#sk-discussion
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Im on a hunger strike until we get SS
rip

Why would a deepnest creature not tied with the weavers be related to Pharloom?
Herrah’s not a weaver, and most weaver stuff is in the den

What?
Silksong Theory: The Roach from Wall-E is the main antagonist. Evidence? Well theorists I’m glad you asked!
cue game theory intro
Think we'll get another christmas update?
My hype has been dwindling down for a bit now. Maybe that's a good thing tho
I wonder if Game Theory will cover Silksong or if his last foray into the franchise scared him off
Maybe he’ll give Silksong to the pope
I hope he doesn't
we're still dealing with the ramifications of that video over in #hk-lore
wdym
sometimes people come in and ask if the knight is the pale king and we gotta do the whole spiel of telling them it's not and them arguing at us
I mean it isn't that common 
idk it's common enough 
A number of those are sarcastic/people saying it isn't true
although that actually just takes into account any message that mentions the knight and the pale king
We live in a society
Yeah but what you search that there also a lot of « not » in the sentence that the search tool still show you
since discord search function doesn't like articles and basic verbs
the bottom one mentions PK and has the knight in it, I see nothing wrong
Now sure if discord search tool can actually read text like that tho so maybe the person who posted the meme says it under the meme
it can’t read the text
My guess is it's in the image name
Yeah that
As in the words hollow knight
Or more operatively "knight"

Yes I checked and there no text with the gif so it gotta be in the gif link
Doesn’t really matter anyways
how dare you make a joke Necro 😡
no memeing in lore
Yes
I won't tell you




I guessed as much 

It's not as bad as it looks
^^^^^
Yeah but what’s worse The Knight being the Pale King or Sans being Ness?
Sans being the pale king
The knight is ness
I know what I must do
tess*
You have so much to live for
isn't beasts weavers?
No
but that doesn't prove that beasts may also came from Pharloom
No
beasts are mentioned in Silksong's poem
The concept of beasts is universal.
"Beast" is a title given to Herrah, it's not her species
Like monomon the teacher or lurien the watcher
Wait so there isn’t a race of teachers
They’re creepy and they’re kooky
...did you assume there was one?
if its a title, then there's a another "beast" in Pharloom then?
How else do they populate schools
I mean the Bell Beast is already there
I thought spiders are called "beasts" if its a universal title
Nope
They're sneaky and they're spooky
that includes the weavers
Just Herrah
so Herrah is the only beast?
yes
then why beast was also mentioned in Silksong's poem?
are Pharloom citizens aware of Herrah?
Only the weavers would be
They’re always a bit looky
Well the weavers and anybody they told about her
There it is
Featuring: Lurien, Watcher Knight, Watcher Knight, Watcher Knight, Watcher Knight, Watcher Knight, and Chandelier Knight!
so that means Silksong is sequel?
Probably
Most likely
It is probable
It’d be weird if Hornet left and returned for a bit
Can't confirm but more evidence points to sequel than prequel
its possible tho
True
It kinda isn't
Just don't be a midquelist
Truen’t
like what happened in Silksong may have inspired Hornet to protect Hallownest or something
:/
There isn't enough time between the weavers leaving Hallownest and HK starting to accommodate SS being a prequel
Maybe it’s a really short game
Just by how many people are in this community now, there's probably some people who are truly, unironically midquelists
but still, we're not sure if the Weavers indeed go back to Pharloom
We are
And that makes me sad
Like within the same timeframe?
Silken charm containing a song of farewell, left by the Weavers who departed Hallownest for their old home.
proof?
.
And there was one weaver left, so you can assume it was recent
one
so the Trilobite isn't connected to Pharloom then
No, likely not
but why did Hornet went to Pharloom though?
She didn't have a choice
Like maybe void just is a huge expanse underground?
so this confirms that the weavers were at least living in silksong and if they were then they're either here during silksong or it's their "old home" and they're also here during silksong
what choice? why not stay in Hallownest
Hornet was captured by the citadel caste
Kidnapped
How they overpowered her is a mystery that will only be revealed on release
They want her special silk
like she couldn't get captured if she stayed in Hallownest
She could
They could’ve went to Hallownest
she's more likely wondered outside Hallownest
Not really
It’d be weird if she did
Hornet has the geographical advantage in Hallownest she couldn't get captured easily
The caste members traversed the wastes there's no reason to assume she came to them in any capacity
She’s kind of a sworn protector
They were specifically equipped to capture her
I think after DNM she would have most likely wanted to protect the remnants of Hallownest post-radiance
silksong is cool
she has nothing to protect after the events of Hollow Knight
Elderbug.
And post EtV, same thing probably
She has as much cause to protect Hallownest as she ever did
Killing looters and whatnot
She was going to protect Tiso
Honestly with the radiance gone, she has more to protect
But he died from being stupid
Dunno dude, keeping watch and preserving the old kingdom she was born in sounds like a pretty decent reason for me
Now Hallownest could, and it's a stretch, but it could begin to support a population of sentient bugs again
Well it always did but there would be more room to grow
so uh what are we talking about rn
like giving her combat skills she wouldn't get easily captured
But she was
like i assume the things shell protect them from are looters and vandalizers
also sorry for interrupting
So after the Pale King died what kept the remaining bugs intelligent?
His beacon stuck around
Ah
If any weavers remained, or any traitors, they might have not been dead, just infected. Same with other bugs like Myla.
The thing elevating the minds of some bugs is still there even after he's dead
@worthy bridge Hornet getting captured by the cultist and her reason to go back to Hallownest or some shit
ah
Good for them. So I suppose that aspect of hallownest is safe
yeah same thought
well probably to help new vessels to seal the radiance, but idk anything if ss is after dream no more ending
Silksong is most likely a prequel
We don't really know but the infection would probably just dissapate, if the un-infected bugs would be cured or just die after that we don't know
Yeah, although at this point a large number of the survivors didn't need the beacon in the first place
HK's ending has little regards on what could happen in Silksong
If THK is alive post EtV, we can assume things that aren’t husks are probably going to be alive
because it is in Silksongs timeframe where outside bugs trying to explore Hallownest
Well THK was wayyy more powerful than the average bug
Why not husks? also what's EtV
THK is... not an ordinary case
like visitors
Embrace the Void and husks are, uh, dead
because no one will guard their paths
Fair
wait how do you get that
What if the husk was happily mining crystals not long before
Godseeker ending
Typically infection will mess up your innards and stuff, but THK doesn't have innards to be messed up
Like for example???
Beat the 5th pantheon
bruh
THK boss fight in SS? 
Ikr it’s so easy
It depends on whether they're a reanimated corpse or not
Yeah I haven't done it either 
also Hornet's void
theyre seperate kingdoms, it doesnt change the fact that at the end Hornet gets captured anyway
and then there's the lore locked behind beating EVERY BOSS IN RADIANT DIFFICULTY
just a little bit
Sadness
it's like 1 line of text
But at least there’s a chance
they can simply make things vague and itll pass of as a sequel without going through hoops
inb4 Sealed Siblings
TC is no stranger to vagueness
They just crack that egg open
They've already done enough to allow all endings to be compatible 
except sealed siblings
tasty 
How's it going silkpals
Including sealed siblings
Aaand here we go
Hornet is in black egg, but the seal is sealed by hornet
Yum yum
Seal breaking butterflies
Just crack it with a big hammer
w h a t
we're
struggling
TC made a big show of demonstrating seal breaking techniques
Mhyea
See everything from the opening cutscene to the first boss to deep into the docks, where no stream has gone before, in this live demonstration at E3 2019. What makes Hornet her own hero? Wait and see!
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#Silksong #NintendoSwitch #E32019
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V...
Yeah, ||your mother|| is one of them
I though seals of binding were inpenetrable.
As usual.

also i assume the seal was made with the help of the weavers before they fucked off, which means they can always connect them as the reason they can break it again
It happens in the first minute of silksong 
huh
Not if you need to progress the plot
Nothing's impenetrable with the right techniques
Only about 13-14 days now until TGA!
You know, waiting, waiting... and waiting, it's our daily thing!
Yeah
k good
no, it's all a dream....
Unless they’ve jebaited us
Nah, SS isn't a sequel or either a prequel to HK
oh no

Not narratively, ig 
Yes
kinda
Silksong is the sequel to Hollow Knight, regardless of when it takes place in the HK timeline
Pale King says the truth, but in a bad way!
one of the kp lore tablets say hallownest is the only civilisation, but farloom (pharloom?) exists
Not if they send the game back in time
also i hate prequels in general because i really like the idea of the world progressing past the main game's story, cuz character development and the open endedness
Yeah that one's just propaganda
propaganda 
I would've said that ss is pre-hk since hallownest (hn) is the last civilsation, but pale king is a liar
What about spin-offs tho?
i just like the idea of "what will hornet do now" vs to "we know shes going back to hallownest anyway"
There were other civilizations within the region of Hallownest 
at the same time makes you think whats happening to hallownest while ss is taking place
yeah having a defined start gives you much more freedom then a defined end
Like, Zote the Knight
or
Quirrel: The New Ghost
Fungus Amogus
I wish Leth could say something about TGA 
I mean in some endings I could see her returning to Hallownest anyways, if she doesn't develop a compelling reason to stick around
Whaaat when
wait
no wait nvidia leak nv,
I'm optimistic, but I think it could rebound. Not to it's former glory at all, but you know, people moving into the city again, rebuilding certain areas, etc.
what ending does ss take place after
no words about TGA yeah
Yeah I don't think he's addressed TGA hype
all of them
idk what TGA is either
What would any remaining bees even do
The Game Awards
ah
He just made a joke about TGA
Be sad I guess
but it's a prequel
But didn't really commented something about SS, so 
no
we've already spent 20 minutes on this
That's too long to spend on prequel discussion
But what is a midquel
19 minutes too long
Hive's kinda screwed tbh
Tragic
I mean, how are we going to discover if it is a sequel or a prequel if the game didn't even release? 
The bees honestly seemed fine under the radiance
But yeah now that she's dead who knows what the hell will happen
I think the console gamers definitely outweighed the pc gamers in the TGA nominations
We already have a new queen in Silksong 

the duality of man

ok
if we assume ss is post-radiance ending
then that means that farloom hates hornet
idk might be helpful
- we can't and 2) why
It isn't after any specific ending
Just very stringy
Infection was localized to Hallownest
Hornet probably wants to halt string production which is vital to their way of life
there's three hk endings and a godseeker ending
Ok I mean
That's not a bad assumption
But there's probably more to it
is there a lifeblood ending?
Embrace the Void has 2 versions
Depending on whether you gave godseeker the delicate flower or not
For the purposes of SS there may as well just be one ending 
oh no I'm not going through cot with flower
and trying to dodge THAT thing in the cot junk pit shortcut is pain
I don't think so, Shade lord escaping or not would probably effect a lot
should I beat p5 before talking here so I know what this is
hold on
can someone link me to an ss trailer
I need to look for delicate flowers in it
It’d be funny if they also showed Elder Bug disappearing if you gave him the flower
Nah, having multiple endings seems like a thing that TC would do in every game they make 
One ending of HK, I meant
Why don't we start figuring out mechanics? Like hornets spells
Oh 
Because they're all functionally equivalent
But like, the 4 other endings doesn't exists if you don't get them 
so if I give hk a flower do I get 3 more endings
you ok?
yes, but if I give hk a flower do I get 3 more
Regardless is what happens at the end of the game, we know that Hornet is captured by the time silksong starts.
true
So yes, all endings are effectively the same
unless tc just completely changes their direction and has the game take place in hn
I mean, Sealed Siblings exists, but tbh, TC will just make SS canon to the endings where she doesn't die 
Sealed Siblings isn't an issue 
But they say poopyhead because this is a kid friendly game
Repent
GUYS
ok this probably means nothing but the butterfly appears to be radiating silk
wait a second
ok actual inference here: farloom hates hornet, which means they probably hate the pale king/herrah (who is fine with the pale king).
wait is it spelled farloom or pharloom
Pharloom
lol
Fairlimb
what was it
Fareclimb
Carnival Uprising
Pharloom is secretly the Carnival Uprising confirmed?!?!?!?
Startling discovery shocks even the radiance NO CLICKBAIT AT 3AM
what have i done

Ha no
We’re not worthy
It’s fair until you kill the last judge 
Murdering a judge while court is in session is generally frowned upon
guys: pharloom
farloom
farloin
farlion
farlimb
fareclimb
Carnival Uprising
Pharloom
Fatlunch
Sandvich
Carnival game just like that one cup head boss, therefore, silksong = delicious last course
Coincidence?
i see we have slightly different opinions
I have reason to believe silksong releases today
you have reason to believe silksong releases today
Indeed
Is ss a prequel? I cant remember
Hope that Silksong will have more info in Nintendo Indie World this time 
We aren’t sure
Ok thanks
Sequel (and may be prequel too...)
Edge Magazine said it's a sequel
i think they mean it as its their thrid second game, not necessarly that it comes after in the story
what is MH
Monster Hunter
also will TGA be only 1 day?
MH Sunbreak next summer
wish they announce MH World 2
i recon there is more likely to be info abt silksong in a direct vs in an indie showcase and I am basing that off nothing
There’s a December indie direct?
what
Didn't Leth once said they had no special agreement with Nintendo ? if so why would they reveal silksong info in a Nintendo direct rather than on their own terms ? edit : it was only about exclusivity, nevermind
Anyone else able to nominate silksong for game awards on steam?
Just out of curiosity, how much do you guys know about Silksong?
or is it just kept under wraps?
we have a trailer, 3 blog posts, and an magazine article
do you have a link to the magazine article?
if you want all info we know as of now, check the pins for the google doc with SS info
cheers guys, i appreciate it
is that even allowed
i got the link now so no worries lol
yes, it has almost been a eyar since edge...
so long.. so starved...
almost a whole year without news....
it wasn't THAT bad, wasn't it?
let's make it two then 
I should reread EDGE
Actually not two, let's make it three!
it's okay, no 'need' to
does it count as not getting news if they release without telling us
they know something we don't and that scares me
well they're wrong so don't worry?
I have reason to believe they're making it up for funnies
Maybe Silksong's map will 2x bigger than HK (I think)
it ´will be bigger
i have reason to believe hollow knight will finally release today
yes. bigger, deeper. taller.
i mean they said that part of the reason silksong was made was because hornet's moveset made the HK map feel cramped right?
maybe many ideas were removed from HK will be used in SS (Snail, Spider, Bone Forest...)
WOAH there, buddy
let's not get TOO excited now, shall we?
yea qassim. Meant ot be dlc, but then like. SHit, too tall. and then domino'd to a whole game
bone chimney
yeah, let's wait till February 2022
i mean we'll need to wait longer if it takes longer
2 games I'm looking forward are SS & Zelda BOTW 2
imagine making an entirely new game just because the knight is a manlet
I will piss my ass if BOTW 2 isn't good
loved the first game
i will shit my piss if it sucks
Still not finish 112% (Nightmare King Grimm & Pantheon of the Knight)
cute stand
i will be somewhat disappointed if it isnt good
that's why people need to stop expecting the most earth shattering experience
cant believe team cherry isnt giving ANY info on botw2, really reggie? step it up
Guys what u think
Will team cherry give an update about hk ss on new years eve
nah
No
nah
Well they should
nah
yeah i pretty much am expecting it not to have anywhere near the same impact the first botw had on me, hopefully still good tho
last year was edge, january magazine. No reason for them to hit it on newyear
it is my prediction that team cherry will soon announce that SS was a collective fever dream
maybe before the year is out, maybe a little after
What about the nvidia leak
nvidia leak?
nvidia leak is absolute nothing
February it was right?
nah, we'll get it at tga
nvidia leak is like the Void from HK had babies with the Nobodies from KH and it was raised by my dad- the perfect storm of nothing
i very much hope so
with priority release SS for PC & Switch, I belive they will give more info soon
interesting
@formal karma lol
really appreciate team cherry having an analogue for my father with the pale king
oh god oh fuck i didnt mean to make it serious
my dad is alive, he is just an absentee peice of crap
welll explain urself!
i am going to leave now]

welp, not likely
nah, now we have the fleas
we already know the answer to those questions
and why is it the human condition to want more of what we already have?
let's get ALL NEW lore from SS....
Any silksomg news?
i dont think so
Let's discuss tools
wait you use bebe hornet as a tool? i guess the horns are kinda pointy but still
fork
ss is not coming out
...today

ping mods next time 
yes
aight
Unique is very pingable
yeah i never know if its worth pinging or not, i guess for something like that its fine 
Yeah I mean if someone is being cringe, it's their responsibility to un-cringe the situation
I mean it was literal nsfw
where is leth
Leth for DSSN?

yea i want
Eventually you will get the whole server pop

Leth? I believe he went to Wendy’s
he must be really enjoying his time there for 9 days 
It must've been a bloody good breakfast
No way it's @marsh ibex from DSSN 
shut up you eat egg mcmuffins
Holy shit it's @marsh ibex

We are in the presence of royalty
what, the guy from DSSN?
omg 
wait omg its the guy from DSSN 
i totally didnt made the same exact joke not even one day ago 
guys look!
wait actually its barely more than one day ago
It's ok, Daily SilkSong News has been making the same joke every day for almost a year
one day it wont be a joke
one day we will see that green "yes" on the thumbnail and ask ourself if we didnt go crazy
and we would have most likely did go crazy, but still eventually we'll get news, even if its a release date in 3 years 
3 years seems a bit optimistic
the release date annoucement doesnt have to be close to the release date
it could be annouced in 3 years and they will say "welp we're not even close to be done wait another 5 years 
!wiki Sharpe
TC said they will announce a release date when they know they can do it so yes, it will be close
whip
One Backer boss in particular has become a major rival character to Hornet, a mysterious Assassin Bug submitted by Jaspal Boodram. Jaspal’s assassin uses its proboscis as both a blade and a whip
blade and a whip
0/10
it's also his nose
and retractable
wait..... what
yes
the real whip swords are those plastic swords sold at medieval fairs that just wiggle around when you shake them
i literally kinda predicted it even if that gif was aleary out i totally forgot about it and said "imagine they use that nose as a weapon" 
They could also announce the release date to be in 2 weeks, like Nintendo did with the latest Paper Mario
But maybe that’s a bit too optimistic
whats the boss called that was added via make a wish
That’s also what they did with Hollow Knight so it’s likely
tools.
Your talking about the lion thing fondation with Seth?
Forgot the name but the caracthere is Seth, who will be both a boss and an NPC, seems pretty late game
thats cool
Rest In Peace Seth Goldman

Would you rather be haunted or infected?
And by haunted, I mean whatever affliction is going down in Pharloom.
Haunted
Si
The infected get weird growths so probably the former
freee orange juice
But you can’t give free orange juice to your friends.
Depends on how bad haunting is but it'd have to be pretty damn bad
do you get free orange juice if you are infected
Meh, who says I have friends? maybe the dude who's haunting me will be my friend.
You get a free puppet show
ok i prefer being jaunted
I want orange juice
Would you drink your own oj
i would.
Gross
Nah, that's gross.
anything for the free orange juice
You’re gross
No I’m haunted
I wouldn’t even need a cup, just cry a little and free OJ.

Haunted don’t get to let out a sick scream whenever they want.
be jaunted instead
hhhhaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaahhhhuhhhhhhhhhhhh
Infected don't have a best friend haunting them
i hope i get a title card when they encounter me getting jaunted
Imagine I’m dying of old age, surrounded by my family, and when I die, a huge Radiance scream comes out along with a mask shard.
so you're brooding mawlek
I want to go out like dung defender
No wait, who’s this sing defender?
he defends sing
He’s a famous warrior that uses the power of autocorrect to disorient his foes
.
A H
A H
A H
A H
Ah I assumed you wanted to go out writhing in your own filth
Well, that’s a given
Fair
I’d just also like it if I went team rocket mode
To the sky?
GOOOD MORNING
Sooo hornetsong has new updates...
1.flying moss enemies added...
2.weaver design door easter eggs added...
3.New musica
4.DAVE
Dave?

I see
Dave
Here you go
thanks elderbug
you guys realize that infection tastes horrible right
gruzzer milk
before slurp
after slurp
So true
that does not look safe
How do you know
Pizza time?
It could taste sweet and silly and yummylicious
I imagine it’s similar to megaspheres.
Which taste like sludge
A thick orange mist fills these walking corpses. It has a sweet, sickly taste to it. I find it foul. After you kill these creatures, I suggest you do not eat them.
husk bully journal entry
The Hunter is not human and therefore unreliable
welp, Lori pulled out the facts
Willoh also said that the infected bugs around her didn't taste great
sweet like flavored medicine perhaps
Willoh is also not human 
Huh whats wrong with it
You'll know if you drink it

I mean you might wanna stab the infected balloon before you drink it but then you should be fine
and we never heard from Kaan again
GOOOD NIGHT... i mean... uhh GOOD MORNING... SEE YA LATER
Okay, I've never come to say how much I love Wombat's profile.
It's so fucking cool.
Thanks?
haha
Tim Chungus really let us down


how do tools work
said the human
like are they just charms but for movement or
they're what's replacing charms
not just movement stuff
in fact only thing that we know of currently to do with charms and movement is pogo
What does pogo have to do with anything 
you can pogo tools
therefore they are movement related tools
Grapple wouldn’t be a tool
It’d probably be a skill
Like her gossamer storm
Skills would be the spell equivalent
Wait wtf theyre getting rid of charms?
yeah
Venom as in the movie?
I hope there's some news today, I can't wait to see what's on DSSN
Ehh I honestly think people who go on DSN are fools and should be ashamed
I definitely hope this statement won't come back to bite me in the near future
I wouldn't really say getting rid of, more like they're expanding upon them
Its got a different name and everything now
yeah its more of a new spin on the idea of gameplay customization
Which tbf the charms sorely needed
I think tools feel more active than charms, almost every charm gave a passive buff but tools can actually affect the world and enemies
Hmm. Im a little sad to hear that i was excited for the idea of new charms alongside the tools
Well we’re probably gonna get charm-like tools
But i understand why, that would be a lot of work to properly implement enough charms that are unique, alongside new tools too.
You know, extra health, more damage, more silk pickups, etc.
Blue and yellow ones, yeah
well, like, part of the tools will most likely fill the same role as charms, yeah
have you guys seen the new crowsworn clip that got posted on twitter
the sound design is perfect
Send it
send it here i am super curiou
when i'm curiou
mmmmm sound
also elevator copied from Hollow Knight???? Hollow Knight ripoff??!?!??!??
that looks awfully a lot like hollow knight 





must be a rip off 🙄
*
unlike hollow knight
the elevator is fast
Crests and tools are different sides of the system
Animations in Crowsworn look absolutely amazing
I imagine there will be nail art style abilities
when is silk song B(
ok true
the roll looks kinda awkward but the rest is nice
ngl i watched it for like 2 minutes before i realized it was a loop
?sspas
silksong?
honestly i don't get all the praise crowsworn is getting
from the clips it looks like i'll have a very same-y experience from hk playing it but i guess it's early development
it's simple
crow doctor
gun
An experience reminiscent of HK isn't a bad thing
no i mean it doesnt seem distinct
I think people are trying to compensate for the shit show it got when it first got announced
Even if it is an HK clone a good HK clone would still be a good game
something like hk sounds pretty great to me, can't play hk forever
i guess i just want something new
Me too but something old done well isn't bad either
If a game were to promise the same experience as HK I'd pick it up in a heartbeat
not saying it's bad
Yeah ik
just yeah not what im looking for ig
I get what you're saying
it's weird it's getting so much praise when gleamlight got killed on the spot for the exact same thing
Gleamlight supposedly was poorly executed
whats with the poop reactions?
If Gleamlight had been good the story might be different
i mean i think that's probably a direct consequence from the backlash it got
someone being stupid don't pay attention to it
Gleamlight looked bad :/
it looked and felt bad
damn that is sexy
yeah but my point is it didn't get backlash for looking bad
it got backlash for looking like hk
I feel like it got backlash for being similar to hk but being incredibly unpolished
Yeah I don’t exactly get the Crowsworn love.
yeah
looking like a cashgrab and stuff
weird 180 from the community imo
Compensation for the initial outrage may be a factor
i don't understand the sudden distaste myself honestly lol
is it because people say it looks too much like hollow knight?
I assumed gleamlight was already out when people started to hated it
No, it was hated for a while before hand.
gleamlight looked like a very unpolished indie game that got terminated most likely because of the hate it got when the trailer dropped
maybe im being too king but like yeah
strange
if anything gleamlight was a poor attempt of a cash grab
As someone who has Gleamlight, the unpolish is clear and seems identical to the original trailer of it.
crowsworn to me still looks like something with lots of passion poured into it
They’re still updating it though.
huh, really?
Yeah, fixing bugs, adding polish. It’s weird.
redemption arc
still, i'd be surprised if they pull a no man's sky
selling an unfinished game is shit but killing a game for looking like hk and backing another one that does the same thing is definitely weird imo
i doubt this game is entirely fixable
honestly im not expecting a lot from crowsworn new experience wise
from what ive seen so far
i'm sure it'll play well and all but yeah
i'm just worried crowsworn might end up being too small or too short
If they try to hit the 2023 date it probably will be
wasn't it late 2023?
Yeah No Man Sky’s genre allowed it to improve post release. A linear platformer (which Gleamlight is) is much harder to do.
i don't believe 2023 being the max
I think crowsworn has potential but it depends on how the developers execute it
They raised over a million dollars, if they make it too small people will literally riot
if it is late 2023 then i think it's about the same development time as hollow knight
Well yeah probably
also i'm a bit worried about the game not being fun in the sense that unworthy wasn't
but then again, the large budget changes things now
you think crowsworn will actually try to implement plague doctor elements to its gameplay or is it just a crows look cool design
The latter
unlucky
i wanna stuff herbs and nice smells in my beak mask
hopefully the next indie game that has an actual plague doctor as a protagonist won't get the gleamlight treatment for looking too much like crowsworn
in that case they should shoot for the actual original plague doctor outfits
tbh imo the whole notion of stealing ideas and making clones of games is just dumb
If a game is ostensibly "stolen" but it's well made, it should just be evaluated on its own merits
Unless it's literally entirely copied
Playing as a medical person in a metroidvania would be interesting
yeah
theres only one way to cure this plague, a gun
what do you guys think that the overall sotry of cs will even be
i want my poisoned weapons and smoke screen potions
Smogsworn
ok that react was automatic, this is a bot
Probably
Hasn't this guy been banned before?
Probably 
if he actually healed people we could get some pretty wholesome scenes but it looks like hes just going to shoot and kill everything i guess
well he is now
Anyway, you mostly get damage or movement based protagonists, so a support character in a metroidvaniawould be pretty unique
I’ve tried having a similar conversation to this one in Crowscord to the amount of success you could guess I would get.
okay but for real if our character is also able to master the art of "healing the plague" that would be sick
pun intended
if it was a healing protagonist i think the game would need a great story
for all we know the story to this world could be "the plague was way more fucked up"
Imagine Hollow Knight but instead of killing The Radiance you just introduce free healthcare
lots of stuff to do that seems interesting
maybe if you put certain herbs in your mask it could give buffs
because gameplay wise you couldnt do much maybe you could like heal dead beings and create armys idk
have you seen the elevator clip?
"curing" enemies as a gameplay hook to converting them to your side to fight other enemies
imagine throwing leeches at enemies
okay this is like an actual idea tho
Like this could legitimately be cool if given to the right people
yeah
wait which one
alright we should tell the crowsworn people to actually make their game feel more unique with that
Let's just tweet at Mongoose Rodeo and tell them they should totally change what their game is about
the leeches one or the curing one?
leeches
leeches as ammo instead of bullets
deaths gambit death will always look the coolest anyway if they don't do anything with the design and just used it because death cool i'll be sad
imagine if you had a humors balance to maintain
or something based off that
damn there really is a lot to do with that theme
sonia I already have a humor balance to mantain
same 😔
I feel like humors has a different definition in this situation
Pseudoscience 
yeah
i think wombat was just kidding anyway
so true
early medicine was funni
humor humors
"just let some blood out idk, maybe it'll help"
more like old European medicine specifically
ikb4 there’s another void well at the bottom of pharloom
and shade lord knight is gonna pop out to say hi in game
:|
but like seriously an old medicine/plague doctor based metroidvania could be seriously awesome
probably like most medicine pre discovery of things like microbiology 
taking inspiration from cultures across the globe
maybe you could have an upgrade progression where you learn the medicines of certain cultures
we dont talk about what american medicine is like now though 
yeah i wish crowsworn would do something like that instead of the old and used all the enemies are zombies because of a random disease/bad guy
Bad
Bad
Bad
hey i said no talking

dumb dumb
Pain
banned
what did discord do to the font btw
Is it different?
yeah
I don't see a difference
but only when people are typing or bold text
Weird
there's a ban appeal server?
I am not sure if this is in a different font or not
This is something that Deserves Discussing; What in hell are the Purpose of Multiple Crests when Most Players are just gonna find the Best Crest and the fastest way to get it
Because what the best crest is will probably be subjective
maybe its because its not French
Between differing special innate abilities and tool slot counts comparing crests 1:1 may not be possible
probably gonna be more than one best crest
it's even possible that they're gonna be about equal
I hope so
The problem is there's gonna have to be bonuses to taking crests with less tool slots
thats the hope anyways
Well They can’t really Vary the Crests much without having like 2 Slots for each type
have you played the game yet
No, but still
we dont know all about what crests are capable of
That could be cool but then that makes people not cares about certain Crests
yeah
Unless they make Wanderer the Stock one and have no Upsides or Downsides
Yoo Necromancer you did daily ss news?
Yeah 
what the fuck
maybe crests will be similar to charm builds from HK? Like healing, spells, or nail
Me and Jacoby asked Ara and he just said yes
niceee
So it's a joint one
I like how you got the representation of the TGA cult after JoJoker was like "dont join any cults"
If so, they would need some Downsides cause they aren’t Charms, they hold tools
DSSN remains neutral
Read the pinned comment lol
Downsides come in the form of having fewer tool slots of a given color than other crests, or a different/weaker unique ability
You do know Wanderer has 1 of Each Tools Type…
Yeah like you could have a balanced crest or maybe one with 3 of one type and only 1 other one
Wanderer appears to be the base crest, and therefore may simply be the weakest one
With the intent that you swap off it as soon as you get something better (ie anything else)
So like 3 offensive ones, but only a single tool from the other categories
Is that better? Worse? It's up to you to decide
did you guys forget to pick up the Big Mac in the Overgrown Realm of Silksong? apparently that can actually make you lose the game, and you won’t be able to fight the frigid husks more effectively
Then that will make it Obsolete unless the others have ungodly Downsides
you lost The Game by typing that
If the point of the crest is to be an introductory one then that's fine
damn
Ok…
I think the more important thing is that no tool gets outclassed by another, the crests are probably a little less important
If you have a tool that's just a better version of another one, that's bad
I've kinda changed my mind about tool obsolescence
But a crest that's straight-up better than another makes sense for a later stage in the game
I think if a tool has higher "tier" (for lack of a better word) analogue with similar use cases it would be fine to let earlier ones fade out of relevance
but it doesn't seem like there will be alot of crests, not as many as tools anyway, i'd have thought it'd be better for certain tools to become obsolete
eg if the javelin is usable in the same sort of way straight pin is, imo it could be fine to let the former replace the latter. That would incentivize players to use new things
I guess it would depend on play style, like certain crests are better for a tank build
Well I doubt tank builds will be viable at all but generally yeah 
Edge called them themed loadouts which imo is a fair way to look at it
yeah, hornet is normally supposed to be fast but its just for example
Yeah
Yeah, seems like there may be enough red tools to have a number appropriately balanced for each stage of the game, whereas crests may be more limited in number
I'd be fine with fewer crests so long as they'd scale to endgame.
the tool menu scolls up and down yeah?
Red tools won't scale, but there would probably be a handful of endgame-viable ones.
which means you can have wayyy more tools without an issue than you could have charms
someone's gonna do a straight pin only run
Yeah I imagine there'll be more tools in SS than there were charms in HK.
Well probably but that could itself be a bit messy to maneuver
I'm pretty sure it does from the screenshot
Yeah, it's probably just messy to use
i haven't played silksong
You're missing out
oh
Just kidding, it sucks.
Silksong isn’t even out yet
So long as there exist the red tools to accommodate most/all use cases at every stage of the game that would be fine
shhh
I’ll just r/Whoosh myself
a way of "pinning" your favourite tools to the top of the list would be nice
WHAT
Yeah, rotating arsenal is nice.
r/whoosh
1: I acknowledge the pun
2: Yes it would
we didnt need that for charms i doubt there will be so many tools we need that
the charms weren't a scroll menu
There are more than a screen's worth of tools
scroll menu? why
There are about six tools in the game.
takes up less space
eww
7 including sherma
And that's just a small, small sliver of the tools in the game
thats not final
but huh i guess the pin thing would be good then
oh and the tools are sorted by colour vertically, I'd prefer horizontally
tbh I would prefer if they could somehow sort the menu so as to not have to do that, maybe have a page for each color that is opened when you select a slot or smth, but if they gotta do scrolling then so be it
they should just make it like the charm menu
Probably too many for that
depends on the number of tools
they can just make the icons small
They also have to have space for the crest itself
Navigating would be hell
Making the icons super small would create whole new problems
yeah i guess
I wholly expect that this menu will be a tad unwieldy at times
But like that's a small grievance
crests and tools should be separate pages on the menu maybe
The systems are super interconnected, idk if that would be possible
but you have to equip to the crest
What's everyone's favourite tool thus far? Mine is easily the "Blade of Blackwyrm".






