough to actually believe it 
How the hell would it have been leaked. There company is like 5 guys
why do you think he's lying?
two arguing monkeys really?
It's a joke, February doesn't even have a 30th
Please read the date again ๐ฅด
i know
Smartest discord user
i will out-evolve you
listen shut up
Kritten, you are just too smart
How can you? I have ascended over the peak form of mortals
but monkeys are smarter
Damn feeling real smart now
fuk you gies im just gonna continue working on a shitty video
anyway silksong awesome
Proof?
proof?
proof?
proof my as-
if you insist
Ayo? ๐คจ
Donโt worry Kritten they just bein silly Monkeys monkeying around
they offered, as a businessman i cant let a good deal pass by
ooh ooh ah ah monkey business
yea
even if its mispelled i like that
I love that emote I will actually mod mail it I mean in what situation would you not use it?
at a funeral?
Oh good one๐คฃ
now this is a language i understand
Oh mikael died? Really dude?
Honestly any emote would be better than half of the current ones
I assume this is that time of the day when people lose their mind because no news?
Oops that be auto correct. I need to turn it off
No thats all the time
i have never had my mind
Alright, I'm gonna commit dream no more
This is the time of day where u read smth like "I shit yourself"
No we have about an hour and a half to go before then
i shit yourself
Indeed
I shit myself
yeah you too
Mommy I pissed the bed
Maybe one day you will evolve one
wow he's literally me 
y'all can stop now thanks
that is very wishfull thinking
The offtopic incident
Bruh is that sherma
evolve to crab
this is an everyday thing
also gm
I know
abandon monke
Noooo
than forever be a damned monke
Hey incontenense is a real problem
Evolve to hagfish
damn 
The perfect animal
evolve to shark?
...
i dont think i have ever seriously talked about silksong in here
Maybe having mods isnt a bad idea after all
do you want to?
imma evolve into a tapeworm
no
devolve more like
That looks right the way I smell you talking right now
You can lure your tapeworm out with a hamburger then smack it when you see it
well theres not much to talk about
create some fake news
I am a medical doctor
Yes hot air balloon at deep docks lava lake

They means ss related fake news
Yes hot air balloon at deep docks lava lake is cool. The hot air from the lava is rising and making the balloons go up
That does work. Or you can kill it with a pill
That is very smart
That is not how it works sadly (canโt tell if your joking or not tho)
Y'all think we'll perhaps get a Silksong Demake version category on speedrun.com?
I've been playing a particular demake from itch.io so much
Whats a demake
Less features
come smell me some more
Isnt that just a worse version of a game then
not necessarily, maybe more simpler
and ss isnt out
No thanks you can smell my fear just be looking at me so Iโll just keep quiet
Looks like smth u find on nitrome
so this all we got
yes
thats what i thought
if the dev makes it too good would tc do the nintendo and take it down
See that would be a good reaction there
well guess you truly are right
Please
Well it comes from the base yellow emote but the Sherma thing is from me
Anyways first imma smooth it up a bit if it actually becomes an emote it would be sad to have an unpolished thing quickly made
I kinda think the scratchy look adds to it
As a bonus I may add it works well with a gun emote, which is actually not really a good thing but... eh yeah
||(That makes a lot of Sherma emote talk but chat is dead anyways so itโs not like itโs disturbing a conversation)||
Hollow knight voidheart edition release date when
idk, probably 2018 tbh
Just post the emote in modmail
if its good i'd vote for it
Though we are getting kinda low on static emote slots. 25 left
I have appeared 
remove all wholesome emotes



well thats not gonna be very wholesome for the mortician
I'll give them extra cash
valid response
Still no news I see.
Oh trust me if there were news this channel would've been muted. 
That hasn't really been the case
It's only been when things got..... ugly..... that the channel was muted
As if this channel going insane won't compensate for that.
tell me about a time things got ugly
tga, a handful of directs
Ah TGA and indie world. That was a trip.
It's Team Cherry's fault for not keeping us updated at all.
it gets ugly whenever I show up in chat
the trouble causer
This channel gets ugly when we don't get news, which makes me scared for when we DO get news
when we do get news its gonna be paradise
When we do get news there aren't as many salty people complaining
Chat gets fast but it doesn't get horribly toxic
though the salty 7 year old are very fun to sarcastically respond to
They're not obligated to give us news tho.
people fight over who gets to read the blogposts
geez
Before you engage I would suggest you look up this person's message history
Why
So that you can reevaluate the decision
tell us about their history
It's been over a year now. Would it kill them to give us a small bit of news?
