sk-discussion

[olive bobcat]

The late bird gets the game

[tame widget]

the snails from the cut snail village are playing Silksong as we speak

[empty trench]

Wheres grag

[trim estuary]

With yo mom

[serene patrol]

So u mean ... just like us ... theyre playing themselves?

[empty trench]

Im your brother

[tame widget]

Graig is practicing his Silksong speedrun skills

[trim estuary]

No he’s playing roblox

[empty trench]

Oh ok

[brazen needle]

the next news we'll get is graig beating the game in 22 minutes

[tame widget]

Silksong will be released when Graig will have done a sub 15 minutes Silksong speedrun

[supple aspen]

is it out

[obsidian topaz]

Can't wait for EGX birmingham. Surely silksong news then

[trim estuary]

Yeah it came out yesterday

[obsidian topaz]

Atleast we have elden ring. Idk maybe its good both of those games dont release at the same time

[empty trench]

Untrue

It came out today

[hybrid stone]

we better get a release next year

wait no bc why would they have more announcements planned if the game is basically ready

shit im becoming a february hoper

[tame widget]

One of us
One of us

[digital glen]

I hope ss doesnt take as long to make the combat more interesting and conplex

I wouldnt see a problem getting dash after moss grotto

[hybrid stone]

no bc theres literal proof its finished, theyre in final playtesting and prob have been for a while

[brittle garnet]

proof?

there is not

[fiery coral]

Where

[hybrid stone]

well kinda proof?

i think

[fiery coral]

That was a quote taken out of context

[hybrid stone]

oh was it?

[fiery coral]

Yeah

[pale lion]

im hoping for a February direct for news

[ocean mulch]

You could say

[hybrid stone]

dang

what happens in february

[fiery coral]

.

whole conversation before and after

[hybrid stone]

WAIT ITS THERE LMAO

[brittle garnet]

it's a hypothetical scenario in the context that you can't predict a release date easily

[hybrid stone]

understandable

[brittle garnet]

it's not a factual statement

[opaque sigil]

It's not even a matter of context, it's just not reading the quote

[empty trench]

The basics and planned things are done - i guess. And tc is adding unplanned things cuz its cool and the game gets better. Its like "the main story is finished, but what about aditional content" (like the abism expansion that didnt come out) - based on what graig said

[empty trench]

So the main game is ready but tc keeps adding new things

[fiery coral]

Abyss Expansion for Silksong

[opaque sigil]

The game was originally planned to be a dlc, the vast majority of it is "unplanned"

[hybrid stone]

So they have the main quest and gameplay done? Or am i misunderstandinf

[fiery coral]

We don't know

[brittle garnet]

reminder that what Graig said is not fact it's just his opinion, he doesn't actually know if that's the case

[empty trench]

That was just a example from hk

[fiery coral]

I know yeah 🥴

[empty trench]

Hes playtester so he can say a bit from his "playtrough"

[brittle garnet]

yeah but we can't know when he last playtested the game
it could have been last month
or last year

[empty trench]

Prob not last year

He prob tests it constantly

[brittle garnet]

in fact he's been working on his own game so I think he hasn't tested the game in a good while

also Leth said that Graig playtests mostly after release

[empty trench]

He doesnt need that much time to playtest

[brittle garnet]

so he probbaly doesn't test it constantly

[empty trench]

Dont be pessimistic

[green jewel]

I've just realised, If that so called 'leaked release date' is true (which it most likely isnt ) then that means in 2 months or less we will be playing silksong

[coarse leaf]

No, it just means that people will create hype for something not confirmed

[ocean mulch]

Benji and Simo test it constantly

[brittle garnet]

I'm not pessimistic, I'm just not ignoring facts

[empty trench]

Stills pessimistic

[opaque sigil]

Arch you should know by now that if you possess an ounce of reason people call you a pessimist

[brittle garnet]

no, you're the one who's overly optimistic

[empty trench]

The facts are pessimistic

[obsidian topaz]

when was that said ?

[opaque sigil]

Mostly because people don't know what a pessimist is, and it's just an easy word to go for

[ocean mulch]

Realistic*

[coarse leaf]

Actually true

[fiery coral]

expecting people on the internet to use precise definitions 🥴

[opaque sigil]

Not precise, just actually using the word as what it means

[fiery coral]

what else does precise mean

oh wait that was me being expected to use 'precise' precisely as the definition states, I get it Tammo

[brittle garnet]

you're grasping at straws to find justification for your statements, that's called confirmation bias, or in other words it's twisted optimism

[empty trench]

Bro im joking

Art thou mad

[outer bridge]

It was just a prank

[empty trench]

Lol

[brittle garnet]

Oh, really?
It wasn't very funny

but no I'm not mad, just kinda tired

[empty trench]

It wasnt suposed to be funny

[hybrid stone]

can we at least agree that silksing will release in 2022

[empty trench]

Yes

[fiery coral]

it might

[opaque sigil]

Not necessarily

[fiery coral]

you can hope

I certainly am

[brittle garnet]

just tired of people not bothering to fact check their info which they can do easily using a search bar

[empty trench]

Thats why its silksong discussion

[empty trench]

Im to lazy for search it

[pale lion]

tbh im hopign it will release in 2022 instead of 2023 just because ill be much busier then

[brittle garnet]

I do think 2022 is probably the release year, but we'll see

the year of silence gives me hope

[empty trench]

Thats the point

[pale lion]

though if it doesnt release in 2022 there's still games like elden ring and botw 2 coming out ig

[brittle garnet]

ngl BOTW 2 just looks like a cash grab

[empty trench]

My potato pc prob wont run them

[coarse leaf]

🥔

[digital glen]

What? 4-ish years of development for ss (if they began after godmaster update)

[hybrid stone]

surely no new information means nothing more to say

[coarse leaf]

and bayonetta 3

[empty trench]

Fake potato

[hybrid stone]

or am i dumb

[coarse leaf]

Compared to other Zelda games? Nah

[outer bridge]

True lol if Nintendo wanted to cash grab with Zelda they’d just port some more shit tbh

[hybrid stone]

i find it so crazy that we can finally play as a void creature in silksong, im kinda getting bored of playing as the pale king in hk 1

[coarse leaf]

Basically Hyrule Warriors

[digital glen]

How many years hk was in development?

[coarse leaf]

5

[brittle garnet]

like EDGE had so much info that I don't think they'll reveal any more content at all. Even the ending sentence of the article had this feeling as if it's a prelude to the game, an invitation to play it.

[coarse leaf]

which sentence?

[empty trench]

Does hk means hungry knight or hollow knight?

[brittle garnet]

the last one

[hybrid stone]

also "we ended up with over 100 different benches" sorry u ended up with that?? yoire done?

[digital glen]

Dont you guys think 4 years in development for ss is "short"?

[opaque sigil]

tbf they probably didn't write that

[fleet canopy]

Can I post SS theories in the lore chat?

[hybrid stone]

its def been more than that

[coarse leaf]

well yeah but what does it say xd

[brittle garnet]

HK was in development for about 4.5 years, however they had to switch engine and remake everything from scratch at one point

[opaque sigil]

HK was also rushed and underfunded

[digital glen]

Iam using the godmaster update as an bases

[hybrid stone]

theyre the same game

[obsidian topaz]

Is this chat a meme where everyone collectively pretends the game hasn't released to confuse the newcomers ?

[brittle garnet]

"...And so the dance begins again."

[empty trench]

Yes

[hybrid stone]

im a newcomer...

[empty trench]

Im a welcomer

[obsidian topaz]

yea forget what I said. Lets wait for silksong together @hybrid stone

[hybrid stone]

no please im desperate dont do this to me

dont make me hope

[digital glen]

Hey todays second of silksong reveal trailer is a fun one

[empty trench]

Dont worry its releasing on february

[obsidian topaz]

of 2026

[digital glen]

Today we are analyzing the Silksong Reveal Trailer 0:13 / 2:09

Clearly void

[pale lion]

my favourite second of the entire trailer wow

[hybrid stone]

guys did u know that hornet is void bc the screen goes black when she dies, obviously not a screen transition (joke)

[coarse leaf]

omg not this again 😂

[hybrid stone]

if i cant transition neither can the screen

[obsidian topaz]

we have done this before its a screen transition or someone blinking

[empty trench]

A few seconds passed so we're closer to silksong

[hybrid stone]

omgggg

guys only x seconds left

[coarse leaf]

you should get some sleep dude

[digital glen]

If ss final boss isnt played like guitar hero i am going to be disappointed

[empty trench]

Better start to be disapointed

[digital glen]

[hybrid stone]

i gotta say, its pretty crazy that the pale king managed to kill the radiance, that was epic

[coarse leaf]

its pretty crazy that TC is making a game

[hybrid stone]

theory: hallownest is hidden under pharloom

pharloom exists between crossroads and dirtmouth

[empty trench]

Theory: pharloom is hidden under hallownest

[hybrid stone]

nah bcs then it would be raining void

[digital glen]

TC pulls out an Jak 2 in silksong and says that pharloom is hallownest from the future

[hybrid stone]

although its called pharloom,, far loom

[empty trench]

Hornet falls when the game starts, so its raining void

[hybrid stone]

omg ur genius, ss is a prequel of the origins of hornet, she materialised in the abyss and fell into pharloom

[empty trench]

Exactly

[hybrid stone]

that why it releases in February

[empty trench]

Yes, february means void in polish

[hybrid stone]

of courseee and if u translate into azerbaijani, u get the word release

[empty trench]

Yes

If you translate in french it means no french people

[agile kelp]

Is sherma void

[empty trench]

Radiance is void

[small goblet]

sherma might not be void, but he sure is pure evil

[obsidian juniper]

Hornet Is void because she is void of mom

[hybrid stone]

im french :/

[agile kelp]

French Pain

[small goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/paz-white-flag-wave-waving-flag-gif-15666633

[empty trench]

Lol its just a joke from this channel

[agile kelp]

Ur mom is voi-

[hybrid stone]

it just gets really annoying when everyones humor is "french ppl bad" like actually shut the fuck up

[empty trench]

Im your brother

[hybrid stone]

its just not funny

[empty trench]

At least you have french bread

[agile kelp]

Why are french bad again?

[hybrid stone]

i mean the "french bread" americans eat is fucking disgusting, have yall ever tried a proper baguette

[small goblet]

baguettes are fucking amazing

[empty trench]

Im not american and didnt try a baguette

[agile kelp]

I'm you

[hybrid stone]

then my statement doesnt apply to you :) /pos

[empty trench]

Ok

[agile kelp]

Isn't that just tall hard bread?

Its basically rock

[small goblet]

it tastes better imo

[glossy rain]

what does that mean

[agile kelp]

It an amazing weapon

[glossy rain]

"/pos"

[agile kelp]

People of Spain?

[glossy rain]

ohhhh

[hybrid stone]

tone indicator, /pos means positive, i was clarifing thst i wasnt being pasdive aggrssivr

[empty trench]

People of sweden

[small goblet]

pornet os soid

[hybrid stone]

pornet is my favorite character

[agile kelp]

People of swisknife

[cunning geode]

:/

[empty trench]

Zornet

[agile kelp]

ZHAW

[small goblet]

жaw

[agile kelp]

Tf is that

[hybrid stone]

the entire hollow knight community 🤜 matpat

before i properly looked into lore, i believed his theory...

[copper knot]

can relate but even in a worse scale because racism woo

[agile kelp]

Your not the only one

[hybrid stone]

can relate because transphobia

[brittle garnet]

joking about french people is a common gag here

[agile kelp]

You guys ok?

[copper knot]

ye

[hybrid stone]

its just not funny when french people just hear frnech ppl bad all the time

[small goblet]

okay let's transfer all bulli from french to russian, french people need a break

[agile kelp]

But why are french people made fun of they have bread weapons and art

[marsh ibex]

can you just

[copper knot]

i mean as a chinese person we've gotten pretty bad racist jokes recently with covid19 and chinese government bad woo chinese people bad woo

[hybrid stone]

we have far more than that

[hybrid stone]

oh god yeah i can't imagine

[copper knot]

mmm racism

[brittle garnet]

do you actually live in china?

[agile kelp]

Yes but those are 2 reasons to not mess with them

[hybrid stone]

look at your banner? oki

[marsh ibex]

not make jokes at the expense of people

[copper knot]

no but im chinese by ethnicity and live in a place with a lot of chinese people

[marsh ibex]

Like two of our mods is french

[hybrid stone]

i agree

[marsh ibex]

and people exist

[hybrid stone]

even if it's funny it gets tiring

[agile kelp]

Also I am Really sorry for rhe 2 year old Indians yelling china responsible for covid

[hybrid stone]

like yeah some of the france jokes are funny, but theres too many of them and it does feel as if everyone hates us

mmm anyways silksong

feb

[copper knot]

lmao no need to apologise. people suck but thats life

[brittle garnet]

also nationalities aren't a race

[tame widget]

[hybrid stone]

ok?

[copper knot]

asian is a race

and im asian 🥴

[tame widget]

there is no races

there is only

human

[copper knot]

homosapien

[brittle garnet]

yeah but there's more to Asia than just China

[agile kelp]

Running race?

[hybrid stone]

idk if its my place to say it, but am i right in saying that east asia and south asia etc are different races? or is that completely wrong and im stupid

[copper knot]

yes

im south east asian who's ethnicity is chinese

[copper knot]

i know that .-.

im just saying that ive recieved a lot of racism online because of my race and ethnicity

[keen kiln]

There's also... Uh... East russia?

That's it though right

[hybrid stone]

wait guys are pale beings and void creatures oppodites

[empty trench]

Lets transfer to polish

[keen kiln]

They are enemies, kinda

[small goblet]

east russia is not really asian, at least that's how we, russians, see it

[hybrid stone]

alternatively, you can all pay for my entire transition

[agile kelp]

Reading these messages I now know how bad my geography is

[brittle garnet]

no don't

[keen kiln]

Ok but then what are you? Just russian? That would be silly.

[hybrid stone]

name the continents

[empty trench]

So what

[small goblet]

but how deeper can i describe myself than just russian

[keen kiln]

Oh my geography is awful. I don't know what the capital of ireland is

[small goblet]

dublin

[coarse leaf]

london

[copper knot]

urmom

[marsh ibex]

the capital of Ireland is I

[hybrid stone]

north americca, south america, africa, europe, antarctica, oceania

[brittle garnet]

but the chinese government is bad, you can't deny that

[agile kelp]

Asia Europe Africa Antarctica south and North America

[keen kiln]

Fuck you that's a great joke I wish I said that

[hybrid stone]

isnt it more complicated than that-

[copper knot]

i never denied that. why are you assuming

[hybrid stone]

AAA I DORGOT ASIA

[opaque sigil]

Is that akivaq's fault?

[hybrid stone]

oceania u missed

[small goblet]

authoritarian (that's chinese thing right?) is generally not good

[hybrid stone]

what is the smallest country in the world

[copper knot]

thats my point

people direct all the hate towards the government to us. we are not the government. we chinese people dislike that shit

[agile kelp]

Where is Oceania?

[hybrid stone]

australia, new zealand, surrounding oslands

[keen kiln]

Chinese people aren't responsible for their government. Bullying chinese people certainly doesn't help shit

[opaque sigil]

I mean I would imagine you dislike it the most, you're the ones who have to live under it

[copper knot]

THANK YOU.

[hybrid stone]

yoo whays the capital of singapore

[copper knot]

singapore

[agile kelp]

Wait isn't Australia a continent?

[marsh ibex]

anyways we can drift towards not this discussion

[hybrid stone]

oml no it is not

[keen kiln]

They've been trying to get rid of it for a long fucking time too. Hong kong ring a bell?

[brittle garnet]

to be fair it's not black and white, it's split. The thing about authoritarian regimes is that a good chunk of the population are totally bought into it and support it.

[marsh ibex]

australia or oceania, some people call them either or

[hybrid stone]

but australia is a country-

[brittle garnet]

Australia is a country and Continent

[marsh ibex]

oceania’s the actual term for it but some just call australia a continent

[keen kiln]

Yeah, that makes up most of oceania

[copper knot]

honestly hong kong doesnt deserve this shit

[marsh ibex]

Which is correct

[hybrid stone]

yeah, so it's not a continent

[copper knot]

fuck the chinese government

[marsh ibex]

australia is a country and a continent

So it is not incorrect

[jade canopy]

How does that make sense ?

[marsh ibex]

oceania is the region, but again, either or is fine

[coarse leaf]

cant wait for when the publishing date announcement drops inevitably, the entire fandom to go like "OH MY GOD ITS HAPPENING"

[agile kelp]

Is Australia having an identity crisis?

[hybrid stone]

ok so will anyone here pay for my entire transition

[copper knot]

people outside of china that is chinese are usually against the government tho

[marsh ibex]

by the definition of a continent australia counts

[jade canopy]

If I were from news Zealand I wouldn’t like to live in the Australian continent

[keen kiln]

Because continents and countries are completely arbitrary and so fuck you we do what we want.

[marsh ibex]

who decided that? We did

[empty trench]

Yes but not me

[marsh ibex]

seethe and cope

[keen kiln]

That is the sin of pride

[jade canopy]

Yeah sure but then you could have thousand of continents

[hybrid stone]

its the transphobia for me🙄 ✋

[copper knot]

[brittle garnet]

yes, that's usually the case for other countries like that. They left the country for a reason.

[copper knot]

mhm

[marsh ibex]

anyways we can end the China discussion

[copper knot]

aight

[marsh ibex]

mostly because

It was getting dicey

Before

[copper knot]

oh yeah dont worry i get it. it can get messy

[keen kiln]

Yeah, if you want to discuss plotting the fall of china you should do it away from government eyes, not here.

[agile kelp]

Is the sea a soup

[coarse leaf]

it falls under the controversial content

[hybrid stone]

can i just say how it really scares me how much america brainwashes people against socialism

[jade canopy]

We wouldn’t want catboy sans getting assaulted by the government for behaving wrong

[empty trench]

Ask soup master

[copper knot]

[keen kiln]

Probably shouldn't say it here.

[hybrid stone]

soul master dashmaster = catboy sans

[hybrid stone]

..can i ask why..?

[brittle garnet]

well yeah because socialism ||is politics and politics discussion is forbidden||

[copper knot]

politics 🤮

[keen kiln]

Politics are beyond the scope of this server

[serene chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-out-liberty-prime-communism-explosion-gif-12000227

[hybrid stone]

ahhhhh

[agile kelp]

But if the sea is a soup is the land apart of that soup?

[hybrid stone]

completely false lmao but sure

[jade canopy]

So anyway tools

[keen kiln]

If you want to talk about politics, go to a place which is designed to handle politics.

[copper knot]

twitter

[keen kiln]

This is not it chief.

[hybrid stone]

sea is soup, earth is sticky reverse bowl

[empty trench]

Can we talk about pharloom's politics? I think pale king did a great job

[copper knot]

[empty trench]

The land is the dishe

[copper knot]

i would rather swallow a bus than to debate politics on twitter

[agile kelp]

So the earth is a soup ball?

[keen kiln]

I like streamer discord servers. A lot of them are very open about those discussions.

[hybrid stone]

id rather eat an entire plane than discuss politics on twitter

[hybrid stone]

......yes

[brittle garnet]

or discuss anything on twitter

[keen kiln]

Well then don't bring the twitter here. Keep politics out out out.

[agile kelp]

Is the earth a spherical soup sandwich?

[digital glen]

Guys what the hell silksong leak!

[copper knot]

holy fuck silksog ggutar hero

[empty trench]

NO WAY

[keen kiln]

Yo, I knew ss would be based but holy shit

[copper knot]

silksong: the rhythm game

[empty trench]

Oh god when its releasing

[small goblet]

pale king travelled to hallownest in form of a god damn w(o/y)rm, seized power by force, locked previous ruler in (technically) a bottle. is that what you consider good?

[keen kiln]

I like the added touch of the spider skin on the track

[copper knot]

silksong ddr stempania osu when

[serene chasm]

Expert Through the Soul and Void is impossible

[keen kiln]

Stempania sounds like an instrument they would make the second drummer play in highschool

[empty trench]

Ok void is better

[digital glen]

It was the first screenshot i found

[keen kiln]

Like oh the drum is already taken but we have a track here that's only one measure over and over of just shaking to the beat.

[hybrid stone]

omg guys wait, pale king became knight, knight dies, becomes hornet, hornet travels back in time and trains knigjt in form of figjt, goes to pharloom, takes over

[marsh ibex]

what? Parts of that land weren’t owned by anyone

[copper knot]

guys
ness is sans
sans is pale king
pale king is knight
knight is hornet

omg ness is hornet

[marsh ibex]

the only part that might’ve been force was unn’s land

which is

[keen kiln]

[small goblet]

but moth tribe was there before pk no?

[marsh ibex]

yeah

And those moths went WILLINGLY

[keen kiln]

Parts of the land weren't taken

[marsh ibex]

he did not coerce them

[hybrid stone]

mossbag is cool but who tf is "oon"

[marsh ibex]

by force

[keen kiln]

Yeah, and the first nation natives traded willingly with the colons

[copper knot]

lore talk, im out

[coarse leaf]

pk existed at the time but was not yet in what would become hallownest so yes

[marsh ibex]

they genuinely weren’t inhabited by anyone by what we know, also be quiet

[small goblet]

i don't think radiance gave permission to lock her inside a bottle

[marsh ibex]

that was after she went batshit insane

And tried murdering everyone

dededestroyed

kirbey

[small goblet]

i'd be angry too if there was revolution in my land

[marsh ibex]

ok?

the moths went willingly

[coarse leaf]

i dont really think of it as a revolution more as a hostile takeover

[marsh ibex]

Seer tells us this

And that was before PK made his kingdom

When it was assumedly just him

[coarse leaf]

anyway theres #hk-lore for this

[slate wagon]

Or is there

[marsh ibex]

minimodding the mod i see

[coarse leaf]

no i just feel weird having this here

[coarse leaf]

dkjfhgdkjfgh 🔫

[hybrid stone]

this relates to silksomg

[marsh ibex]

also this was just talking bug politics which was previously pharloom politics

[coarse leaf]

oh i didnt know that

carry on then

[small goblet]

well fuck i got destroyed

[jade canopy]

Also also this is #sk-discussion so any topic is fair game

[low vapor]

i wish i was cool enough to be a discord mod on the hollow knight server

[coarse leaf]

i hate that emoji asdfghjk

[marsh ibex]

Please don’t

[slate wagon]

How cool can it be with joker cluttering it

[marsh ibex]

this is genuinely one of the worst things to do ever

[slate wagon]

I'll gladly take it from you

[low vapor]

then undo it

[marsh ibex]

holy shit this is genuinely the worst volunteering job I’ve ever had

[low vapor]

nobodys forcing you

[coarse leaf]

oh my god

[marsh ibex]

I feel obligated

[copper knot]

hi hollow knight discord mod, i would like to request a mod permission

[marsh ibex]

also benji gives invisible nuggets to us for free

[coarse leaf]

joker voice why are we here? just to suffer?

[brittle garnet]

the Radiance wasn't ever a ruler, she was just a figure of worship

[hybrid stone]

does pale king relate to pharloom at all? like do we know where the pale wyrm originally came from

[brittle garnet]

he probably doesn't

[small goblet]

we might find out in ss but most likely not

[coarse leaf]

if radiance was like god and created the moths, and they worshipped her, then pk came and "stole" her people from radiance, does that mean in that shitpost analogy the pale king is satan in a way

||please dont take this seriously||

[marble marsh]

hollow knight: pale lands (10th hk game not including hungry knight)

[copper knot]

unrelated but crowsworn just got a boss leak on the kickstarter backer update and it looks so cool

[hybrid stone]

woahhh

im supee excited for cwrosworn too

[coarse leaf]

ogh if only kickstarter let me pay with paypal

[hybrid stone]

someones prob uploaded it somewhere

[copper knot]

i would send the boss leak but the update is backers only so

[coarse leaf]

FUCKS SAKE WHY DO I ALWAYS FORGET TO PICKUP HOWLING WRAITHS BEFORE GOING TO CITY

[hybrid stone]

nail build > spell build

[coarse leaf]

cant wait to when silksong comes out completely get lost and forget where everything is anywhere always at any time

[hybrid stone]

hahhahha yesss i caused cintroversy

[hybrid stone]

i feel like i had a stroke reading that

[small goblet]

nail + spell build > anything, change my mind

[hybrid stone]

steady, ubstrength, mark, quick slash

anyways how is the charm sustem being replaced for silksong

[small goblet]

mark shaman/spell twister/soul twister

[heady iron]

crowsworn boss leak

[hybrid stone]

bc if theres nothing similar to steady body i will cry

[coarse leaf]

thats crazy

[small goblet]

crests, they have 3 types of slots (for kinda charms) in different combinations

[marble marsh]

"Now I know looking at these two toothpicks moving" crowsworn has a toothpick enemy confirmed

[hybrid stone]

i do like how crests look so far, but do u collect them?? do u have them all to start?? do they fit different playstyles??? do we know??????

[brittle garnet]

You only start with 1, and you gain more throughout the game, that we know

[coarse leaf]

having them all at start would be dumb

[small goblet]

i suppose you collect them, and most likely like aggressive combat/long range combat and some other types idk

[hybrid stone]

I'm assuming nome are "vetter or worse"

[marsh ibex]

nome

gnome

[hybrid stone]

nome

[small goblet]

nome

[marsh ibex]

gnomeo and juliet Sherlock gnomes

[brittle garnet]

the crests will of course have different combinations of slots, and they can also change your attacks and abilities, and they also have another mysterious function which we don't know about

[coarse leaf]

i do hope the crests have some effect on their own instead of being just different numbers and colors of tool slots

[marsh ibex]

sherlock gnomes is in silksong

[hybrid stone]

omg steady body crest

[coarse leaf]

git GUD

[leaden delta]

Joker are you high

[small goblet]

mysterious change of the hud

[marsh ibex]

I also kinda want crests to get better as the game goes on, but not better to the point where there’s one crest that’s just outright better

[hybrid stone]

spiky masks = thorns

[coarse leaf]

honestly im so fucking excited to learn how they work and how everything interacts with eachother

yeah like different 'tiers' of crests

[leaden delta]

Nuke crest

[small goblet]

tc has a lot of time to balance crests

well obviously first crest is most likely shitty

[coarse leaf]

im assuming there will be around 10 crests

[coarse leaf]

Same, but more in a way of like "crests with hidden abilities that trigger in different ways depending on the tools youre using" idk im just.... spitballing stuff but speculation is fun so!

[brittle garnet]

well I think it's safe to say that there will be crests that are outright better than others, such as the Reaper crest we saw being just straight up a better Wanderer Crest (or maybe it's an upgraded version?)

[copper knot]

10 is the magic number

[small goblet]

10 masks, 10 dreamers, 10 eyes shade lord has

[leaden delta]

10 hornets

[marsh ibex]

there’s just so much cool shit that I wanna see how it works

[copper knot]

10 bags of cocaine

[marsh ibex]

like idk maybe one crest could modify how hornet’s base attack works like mega man zero forms

[small goblet]

one crest does modify hornet's needle swing i think

[marsh ibex]

like instead of her current slash it would be a vertical slash that’s a tad slower

[brittle garnet]

yeah, I keep wondering about that too

[hybrid stone]

YES STEADY BODY CREST

[coarse leaf]

vertical slash would be pretty op

[leaden delta]

Gun crest

[agile kelp]

10 hornets on cocaine

[coarse leaf]

is it possible to have no crest equipped or do you always need to have one on?

[brittle garnet]

i think it's impossible

since you start with one

[hybrid stone]

i feel like switching crests will be a big thing, simce theres a large emphasis on questsz, meaning that people wont use one for everything. Like certsin crests will be betyer for exploring, others for fighting

[coarse leaf]

when does it say we start with one?

[small goblet]

10 bags of hornet

[ocean mulch]

trailer vs demo

[tardy raft]

it's a fundamental part of the tool system, I think the base crest wouldn't do anything

[formal karma]

neat, bench?

[serene chasm]

Oh shit. Good catch, Chroma

[copper knot]

omg it moved by a single meter

[ocean mulch]

[brittle garnet]

hmm, i guess it doesn't, huh

[formal karma]

reject the forge, return to bench

[leaden delta]

So the new meme charm

[hybrid stone]

ima go bc i don't want to much gameplay spoilt

[coarse leaf]

yh ik, im just wondering how she would have gotten a crest to begin with though

[marsh ibex]

I mean like… a two handed sword slash in front of her

[brittle garnet]

just like how the Knight starts with 3 notches

[copper knot]

fuck it. give hornet a gun

[leaden delta]

Stolen joke wtf

[tardy raft]

it's more like charm slots, and TC has said that the tools are meant to be things you can put on Hornet as accessories, so it would just be pinning things on her cloak

[ocean mulch]

in the trailer there also isn't a little table

[copper knot]

ur mom

[leaden delta]

Amusing

[brittle garnet]

there is it's just behind Forge Daughter

[ocean mulch]

I mean the vendor table

[brittle garnet]

ah

[ocean mulch]

she's also shown off in the new quests section

[coarse leaf]

yh, but charm notches aren't rly made by anyone are they, crests are designed, so it'd be weird for her to just have one

[ocean mulch]

the wanderer crest is literally her face

[coarse leaf]

i mean the name "wanderer's crest" kind of tells me she just arrived to pharloom with it

[brittle garnet]

we don't know what Crests are in-universe

[small goblet]

you know bugs can get tired of sitting for too long too

[coarse leaf]

i thought they were supposed to be necklaces and the like?

[brittle garnet]

no that's tools

[coarse leaf]

oh, my bad then

[nimble radish]

what do you mean charm notches aren't made by anyone

[coarse leaf]

aren't they supposed to basically be like holes in the knight's shell?

[brittle garnet]

[ocean mulch]

charms are weird and not thought out

[nimble radish]

I think maybe your defaults are, the rest would be weird if they were holes in the shell

[coarse leaf]

nice joke Pellen

[brittle garnet]

I believe this is a mistake on the part of the Article writer

[coarse leaf]

isnt this a quote from some interview?

[brittle garnet]

since the [Crests] isn't actually what TC said, it was added by the writer to contextualize the quote

[ocean mulch]

edge

[tardy raft]

yeah, Edge

full quote is

“Unlike the charms, which had this vague sense of socketing into the Knight’s shell in some sort of creepy way,” Gibson says, as Pellen uses Rosary Beads to purchase a necklace from a shop in Bonebottom that will allow him to collect more Shell Shards from creatures, “[Crests] are more along this line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.” Pellen jokes: “It’s cool, it means we can get fan art of Hornet wearing everything.” To which Gibson deadpans: “We’ll do it if no one else does.”

[copper knot]

edgy

[ocean mulch]

because it's a fluid conversation and there's a lack of context when taking excerpts

[copper knot]

ya know i dont think we even have an explanation on how the knight wears charms

imagine if its just eaten

[brittle garnet]

yeah the "Unlike the Charms..." in the beginning really points towards this being a mistake, since the Tools are the charm counterparts, not Crests

[ocean mulch]

a necklace that allows us to get more shell shards how did we miss this

[tardy raft]

I don't know honestly

[nimble radish]

Unlike the charms, which had this vague sense of socketing into the Knight’s shell in some sort of creepy way
theres no commitment to this in the actual game, they just look like little metal things

[ocean mulch]

I glossed over that completely

do you think this necklace is a tool?

[copper knot]

the knight eats the fucking charm and when unequipping it just grabs it out of the eye sockets

[brittle garnet]

yes, i think it's a tool

[opaque sigil]

Context strongly suggests crest

[tardy raft]

Definitely a tool, and I know I'm going to use the hell out of it

[brittle garnet]

oh hi Tammo, you're wrong btw

[ocean mulch]

someone send both tool shots

[ocean mulch]

ah yes the famous shell shard crest

[tardy raft]

which ones?

[opaque sigil]

“Unlike the charms, which had this vague sense of socketing into the Knight’s shell in some sort of creepy way,” Gibson says, as Pellen uses Rosary Beads to purchase a necklace from a shop in Bonebottom that will allow him to collect more Shell Shards from creatures, “[Crests] are more along this line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.”
Whether or not you agree with the implication it's definitely there

[brittle garnet]

context of this message points to Tools

[ocean mulch]

is the overgrown village really bonebottom I don't see any vendor there

[tardy raft]

probably in the Marrow

[ocean mulch]

both lmao, edge and trailer

[quartz yew]

I knew drawing hornet with jewellery was going to be somehow canon.

Also hi

[brittle garnet]

besides the crests don't look like pendants or such at all

[opaque sigil]

Not in the UI

[ocean mulch]

yeah in edge they said they're looking forward to fanart

[tardy raft]

this is the edge one

[brittle garnet]

i don't think it is

[coarse leaf]

alot more than tools though

[brittle garnet]

do they really, though?

[opaque sigil]

We've only seen a sliver of it

[ocean mulch]

true there's that right section with the quest board

but edge suggests Overgrown Village and Bonebottom are separate?

[brittle garnet]

besides Bonebottom is like, on the brink between MG and FoB, I think an overgrown village would be deeper inside MG

[opaque sigil]

What Arch said

[quartz yew]

I just kinda assume they were like tool pouches or some sort of device that stores stuff in it and each crest was how big each puch was. And they were marked with the symbols or crests.

[ocean mulch]

so overgrwon village is where the druid is

[opaque sigil]

Overgrown village could also not function as a town area, similarly to the FC village

[ocean mulch]

in the moss grotto section where moss is tied up

like walls

[quartz yew]

I love the druid by the way.
They just kinda went "AkakkakakakakaPKAAA" and I fell in love immediately.

[brittle garnet]

yeah ngl the sheer amount of LIFE in the world is one of the most exciting things to me

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

[ocean mulch]

they talk about the druid. did they only mention that the pot does damage or sth else

[brittle garnet]

the amount of characters and creatures and it's just wonderful

[tardy raft]

although Hornet swimming around in the cauldron doesn’t last long before she loses a chunk of health and respawns next to it.

[opaque sigil]

They also mention that the ringing of its bell may clue you in to its location

[quartz yew]

Yeah. It feels like it's way bigger and it's full of different cultures.

[opaque sigil]

We find this curious bug in the Overgrown Village of the starting area, stirring a cauldron with a staff with a small bell (of some significance, we’re told, in addition to its ringing providing an audible clue as to where the character might be relative to you)

[ocean mulch]

I wonder what he's cooking

[brittle garnet]

drugs

[opaque sigil]

Mossberry brew, probably

[quartz yew]

Soup

[ocean mulch]

I meant what does it do

[tardy raft]

they don't say

[quartz yew]

There are three types of people

[brittle garnet]

probably gives us this tool

[marsh ibex]

wouldn’t it be funny if you did the cauldron thing enough times the moss shaman gives you a ripoff of fury of the fallen

Because it’s like “oooh, new SOUP MADE FROM LIFE ENERGY”

[ocean mulch]

that's literally a mossberry on a clothes hanger

[marsh ibex]

you’re a mossberry on a clothes hanger

[ocean mulch]

true

[quartz yew]

I want to believe that they make perishable objects.
The caravan giving us food and stuff makes me think that we'll get items that'll restore our health other than silk.

[opaque sigil]

sick burn bro

[marsh ibex]

oh thanks chrom

[opaque sigil]

I hope not, stockpiling consumables for boss fights is not fun imo

Shell shards already have some potential for that

[ocean mulch]

I think food is perishable like other active tools

idk how it would be repaired though

[marsh ibex]

why did you ignore my roast tammo

[ocean mulch]

how does the lifeblood syringe get repaired

[quartz yew]

Still an interesting concept. I suck at collecting soul in hollow knight since I'm a spastic healer.
I lose one mask and I panic.

[marsh ibex]

I already know you’re roy

[opaque sigil]

[marsh ibex]

guess you’re not my boy then

sorry byleth pfp

[opaque sigil]

You see when you intentionally get it wrong it implies that you actually know who the character is

[quartz yew]

How does it get refilled?
Do we do it ourselves by collecting lifeblood or does someone refill for us?

[opaque sigil]

I imagine it'll just be shell shards. Game logic exists for a reason

Having to farm different materials to use different tools would just be a pain

[quartz yew]

For repairs maybe. Maybe it stays empty until you find a lifeblood cocoon and hornet refills it.

[hybrid stone]

i think all tools refill using shell shards

[tardy raft]

we'll probably need to do that to upgrade tools, but I like that idea

[opaque sigil]

Well that's different, and I'm skeptical that that's going to be how it works

[hybrid stone]

im looking forward to the full quests system tho

[quartz yew]

I mean, in the demo, forge daughter's dialogue might suggest we have to gather materials to upgrade and create tools.

[hybrid stone]

if zote isnt in silksong im not playing it /j

[opaque sigil]

Well yeah but that could just be like pale ore. It's not grinding out materials, it's finding them in the world in set locations

[copper knot]

silksong spoilers: ||hornet is going to be a returning character in silksong||

[hybrid stone]

i hope its not like that

[quartz yew]

Wayfarer quests give my exploration heart a leap. The potential for both lore and worldbuilding gives me life.

[barren roost]

but then if you were to use all of your shell shards up, wouldn't the game become harder?

[quartz yew]

No way

[brittle garnet]

It's kinda silly to think otherwise

[opaque sigil]

Grinding materials or finding things

[tardy raft]

mossberries suggest it will be, just less annoying

[coarse leaf]

yeah id imagine the game trying to punish you for dying and losing stuff

[opaque sigil]

Well that's a gather quest, and those may also be in set locations

[brittle garnet]

actually I'm wondering about this, because there was a very similar looking one in the trailer. Is it an upgraded version, or did they just change the sprite?

[hybrid stone]

you dont lose shell shards on death

[opaque sigil]

Seems like a sprite change to me

[brittle garnet]

yeah thought so

[tardy raft]

I don't know, looks complicated enough to be an upgrade

[opaque sigil]

Having two tools with icons that similar would be confusing anyways

[quartz yew]

Legit thought this was a charm the first time I saw it. I wonder what the moss stuff does. Healing? Silk enhancement? Veganism?/j

[hybrid stone]

aren't the mossberries for a quest

[tardy raft]

there was that green silk thing on one of the Riddle reveals

[opaque sigil]

Yes

[quartz yew]

I wonder if everyone in Pharloom uses silk as their main way of casting magic, similarly to soul but less genocide, and each area has a different way of casting silk spells.

[brittle garnet]

anyway, yeah, the Quests are misleading with their name, they will not be anything like Quests in RPGs. There will be no grinding, or repetition, the Quests are just a formalized way of doing stuff in the world. You won't have to kill X enemies, but you will have to go to a set location and clear it or do a combat challenge thing. You won't have to grind mossberries but you're gonna have to look for them. Similarly you also have to find the quest giver too, since we're only told their location very generally.

[marsh ibex]

Silk is a soul conduit

It’s not soul itself

probably

[brittle garnet]

there isn't really magic in the world of Hollow Knight, not in a traditional sense

[tardy raft]

there's going to be less magic, I think they'll just use silk as a way to make traps

[quartz yew]

It is? Damn I need to brush up on lore again.

[marsh ibex]

mfw actual spell casting is a thing

[opaque sigil]

Are... are you sure about that one

[marsh ibex]

based and redpille

[hybrid stone]

i think they mean in pharloom

[brittle garnet]

yeah, it's not a very common thing and it's not natural

[primal oriole]

Hornet’s silk contains soul, at least

[coarse leaf]

sounds like magic to me

[primal oriole]

that… doesn’t mean it’s not magic?

[opaque sigil]

I mean magic likely arose independently at least twice in Hallownest

Moths and AC, probably shamans too

[quartz yew]

Looks at spell twister charm Hm...

[tardy raft]

Unlike the purely ephemeral, god-created Knight, Gibson reminds us, Hornet is also halfbug. “And what that means is – and this perhaps happened automatically just through development – she’s much more physical, and the world as a result is more physical. So there are less glowy orb things, and magic bursts of light, and many more blades and traps.”

Indeed, we see several sneakily strung-up trigger threads across the Kingdom, designed to catch out those not paying proper attention to their surroundings.

[hybrid stone]

we know almost nothing about pharloom

[brittle garnet]

I mean like uh, it's not something you can just pick up and learn, and it's not a centralized, uniform thing.

[primal oriole]

yeah that doesn’t mean it’s not magic

[marsh ibex]

dude you’re listing tropes

and saying that those tropes make magic

[brittle garnet]

ok fair

[quartz yew]

So it's more going to be grounded on physical strenght.
So perhaps silk is used to enhance strenght?

[tardy raft]

I think silk is going to be used like rope

[opaque sigil]

Pharloom is more aesthetically physical, but magic is still pretty prevalent

[tardy raft]

as the "trigger threads" would suggest

[primal oriole]

there’s also the fact that silk is already a physical thing

it’s not like soul spells where it’s formed into a weird shape and then explodes

[opaque sigil]

silk spear moment

[hybrid stone]

i think silk can act as a vessel for soul

[quartz yew]

I mean if it causes damage with gauzimer storm (I hope I spelled that right) then I sure hope it's physical.

[brittle garnet]

Silk is probably not used for any supernatural purposes by the vast majority of the kingdom

[hybrid stone]

isnt it gossamer

[brazen needle]

why is this channel so busy? did i miss something?

[tardy raft]

no

[brittle garnet]

What I meant with the magic thing is that there most definitely won't be a unique form of magic for every area, or any kind of magic, for most of them.

[coarse leaf]

silk mechs

[marsh ibex]

silksong discussion is happening

[tardy raft]

we're talkin bout tools

[hybrid stone]

maybe silk is just a different source of power, not at all related to soul-

[quartz yew]

See ya'll. I just wanted to talk for a short while. I'm going to bed.

[brittle garnet]

Hollow Knight is a low magic setting in the sense that there are vast amount of magical things and forces but the vast majority of bugs don't have access to them.

and they have no concept of magic

[safe vigil]

do you think that iselda may be one of the warriors in chakra's group

[marsh ibex]

ok sure

[spare orbit]

can you believe it guys? silksong. just 36 days away.

[marsh ibex]

doesn’t mean there isn’t magic lmao

[ornate beacon]

I am, once again, craving silksong.

[brittle garnet]

that's not what I meant, bruh

[ornate beacon]

I'm such a desperate need for its ost.

[slate wagon]

Bruv

[high hedge]

I guess it depends on your definition of magic. The power of dreams feels pretty mystical

[tardy raft]

soul is the 'advanced science is indifferent to magic' and then there's just essence and void and everything Unn did

[brittle garnet]

yeah that's why I said "in a traditional sense"

[marsh ibex]

You’re in a traditional sense

[coarse leaf]

bars

[marsh ibex]

also if traditional magic involves mysticism, the shamans are pretty mysterious and mystical themselves

Cope

spooky

[brittle garnet]

no I meant the fantasy kind of magic

[marsh ibex]

what the hell is skulduggery

[spare orbit]

btw, i dreamed about silksong, i got some sort of red and yellow flys, and i used those to increase my damage and movement speed, it's obliviously not gonna happen of course

[marsh ibex]

trickery lmao

[primal oriole]

that is a very broad statement lmao

[tardy raft]

Unn and the Shamans and the Dream Realm cover that pretty solidly

[high hedge]

Summoning the essence of higher beings like the Godseekers do seems pretty magical

[marsh ibex]

i guess magic schools don’t exist in fantasy, my bad

I am the best scarecrow

[fierce seal]

is there anything hapening in january

[marsh ibex]

because I am a straw man

[reef scarab]

So close until one year since news

[high hedge]

Maybe

[marsh ibex]

Nothing confirmed

[spare orbit]

no, but there probably is in feburary

[fierce seal]

i mean events

[primal oriole]

probably is a stretch

[safe vigil]

I think that iselda may be part of shakra's clan

[primal oriole]

there might be something

[rapid topaz]

nothing confirmed too lol

[safe vigil]

they look pretty similar & both are big into maps

[fierce seal]

TGA? lmao

[spare orbit]

xd

[high hedge]

The Game Awards

[safe vigil]

Also, Iselda was a fierce warrior, like it says that the clan is

[spare orbit]

dies

[brittle garnet]

no they really don't

[safe vigil]

Iselda's craft skill could be liek selling or something

[high hedge]

Is it just the lack of magic words?

[tardy raft]

well then what have I been doing in the Forgotten Realms because it's pretty similar

[high hedge]

Because shamans practice spells

[primal oriole]

I can’t even begin to understand what I’m supposed to argue against because “the fantasy kind of magic” encompasses so much

[marsh ibex]

Arch I think you just have a hyper focused definition of magic when that doesn’t exist

[brittle garnet]

don't even bring up D&D as a comparison

[high hedge]

Then define magic

[fierce seal]

well, if there's going to be a feb release, unless it's in late february, there should be something in january

[wanton crest]

magic is when mana does stuff

[coarse leaf]

i guess he means not shit like grimoires and elements and stuff

[high hedge]

What separates mana from soul

[tardy raft]

everything involving essence and the dream realm is pure classic fantasy magic

it's a mana system derived from what's basically a god that takes place in another dimension

[brittle garnet]

is it really a mana system?

[marsh ibex]

well actually

[tardy raft]

and has the power to revive the dead and teleport you across vast distances

[marsh ibex]

dreams usually don’t derive from one entity in particular, aside from nightmares

[tardy raft]

Dreamgate

[brittle garnet]

does it really have the power to revive the dead?

[high hedge]

Speaking to their spirits

[primal oriole]

sometimes

[wanton crest]

not the same

[tardy raft]

fair, commune with the dead is still pretty up there

[primal oriole]

that’s what the Infection is, but it’s not a complete revival

[high hedge]

It certainly makes a dead being more tangible

[brittle garnet]

the "spirits" are imprints of their mind, they're not actually them

just like "Soul" is not actually their Soul as we define it

[primal oriole]

eh, I don’t see the point in making that distinction, if they can think like normal people (which they can’t which is why I don’t think they count)

[high hedge]

How is that not magical

[tardy raft]

they give soul when struck, they're some form of tangible being connected to reality

[marsh ibex]

I mean soul has a whispering sound effect

Also again this is literally just a matter of opinion arch

Just cuz it’s not your definition of magic doesn’t make it not magic

[brittle garnet]

bruh

[marsh ibex]

bruh me one more time

[wanton crest]

b

[marsh ibex]

I’ll fill your cabbages with waffles covered in cranberry juice

[brittle garnet]

i literally said that it is not my point that magic doesn't exist

[marsh ibex]

it’s not traditional magic yeah you said that

again, what is traditional magic? Another thing that is your opinion, right?

fight me

[brittle garnet]

My point is that magic isn't really a unified force within the world.

[wanton crest]

this can be true yeah

[brittle garnet]

it's hard for me to present this accurately as to how I see it

[sand moth]

anybody exited about what happens to mr shroom in pharloom

[marsh ibex]

that is literally all you needed to say

I will fill your tomes with dark magic now

Goodbye

[empty tree]

cant wait to eat mr mushroom as a nice soup

[marsh ibex]

[tardy raft]

magic is rarely a unified force, it only ever is in a monotheistic deity base which is present in most classic fantasy, I'll give you that

[marsh ibex]

man if I’m being for real I don’t like that kind of magic yknow, but that’s mostly because of science shit

I mean then again we do have like an entire taxonomical domain that is shit that we don’t understand so

[tardy raft]

LotR and narnia were both written by massive christian nerds

[high hedge]

That didn’t like each other

[brittle garnet]

like, unlike in DnD and stuff, where magic is this vague force which allows you to do anything you fucking want, "Magic" in Hollow Knight is more like the properties of certain things which exist in the world.

[tardy raft]

Tolkein straight up converted Lewis what are you talking about

[marsh ibex]

Tolkien didn’t like Dune

different author

[high hedge]

Weren’t they very critical of each other’s works? It’s been a while since I’ve read up on their relationship

[tardy raft]

I'd say that's closer to classic fantasy, in LotR magic is confined in scope as well and is a fundamental property of existence that can grow and fade over time

[tardy raft]

tolkein didn't like lewis' overt symbolism but they were still pals

[high hedge]

Ahhh okay

[brittle garnet]

yeah but it's only one kind and it still pretty overarching

while in HK there are various things which could be considered magic

Soul is just the lifeforce which animates living beings, and some of those beings have the ability to use it to achieve magical effects, there are Dreams and Nightmares, Void, and probably a bunch of other stuff we don't know about.

[tardy raft]

it's hard to find classic fantasy examples with multiple magic bases because everything was written by massive christian nerds

[marsh ibex]

ironic

[tardy raft]

OD&D released in 1974 though, and that has multiple magic bases

[marsh ibex]

Because witches were satanic and shit

and miracles were based on the big G

[tardy raft]

so that's probably the oldest you'll get

[marsh ibex]

or the big Y whatever you call em

[coarse leaf]

whats Y?

[stark estuary]

Y Chromosome

[marsh ibex]

though I guess that all would translate back to him so

huh

Yahweh/YHVH

[high hedge]

It’s Yo

[tardy raft]

Yahweh, Yohwoh, Yehwuh

[coarse leaf]

https://www.fangamer.com/collections/hollow-knight/products/hollow-knight-hornet-shirt just ordered this in anticipation for silksong to eventually come

[marsh ibex]

nice

[primal oriole]

I mean if you get even older than that you get into “sometimes weird stuff just happens man” magic

[tardy raft]

Celtic magic is pretty neat

[marsh ibex]

man that pisses me the fuck off

didn’t the celts get christianized

So their old shit had to be changed to fit the new shit

[versed pollen]

My favourite magic is quantum mechanics

[coarse leaf]

tbf i also went off on twitter abt how much I love hk so maybe im a little too obsessed

[tardy raft]

they did and it sucks because now we barely have original sources and everything has to be extrapolated

[coarse leaf]

my favorite is calculus

[marsh ibex]

like it’s not even a matter of “I wanna know how the old gods did shit” like wtf man you screwed their history over wtffffff

[versed pollen]

Calculus isn't magic, it makes sense

[coarse leaf]

not to me

[tardy raft]

imagine how much cool shit England might've had

[versed pollen]

Yea well I have yet to hear anyone claim that quantum mechanics makes sense

[coarse leaf]

maths were a mistake, return to monke

[tardy raft]

tell me that 2d numbers aren't magic

[versed pollen]

"That sub-atomic particle will acts like a wave when it isn't observed" my ass this isn't philosophy. The next thing you're going to say is that trees are silent when no one hears them fall

[stark estuary]

So did the Vikings

[marsh ibex]

Yes, I know that

[stark estuary]

Did I ask

[tardy raft]

the vikings wrote shit down

[marsh ibex]

and some people argue that even ragnarok itself and loki were results of christianization but imo they didn’t

[cinder turtle]

🤨

[marsh ibex]

it was just easier for them to turn it all into that again

And they wrote stuff assumedly prior

[brittle garnet]

also Slavs and pretty much every european culture

[marsh ibex]

we at least have records

[stark estuary]

I mean Loki is kinda whack tbh, didn't he exist earlier as a fire deity or some shit

[primal oriole]

hey I mean technically the observation part is made up and not real, probably

[versed pollen]

Is the thing in your banner an actual game? If so, what is it?

[trim estuary]

Are we discussing religion again

[primal oriole]

probably not, but we don’t know

[tardy raft]

all the old european mythos that might've been erased by christianity are tragedies

[primal oriole]

there’s a story where he talks to a fire spirit named Logi which makes no sense if his name is supposed to be a reference to that

[brittle garnet]

it's pretty bad with Slavic folklore because prior to the christianization everything was just word of mouth, so there are very few records to speak of

[coarse leaf]

wtf does this say im

[versed pollen]

im

[tardy raft]

I want to know the other stories from the cultures that could come up with dragons (the 6 limbed ones)

[versed pollen]

@cinder turtle

[trim estuary]

@cinder turtle

[marsh ibex]

anyways speaking of gods and belief systems

[coarse leaf]

This remembers me about this: Loki was in one of the Mask movies

[marsh ibex]

not entirely, it’s been a while but just watch osp’s loki vid like I know you did

[brittle garnet]

it's not

[versed pollen]

noooo

[stark estuary]

kek

[marsh ibex]

the concept of a form of false papacy in silksong

not literally melded off of irl papacy imo, i feel like TC would be a little more subtle

[brittle garnet]

I like that idea

I think there is something with whoever pulls the strings ||heh|| being a sort of false prophet

or something similar

[versed pollen]

I hope the final boss is just this dude with like a million arms and they are literally pulling the strings on everything

They have no health bar, no attacks, and you just have to cut off all their arms. It will take 5 years to beat

[coarse leaf]

Imagine if the final boss is just someone who breaks the fourth wall tho

[brittle garnet]

god no

[marsh ibex]

and imo I lowkey want the true final boss to just be the main final boss again, but they’re using either a fake god that is built into the citadel’s top or a literal dead god corpse to curry favor from everyone else

And keep pilgrims and funds rolling into pharloom

[brittle garnet]

My theory is that a god is being controlled/imprisoned and used by the Citadel's caste

[potent plover]

it breaks through a 4 walls as a dramatic entrance

But I honestly can't wait to see all the bosses in silksong

[primal oriole]

I think there’s a dead god, and it’s corpse is where the white flowers are coming from, and that’s Seth’s secret

[potent plover]

avoiding spoilers is going to be so hard if I have to search up how to beat a boss I can't beat.

[brittle garnet]

if the god is dead then how does it empower Seth?

[digital mountain]

Is there a confirmed release yet

[brittle garnet]

besides, the white flowers appear to be coming from the top of the Citadel, and Seth is at the very bottom

[versed pollen]

Alternatively you can cry about it and just figure out strats on your own

[primal oriole]

I mean, the roots are near Seth

[marsh ibex]

I mean how does PK’s beacon works after death?

[brittle garnet]

guess that's fair

[primal oriole]

plus who even knows what the Voice is

[brittle garnet]

but Seth does say that the voice has "Chosen Him" which it probably couldn't do if it was dead

[marsh ibex]

it’s a really neat show on TV

[brittle garnet]

i think the line in Pharloom's Folly that says "They forget your heart, bound in slumber and servitude" refers to this god or being

to be fair a dead god is also likely because of all the motifs about death

Dies Irae, White Roses

though there is also the everpresent chains which makes me believe more in the bound/imprisoned god idea

[primal oriole]

could be both

bound exploited god that died

[brittle garnet]

I though the reversal could be that in HK the god was malevolent and imprisoned to stop their advance, while in SS the god could be benevolent and imprisoned to use its power

so in HK God bad, Sealed by Good guys (mostly )
while in SS God good, sealed by bad guys

but tbh HK's overarching theme was trying to defy the inevitable, while we don't really know what Silksong's theme is.

[stark estuary]

The final boss is Blackwyrm bro

[marsh ibex]

don’t meme ping me bro

actually scratch that you’re not my bro

[stark estuary]

Cope

[serene chasm]

Are we bros, Joker?

[marsh ibex]

possibly

[serene chasm]

sweet

[nimble radish]

brobroker

[digital glen]

™️

[empty trench]

Lol

[sacred stratus]

what does broker mean?

[nimble radish]

someone who brokes stuff

[sacred stratus]

you mean breaks?

[serene chasm]

A broker is a person or company that buys, trades, or negotiates on your behalf.

[latent mauve]

true ss discussion haha

[narrow lava]

hiy goiyz anee knews?

[olive bobcat]

Called a broker cause it gets ya broke amirite?

[serene chasm]

All discussions on SS discussion are true ss discussions cause they are on #sk-discussion

[latent mauve]

idk how much of it is true, but i heard that silk song would be done, its that TC just keeps adding stuff

[serene chasm]

Thats usually how games work. They could all be done pretty quickly if those damn devs didnt keep adding stuff to them

[narrow lava]

I have also heard that, but its from the resident TC affiliate troll so take it with a grain of salt

[silver oak]

You are #sk-discussion

[latent mauve]

even fake news is news now

[nimble radish]

it's still new

[olive bobcat]

Oh?

[chrome dragon]

[nimble radish]

speak for yourself

[silver oak]

wtf's with the elderC

I'm literally just pasting a quote

hey shandow

[nimble radish]

goodbye fleshmancer

[narrow lava]

he is probably telling the truth, but ill be honest the only time I was 100% sure the was genuine was when he apologized for trolling

[nimble radish]

classic shandow

[silver oak]

nooooooooooo

I was 'ed
Guess I'll die

[latent mauve]

i justhope it all connects well with the game. imo the hive felt like quite a disjointed part of the hk game, compared to other areas

[silver oak]

what connects?

[marsh ibex]

to be fair, kingdom’s edge was literally just a “everything else goes here” area

[latent mauve]

the new content they supposedly keep adding to ss

[silver oak]

To be fair, that's basically been their strategy for the entirety of development

Charms were a system that was done almost completely in the last few months before release iirc

[brittle garnet]

well yeah the Hive was like a last second addition

[warm bone]

grag

[silver oak]

And are charms a bad part of the game?

[brittle garnet]

and yeah the charms were made in like the last 3 months of development

[digital glen]

I like the hive, everytime i go there it feels so out of place but still is a amusing way, even being kinda of a disappointment

[silver oak]

Exactly

I mean it kinda did work
KE is awesome

[empty trench]

Charms are tools tecnically

[narrow lava]

the hive is the only place (other than colosseum of fools) that feels alive

[empty trench]

So are you guys talking about tools?

[latent mauve]

the ss tools seem more involved than charms

[empty trench]

Colosseum of tools

[serene chasm]

tools > charms

[nimble radish]

if a tool's affect seems to weird to be mechanical, just make it a charm

[hybrid stone]

there are charms in ss?

[nimble radish]

not that we know of

[hybrid stone]

huh

[nimble radish]

charms are the result of a hallownestian higher being we never see or hear about in the game 😌

[stark estuary]

Wrong.

[nimble radish]

wait...the blackwyrm!

[hybrid stone]

would anyone like to play some multiplayer with me

[stark estuary]

Good. You corrected yourself.

[nimble radish]

the lore guys, the LORE

[hybrid stone]

heres my plan: infiltrate team cherry and borrow the lore bible.

[stark estuary]

Good.

[hybrid stone]

wait whats the blackwyrm

[stark estuary]

God.

[woeful nimbus]

and then the lore bible is just 862 pages of "hornet is void"

[hybrid stone]

arent most wyrms godlike

[empty trench]

The wyrm thats black

[dire kindle]

It's a fight the knights had "battle of the blackwyrm"

[nimble radish]

the blackwyrm is capital G God

[hybrid stone]

huhhhh

[nimble radish]

yet another shandow moment

[stark estuary]

In the beginning, there were two Wyrms. One was Blackwyrm. The other was also Blackwyrm.

[nimble radish]

how do you even type that

[empty trench]

Is pale king the white wyrm or smth?

[stark estuary]

Pale Wyrm

[empty trench]

Black wyrm = void

[stark estuary]

Blackwyrm created the Void, yes.

[empty trench]

that was a void joke

[stark estuary]

[marsh ibex]

Ignore kirb

Before I ban them

[empty trench]

Why brobroker

[stark estuary]

No-

[silver oak]

if wyrms are gods, then it makes sense that a black wyrm is the god of void