sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

It's a bit milder than pissed though

[tawdry valley]

Gonna refer to my favorite SS NPC as “la cucaracha” as a legitimate way to endear that npc

[cerulean sable]

slight annoyed essentially

[fathom peak]

what

[cerulean sable]

i draw the line before calling her "Hollow Knight™️: Silksong, from the hit game Hollow Knight™️ and Hollow Knight™️: Silksong"

[gilded adder]

She's called the Princess Protector but that's mainly outside of the game and in promotional material.

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[tawdry valley]

It’s her, miss hollow knight Silksong from the hit game hollow knight silksong

[cerulean sable]

like she might be princess in hallownest, but im pretty sure mr shellhead doesnt give a shit for some self aclaimed royalty of a dead kingdom he doesnt give a fuck about

[stark estuary]

Basically, TK has three "states". After it obtains VH it becomes known as the Lord of Shades (LoS). In DNM, TK takes on a tentacled appearance with horns resembling THK's, the canon name for this is "Void Given Form". The canon name for the eight eyed Void monster in EtV is "Void Given Focus". Both VGFs are forms of the LoS, as is TK in its Vessel body. VGFocus is often referred to as "Shade Lord", but as stated above, this comes from a file name, which is not canon. "Void Entity" is another term to use to both VGFs and this name isn't canon either.

[cerulean sable]

well, not in the early game at least

[tawdry valley]

@stiff owl it’s Pokémon evolution

[stiff owl]

mmmmmmm

a lot less simpler than i thought

i thought the statues were just for swag

[stark estuary]

It's not evolution per se, they're all the LoS.

[tardy raft]

Hornet, Heir to the Throne of Pharloom, Princess Protector of Hallownest, Savior of the Fleas of the Caravan, Liberator of the Haunted, Slayer of the Singer, Weaver of Fate, Tamer of Pharloom's Heart

[tawdry valley]

Yeah and the charmander I named “Chinese takeout” is still “Chinese takeout” when they evolve to a charizard

[cerulean sable]

Daughter of Hallownest is IMO still my favorite title for her

[stiff owl]

best one

[cerulean sable]

it feels like the entirety of the kingdom is on your shoulders

kingdom on your shoulders

The Ocean On His Shoulders - Bioshock OST [HD]

[stiff owl]

is that an ad

[stark estuary]

Okay fair. I assume you meant like, a branched evolution.

[cerulean sable]

could be, your choice

[stiff owl]

idk how to process that

[stark estuary]

Level up TK with VH and you get VGForm. Level up TK while holding the item "Godly focus" and you get VGFocus.

[cerulean sable]

you dont

[tawdry valley]

“Daughter of hallownest”: Ancient/wise NPC
“Little spider”: Antagonistic or Predatory NPC
“Hornet”: friendly/neutral relationship with Hornet NPC
“miss”: the child in bone bottom who you watch get bodied

[stiff owl]

focus is kinda like a mega evolution

[fathom peak]

".....": The Knight

[cerulean sable]

the child in bottom who YOU will body 😎

[tawdry valley]

No; I’m too lazy for that. If they live I’ll finish it though.

[cerulean sable]

i dont give a shite if your house needs 500 rosaries little timmy, i gotta fund my unyielding mosswine addiction

[stiff owl]

isnt hornet you little sister

[tawdry valley]

I c

[stiff owl]

shes like older than elder bug but younger than you

[tawdry valley]

We don’t actually know how old Hornet is (relative to the vessels) because we don’t know when the seals were made in terms of when the vessels were born

[stark estuary]

She might not be younger

[stiff owl]

so all we know is shes older than elderbug

[tawdry valley]

She was born/conceived after the dreamer plan was formed

Whether the plan was put in place before or after the vessels we do not know

[stark estuary]

She's deffo older than Elderbug yeah

[tawdry valley]

Regardless, Hornet and TK are likely similar ages

I’d assume she just laid down and got zoinked after Hornet was born.

[stark estuary]

Vessels don't age anyway so it's irrelevant which is older chronologically. Hornet is older biologically.

[tawdry valley]

Okay but that’s like, what we mean

[stiff owl]

isnt there a dreamer seal on the black egg

[tawdry valley]

Who came first; the spider or the knight

[stark estuary]

There's three

[stiff owl]

thats after the vessels were born

[tawdry valley]

There are three. And the dreamers are sort of a big deal

[stiff owl]

wait

thk had enough time to grow into a full grown vessel

[stark estuary]

We don't know whether the Vessels were born before or after PK had made arrangements with the Dreamers, that's the thing.

[stiff owl]

hornet spent little time with herrah before she was sealed

[tawdry valley]

So did tk.
THK got steroids

[stark estuary]

Vessels don't grow naturally. What DDX said is correct.

[tawdry valley]

We do not know if Hornet was born before or after the vessels were born.

[stiff owl]

thk did spend time training though

[tawdry valley]

Note that THK and Hornet were both trained before all this

[stiff owl]

it couldnt have been like a month after birth

[tawdry valley]

We have no concept of time. She could have been concieved and born in one day or a year

Hornet and the vessels came as a result of a plan to seal rad

[stiff owl]

id say spider biology but thatd make hundreds

[tawdry valley]

Which came first, we don’t know

[stark estuary]

That doesn't mean that PK couldn't have made all of the arrangements for the Dreamers in advance.

Yeah, we just don't know, full stop.

[stiff owl]

he didnt seal them yet though until after thk was ready

[stark estuary]

Yeah but he could have still had the child with Herrah beforehand in order to guarantee her loyalty when the time for that did come around.

[stiff owl]

hornet didnt get enough time with herrah though

[tawdry valley]

Or she didn’t spend time in deepnest

[stark estuary]

We have no concept of time

[stiff owl]

little time before she was sealed and raised by vespa and the mantis lords

[tawdry valley]

That is not canonical

[stark estuary]

Hornet was raised in Deepnest

[tawdry valley]

It’s a scrapped idea for her backstory, and the reason for her name, but her backstory was reworked and her name remained

[stiff owl]

ive been misinformed

[tawdry valley]

Likely due to the hive being moved from deepnest to ke

[stark estuary]

Mantis Lords weren't even part of her scrapped backstory

Three queens were WL, Herrah, Vespa

[stiff owl]

wasnt her room in deepnest also scrapped

[tawdry valley]

I dunno, ML would probably respect Hornet

Spot the detached cell of the twitch hivemind

/s

[stark estuary]

Interestingly though PK seems to have planned for Vespa to become the third Dreamer instead of Herrah. She knows of the Vessel project and says that she declined the offer to play a part in it.

[tawdry valley]

Sounds like a scrapped dreamer moment

[stark estuary]

What that part was is unknown ofc, but it does sound like a scrapped dreamer moment.

[stiff owl]

i keep forgetting who the higher being in the hive was

[tawdry valley]

None

[stiff owl]

wasnt there like 5 higher beings

[stark estuary]

PK, WL, Unn, Rad, NMH are the 5 confirmed ones aside from TKs forms

[tawdry valley]

@stiff owl #hk-lore message

[stiff owl]

unn, pk, wl, hive background, radiance, maybe the scrapped deepnest spider

[stark estuary]

I disagree with this list

[tawdry valley]

We are not sure the vessels are higher beings, btw

[stiff owl]

oh yeah shade lord and nkg

[tawdry valley]

Vessel part? “Probably” was meant to denote “maybe/maybe not”

[stark estuary]

They are not

[warm bone]

"higher beings, these words are for you alone"

[stark estuary]

HB status isn't hereditary and Vessels do not meet the requirement of "existing above all others".

[tawdry valley]

Propaganda tablets

[fiery coral]

they exist below all others

[stark estuary]

Aside from the confirmed ones, LBB, Mister Mushroom, the Gods of Thunder & Rain, and ofc the remaining Wyrms/Roots come to mind as being potential HB candidates.

[stiff owl]

[warm bone]

mr.mushroom is the highest being

[stiff owl]

mr mushroom is a higher being?

[stark estuary]

He unironically is

[fiery coral]

yeah I mean he's literally a mushroom

[tawdry valley]

Compare:
Unn: created creatures in her sleep
Nightmare heart/grimm: feeds off the souls of dying kingdoms and enslaves minds
Pale king: aura literally grants sentience

Vessels: “haha abyss shriek go brrr” and they got abyss shriek from a dead wizard

[fiery coral]

also that jetpack

[stark estuary]

He's both omniscient and immortal

[tawdry valley]

Shadelord, is a Hb. The vessels are not, our vessel is not (until shadelord)

[stark estuary]

Until VH*

[warm bone]

they also eat the radiance (temporarily)

[stiff owl]

is everything that isnt a bug a higher being

[stark estuary]

No

[stiff owl]

if it has sentiance

[warm bone]

there are a lot of mushrooms

[stiff owl]

true

[tawdry valley]

Check this shit out:

[stark estuary]

Higher Beings "exist above all others", which is an extremely vague description, but it's usually taken to mean Godlike beings with special powers.

[tawdry valley]

Maybe the dreamnail counts? But still. Vessels are not Hbs

[fiery coral]

release the bees

[stiff owl]

why is bardoon so big

[stark estuary]

He paid her a large sum of geo as "hush money", that's why there's so much Geo in The Hive

[stiff owl]

he isnt a higher being

[fiery coral]

[tawdry valley]

Hes not. He’s just big.

[stark estuary]

In all seriousness though, she probably couldn't have done much to stop him.

PK was not the type of guy you'd want to oppose

[stiff owl]

but youd expect the bee in the back of the hive to be a hg=igher being

[tawdry valley]

Rad: “oh now you tell me”

[stiff owl]

higher

[tawdry valley]

Large =/= god with metaphysical power

[tawdry valley]

I dunno what to tell you here.

[proud vale]

[fiery coral]

the knight: dies to spikes in King's Pass

[stiff owl]

the shade lord should be a higher being

[stark estuary]

The only Vessel aside from TK whose HB status can be argued is PV, I feel, and even then it's not a particularly strong case.

[warm bone]

maybe #hk-lore would be a better fit for this discussion

[tawdry valley]

The pale king: dies to story contrivance

[stark estuary]

It is

[fiery coral]

[tawdry valley]

Unn: lethargy

[stiff owl]

that means the knight is a higher being

theyre inside the knight

[stark estuary]

With Void Heart, yes, it is.

[warm bone]

void fart

[stiff owl]

why is it still in the knight with bindings

[stark estuary]

Bardoon says it has evolved beyond PK, who we know to be a HB, so, The Lord of Shades and all of its forms must be HBs by proxy.

[tawdry valley]

The shadelord is a product of a ritual that transforms tk into a being capable of consuming gods, because it’s the embodiment of a substance that is “opposed” to light.

The knight, is one of many sentient void creature, who could have attained this.

Not every deposit of uranium is a nuclear bomb.

[stark estuary]

TK with VH is still a HB tho

[stiff owl]

i dont remember the lore getting this deep

[tawdry valley]

Yes, because their will controls said uranium

[fiery coral]

most don't think about it this hard

and then there's #hk-lore

[stiff owl]

dont they not have a will

[stark estuary]

And then there's hell*

[tawdry valley]

Hollowness discussion incoming, I’m out
My spidey senses are tingling, im out

[stark estuary]

They do

[fiery coral]

...and we descend into purity/hollowness discussion

[stiff owl]

"no voice to cry suffering" "no will to break"

[fiery coral]

those are terrible definitions

[stiff owl]

something along those lines

i remember that in the abyss

[stark estuary]

Whether or not a pure/hollow vessel is possible is irrelevant here, what's important is TK, who most definitely does have a will.

That much is stated plainly in game

[fiery coral]

yeah PK does say that

and then he watched THK climb out of the Abyss and follow him out

and then he trains it to wield a nail and fight and all that

[stiff owl]

this is confusing sometimes

[fiery coral]

it is

[tawdry valley]

@stiff owl long long story short:
What was described was the requirements for “hollowness”

A concept that based on a large amount of info might not even be possible

And a quality that has yet to actually be achieved

[fiery coral]

it's vaguely defined

[tawdry valley]

Especially by the knight

[fiery coral]

vaguely/poorly

[stiff owl]

so the only requirement is not being able to think?

[tawdry valley]

Really don’t get into that stuff

[stiff owl]

isnt the pale kings ability to make you think

[fiery coral]

lot of holes in PK's plan and the whole concept in general so I just choose to ignore the faults and go "okay they told me I'm Hollow so I'm Hollow now "

[stiff owl]

ima just blame pk for pissing off radiance

[fiery coral]

not really PK's fault though

PK gave 'em a choice, it was the moths that chose to abandon Rad

[stiff owl]

blame the moths

[fiery coral]

blame Radiance for being an attention seeker

[tawdry valley]

“Mind”: ability to make decisions, sentience/knowledge of self, presence of a “mind” in the context of a dream entity, ability to make decisions independent of what is commanded.

Pick one, none of these work.

[stiff owl]

"this short dude seems cool, lets abandon our actual god for them leading to the death of his kingdom"

[tawdry valley]

More like “holy shit looking at this guy literally made me realize I’m alive, this dude is awesome”

Also, PK likely didn’t even know about rad

The moths are the ones who made the decision/ended up forgetting her

[stiff owl]

radiance was like: "lets kill everybody because im butthurt"

[tawdry valley]

So they literally pulled a moth move and swarmed to the brighter light

[tawdry valley]

No, the infection is likely not even something exclusively a result of she’s commanding

[stiff owl]

why couldnt white lady and pale king fight radiance together

[tawdry valley]

And even if it was, she let all of hn develop in the meantime

[tawdry valley]

Because they could not

[stiff owl]

her dream nail dialouge is lame now

its just her screaming "I DO NOT FEAR YOU"

damn

[tawdry valley]

Okay but she’s also talking to eldritch bathroom cleaner

If a moth screamed “I do not fear you” to a can of raid, I’d argue the moth was pretty badass.

[stark estuary]

"I DO NOT FEAR YOU"

[tawdry valley]

Dead, still badass.

[stark estuary]

two minutes later

[stiff owl]

too true

https://youtu.be/uuG-hW-PyEQ

important

ima head out

its 1 am

[cerulean sable]

lol good job breaching NDA

say goodbye to any future you have in the gaming industry

[stiff owl]

ha

[cerulean sable]

what if you start hearing singing the closer you reach the peak of the citadel

[cunning geode]

what song

[bleak scarab]

its spooky day bois

[potent plover]

I wonder if silksong will come out with challenges as tough as stuff like NKG and PV

pantheon 5 no hit all bindings?

what about pantheon 5 no-hit all bindings no shade soul/mantis claw/Cdash/ismas tear?

I don't even know if that has been tried lol

[frigid geyser]

Pantheon 5 no nail upgrades or spells

[crisp drift]

Mmm Pantheon of Pharloom

[frigid geyser]

pantheon of pharloom featuring plumed rhino

[crisp drift]

PoP
Path of Pain
Pantheon of Pharloom

[frigid geyser]

me when

me when silksong bosses

https://tenor.com/view/cope-coping-im-coping-owl-gif-23369080

[hidden junco]

me too

[cerulean sable]

Hunt your captors. Discover your song.

                          Save a haunted land.

[tawdry valley]

I dunno if that looks weird on purpose but this is what that looks like on mobile:

[cerulean sable]

fuck mobile

[tawdry valley]

I would not recommend it

[cerulean sable]

i never used it

[tawdry valley]

Rather painful.

[tawdry valley]

Oh you meant mobile discord

[cerulean sable]

bruh

[tawdry valley]

[mortal grove]

[modest night]

When do you think theyll stop updating hk

[coarse leaf]

It's sad to know a new 2d metroid game came out before silksong

[heady iron]

never

not until they get rid of all the bugs

[coarse leaf]

Alright now time to relate the word bug into a funny pun

I bet Silksong will have alot of "bugs" in it

[viral pivot]

ba dum tss

[coarse leaf]

I'm gonna need to talk to my psychiatrist about that one

[pliant jackal]

I just had horrible halloween nightmare where SS was changed into mobile game autorunner. after much the loot boxes and season pass costed I woke up in cold sweat in my own screams, it was so vivid too. Truly terrifying.

[minor gale]

Sorry im late to say this I did not have intrnet but if you wanna game to hold you over play Hamachi

[pallid flare]

what

[proud vale]

You can’t play hamachi

[pallid flare]

come on orange, let's play hamachi

[tribal merlin]

play yellow tip mackerel?

yummy but expensive

[fleet temple]

play lazer tag with real guns

[empty trench]

play silksong

[proud vale]

Yeah sweet we can race to hack into each others computers

[coarse leaf]

oh yes thats so romantic Orange great idea

[proud vale]

Thank you Orange

[coarse leaf]

no I'm orange

you're Orange

[pallid flare]

the colour or the fruit?

[coarse leaf]

the colour

[coarse leaf]

Bushie, go see a doctor you might have silkancer

[bleak scarab]

wtf thats horrifying dude

go see a doctor something might be wrong

[pallid flare]

sir this is #sk-discussion

[worn terrace]

sooooo will silksong be more harder than HK ?

so i can actualy play it without raging alot

[opaque sigil]

Well no but maybe kinda

TC's not trying to make a harder game, but considering the added systems and risk/reward approach to combat it may be more complex (and therefore harder to master) regardless

[upper sigil]

its likely to be way more offensive based then defensive

from the early game bosses we saw they are going to be a lot faster

but healing is going to be a lot easier too so

we cant really tell the difficulty

to be honest i would like it being harder then hk so ppl that are hk veterans just dont shred everything

[opaque sigil]

I mean lateral changes in difficulty would prevent HK veterans from shredding everything

[nimble radish]

it's not going to be harder for the sake of hk players

[opaque sigil]

Things like Hornet's size, weight, different abilities, etc aren't easier or harder but they will prevent the HK skillset from applying perfectly

[opaque sigil]

So Team Cherry is not out to make a more difficult sequel, then: they’re hoping for it to be a “comparable” test of skill to Hollow Knight, Pellen says, while Gibson explains that starting with the clean slate of an entirely new kingdom with its own lore and new characters is another way in which Silksong is designed to be “a perfect jumping-on point for new players. We’re trying to be really, really mindful that we want this to be a game that new people can come into, and experience as their first Hollow Knight game – that it sits alongside the original game, and the difficulty also sits alongside the game in that way.”
From Edge, tldr they're trying to make it the same difficulty, in part to make it more accessible as an introduction to the series

They don't expect people to come into it with knowledge and skills from HK

[coarse leaf]

Is it even out?

[fathom peak]

no it's not out yet

[rain scaffold]

Still waiting

[coarse leaf]

Damm

[rain scaffold]

S A D

Is there any new tibits for ss yet?

[fathom peak]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[sweet lotus]

hello fellow Silksong anticipators

[fiery coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-general-kenobi-star-wars-grevious-gif-17774326

[wooden sorrel]

where SS

[olive bobcat]

In another castle

[shy stirrup]

i guarantee you that we will get news before December 31st

[weak sable]

It amazes me that theres been no updates on silksong

[shy stirrup]

I bet my small toe on this

[olive bobcat]

I call dibs

[stark estuary]

It amazes me that every single day, people are amazed that there have been no updates on Silksong

[shy stirrup]

i mean tbf this is the longest we've gone without news

which should hopefully mean that the game is close to launch

[olive bobcat]

4.5 billion B.C. - 2018 A.C. be like

[shy stirrup]

when silksong comes out ill probably just sit on the title screen for like 5 minutes

[lime dome]

The title screen from the demo was great

[shy stirrup]

i really wanna hear the title screen music. Hollow knight has one of my favourites (if not my favourite) main menu theme

[lime dome]

not sure what will be the title screen in the game tho

[shy stirrup]

i imagine itll be something similar

[lime dome]

and that calming and welcoming music

[burnt topaz]

wasnt there a theme or was that fanmade?

[shy stirrup]

fanmade pretty sure

[burnt topaz]

i remember it being pretty lovely regardless

[opaque sigil]

iirc it was official but ended up getting taken down because it broke things or smth similar

[olive bobcat]

Yeah, it's official, just too powerful for TC to handle

[shy stirrup]

ive never had to wait for a game ive been so excited for. for so long

1st world problems

[opaque sigil]

You've never waited more than 2.5 years for a game before

[shy stirrup]

other than botw1/2 i guess

but yeah most games im looking forward to come out like the same year

i guess crowsworn might be one of them but im not super excited for it just yet

[brittle garnet]

I've never waited for a game this long, because with other games it's just like "Oh cool, forgets about it, oh nice it came out" and Silksong is the only one I'm actively anticipating to such degree.

[opaque sigil]

Fair

[burnt topaz]

yeah more or less

[shy stirrup]

after playing metroid dread my hype for silksong has increased further

[trim estuary]

True

[trim estuary]

Haven’t we seen it?

In the E3 demo

[opaque sigil]

I'd be surprised if that was final

[jade canopy]

I think we might be surprised by everything that changed since the demo

Like if we take the differences between the hk demo that was given to the baker and the final product

[trim estuary]

Yeah like moss grotto not being the starting area

[jade canopy]

Or moss grotto not existing

[opaque sigil]

Well overall I expect the early SS material to more closely resemble the final game than the early HK material did but yeah, it'll probably be heavily changed

[signal crag]

agreed

[opaque sigil]

For SS they seem to have had more of an idea going in of what they wanted to make

[trim estuary]

They get rid of sprinting and add back sprinting

[jade canopy]

I wonder if that extend to the lore of the game

[opaque sigil]

Probably

Which would be nice, it kinda shows that their ideas changed as they were making HK

Plus there won't be things like charms that got added at the last second

[signal crag]

oh yeah, that was a thing, huh?

no wonder the balance sucks

[opaque sigil]

Fingers crossed tools'll be better

[signal crag]

if they are not...
dunno, maybe it's just TC that sucks at balancing LMAO

[opaque sigil]

Even if they're not balanced at least there'll probably be more viable options

[trim estuary]

Relatable

[opaque sigil]

tbf balancing is hard as hell

[coarse leaf]

I am becoming patient by waiting 😅

[trim estuary]

Become impatient on December 9th, 2021

[opaque sigil]

I do kinda have concerns about how red tool damage scaling will work but I'm sure there's a way to do that

And ig it wouldn't be the end of the world if some tools did fall off as you get new ones

[brittle garnet]

Take: there will be no damage scaling. For anything.

[opaque sigil]

That's an option

[signal crag]

so....upgrades is the way to go, then?
we know it's a thing, at least for the straight pin

[coarse leaf]

What's coming on dec 9th 🤔

[opaque sigil]

But it does take away some of the feeling of progression when revisiting earlier areas to still need to hit as many times

I'm not convinced the triple pin is mechanically anything aside from a separate tool

[trim estuary]

[trim estuary]

Or a tool upgrade

[coarse leaf]

[opaque sigil]

I'm saying that I don't think it's that necessarily

[signal crag]

personally, i would prefer for the "upgrades" to work more like "sidegrades", having a different function for different situations

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that's certainly the more interesting way to do that

[signal crag]

for example, for the triple pin, each pin would deal slightly less damage than the straight one, but if all three hits the same targets, it has a bigger burst damage potential

so great for bigger targets, of if you are very close to the enemy

[opaque sigil]

Or it has a third of the uses, takes longer to throw, etc

[signal crag]

yeah, ofc there are different ways to differentiate it

so the "upgrade" is more like it's just unlocks a whole new tool, instead of replacing the original

[opaque sigil]

But I do think there'll probably be damage scaling at least for Hornet's needle, which would mean not having increases for the abilities and tools is a bit questionable

[opaque sigil]

Which is what I've been saying

That's actually something I've never seen discussed, the possibility of upgrades to abilities like the silk spear, gossamer storm, etc

Not that there's much to say, I suppose

[signal crag]

i think i only saw someone bring on the "white slot" icons in the reaper screnshot being enhancements for specific abilities, like possibly the silk spear

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that may have been me actually
idk how much merit that argument really has but I just really don't want those abilities to be equipped individually

It would be a pain to have to swap those out, especially if some like the grapple and silk spear are needed for progression in certain spots

[signal crag]

sounds pretty inconvenient

[wary marlin]

Scary Silksong

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, although ig it could be only intermittently so, enough that it's just left in regardless

Like if there aren't enough inputs to accommodate all the abilities being available at once and they have to reduce it, then they have to reduce it

[signal crag]

until we actually have our hands on the game, maybe it's only the idea that sounds bad

[opaque sigil]

There's also that but I really can't see having to go back to a bench bc you had the wrong ability equipped being anything aside from irritating

The only time that can happen in HK is with kingsoul and birthplace and then it explicitly tells you that you need that charm equipped

Before you even go there

[signal crag]

if it's only a specific moment that it can happen, it really not that bad anyway.

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but grapple looks like the sort of thing that has myriad uses and it appeared to be one of the white slots

[signal crag]

oh, right

[opaque sigil]

Silk spear may not be used for progression aside from the one time though

I think those were the two we’ve seen to seemingly go in that space

[modest sequoia]

has the "recent" release date leak for q1 2022 been confirmed or debunked yet

[signal crag]

nothing as of now

[modest sequoia]

what was the date proposed

like march or someth

[opaque sigil]

It's been debunked as a legitimate intended date

[modest sequoia]

by who

[opaque sigil]

nvidia

And a moment's thought

[modest sequoia]

Well im sure they wanna make it look like no harm was done lmao

the fanboy in me wants to believe yk

[opaque sigil]

Even TC wouldn't know the date that far in advance, nvidia definitely wouldn't

[modest sequoia]

Tc can know the date when they want

[opaque sigil]

Not according to their explicit statements regarding it

They can't magically know when it's going to be done

[modest sequoia]

k but they can be done

possibly maybe

[opaque sigil]

It's possible that it will release in February. The leak is not viable evidence for this

[modest sequoia]

a game could be completely finished months before its released. Marketing reasons and maybe playtesting

[opaque sigil]

If it's getting playtested it isn't completely finished

[modest sequoia]

Trust me I don't believe in the leak per se, we already had a failed "leak" from steam a year ago xddd

[opaque sigil]

In terms of marketing it doesn't make sense to just sit on the game for 5-6+ months just for the hell of it

[modest sequoia]

Bro we all know dam well that Tc is as patient as they come

so if they had a reason to develop their marketing scheme for a little longer, they would

[opaque sigil]

Wanting to take their time to make the game good and being willing to just sit around for half a year are not comparable

[modest sequoia]

They could have external delays from nintendo or steam being difficult too

[shy stirrup]

That was a placeholder. Nivida one is also probably a placeholder

[opaque sigil]

Probably.

[modest sequoia]

ye ik

[shy stirrup]

I still think feb is likely tho (hk anniversary, plus announce anniversary)

[modest sequoia]

Its entirely possible that this placeholder would actually come to fruition this time

[shy stirrup]

So its might be a placeholder/rough goal

[opaque sigil]

Same could be said for pretty much any arbitrarily chosen date

If TC did have a rough goal in mind why would they share it with another party

[modest sequoia]

other parties play a big role in a games release

[opaque sigil]

Nvidia's game streaming service plays a big role in release?

[modest sequoia]

idk about nvidia in particular xd

but nintendo, steam, are both gonna be big platforms that the game is launched on

[opaque sigil]

Well steam demonstrably wouldn't be reliable and the leak didn't come from either of those sources anyways

[tawdry valley]

Conclusive Info for release on steam will probably only be uploaded to steam a day or so before

[modest sequoia]

I agree that any placeholder date from anyone either than Tc themselves isnt reliable and not worth treating as gosple

[opaque sigil]

Or whenever it's announced

[tawdry valley]

Even then, that info won’t be public until TC presses a button

[tawdry valley]

That is what I mean.

[modest sequoia]

but that doesnt mean a placeholder date cant be right.

[shy stirrup]

By coincidence

[tawdry valley]

It literally means a placeholder date is just a placeholder

[opaque sigil]

Any randomly selected date can be right

If I say June 15 2022 that can be right, doesn't mean it merits consideration

[shy stirrup]

If I sat silksong will come out on March 9th, 2022, i can possibly be right

[tawdry valley]

In any case, June 15th is on a Tuesday

[shy stirrup]

What day did hk comeout

[opaque sigil]

18th then

There's zero reason to expect SS to come out on the same date as HK

[shy stirrup]

No i mean like weekday

[opaque sigil]

Friday

[shy stirrup]

Ah ok

[tawdry valley]

Yeah it’s a Friday

[opaque sigil]

So is February 1

Anyways can we like go back to talking about abilities or smth release talk is so dull

[fiery coral]

so, tools

[shy stirrup]

The glide ability seams super cool

[opaque sigil]

Toggle or separate buttons?

I think toggle would be annoying

[shy stirrup]

Hopefully separate

Toggle would slow down gameplay so much

[opaque sigil]

Although idk if there are really enough buttons

[nimble radish]

damn console problems

[shy stirrup]

Well some could be combos so like tool 2= l+r

[tawdry valley]

Can’t wait for the boss with wind patterns you can abuse the glide for

[opaque sigil]

I don't think there'll likely be more than two red tools at once equippable tbh

[tawdry valley]

They let you equip strength quickslash, shaman AND fury at the same time

[opaque sigil]

I mean there are also blue and yellow tools

Piling on red tools would be overwhelming, expensive, and eventually have diminishing returns as you don't use all of them

[shy stirrup]

I hope tools give more of an incentive to change your set

[opaque sigil]

Having more blue and yellow ones is more reasonable

[shy stirrup]

With hk, you only really switch out 1 or 2 charms

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, but HK had a much less robust customization system overall

[shy stirrup]

40% of charms were also super situational

[opaque sigil]

Well that's fine, it's when they're exclusively viable in those specific situations that's a bit disappointing

Some things having stronger effects in certain use cases than others is always going to happen

Like pimpillo is going to be strong for crowd control but it could also do enough damage to be viable against bosses, especially nimble ones who might avoid it without the splash damage

Compared to say dcrest which is only useful against BV/LK and for cheesing crystal guardian

[nimble radish]

can beat dung defender but can't beat crystal guardian

[opaque sigil]

ngl I never really learned crystal guardian I always just facetanked it outside of pantheons

It just has so little health

And I always put off CP since it sucks so I'm generally overpowered

[shy stirrup]

Randomizer have made me appreciate crystal peak a lot more

[opaque sigil]

I do hope SS doesn't have "that area" that just sucks to go through every playthrough

Like ofc some will be stronger than others but I actively dislike doing CP

[dusty nimbus]

Crystal guardian is like a rhythm game , you jump when the timing is right

[shy stirrup]

For me its deepnest

[opaque sigil]

Deepnest also isn't that fun imo but it has great atmosphere and at least it doesn't have crystal hunters

[shy stirrup]

I just like how peak looks

[stark estuary]

Deepnest feels so empty

[nimble radish]

instead it has dirtcarvers which are worse

[opaque sigil]

[stark estuary]

It's the second largest area in the game and only has one boss

[opaque sigil]

Deepnest is weird in that it isn't really that big but it takes up a lot of space

[dusty nimbus]

Crystal hunters are what primal aspids are for the community

[nimble radish]

lots of enemies

I don't think you could have the mazelike atmosphere of deepnest if it was much smaller

[dusty nimbus]

I died so many times to crystal hunters in my first playthrough

I believe it goes over 50

Close to 57 and 59

[opaque sigil]

A lot of deepnest is empty space. Distant village, for instance, and the failed tramway. There are only a few rooms that actually utilize the bulk of their space

And a lot of rooms are just offshoots that don't lead back into the area in a different spot

[stark estuary]

Dead ends

And drops

[nimble radish]

dead ends are good they're part of a maze

[opaque sigil]

My point is deepnest is big on the map but in terms of the actual "size" of the area determined by the core rooms it isn't quite so large

Most rooms are empty spaces, dead ends, or access points to other areas

So it's big on the map but there isn't that much meat there

[dusty nimbus]

The hive doesn't seem big on the map but it feels big on the inside and it doesn't even have that many important rooms

How is that possible?

[opaque sigil]

It's fairly large on the map

[nimble radish]

it's The Meat

[stark estuary]

The Hive is a pocket dimension.

[opaque sigil]

Hive is also pretty compact

It's wrapped pretty tightly around itself

And ofc there are a lot of goddamn bees to get through so it takes time to go through it

[stark estuary]

It also helps that The Hive happens to have a super unique aesthetic

The entirety of Deepnest feels rather samey

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it's kinda surreal compared to the bulk of other areas

[dusty nimbus]

I think that because the Ancient Basin and Kingdom's Edge are right next to it, I don't recognize how big it is

[opaque sigil]

Dreary cavern, dreary cavern, dreary cavern, and then bam

[white socket]

i like Deepnest

[stark estuary]

Bees

[white socket]

it feels like you shouldn't be there

[nimble radish]

floating background platforms

[stark estuary]

Also Hive Knight is cool

[white socket]

SS release date rumours - Feb 2022 yes?

[opaque sigil]

Deepnest's atmosphere is all but impeccable, it's just that the gameplay there isn't the most enjoyable

[stark estuary]

Same applies to Deepnest's only boss. Great buildup, meh fight.

[white socket]

certain rooms for sure. Nosk though is one of the best bosses in the game. and i like the forgotten village too

[opaque sigil]

Hopefully SS is a bit more even wrt how fun areas are

[opaque sigil]

.

[white socket]

I enjoyed the Nosk fight. Music was incredible, boss was cool, not super hard but not super easy

[opaque sigil]

Nosk is an amazing setup for an unremarkable fight. Not a bad one, just not a good one

[white socket]

meh, disagree

[opaque sigil]

ok

[white socket]

mechanics wise it's not that complex

[stark estuary]

Compare Nosk to MLs, who also had good build-up, the difference is that the build-up there actually pays off.

[white socket]

but i judge a lot of HK by the emotions and feelings the game inspires

[opaque sigil]

Quality of bosses is inherently subjective, people don't have to like the same ones

[white socket]

and Nosk is up there for that

[opaque sigil]

Nosk is a great setup and has great atmosphere, I'm not disagreeing there

[white socket]

HK is just a giant feels journey for me. That's what puts it in my top 5 of all time

[opaque sigil]

It's freaky as hell the first time you encounter it

[white socket]

i hope SS captures that too

[stark estuary]

Nosk has the second best build-up of any boss in the game, imo.

[opaque sigil]

From what we've seen SS has a very different but very much impressive atmosphere

[white socket]

who do you have as no 1?

[stark estuary]

The Hollow Knight

[white socket]

SS definitely looks like it is going to feel more hopeful and boisterous and less melancholy/bittersweet

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, although there are some drearier spots like Greymoor that are evocative of the same sorts of feelings that HK was

[white socket]

the Knight is kind of this doomed character in HK who i really feel for by the end of the game

[nimble radish]

deepnest has two bosses technically

[opaque sigil]

Galien can go to hell

[stark estuary]

I consider Galien to be a mini-boss

[nimble radish]

he's already dead

[opaque sigil]

Like the closest HK ever got to this sort of aesthetic was blue lake

And blue lake is nice and all but it's just one room

[stark estuary]

Greenpath but replace the water with burning acid

And add some more thorns

[white socket]

yeah see this just already looks much brighter and colourful which lends to a more emotionally positive feeling aesthetic

[opaque sigil]

For comparison

[tawdry valley]

Yeah the env art is looking sick

[opaque sigil]

the backgrounds especially are much more detailed and vibrant

[white socket]

man I'm so excited the wait is almost over. i feel for the peeps who have been waiting since 2017

[opaque sigil]

Well, we don't know that the wait is almost over

[stark estuary]

Who told you the wait was almost over

[white socket]

the Nvidia leaks

[stark estuary]

Also, in the grand scheme of things we really haven't been waiting that long.

[opaque sigil]

Those don't hold much weight

[white socket]

i feel like they'll be accurate. but if i'm wrong then whatever, nbd. I don't think we'll be waiting into 2023, I'll put it that way

[opaque sigil]

2023 would only be like 5 years after godmaster released, that's not inconceivable

[stark estuary]

If SS released in 2023 it'll still have been in development for a very reasonable amount of time

[white socket]

5 years?

[random fox]

I still think 2021 is a possibility

[opaque sigil]

And yeah they were supposedly working on SS before but that probably wasn't a priority and tbh I wouldn't be surprised if it was just in the same capacity they're working on their next game, just accumulating ideas and stuff

[stark estuary]

How long do you think games take to make?

[white socket]

that's an impossible question to answer

[stark estuary]

5 years is a normal amount of time for a AAA publisher, TC has 3 people.

[white socket]

yeah but they're not making an AAA game

[random fox]

Release date on game awards and release late december is possible

[opaque sigil]

Actual rigorous progress on SS probably didn't start until after godmaster released imo, especially since there was such a rush to do the updates

[fiery coral]

TGA hope gang 🤝

[opaque sigil]

Doesn't really matter. 3 people making a game of the sheer scale of SS is a tall order

[random fox]

@fiery coral go away u ruined discussion channel with puns

[stark estuary]

It certainly has the scale of one

[fiery coral]

"Ruined"?

I believe I enriched it, personally.

[random fox]

Yes u pun fiend

[white socket]

no denying that but i reckon they had a lot of useable stuff for SS off the back of HK so you have to consider that as well

[stark estuary]

Not really?

[opaque sigil]

Well they got a new coder, so he might have wanted to rebuild things himself, and even if the basic, basic stuff carried over there's still a ton of work to do

[random fox]

Kinda feel like if the game was delayed to 2022 they wouldve alredy told us

[opaque sigil]

There's no precedent for that

[stark estuary]

How is it delayed if we don't have a release date

[white socket]

not denying they have a lot of work to do, but also saying they started with nothing is definitely not accurate

[random fox]

Wasnt it supposted to release 2021?

[opaque sigil]

Whether or not they started with literally nothing is immaterial, they still have to build the game from the ground up

[fiery coral]

not supposed to, nah

[random fox]

Ah ic, well 2021 still possible

[opaque sigil]

It was never "supposed" to release at any time

[fiery coral]

All we got was a "soon" from Nintendo and the Treehouse lady

which to be fair I can see why people took it the way they did

But yeah at the end of the day TC aren't bound to that

[random fox]

Nintendo got a different meaning for soon

[fiery coral]

Or anyone

[white socket]

ultimately we can speculate all day here but i would be very surprised if we didn't see it next year. I also never expected it to release this year, even back in 2020

[stark estuary]

Nintendo Treehouse strikes again

[opaque sigil]

Imagine making a slip of the tongue in passing and having people still reference it three years later

[tawdry valley]

When has a game release ever been described as “later” though

[opaque sigil]

[fiery coral]

[stark estuary]

"I don't know" is an answer.

[opaque sigil]

And you know a couple years could still be considered "soon" by industry standards

It's a relative term

[random fox]

Ok now i feel like not alot of ppl consider soon to be a couple years, unless they are making smth that would take like 20 years to make

[fiery coral]

yes which is why people can interpret it different ways

[stark estuary]

I don't think Nintendo or the Treehouse lady actually knew when it would be expected to release

[white socket]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[opaque sigil]

Probably not

[fiery coral]

regardless if you say "soon" you can't really expect people to ignore it

[random fox]

Yea, thats why i wonder why they said it

[stark estuary]

Slip of the tongue

[opaque sigil]

But they likely didn't mean "within two years" when they said "soon," it's just the standard language

[fiery coral]

They most likely didn't

[random fox]

How can it be a slip of the tongue, these trailers take a while to make and have to be greenlighted before releasing them, did nobody question it

I think it could be more cuz nintendo just doesnt give a shit

[opaque sigil]

The host didn't say it in a trailer

[white socket]

I read an interview with TC a while back where they basically said they don't engage online at all or follow online at all

[dusk bay]

Gotta remember a pandemic happened ._ .

[opaque sigil]

And again it's standard language, this really isn't that abnormal

[nimble radish]

they said "silksong is coming soon" with nothing else, obviously it's meaningless

[fiery coral]

Pandemic didn't affect them that much

[coarse leaf]

it was a live stream, its easy to make a mistake, and plus it was just casual conversation

[opaque sigil]

"Coming soon" can just be taken to mean "this game will come out in the foreseeable future"

[white socket]

so I would expect to go from hearing nothing to a released game without much warning

[fiery coral]

or at least, Leth said something to that effect

[stark estuary]

"Foreseeable future"? Is that a hint that PK will appear in the game?

[opaque sigil]

I mean there'll probably be some warning though shadow dropping is an option under the right circumstances

[dusk bay]

On the bright side, no way itll be as long as the gap between psychonauts 1 and 2

[fiery coral]

[opaque sigil]

hornet foresight hornet foresight

[white socket]

my justification for that is that i dont think TC care about marketing at all 😛

[nimble radish]

the unforeseeable future

[random fox]

Shadow dropping is an opinion but i doubt there would be a time where it would be better than showing it on an event

[opaque sigil]

They do

[stark estuary]

No

[white socket]

convince me

[nimble radish]

hey Leth did you hear that, they don't care about you

[fiery coral]

Hornet foresaw she'd be out of the Black Egg anyway so she pretended to be unconscious during Sealed Siblings

[opaque sigil]

They have to sell the game in order for people to play it

[stark estuary]

Holy shit, Blackwyrm?

[random fox]

Leth exists

[white socket]

who is Leth

[fiery coral]

she knew TC would write in the seal breaking bugs

[radiant wraith]

Leth is Leth

[warm bone]

deez nuts

[nimble radish]

hello gaming

[random fox]

Bannable offence right here mr mod

[stark estuary]

Yeah, and PK foresaw that TK would obtain VH and kill Rad that way. It's all coming together.

Actually... what if Hornet is the reincarnation of the PK

[white socket]

a google search reveals nothinbg

[opaque sigil]

Leth's like the marketing guy

[random fox]

Game awards only 40 days away we will get news for sure this time trust

[warm bone]

pr guy

[dusk bay]

Nop

[fiery coral]

[dusk bay]

Dont believe

[random fox]

Hopium over copium

[stark estuary]

Hope is a dangerous thing.

[dusk bay]

Mark my words, if silksong is shown at game awards, I will consume ghost pepper chip

I am very confident we wont see anything

[random fox]

Any screenshotters in chat

[coarse leaf]

they had edge, apwot, treehouse and the trailer, all were fairly large marketing stunts, "except maybe apwot"

[stark estuary]

If Silksong is shown at the game awards, I will consume Silksong.

[opaque sigil]

APWOT wasn't a silksong marketing thing

[random fox]

Theres no reason for any company to not want publicity, unless they are doing smth ilegal

[coarse leaf]

yh mb

[tawdry valley]

#sk-discussion message

[fiery coral]

Agony

[opaque sigil]

It's kinda true that marketing isn't a priority atm but, well, they're still making the game. There'll be time to worry about optimal release timing/event coincidence/whatever when the game is ready

[stark estuary]

what the fuck

[white socket]

i don't disagree. just feels like HK and SS's best marketing tool is WoM

[opaque sigil]

Shoulda made that your October pfp since that's terrifying

[white socket]

that's how i found out about it and that's how I've recommended it to other people

[tawdry valley]

It was one of the alternatives

[opaque sigil]

That's a part of it but you aren't likely to reach as many new players through word of mouth as through large events

[random fox]

I feel like the game is so big that it wont rly matter alot about when they release it no?

[tawdry valley]

It matters

[white socket]

I count youtube as WoM so not sure about that

[opaque sigil]

Eh, kinda. They'll probably be successful whenever they release but the extent to which they are would vary

[white socket]

SS gonna make $$$$$

so many rabid fans at this point, and HK is one of the best games of all time

[opaque sigil]

Youtube isn't going to randomly recommend a ton of people trailers for a game which they haven't already suggested some interest in

And a trailer posted to youtube isn't word of mouth that's like a poster

[random fox]

Ik it matters, but will it really make a noticable difference for a game of this size

[tawdry valley]

Yes

[white socket]

I found out about HK by it coming up on a random youtube video about hard boss fights, which then led me to HK content creators on youtube

[tawdry valley]

Meaning it matters, lol

[white socket]

i wasn't meaning paid for trailers. I meant WoM via a breadcrumb trail of people mentioning it

[opaque sigil]

It matters yeah

[white socket]

which youtube is v good at providing

[opaque sigil]

It matters but it's not like SS is going to be a total flop if it doesn't release at the optimal time

[tawdry valley]

If there aren’t any advertisements for HK, then knowledge of HK can only come from word of mouth and sources like YouTube

[random fox]

Events are important for ppl who have heard of the game but arent rly interested in it i think, yea normal yt vids can help but idk if they help as much

[tribal merlin]

tho I doubt TC would see it as a success if it just wasn't a total flop

[dusk bay]

It definitely wont happen, but skins or lil accessories for hornet would be cool

[tawdry valley]

HK being on YouTube is a result of marketing

[tawdry valley]

Custom knight will probably pull through again

[opaque sigil]

I mean crests are accessories but they aren't visible

[tribal merlin]

they're like calvin klein underwear

[random fox]

I just cant wait for the game journalists saying it sucks cuz their dog couldnt beat it blindfolded

[opaque sigil]

But anyways I don't think alternate skins and appearance modifications would really add much to the experience

[tribal merlin]

it's the wrong type of game for that yeah

[dusk bay]

"Metroid dread bad, not worth 60 dolar, eeee"

[opaque sigil]

And it'd be a lot of work

[tribal merlin]

lot of wasted work since most fans probably don't care

[opaque sigil]

And those that do can mod it in

[random fox]

Tbh dread is def not worth 60, most bosses are copy pastes, emmis get boring and its short

Id pay like 30 for it

[opaque sigil]

Dread is irrelevant

[dusk bay]

30?? Nawwww

[tribal merlin]

how big was the team developing dread and how long did it take them

[opaque sigil]

[stark estuary]

I'd pay 20, but it's Nintendo so

[tribal merlin]

is what you should factor into what it's worth

[dusk bay]

You know what's not worth $60?

Every sports title released in the past 5 years

[white socket]

playing Dread atm and it took a while to get into it. Controls are jank, didn't like the intro to the game

[stark estuary]

Excellent argument

[opaque sigil]

If it takes 1000 people 10 years to make a 5hr game idc how much money went into it it isn't worth it to the consumer (numbers arbitrary)

[white socket]

also it feels like I'm playing a $40 CAD game but they charged me $90

[random fox]

That doesnt change my expirience tho, game price should be based on how good the expirience is, biomutants is a shitty open world game with 5 characters, all same enemies and shit voicelines, is it worth 60 cuz it took them time to make it?

[tribal merlin]

if the producer needed to license "metroid" then I bet that's already $20 on its own

[white socket]

Nintendo tax at this point is fucking obscene

[stark estuary]

"Every sports title that isn't worth $60 is sold for $60, therefore Dread should be $60."

[opaque sigil]

Can y'all just like #off-topic? Dread talk is just dumb

[fiery coral]

I don't think they were relating it to Dread-

[tribal merlin]

if I make you food with expensive ingredients but you "didn't like the experience" I'm still gonna charge you for it

[warm bone]

TRUE

[dusk bay]

That wasnt the argument ya numbnuts, I was just sayin sports titles shouldnt be so expensive

[warm bone]

now shoo, scram

[opaque sigil]

But it doesn't mean the consumer should be satisfied with the experience

[tribal merlin]

still doesn't mean it isn't worth the price

[stark estuary]

And neither should Dread but yeah, #off-topic

[random fox]

Sports titles should be sold as 5$ dlc that gives u 2 more pixels each year

[opaque sigil]

Value is subjective and determined by different factors depending on perspective

[tribal merlin]

if you order yellowfin tuna sushi and you find out you really hate it it's still gonna be expensive

[fiery coral]

no way, off topic talk being forbidden in #sk-discussion??

[dusk bay]

[stark estuary]

[opaque sigil]

I mean when you hijack a SS discussion to talk about dread they probably should be

[dusk bay]

Jo mama

[coarse leaf]

i reckon its more like paying for a yellowfish tuna dish only to find its been butchered

[random fox]

Ofc its been butchered do u expect to get a whole 2 meter fish

[tribal merlin]

well if it isn't what it's advertised as then it's fraud
and in that case absolutely get your money back

and shutdown the goddamn restaurant

୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨consumers rise up ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨

[signal crag]

Do you guys think it's Hollow Knight that's TOO underpriced, or it's every other game that's overpriced?

[white socket]

Hollow knight was cheap

[tribal merlin]

I think HK is fairly priced and I could argue that most AAA $60 games are underpriced

[white socket]

And I think that the price reflects who they have to pay

[dusty nimbus]

Or I could slap you with the fish

[random fox]

I think hk is underpriced, wouldnt say 60 for a top of the line is overpriced at all since u are paying for something that u will enjoy and keep forever, that doednt mean overpriced games dont exist tho

[white socket]

They made an insane game and sold a bunch of copies so probs millionaires now

[tribal merlin]

well I have expensive tastes in fish so bring your wallet

[white socket]

I cant imagine SS being 20 CAD

[tribal merlin]

yeah because it won't release in canada

[random fox]

I doubt tc would make it more than 30

[white socket]

Lol

[dusty nimbus]

I'll bring something, I'll bring a whale down on you

[white socket]

I would pay whatever they charge at this point

[random fox]

100k

[tribal merlin]

whales are fish?

[white socket]

No questions asked

[dusty nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/mae-do-marco-mãe-do-marco-gif-20779134

[dusk bay]

Would be fine if ss was $60

[random fox]

Whales are so mejestic but why tf are they mamals and not fish

[dusk bay]

Warm bois

[opaque sigil]

Making it that high could seriously hurt their sales

[random fox]

Idc they should be fish

[tribal merlin]

so if you calculate for HK, after taxes and platform fee each dev of the team gets about $3 a copy. Do you think that's what an AAA dev gets from the $60 copy?

[dusk bay]

Unless we each buy ten copies

[white socket]

Love that post by them. Fucking legends

[tawdry valley]

Fish evolved to land animals, some land animals then evolved to fish

Whales are one of those land animals that then evolved back into the ocean.

[white socket]

0%

[tawdry valley]

Yes seriously.

[random fox]

They should be fish then

[dusk bay]

Are fish warm or cold blooded?

[tribal merlin]

whales have warm blood and breathe air

[dusty nimbus]

Whales are weaklings who couldn't stay on land so they reverted back to water animals

[random fox]

AAA devs prob get less cuz there are way more ppl making an AAA game

[tribal merlin]

fish don't
also something something path of some nerves around the neck in fish vs mammals

[dusty nimbus]

A whale heart is amazing

[tribal merlin]

exactly, so if you compare HK and an AAA game price wise that has to factor in

[random fox]

Idc about biology whales should be fish

[opaque sigil]

ngl that's more than I thought it would be

[tribal merlin]

I'd say $3 is an upper bound

[opaque sigil]

That stuff only knocking off like $6 is not very much

[random fox]

Look at monkey and look at whale, do they look similar in any way

[dusk bay]

Yes

[random fox]

No

[dusk bay]

👀

[tribal merlin]

well I think steam fee is something like 20% and VAT in EU is about 20% so that's how I got that number

[dusk bay]

They both have fins and like banan

[random fox]

Steam takes like 20% or 30 i think

[tribal merlin]

not 30% lul

[random fox]

20 then?

[tribal merlin]

yep

at least it was last time I looked

[opaque sigil]

Supposedly it's 30 but internet can be wrong

[dusk bay]

I think 30 is right

[warm bone]

guys I watched dune last night and the big worm was cool

[random fox]

Worm

[dusk bay]

:0

[opaque sigil]

But even if TC loses like 50% of each sale they still sold millions of copies and made millions each

[random fox]

Is hk on epic store? Cuz they got different system there

[tribal merlin]

yeah seems to be 30% atm

epic was 12% or something

[dusk bay]

And that's precisely why cyberpunk should be $80 ||||

[coarse leaf]

Nah man, cyberpunk was rushed and when you code in such a hurry its bound for things to break, 80$ is not worth a broken game.

[tribal merlin]

I'd say that goes in the "not as advertised" category and at least borders on fraud

but since there's no legal consequences for publishers that do preorders and deliver shit I guess they'll just go on and on

[coarse leaf]

Steam should make a law against shitposting

[tribal merlin]

steam can't make laws

they can only do TOS

[coarse leaf]

Sorry, change to tos

[nimble radish]

steam is very much a hands off platform

[opaque sigil]

Which is about the same functionally

[dusk bay]

I thought the made it clear I wasnt serious :[

[tribal merlin]

you're asking me to hack this discord to change your post?

[coarse leaf]

Most companies these days are yeah, youtube have an algorithm that almost does not involve men

[tribal merlin]

not at all since all steam can do is ban you indefinitely, a court can do much more

[coarse leaf]

Sorry, misunderstood

[opaque sigil]

A court can ban you from life

[coarse leaf]

In most democratic countries it does not

But yeah it can happen

[cunning geode]

being imprisoned kinda is being banned from life in certain countries

[tribal merlin]

also they can slap you with a fine so high you'll only be able to keep a minimum of your earnings for yourself

[coarse leaf]

Im glad im living in israel jesus christ

[random fox]

Bing chilling

[coarse leaf]

Things are peaceful here unlike what the media says

[cunning geode]

anyways

segue into Grindle discussion

[coarse leaf]

Grindlesong is gonna be huge

You cant spell grindle without the word GRIND

grindle - primitive long-bodied carnivorous freshwater fish with a very long dorsal fin;

[tribal merlin]

around where I live the suffix "-le" means "small" so it isn't that big of a grind

[trim estuary]

yeah that’s a pretty long dorsal fin

[coarse leaf]

Does hornet have a dorsel fin?

[trim estuary]

You cant spell grindle without the word GRIND
Grindlesong is gonna be a looter shooter

[coarse leaf]

Fuck

[coarse leaf]

You grind for le fish

[random fox]

Grindge looks nice, i wanan hug grignel

[trim estuary]

[trim estuary]

This is an emoji that exists

[random fox]

I hate whoever made that emote

[coarse leaf]

Grindge looks kinda cringe thats a joke lets binge

[random fox]

Dam that shit was fire 🔥 🔥 🔥
Now put it out

[cunning geode]

🤨

[random fox]

Bro?

[trim estuary]

A fluke

[random fox]

Questionable behaviour

[coarse leaf]

Sorry, i shall remove the evidence

[dusk bay]

Wat happened

[tribal merlin]

mods have chat logs

[cunning geode]

...carry on

[coarse leaf]

Anywaysssss

[random fox]

Do u think fish tastes good

[dusk bay]

Not really
Well it depends

[stoic path]

so you guys like Eclairs

[potent plover]

so mods can see every one of my deleted messages?

[pallid flare]

yes

[random fox]

I myself, think fish is rather scrumptious no matter how its made

[coarse leaf]

Ill put it out with my wire, cant stop spitting hot fire

[potent plover]

oh

[pallid flare]

don't say anything stupid and you'll be fine

[dusk bay]

Why fish messages gone -. -

[potent plover]

too late

[tribal merlin]

as always it isn't just the raw material, it's what you make with it
in the case of boiled salmon with strawberries and banana mayonnaise the answer is a resounding "no"

[random fox]

What about fruit, whats ur favourite fruit

[coarse leaf]

I'll be totally honest

I forgot this game exists

Passiflora edulis

[tribal merlin]

what game

[potent plover]

casual ss-discussion of nothing about SS

[dusk bay]

Halo 4 final boss fight is better than any hollowknight boss

If you know, you know

[cunning geode]

Halo 4 is pretty bleh

[random fox]

All mods typing the ban command rn

[dusk bay]

Yeah, but that 2 button quick time event final boss 😫

[stoic path]

I mean you could just say Passion Fruit but okay

[coarse leaf]

Only full name allowed for my favorite fruit

[random fox]

Is avocado a fruit

[stoic path]

Passion Fruit is a full name, no?

[potent plover]

anyways gonna suffer to PV again, can't wait to be killed infinite times by silksong bosses

[coarse leaf]

Yes

[stoic path]

Passiflora edulis is scientific

[coarse leaf]

google says yes

[dusk bay]

Idk, I need to try all fruits in a day to decide

[cunning geode]

a lot of plants we eat are fruit and we just dont call them that

[stoic path]

Good luck to your stomach

[random fox]

Cool, well they overated

[coarse leaf]

We call it passiflora in israel, using its scientific name

[stoic path]

oh cool

[random fox]

Do u call water H2O

[coarse leaf]

Woah woah dont get crazy

Lol

[stoic path]

The H really went to O

[random fox]

Oi jim pass me a glass of H2O

[dusty nimbus]

Apple

[random fox]

Apples with cinamon and honey slap

[dusty nimbus]

No wait, grapes

[dusk bay]

Which kind

[dusty nimbus]

Yeah

[coarse leaf]

Black grapes best

[random fox]

Grapes and coconut best fruit

[dusty nimbus]

Pink lady apples I think

[dusk bay]

Watermelon slaps, but it goes bad soooo fast

[manic fiber]

Mango

[random fox]

Fresh coconut bussin bussin

[tawdry valley]

The best grape is the banana. Cry about it

[stoic path]

Mango

[manic fiber]

Mango

[random fox]

Watermelon overated, normal melons better

[dusty nimbus]

Not really

[coarse leaf]

Banana is not a grape its a berry

[dusk bay]

I thought banana was sedimentary

[manic fiber]

Monke origin

[dusty nimbus]

That's mainly for the juice

[tawdry valley]

Depends on how far you throw it

[random fox]

So most sold = best?

[manic fiber]

Can we juice bananas?

[random fox]

Nah, fresh coconut flesh is amazing

[stoic path]

RETURN TO MONKE

[opaque sigil]

I mean can you propose a better objective measure

[manic fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-animation-monkeymeme-gif-20175736

[dusty nimbus]

Funny how you think I give a fuck about other peoples opinions

[tawdry valley]

This is fair, coconut is never fresh in stores and the first time I had it fresh it was orgasmic.

[tribal merlin]

banana is also the fruit most likely to go extinct in the blink of an eye

[coarse leaf]

Cannonically we are monke

[random fox]

U squish any fruit that isnt banana u get juice
U squish banana u get mushy banana
I dont trust it

[manic fiber]

No way

[coarse leaf]

Homosepians

[dusty nimbus]

Pog

[tawdry valley]

Weakness in global supply chain moment

[manic fiber]

Homo

[tribal merlin]

more genetic weakness moment

[opaque sigil]

dying planet moment

[manic fiber]

[dusty nimbus]

Banana pandemic moment

[dusk bay]

Anyone wanna create a new banana republic
👉👈🥺

[tawdry valley]

Global supply chain thing. There used to be a time where there were like 12 kinds of banana you could get in a store. The market now only sells one banana cause it looks nice and sells well

[tribal merlin]

no but now I want Hornet to start a fight by yelling "BANANANA"

[coarse leaf]

The cancelled has decided your fate

[random fox]

Bananas might be the most sold cuz they also in so much shit, like cereal, oatmeal, smoothies and more

[opaque sigil]

But having that sort of genetic homogeny can be bad

[coarse leaf]

Git banan!

[tawdry valley]

Yeah. That’s the point I’m making

[opaque sigil]

So it's both

[manic fiber]

Banana are also cheap and easy to grow

[dusk bay]

So is sprite

[dusty nimbus]

That won't be new it will just be "The first banana republic" because the history of the banana industry run for a very long while on Dictatorships from the banana companies

[tawdry valley]

If farms expand enough in a way that leads to it being exposed to a disease it’s not used to, bananas(these ones specifically) could literally be wiped off the planet

[tribal merlin]

but that isn't really a supply chain issue since all links of the chain would still work except the banana that's gone

[opaque sigil]

Plus monocultures are just generally not a great idea

[coarse leaf]

Sprite and bananas work as well as blitch lemon flavoured

[random fox]

Avocadoes are overated

[dusk bay]

Fine, wanna make a banana regime?

[coarse leaf]

Avocadoes

[tawdry valley]

Fun fact, out of the hundred or so edible grains, wheat is one of the least nutritious and also the most grown, exclusively because it’s easy to make into bread

[dusk bay]

Never had, guacamole scary

[dusty nimbus]

No, I wanna enjoy the other fruits I don't dislike

[coarse leaf]

They are good if you know how to cook, raw and invidually of course they suck

[manic fiber]

: 0

Baked bananaa

[random fox]

Avocadoes are mostly eaten raw tho

[tribal merlin]

but avocados are funny because there's a medical condition called "avocado hand" where people plant a knife through their hand while trying to get the pit out

[random fox]

And even with other food they add nothing but mushiness

[cunning geode]

you're all gonna love when i tell ya that biologically wheat is also a fruit

[dusk bay]

Frozen chocolate covered banana

[manic fiber]

😩

[coarse leaf]

Yes, but most of the time with the combination of tomato, salt and pepper.

[tawdry valley]

Avocadoes on their own are garbage. Mushy paste and tasteless. Add some seasoning, like lemon or garlic, 🤌

Also guacamole isn’t bad

[dusk bay]

Just eat lemon and garlic at that point

[coarse leaf]

Exactly

[manic fiber]

Agreed

[tribal merlin]

sounds like you never paid $8 for an avocado

[random fox]

Atleast its not a raw tomato i guess

[coarse leaf]

Oh i have

[dusk bay]

Tomatoes suck

[random fox]

Raw tomatoes are vile, idk how ppl put whole slices of tomatoes in their sandwiches

[tawdry valley]

Tomatoes are like the best thing this planet grows

[dusk bay]

No

[tawdry valley]

I will literally die on this hill

[white socket]

avacados are amazing

[dusk bay]

Potato better

[coarse leaf]

Dont, tomatoes have one of the best tastes if you know what youre doing

[random fox]

Cooked tomatoes good raw tomatoes evil