sk-discussion

[stark estuary]

PK emotes good. PK good. Other emotes bad.

[burnt topaz]

well, more in the sense that there could be more of others

[marsh ibex]

you won’t

[trim estuary]

I watched the event in game with my brother and my friend and we all started dying at this part

[copper lichen]

I’ll get mod when silksong comes out due to the need for silksong specific mods

[mortal bluff]

Why nottttttt

[burnt topaz]

bold of you to say, blackwyrm

[silver oak]

If you beg hard enough you could even get banned

[cunning geode]

you will

[copper lichen]

thank you

[mortal bluff]

Wombat whyyyyyyy

[cunning geode]

bias

[uncut citrus]

I won’t change anything about my hollocord statue when silksong comes out

[mortal bluff]

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy not bias

[silver oak]

I'll get mod when this joke becomes old

Which is now

[mortal bluff]

Simos here! Simo can I have mod soon

[burnt topaz]

if in the next server announcement youre not mod necro im gonna be disappointed

[marsh ibex]

no

[modest night]

what did you start joker look at those people wanting to be mods now @marsh ibex

[uncut citrus]

Unless it’s news at TGA

[marsh ibex]

What did I do

[silver oak]

Idk I've been thinking about trying my luck when the next mod apps come around

[marsh ibex]

You will not

[mortal bluff]

Why

[modest night]

what the fuck

you can try don't listen to him

[silver oak]

I don't need your negative energy

[copper lichen]

@charred pulsar can i be moderator

[burnt topaz]

id never want to be mod, it seems like a pain

[charred pulsar]

Joker is our gatekeeper apparently

[mortal bluff]

Simo

[pallid flare]

#sk-discussion at 2 am hits differently

[marsh ibex]

True

[modest night]

simo joker impersonated me i think it's time for him to go 😔

[burnt topaz]

now add tga onto that

[silver oak]

I think I'll need to be more active in #hk-discussion or #hk-lore if I want a chance to be mod

[charred pulsar]

Goodbye Joker

[mortal bluff]

Simo hear me out

[marsh ibex]

No I didn’t

You have no proof

finally unplugged from the mother computer

freedom

[pallid flare]

simo can i go in jokers place, i think itd be quite humorous

[burnt topaz]

i may or may not have screenshotted it

[coarse leaf]

looks like a spot opened up necro

[mortal bluff]

I’m a okay mod Candidate

[marsh ibex]

nah

Now dogmah

[silver oak]

Currently I'm only active in here, but I could change that

[uncut citrus]

At 1:50, the wild mods and admin gets out of their place to hunt in their natural habitat, by 2am it is already too late for their prey

[copper lichen]

sup bitches

[marsh ibex]

That’s a mod candidate right there

[mortal bluff]

But I can juggle

[marsh ibex]

Honestly dunno why they don’t have mod

[mortal bluff]

And I can dance

[burnt topaz]

oh god the next o'clock is in 5 minutes

[heady iron]

clown skills

[silver oak]

Professionals have standards

[charred pulsar]

juggle and dance? energy

[burnt topaz]

people are scared of clowns

[marsh ibex]

So that’s why no one likes me

[silver oak]

I'm not scared of anything

[coarse leaf]

neck beard hasn't grown out yet?

[mortal bluff]

And I can write poems of my love of the hk discord server every Saturday eve

[charred pulsar]

Im not scared of you though

[uncut citrus]

They have 5min left to try to escape

[silver oak]

Except the ever approaching march of death

[mortal bluff]

Ouch

[burnt topaz]

[copper lichen]

Simo i have a proposition, you type something in mod chat and if i guess it, i get mod

[turbid kite]

why is this channel so mod-heavy all the time

[silver oak]

Cuz no one talks here except for events

[turbid kite]

true! we should end it

[pallid flare]

because you like us (?)

[uncut citrus]

It’s soon 2am y’all are getting your daily prey

[modest night]

yeah the channel is kinda dead otherwise

[turbid kite]

"daily prey" no we'd just go to hk-meme

[mortal bluff]

Because your cool

[turbid kite]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-spies-spies-in-disguise-youre-spies-gif-20405819

[silver oak]

I mean to be fair
We're probably the 2nd or 3rd most active channel

[tawdry valley]

If elected as moderator, I promise to delete Hk-meme and create a sub server to ensure it’s userbase does not expand into existing channels

[mortal bluff]

Ur

[mystic pewter]

This is the best gif in existence

[charred pulsar]

For a game that isnt out yet, or no news in nearly a year

[tawdry valley]

yr’uo

[burnt topaz]

hes so cool

[silver oak]

1. #hk-discussion, obviously
2. #sk-discussion or #off-topic idk

[turbid kite]

offtopic isn't that active

[silver oak]

Aside from hk-discussion this server is kinda quiet most of the time

[pallid flare]

its* (insert gif of guy in a suit stylishly getting into a car while things explode behind him)

[mystic pewter]

No news until TGA, you mean

[turbid kite]

then again i started ignoring it because everytime i looked in there, it was ????

[marsh ibex]

hk meme

modding channels

[wide zenith]

hi I'm New

[marsh ibex]

Opinion invalid

[turbid kite]

who the fuck goes into the modding channels

[burnt topaz]

hello new

[silver oak]

modders

[turbid kite]

what are you? a nerd??

[marsh ibex]

dimentio

[tawdry valley]

Howdy

[marsh ibex]

hi new

[pallid flare]

sometimes

[silver oak]

Hi new, I'm Necromancer

[turbid kite]

i had a crush on that fucker when i was in middle school. it was a premonition of my future role as a discord moderator

[wide zenith]

My Name Is Not New Tho

[pallid flare]

hi new im pyro

[burnt topaz]

so what brought you to #sk-discussion, new?

[mystic pewter]

I don't know what you're talking about New

[marsh ibex]

God you are such a piece of work

[pallid flare]

eternal desperation

[silver oak]

How much weight do you gain when you become a mod

[wide zenith]

I Like Hollow Knight Thats It

[turbid kite]

i think i actually lost weight

[tawdry valley]

Sock would not know, they were already fat

[burnt topaz]

nice, i like that game too

[full rune]

i gained weight

[wide zenith]

Cool

[silver oak]

Have you heard of a game called Silksong

[pallid flare]

woah you like hollow knight too?

[silver oak]

It's also cool

[burnt topaz]

it is cool

[wide zenith]

Yes

[pallid flare]

amazing

[gilded adder]

I gained an awesome community and staff

[turbid kite]

where?

[silver oak]

ew sentimentality

[copper lichen]

certainly not here

[turbid kite]

what kind of staff did you get
can you hit people with it

[silver oak]

gross

[pallid flare]

and i gained neighbours that play very loud music at 2 am

[turbid kite]

being in the hk discord gave you new neighbors?

[gilded adder]

Think the Bo from Warframe but with saws at both ends.

[coarse leaf]

my bad

[silver oak]

Sonia how do you feel about being the only female on the internet

[pallid flare]

yes please quiet down

[modest night]

damn you ew'd jonny, i guess you'll never become a mod after all 😔

[turbid kite]

you can't prove that sonia is a girl

[burnt topaz]

proceeds to evaporate

[wide zenith]

I'm Stuck On P5

[uncut citrus]

How does that change anything it’s not like you were gonna close discord and sleep

[pallid flare]

i would

[silver oak]

I'm sorry jonny it was a bit

[copper lichen]

Sonia how do you feel about being french

[turbid kite]

france has nice bread

sonia can actually go to the store and buy nice cheese

[uncut citrus]

We don’t talk about silksong there

[mystic pewter]

Originating from "Lands Beteween"

[median crest]

"what" also sorry

got it from the wiki

[silver oak]

Pharloom is in france

[gilded adder]

Also, apparently the Dead Cells crossover was just weapons relating to each of the characters, not playable characters themselves. Still really cool though.

[turbid kite]

maybe the flower in the hornet magazine cover is the fragile flower

[uncut citrus]

What it’s land serene

[turbid kite]

dead cells also has costumes though!!!

[gilded adder]

That's also true.

You can now pogo in Dead Cells.

[silver oak]

Path of Cells

[pallid flare]

epic

[uncut citrus]

Plus I got pure nail on my first 3min

Literally my first weapon

[copper lichen]

sure are taking a long time to type there sonia

[gilded adder]

iirc you get all the new weapons in the first area, they just randomly spawn

[uncut citrus]

I know but like I got the others one later on, even if still in the first few hours

[gilded adder]

The power of being a HK fan

[uncut citrus]

Yeah, plus it’s a really interesting weapon

[modest night]

i'm very proud to be french and not floridian unlike some people

[copper lichen]

wh would ever be floridian

[modest night]

idk some weirdo who probably mutes mods

[gilded adder]

I'm actually going to be traveling to Florida this month for vacation. My family bought a condo there.

[heady iron]

better than ohio

[copper lichen]

couldnt be me, i'm not a mod

[silver oak]

A lot of floridians I've met make fun of their own state

[modest night]

yo jonny you should meet joker and zaliant

[silver oak]

Florida is also a massive state

It's about a third the size of France

[mortal bluff]

I met my irl wife in hk memes just if any of you wanna know

[silver oak]

I was gonna say it's the size of France but that's texas

At least they don't live in Texas

[full rune]

and then there's alaska

[uncut citrus]

[burnt topaz]

i went to florida when i was a kid and i went to disney
it was fun im told but i cant remember it but i do remember seeing a giant chicken someone was just eating

[uncut citrus]

I hope you weren’t reposting

[silver oak]

Alaska alone is literally as wide as the entire continental us

[burnt topaz]

oh wow

[heady iron]

you can fit the entirety of the united states inside alaska

[silver oak]

Although that's including the islands on the end which stretch all the way to the IDL

[digital junco]

news silksong any guys???????1?1?1?11?11?1

[modest night]

damn me and somni really are the only female mods left i just thought about it

[full rune]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[modest night]

and she isn't even active

[median crest]

@digital junco im trying to figure this out

[silver oak]

Were there other ones?

[modest night]

tori

[digital junco]

lmao

[uncut citrus]

Slaps Alaska this bad boy can fit a whole USA

[silver oak]

I didn't know them, when did they leave

[heady iron]

rip i love dogs and hard liquor

[marsh ibex]

Wait

Simo is a dude?

holy shit I had no idea

[silver oak]

You thought simo was female

[modest night]

i actually didn't get mod while dogs was still a mod

damn joker is older than 10? i had no idea

[silver oak]

Unless you're trolling
Actually you're most likely trolling

[marsh ibex]

well I knew simo had a girlfriend but I thought he was just gay

[modest night]

i can't tell if you're serious 🥴

[silver oak]

Joker is underaged, banned

[mortal bluff]

*she

[marsh ibex]

I mean SimoSZX sounds feminine

[marsh ibex]

well I know now Simo is a guy

[uncut citrus]

Another reason for joker to get banned? Add it to the pile

[silver oak]

He literally did a DSN like 2 days before you

[modest night]

and you didn't find it weird when we called simo he in staff chat?

[marsh ibex]

I just thought y’all were misgendering assholes

[silver oak]

If you're serious, this is the funniest thing of all time

[mortal bluff]

Simos are a type of Japanese wrestling like culture icons. Idk what your talking about…

[marsh ibex]

and then after a while I thought simo was genderfluid

[modest night]

stop trolling and go to bed joker it's past your bedtime

[pallid flare]

you're joking right

[gilded adder]

No, he's Jojoking

[marsh ibex]

how was I the only person who thought simo was female

[silver oak]

It's a jojoke, get it

[marsh ibex]

I mean simo just gives off feminine energy

[burnt topaz]

does it?

[mortal bluff]

I actually did think he may be for a short time

[marsh ibex]

Simo is absolutely brimming with femininity

[silver oak]

What does feminine energy look like

[pallid flare]

jojoke lol

[modest night]

are you calling simo a femboy

[uncut citrus]

I almost made that joke but as you can see deleted before sending and I was hoping nobody thought about it as well but there we are

[silver oak]

Apparently sword nail thought I was female for a while

[pallid flare]

sword thinks many things

[mortal bluff]

I thought you were a robot…

[coarse leaf]

ur a dude??

[burnt topaz]

nah jellyfish

[median crest]

@marsh ibex @modest night please help, i just wanna discuss

[pallid flare]

not a jellyfish wtf

[full rune]

lmfao

[median crest]

this is the most off topic thing aaaaaaa

[full rune]

is that from packet

[silver oak]

[burnt topaz]

beautiful

[uncut citrus]

In case you haven’t noticed we don’t discuss silksong stuff in #sk-discussion

[marsh ibex]

anyways

[pallid flare]

i genuinely have no idea what you want to convey

[marsh ibex]

nothing suggests Ze’mer comes from Pharloom

[median crest]

WHERE DO WE

[uncut citrus]

[marsh ibex]

We already know that there are other kingdoms

[full rune]

speaking of ze'mer the fight is really fun

[pallid flare]

many many kingdoms

[marsh ibex]

and from what we’ve seen, no one in Pharloom talks like ze’mer does

Shut up pale courter

[median crest]

wh
dude i just looked up Ogrim's name

[silver oak]

Wait Zal are you working on Pale Court?

[pallid flare]

shtu up

[marsh ibex]

The pale courter knows who I’m referring to

[modest night]

oh wow i forgot pale court existed

because someone has stopped sharing leaks smh

[marsh ibex]

yeah there’s ogrim, dryya, ze’mer, hegemol and the worst one

[shell yacht]

shuttup dorks

[slow heart]

Leaks have been my only memories of Pale Court.

[silver oak]

Old zal pfp

[marsh ibex]

Quiet powdered

[median crest]

i understand

[turbid rivet]

👀 imagine there being leaks or updates of a thing

[modest night]

water i thought you were above us

[silver oak]

Also mod impersonation, banned

[gilded adder]

Izma is cool wdym

[slow heart]

Also dead.

[marsh ibex]

isma fucking sucks

[median crest]

HOW

[silver oak]

Jesus it's been a year since I started being active here

[marsh ibex]

oh look at me I’m a damn plant who makes fruit

fucking FRUIT

[slow heart]

"Time to die!"

[median crest]

and?

[gilded adder]

She has a cool design!

[burnt topaz]

happy anniversary

[turbid rivet]

time passes

[marsh ibex]

so cringe

[silver oak]

A year goes by quicker than you think ig

[orchid river]

have you ever woken up then remembered Silksongs not out yet:(

[uncut citrus]

Jesus it’s been a bit more than a moth and I feel like it’s been a year

[gilded adder]

Every single day.

[burnt topaz]

it takes me like a few hours usually

[silver oak]

I had a dream last night where Ari showed up here and was just talking

And then in the dream, I woke up and thought it was a dream but it was real

[marsh ibex]

oh yeah the last time ari talked was about 3 weeks ago

[slow heart]

Reevers you really like "".

[orchid river]

currently waiting for silksong

[marsh ibex]

wait nvm that was actually in #staff-casual my bad

doesn’t count

[silver oak]

And then I actually wokeup and literally died

[heady jolt]

last time i had a silksong dream it was at e3 this was like a week before it was deconfirmed

[silver oak]

I am ghost

[uncut citrus]

Tbh I think I also had a ss related dream but all I remember is a bit after waking up remembering my dream was about silksong but I don’t remember anything of the dream itself

[silver oak]

Fight

[marsh ibex]

achoo

[coarse leaf]

👀

[silver oak]

bless you

[modest night]

i'll delete you one day joker

[silver oak]

fight

[burnt topaz]

that was almost simultaneously

[marsh ibex]

Sad

[pastel silo]

Can you finally make this an emote here?

[marsh ibex]

No

[slate wagon]

Unbased

[silver oak]

They're having a friendly discussion in mod chat

[coarse leaf]

i wonder if they want to talk here, but don't cos they know people would flip

[proud vale]

It really should be

[marsh ibex]

Sock is just talking about a cat they stole

[uncut citrus]

Classic sock

[modest night]

the cat is cute btw

[silver oak]

Remember when we were talking about wilbo's face on the TC website and he just showed up and 😐'ed us

[marsh ibex]

https://youtu.be/BbXJ3_AQE_o
HOLY SHIT

[silver oak]

HOLY FUCK

[gilded adder]

Yea, I saw

[coarse leaf]

Hi any Silkgay news ?

[burnt topaz]

YOO

[coarse leaf]

yo good stuff

[gilded adder]

Spider-Verse is now a trilogy

[marsh ibex]

Wdyn

Tripogy

Triloy

[pastel silo]

Yo you didn't mention graig hyping up admins and ppl to join VC during TGA, dislike

[marsh ibex]

Trulgoy

Troliyy

Triloggy

ztirkogy

TRIOGKY

[coarse leaf]

1- whats VC 2- that happened?

[marsh ibex]

FUCK

[slate wagon]

Triko?

[heady iron]

no slow mode abuse

[stoic thistle]

Voice chat and yes

[pastel silo]

Voice chat

[coarse leaf]

January.....

[pastel silo]

Look at those devils

[burnt topaz]

october 7 2022 no thats so far

[coarse leaf]

october 22 2021

[modest night]

oh wow i remember that

you all make me feel old

[silver oak]

Prepare for fsdfrgecterservtetgdrhdgdfghdhdgssdfsgxfg in vcs

[marsh ibex]

Sonia shut up you’re baby

[burnt topaz]

sounds like fun

[coarse leaf]

prepare for nothing December 9

[uncut citrus]

I’ll probably join VC muted just to hear the chaos

[modest night]

at least i'll outlive you joker

[burnt topaz]

ill prepare my 5000 word essay proving you wrong when silksong

[coarse leaf]

Im just happy playing Octopath Traveler f*ck Silkgay

[marsh ibex]

You won’t

[gilded adder]

Aren't you two the same age?

[silver oak]

I think you mean fuck

[marsh ibex]

You’ll die of cardiac arrest tragically at april the 19th

[coarse leaf]

zal has no filter lol

[silver oak]

yeah, I swear

[coarse leaf]

I mean what I said 👀

[marsh ibex]

I’m older than her

[uncut citrus]

Alight this is definitely a threat

[modest night]

when is your birthday again joker?

[silver oak]

Wait lemme guess

February 20th

[coarse leaf]

in october

[marsh ibex]

I’m not saying it again

But yours is after mine in like

[silver oak]

All people born in February are miserable

[marsh ibex]

uhhh

UHHH

[gilded adder]

Everyone younger than me is a baby and everyone older than me is a fossil.

[marsh ibex]

i swear i didn’t forgor

[burnt topaz]

its true

[silver oak]

We must be exactly the same age then

[pastel silo]

lol I genuinely thought ure stizzl for a moment that's why I said that, he was chatting here a few hours ago ah

[gilded adder]

Judging by what you said earlier, and assuming that's true, I'm older.

[coarse leaf]

Been off Discord a few days 😭

[modest night]

damn i swear i had notes for all the mods but they're gone

[marsh ibex]

haha

[silver oak]

I don't think I said anything

[gilded adder]

I'm an old, old man.

[marsh ibex]

jiji

[modest night]

you can't be older than water and zaliant

those 2 are actual fossils

[uncut citrus]

Can’t be older than unique

[coarse leaf]

You literally have -1 year old

[full rune]

[silver oak]

Simo and benji are both boomers

[untold inlet]

I just realized the previously theorized 5th anniversary release of SS is kinda not a good idea... same day as Elden Ring

[uncut citrus]

Ok brb

[silver oak]

Elden Ring's coming Feb 24th?

[gilded adder]

I'm 21. I have no qualms with revealing my age lol.

[silver oak]

Boomer

[coarse leaf]

point

[gilded adder]

[modest night]

oh what you're young jonny

[coarse leaf]

That's actually not that old tho

[marsh ibex]

EYO JONNY

BUY ME SOME ALCOHOL

[untold inlet]

I think so

[gilded adder]

no

[modest night]

imagine needing to be 21 to buy alcohol

lmao

[gilded adder]

I was mostly joking about being old

[untold inlet]

Wait it's the 25th possibly

[coarse leaf]

"mostly"

[marsh ibex]

sonia you’re french

[pastel silo]

EU gang

[naive flax]

5 more days....

[marsh ibex]

that supersedes any coolness you have

[trim estuary]

imagine needing alcohol

[untold inlet]

US gang

[naive flax]

Until guaranteed Silksong news!!

[modest night]

you're american that's worse joker

[full rune]

lmao

[naive flax]

There is a 100% chance for news to be at TGA

[modest night]

at least i can afford going to college

[burnt topaz]

eu gang who are staying up really dang late

[naive flax]

SILK SONG WILL BE AT TGA 100%!!!

[burnt topaz]

ah its sunday tomorrow who cares

[potent plover]

Do you guys think there will be any silksong bosses harder than absrad

[marsh ibex]

I can afford college

[pastel silo]

The gang that will have to be up until 6 a.m. for the god damn tga

[coarse leaf]

Of course

[marsh ibex]

My parents just won’t pay for it because “I don’t deserve it”

[modest night]

what the fuck that's actually very sad

[potent plover]

Fuck

[silver oak]

Let’s compare!
America: made fun of often online
France: also made fun of often online

Therefore, neither is worse

[coarse leaf]

My favorite place is Pharloom!!

[potent plover]

Shit

[silver oak]

Crap

[burnt topaz]

stop swearing guys

[coarse leaf]

Hey, it's going to be a good boss fight :)

[silver oak]

Stupid

[gilded adder]

Stoopid

[burnt topaz]

schtyoopid

[shell yacht]

fuck ok

[potent plover]

absrad dumbassery

[naive flax]

Preemptive 20 min slowmode on December 9th

[coarse leaf]

That's something that is actually going to happen

[silver oak]

Window said they’re not raising slowmode

[coarse leaf]

Indie World was already really bad, imagine in TGA

[coarse leaf]

found the brit

[potent plover]

24 hour slomo, Only one message.

[trim estuary]

1253%*

[full rune]

hopefully make another thread

[pastel silo]

Btw don't forget that the backers will know in advance that SS is about to release as they have to tell tc whether they want their Switch copy...any backers here?

[shell yacht]

nah i just use a new secret bot to mute you all till next december

[naive flax]

true

[marsh ibex]

no one asked powdered

[shell yacht]

shutup jojo

[coarse leaf]

I highly doubt it, #indie-world was really chaotic

[silver oak]

fight

[shell yacht]

not even a stand user smh

[marsh ibex]

mhm

[gilded adder]

Powder? Is that an Arcane reference?

[naive flax]

Chat will be even worse if there is a release date announced

[silver oak]

well ok
Window said if there is news, they're not raising slowmode

[naive flax]

and if it is soon.

[gilded adder]

why you clown me

[silver oak]

Let the hype happen ig
Don't stifle positive hype

[hollow sedge]

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1467296676725489664

Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley)

Tomorrow morning I will launch my 2 minute hype trailer for #TheGameAwards on Thursday night.

I always have a ton of fun personally editing these trailers -- gets my head in the game for the show.

The set is almost done...can't wait to show you guys!

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Twitter · Dec 5, 2021, 12:56 AM

[coarse leaf]

Oh no, SS-Discussion will actually have topic to talk about, that scares me...

[pastel silo]

Why worse? It will be full of pure joy

[burnt topaz]

thanks geoff

[naive flax]

Worse as in spam wise.

[silver oak]

Geoff edits them himself? Chad

[hollow sedge]

in other words, silksong is ready

[coarse leaf]

My body is ready.

[naive flax]

Will this trailer show spoilers? 👀

[untold inlet]

Pls if I become any more hyped I'll disintegrate

[coarse leaf]

no spoilers for silksong pls

But idk what to expect on TGA really, my guess is that there's going to have no SS news at all!

[uncut citrus]

I’m back but actually imma go now

[marsh ibex]

wdym spoilers

[silver oak]

What if I disintegrate you with my disintegration ray first

[marsh ibex]

literally every time people ask for news they are asking for spoilers

[trim estuary]

Silksong is actually a prequel

[naive flax]

like spoilers for the games at TGA

[untold inlet]

Good, end my suffering in this mortal coil

[hollow sedge]

it'll probably tease a few games but idk

[coarse leaf]

Yooo, HK 2 teaser?!

[naive flax]

Hollownest but more ruined

[opaque sigil]

Probably but that info is already public

[coarse leaf]

Imagine if TC is actually there, but they just reveal another project instead of SS tho

[potent plover]

plot twist: It will show the hollow knight 2015 trailer

[silver oak]

bUt I jUsT wAnT tHeM tO sAy If ThEy'Re AlIvE

[untold inlet]

Imagine if they flash through like 100 game clips or something (i.e. more than could ever be featured in the show) and one of them is a few frames from the SS trailer.

"Does it mean anything or was it just randomly chosen?" That question would tear apart this channel for the 4 days before TGA

[silver oak]

Typing like that is agonizing

[coarse leaf]

"I want to know every area of Silksong, those are my daily news."

[untold inlet]

There's an online generator for that, lemme find it

[naive flax]

I just want more info on coral area

is that too much to ask for?

[coarse leaf]

I don't want SS spoilers.

[silver oak]

I just want... nothing more, literally just a release date

[coarse leaf]

Nobody wants SS spoilers.

[silver oak]

Well really I just want the game
Release date or not

[coarse leaf]

Everyone wants SS release date.

[silver oak]

Whenever it's ready

[naive flax]

Silksong release date: X/X/20XX

[silver oak]

You might be surprised

[silver oak]

XX/XX/2XXX

[opaque sigil]

What counts as a spoiler is pretty subjective

[untold inlet]

Honestly I'm glad TC is being so tight lipped... the original HK trailers literally showed areas as far into the game as the White Palace and I don't want that for SS

[naive flax]

maybe a bit pessimistic

[opaque sigil]

[untold inlet]

Then again there's that one scene from the SS trailer that supposedly shows the Citadel

[pastel silo]

Dont jinx it, the launch trailer may still include many spoilers

[silver oak]

I mean the citadel is presumably very late game

At least part of it

[flint matrix]

Or its only midgame...

[opaque sigil]

I mean there isn't any context for it so whatever

[coarse leaf]

If TC just put a screen with SS release date without any content of SS, it would be great

[hollow sedge]

maybe the upper level, i think you'll encounter the lowest level of the citadel pretty early on

[opaque sigil]

Like sure we saw a few moments of footage from a presumably late game area, so be it
Without context that doesn't mean much

[heady jolt]

thats what im imagining

[silver oak]

I'm assuming the fight with the citadel knight and the second lace fight are both later game, just by going off what their areas look like and what we know about the general layout of the game

[radiant wraith]

20 minute video of Ari and William talking live on TGA

[untold inlet]

True and now that I think about it I probably saw these areas when watching the trailer before I bought the game... yet I didn't really consider them spoiled for me

[untold inlet]

Praying they reuse as much footage as possible

[coarse leaf]

That wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

[silver oak]

Not even about SS, just random stuff

[untold inlet]

Update: cannot find it

[heady jolt]

tga ends without silksong and then as people leave people are spamming clownkin here and then on a screen it fades to say

Hollow Knight: Silksong

Releases xxxx

[radiant wraith]

If there's new spoiler stuff, I will not be able to resist absorbing all of it

[silver oak]

What was the thing they were talking about in APWOT

[opaque sigil]

"So here's why you shouldn't put pineapple on pizza"
Proceeds to talk about pizza for all four hours of the stream

[heady jolt]

that would legitimately be funny if that happened

[untold inlet]

They put the release date at like 13:27 in so you can't just skip right to it

[pastel silo]

I think the Citadel may be similiar to City of Tears as in that we may be lead to think it's the main target of our journey but once we reach it there will be some big revelation and from then on our path will branch out to different directions

[silver oak]

And we'd watch the whole thing, scouring it for info

"Pizza in Silksong?"

[coarse leaf]

Bugs have the ability to eat?!

[radiant wraith]

Pizza for the lady

[hollow sedge]

i think thats more greymoors role, since its the largest area

[heady jolt]

or it could be like the multiple endings

citadel has an ending when you immediately reach it however its the "bad ending"

[hollow sedge]

and probably the central hub of Pharloom like the city of tears

[silver oak]

HK doesn't really have a main endgame area

[heady jolt]

abyss kinda

[opaque sigil]

Abyss is midgame if anything

[coarse leaf]

City of Tears and Ancient Basin

[silver oak]

It has FG for the early game and CoT for the midgame, but the late game is kinda all over the place

[untold inlet]

"Oh so Will's wife was sending him out to get stuff for the baby and on the way out she was asking him all sorts of questions like 'where did I leave my phone', 'when is that game you're making coming out', all that stuff"
"Oh yeah and so I told her it's releasing on the 23rd and also her phone is on the kitchen table"

[opaque sigil]

The only late game area in HK is QG and WP if you count that ig

[silver oak]

I guess Godhome would be the best, although that's more postgame

[heady jolt]

ye

[coarse leaf]

ig Ancient Basin is the endgame area of HK

[opaque sigil]

QG

Ancient Basin is midgame

[radiant wraith]

I think Queen's Garden is the last area explored by most players

[naive flax]

yup

[silver oak]

Ye that was my last area

[opaque sigil]

QG is the only area that is actually basically required to be near the end

[heady jolt]

oh yeah i forgor

[coarse leaf]

Mine was Deepnest

[silver oak]

Although I think FC was the last area on my map

[untold inlet]

Abyss was my last

[heady jolt]

maybe white palace also

[opaque sigil]

Abyss can't be the last area unless you do ending 1

[silver oak]

Since Cornifer is so hidden in FC

[untold inlet]

I think the only areas I didn't get to on my first playthrough (The Hollow Knight ending) were Kingdom's Edge, The Hive, and White Palace/Abyss

[pastel silo]

Still, I think that after the Citadel the game will branch out even more , maybe even to previous areas unlocking them further

[opaque sigil]

Or QG

[naive flax]

kingdoms edge is easy to miss

[pastel silo]

I think we are being lead to think it's the end of the game

[radiant wraith]

Standard metroidvania stuff

[untold inlet]

I'm pretty sure I went to QG

[opaque sigil]

You can't have gone to QG if you didn't do Abyss

[silver oak]

Yeah there will definitely be some backtracking after your arrival at the citadel

[untold inlet]

Ohhh wait the shade gates

[silver oak]

Wait what was that article that said SS shouldn't have backtracking

[opaque sigil]

Bad and dumb

[naive flax]

I beat dung defender before soul master on my first playthru lol

[pastel silo]

I mean even TC themselves said that some quests will make you revisit areas

[naive flax]

backtracking is fine tbh

just depends on execution

[pastel silo]

For example gathering mossberies for the druid will for sure make us to reexplore previous areas of mossy grotto

[silver oak]

I do think that MG will have more unlocked later in the game

Kinda like how Howling Cliffs was an extension of KP in some ways

[serene chasm]

every area is a sub area of MG

[silver oak]

Wait, it’s all MG?

[pastel silo]

always has been

[silver oak]

Also hi curly

[pastel silo]

btw where is Geoff living ? How many hours till his ''tomorrow morning''?

[silver oak]

I think PST

[marsh ibex]

‘Sup nerd

[silver oak]

Could be wrong tho

[coarse leaf]

Oh yeah, TGA is on Thursday, right?

[silver oak]

Don’t insult curly

[serene chasm]

TGA does take place in LA, but not sure if he lives there full time

[coarse leaf]

I will order a pizza just to see people getting no SS news at all

[pastel silo]

If SS was about to be on tga, do you think he would tease it in this trailer of his?

[coarse leaf]

Probably

Or maybe not, bcz TC wouldn't like to him spoil the game that much

[pastel silo]

He would not be spoiling the game, just it's inclusion in TGA...the same way edge teased SS

[coarse leaf]

Oh, then yeah, he probably would tease it

[pastel silo]

I mean he has been asked about it a lot so he surely realizes the hype behind it but idk whether it warrants a spot in the trailer next to all the AAA games

[heady jolt]

trailer would likely have silksong in it if silksong is gonna be there however if its not that doesn't outright mean its not gonna be there

[serene chasm]

Thanks for sticking up for me, Necro. Its ok. Ill be fine

[heady jolt]

it lowers the chance yes but it could also mean tc just wanted the surprise to be bigger

[marsh ibex]

k

[digital junco]

the game awards 2021

[civic sand]

is silksong even gonna come out

[pastel silo]

But it would still attract many viewers to hop in on Thursday

[silver oak]

So adorable

[heady jolt]

yes

[silver oak]

Yes, balls lol. Yes it will.

[civic sand]

are you sure

[pastel silo]

Lol to think that we may get our answer in a few hours

[civic sand]

WAIT SERISOITNA?LY??

dont joke about that if thats false

[heady jolt]

im in pst

[civic sand]

SAME BRUH

[serene chasm]

Im so sorry

[heady jolt]

nah i like it its a good timezone

[civic sand]

SOMEONE EXPLAIN ARE WE SERIOUSLY GETTING SS NEWS

[coarse leaf]

No, we aren't

[heady jolt]

also we get to group that other timezone thats the exact same as ours for like half of the year in arizona so we're bigger

we'd get a teaser for silksong news not actual news

[pastel silo]

I mean we saw Edge teasing silksong before announcing it officially so I don't think TC cares about prematurely teasing their content

[civic sand]

I still had no idea about this. source?!

[silver oak]

There’s a possibility there will be silksong news at TGA on the 9th

It’s not definite, so don’t get your hopes up

[civic sand]

yeah ive been having suicidal thoughts recently and ive just been thinking that if I suicide now that I wont ever get to play silksong

[civic sand]

my hopes are at an all time high

[pastel silo]

Of course, it's just funny to think that we may end up learning the truth sooner than we expected

[potent plover]

I am regretful to inform you all that unfortunately, I have made a HK-meme

[heady jolt]

sounds like smth someone against tga cult would do tbh

[potent plover]

Speaking of jokes, let's talk about the possible SS release date at TGA

[civic sand]

whats tga

[heady jolt]

the game awards

[civic sand]

btw when people were dissapointed about the nintendo direct thing, does that event even include games that are pc and switch? or just switch exclusives

[primal oriole]

it does

[heady jolt]

also now i realize the peace in this channel would go away as soon as tmr if silksong is in the tga trailer because then we know there's gonna be news there

it depends on what the content would actually be

if its just a big spoiler then ye this channel would be active for a bit but go back to normal eventually

[untold inlet]

Shadowdrop 🤡

[heady jolt]

if its a release date then this channel will never be like before

[potent plover]

I think they said if there was news they would not increase slowmo

[pastel silo]

does anyone know whether the previous Hype Trailers for tga included upcoming games aside from the nominees?

[raven minnow]

At what part of the game awards do they announce upcoming games, like does anyone know the schedule?

[primal oriole]

hype for this channel not being terrible

[primal oriole]

I think they do announcements like every 15 minutes, from what I remember, but I'm not sure

it's not like a set section or anything

iirc

[pastel silo]

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1334979810116870144?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1334979810116870144|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nintendolife.com%2Fnews%2F2020%2F12%2Fgeoff_keighley_shares_hype_trailer_for_the_game_awards_2020

This has been the hype trailer for 2020, cant tell if any games here were just nominees or new announcements as well

Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley)

I know it's been a crazy and tough year for all of us.

But this is our December.

Thursday, we will virtually gather to celebrate what games mean to us.

Here's #TheGameAwards hype trailer I personally edited.

Special thanks to @linkinpark - miss u Chester.

See u soon! ❤️ https://t.co/1oh1GLJYOc

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Twitter · Dec 4, 2020, 9:56 PM

[civic sand]

#sk-discussion when release date: "business is boomin'!"

[pastel silo]

Oh wait there is hogwarts legacy shot

So new announcements as well

[surreal owl]

What do you mean by this?

[heady jolt]

FUCK WHY IS AMONG US THERE

i saw that and almost died lmao

[digital junco]

if theres no ss at tga people freak out and cry and then obsess over the very next gaming event

if there is ss people freak out and scream and server gets muted

either way it'll be entertaining lmao

[pastel silo]

There will be a hype trailer for tga in few hours, so if SS is gonna be at tga it may appear on this trailer (I know SS appearing on tga is not definitive in the first place)

[surreal owl]

Oh interesting. Do you know where the trailer will be?

Like where to watch it?

[pastel silo]

On Geoff Keighley's twitter as well as on youtube

[surreal owl]

I see. And does this have a specific time or are we just guessing?

[raven minnow]

There are new games in that trailer I can say for certain (maybe not announcements, I don't know) but the League game in that trailer came out like a week ago

like I don't know if people knew that game was coming already

[marsh ibex]

AWESOME

[pastel silo]

He said tomorrow morning, currently it should be around 6 pm at his place

[heady jolt]

also reminder

if silksong is not in the trailer that does not outright mean it won't be there but it lowers the chance a lot

[marsh ibex]

BLIZZARD WON’T BE AT TGA

[heady jolt]

yup im in pst its 6:20

[surreal owl]

Oh okay 👌

[pastel silo]

6 to 8 pm I am still not sure where he is at currently

[raven minnow]

I mean one of their upcoming games made it into the trailer last year, but I doubt it this year since they had that Nintendo Direct

[marsh ibex]

no Geoff confirmed they won’t be there

[surreal owl]

I think it's so funny that so many people are desperate and putting hope into a hype trailer 😂 I'm not making fun; I'm part of it

[digital junco]

i would laugh so hard if leth just waited like a day before and said "oh yeah by the way guys no ss at tga"

[pastel silo]

Aside from nominations tho, right?

[raven minnow]

He says it like now

[sterile sleet]

RIP Bozo

[surreal owl]

He. wouldn't dare.

[heady jolt]

ye we would still have to wait until the actual tga to find out whats there

[surreal owl]

It's fun waiting for anything I guess

[raven minnow]

I still find it hilarious that Leth has tried and failed to get TC to release a blog post or something

[pastel silo]

Watching an event while expecting a game you're looking forward to makes the whole event exciting

[raven minnow]

I agree

[pastel silo]

That's why I didn't like Leth warning us in advance

[surreal owl]

Agree 100%

Imagine if Crowsworn was there but not Sliksong

[raven minnow]

I was kinda okay with it then, but not really now, mainly okay with it then because it seemed unlikely I guess???? (hard to put into words)

[pastel silo]

Yes this time it feels much more plausible due to the little stuff that has been going on recently...the atmosphere is on another level compared to last E3's

[raven minnow]

I mean that would be hilarious but the Crowsworn team have said their goal of late 2023was working

[digital junco]

i'm in a state where i'll get the game when it comes out, but hypothetically if it never did i wouldn't care
which is the perfect state for me

[pastel silo]

Woah there, not caring when the game comes out is understandable, but not caring whether it comes out at all?

[coarse leaf]

My opinions on Silksong release date: I think it will come out in 2023 or even 2024

[digital junco]

[pastel silo]

I would trade not being able to play any games aside TC's for 10 years ...That's how excited I am for their work ...HK was just too good for me

[opaque sigil]

Sure, that's like 4-5 years of dev, fair

[heavy magnet]

crowsworn can tide us over until silksong

[mortal bluff]

Who would win in a fight ultron or aronomiomattron

[marsh ibex]

nah screw crowsworn

[mortal bluff]

Lies

[raven minnow]

imo silksong will come out before crowsworn

[radiant wraith]

In response to an earlier message:
Among Us good

[opaque sigil]

Crowsworn is:
-Overrated
-Probably not coming out in 2023

[wet sundial]

I will perish

[coarse leaf]

Too bad!

[raven minnow]

That's your opinion

[mortal bluff]

He probably likes don’t starve more than hollowknight. He knows nothing

[opaque sigil]

and?

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, I know nothing, of course

[digital junco]

it is, indeed, his opinion, believe it or not

[coarse leaf]

It's not like I beat P5, nah, imagine doing something as foolish like that!!

[mortal bluff]

Do it with all bindings then we’ll talk

[surreal owl]

And now's about when things get contentious

[opaque sigil]

Yes, that is foolish

[radiant wraith]

Do all bindings to enjoy the 5 minute vengefly king fight

[coarse leaf]

I don't need to have all bindings in a pantheon to prove that I love the game tho

[heady iron]

speaking of crowsworn
https://fxtwitter.com/MongooseRodeo/status/1467155669614796802?t=fsms0ggzmbFjm9DvT3U_pQ&s=19

[raven minnow]

yeah I just saw that

[coarse leaf]

And yet, 2023/2024 release date just seems reasonable considering that TC have more time to put content in SS without the need to rush

[opaque sigil]

Also small team, big game, all that stuff

[radiant wraith]

Before 2030

[mortal bluff]

Who said they were rushing in the first place

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, exactly

[cunning geode]

can't wait to spend another 2 years in this hole with you lot

[digital junco]

ss 2029 😎

[radiant wraith]

Thank you, I love you too

[cunning geode]

i dont

[radiant wraith]

I do!

[brittle garnet]

it doesn't seem reasonable, it's just estimating it to be far away to seem like a "realistic" estimate

[raven minnow]

wombat needs a hug

[opaque sigil]

Not really

4-5 years is a decent chunk of time to make a game

[marsh ibex]

imagine liking hugs lmao

[gilded adder]

realistic estimate is now because I said so

[heavy magnet]

i guess if you highball it you also get to be pleasantly surprised if it comes out sooner

[mortal bluff]

Now that’s the spirit!

[serene chasm]

SS will take 27 years to come out

[radiant wraith]

2035 release and Pantheon of Pharloom with 232 bosses

[coarse leaf]

Pantheon of Pharloom

[raven minnow]

please they said they could make a boss in a week

[mortal bluff]

This message was sent in 1994

[radiant wraith]

Pharloom more like Fartloom

[mortal bluff]

Fartloom more like fartdoom

[serene chasm]

I'm impressed 4 year old me knew what discord was back then or even had the internet

[mortal bluff]

Your ancient

[digital junco]

omg doomguy cameo???

[coarse leaf]

Hey, TC likes to put a lot of content in their games, and they will probably take more time into the bosses so they don't feel rushed or something like that

[opaque sigil]

curly age reveal

[mortal bluff]

Your in your thirty’s

[opaque sigil]

SS bosses are significantly more complex if Lace is any indication, they could take more time to make. And even if they did take only a week each there are a lot of other things that go into the game

[serene chasm]

Yes. I'm 31

[raven minnow]

I'm just quoting that they said they could make a boss, mechanics, lore, and art in a bout a week

[mortal bluff]

They have more experience and a new coder

[opaque sigil]

Like 50 bosses at one per week is a year of development on bosses alone

[raven minnow]

and that was for silksong

[mortal bluff]

Please don’t turn to dust yet

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, but in HK, some bosses felt a little rushed

[opaque sigil]

TL was a joke

[civic sand]

sddszsdszsz

[raven minnow]

Yeah no I agree that some of those bosses would definitely feel a little rushed

[digital junco]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-candles-oogway-gif-21272078

[civic sand]

massive moss charger, flukemarm, and every dream warrior has entered the chat

[serene chasm]

I rather have less bosses but them all be unique and fun fights then have more and have lame ones like mmc

[raven minnow]

yeah me too Im just quoting what they said

[opaque sigil]

mmc

[pastel silo]

Massive moss charger was actually an okay boss considering you fight him with only a dash as an upgrade

[coarse leaf]

[civic sand]

bruh it had two attacks. they could have made it more fun without making it too hard

[coarse leaf]

And Flukemarm is actually difficult with low gear

[digital junco]

mmc is the most detailed and unique boss wdym

[pastel silo]

No I meant that you typically stumble into him after getting the dash

[opaque sigil]

Not by virtue of being a hard boss, mind

[civic sand]

also moss charger shouldt take knockback. its a bad design choice

[pastel silo]

So at the stage of the game where he is supposed to be fought he may prove quite difficult for new players

You have to utilize pogoing to effectively beat him

[civic sand]

it should be the boss that teaches you to pogo.

[pastel silo]

which is not always easy for beginners

[serene chasm]

The game really should have taught po going better in the first place.

[opaque sigil]

I mean tbf it's not super hard to work out

[civic sand]

I mean, I figured it out by getting fury the first time

[digital junco]

ok really tho i consider pale lurker as more of a "boss" that mmc

[opaque sigil]

It's not like a more formal or robust tutorial was sorely needed

[civic sand]

mms should be a boss because it only appears once. soul warriors can be fought infinite times because of the c ollo

[pastel silo]

I disagree, the worms (forgot the name) and the grub in FC that is behind spiky pilliars are a nice way to indirectly show the player that you can pogo of stuff with nail

[coarse leaf]

Tbf, 1/3 of HK bosses could be easily reworked imo

[opaque sigil]

Probably more

But most things could be reworked

[coarse leaf]

I mean, the biggest issue that I had with HK, which was the charm system, is getting reworked in SS, so that's good

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that was kinda a trainwreck

[digital junco]

they could be but i dont think they should at this point

[pastel silo]

The knight had a very limited kit in early to mid game , you can't expect the bosses of those areas to be super complex and fleshy like the late game ones

[opaque sigil]

Not at this point, no

[raven minnow]

I disagree but I want to know your take, why didn't you like it?

[coarse leaf]

Simple, the charm system wasn't balanced at all

[opaque sigil]

Shoddy balance and an absurdly dominant meta that prioritized stat boosts

[raven minnow]

Yeah but its possible, evidenced by the false knight

[opaque sigil]

Compared to a set of like 5 charms pretty much all others are useless or have very situational viability

[raven minnow]

Ok fair, fair, I enjoyed it but sure

[civic sand]

yeah false knight is a REALLY good first boss

also, I have used every charm at least once. I dont think the charm system is flawed

[opaque sigil]

It's fine until you realize that like 75%+ of charms are total wastes of time

[bronze monolith]

Took me ages to find out you can actually escape False Knight if you want.

[serene chasm]

I think most people dont realize that.

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it's not the clearest

[civic sand]

I think its more of an easter egg

[coarse leaf]

Most people normally knows about that when watching a speedrun of HK tho

[opaque sigil]

tbh idk why that's even a thing since you'd have to fight FK again anyways to proceed on the "normal" path

[raven minnow]

I think unbalanced stuff is fine if the game is singleplayer, because you can use other stuff and don't feel as underpowered, I think that's why I liked the system

[pastel silo]

Sure but they also wanted diversity among bosses, thus not making every boss flashy and fast like hornet or mantis lords, which are usually the ones people enjoy the most but I think too much of that would not be as exciting

[civic sand]

how? all you need is vengeful spirit

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, but who would use Joni's Blessing instead of Shaman Stone for example?

[opaque sigil]

city crest

[civic sand]

and that can be obtained without killing false knight

[coarse leaf]

Or even use Thorns instead of Mark of Pride?

[opaque sigil]

You can't get the city crest without killing FK

[raven minnow]

Me since I never used spells during my first playthrough (I guess except from dive to open stuff up)

[coarse leaf]

subjectively, the charm system can be good in some cases but objectively its pretty unbalanced

[raven minnow]

That true but most people find thorns way before the mark

[civic sand]

its good in some situations

[opaque sigil]

Thorns are actively harmful

[civic sand]

like boss fights where you cant heal anyways

[coarse leaf]

But like, Abyss Shriek does 120 dmg with Shaman Stone

[opaque sigil]

You'd be better with nothing than thorns

[civic sand]

why? the only issue I have with it is that I cant dash right after being hit

[coarse leaf]

And like, Joni removes the ability to heal as well, which is pretty bad

oh boy get ready

[raven minnow]

I feel like all the better charms are found later (like quick slash, unbreakable strength, kind of mark of pride, not including shaman stone since beginning players might not want to use their precious healing resource), so that also helps

[opaque sigil]

You could do as much damage with a single nail strike and the thorns lock you in place to get hit again

[serene chasm]

Stuff like Thorns is ok if you have nothing else and are just filling a slot, but a lot of those kinds of charms get replaced pretty quickly

[opaque sigil]

Thorns aren't good slot filler material

[raven minnow]

If you're getting hit you're not able to hit back

[craggy turtle]

i didn't use spells a lot at the beginning of the game since i needed soul to heal, but spells definitely become better to use in later game

[coarse leaf]

But it reduces your i-frames

[raven minnow]

worse players like thorns

[opaque sigil]

That's not true, you can hit during the iframes and then dodge away

[serene chasm]

Im sure theyve helped someone out

[pastel silo]

For SS in the TGA hype trailer?

[opaque sigil]

Thorns are only causing them problems

[raven minnow]

Less good people don't do that

[opaque sigil]

Thorns only are useful if you're surrounded by several enemies that would be killed in one hit anyways

[raven minnow]

If the worse players can't get a hit in when they get hit, they might as well have a charm that does a worse job for them

[random fox]

Thorns is not a bad charm, ill always stand by this

[opaque sigil]

It's a bad habit

[raven minnow]

soooooooo

[craggy turtle]

thorns seems decent, but there are other 1 notch charms that i'd prefer way more than thorns like glory and grubsong

[opaque sigil]

Using thorns like that is only preventing a player from learning how to actually fight

[civic sand]

you know whats the worst habit? dashmaster. you cant get away from that once you equip it

[raven minnow]

you could argue using any charm is a bad habit since it makes you stronger in some way

[split tide]

thorns is only useful if you're surrounded by like 8 enemies

[coarse leaf]

Dashmaster it's very situational imo

[opaque sigil]

With negligible hp

[coarse leaf]

Like, nobody really uses it for fighting

[civic sand]

its not usually good for bossfights except for soul master/tyrant

[split tide]

yeah that too

[opaque sigil]

Thorns have no potential later on

[random fox]

Yea, idk why ppl make it out to be bad, its just that other 2 notch charms are rly good

[coarse leaf]

Thorns is a 1 notch charm

[craggy turtle]

only reason I have ever used dash was when i was super bad at traitor lord and needed to use sharp shadow

[coarse leaf]

after early game there was only 1 time i willingly put on thorns

[split tide]

for bosses and stuff thorns is strictly worse than slashing out once with your nail

[opaque sigil]

Grubsong better

[raven minnow]

I know, but in early game it's good to introduce players with less notches into the game. I'm not saying it's a good charm I'm saying it's good for worse players

sorry wrong person

[serene chasm]

Any charm that doesnt help me hit harder, faster, or further is garbage

[split tide]

it doesn't really help worse players that much either though

[coarse leaf]

Steady Body, Grubsong, NMG, even Stalwart Shell is better

[random fox]

I mean most charms dont have any potential once u got strenght shaman qs and mop

[coarse leaf]

thats 2 notches

[opaque sigil]

Grubsong is better for novices since it doesn't actively hurt them and the soul is useful much moreso than the trivial damage from thorns

[raven minnow]

Literally everyone gets grubsong after thorns unless you missed the room

[civic sand]

steady body sucks

[split tide]

since in most cases it'll be worse than the extra iframes you get from not using thorns

[craggy turtle]

i like grubsong because it's just free soul for so cheap and lets you recover better in fights where you don't get a lot of hits

[split tide]

grubsong is a much better crutch for new players

[opaque sigil]

Besides the point

[civic sand]

people were raving about how good it is against bosses that take knockback but its just so bad imo

[bronze monolith]

I like Shape of Unn. It helped a lot against Nightmare King Grimm, Pure Vessel, Absolute Radiance and Grey Prince Zote.

[craggy turtle]

steady body is situational but really good in its situations

[coarse leaf]

steady body is only worth it with quick slash
without quick slash its kinda meh

[split tide]

steady body is good only if you can actually use it to its full potential

[opaque sigil]

sbody is something that you can only really use if you're very good at the game and have qslash

[craggy turtle]

well yeah you need quick slash

[coarse leaf]

Shape of Unn is good, but very situational as well

[opaque sigil]

If you aren't very good at the game sbody is a waste of time

[split tide]

otherwise you may as well just ditch it for something like NMG or grubsong

[craggy turtle]

otherwise that's like having glory with no nail arts

[civic sand]

whats NMG

[serene chasm]

Playing randomizer runs can give you a good apprectiation for the less used charms

[craggy turtle]

nailmaster's glory

[bronze monolith]

I've literally only ever used Heavy Blow against radiant Oblobbles.

[raven minnow]

I agree grubsong is way better, like the best one notch charm unless you're a god and don't get hit or are doing radiant fights, I'm just saying thorns has it's uses

[craggy turtle]

reduces charge time of nail arts to .5s

[split tide]

thing is thorns doesn't really have it's uses

[random fox]

It does tho

[opaque sigil]

Thorn has no uses except very situationally where you are facing several superlatively weak enemies

[coarse leaf]

thorns lets you cheese EO to some extent so

[random fox]

It helps alot with early game enemies

[split tide]

like where; you're almost always just better off slashing

[opaque sigil]

Only if you could one shot them anyways

[raven minnow]

It's also good for worse early game players who have like no notches or charms

[split tide]

or even repositioning yourself with the extra iframes

[craggy turtle]

why use thorns when you can use wayward compass !!!!

[opaque sigil]

Thorns does garbage damage

[raven minnow]

An early player might not be able to do that

[opaque sigil]

If the argument is "well it's kinda better than nothing" that's a feeble stance

[coarse leaf]

Thorns does like, 1 nail dmg and that's it

[raven minnow]

why?

[opaque sigil]

Because it's a bad charm

[split tide]

like early on I'd end up repositioning myself

[raven minnow]

ok so?

[opaque sigil]

Negligible benefits, massive potential cost

[split tide]

better use of the iframes too

[serene chasm]

No one is using thorns to do more damage. Its a charm for people that get hit a lot. Most players will switch it out once they learn the game better.

[raven minnow]

Thank you

[random fox]

U know, u still fight enemies with ur nail if u got thorns on? Its not like once u equip thorns thats ur damage from now on

[opaque sigil]

Thorns is part of the reason those people are getting hit a lot

[split tide]

the main problem with thorns is that it actually works against your iframes, so it's arguably worse than nothing

like it actually lowers your iframes

[opaque sigil]

And freezes you during them

You can get stuck taking damage over and over again

[raven minnow]

no, it's just because they don't understand the patterns as well, unless you're against like a super fast boss and have that equiped

[craggy turtle]

thorns buff where you send out strong void tendrils if you have void heart!

[serene chasm]

You make it sound like the people who equip thorns are just jumping into the enemies hoping they die.

[coarse leaf]

it would be cool if it did

[split tide]

like the fact that you can't reposition yourself while iframes are ticking down makes it worse than equipping nothing in many situations

[opaque sigil]

Reduces iframes and freezes you during them. This means it is hard if not impossible to dodge some attacks that would otherwise be trivial

[random fox]

Yeah its like once u got thorns on ur nail gets removed

[pastel silo]

New players don't equip thorns to cheese out extra damage, they equip it to cover up for their mistakes

[raven minnow]

again: worse players aren't good at that yet

[opaque sigil]

Have you read a single message I've sent on the matter

[serene chasm]

Thorn run only. I want to see it

[split tide]

so worse players are supposed to just learn to sit and tank?

[opaque sigil]

That's not an argument. That's like saying oh maybe you can't jump so well so you'd better just not try

[raven minnow]

have you ever used thorns in early game when you weren't good at the game? if you were never terrible at the game or didn't use it unitl later, I don't think you can really understand the benefit to worse players

[coarse leaf]

Ok, anyways, as I was saying, HK charm system is generally broken and unbalanced

[split tide]

If you get punished in a game you're supposed to learn to not do it

[opaque sigil]

Also if you literally are not capable of attacking enemies maybe the game isn't for you

[random fox]

Litteraly noones using thorns and just jumping on bosses, its a charm for extra damage when u get hit, its not ur main damage

[craggy turtle]

you're too late. thorns have consumed this channel.

[coarse leaf]

Even if you think that some charms are underrated and stuff, you would just use charms like Quick Slash and Shaman Stone anyways

[split tide]

like I don't know about you, but whenever I got hit my first instinct was to just run the fuck away

[opaque sigil]

I did. They sucked big time. I took a bunch of stupid damage that would otherwise have been easy to avoid. I removed the charm

[opaque sigil]

Straw man

[coarse leaf]

i took it off because its annoying

[split tide]

part of the problem with thorns admittedly is that the game doesn't tell you that it's reducing the amount of time you can reposition yourself with iframes

[raven minnow]

you can't prove that

[opaque sigil]

The argument isn't that thorns are bad dps (though they are terrible damage) it's that they make you take damage

[split tide]

if the thorns animation didn't tick down the iframe counter then it'd be worth it as an early charm

[opaque sigil]

Bruh

[split tide]

but as it is it's arguably worse than equipping nothing

[opaque sigil]

You can't prove shit either lmao

[coarse leaf]

I can prove one thing: People wouldn't use Thorns at all for post-game stuff

[random fox]

I personaly never noticed the reduced iframes and i used it for a while early game

[raven minnow]

This I agree with

[split tide]

like thorns isn't even a crutch at this point

[opaque sigil]

at least ab and I are making a realistic argument based on the properties of the charm and not just saying "oh but maybe it could be good for some people"

[split tide]

it's just nerfing your knight half the time

[glossy gazelle]

Imagine using Thorns of Agony

[raven minnow]

I never said any facts apart from that thorns are better than nothing for worse players

[glossy gazelle]

That charm is so terrible

[opaque sigil]

Except they are hazardous to the user

[split tide]

and our argument is that it's actually worse than nothing for worse players

[raven minnow]

They are hazardous to the user who is fighting faster enemies

[coarse leaf]

I mean, there's just better filler charms when doing Pantheons for example

[opaque sigil]

They are hazardous to the user fighting enemies that can do damage

[raven minnow]

Yes but you haven't proved that in any way

[coarse leaf]

But still, they are just fillers and nothing else

[random fox]

What fast enemies r u fighting early game

[split tide]

like even in a vacuum where thorns is literally the first charm you pick up in a randomizer or something, it's worse

[glossy gazelle]

Okay why on earth of all charms to use would you go with Thorns of Agony on Pantheons

[pastel silo]

New players don't go like:'' Oh Imma equip thorns and use it instead of slashing my nail'' , they use it because it's a good way to cover up for their mistakes and gain at least something small out of them getting hit a bit more

[opaque sigil]

Reduces iframes and freezes you during them. This means it is hard if not impossible to dodge some attacks that would otherwise be trivial
This is the evidence for why thorns is harmful

Because that's how it works

[split tide]

I have; I have brought up the fact that it ticks down the iframe animation, making you have less time to reposition yourself during your iframes

that's my main discussion point; have you not read my messages at all

[coarse leaf]

Exactly, that's why HK charms system are broken, bcz most of the charms are basically useless in endgame

[opaque sigil]

The inherent mechanisms of the charm are harmful

[opaque sigil]

Clearly they aren't actually reading messages

[raven minnow]

that's not evidence that's an opinion that was "backed up" by you playing the game, and maybe you learned the enemy pattern instead of taking off the charm, you gave no proof

[glossy gazelle]

||also just curious why are we talking thorns of agony in #sk-discussion ||

[opaque sigil]

The proof is the mechanisms of the charm, not my personal experience

[glossy gazelle]

Epic format fail

[raven minnow]

That is true for later game players, you might have run away, other early game players may have been more gung ho about going in fighting

[split tide]

when I first played the game, my first instinct was to run the fuck away from enemies when I got hit, and trust me I was pretty trash initially; I died so many times in crossroads

[opaque sigil]

The charm factually reduces your ability to avoid subsequent attacks

By reducing your iframes and movement

[raven minnow]

okay so when you first played the game: that was not the same for me

[opaque sigil]

Prove it

[coarse leaf]

Bcz we were discussing about how some stuff in HK felt a little more rushed and that TC would take more time on those things in SS

[split tide]

you are literallly arguing from anecdotal evidence at this point anyways

[random fox]

Not everyone runs away after taking 1hit tho, most ppl dont atleast

[raven minnow]

again that is an experience not everyone has

[opaque sigil]

[split tide]

it's not much of an argument honestly

[opaque sigil]

The sheer hypocrisy lmao