sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

It would bungle their opportunity to actually announce a date

[cunning geode]

yeah. bungle

[worldly quarry]

Yeah that is true

[modest night]

oh i doubt it would be feb 1st, the month tho

[opaque sigil]

It would also mean there's a reasonable chance that the date is artificial and TC could be rushing it out

[modest night]

you never know

[opaque sigil]

If they actually put that in as an absolute date

[cunning geode]

i could see it still coming out sometime in February

[modest night]

i can't but for the sake of the channel i'll say i'm neutral

[cunning geode]

for the sake of this sake

have some sake

[stable quiver]

They have been working on it for 4 years, can they really be rushed? I don’t know anything about game development so I’m actually asking

[opaque sigil]

If they end up releasing it before it's really ready, yes

[cunning geode]

took 9 years for TF2

give or take

[opaque sigil]

If the game should take 5 years, and they release it after 4, that's rushed

[stable quiver]

Do games like SS take more then 4 years?

[opaque sigil]

Doesn't really matter

[mortal bluff]

Silksong has a base of code from hollowknight and already has assets that work like rocks and plants

[opaque sigil]

It's more about TC's process than the standards of the genre

[ocean mulch]

Only leftover boneforest assets

[lean compass]

Hello chat

[opaque sigil]

Imagine if they reused grass

[burnt topaz]

and even from 2019, weve seen assests be redone

[opaque sigil]

SS grass is much better than HK grass

[worldly quarry]

We don't really know the scope but if you ask me based on everything we know the soonest I see it releasing is August

[fallow rock]

the face of my old pfp

[modest night]

i can imagine them reusing code but sprites would be odd

[burnt topaz]

i can imagine in early development reusing sprites but this late in? nah

[pine linden]

Probably with really small or less noticable assets

[worldly quarry]

It really just depends in when tc thinks the game is ready because I don't think they'll rush it

[opaque sigil]

Yeah old sprites as placeholders would make some sense, but not in the final game

[coarse leaf]

the final boss is just recolored radiance

[pine linden]

Based

[burnt topaz]

gilded radiance

[pine linden]

Yeah I really doubt they will

[fallow rock]

THE RECOLORED RADIANCE
the cheap store version of the radiance

[tardy folio]

i really believe tc will drop silksong date two weeks before the game release as it was with HK in 2017

[opaque sigil]

They might

[scenic coral]

hope so

[haughty brook]

I expect something similar

[mortal crow]

I think that the final boss will be a giant spool of thread

[worldly quarry]

Things might change since they have a huge fanbase now but yeah I do still see that happening

[fallow rock]

lighting bolts strike twice in different ways

[small goblet]

purple radiance

[worldly quarry]

Yellow raidiance

[mortal crow]

Invisible radiance

[fallow rock]

black radent

[worldly quarry]

No radiance

[small goblet]

any radiance

[worldly quarry]

Zote radiance

[pine linden]

Easy fight tbh

[radiant wraith]

Radiance but red

Also known as Apple Radiance

That's the final boss of Silksong

[fallow rock]

no the final boss for silksong is #sk-discussion itself because it's meta

[vivid belfry]

According to graig, the game would have released by now if they were rushing it or even behaving within normal design expectations

TC just doesn't know how to take "enough" as an answer it seems

[opaque sigil]

Or it just isn't at their standards yet

[radiant wraith]

I hope they are not crunching too hard

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but without any superior entity forcing them to crunch I assume they're being sane about it

[vivid belfry]

I'm about to crunch your bones hard

[opaque sigil]

If they ever feel like they're overworked they have the freedom to take breaks as needed

[worldly quarry]

Yeah as much as I'm sure all of us want it I don't want them to burn themselves out while making it

[radiant wraith]

Indie devs crunch often enough

[vivid belfry]

🤜 🤚

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but when TC does it it's purely voluntary

[fallow rock]

crunch mode is there ULTRA INSTICNT FORM

[radiant wraith]

I guess it's fine, as long as it's not because of community pressure

[opaque sigil]

They aren't beholden to financial constraints either (at least not as much)

If they crunch it's presumably because they want to crunch

It definitely isn't because they have to

[lost coyote]

yeah TC work hard and frequently because they genuinely enjoy making games

[coarse leaf]

no texts for 30 mins lol

[lament lotus]

what

[ocean mulch]

Ched

[modest night]

it's kinda their job too

[lament lotus]

kinda

[jade canopy]

Well idk how TC handles their lives, but there is always the possibility for creatives to overwork themselves, without really any other pressure than themselves

[scenic coral]

sliksong

[fringe pulsar]

:up

[wheat sail]

no no they have the PASSION for the games they are only doing it cause they love us

they would give it to us for free if they could!

[ocean mulch]

If they did that leth would go to Australia by swimming and slap them with a shark

[lament lotus]

damn leth must be buff if he can swim to australia and slap tc with a whole shark

[ashen harbor]

Sliksnog

[uncut citrus]

rare pic of leth:

[lament lotus]

lore

[wheat sail]

taking hk lore seriously when tc says all game endings are canon or something

[prime fox]

bruh

[rotund yoke]

E

[rancid junco]

taking hk lore seriously when tc says there is no lore

[sacred stratus]

TC: yeah there is no lore
also TC: ok so this game has child genocide, social-economic hierarchy and self sacrafice

[serene chasm]

HK is all lore

[haughty brook]

Don't forget the implied religious fanatism on what we saw in SS

[chilly nexus]

I just realized that if we make it to summer 2022 with no SS, the game will have been, in our minds, "coming soon" for 3 years :p

[opaque sigil]

Hey at least TC didn't stick with the original No Eyes concept

[haughty brook]

I think I prefer No Eyes backstory left to interpretation

[uncut citrus]

why are we talking about HK lore in there

[ocean mulch]

What was it originally

[burnt topaz]

hk lore and ss lore are one in the same

[coarse leaf]

no ears

[ocean mulch]

[small goblet]

iirc her kids (or students idk) ate here eyes

[ocean mulch]

That's wholesome

[burnt topaz]

yeah something like that

[burnt topaz]

more like hole some

[uncut citrus]

[daring hemlock]

Are we sure silk song is real and it isn’t just mass hysteria? I mean this could just be a shared hallucination

[burnt topaz]

its real, i touched it once

[uncut citrus]

i saw it with my own eyes

[haughty brook]

Silksong is not real lol lmao how original /s

[uncut citrus]

ok thats a lie i used someone else's eyes

but still!

[daring hemlock]

Can you use my eyes?

👀

[burnt topaz]

mmm eyes

[uncut citrus]

if they arent connected to your brain you wont see anything anyways, but you could say your eyes saw silksong so i guess

[daring hemlock]

My favorite snack

[daring hemlock]

THANK YOU

[uncut citrus]

also thats alot of potatoes

[daring hemlock]

I just got a piece of popcorn out of my teeth- I haven’t eating popcorn in like a week

[uncut citrus]

uhh np i guess? i wont be able to get close to silksong probably till it release tho so im not sure how that would help

[daring hemlock]

How did you see it before then?

[uncut citrus]

kinda not so legals ways

i mean it wasnt really illegal or anything, just probably not plan- anyays Tools? anyone? cmon what about the orange one?

[daring hemlock]

You broke into australia didn’t you because all australia is to me is british cowboys, kangaroos, and Hollow knight

[chilly nexus]

[nimble radish]

oof

[haughty brook]

I kinda think the oriange liquid in the bottle maybe honey or something of a similar substance that works like the Hive charm in HK. We have the lifeblood needle so something that also functions as a tool version of the Hive charms could be possible too.

[uncut citrus]

kinda too orange to be honey imo

[burnt topaz]

maybe the casing is orange

[uncut citrus]

i thought about that, and uGHhhh i geuss?

[daring hemlock]

Or hornet is capable of wielding the infection and this is in fact a prequel

[burnt topaz]

so it makes the honey more orange because its made of honeycomb or something

[opaque sigil]

Red tool though, so it can't work like hiveblood

[uncut citrus]

honey can be pretty orange so maybe

[daring hemlock]

Is it just me or is honey transparent

[uncut citrus]

assuming red tools are active, but im pretty sure nobody doubt it at this point

[opaque sigil]

Red tools are active, that's... that's how it works

[uncut citrus]

wait we are sure?

i mean like confirmed

[daring hemlock]

wth are red tools

[burnt topaz]

it definitely makes the most sense given all the info we have

[uncut citrus]

or just speculation but its obvious

[opaque sigil]

Obvious

[opaque sigil]

And like it would be a weird as hell design choice to have like one or two non-active tools in the red slots, that would just be nonsensical

[daring hemlock]

That isn’t orange???!!!!

[olive bobcat]

No it's red

[uncut citrus]

(the bottle is in fact, orange)

[burnt topaz]

also a hint of dark blue

[daring hemlock]

Or you’re color blind

[opaque sigil]

It's orange but it's categorically a red tool

[uncut citrus]

the bottle

are you talking about the bottle

[olive bobcat]

The bottle is orange, the category is red

[uncut citrus]

pretty sure im not color blind but even then everoyne calls it orange so idk maybe your color blind

[daring hemlock]

That is bright yellow with dark yellow in the center and a dark blue band, lid, and handle

[opaque sigil]

No, it's orange

[olive bobcat]

Idk about dark blue but the rest is right

[opaque sigil]

It's like the orangest orange possible

[haughty brook]

The catogorie is red because are consumable tools aka you have a limit number of uses before you go to a bench to replenishing them.

[uncut citrus]

i guess the side are kinda yellow? but thats just light, the bottle itself is orange

[nimble radish]

you might want to get a colour picker my dude

[daring hemlock]

Yes it’s a red tool but like it’s yellow

[burnt topaz]

other red tools

[opaque sigil]

Nah it's all orange

[serene chasm]

looks pretty orange to me

[daring hemlock]

what’s a color picker

[warm bone]

orange= red+yellow

[opaque sigil]

If it looks yellow to you either you are color blind or something's wonky with your screen

[daring hemlock]

that is orange

[daring hemlock]

This is yellow

[uncut citrus]

that color was taken from the bottle

[long marsh]

aren't they literally the same colour?

[opaque sigil]

I'm just gonna assume this is a joke...

[uncut citrus]

(at least thats what i understands)

[daring hemlock]

I’m delusional then

[burnt topaz]

unfortunately so

[serene chasm]

Yup. I took a color picker and got the color from the bottle and zoomed it out

[burnt topaz]

anyways the red tools

[daring hemlock]

I think now is a good time to mention I might be color blind

[nimble radish]

I could have figured that out on my own I think

[daring hemlock]

But it’s a red green color blind not orange

[serene chasm]

The menu and the black background can confuse your eyes.
I see the above as green though I know its more blue

[uncut citrus]

we had alot of #food-discussion, #other-video-games-discussion, #hk-lore-discussion... in this channel, but its the first time i see a #what-color-is-that-discussion

[burnt topaz]

you can use the orange jar at least 3 times

make of that what you will

[uncut citrus]

[serene chasm]

circle is stupid

[burnt topaz]

and theres this thing

[uncut citrus]

(this means i wont make good use of it)

[chilly nexus]

That's actually a true value-added/something-new comment. I love it

[burnt topaz]

im just scrolling through the edge screenshots to see the red tools

speaking of the amount of times you can use something, this looks to have many uses considering its just a little over a quarter of the way i think or its at least some multiple of 4

same idea with the drill

and with the other drill-lancer thing could be 3 idk, the thing is blocking it

[chilly nexus]

I feel like maybe 10 uses on that one? that looks to be about three fifths of a half

maybe five eighths and 16 uses

[waxen agate]

That was orange btw ^^

[burnt topaz]

triple straight pin you can obviously use a fair bit but thats to be expected, probably like 10 or 12

regular straight pin is 12

[chilly nexus]

looks like 16 yeah

I'm surprised the triple pin would be a straight upgrade in tool quality and shard efficiency

unless this is later in the game and hornet has had shard capacity (useable, not total stored for repairs) increased

[burnt topaz]

the rest of the red tools shown are either full or all used up
so no more speculation

[daring hemlock]

I swear if there is math in SS to be good i’m going to cry

[burnt topaz]

thats a screenshot from this

[chilly nexus]

I see red tools and shell shards as basically equivalent to sekiro's prosthetic system and spirit emblems

[burnt topaz]

so it could potentially be late game
also the lampposts in the background look super pretty

theyre also right outside bell city which i never really noticed before or at least appear to be

[tribal schooner]

I think this is one of the hunting missions that were mentioned in the trailer

[burnt topaz]

yeah i agree

[chilly nexus]

I hope the large bug's slams cause mild screen shakes

[uncut citrus]

maybe a way to balance would be make the tool cost more to repair, thought that woudnt be the best way, it can add a little bit of balance

[tribal schooner]

And NPCs seem to help you with some side quests so that’ll be interesting. Reminds me of cloth which was a really cool part of HK. Maybe they want to build more on that idea

[serene chasm]

Zaza is so going to die

[tribal schooner]

Maybe the three shards have shorter range like a shotgun

[chilly nexus]

That's what I allude to with my last comment yeah^ 👍 say the triple pin costs 4 shards per use, and the single pin costs 3 per use, but at the beginning of the game hornet can only actively hold 30 shards, and the triple pin screenshot shows her holding 60 actively (with up to 400/800 being saved to repair tools when she rests)

[uncut citrus]

i mean obviously it cant be a total upgrade, must be meant to use diffrent or, as @chilly nexus said, be way more endgame, but i meant like in general, shard cost could balance

[opaque sigil]

She doesn't actively hold shards? You only repair tools on benches

[proud vale]

It’s weird that we see Hornet doing a down slash here as we’re normally used to her performing a pogo instead

[tribal schooner]

That giant bug is wearing a mask

[burnt topaz]

all these EDGE screenshots are so cool

[chilly nexus]

actively is a weird word yeah, but I mean it just in the same way sekrio holds 15-20 spirit emblems "actively" but has a stock of hundreds of spirit emblems you can replenesh that from when you rest

[burnt topaz]

i hope we get to walk across this giant bridge in the background or at least something like it

[tribal schooner]

I noticed that too but I think the combat mechanics will likely be much more varied than HKs combat.

[opaque sigil]

The only time shell shards are used is when at benches

[chilly nexus]

I love gaunlets on bridges

[proud vale]

Yeah like it would be sick to choose whether to downslash instead of pogo as a free option

[opaque sigil]

And separate tools have separate wheels, so it's not like there's a stock of shards she draws from

[chilly nexus]

very true

[proud vale]

I wonder how it’s gonna feel completely running out of tools uses until you sit at a bench to repair stuff

[opaque sigil]

Well it'll probably take some getting used to

[tribal schooner]

Well I was thinking if you have the sprint button as a shoulder button you could hold it down while on mid air , which would do nothing to her movement, but maybe it would change the nature of her attacks resulting in dashing and lunging insead of only the basic directional input like TK

[opaque sigil]

Sprinting does activate midair

It's the same button as dash

[tribal schooner]

So there would be sprint activated combat and normal combat

[opaque sigil]

You can't really swap between those easily

There's no button that would do that

[tribal schooner]

It would just be a matter of holding down the sprint button vs not

[opaque sigil]

There isn't a sprint button

There's a dash button, holding that down leads to a sprint

[tribal schooner]

A shoulder button is pretty easy to hold down mid fight. You do it in Zelda all the time. Tho I guess computer player could struggle so there is that

[opaque sigil]

That button would also make you dash

And you would be unable to dash quickly while in that mode

Do you know what I mean when I say it's the dash button?

It's the button bound to a mothwing cloak analogue

You can't just have that held down all the time

[tribal schooner]

Yeah you are just saying they are the same one right and that your normal dash is the default entry unless you hold it which would lead to a sprint after your dash correct?

[opaque sigil]

And you can't press it to modify an attack

[opaque sigil]

Yes, so the AC style shenanigans won't work

[tribal schooner]

I thought the screenshot of the controls showed something different but I’m not sure now. Either way it would be cool to spice up combat by having a button change your input to something different

[tribal schooner]

AC?

[opaque sigil]

Except that button is very much already in use

[tribal schooner]

Yeah…..

[opaque sigil]

And that sort of system is convoluted and counterintuitive anyways, SS is already more complex even without that sort of thing

[opaque sigil]

Assassin's Creed did something somewhat similar with high/low profile actions

[tribal schooner]

How is it complex the tools will have a level of complexity but HKs combat was pretty simple tbh

[tribal schooner]

Oh I didn’t know that

[opaque sigil]

Additional silk management and more proactive pogo spacing

Plus faster overall since no focus

And HK combat is simple but that's not bad

Complex combat systems get clunky and overdrawn

[tribal schooner]

I think the sprint toggle was prompted by the understanding that hornet could do a regular down pogo or a diagonal one based on weather she was sprinting “midair” or not

[opaque sigil]

HK combat excelled because it was simple

[opaque sigil]

She can't, it behaves the same either way

[tribal schooner]

I suppose that’s true

[opaque sigil]

Normal downslash is worse anyways

Including it wouldn't really make sense

[tribal schooner]

I’m going to miss regular down pogo then haha

[ocean mulch]

I don't understand complex combat mechanics

[vivid belfry]

downslash is worse at easy hits and better at completely nullifying threats, so yes it's good that it's gone

[ocean mulch]

Mhm

Yeah it completely nullifies anything

[vivid belfry]

other than GPZ tripping on a bug

silksong pogo would make that attack fair

[ocean mulch]

So true bestie

[vivid belfry]

also it's a shame that hornet seemingly doesn't have a double jump, because I think it would compliment her version of pogo much more than the knight's

being able to make such a lenient midair adjustment would make landing pogos a lot easier, though I guess the same could be said of floating

[ocean mulch]

Floating can be cool

[coarse leaf]

floating reminds me of Princess Peach from Mario Bros

[languid linden]

Hi chat

Okay wifi is trash

[vivid belfry]

if we're right about how floating works, it's hilarious how they chose to reveal it

"Hey Ari, should I hold the button in this footage?"
"nah just tap it"

[trim estuary]

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's not a bad way to tease it

[fringe pulsar]

🤮

[burnt topaz]

what? you dont like tools, kid?

[uncut citrus]

If hornet does get double jump her horizontal aerial distance would be like Kirby in smash bros (but I guess TK has crystal heart, so horizontal distance isn’t much a problem in HK, maybe it will be the same in silksong?)

[fringe pulsar]

im sorry

[uncut citrus]

Np, normal reaction upon joining this channel

[burnt topaz]

well we also have the grapple though i think thats like an equippable skill

[gray lance]

tools

[uncut citrus]

Yeah I thought about that, that’s why I say it’s so long: long jump + pogo that cancel into a jump + Dress floating + dash + double jump + grappling + spike tools you can throw and pogo off of = long

And we don’t even know everything so

[true vine]

is there a

[uncut citrus]

Hornet can probably jump further than me without taking our size difference into account

[burnt topaz]

omg hes fading away by the day

[wanton crest]

as most real life bug could

[uncut citrus]

In one week it’s gonna be « I »

[burnt topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/696503817524609085/907561838382833694/896860777208758344.gif

[uncut citrus]

Also this helps alot, « I » is still trying to overcome « the » in most used times used on that server

[burnt topaz]

wtf how is the used more than i

[uncut citrus]

Barely

This is why we should get I higher

By using more « I » than... the other word

[opaque sigil]

The is an article, I is a pronoun. One gets used more than the other

[burnt topaz]

oh it doesnt count every instance of i

that makes more sense then

[uncut citrus]

It’s just every message with it yes

[burnt topaz]

well, this very conversation is helping to inflate the use of i
hope youre pleased

[opaque sigil]

And the

[uncut citrus]

Guys I’m actually so stupid it hurts

[opaque sigil]

Referring to this?

[burnt topaz]

oh god

[uncut citrus]

I tried not to use « the » by instead saying « the other word »

[opaque sigil]

[uncut citrus]

[burnt topaz]

the hollow knight

[uncut citrus]

This is the only reason « the » is higher, the is cheating so we must get « l » back into first place cause the cheated

[digital glen]

I tought you were talking about Mario 64 for a moment

[burnt topaz]

replace every the you use with i now

[lost walrus]

I are an amazing person and I are the greatest

[uncut citrus]

That is I stupidest idea I’ve ever heard

[mint valve]

whats going on?

[uncut citrus]

Don’t use « the » ever again from now on, use « i » instead okay

Yes, I word was needed there to show but now you must use I instead

[burnt topaz]

or just censor it like t*e

[serene chasm]

why are we murdering the english language?

[burnt topaz]

its not the english language, just one word

[opaque sigil]

The number of uses of "the" is higher than that of "I" and apparently that will not stand

[uncut citrus]

(Someone sens a screen of how close « i » and « the » are from each other in total times used on this server I’m on mobile so I can only see number of pages)

[true vine]

agreed, i reign of "t*e" will finally end

[burnt topaz]

they arent though thats whats funny, they are 80,000 apart

[serene chasm]

the the the the the the

[opaque sigil]

The has 4.4 mil, I has 4.3 mil

[burnt topaz]

4,420,988 and 4,348,399

[serene chasm]

Is this what we've come to?

[true vine]

wow

[uncut citrus]

I FOUND T*E WAY!

[burnt topaz]

so around 1/3 of all the messages on this server include either i, the or both

[serene chasm]

• found the way

[opaque sigil]

Good luck remembering to do that

[serene chasm]

The > *

[uncut citrus]

No I mean

Check this out:

[opaque sigil]

You know that counts right

[uncut citrus]

I’ll chance the name

[true vine]

in order to get that emoji you probably had to type ":t[*]e"

[uncut citrus]

Change*

[burnt topaz]

the wrong reply

[true vine]

dang it wrong reply

[uncut citrus]

I know I said I’ll change name

[viral pivot]

th

[uncut citrus]

And now look at that! th

[upbeat delta]

it's not lined up with the rest of the line im gonna shit

[uncut citrus]

If someone join and asks what’s going on rn idk what to say

[upbeat delta]

in fairness i just joined and pieced it together real quick

[burnt topaz]

now i gotta check out the <<the>> and <<i>> ratio in other servers

[uncut citrus]

Is that better?

[opaque sigil]

no

[burnt topaz]

boy you are gonna love the jerma985 server

[uncut citrus]

Hum too smol

[viral pivot]

smol but more on the line

bit above tho

[burnt topaz]

a positive i:the ratio

[uncut citrus]

[opaque sigil]

All ratios are positive

[burnt topaz]

positive for the cause i guess

[burnt topaz]

but only by 70,000 so it could catch up

[uncut citrus]

Unless this one

||Plz don’t let me die here react||

...

||(This was a joke like « ratio » where the comment gets more like/reaction so you were supposed to react to the reply so it makes a ratio and it’s funny )||

[burnt topaz]

oh im aware what it was

[uncut citrus]

Anyways, back to

[coarse leaf]

so people have started dying from the lack of SS updates

[uncut citrus]

Wait I need text as well

Look at that isn’t it perfect?

Nope now too low

[coarse leaf]

[burnt topaz]

scroll back like 100 messages

[burnt topaz]

about here

[coarse leaf]

So you believe it be drop in march

[uncut citrus]

Now that one...

[burnt topaz]

i will neither confirm nor deny

[uncut citrus]

...this information

[coarse leaf]

What happened to the February gang

[burnt topaz]

they now go by espoirdefevrier

february hope i guess

[uncut citrus]

February hope

[shell yacht]

common sense

[uncut citrus]

Ehhhhh it’s already way better

[burnt topaz]

if tomorrow you arent using the the emote im gonna be so upset

[uncut citrus]

I will probably use it a lot, i mean with slow mode I usually finish typing before I can send anyways

[burnt topaz]

looks like you got some work to do

[uncut citrus]

But I won’t use it everytimes, cause like I already use 90% of my energy worshipping Sherma god, I can’t use too much on some « I » god

[uncut citrus]

What about « I »

[burnt topaz]

you win this time

[uncut citrus]

[vague fog]

I've taken my daily February Hopium

[uncut citrus]

Over 100 more get nea nea’d

[burnt topaz]

all i see is a narcissistic psycho

why you talking about yourself so much

[uncut citrus]

I just realized wait

If I only have 100 more I than

If I didn’t start using more « I » and less «  » I would actually have more

[burnt topaz]

when did you start consciously making this decision

[uncut citrus]

Lemme check

But I only a few times actually remembered, so not that many times, still probably over 100 difference

Here, tammo started it all by bringing«  »

[narrow lava]

I just realized, but when SS comes out you think there will be a special game profile thing on steam?

[uncut citrus]

It used to be 70k difference, now what is it?

[burnt topaz]

its worse

[uncut citrus]

[burnt topaz]

itsprobably been updated though

4,421,039 and 4,348,449

[uncut citrus]

Y’all?

[burnt topaz]

72,590

[chilly nexus]

I'll leak the SS release date at 10k

[uncut citrus]

Who ‘s up for a fun little challenge while waiting for silksong...

[glossy gazelle]

Yes

[burnt topaz]

not if i get there first

[glossy gazelle]

Light mode moment

[uncut citrus]

We need to make you talk, literally

[chilly nexus]

😮

[serene chasm]

Dr.jacoby ama time

[chilly nexus]

I gtg grab my soup

[serene chasm]

what kind of soup

[burnt topaz]

thats the first question

[chilly nexus]

It's just a bunch of misc vegetables in chicken broth, very simple but cozy

[uncut citrus]

Don’t you mean grab your bowl of soup? Or do you also have soup grabbing power like myself (i)

[uncut citrus]

.

[burnt topaz]

shame i dont have nitro

[uncut citrus]

Like I will in a week

I do consider actually buying nitro... I mean it’s not that useful, but I send over 8mb files a lot in DMs or server not boosted, so without nitro it was way more annoying, and ofc the emotes are the best ever...

[knotty dragon]

i have hope for 2022

[burnt topaz]

you gotta put away the december division title

[serene chasm]

You hold on to that hope

[knotty dragon]

just did

[serene chasm]

Maybe it was for Dec 2022

[uncut citrus]

wait without nitro I cant

[burnt topaz]

just avoid using the

[uncut citrus]

The gun isn’t from that server

Is way less cool than

[marsh ibex]

counterpoint

[burnt topaz]

gunbutreal? wheres the not real gun

[marsh ibex]

buy me nitro

[burnt topaz]

at least you know your money will be going to good use

[uncut citrus]

🔫

[uncut citrus]

Counterpoint: i first buy edge then I consider nitro

[marsh ibex]

what’s a contrepoint

also buy me nitro, edge is just paper

anyone can eat paper

[wheat sail]

nitro is just data

[marsh ibex]

not anyone can eat nitro

[uncut citrus]

I’ll buy digital so it will be same

[burnt topaz]

the

[serene chasm]

counterpoint. Dont be nitro because its a waste of money

[marsh ibex]

alright fine then

be cringe

[uncut citrus]

[uncut citrus]

That was I always thought but damn those emotes are so good

[serene chasm]

Its like 9 dollars a month though. I would get it if it was like 2 or something, but Im pretty sure amazon prime is cheaper

[uncut citrus]

Wait it’s 9? I thought it was like 5 oof

[serene chasm]

Well for us canadians its 9.99 a month of 99.99 for a year

[uncut citrus]

Wait no classic is 5, I’ll just get classic

It is time to go thought all of my messages containing the word «  » and edit them one by one to have

[burnt topaz]

arent there like 2000 of them

[uncut citrus]

(Might actually do that with some when I get the emote to be perfect so I’m sure it actually looks like a normal )

[opaque sigil]

[burnt topaz]

he doesnt know

[uncut citrus]

I

I do see

But I still keep saying stuff before editing to add more I

[burnt topaz]

well its been eternalized so

[opaque sigil]

And that will make a difference in the ratios

[uncut citrus]

Wait really?

[opaque sigil]

no

[burnt topaz]

the ratio may change but does your heart

[uncut citrus]

I thought you said « no difference » nvm

[uncut citrus]

[burnt topaz]

dont test me

[warm bone]

9+10 go

[burnt topaz]

910

[uncut citrus]

Make that your pfp

[burnt topaz]

hmm

[uncut citrus]

Wait no that’s a « I sleep ... » « real stuff » meme with your normal pfp to that one

[uncut citrus]

Also your pfp didn’t update in chat yet, so it’s pretty funny to click on a sleeping Sherma to have it pop up with a gun

[digital glen]

Now every message from you looks menacing

[burnt topaz]

i love you xx ||is this menacing?||

[uncut citrus]

Every messages from me are even more menacing

[digital glen]

It is

[burnt topaz]

oh, thats kinda sad tbh

[uncut citrus]

Why are you saying it in such a menacing way

[digital glen]

Put a chocky milk on your hand and then we can talk

[burnt topaz]

thatll take a minute hold on

[uncut citrus]

Also it’s not like talking doing whatever we’re doing here probably isn’t best use of my time but it probably isn’t best use of my time so imma probably get going

Also:

Tho gruzzer milk one better

[digital glen]

Reminds me of this

[uncut citrus]

Uhhh

[burnt topaz]

my sherma folder is becoming kinda big

actually its only 4mb not that bad

[uncut citrus]

Give me everything in your Sherma folder and I’ll give you everything in mine (I don’t have much but still)

[digital glen]

I remeber seeing this image with the scene of Vaas from FarCry 3 saying to pull the trigger

[burnt topaz]

alright

[uncut citrus]

(I’m on phone rn tho so actually tomorrow)

[burnt topaz]

oops

[brazen needle]

No news?

[lost coyote]

no news today but tomorrow for sure

[narrow lava]

that pin icon..... I wonder what its for

[coral glacier]

Silksong will come out tomorrow trust

[narrow lava]

forsure

[coral glacier]

yes

[supple widget]

What's tomorrow?

I assume that's a joke?

[lost coyote]

I was saying the silksong news phrase

look up a YouTube channel called daily silksong news then look at the comments

[supple widget]

Ah, that

[digital glen]

I found funny people who come here to ask if there were news

If there were news, you would have a few ways to notice

This channel would probably go crazy, there would be a big ping on #hk announcements

And not even talking about the others TC social media and ways to comunicate

[copper nest]

Yeah that's true

[coral glacier]

So was there any news?

[digital glen]

Very fitting pfp

[coral glacier]

Perhaps

How big is the TC team btw?

[copper nest]

3 people?

I think

[coral glacier]

Really?

[digital glen]

Yeah i think so

[vivid belfry]

Ari Gibson, William Pellen, Jack Vine

[marsh ibex]

man

[coral glacier]

So, now i understand why silksong is taking a long time to come out

[vivid belfry]

together? Their name is team cherry Jarilliam Villson

[marsh ibex]

everyone always forgets ** **

[coral glacier]

Jack vine probably was the type of person to use Vine when it used to be a thing

[hollow oracle]

Well there is always tomorrow for more news so let’s see what happens

[coral glacier]

Yes

[serene chasm]

Are you just going to say that everyday until there is news?

[coral glacier]

I mean we dont even need news, itll come out tomorrow

[proud vale]

Jarilliam

[digital glen]

If you say everyday that there will be news tomorrow, eventually you will be right

[coral glacier]

Yes

[cosmic widget]

For every day that passes, the chance of news increases

[coral glacier]

By 0.01%

[drowsy isle]

i wish

[cosmic widget]

We’ll get to 100% someday lmao

[analog forge]

News will come out tomorrow.
No, i dont mean the date, i mean the nebulous concept

[crisp drift]

That implies we'll get a news in 10000 days

[digital glen]

Hollow Kart when?

[tawny cairn]

hollow kart now

just mod crow kart and done

[coral glacier]

Yes

[digital glen]

Imagine Lark's bangers in a kart game

[coral glacier]

Serious question, do you guys think we'll see any void related creatures in SS

and dont say hornet, we already know shes void

[cerulean sable]

i wanna get blasted by steam news with a NOW AVAILABLE splash but with Hornet holding her needle instead in the white flower field with the same energy as this

[cerulean sable]

Sharpe's gang

[coral glacier]

Who?

[cerulean sable]

or at least RELATED to the void

[coral glacier]

Who is sharpe

[coral glacier]

Ooo, that guy

[coral glacier]

But now, will we get void lore tho

[opaque sigil]

[cerulean sable]

yoo im just stating my observation

Jinn knows something about Void shit

so far

[opaque sigil]

No she doesn't

[cerulean sable]

does she not have some dialogue related to it?

[lost coyote]

I watched the fireb0rn video on the geforce leak again and now I'm getting hopeful again someone please tell me it's not coming out

[opaque sigil]

Not related to void, no

[cerulean sable]

i kinda recall people talking about it

hmmm

[opaque sigil]

She just observes that TK has power, like Bardoon

[coral glacier]

Its coming out tomorrow

[lost coyote]

NOOOO

[cerulean sable]

i think i gaslit myself because i swear she talks about the knight having this "emptiness" that reminds her of her masters

[fathom peak]

and that they're more complete like her masters
but yeah no direct linking to void as far as i can tell

Jinn misjudged... The It is not inferior. Perhaps... different? Different to Jinn. More complete? Different... like masters?

[grim forge]

expert gaslighter at work

[coral glacier]

I wonder who is the last boss of ss. Maybe mecha zote

[fleet temple]

I think void could reappear in ss but it wouldn't be the main focus and if anything could be a completely optional part of the game

[coral glacier]

Void stuff is badass

[cerulean sable]

as long as its not some clown fuck id be happy

[coral glacier]

Whats wrong with clowns

[thorn bay]

"Ooohhhh. My masters would be impressed...

Rare it is for one to come to terms with their regrets so completely, yet you seem to have managed it.
What darkness must one wade through to achieve such a thing? "

[lost coyote]

no it will be real zote, he got pissed at everyone for not thinking he was cool so he took over pharloom and made lots of bells for some reason

[opaque sigil]

Yeah Jiji explicitly doesn't know about void

[cerulean sable]

my personal wishful headcanon that most likely has 0 basis but i still think is cool is that the ancient void civilization is like the roman empire at its peak and that it stretches extremely far that majority of the current existing kingdoms will have void deposits far far underneath them

[coral glacier]

I would love to see snail shamans in ss

Cuz lore

[lost coyote]

a boss fight with The Knight would be so cool, with them using the nail and spells like desolate dive and dashing around

it's not likely and doesnt make much sense but I can still hope

[opaque sigil]

I don't think snail shamans would really fit the new setting

[odd plover]

Chonky boy! The scrunky!

[lost coyote]

steel soul chonker

[cerulean sable]

like look at this shit

[lost coyote]

silksong map leaked???

[odd plover]

Ew, italy

[cerulean sable]

yrue

[digital glen]

biblestudy.org

[cerulean sable]

related

but yeah the steel bois will probably have robo speak

[coral glacier]

[odd plover]

Will ss come with a boss rush mode? Or something to extend its life period?

[cerulean sable]

im expecting Sharpe to have a similar voice as Tiso except in a more robotic tone

[digital glen]

Should we analyse every page of the Bible in antecipation of silksong?

[coral glacier]

Yes

[lost coyote]

I hope it comes with at least a way to refight bosses, however many there end up being

[coral glacier]

We should analyze every word in the bible

[cunning geode]

not here, it's nsfw

[digital glen]

True

[thorn bay]

Bit late but SS Jin also says "This It... A rare It. Has not seen many, so vulnerable, but triumphant. Makes Jinn feel a thing... surprise?

Jinn misjudged... The It is not inferior. Perhaps... different? Different to Jinn. More complete? Different... like masters? " *after voidheart

[lost coyote]

yes certainly, team cherry might have hidden the silksong release date somewhere in it

[coral glacier]

🤨 wait it has nsfw?

[cunning geode]

its the bible.

[cerulean sable]

they said not to expect something like godhome but imo its a 2 way of either

"dont expect a boss rush"
"boss rush but not the same way as godhome"

[cunning geode]

of course it does.

[coral glacier]

Yoo im gonna buy the bible

[lost coyote]

the bible has all sorts of shenanigans so yes

[shell yacht]

then u gaslight me too

[cerulean sable]

lots of rad stuff like the time samson effectively used double hit shade souls at goliath to frame perfect effect

[fleet temple]

I think, there will be a way to refight bosses in ss, but there probably won't be a boss rush, and if there is, it won't be tied to an ending

[cerulean sable]

my guess of an implementation would be for a bard to sing and recall hornet's fight

[odd plover]

Tea

[barren roost]

Didn't they say something about how they probably wouldn't do a boss rush in an interview thingy?

[lost coyote]

yeah if they have more bosses than HK, which they probably will, we're gonna end up with like 50 or 60 bosses which would be way too much for one big pantheon like PoH

[cerulean sable]

then if you die he just says "And then you died! No wait shit thats not how the fight went, uhh want me to sing it again?"
"Rematch boss? Yes > No"

[vague heath]

hopefully theres a way to fight bosses again

[serene chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8

[lost coyote]

just one fight against TRRRROBIO will not be enough for me

[cerulean sable]

lmao

this is exactly how i think about it

its like how the MGS remake Twin Snakes

had like overly exaggerated action cutscenes that wasnt part of the original game

and peoples headcanon was that the original MGS is how it really happened, while Twin Snakes was essentially the exaggeration of how Otacon remembered it (because hes a fucking weeb)

[lost coyote]

unrelated but I like your Vi pfp

[cerulean sable]

thanks\

[radiant wraith]

Why does Youtube recommend Shrek the Third after that vid...

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/JBotgpNZv7U?t=255 like heres the original

https://youtu.be/-iUuNLLR99o?t=301

then the remake

people were complaining why the remake was so fucking lavish and shit but just created their own headcanon that it was just Otacon either 1. exaggerating the story 2. he was just so awestruck that he remembered it differently (like how we thought PS1 graphics was super realistic back when we were kids)

so thats ONE way to create harder boss rematches for a Bard system in SS

[digital glen]

I actually like this idea

[cerulean sable]

like the bard would either exaggerate or misremember it with "Oh and then Lace started doing shockwaves everytime she fucking moves and she summons 2 Moss Mothers every 15 seconds"

[digital glen]

The interections with this Bard could be very interesting

[barren roost]

they weren't? I thought the playstation could produce mind-boggling effects!

[cerulean sable]

Its one way to implement it if they dont wanna have another Godmaster esque situation

[cerulean sable]

dont remind me, last time i checked my childhood games my initial reactions was

"Wow, I remember the graphics being way better than this"

[digital glen]

I think it's like that for a lot of people

But sometimes you surprise yourself, Jak & Daxter is gorgeous for a 2001 PS2 game

[cerulean sable]

artstyle really goes a long way

i mean TF2 still has a strong fanbase despite being 14+ years old now

[grim forge]

that's why outer wilds will be timeless

[cerulean sable]

the artstyle didnt age to become another piece of the "Brown shooter"

aka that era where everyone and their mothers were trying to be realistic and overuse this dark hazy overlay color to it

[heady iron]

what about Jak 2 & 3

[cunning geode]

TF2's aesthetic direction caused them to take multiple more years to develop the game

it was 1000% worth it

[heady iron]

they were made specifically to be like gritty shooters

[grim forge]

game probably would have died in the water if they didn't

[cerulean sable]

you get the idea

[cunning geode]

https://youtu.be/RJ5goMBD6oc

this video goes over the topic really well

[grim forge]

nice

[cerulean sable]

seriously the use of silhouette s was amazing

in a lot of games the class of how i kill is just an afterthought

[digital glen]

Every game that can do that should

[serene chasm]

yeah. valve puts a lot of effort into things like that. Listening to the dev commentary of the games is a really interesting look into their game design process.

[digital glen]

L4D2 has some good ones

[serene chasm]

The silhouette thing is one of the aspects that makes HK stand out and play well. Every character has a unique silhouette. and is easy to pick out from the background (looking at you Ori)

[cerulean sable]

L4D2 also had special cues for specific infecteds so you know what to expect

[cerulean sable]

something something too much light everywhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUn8HNpiR3w

[digital glen]

Stuff like that is so cool

[cunning geode]

oh man L4D's design was amazing too

[narrow lava]

thats one very very big thing b4b left out for no reason

[cunning geode]

oh B4B left out... a lot

https://youtu.be/EdRLNUGmFC8

skim through this for a good time

[narrow lava]

I am aware, thats just one of the larger things I hated that they left out, didnt even know how big it was

[cunning geode]

its barely made by the same people

[digital glen]

I was watching that video couple of minutes ago

[haughty brook]

Also B4B suffers from gameplay problems too acording to reviewers on Steam. Also the same guys that made B4B also did Evolve.

[cerulean sable]

back for blood more like Left 4 Diet amirite

[narrow lava]

yea, only 4 turtle rock studio employees worked on l4d games, and probably 2 of them left already

[digital glen]

And then every news article makes seem like its the same dev team

[haughty brook]

More like...Left 4 Dead For Real

[digital glen]

"left 4 dead devs working on a spiritual succesor" 4 dudes

[cerulean sable]

gottem

[fallow rock]

if we had silhouettes like these the world would be much mre different

[digital glen]

No need to make your characters stand out in the scenary, just throw some ugly red outline over them

[cerulean sable]

yeah id be like soldier except with even worst back problems

[digital glen]

Real Life gameplay kinda bad tbh

TTK too low for my taste

[cerulean sable]

bruh the low TTK is my favorite part

(More likes like Insurgency or Red Orchestra needs to be followed)

i once watched a gameplay/review of The Division tho from Ross aka the guy who made Freeman's Mind, and my god at one point he was literally dumping 50 sniper rounds on some guy with full armor and he still didnt kill him

i hate damage sponges

[digital glen]

I'am more in the middle

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/byoCgCrd_dI?t=2485

timestampped

[digital glen]

Noot too low, noot too high
Perfectly balanced as all things should be

[cerulean sable]

i deviate more on being realistic where bullet takes you out in 1-2 hits but yeah i get you that it doesnt work for everything

and a middle ground is fine

[serene chasm]

low ttk like insurgency can be really fun, but I can see why people wouldnt like it. Its becomes more who has the better reaction time then anything else

[cerulean sable]

but if its guns and some human takes 50 shots? nah it just kills it for me, takes the power out of the guns

[digital glen]

Forgot to unping, my bad

[opaque sigil]

Super low ttk trivializes enemies though, imo like 5-6 body shots is fair

Not too flimsy, but not bullet sponges either

[cerulean sable]

yeah, i average 1 kill per 3 death in Insurgency and this is coming from someone whos played the original + sandstorm to close to 500 hours now

[fallow rock]

well thats how video game guns are different from actual guns

[serene chasm]

how is the player base for sandstorm?

[digital glen]

I hated that Hyper Escape game, ttk too high and you would have to chase the enemy for half the match

[shell yacht]

hillarious how at one point Division was supposed to be a destiny killer lmao

[cerulean sable]

if the cost is that bullets itself are rare, then i think its fair if it goes both ways

ive been thinking dreaming about game concepts and ideas (that lets be honest will never happen) but one thing i wanted to always do is that bullets take 1-3 shots to kill someone but it goes both ways, but at the same time guns shouldnt be an easy point and click thing + designing the weapons themselves to be restricted to the world (automatics are scarce and and is fuck as hard to control, regular bolt action rifles should kill people on 1 hit to the chest but can only carry 3-4 rounds at most etc) then adding resource control to it

[digital glen]

What should be nerfed and buffed in IRL?

[cerulean sable]

solid imo and i still play on US+Asia+Australian servers, can get a coop game within 3 seconds

PVP around 5

[serene chasm]

sweet. reinstalling it

[shell yacht]

buff swords, nerf range on everything else

[digital glen]

Yeah, who the hell invented guns?

Gameplay before was way cooler

[cerulean sable]

chinese iirc was able to concoct most of the early gunpowder, then originally used it for fireworks before using them for hand held cannon ns

[digital glen]

I found interesting seeing those old weird combat tactics and inventions

Like thorns armors to use against bears

[cerulean sable]

excuse me what now

[opaque sigil]

Lantern shields are very funny

I think that's what they're called

yup

[cerulean sable]

tf is this

[digital glen]

Its also terrifying

[opaque sigil]

Lantern shield

[cerulean sable]

mfer looking like a Dark Souls character or fuckin Balthasar Gelt

im guessing this is the inspiration for Kirk's armor

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/891991594205577236/unknown.png

obligatory

circled can fit Silksong's aesthetics

[fiery coral]

Kirk, Knight of Thorns IRL

[fiery coral]

oh me slow 🐌

[digital glen]

what even is that

[cerulean sable]

gunpowder firearms

or uhh, hand cannons

[digital glen]

That circled one looks funny

The designs of guns from when they were still learning is always interesting

[opaque sigil]

It would really fit SS though

I could totally see something like it appearing

[shell yacht]

it literally looks like an attempt at a handheld canon

[digital glen]

Hallownest has magic
Pharloom has freaking guns

[cerulean sable]

one quarter ounce of crushed smokerocks, mixed with shell dust with a 2 bell measure of dustrock scalps...

[opaque sigil]

It is a handheld cannon

[cerulean sable]

we were bad at making guns until muskets

[opaque sigil]

Even muskets weren't great, rifling is where it's at

[shell yacht]

look here u lil shet

[narrow lava]

muskets are no longer the meta

[cerulean sable]

back then they had to rely on pike divisions to protect gunners from cavalry until they realized it was just better to put a shiny spike at the end of the gun and it would still work

[proud dagger]

Muskets were definitely where we worked out the exterior look though, even today a wooden bolt action doesn’t look too terribly dissimilar to a musket

[cerulean sable]

god i love firearm evolution history

[digital glen]

gun gameplay vs. gun lore

[cerulean sable]

like the time an officer berated his soldiers for getting scared of gunfire when "they couldnt hit an elephant at this range", only to get nailed by one because he didnt know they had rifles now which meant the shitty musket range was no longer an issue for them

[narrow lava]

I just want the sword meta to make a comeback

[cerulean sable]

unfortunately training was a big issue to why it never will 😔

[mint valve]

What is going on?

[opaque sigil]

Swords overrated I want the polearm meta to make a comeback

[proud dagger]

Yeah there was never a sword meta

[digital glen]

Wait until Guilty Gear becomes real

[opaque sigil]

Poleaxes my beloved

[narrow lava]

I am hopefull in the 3000.0 update will allow forcefields to allow swords to exist in the meta

[cerulean sable]

for reference stuff like bows had to be trained for a long time, where the king of england iirc had to decree that every after church service, children up to 7 years old must practice at the bow range, that way if theres a war theyd be already be good at it

or... you give a guy a gun and he can easily kill someone after a month of training

[digital glen]

The next election will be decided in a poleaxe battle

[cerulean sable]

which is why army sizes grew a fuckton during the gunpowder revolution because they could get a peasant,, give him a gun,, and kill someone

but yeah spears >>>>> swords

[proud dagger]

Polearms were pretty much always the definitive melee weapon, unless you were fighting in really close quarters

[cerulean sable]

majority of armies uses spears

[mint valve]

that would be cool for hornet to have a bow. like then we get a bow in budget cuts 2

[cerulean sable]

hornet feels more like a thrower tbh

[mint valve]

true

[cerulean sable]

and bows doesnt seem that prevalent in the world of HK so far

[serene chasm]

Hornet should be able to do stealth kills

[cerulean sable]

unless they add Harp Archers

or uhh, Harpchers

but tc never uses puns like that

[digital glen]

Weapon variety in general

[fiery coral]

unfortunate

[proud dagger]

Bows have always felt like a really low mobility weapon which doesn’t really fit Hornet

[fiery coral]

they should

[cerulean sable]

too comical for them i guess, so theyll just call them something like Harp Knights or wtv

[mint valve]

Maybe there would be a variant of the bow like how swords are nails.

[cerulean sable]

well see

[digital glen]

I guess the mantis lords use spears

[cerulean sable]

otherwise TC doesnt really use puns or punny names to their enemies

[serene chasm]

mantis lords know whats up

[cerulean sable]

it just doesnt fit with their game's tone i guess

[mint valve]

true

[digital glen]

Spears is the reason why they hold on the infection

[vocal pond]

Has like, anything happened since the magazine? I haven’t been keeping track

[mint valve]

no. no news for all of 2021

[vocal pond]

[warm bone]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[digital glen]

And there it goes our discussion

[serene chasm]

Thats why were talking about guns

[proud dagger]

This is what we’ve been reduced to.

[mint valve]

just one incomplete discussion after another

[digital glen]

I came here to talk about hk, i stayed for the random topics and some nice people

[mint valve]

me too. I'm here just to talk

[serene chasm]

I want a tool that lets hornet use her silk as a garrote

[mint valve]

What's a garrote?

[digital glen]

Stealth kills in silksong?

[serene chasm]

a concealed wire used to strangle

[mint valve]

😧

[opaque sigil]

Since when is Hornet an assassin

[serene chasm]

She isnt. yet

[mint valve]

how would it work

[opaque sigil]

Quest: Murder Sherma. Make it look like an accident.

[cerulean sable]

she has a B skill on throwables and the sword/spear?/needle???

so i guess you can promote her to one

her speed is also insane which makes her a perfect candidate for it

[mint valve]

She isn't an assassin bug

[opaque sigil]

Hornet has E bows

[cerulean sable]

im pretty sure everyone in Hallownest has E in bows

[proud dagger]

Honestly I don’t know if stealth really fits the HK vibe that well

[cerulean sable]

good overrated weapon anyway

[opaque sigil]

It doesn't really, although there are some ambush enemies, like mosscreeps and the camo crab

[cerulean sable]

it would be great when, you trigger a stealth kill prompt as hornet, the game just fucking transitions, for a moment, into a live action video of William in a Hornet costume snapping someone's head, then transitioning back into the game with the enemy now dead

[opaque sigil]

Plot twist: That wasn't an actor

[cerulean sable]

[serene chasm]

plot twist. its a different person everytime

[cerulean sable]

like variations of different people doing it in different effort and motivation

i can see William getting into the character

jack would probably be one whos unwilling with it

for real tho light stealth elements like doing initial attacks can be done well

just not full "dont get caught" bullshit ofc

[proud dagger]

Not even a full costume, just a mask made from a cut up paper plate

[cerulean sable]

240p camera

[opaque sigil]

I don't know if SS really has the structure where it would benefit even just from light stealth elements

[serene chasm]

bonus damage from attack from behind with certain weapons

[opaque sigil]

Like sure sometimes those systems can be great but I just don't see why it would be a good fit for Silksong

[shell yacht]

we have alot of whiney kids necks to snap here in this channel, perfect idea

[cerulean sable]

fair, i just think if it ever has a the bare justification of showing up, it should be used an additional means to initiate a fight rather than games that tries to put you in shitty situation where you wait for a guy to finish their stealth patrol route

[serene chasm]

I just want another Mark of the Ninja game

[shell yacht]

they even get to meet TC

[digital glen]

Put everyone into a bus "today we are going to meet TC"

[cerulean sable]

William INVITES fans to TC headquarters to CONFIRM Silksong is still in developement BEFORE SNAPPING their NECKS with FACTS and LOGIC

[digital glen]

"Please make a line" kid by kid goes through the door, but no one ever comes back

[cerulean sable]

also thoughts on Hornet having a 3rd hit combo without the inclusion of added attack lag or frame diff

[serene chasm]

discussion about child murder. PK would be so proud

[forest nebula]

I finally beat goldsoul scarlet tower

[serene chasm]

what game is that?

[cerulean sable]

i mean if the singer of Cannibal Corpse had a song named "I have guns (for murdering people)" and "I have skulls in my basement", gets arrested, then turns out he actually had possession of multiple firearms and skulls in basement

i dont think it bodes well with TC for creating a game about child murder either

[forest nebula]

Silksong

[digital glen]

TC wanna talk with you

They want you to appear in game

[cerulean sable]

anyway 3 hit combo

yay or nay

[shell yacht]

Australia is a dnger zone, 100k missing is easy to explain. Dingos, crocs, birds, spiders

[digital glen]

Maybe

[serene chasm]

I dont know. Im kinda on team no

You mean like, Hit hit big hit?

[digital glen]

How it would work exactaly? It uses silk or is it a upgrade?

[cerulean sable]

hear me out, for every 2 consecutive hits, the 3rd hit will be a "stronger" hit but without the issue of other games where the 3rd combo lasts longer or freezes you in place

and the most itll have is Hornet having a different slash animation for her 3rd hit where she does a spin + a wide slash anim

[opaque sigil]

I feel like that kinda defeats the purpose, since it would remove the weight of the blow

[serene chasm]

maybe if it was optional

[shell yacht]

just equip Heavy blow smh

[serene chasm]

but heavy blow

[opaque sigil]

bad

heavy blow bad

[digital glen]

I remember using againts broken vessel because i heard it makes the stun need one less hit, but still sucks

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/my6TfPgCKaU?t=21

[opaque sigil]

It does but that's barely anything

Plus it makes it harder to combo but comboing is pretty rare anyways

[digital glen]

Yeah, and the advantage goes away when you have to deal to the enemy going farther than normal, that could mean one less hit

You could use heavy blow + steady body

But thats too much work for not too much reward

[opaque sigil]

Those don't complement each other much

[cerulean sable]

honestly it feels like the opposite now, i dont think hornet has that much knockback to her but rather she pushes the enemy farther

[opaque sigil]

You're better off just not using heavy blow rather than spending more trying to counteract the problem, especially when heavy blow provides so little value in the first place

[cerulean sable]

i just hope they get the balance where holding forward + attacking still feels good

[digital glen]

One charm that i literally never used is that one that increase your if after taking damage, maybe because it was a pretty boring effect

[opaque sigil]

Better than heavy blow

[digital glen]

Yeah, because theres not a clear bad effect

[tawdry palm]

this would unironically make a great easter egg

[digital glen]

There are 45 charms in HK, i wonder if tool have gonna have the same amount, or more (wich i doubt it)

[mint valve]

what is happening

[opaque sigil]

Probably more, especially with the division into categories

[tawdry palm]

They seem to be higher effort as a generality, so probably not

[digital glen]

I am thinking in like 10-12 tools for each type

[opaque sigil]

We've seen more than that many red tools iirc

[digital glen]

Really?

[cerulean sable]

id rather they prune the tools rather than having 5 different variations of the same thing

[opaque sigil]

Sure if tools really become redundant

[mint valve]

I think Its 20 least because we've already seen like 20 tools already

[cerulean sable]

like look at any charm tierlist made by anyone in the community, the best charms gravitate around the A-S whereas the 30-40% of the charms usually get left in the "Meh" tier

[opaque sigil]

And if they don't serve a purpose by having multiple similar tools, since not everybody will naturally encounter every tool

[mint valve]

True. Like balder shell or spore shroom

[digital glen]

Balder Shell makes you bald???

[cerulean sable]

funny that baldur shells niche was found on a fucking modded abs rad boss

[mint valve]

I remember it as a good charm against any radience

[cerulean sable]

for me the way i felt it
"All 3 notch charms are equal, but some 3 notch charms are more equal than other"

[cerulean sable]

ye

[digital glen]

There gotta be a image of the knight without the horn

And that must be pretty cursed

[cerulean sable]

i think the cost couldve been spread a bit more

like instead of having 11 notches as the final basis, it could probably been around 20 notches

[cerulean sable]

then 3 notch stuff like Quick Slash wouldve cost like 6-7 notches, while dream shield could sit at around 4 notches

[digital glen]

Oh my eyes are bleeding

[mint valve]

without horn's

[digital glen]

I hope Trobbio explains what is a meme to Hornet

[opaque sigil]

But then they would have to find nine more suitable challenges which would reward notches (or more likely create them)

[cerulean sable]

could make it so 1 notch = 2 notch?

[opaque sigil]

ig

[cerulean sable]

again these area all theoretical and it aint perfect, but like each notch felt like it was too sensitive to lose

which is why DPS reign supreme

[opaque sigil]

tbh I don't think the issue is with the notch costs, it's just that some charms are gimmicks, and some are actually ubiquitously useful

[mint valve]

If you want to talk hollow knight stuff then #hk-discussion exists @cerulean sable and @opaque sigil

[opaque sigil]

Making them cost different amounts wouldn't change that some are just better than others

[cerulean sable]

that is also true

they felt like they were added for the sake of having something extra

[opaque sigil]

Which is possibly why they went in the other direction, uniform costs, but with presumably comparable usefulness

[cerulean sable]

like its the result of (the way i see it) "i just thought it was cool"

[opaque sigil]

Yeah they were kinda stuck in at the last second, unlike tools

[cerulean sable]

or the very least to fill in a charm amt quota

lessons learned i guess

well, well see if they do learn that lesson

[opaque sigil]

Hopefully

[cerulean sable]

for all we know well get 3 different throwing tools that has marginal differences

[opaque sigil]

That would be fine

The expectation probably isn't that players get every tool

[cerulean sable]

"ok this throwing tools does more damage, while this one goes back when you throw it.."

[opaque sigil]

Having a couple that fill a similar niche would allow all players to get a projectile tool, even if they don't find a specific one

[high hedge]

I wonder if Silksong will have an Overcharmed equivalent

[cerulean sable]

yeah i niche is what they should go after

like javelins should destroy or at least disable shield users

[opaque sigil]

One niche per tool, ofc, but some being adjacent is fine

[high hedge]

I don’t think I ever played overcharmed

[cerulean sable]

which is a big advantage they had back in the days since once your shield got a giant fucking stick stuck to it, its pretty much useless

[fallow solar]

What if buzzsaw destroy shield lol

[cerulean sable]

then boomerang would be cool if it did low damage but it would bounce on enemies, which would make it useful for swarm types like the blobs

[high hedge]

I didn’t even discover it on my own, I just saw it online once way into my play through

Is the reward ever worth the risk of playing overcharmed?

[fallow solar]

No

[mint valve]

Like in dead cells?

[cerulean sable]

if they do a 1 cost thing with tools, might not

never played DC

[fallow solar]

4 mask damage is not worth it.

[high hedge]

Hard to justify

I guess Overcharm is just there for fun

[opaque sigil]

Overcharm is kind of just a gimmick, except for Radiant stuff and flower quest

[high hedge]

How does it help flower quest?

[mint valve]

I think charm notches will be replaced with crests

[opaque sigil]

You can't get hit anyways so who cares if you take extra damage

[high hedge]

Ahhh true

[mint valve]

true

[high hedge]

Most certainly

It’d be an odd choice to do both charms and tools

Though not too out there I guess, just a lot to manage

[mint valve]

yes. tho it would be cool to be to see a charm

[opaque sigil]

I mean some tools might technically classify as charms, it's just that Hornet uses them differently

[high hedge]

Ah that could be true, not exactly mutually exclusive terms

[cerulean sable]

i still classify them as such as theyre kinda equivalent
Silk = Soul
Fleas = Grubs
Tools = Charms
Sherma = Myla
Shakra = Cornifer

etc

[agile kelp]

Oh god shermas going to die

[mint valve]

I forgor who myla

[cerulean sable]

good

miner girl

[mint valve]

oh

[stable quiver]

oh

and whos sherma again, anyone have an image

[cerulean sable]

posting this because the lack of white borders

[stable quiver]

ohhhhh ok

[mint valve]

Why is silksong called Hollow Knight: Silksong. There's no hollow knight. just hornet in pharloom

[chilly nexus]

I feel like this server could benefit from a channel similar to the #alexander channel in the Elden Ring server where all people do is post the command ?passdown? and it's a gif of you passing alexander the pot to the next person, except it's sherma or whomever we choose

[cunning geode]

same universe