#sk-discussion

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opaque sigil
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Well that's questionable zote

vivid belfry
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Everything that came together to make it was independent of the beacon

opaque sigil
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TK could have some memories of Hallownest

vivid belfry
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Unless white lady was created by the pale king which, doubt

glossy gazelle
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I'm guessing that has something to do with the void

opaque sigil
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Why

glossy gazelle
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I mean to be fair, we dunno how the mind of the void exactly work, and I don't see much other reason why a descandent of two higher beings has memory loss

opaque sigil
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That TK has memory loss is a fairly significant assumption in the first place

glossy gazelle
vivid belfry
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It has enough of a memory loss problem that the circumstances of its own birth are considered a transformative revelation

opaque sigil
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You can remember shit without having amnesia

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It's also considered to be as much acceptance as anything else

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The birthplace cutscene as an introspective thing and not a "oh gee look my amnesia's gone" is a viable interpretation

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Or it could just be suppression of traumatic memories or some shit

pearl meadow
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Suppression of traumatic memories is an interesting one, since it’s emphasized that we have to accept the circumstances of our birth

vivid belfry
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That is interesting

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And it definitely makes things easier with how the beacon works

glossy gazelle
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I mean if you were left in a pit to die, that would probably be traumatic

glossy gazelle
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Hmmm well that's noted for now

vivid belfry
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Still, repressing trauma is a form of selective memory loss so i win on a technicality pepegamaster

opaque sigil
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Well the point is that it wasn't the beacon's absence

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That has never made sense, really

vivid belfry
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Yeah I never thought it was the beacon to begin with

opaque sigil
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I mean it's one of those things that sounds reasonable until you think about it for like half a second zote

pearl meadow
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Yeye

vivid belfry
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I thought it was some unrelated thing like bonking its head, but given that the knight never actually speaks, it makes more sense that it just forgot this one thing

tribal merlin
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I keep reading "bacon" and now I'm hungry feelsgrubman

glossy gazelle
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The beacon thing is probably only a concept exclusive to the husks

vivid belfry
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If you shake up the void it gets confused

pearl meadow
glossy gazelle
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Rather than just all lower bugs

opaque sigil
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It's exclusive to things affected by it

vivid belfry
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Husks are just undead bugs, the memory loss is for bugs that were dumbass animals before entering hallownest

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Well more accurately, mind loss

glossy gazelle
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Yeah, bugs like the mantises, bees, spiders, and moths, probably wouldn't be affected by that

cerulean sable
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she got the dirnk of the soul coolaid, made memories go bad :(((((

vivid belfry
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Everybody who isn't quirrel would go feral or just die based on the howling cliff's king's idol bug

opaque sigil
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Probably. Plus memory loss doesn't really make the most sense as a symptom of the beacon's absence in the first place

vivid belfry
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(Everybody referring to within this group)

opaque sigil
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damn grover just called us all beings of lesser intelligence

vivid belfry
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God dammit

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Everybody referring to bugs that are dependent on the pale king's beacon

opaque sigil
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I mean it's not a bad way to call somebody an idiot though

glossy gazelle
vivid belfry
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That's the easiest and most accepted explanation

opaque sigil
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Alternatively he might not need the beacon and the mask itself is the cause of the memory loss tamershrug

vivid belfry
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Theoretically it could have been some other shit monomon did to stop him from losing his mind

opaque sigil
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But some of the text from the comic kinda suggests otherwise

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Something about the sand or wind hurting him mentally

vivid belfry
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But I bet she would be fine with him losing his memories, makes it more likely he won't return before he's supposed to

opaque sigil
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His losing his memories is if anything a plus

vivid belfry
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Right

opaque sigil
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He probably never would have thought to return if Monomon hadn't made him

coarse leaf
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silksong

glossy gazelle
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Anyways yeah, I doubt Hornet would be losing her memories on the journey to Pharloom

opaque sigil
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Considering that she explicitly references something prior to her journey it's unlikely zote

vivid belfry
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She's probably still going to be ignorant on the history of the weavers and ESPECIALLY what they've been doing since leaving hallownest

opaque sigil
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Definitely the latter, idk about the former, she could conceivably have some knowledge but it would be in TC's best interests to present it as novel anyways for the players

coarse leaf
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oh so yall are actually talking abt silksong today? nice

opaque sigil
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Hornet: If you are as talented as you suggest, would you lend me your aid, if only briefly? I’ve lacked for my usual tools, and I suspect you could craft fine replacements.
Forge-Daughter: Blades and traps, no doubt? I know your type!
Hornet: Of sorts, but maybe strange to this land? Some would likely prove fine challenge for your craft.
Doesn't get more explicit than this regarding her memory being intact

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Also Forge-Daughter is a shitty boss

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Imagine a customer coming in and smacking the shit out of you and your manager just laughs

normal token
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Forge-Daughter enjoys pain

vivid belfry
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I think Ballo is just not nonsense and Forge Daughter likes to clown on him

analog forge
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if your employees try to smack up your customers, let them get smacked up

cerulean sable
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you should get - relations everytime you smack Ballo but it return the lower your relation with him the lower the prices Forge Daughter offers you

minor gale
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Wonder if cornifer is gonna be in it

opaque sigil
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Ballow doesn't attack Hornet pepegamaster

analog forge
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sorry to tell you this but cornifier is settled in hallownest

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that was literally his entire arc.

opaque sigil
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Shakra's Pharloom's cartographer

minor gale
normal token
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Cornifer is sleeping nicely in Hallownest

opaque sigil
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geogerphery?

pearl meadow
minor gale
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Some one how makes maps

tribal merlin
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most people wouldn't be here if they didn't believe TC had the mental capacity to come up with new stuff for SS

opaque sigil
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Cartographer

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The word is cartographer zote

glossy gazelle
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I'm slightly curious on Shakra

tribal merlin
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the name is really close to "Sherma" so that's a probably a kill on sight

cerulean sable
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hornet drinks a potion which puts her in a deep slumber

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she wakes up 70 years into future and everyone is now wearing cymbals, constructing massive golden statues depicting Sherma

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thus the bad ending has been achieved

tribal merlin
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just imagine walking through the rain next to Sherma

pearl meadow
cerulean sable
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Hornet just collapses on the floor, cry-laughing hysterically

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then it cuts into a black, the achievement "Shepherds of Sherma" pops out

"A game by Team Cherry..." blurts out

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wake me up from this nightmare

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for real though if the ending is in a positive note, the ending theme would probably be similar to the trailer song

pearl meadow
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Unbeknownst to you, you have died and have been sent here as an eternal punishment for your sins. May the shepherds of sherma have mercy upon you

cerulean sable
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a punishment where everyone is a society of shermas

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like that one episode of spongebob where squidwards comes to a village where theyre all squidwards alikes

pearl meadow
cerulean sable
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real shit i swear to god TC doesnt kill Sherma out of "cuz its sad"

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i expect her to at least live if you dont fuck up her questline

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then again if they do kill her, theyll probably do it offscreen anticlimactically

opaque sigil
pearl meadow
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I lowkey hope they don’t die, but knowing TC that hope is futile

opaque sigil
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HK NPC deaths generally weren't that sad

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Cloth got what she wanted, Quirrel was old and ready to die, Nailsmith got his last wish fulfilled, Zote's an asshole, Tiso's an asshole

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Only Tuk was actually sad

mortal grove
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aorry but tiso was a cool asshole

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i mean a shield from his dead friend? pretty cool

analog forge
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he dies to a mawlek, he wasnt cool enough

mortal grove
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youve died to mawlek before how come when he dies hes uncool

opaque sigil
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Because he's an asshole

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That subtracts a ton of cool

glossy gazelle
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Sherma is a dude my guy

opaque sigil
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People see the a and assume it's feminine feelspkman

jovial sand
mortal grove
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maybe like a squeaky toy everytime it gets hit

glossy gazelle
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Sherma, the poor lad, butt of most of the jokes of this channel solely because he isn't strong enough to help himelf

opaque sigil
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Eh he's probably a bit of an idiot tbf

jovial sand
royal ridge
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1030300 2022-02-01 Hollow Knight: Silksong Team Cherry Team Cherry
Nvidia leak

opaque sigil
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No

royal ridge
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release date

mortal grove
opaque sigil
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I think she does?

jovial sand
mortal grove
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no

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thats very lame she needs something cooler

opaque sigil
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Though the hit effect dampens sound so if she has vocal sounds after getting hit they're probably quiet

analog forge
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"kalama, asshole"

opaque sigil
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hegare motherfucker crabgun

dusty nimbus
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Opening your mouth during combat leaves you vulnerable so it might be just a groan

analog forge
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wot lol

opaque sigil
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How

analog forge
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Thats not a thing

opaque sigil
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And she's not afraid to scream at TK

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Or when she attacks

analog forge
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a sword or mace strike isnt gonna be stopped by your teeth, sorry

opaque sigil
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ok Hornet sometimes has grunts when she's hit but not always, looks like

dusty nimbus
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Well I was thinking of hand to hand combat

opaque sigil
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Also the Hornet/Lace fight is very vocal

dusty nimbus
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So I'm the dumb one

opaque sigil
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They're just like having a conversation during the fight

analog forge
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whats someone going to do, punch into your mouth?

opaque sigil
dusty nimbus
opaque sigil
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It's always the weak spot smh

analog forge
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If someone manages to get that kind of face hit in, your mouth wasnt the problem, it was your pisspoor guard

mortal grove
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screaming hornet

analog forge
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might as well go for the throat punch at that point

dusty nimbus
analog forge
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If your grappling, then ideally you should be in control of your opponets arms at all times

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thats kinda the entire fucking point, to control your opponet

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If they have enough freedom of motion to punch you in the mouth, then you've massively fucked up somewhere

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and if its just a desperate mouth grab, then you just bite down

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the human bite can rend flesh from bone if its full force

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if anything, putting your most valuable bits in your opponets mouth is the liability, not the other way around

serene chasm
pallid flare
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hi culry

serene chasm
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Are we talking about biting people?

opaque sigil
cunning geode
coarse leaf
serene chasm
fiery coral
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Hello Curlybugelderelderbug grublove

analog forge
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then you rend slightly dirty flesh from bone

normal token
opaque sigil
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You missed the SS talk zote

normal token
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Who

serene chasm
opaque sigil
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Curly

serene chasm
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Tammo

opaque sigil
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This is why I should remember to use the reply function agoneyes

normal token
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Curly and Tammo

serene chasm
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DONKEY!

opaque sigil
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God I haven't even seen that movie in like a decade and I immediately read it in the accent what the hell why is that movie in my brain

pallid flare
serene chasm
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Shrek is love, Shrek is life

pallid flare
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what is this emote

normal token
coarse leaf
glossy gazelle
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Well it was nice while the ss discussion lasted, but I guess we talking other stuff now

serene chasm
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Its always been this way

opaque sigil
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I mean there's actually been a lot of SS talk today zote

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ig I can just post this again

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An approximation of the seal/spell's design

serene chasm
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Does it look like any seal we know of?

cunning geode
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thanks apples

opaque sigil
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It has similar aspects to seals of binding, which were designed by weavers

cunning geode
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oh btw apples i hope you acknowledged our misunderstanding recently 🥴

willow sinew
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Yeah we good stagflustered

cunning geode
normal token
opaque sigil
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I assume it to be a part of the spell

serene chasm
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It looks like a character

lament lotus
normal token
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It seems like they have 4 arms and 3 legs??

opaque sigil
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I think that spot is where the lever that activates the bell goes in the demo

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The lever goes down when you hit it though

potent plover
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Strange

normal token
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The one you posted seems to be a different location than the one in the demo

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Unless TC really really loved doing even more background changes

opaque sigil
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That one was from the trailer

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This is from the demo

normal token
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Ok now that sorta looks like a hoodie

opaque sigil
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Yes Hornet's blurry, the footage wasn't great

potent plover
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Also, how many of you know about the "shard pouch"?

opaque sigil
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I've heard it mentioned

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idk what the evidence for one was

potent plover
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^^^

opaque sigil
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ok, seems pretty self explanatory

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Solid addition

potent plover
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"small bag of shell shards. Useful crafting material, often carried by prepared pilgrims"

opaque sigil
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Presumably you can use the item to get the shell shards out of it

potent plover
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Makes sense, Probably like relics more than rosary strings

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since you don't lose shell shards on death

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you could probably use them when low on shell shards

opaque sigil
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You also might not be able to create pouches, though that wouldn't exactly be a terrible idea

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And you don't lose rosary strings on death, rosary strings function like relics

potent plover
opaque sigil
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Well it would also alleviate the potential risk of running out of or wasting shell shards by being unable to pick them up

glossy gazelle
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Thanks for deleting that

serene chasm
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damn it! missed free nitro again

glossy gazelle
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I swear that's an every day thing now

languid linden
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Yeah, each mod has over a decade of free nitro each now

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Smh my head mods, not letting anyone else have free nitro

cunning geode
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you couldn't handle it

pallid flare
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the mods are selling the nitro to support the cherry, it's all a big scheme

normal token
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Ye, they're giving more money so TC can buy more croissants

potent plover
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smh, I can't belive I never figured out this mod lore

analog forge
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im tempted to one day post a legit nitro link and just see how people react

cunning geode
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it's usually pretty clear when it's real

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if you have a brain feelspkman

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real nitro links are only "discord.gift"

tribal merlin
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it's even easier when you have the opinion that nitro is garbage, then you don't even have to pay attention feelspkman

warm bone
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Would I mean

analog forge
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i will die a martyr

trim estuary
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What if I post a legitimate nitro link but it doesn’t work

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Guess we’re about to find out!

analog forge
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it shows a different png if its claimed

tribal merlin
pallid flare
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a bot will claim it in one second

analog forge
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thats not the bot crisis we have

drowsy pike
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Fuck I'm starting to get so hyped I can't wait for December

trim estuary
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oh no

trim estuary
normal token
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Silkbong news in December please 🙏

trim estuary
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December 9th maybe

drowsy pike
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News which are highly likely on December/November

But I'm more sure it's going to be on December rather than this month

normal token
trim estuary
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Also maybe Dec 21st

drowsy pike
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Like

  • November 20% chance
  • December 80% chance
  • January 100% if it doesn't happen on December

I just know it's gonna be one of these 3 months

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Can't wait

trim estuary
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It would be really funny if it wasn’t

drowsy pike
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Full year without a single trace of news would be yikes

stark estuary
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Yikes.

trim estuary
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Yikes.

drowsy pike
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Plus it lines up with a February release even if it's announced as early as late November

trim estuary
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There is no February release

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There never has been and there never will be

normal token
trim estuary
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See?

drowsy pike
glossy gazelle
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May I ask what evidence

trim estuary
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False prophecy

stark estuary
trim estuary
normal token
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There was some nividia link iirc

stark estuary
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Not a credible leak.

normal token
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Ik it's not exactly trust worthy

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also MAG you can stop with the reactions jesus

drowsy pike
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It's not that hard to come up to this conclusion by looking at the things TC has been doing recently

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The leak is merely some extra salt into an already large plate of food

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And you can also apply common sense like things such as marketing strategies that would explain why a February release would be plausible

tribal merlin
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I can apply common sense to tell you it's not gonna release in the next months 🙂

trim estuary
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I can apply uncommon sense and tell you it’s releasing December 21st

drowsy pike
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I can apply some common sense to tell you git gud lol destroyed destroyed

granite warren
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Is there any leaks on how much it's gonna cost or nah?

drowsy pike
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No

trim estuary
normal token
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Welcome to #sk-discussion : everyone is excited for the game except for it releasing

tribal merlin
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they said somewhere they want to keep it accessible

trim estuary
drowsy pike
normal token
tribal merlin
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and yeah February would be a nice spot for them to release marketing wise but that's meaningless if the game isn't ready then

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and please don't point to that godawful yt video

normal token
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What yt video

tribal merlin
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of that guy speculating that hk updates means SS soon

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really no point in watching it

drowsy pike
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Even if SS really isn't coming soon they have a point

tribal merlin
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not really

trim estuary
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Wait why aren’t we using the silksong equation???

haughty ingot
drowsy pike
# tribal merlin not really

????

There is no reason why they would go back to HK if they wanted to give SS development full focus.

The fact that they're even updating HK to begin with already means that they have the liberty to stay away from Silksong for a while because it must be in a good spot of development.

This aside, speaking on a game development perspective there are many reasons that both explain why would they do this and that also support the main idea of the video and one of theories as to why SS might be coming out soon.

haughty ingot
random fox
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Alo

drowsy pike
tribal merlin
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"There is no reason why they would go back to HK if they wanted to give SS development full focus."
yes, there is. Eg they could have done a build freeze to do larger scale testing, which in turn means the coder has time to do HK updates.

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And then a few cycles would follow

random fox
tribal merlin
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which is just speculation of course

random fox
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Like i swear being optimistic is a felony acodring to some ppl

trim estuary
analog forge
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no they didnt

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they just have alot of benches, that doesnt mean thats all the benches

trim estuary
normal token
analog forge
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they arent gonna shadow drop it tomarrow

trim estuary
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Shhh it was to make a point

random fox
analog forge
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its a fundamentally flawed point

trim estuary
analog forge
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no they said they had done 50+ benches

drowsy pike
# tribal merlin "There is no reason why they would go back to HK if they wanted to give SS devel...

You just proved my point

There was no reason before they needed to shift attention to HK because Silksong needed it.

The fact that they're now giving HK attention after they stopped supporting the game shortly after godmaster is an indicator that they likely are waiting for things like:

  • Play testers to finish giving feedback
  • Translators finishing game translations
  • Code cleanup
  • Translation fixes, grammatical fixes
  • Etc etc etc

All and all, again, them giving HK focus after full on stopping the games support momentarily to support SS NOW after so long is a clear eyebrow raiser and from a dev standpoint this realistically makes sense and is, well, literally the only logical explanation

trim estuary
random fox
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What is the reason then? If me no can be happy u can no be happy too?

trim estuary
drowsy pike
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TC not being able to work on SS because they're waiting on people like Larking to finish music for example, or for translators to finish translating gives them a reason to go back to HK in the meantime and still be productive by patching their other game

trim estuary
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Nah I just don’t want them to be disappointed and then come back here angry when it doesn’t come out on XX.XX.202X

tribal merlin
trim estuary
tribal merlin
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there's rarely one cycle of more intensive testing which means it'll take more time

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so no SS in Feb

drowsy pike
# tribal merlin you forgot "and then a few cycles would follow"

They just started doing this after so long though

It's not even that they're gonna keep doing these cycles in the future because the game isn't going to be on development for 4 fucking years or 5 fucking years

And no TC being an indie dev doesn't mean it will take that long

tribal merlin
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and in my opinion it is just their coder that's working on HK

trim estuary
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I mean development could very well go on for 5 more years

normal token
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Isn't SS like already 3 and a half years into development?

drowsy pike
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Yes it started full on dev in 2018 after godmaster

trim estuary
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Oh boy here comes the it took this long for hollow knight so it must take this long for silksong

drowsy pike
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And was announced in 2019 Feb

trim estuary
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Some development started on HK’s release

drowsy pike
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I understand that TC wants to take their time but even for TC I highly doubt they want to stretch development for 4-5 years

olive bone
tribal merlin
drowsy pike
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Plus they clearly stated in the 2019 blog post that they didn't want to add too much into the game and get carried away or whatever

normal token
trim estuary
stark estuary
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Skill issue

trim estuary
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Speed runs be like: silksong finished in HALF A YEAR!!

olive bone
trim estuary
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brain no work

tribal merlin
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also I'm pretty sure it's only Jack working on HK, Ari can still work on art and Will can still update mechanics in SS

turbid kite
trim estuary
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They’re lost to the tide

drowsy pike
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It just doesn't make sense now and frankly it's a poor approach into developing the game while micromanaging HK

trim estuary
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🍔

drowsy pike
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Also I'm sure that would add a lot of unnecessary stress into whoever is coding because you'd have them going from project to project with literally no breaks and constant swapping

tribal merlin
stark estuary
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I might be a bit late, but yeah Silksong really isn't taking that long at all. It's not unrealistic for a AAA title to take over 5 years to develop even though they're being produced by companies who employ hundreds of people. Silksong obviously isn't a AAA game, but it sure as hell looks like it's going to have the polish of one, and a game on this kinda scale taking a long time when it's only being developed by three people is kind of a given.

turbid kite
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don't AAA games also have a lot of recycled assets to work with too

trim estuary
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Let’s talk about tools!

stark estuary
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I think the reveal trailer gave people the impression that the game was near completion, even though it clearly wasn't, and this idea spread further when the lady from Treehouse said the game was coming out "soon".

turbid kite
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there's also like. the whole "there's a plague afoot" thing and one of the devs having a kid(?)

trim estuary
stark estuary
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I mean, they hired a new coder, who might have wanted to start from scratch.

normal token
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I don't sem em reusing a whole lot

stark estuary
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And there's not that much transferrable material anyway.

turbid kite
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Yeah, a lot of modders talk about how messy HK's coding is, so it would make sense for the new coder to take a different approach

trim estuary
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They said the plague afoot wasn’t affecting development much

turbid kite
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I mean, "much" is pretty vague

trim estuary
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Mulch

turbid kite
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especially if you combine plague + an infant

tribal merlin
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yeah he most definitely did start from scratch, apparently a large part of HK codebase was generated by Playmaker and a coder proficient in unity probably wouldn't want to rely on that for building a new game

cunning geode
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good idea

turbid kite
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I forgot if they disclosed if SS will have mod support?

trim estuary
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What is a playmaker

tribal merlin
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it's something that helps noobs build games in unity feelspkman

cunning geode
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if you count "fans are allowed to mod our game and we endorse that" as support then yeah

trim estuary
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Alright downloading rn

cunning geode
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but if you mean modding tools thats a whole other beast

turbid kite
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if anything, i'd assume that a less fucked up coding approach would optimistically make modding easier? zote

trim estuary
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Yeah probably

tribal merlin
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if a code base is easier to maintain that usually means it's easier to understand and so easier to write extensions for

cunning geode
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Silksong coded in Java

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modders resign

coarse leaf
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Silksong coded in Excel

tribal merlin
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coded in Java EE zote

cunning geode
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oh god

turbid kite
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maybe they really are adding in a fishing minigame

jovial sand
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Silkssongn coded in word

turbid kite
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"Craft powerful tools!" --> grind for resources --> fishing minigame

cunning geode
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cant wait for Silksong: Source

tribal merlin
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seeing how you can't even make a multi page document in word I'd be interested to see a whole game made from it feelspkman

marsh ibex
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hiiii socky wocky

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jabbersocky

turbid kite
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ew

marsh ibex
turbid kite
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anyways, what year is considering the start of development for ss

marsh ibex
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officially, solely on SS?

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Announcement trailer

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they’ve been working on it since HK came out

tribal merlin
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I'd say it only counts from when they got Jack on board so mid 2018

coarse leaf
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2018 for sure

random fox
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I infiltrated mod chat again

marsh ibex
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I guess you could say since they finished the last thingie

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dlc

tribal merlin
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yeah

pallid flare
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gods and glory

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olive bone
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id say after godmaster dlc

tribal merlin
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by then they knew SS wouldn't be a small game any more

marsh ibex
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sock why are you back to halloween

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it’s krimah

turbid kite
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happy holloween

cunning geode
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halloween is superior

coarse leaf
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that makes 3 whole years at the end of 2021

marsh ibex
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sock you make it hard to wuv you

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good thing I loathe you

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stinky

cunning geode
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._.

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Also holy shit it's JoJoker from the popular discord server Hollow Knight

turbid kite
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i'm going to guess there's a pretty big timesink between "haha hornet dlc" to "fuck we have to conceptualize an entire game now"

marsh ibex
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pichu if that’s you I swear to god

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cunning geode
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well Leth told them to just make it a game before HK released

marsh ibex
turbid kite
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leth prophetic vision

cunning geode
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im not japing btw

languid linden
tribal merlin
turbid kite
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i wonder if any of the devs has a perfectionist streak

tribal merlin
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impossible

turbid kite
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i feel like that would show up extra prominently in SS's development, since you'd be more aware of all the fuck-ups made during HK zote

coarse leaf
marsh ibex
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no, that’s me

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Jack Vine

turbid kite
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maybe the delay is because that one copypasta sent to TC hurt christopher larkin's feelings and now he's on strike

tribal merlin
cunning geode
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random chance to walk into a room with menderbug and like fifteen guards

turbid kite
tribal merlin
turbid kite
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in SS, you get deduced money for property damage

coral carbon
tribal merlin
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4 hour escape run

vale galleon
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#

Menderbug beats an old lady with a stick

turbid kite
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maybe the game is done but hornet's new fancy acrobatics means they're having a shit time finding all the game-breaking platform errors

coral carbon
languid linden
marsh ibex
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imagine being named sarart

coral carbon
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welcome to the fandom enjoy your stay feelspkman /j

tribal merlin
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the voice actress forgot how to SHAW and they're waiting for her to come out of memory treatment

vale galleon
cunning geode
languid linden
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Also his case

coral carbon
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menderbug’s wife seeks revenge

turbid kite
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maybe they're gonna give hornet multiple skins because like. silksong? pharloom? and now ari is redrawing every sprite but with a new dress 😩

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i dont think menderbug had a wife, there was just another menderbug he had a crush on?

cunning geode
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hornet skins her opponents and wears their chitin

turbid kite
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i don't think that would work

marsh ibex
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Menderberri

coral carbon
turbid kite
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i don't think that counts as skinning

cunning geode
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but you get the idea

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do you have a better word

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coral carbon
turbid kite
trim estuary
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Guys we’re all forgetting Mr Mushroom

olive bone
coarse leaf
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hornet ate mr mushroom she cooked a stew

turbid kite
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mushroom is the enemy of pharloom, they keep decomposing the silk

coral carbon
turbid kite
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how would mr.mushroom give a cookie. does he just carry it in his mouth

languid linden
coral carbon
olive bone
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his secret cooki storage in pharloom ofc

marsh ibex
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He has roots

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#

Speaking of menderbug, did you guys see this https://youtu.be/Wl-tt4DW2Ng

Find out about Hollow Knight Menderbug's Backstory in this Animated Shortfilm. Here is the secret Silksong Ending showing a scene of Pharloom.

I hope y'all enjoy my little video.

This is just a fictional backstory that I thought of after finishing the game and encountering menderbug. Hollow Knight is one of the best indie games out there and I...

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vale galleon
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zote needs to be there because they transcend reasoning, who cares if it wouldnt make sense, zote is above all that that

turbid kite
olive bone
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yes, yes i do

coral carbon
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i want zote to choke on his own spit as he sleeps and then get painfully devoured by his sleep paralysis demon

turbid kite
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poor sleep paralysis demon

coral carbon
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ikr

marsh ibex
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Sus-pend your disbelief

turbid kite
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that mushroom is as magic as me

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does sentience count as magic now

marsh ibex
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Mr mushroom is immortal

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And can fly

turbid kite
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lobsters are immortal and bees can fly

vale galleon
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menderbug heard news of a sign being broken in pharloom and then got sent on a journey to get there to fix the sign, thats gonna be the third game, you play as menderbug getting to pharloom

marsh ibex
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Lobsters aren’t immortal, bees are fat, you are neither

tribal merlin
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what if Pharloom is a no fly zone grubthink

serene chasm
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Menderbug ded

rapid topaz
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Is Mr Mushroom a lobster-bee then

coarse leaf
#

I just want TC news 😭

languid linden
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Me too buddy

vale galleon
coarse leaf
#

I'm praying for December 😭

languid linden
#

btw

serene chasm
languid linden
coarse leaf
#

I am Iron Cherry

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languid linden
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But I like talking here more than I like developing SS

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So too bad

languid linden
rapid topaz
#

Captain Forleth

normal token
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"What is taking silksong so long?"
"That bastard known as Captain Fordo isn't working on the game, for some reason we have not fired him and never will"

cunning geode
#

blackmail

still owl
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Servers getting close to 150k

cunning geode
#

yeeeup shermaU

normal token
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Yo it's shalwoon too, everyone is coming to the party!

still owl
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yeeeeup

cunning geode
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hey thats what i said

normal token
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Aw you don't have that pfp here

trim estuary
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I thought he was dead

normal token
#

I saw that emote

still owl
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Good try Wombat

pallid flare
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aogus

trim estuary
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NOOO

marsh ibex
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We’d be a lot of closer if we didn’t ban the scambots

trim estuary
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Mod abuse

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Hi Curly

serene chasm
marsh ibex
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pallid flare
#

where

trim estuary
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near

cunning geode
#

soon

tribal merlin
trim estuary
#

25.000053738194018382037 meters away

copper knot
marsh ibex
#

it

#

is

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KRIMAHHHHHH

copper knot
#

ITS NOVEMBER

stark estuary
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Christmas

marsh ibex
#

ITISKRIMAHH

serene chasm
#

I guess I should change my pfp

coarse leaf
copper knot
#

joker i will actually punt you

stark estuary
#

To rally against Christmas is folly, all things must accept an end.

serene chasm
#

7 days till day 1000

pallid flare
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are you excited?

tribal merlin
#

yeah but it's only 1000 in decimal

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unlikely team cherry are using such an outdated number base

serene chasm
#

Team cherry is taking part of NNN. ||No New November||

stark estuary
#

News*

analog forge
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what about october?

tribal merlin
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if they're using hex then 1000 means 4096 days which seems more realistic zote

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it's also more computer-y

serene chasm
#

TC are robots

tribal merlin
#

I think only Ari is a robot, the rest are cyborgs
hence Graig's interest in plants

still owl
#

Cyber Ari

marsh ibex
copper knot
#

no fuck you :(

viral pivot
#

is it time for christmas pfps yet?

tribal merlin
#

I'd say go straight for easter pfp

viral pivot
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XD

pallid flare
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I'll do you one better and go to the halloween pfp for maximum efficiency

burnt topaz
#

Don't celebrate

pallid flare
#

what

burnt topaz
#

If you don't celebrate anything you can never be late

pallid flare
tribal merlin
#

what's wrong with celebrating christmas 1 week late

stark estuary
#

Everything

viral pivot
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i think in some places they celebrate it formore than a day

tribal merlin
#

then you can celebrate new years at the same time and set the tree on fire

stark estuary
marsh ibex
#

@copper knot nice nickname

burnt topaz
coarse leaf
viral pivot
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cause its based off of jeusus birth and how the 3 kings or smth went to give him presents but they didnt come on the same day

copper knot
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this is bullying D:<

pallid flare
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this is the only type of mod abuse I support

copper knot
tribal merlin
#

yeah so time for bell pfp

marsh ibex
#

more like upon sussy imposter baka hahahahaahahahahaha amognsu

pallid flare
opaque sigil
#

mf misquote bad joke 0/10

marsh ibex
#

Exagryph is a pretty fun weapon, but I’m more partial to Coronacht myself Tammo

stark estuary
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My 12-year-old son called me "sussy baka" and I got very scared as it is a threat. Then he called me an "imposter" which scared me even more. How do I punish him for this?

opaque sigil
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Exagryph is just there for the memes

coarse leaf
opaque sigil
#

Coronacht isn't much better

coarse leaf
copper knot
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sssssusysusys baka ssusyas bak absasussuysa savsbaksa sUIS7IUFGHEWUIATNHBUIAWEHTIU

opaque sigil
#

Evidently not

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Nobody who sends a message of that ilk is "ok"

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Physically, emotionally, mentally, or spiritually, something is very wrong with Akivaq

coarse leaf
#

Nobody who's a member of discord.gg hollow knight is ok i just wanted to ask if they were having a stroke

valid sable
#

Guess it's time to sacrifice them to Team Cherry

burnt topaz
#

Why does TC need sacrifices?

vale galleon
#

if we sacrifice enough maybe we'll get more news

pallid flare
#

okay who do we sacrifice

vale galleon
#

Not it

serene chasm
#

Not it

coarse leaf
#

not

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coarse leaf
#

let's sacrifice Mods#0732

pallid flare
#

sorry mods#0732

coarse leaf
#

lets sacrifice every rescueable NPC

burnt topaz
#

dont tc already own them though?

opaque sigil
#

idk if inaction counts as sacrifice zote

floral kindle
#

sacrifice meme channel

opaque sigil
#

Yes

stark estuary
opaque sigil
burnt topaz
opaque sigil
pallid flare
#

can you not

floral kindle
#

Interesting

stark estuary
#

It was a typo I'm serious

opaque sigil
#

Kirb that pepegamaster's directed at you

coarse leaf
#

the pfp is matching

stark estuary
#

I was trying to quote the message

opaque sigil
#

feelspkman mmhmm

stark estuary
opaque sigil
#

Because you lie tisowo

stark estuary
#

Never

opaque sigil
#

There you go again

burnt topaz
#

youve never lied? ever??

opaque sigil
#

No helping you smh

stark estuary
#

And technically that hasn't been disproven.

opaque sigil
#

Correct, it has not been disproven that you are a liar

coarse leaf
normal token
#

Who

opaque sigil
#

Who d'ya think

nimble radish
#

Furry Catboy Sans (fuck u joker)

normal token
#

Akivaq sounds familiar though

sacred stratus
#

hello

pallid flare
#

no

nimble radish
#

hi

sacred stratus
#

oh wow the whole squad is back at it again

pallid flare
#

goodbye >:(

coarse leaf
#

hey lori

normal token
#

Hello Frosty the snowman

serene chasm
#

hey Lori

coarse leaf
#

hi frostyy too

normal token
#

Also hi lori

sacred stratus
#

any news? (not like I already know the answer)

nimble radish
#

you asked for this

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?sspsa

thin zephyrBOT
#

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ. hollowpins

pallid flare
#

?sssss

copper knot
#

ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

serene chasm
#

this is library

normal token
#

Shhhhh

nimble radish
#

motherfucking snakes in this motherfucking library

tribal merlin
#

don't go near the letter s shelf 👀

glossy gazelle
#

?ssssss

lament lotus
stark estuary
#

?sus

olive bobcat
#

Me and the homies sleepin in the z's section

formal karma
#

all my dolphin bois in the e section

tall hinge
#

ssssssssssss

fleet temple
#

Dead people are in the f section

opaque sigil
#

Marine people in the c section

coarse leaf
#

funny who

#

that was directed at a deleted message btw

tall hinge
odd heron
#

Just curious, is this discord surviving? Or is it shriveling away?

opaque sigil
#

Surviving and growing

odd heron
#

That's good

tribal merlin
#

we're perfectly fine agoneyes

summer kindle
#

why would it be shriveling away? only ss discussion is going batshit insane

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the new hk players are thriving

odd heron
#

Wait, was there new info?

opaque sigil
#

Like 50k new members over the past couple months

tribal merlin
#

do I post the Leth locket again grubthink

summer kindle
#

the w

serene chasm
#

❤️ crabgun
There is no news

odd heron
#

What is Leth's code again?

#

leth#???

coarse leaf
#

4

opaque sigil
coarse leaf
#

leth4dead

#

its been days since Graig showed up in the chat let us pray 😔

tall hinge
#

stealing stizzl pfp hollowwoke

formal karma
#

graig is the anti-christ let's be real...

valid sable
#

don't say that about your dad

opaque sigil
#

You would implore Ozlin not to speak the truth?

silver oak
opaque sigil
#

What song mylaU

silver oak
#

Ok don't judge me

languid linden
#

The World Revolving

opaque sigil
#

That's my guess

silver oak
#

But I listen to speedcore

#

Like 300+ bpm shit

opaque sigil
silver oak
#

The more it sounds like a machine gun the better

opaque sigil
#

Damn your poor ears

silver oak
#

I'm going deaf at age 30 but it's worth it

opaque sigil
#

is it tho

silver oak
#

in the name of good music

#

well, "good" is a subjective term

opaque sigil
#

Damn I was ready to jokingly poke fun for listening to a Deltarune song now I'm concerned

silver oak
#

The song is called Xronier if you dare listen

opaque sigil
#

Well now I have to at least see what it is

opaque sigil
#

tf kinda Doom shit is this

#

Well it doesn't seem as dangerous as it could be

#

Unless you have it really loud mylaU

silver oak
#

Yeah compression on YT makes it pretty quiet

opaque sigil
#

Anyways back to Tempest of Seasons huntresschef

silver oak
#

song or game?

opaque sigil
#

Song

#

(from a game but it's just a good song)

silver oak
#

Why are there like 6 versions

opaque sigil
#

The Rain one is the one I listen to zote

#

Some people post remixes of rain/thunder but the rain is good enough

silver oak
opaque sigil
#

mf I'm obviously Bardoon

silver oak
#

Take the quiz to find out

brazen needle
#

Just checking in. Any news?

nimble radish
#

haha Quotev

opaque sigil
#

Don't need a quiz to tell me that

silver oak
#

?sspsa

nimble radish
glossy gazelle
#

Uh dyno?

opaque sigil
#

lori 🐌

silver oak
#

dyno is gone :hollowD:

brazen needle
#

@nimble radish ?

nimble radish
glossy gazelle
#

?sspsa

silver oak
#

I think it's just slowmode

glossy gazelle
#

Dyno is just not working

nimble radish
#

oh it doesn't copy the bold

languid linden
#

?sspsa

brazen needle
#

Ok thanks

silver oak
#

Well you beat me to the copy paste

glossy gazelle
#

Dyno is having a stroke apparently

opaque sigil
languid linden
#

Wait wait wait maybe

silver oak
languid linden
silver oak
#

?piss

languid linden
#

Damn.

nimble radish
#

hopefully dyno won't post like six psa's in a row

trim estuary
#

Oh no #hk-meme is open to discussion

opaque sigil
#

dyno's having a rough day ok

silver oak
#

Wait like you can type in it now?

nimble radish
silver oak
#

Or it's just back online?

opaque sigil
silver oak
#

Also Tammo this song fucking slaps

opaque sigil
#

It does

glossy gazelle
#

It’s online but Dyno might be lagging

silver oak
#

ready for 6 psas in a row

opaque sigil
#

dyno gets muted for spamming omegamarmu

silver oak
#

it begins

glossy gazelle
#

Dyno is having issues as of late so I’m not surprised it’s being buggy right now

#

Oh no Dyno just isn’t working

opaque sigil
glossy gazelle
#

People are texting in #hk-meme

trim estuary
silver oak
#

I kept it safe with an image

coarse leaf
#

no unfortunately

silver oak
#

That was... june

cunning geode
#

so now people are quizzing on what hk character they are?

opaque sigil
#

I mean isn't that a common enough internet thing not to be surprising

cunning geode
#

im not surprised

silver oak
#

It's the natural evolution to any fandom

#

If you build it, the buzzfeed quizzes will come

cunning geode
#

you all arent gonna like which one I got

opaque sigil
#

Wombat edgelord confirmed?????

silver oak
#

also Wombat Dyno's down

cunning geode
#

i am aware

opaque sigil
#

Unless #hk-meme is actively burning (moreso than is usually is, being the dumpster fire of a channel that it is accustomed to being,) there's no need to freak out about it tamershrug

glossy gazelle
#

So far, people aren’t talking “that” much so I think it’s fine?

nimble radish
glossy gazelle
#

I mean the channel is never fine, but it’s not in a terrible state

opaque sigil
#

Or is it the same but just on a different site

silver oak
#

This image is everything you need to know about #hk-meme

cunning geode
#

see, that screenshot is funny

#

so its not like #hk-meme

trim estuary
opaque sigil
#

We're laughing at #hk-meme, not with it. That's the difference

cunning geode
#

wut

silver oak
#

the day we laugh with #hk-meme is the day we know #hk-meme has won

trim estuary
#

I was about to post me when beans dang it

#

Wait did it just lock and unlock

coarse leaf
#

babe babe wake up
dyno is offline we can talk in #hk-meme now

silver oak
#

admins are asleep so channel can't be locked

opaque sigil
#

Why would we want to talk in #hk-meme

silver oak
#

nevermind simo just woke up

glossy gazelle
#

It says simo is online

trim estuary
glossy gazelle
#

I think Simo just did that and immediately flipped it back

trim estuary
#

Dyno back

pallid flare
#

bot is back up

silver oak
#

?sspsa

thin zephyrBOT
#

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ. hollowpins

pallid flare
#

wooo

opaque sigil
#

god I hate that emote but love its energy

nimble radish
#

sspsa yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyea

silver oak
#

well that was a little adventure

glossy gazelle
#

Bot is back

nimble radish
#

hk meme just got purged

glossy gazelle
#

Well guess #hk-meme didn’t have to be locked

silver oak
#

shroompog > pogtamer > quirrelpog

nimble radish
#

and shroompog doesn't even look like a pog

opaque sigil
#

quirrelpog just hits different

silver oak
#

Lol simo just purged like 2 hours of chat

opaque sigil
#

shroompog is like "yay"
quirrelpog is like "OOOOH"

#

quirrelpog is more ironic ig

silver oak
#

pogtamer is a good emote but it's darker so you can't see the face as well as shroompog

nimble radish
#

we need a pog that both looks like a pog and isn't cursed

pallid flare
#

decent

opaque sigil
#

:poggerthorax:

nimble radish
#

less cursed definitely

silver oak
#

how do we not have a poggy thorax pog emote

#

it's the most obvious choice

opaque sigil
#

Because this server lacks the good emotes

pallid flare
#

where are they

nimble radish
#

mossycord

opaque sigil
#

Like :zotewall:, :upzote:, :omegamaggotprime:, :pk_cool:

cunning geode
#

make one and we might accept it

pallid flare
#

do i join mosscord just for the emotes

silver oak
#

:zot:

nimble radish
pallid flare
#

can someone dm me a limk

marsh ibex
nimble radish
#

I'm a hk mod

trim estuary
#

Same

pallid flare
#

sam

languid linden
cunning geode
#

SS - Serious Sam

silver oak
#

Severus Snape

marsh ibex
#

What is that infernal ticking noise?

cunning geode
#

no

silver oak
#

Hmmm... kinda catchy...

cunning geode
#

dont bring up that ancient video

#

let it rest

marsh ibex
#

snip, snap severus snap

#

damn I need to rewatch that video

nimble radish
#

it was so long ago

opaque sigil
silver oak
#

Did you know that the potter puppet pals and Two Trucks were made by the same person

trim estuary
#

“WHAT IS THAT INFERNAL NOISE??”
-Davy Jones, probably

silver oak
#

Neil Cicierega is a god

marsh ibex
#

?sspsa

thin zephyrBOT
#

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ. hollowpins

silver oak
#

Silksong will release in the future

cunning geode
#

thank you joey

opaque sigil
#

there are no notable theories

coral carbon
#

ah yes theories

silver oak
#

"theories" about a date we have no way of guessing

opaque sigil
#

Notable release date theories aren't a thing, it's an inherent self-contradiction

coral carbon
#

get matpat on the line

silver oak
#

DUMBLEDORE

coral carbon
#

dumbleeedorre

trim estuary
#

December 21st

silver oak
#

zip don't

trim estuary
marsh ibex
#

voldemort, voldemort ooh voldy voldy voldy voldemort

coral carbon
#

february zote

silver oak
#

badum dum dum dum

coral carbon
silver oak
#

reeses puffs reeses puffs
eat 'em up eat 'em up eat 'em up eat 'em up

cunning geode
#

i think you all need to cut the lead out of your diets

silver oak
#

nah
I eat only the finest grade silicone

coral carbon
#

i need to cut the alcohol marker sniffing out of my diet

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there be a reason why i say ohuhu is better than copic beesive /hj

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did i scare everyone away

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yare yare good grief

silver oak
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I fear to watch, and yet I can not look away

coral carbon
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the nestle crunch deez nuts?

coral carbon
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OH FICTRJGODNO

silver oak
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My muscles
My muscles

coral carbon
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touch tone telephone morr epic

copper knot
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INVOLUNTARILY FLEX

coral carbon
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I SAID TOUCH TONE TELEPHONE OOFDAMMIT WE’RE HOLLOW KNIGHT PLAYERS

silver oak
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Two trucks holding hands

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The passion
The passion
Is more than I can withstand

trim estuary
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guys new among us update

coral carbon
trim estuary
silver oak
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SHAPESHIFTER ROLE OMG hornetshock

coral carbon
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i’m going to redact both ye trucks >:(

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oh shoot that- sobs agoneyes

silver oak
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You are fuck

coral carbon
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ah yes

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No cost too great.
No mind to think.
No will to break.
No voice to cry suffering.
Born of God and Void.
You shall seal the blinding light that plagues their dreams.
You are the fuck.

languid linden
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Huh what

silver oak
coral carbon
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IM LAIGHING WAYY TOO HARD AT THSI

dusty nimbus
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What the hell is going on here?

pallid flare
coral carbon
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wtf is water

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worter is where it’s at

dusty nimbus
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I have read back and still don't have a clue

silver oak
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It's not good

languid linden
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How old is this meme btw

silver oak
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We've been struggling for about an hour now

coral carbon
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wheezing continues

silver oak
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Aka about when I got on

opaque sigil
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Maybe it's your fault, then mylaU

dusty nimbus
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Struggling about what?

copper knot
silver oak
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Well I started things off by sharing my amazing music taste with Tammo

copper knot
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You are fuck

coral carbon
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WHEEEZE

dusty nimbus
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Did it blow off Tammo's ears?

coral carbon
silver oak
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He seemed fine

coral carbon
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k bye guys immo go slep i symtayed up wayy too long

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wish me luck dream no more beesive

dusty nimbus
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I'll go check your music taste then

empty trench
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Why are people saying too much about december 21st?

opaque sigil
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joke

empty trench
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Indeed

dusty nimbus
untold inlet
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i assume most of y'all have seen razbuten's video

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i just watched it... man

opaque sigil
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I haven't

untold inlet
opaque sigil
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Nah I'm good

languid linden
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In a blurry screenshot for about one second zote

opaque sigil
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True fame

languid linden
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At 0:20 iirc

untold inlet
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i assume it was when there was a ton of stuff from the subreddit

languid linden
languid linden
untold inlet
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ohhh

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anyway twas a very relatable watch (and far less entitled-sounding than the title would suggest)

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but the part about excitement fading to indifference really spoke to me

opaque sigil
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People conflate indifference with patience all the time and even if they are indifferent who cares

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They'll care again when the date is announced

untold inlet
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tc should take as long as they need of course, but after this long i just can't muster up the same excitement i used to. and i guess that's just cause my interests shifted

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however i still do hype myself up to unhealthy levels whenever a direct rolls around

opaque sigil
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Then you aren't indifferent

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Letting SS fade into the back of your head a bit isn't indifference it's just how to wait for something healthily

untold inlet
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i mean idk, in like 2019/early 2020 it was like a consistent interest whereas now it's something i don't think about most of the time. i guess "indifference" may not be the most correct word though

untold inlet
opaque sigil
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Constant interest is unnecessary and arguably not desirable

untold inlet
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agree with that

languid linden
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Geez tammo you have more messages in this channel than I do in the entire server

untold inlet
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i'm not really saying that it's a bad thing that i'm less consistently interested than i used to be, just an observation and something from the video i found relatable

untold inlet
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honestly i look forward to the feeling in the time between the announcement and the release almost as much as the game itself

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i'll probably feel like a little kid again

opaque sigil
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I can't say I share the sentiment but I do think it's valid

burnt topaz
opaque sigil
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Weak

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What, got too much of a life for discord zote

burnt topaz
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yeah thats true

untold inlet
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i have 4361 total messages and 366 total that aren't in this channel

languid linden
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Tammo please tell me how you manage your time well enough to be that active here

coarse leaf
opaque sigil
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I kinda half pay attention to discord while I do homework and whatnot

untold inlet
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this is also my 3997th message in this channel

burnt topaz
untold inlet
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what should i say for my 4000th

opaque sigil
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Discord usually isn't 100% of my focus

languid linden
coarse leaf
opaque sigil
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I'm not even 20 zote

languid linden
burnt topaz
burnt topaz
opaque sigil
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yes Fordo is very old

languid linden
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Definitely very much old ignore what I just said about homework

coarse leaf
burnt topaz
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but how are you doing jack shit if you are on discord grubthink

languid linden
opaque sigil