sk-discussion

[haughty ingot]

i forgor

[nimble radish]

the answer is neither, it takes place during the events of Hollow Knight

[lament drum]

hello music

[coarse leaf]

all of the above

its an interquel

[lament drum]

soulslike

[mortal mango]

but they arent in the same place and we see hornet many times in the story in places she isnt in in silksong and it is clearly a different kingdom

[nimble radish]

yeah hornet goes to pharloom and does silksong then comes back to hallownest

[lament drum]

surely its a prequel if tc have stated all hk endings to be equally canonical - how would they explain a chronological sequel with the sealed siblings ending?

[mortal mango]

if it were at the same time then she wouldnt be able to be there in a lot of places

so it is a prequel most likely

[mortal mango]

actually good point

[nimble radish]

hallownest is in like a time bubble so hornet leaves and returns within seconds

[opaque sigil]

Lori's joking

[nimble radish]

damn you ruined the fun

[mortal mango]

e

[opaque sigil]

But all endings being canon doesn't mean it has to be a prequel

[tired lake]

Lore has been dried out completely, what do we talk about

[nimble radish]

interquelsong

[mortal mango]

but if it is a sequel then how would she be there if the sealed siblings ending happened, surely they took that into consideration right?

[burnt atlas]

Wait, in Silksong do you start at the top or bottom of Pharloom?

[opaque sigil]

They already hinted at a possibility of escape by showing the seal breaking bugs

[coarse leaf]

^^^^^^^^^^

[opaque sigil]

Towards the bottom

[lament drum]

even if the black egg temple is broken open sometime in the future, does hornets mask being sealed into the entrance not imply a similar fate as those of the dreamers? i apologise if im wrong on this, im not all too great with lore stuff

[burnt atlas]

and you work your way upwards?

[opaque sigil]

The death of a dreamer breaks the seal. That doesn't necessarily mean that the breaking of a seal directly kills the dreamer

[lament drum]

ah ok, thank you

[opaque sigil]

In that general direction, yeah, if only in that the end of the game is towards the top

[burnt atlas]

where's the final boss set?

[opaque sigil]

It seems like at the top

[mortal mango]

what even is the fucking final boss

[burnt atlas]

barney the dinosaur?

[mortal mango]

oh yes

[burnt atlas]

Silksong getting the bayonetta 3 treatment of "no news"

no riddles don't count as news

[opaque sigil]

Well, they do. And SS has already had enough news at this point that even if they don't release more you can't really compare it to a game like bayonetta three

[mortal mango]

we dont even know the lore also the only thing driving the lore and hornet is not saving anything its to get back to hallownest

[opaque sigil]

Well, she might feel a sort of connection to Pharloom as the ancestral home of the weavers, the group which had a hand in raising her

[burnt atlas]

you guys are lucky they didn't just show a teaser image of hornet, announce silksong and not show anything for 4 years

[nimble radish]

no I think that would be better

then at least we wouldn't get people saying "but it looked so finished in the trailer"

[gloomy meteor]

Does silksong have a release date already?

[burnt atlas]

nope

[gloomy meteor]

Dam

[nimble radish]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[gloomy meteor]

Oh thanks

I heard it'll come out at the start of 2022 but that ain't confirmed so i'm not relying on it

[burnt atlas]

and have mossbag theorize every pixel in the trailer

[wind rover]

My current guess is late 2022 early 2023

[gloomy meteor]

That would be annoying

I think cherry games said most of the game is done didn't they?

[burnt atlas]

2022...man we're eating good when that year drops, hope i don't jinx anything

[wind rover]

With the caveat it may also be a good decade or 2 with no news and then it comes out and js absolutely garbo

[gloomy meteor]

Cyberpunk 2.0

[burnt atlas]

is cyberpunk still a buggy as hell mess?

[wind rover]

Yes

[gloomy meteor]

Yes

[burnt atlas]

wait huh? they didn't bother fixing anything??

[wind rover]

It prolly always will be, infact there will prolly be a point where it gets worse then it was at launch somehow

[opaque sigil]

SS isn't going to end up like cyberpunk

[wind rover]

Nah, itll be like Chinese democracy

[gloomy meteor]

Amen to that

[opaque sigil]

I mean it really can't. Cyberpunk was the result of the whole corporate nightmare. TC doesn't have to compromise on quality to satisfy superiors

No reason to assume otherwise

[burnt atlas]

Doesn't team cherry have like 4 people working on HK, i mean that doesn't mean anything tbh, congrats to them, they're awesome peeps

[opaque sigil]

Three core members plus people like Larkin and the playtesters

Yeah simo is a playtester

[burnt atlas]

wait who's responsible for the level design for the game?

[wind rover]

Whatre the odds it gets 99% finished and then they announce "team cherrys closing, we all hate eachother, and even tho its so close to done it could be out at the end of the week, its cancelled"

[opaque sigil]

I understand that sort of thing to be a joint responsibility for Ari and William

[burnt atlas]

ahhh alrighty#

[opaque sigil]

Graig's a playtester

[nimble radish]

playtests

[gloomy meteor]

playtests

playtests

balls

[burnt atlas]

what if team cherry is aware of the wait for SS, and makes another trailer with hornet saying "sorry, i'm late"

pulling a bayo 3 on our asses

[gloomy meteor]

Yo imagine hornet as a smash bros fighter

[burnt atlas]

haha funny kid holding key as smash character

[opaque sigil]

TC's been releasing news pretty reasonably. It's been a while since the last one but Edge was much, much larger than what they usually show

[gloomy meteor]

Shoulda gave hollowknight a mii swordfighter costume

[burnt atlas]

imagine they announced smash 6 and the first character revealed for the main game is like a HK character, like the knight or hornet

[formal karma]

Why

[burnt atlas]

dreaming

[mortal grove]

[potent sun]

yeah sure this seems like the right time to take my monthly checkup on this channel

how is everyone’s mental health in relation to silksong

has anyone been pushed to clinical insanity waiting

*have any more people been

[coarse leaf]

T m m o

[potent sun]

okay should I even ask who Tommo is or will they be present when I show up later

…….oh tammo got it

idk they seem pretty sane

[coarse leaf]

good ole tommoo

[coarse leaf]

The hype's pretty much gone for me, just waiting silently

[bleak scarab]

kinda forgot about it today

just remembered now

[proud vale]

I just hope they build the hype back up because it's not really something that they've been working to culture (seemingly enough)

[viral pivot]

Yeah, didn't leth say he wanted to curb hype till release or smth

[opaque sigil]

Hype will burst back when the date is announced

[proud vale]

Yeah absolutely, as long as it's enough time to actually get their player base back and interested

[bleak scarab]

would fans still be interested if ss isnt released like idk 5 years from now?

[opaque sigil]

Probably, even if they forget about it a bit in the meantime

[proud vale]

Realistically yeah but they would probably lose alot of fans

[opaque sigil]

The game takes as long as it takes. If they have to lose some fans in order to complete the game, well, one seems a bit more important than the other

[proud vale]

Well, I would disagree

fans = sales, less fans means the game doesn't reach as much of an audience and therefore less overall sales (let's say day 1 at least)

[opaque sigil]

Even without a dedicated preexisting fanbase HK sold well. Even if it ends up being the case that people somehow forget about the game entirely, even after it's released, SS will still be successful

And even if your excitement for the game has fallen off a bit you still won't see that it's released and not buy it

[proud vale]

Also the phrase "the game takes as long as it takes" isn't really applicable here because we can assume at the moment that TC are literally just embellishing the base game, meaning it can release at any time really

[opaque sigil]

It is. The game takes as long as it takes to reach the level of quality that TC deems acceptable

If anything it applies especially towards the end of development, since there's no real way to predict when a game will be free of substantial bugs to a sufficient degree

[proud vale]

Yeah of course but at some point there's a line crossed where you forget you're making the game for your now active fan base to actually play

Not that I think we'll approach that, but just that it's always possible

[opaque sigil]

I mean at any rate don't you think TC wants to release the game?

I doubt they're sitting around spending too much time on things that they don't really think are significant to the experience

[proud vale]

You can embellish and add unto eternity but at some point you have to release your game and now that there's a fan base, you kind of have an obligation to deliver

[opaque sigil]

They talked about that a bit in the December blogpost. They said that everything they were doing had a purpose

[young saffron]

maybe they are polishing the game yes? 🙂

[proud vale]

I know that they would of course want to complete the game, but I'm saying that you can't completely disregard the opinions of your fan base in order to release a 'perfect' game

[opaque sigil]

And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game.

[bleak scarab]

ss is gonna take long to complete well atleast 112%

[young saffron]

hollow takes long enough
ss is said to be twice the size of hk 😮

[proud vale]

No my intention wasn't to say that TC are irresponsible developers, it was just to go against your point of "if they have to lose some fans in order to complete the game..."

Like, they're equally important

[bleak scarab]

[opaque sigil]

It's more "if they have to lose some fans in order to complete the game to a degree which it can be considered finished"

I wasn't saying they should just sit around twiddling their thumbs

[proud vale]

There's a difference between core development though and then a stage of embelleshing and adding things on ~ which is a stage that can't go on forever at the cost of the opinions of the people you want to actually buy your game

[opaque sigil]

I get what you're saying, I just don't see that happening

They've explicitly expressed that as a concern, and stated that they are not (and have no intent of) doing that

[proud vale]

Yeah I know, I don't think it will happen either - just saying it's something that should probably be held in equal value to releasing a good game otherwise you get tunnel vision
(I'm trying to convince YOU of this Tammo, not say that it's something that'll happen)

[opaque sigil]

Well I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise in the first place

[proud vale]

You said good game is more important than fans so I gave rebuttal

[opaque sigil]

I was a bit ambiguous in my wording "if they have to lose some fans in order to complete the game to a degree which it can be considered finished" is more what I meant

[proud vale]

Yeah but saying they're not of equal value isn't too ambiguous

[opaque sigil]

Basically, they shouldn't rush it if it isn't ready just because some fans are losing hype

I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by "ready" and "completed

I'm not using those terms to mean "completely and utterly perfect in every way"

[proud vale]

I'm of the opinion that it's 'ready' like pretty much now, and that they're trying to reach that perfect level ~ and hopefully don't get tunnel vision-ed into creating the perfect game at the cost of fanbase.. Because I've definitely seen a big dip in hype lately that's definitely alot different to last year

[opaque sigil]

I don't see why one would assume that it's ready

Even if they're polishing and testing it isn't ready unless it's polished and tested to a certain degree

[proud vale]

Well you can't really prove that they aren't ready either, I'm just inferring based on edge and just the general intense radio silence

[tribal merlin]

one usually doesn't have to prove the negative claim

"prove the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist" etc

[opaque sigil]

Plus Edge has the same issues as the trailer and demo: The things they showed were handpicked to look nice

And the "radio silence" really isn't particularly remarkable, especially considering the scale of the last instance of news.

[stoic path]

What is this argument?

[proud vale]

I mean it's just an opinion of mine based on a couple things that definitely aren't concrete, not something I'm gonna argue for

[opaque sigil]

Fair enough

[proud vale]

It's definitely just been nagging at me lately and I'm sure many others that we're kind of at an all time low in hype at the moment (though of course it'll rise as we approach game awards and Feb)

[opaque sigil]

Eh, I think a lot of people exaggerate their loss of hype or conflate it with temperance of expectations

A lot of people literally say "Well hype's dead, guess I'll just wait for release" which is a perfectly fine approach

[proud vale]

And that it could be remedied by TC making a commitment about when they're going to release their game and therefore now being able to clue in people on the development progress (not suggesting release date way far in advanced or anything)

[opaque sigil]

idt there are people who were super hyped for SS that won't buy it at or after release just because it's been more than two and a half years since announcement

Or eight months since the last news

Or any such reason

[opaque sigil]

And if something like this would remedy the hype loss, wouldn't a release date do so also?

[proud vale]

Yeah I guess so

And a release date would certainly yeah, why?

[opaque sigil]

So when they announce a release date hype would return

[proud vale]

I'm more just talking about the way the management of the fan base is being handled here, not so much the marketing of the game

[opaque sigil]

Is managing the fan base really their responsibility

[proud vale]

I understand they're gonna get great sales and whatnot and hype before release .. but all the diehard fans who have been here since HK release (not me btw) kind of just are slightly left in the dark and become calloused

[bleak scarab]

a little I say?

[opaque sigil]

But are they going to buy the game anyways?

[proud vale]

Though of course that's probably just me talking as an entitled fan who hasn't really had to wait for a game so long before

[bleak scarab]

not much tho

[proud vale]

The consumers feelings about the game and the studio that develop it also matter

[opaque sigil]

Overall opinions of TC are pretty high

You get an occasional fringe voice but those are outliers

[proud vale]

a bad image for the developers could turn into a bad image for the game they produce, so keeping up appearances is more important than you'd think

[tribal merlin]

I don't think TC have a bad reputation

[proud vale]

They definitely don't, I'm just talking hypotheticals

[tribal merlin]

quite the contrary
they're the superstars that brought us HK

[opaque sigil]

It'd take a hell of a lot for TC to use up their good will as far as I can tell

Even the people who dislike the lack of constant updates generally don't hate TC themselves, they compartmentalize it to that concern

[proud vale]

you think every single consumer would think like that and not get annoyed having to wait in silence?

[opaque sigil]

No, but TC can't cater to every single consumer

[proud vale]

yeah but you seem to underestimate how fickle people can be

[tribal merlin]

those fickle people will happily still buy SS once it releases

[opaque sigil]

This is what I've been saying

Even those who claim that their hype has died will still buy the game and enjoy it

[proud vale]

Or they dont

[tribal merlin]

they're not gonna go "you didn't give me the amount of news I wanted and now I'm punishing you by not buying the game I desperately want"

it'd really be more of a sort of self inflicted punishment

[cerulean sable]

youre joking but theres literally people whos been stating something like that recently

very few but they definitely exist

granted theyll come crawling back again anyway

[opaque sigil]

It's hyperbole, probably

[proud vale]

Yeah to not even entertain the possibility that people like that exist is kind of close minded

[opaque sigil]

A few might, but not a huge number

You can't expect TC to go out of their way to accommodate the extremes

[tribal merlin]

they are in such small numbers that they can safely be ignored for business decision making

[proud vale]

I mean, if you're talking about just on this discord then it's not a great sample size compared to everyone who's bought HK

[cerulean sable]

but the most middle ive seen is "i dont care if they make a banger, for all ive cared theyve lost a lost of respect from me to the point i dont really care about the game anymore, and thats an award a lot of games has earned from me for revealing too early then giving us jack shit after years"

these were actual words from someone

[nimble radish]

lol

[cerulean sable]

i am not making this up

[opaque sigil]

That's absurd and probably not a common legitimate effectual sentiment

[cerulean sable]

my brain was literally twisting when i was reading that

[tribal merlin]

I'm assuming most people aren't mopy babies

which coincides with my day to day experience irl

[proud vale]

Lol I'd hope not

[cerulean sable]

yeah im not saying it is but just saying theres definitely people who actually thinks that way

[haughty ingot]

i wonder if i’ll be good at silksong

[cerulean sable]

I said this once and got hate for it, but announcing a hyped game waaaaaaaay before you even have a small inkling of when it is released will create a hype train that inevitably leads to disappointment. TC is digging their grave every day with their silence. Either the game is stuck in dev hell, or they are struggling implementing concepts that they showed off at Nintendo tree house into the rest of the game or whatever. Someone said "they had to announce it because silksong was supposed to be an expansion" bit I disagree. They could have said silksong is becoming a game we will have more information soon when we are closer to release. NEVER announce a game that is beyond 2 years before release and preferably 1 year. Hype trains always exceed what is actually produced.

I will buy silksong, but my expectations actually get lower every time I think about it. They could blow my pants off, but I do grow some disdain towards any company that announces game before they even have a real concept of release date. This was prevalent in the early 2000s, but I was hoping everyone had matured from it. Many games have been announced and hyped and then discontinued. I feel there is a real possibility silksong will not happen at all at this point.

found ittt

[opaque sigil]

I’m guessing it’s mostly hyperbole

And if it’s not it’s not a common mentality anyways

[tribal merlin]

well that guy doesn't make a lot of sense

[proud vale]

Yeah I guess the best thing to do there would just adopt a different mindset about it

[copper knot]

I said this once and got hate for it, but announcing a hyped game waaaaaaaay before you even have a small inkling of when it is released will create a hype train that inevitably leads to disappointment. TC is digging their grave every day with their silence. Either the game is stuck in dev hell, or they are struggling implementing concepts that they showed off at Nintendo tree house into the rest of the game or whatever. Someone said "they had to announce it because silksong was supposed to be an expansion" bit I disagree. They could have said silksong is becoming a game we will have more information soon when we are closer to release. NEVER announce a game that is beyond 2 years before release and preferably 1 year. Hype trains always exceed what is actually produced.

I will buy silksong, but my expectations actually get lower every time I think about it. They could blow my pants off, but I do grow some disdain towards any company that announces game before they even have a real concept of release date. This was prevalent in the early 2000s, but I was hoping everyone had matured from it. Many games have been announced and hyped and then discontinued. I feel there is a real possibility silksong will not happen at all at this point.

[tribal merlin]

"I do grow some disdain towards any company that announces game before they even have a real concept of release date"
https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/381875/1

[opaque sigil]

People generally aren’t super serious and accurate about intent when venting

[cerulean sable]

i mean yeah its obvs not common, majority is essentially uwu TC take ur twime 😳

but this silence has popped out a bunch of interesting people to say the least since threads like those tends to allow them to vent against tc

[haughty ingot]

so what point is he trying to make

[opaque sigil]

Nothing.

[haughty ingot]

one of my favorite games is botw and iirc it was announced at like 2013 or 2014

[proud vale]

They're just pissed that TC haven't been very transparent

[tribal merlin]

yeah it's super common to announce a game and not have a ballpark release date. that guy must hate 98% of devs

[opaque sigil]

Which they have been, relatively

[haughty ingot]

destroyed

[proud vale]

record time

[fathom peak]

hi guys

[tribal merlin]

sniper mods 👀

[haughty ingot]

nitro scam ban speedrun any%

[proud vale]

frame 1 ban

[cerulean sable]

legit favorite session is going to r/hollowknight/new whenever theres a direct or event or something

its basically
clown memes > silksuffering memes > "am the only who thinks SS got announced way too early/seriously what is taking them so long/everyday that passes i dont think SS is gonna come out tbh"

[haughty ingot]

is this a recent thing?

people being mad at tc for “announcing ss too early” i mean

[cerulean sable]

nah its been going on for the entire year

more prevalent today because weve hitted the 10th month dry season

[haughty ingot]

it’s only lately that i actually started seeing these

[cerulean sable]

yeah its like exponential

[haughty ingot]

ah ic

[cerulean sable]

it was like so so on early 2021

then like, recently its been blowing up

[fathom peak]

when was ss announced anyway?

[cerulean sable]

Feb 2019

[haughty ingot]

feb 14 2019

[proud vale]

Yeah this is what I've been saying, alot of vocal disdain lately

[rocky owl]

Patience is key

[fathom peak]

so roughly over 2 years?
sure its some significant time, but its not anything crazy

[haughty ingot]

doubt it’ll pressure tc since they’re not even online much

[cunning geode]

not that you know

[haughty ingot]

hi lurking william 😐

[marsh ibex]

People have been complaining since 2020

[cunning geode]

even 2019

[cerulean sable]

SS fans tries not to harass other nindie events because SS isnt in there challenge (impossible)

for real im scared of the kickback

[fathom peak]

they'll fail in the first 0.1 second of the event

[cerulean sable]

like theoretically, lets just say, THEORETICALLY, SS kinda flops (like not even in terms of being bad, like not even reaching expectations)

i wouldnt be surprised if people who are already super annoyed with HK fans would find some sort of satisfaction to it

[cunning geode]

Bad Ending #2

[proud vale]

Is this the longest time we've waited inbetween news?

[cerulean sable]

it doesnt help were also the fandom that tends to non stop compare shit with HK, especially when Dread released

yeah

[proud vale]

Yeah that's likely it

highly dependent fans getting hella fiesty

[deft tide]

tfw people act like every metroidvania is just an appetiser before silksong

[tribal merlin]

when it fact it's just an aperitif

[proud vale]

other metroidvanias are like the balls of dough your kids get at pizza restaurants

[cerulean sable]

"I really enjoyed dread, it was the perfect length fo-"
"YEAH BUT ITS NOT WORTH 60$ WHEN YOU CAN GET THRICE THAT LENGTH FOR ONLY 15$ SUCH AS INDIE GAMES LIKE HOLLOW KNIGHT (WHICH IS BETTER BTW)"

[tribal merlin]

well nintendo may have to pay more than 3 people for dread

[nimble radish]

wait they're charging 60$ for a game? damn that's twice what I've spent on any game

[tribal merlin]

usually $60 for an AAA isn't enough to pay the staff enough

[chilly nexus]

TGA is gonna be so exciting

[fathom peak]

[chilly nexus]

why not just react to the message with zote? :p

i get it, for the vibes

[cunning geode]

big zote moment

[fathom peak]

not really
i just didnt think it mattered if it was a reply or reaction

[coarse leaf]

Much more than thrice

[worthy lichen]

average indie fan

[glossy gazelle]

And the main developers I highly doubt even read this chat

[ember geode]

Like damn not my fault they release one of the best games that has the same price as a shitty mouse from Walmart

gotta appreciate that

[haughty ingot]

“if you love silksong so much, why don’t you marry it?”

[worthy lichen]

aight brb

[glossy gazelle]

I can't marry an unreleased game

[worthy lichen]

not with that attitude

[silver oak]

I wouldn’t be surprised if wilbo lurked occasionally

Not often but once every few weeks or so

Maybe even less

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah maybe he lurks monthly or bi-monthly but it's definitely not a common thing.

[coarse leaf]

Calm down mercy

I would gladly pay 40 bucks for ss

What do you think tc's price will be for ss

[chilly nexus]

news in 44 days

[lone elbow]

Nintendo games are the way that they are

Dread is extremely fun though. Gave me the big anxiety

[languid linden]

$15-20

[pallid flare]

we all know we'll get news on the 10th of November

[chilly nexus]

na tis the 9th of december

[coarse leaf]

Honestly it deserves more, since most video games are super pricy 15 bucks is a win win for a piece of gold ss is

[lone elbow]

I honestly hope they raise the price a bit.

[chilly nexus]

price discriminate based on region

[lone elbow]

Hollow Knight for 15$ was such a steal even for the base game, yet alone all the free DLC

[glossy gazelle]

I doubt they'll raise it too high, they want ss to be as accesible as the original game

[chilly nexus]

I bought it 50% off for 8 dollars 👉 👈

[coarse leaf]

Yep, 24$ dollars i think is the optimal price

[glossy gazelle]

Bad conversion rate moment

[coarse leaf]

24 dollars is the price of minecraft which is the most purchased game of all time

[chilly nexus]

22 feels nice

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah it probably won't go higher than 25

[tribal merlin]

yeah but MC is multiplayer

[cunning geode]

how can you possibly compare HK with minecraft

[coarse leaf]

Minecraft is more than just multiplayer my friend

[glossy gazelle]

unless you live in a region with a bad conversion rate, 24 aint that much

[pallid flare]

wasn't it a bit less a few years ago

[tribal merlin]

they both have mines

[tribal merlin]

did I say it's "just" multiplayer?

[coarse leaf]

Nope, im not being toxic lol, I just think its a good topic to continue talking about

[tribal merlin]

my point was a game with multiplayer is expected to be a little more expensive

[coarse leaf]

But minecraft arent the ones paying for the servers

[tribal merlin]

they're the ones providing the netcode

[glossy gazelle]

on the PS store it's 20 dollars so

[lone elbow]

Hollow Knight and Minecraft are some of the most popular indie titles of all time. They both make the top 10 list at least

[coarse leaf]

It doesnt cost them that much to provide the netcode, unlike some other games that do need to host a server

[glossy gazelle]

and it's actually 30 dollars in most places where I'm looking

[lone elbow]

Minecraft isn't really indie any more. But never forget its roots

[cunning geode]

thats... not really a good point for comparing them though

but ok

[coarse leaf]

The only example of minecraft hosting servers is realms, and you need to pay monthly for them

[tribal merlin]

I can assure you developing and maintaining netcode costs money

[coarse leaf]

True, minecraft is a sandbox while hollow knight is a role play

[mint arrow]

What do you think how long will sk be?

[opaque sigil]

HK isn't a rpg

[glossy gazelle]

it's a metroidvania

[coarse leaf]

Of course! But its not as expensive as for example, pubg's servers

[opaque sigil]

Varying depending on player skill/completion but probably longer than HK

[coarse leaf]

I get your point

Still, the level of detail, commitment, art and music. It does deserve a high price

Especially the music, which has a classical take that is unique and works perfectly in hallownest

[mint arrow]

Well i know, it works with every type of game. But on Howlongtobeat main story is 26 hour and a half, imo SK should be like 30 hour, maybe 35

[opaque sigil]

That site is not going to be a good indicator for a game like HK or SS

[mint arrow]

without extra content ofc

[copper knot]

really glad tc made their game as affordable as possible so poor folks like me can still play it

[coarse leaf]

Its so heartwarming that team cherry care for thier fans so much.

You dont see that with a lot of games

[copper knot]

when i become an indie developer, i also want to try to make my game as cheap as possible
im honestly not doing it for the money. i just want people to experience my work

[opaque sigil]

I mean tbf even at $15 it's not like HK wasn't (and SS presumably wouldn't) be a massive success financially

[shell yacht]

moneys cool n all but you ever made something and watched people enjoy it

[coarse leaf]

Honestly I have the same idea, but the thing is I want to make a living out of making stuff for the community,I need some way to support my work, so i can invest to make more.

[shell yacht]

[copper knot]

honestly thats the best feeling ever

[coarse leaf]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

$15 is enough for that

[tribal merlin]

that's basically my job 🙂

[copper knot]

making something that took so damn long and seeing people enjoy it. it feels so euphoric

[coarse leaf]

It is, i will just buy two copies as my support for this masterpiece

[glossy gazelle]

That's assuming enough people buy it. It's no problem for people like TC who has a massive community to back it, but some aren't nearly as lucky

[opaque sigil]

I mean with such a small team the development costs are relatively slight

[coarse leaf]

Its both luck and hard work to achieve what they have

[opaque sigil]

But regardless of price any game can fail to turn a profit if people don't buy it enough

And a lower price makes people way more likely to buy it anyways

[coarse leaf]

Thats why your game needs to be fun

[copper knot]

honestly it takes work for your game to click for people

[coarse leaf]

A lot

[copper knot]

some games are- very beautiful but it doesnt click to people because it feels soulless

[dusty nimbus]

Or if the marketing is really good

[glossy gazelle]

See Kindly Beast and Showdown Bandit

[radiant wraith]

Maybe a little luck as well?

[opaque sigil]

Marketing can only do so much if the game is bad. After the first couple days word will spread

[radiant wraith]

Some games just get buried

[copper knot]

i feel like games should be made with soul for it to click for people. if its only for the gameplay and the fun aspect without the soul. its not going to click to people

[coarse leaf]

First you need thier attention and hype, then you need to deliver a consistant and fun project, also you need the trust of your community there is a lot of work

[coarse leaf]

Thats what games are for my guy, to have fun

[dusty nimbus]

That sounds like advertisement with extra steps

[glossy gazelle]

Sure Showdown bandit's development was all sorts of a mess but even with the low asking price, the game failed hard

[copper knot]

honestly i think one of the reasons why ori2 isnt as successful as hollow knight is because it has- less soul to it. the development of ori2 was basically just to "make the best metroidvania" and its ironic that by making a game the best you can make it be, it ends up being soulless

[coarse leaf]

You need advertisement for a game to work out unfortinutely

[copper knot]

you also need to click to it.

[opaque sigil]

How is that a counterexample

[glossy gazelle]

Depending on who you ask that's debatable

[tribal merlin]

I'm not even sure ori 2 is a real metroidvania

[copper knot]

advertisements can only do so much if its shit

[coarse leaf]

My bad misunderstood

[radiant wraith]

Games are products and work in most ways as products do

[opaque sigil]

Well day one sales are all advertising but longevity is all about quality and cultural significance

[coarse leaf]

The game needs to be fun enjoyable and consistant

[dusty nimbus]

Also don't forget that you need your mother's credit card to make a game successful

[copper knot]

the thing most people dont understand is that video games are not just toys. they are a form of art. artwork needs to be made with the artists' soul and vision to make it good. only focusing on making good art without thinking about putting life to it makes it feel hollow

thats why i feel like indie games click more to people than AAA games

they are made with more passion, instead of trying to perfect the genre

[coarse leaf]

Game design is number one, its the shelf all the other books stand on, which are code, art, story and more

[tribal merlin]

most indie games are dogshit and you don't even know about them. it's a very small minority being made well

[copper knot]

im not talking about the technicalities. im talking about the fundamentals

[radiant wraith]

They are not separate things ideally; art story and gameplay

[copper knot]

i would disagree tbh

[glossy gazelle]

Also this doesn't apply to every game. If you take a gander at EA's stuff, a lot of their annualizing franchises lack soul in the slightest and are made solely to be a cash cow.

[opaque sigil]

Perception of indies has a survivorship bias. The ones you see are the ones that were good enough to be seen

[copper knot]

nah not really- i play underrated indie games from stuff like itch io and stuff all the time

[opaque sigil]

You either don't know about or don't think about the others

[mortal grove]

hey i know this is rather off-topic to the conversation but can i have music recommendation

[radiant wraith]

Go to Steam's new releases tab and play a game made by one person with 3 reviews

[glossy gazelle]

Sure Indies and a good majority of First Party Franchises have soul, care, and passion put into them, but if you annualize a franchise and it still makes bank it proves you don't have to use passion to make a game sell

[opaque sigil]

Most people don't

[copper knot]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzcHU7-ekAf2EN-aSBZLHNoErcy_X0pZY here

[mortal grove]

ok ok carry on with indie game talk

[copper knot]

because they are cringe

[copper knot]

and this is why i dont like greed

[coarse leaf]

The reason some games are successful even if they are not with soul and care as you call it, its because they follow a formula that works, they are doing this for the money, they are using cliches because they work good on stupid people who are the majority of our world

[glossy gazelle]

You know what, Sanegor spoke it better than I ever could.

[copper knot]

tbh whats the purpose of making a game if its not going to be something that people connect with? capitalism is a drug man

[opaque sigil]

Well multiplayer franchises have a tangible pressure to update, update, update

[radiant wraith]

To sell?

[coarse leaf]

an honour

[opaque sigil]

And to stay relevant

[copper knot]

yeah and its stupid

[opaque sigil]

It's a business model

[glossy gazelle]

It's simple and you already said it but: "We've got to have... MONEY."

[copper knot]

its art

[radiant wraith]

It's a company, companies sell stuff

[opaque sigil]

Art is only art if it's made to be art

[dusty nimbus]

Hello, I just learnt #hk-meme is in coma is there a convo explain what happened?

I want it for entertainment purposes

[copper knot]

im sorry but i just- really dont like most AAA companies and AAA games

[opaque sigil]

Games that are made to be and presented as products aren't art

[copper knot]

they dont care about the art of video games and that saddens me imo

[coarse leaf]

You can have both

[glossy gazelle]

Dyno dead

[opaque sigil]

You can, but you don't always

[radiant wraith]

Not all games are meant to be art imo. I like the focus on that myself but I that doesn't mean we can't have games like Fifa or Fortnite

[dusty nimbus]

Dyno looks fine to me

[copper knot]

i mean games are art. its just that not all art is good

[glossy gazelle]

I just checked the channel and it looks like Dyno isn't working

[opaque sigil]

Sometimes games are just made to be dry iterations on other titles with updated graphics and maybe a new system to run on

[tribal merlin]

not all games are automatically art

[copper knot]

i would argue otherwise

[tribal merlin]

well then your definition of art sucks

[radiant wraith]

Some are really just gameplay. I don't think that necessarily disqualifies them

[copper knot]

all games are art, but not all art is good

[coarse leaf]

The key thing is making your art also give you benefit, to continue making art you need supplies, so why not get them from other peices of art you made, making a loop where you can sustain yourself and continue working on art.

[opaque sigil]

While I agree, I do concede that the definition of art is subjective

[tribal merlin]

art is not an automatically granted property

[coarse leaf]

thats probably because theres not all that much to like, its the same thing, again, and again, and again, because it sells
They are literally just copy pasting whatever works, man, even nintendo used the " holy AAA formula " with BOTW

[tribal merlin]

so simply making a game doesn't make it art

it can be

[coarse leaf]

True, modern art sometimes is art and sometimes complete garbage

[radiant wraith]

I don't see anything wrong with the competitive sports like game even if it's not meant to be artistic

[glossy gazelle]

Like if I look at the copy and pasted sport titles, posting the same picture over and over again, I wouldn't really call that art

[opaque sigil]

There isn't really. Their existence isn't actively harmful to anybody

[radiant wraith]

I wouldn't play just Abzus or Journeys

[copper knot]

definition of art
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.

yeah you cant make games without creative skill and imagination

[coarse leaf]

i mean, what they are doing is still wrong because they sell the same game year after year for 60$, also, im p sure its literally pay to win but yknow, i get what you mean

[coarse leaf]

Well its fine if the price of the game is what the game is worth +- 10 bucks for profit, but when companies take 60-100$ for a shitty game its infuriating

[copper knot]

even sports game are art tbh

[opaque sigil]

Art without artistic intent

[copper knot]

yeah thats what im tryna say

[opaque sigil]

Except it's just pointless semantics so who cares

[copper knot]

art without soul is art without artistic intent

[glossy gazelle]

Sure it may have been art originally, but copy pasting the same piece over and over again, doesn't make you an artist. You are just profiting off the picture you already made and reselling it to a new audience (or the same audience in this case)

[copper knot]

it does make you an artist, albeit a shitty one

[opaque sigil]

We all understand what the difference is, the fact that we describe the differences differently is immaterial

[glossy gazelle]

Again the modern sport games lack this. Ctrl C Ctrl V ing a game isn't not creative, skillful, or imaginative

[copper knot]

shitty art exists dawg. im not saying all art is good

im just trying to make a point that game devs should treat art as art

[opaque sigil]

Iterating on a preexisting work can be considered artistic

[coarse leaf]

i feel like "soul" is pretty loose, imo if you spend time making something. Thats art, i don't rly think artistic intent applies

[coarse leaf]

ofcourse, but they wont, because what they are doing works

[coarse leaf]

But its a waste of time if one side doesnt get anything for it, the point is for both sides to feel good for what they have created, atleast thats my opinion

[radiant wraith]

Some games are just fun and not much more, maybe some competitiveness. I wouldn't ask for Epic to make art with Fortnite.

[opaque sigil]

Maybe but some people are happy to get an updated version of a game they like

[glossy gazelle]

They barely do this, mostly the changes involving altering the year or the roster (I dunno how much that actually change)

[opaque sigil]

I wasn't saying it necessarily had artistic intent

[copper knot]

why are yall just assuming that every multiplayer game without a story is not art

[opaque sigil]

We aren't

[glossy gazelle]

I'm not

[coarse leaf]

Youre putting words in our mouths man

[copper knot]

well you are making comparisons like fortnite and fifa

yea they are art, what ya gonna do with it

[glossy gazelle]

That was one person and fortnite is a little different

[radiant wraith]

It's simple art then as you'd say I guess. The art of a sport, just a sport. I don't think that makes the game worse (not talking about business practices here)

[copper knot]

how did we even get this far man

[opaque sigil]

The only resolution to this is "it's subjective"

[copper knot]

i just wanna talk about how im tired of soulless games

[opaque sigil]

Then you probably shouldn't have brought the concept of art into it, huh

[glossy gazelle]

I'm just saying the people who copy paste the sports title with little change aren't really making "art" just reusing the old art they already had. Fortnite I would say is still art despite it using a metric heck ton of crossovers because there's actuall effort and care put into fortnite

[radiant wraith]

Fair enough

[copper knot]

i mean im saying that its shitty art.

im not defending fifa bro

[opaque sigil]

But yes, AAAs tend to be mired by precedent in a manner indies aren't, since companies can't (or won't) generally afford to take risks with novel ideas the way indies almost must in order to be recognized

[coarse leaf]

Well, its hard to consider something art if it doesnt have an interesting history, or look really pleasing in a way that makes you wow, i dont think you see that with fortnite, fortnite is an interesting game dont get me wrong, but people play it to compete with each other, not to experience something amuzing, you dont connect with fortnite, you connect to its competition, its not made to be a peice of art but a competitive game, nothing about the game is super detailed like the guns, but how everything is polished and looks round makes you feel comforted in it while competing, personal opinion.

[opaque sigil]

[radiant wraith]

These two things

[coarse leaf]

i agree, but taking this to mean that a game that follows cliches is suddenly soulless or not artistic is kinda bs imo

[ripe estuary]

anything can be art if you think it is art

its all subjective anyways

[opaque sigil]

It doesn't mean that

[radiant wraith]

True too I guess

[copper knot]

my god im tired

[glossy gazelle]

Man I remember the days when video games weren't considered art. This convo is taking me back to those days

[opaque sigil]

In many circles they still aren't, I'm sure

[ripe estuary]

gamers are discriminated against

[coarse leaf]

yup, thats basically all there is too it

[radiant wraith]

We still try to evaluate games objectively it seems, sadly

[coarse leaf]

this entire discussion is centred around the most subjective word in the english dictionary

[copper knot]

yeah i cant really change someone's opinions on the internet huh

[opaque sigil]

People have been debating an objective definition of art for a long-ass time we ain't gonna find a resolution today

[copper knot]

just saying that maybe if people start treating games as art, it becomes a more respected genre

[ripe estuary]

not when your name is "furry catboy sans"

[pallid flare]

#sk-discussion finds the definition of art and the meaning of life, more at 10

[copper knot]

im an internet troll what do you expect

[opaque sigil]

Maybe but every medium has its soulless cash grabs

[ripe estuary]

🗿

[copper knot]

yeah no shit

[coarse leaf]

Im talking about objective art, what i personally think is objective art, its when something is put together in beutiful harmony, everything works together and makes you feel connected to it, the more your art is familiar to the work of god, its beuty will shine.

[ripe estuary]

there's no such thing

[opaque sigil]

That isn't to say soulless cash grabs are bad

[viral pivot]

Several people are typing...

[glossy gazelle]

yeah the other art forms (like cinematography has it's "clearly made for profit" stuff)

[copper knot]

i wouldnt say art means you have to be connected to it

[opaque sigil]

Plenty of people enjoy reading magazines and watching tropey archetype movies

[radiant wraith]

Made for profit and artistic are not exclusive

[glossy gazelle]

The Quality of those movies depends on who you ask thought

[radiant wraith]

Not necessarily

[coarse leaf]

still art though

[ripe estuary]

I think this is art but other people might not think it is art

[opaque sigil]

Yes

[copper knot]

how did we even get to tropes

[opaque sigil]

bc tropes are a common aspect of the more serialized media

[copper knot]

to be fair memes can count as art

[glossy gazelle]

I mean memes are...weird

[copper knot]

comedy art is art

[ripe estuary]

you are art

[copper knot]

if its not scientific. its art tbh

[opaque sigil]

That's a weird dichotomy but sure

[copper knot]

the world is either facts or arts

[glossy gazelle]

I mean some memes are literally small clips of stuff taken from shows/films that probably weren't meant to be memed

[coarse leaf]

pretty sure tess would disagree on that one

[copper knot]

yeah im weird

[radiant wraith]

If we used your definition of art you can apply it very easily to scientific development

The one you sent before

[glossy gazelle]

They made have made people laugh, but I doubt the intent would be to trend like several years later

[copper knot]

science and art work together tho

you cant have art without science and you cant have science without art. but its still 2 different components

[stark estuary]

hmm

[tribal merlin]

sure you can have art without science

[copper knot]

the yin and yang

[glossy gazelle]

So I would say memes being art is both dependent on the meme in question and debatable\

[opaque sigil]

Kirb's back

[tribal merlin]

and you can have science without art

[copper knot]

you place a paint on the easel thats already scientific

[glossy gazelle]

Also how did we drag science into this

[coarse leaf]

its not though, you can consider pretty much anything in science as art

[tribal merlin]

no it's not

[copper knot]

most scientific logics cant be made without creative thought. that counts as art

[glossy gazelle]

As a person going for a science major I fail to see the relevance

[ripe estuary]

art and science are polar opposites

the one is completely objective and the other one completely subjective

[tribal merlin]

it doesn't

you can't just go and asay "everything is art" because then art is meaningless

[copper knot]

well whats the chemicals in the paint then? magic? nah its pigments. thats scientific

[opaque sigil]

What the fuck is that argument

[tribal merlin]

the scientific aspect is irrelevant to the art and the artist doesn't have to know about it. just because my shit is made out of atoms doesn't make it particle physics either

[copper knot]

my god

[coarse leaf]

with that same logic, i could say that no painting is art simply because it stimulates a certain electrical response in the brain

[glossy gazelle]

And also use different parts of the brain

[copper knot]

why is it when i try to have a philosophical discussion i get blasted on

[ripe estuary]

based

[radiant wraith]

Scientific development is made mostly through creativity. Think of Newtonian mechanics, they are not an objective representation of the world, it used man made concepts, it's the result of a mix of experimentation and newton's creativity

[glossy gazelle]

Because your arguments are questionable

[tribal merlin]

if you consider counterarguments "blasted"...

[opaque sigil]

Because it's purely subjective so everybody's position has equal empirical merit

[copper knot]

bruh

[coarse leaf]

i think you kinda can consider everything art though tbh, each individual piece of art has meaning

[stark estuary]

The hell is this convo

[opaque sigil]

Madness

[radiant wraith]

Art I guess

[copper knot]

true

[tribal merlin]

that's some 1960s kind of art definition that's outdated

[ripe estuary]

yes

[copper knot]

i would argue that still counts

[coarse leaf]

and whats the correct definition

[copper knot]

if you think hard enough

[vernal locust]

sighs for my b day i got a 30 dollar gift card and i was going to save it for silksong. because the gift card's expiration date is next month i doubt i'm going to get it....

[tribal merlin]

the definition changes according to the times we live in, so taking one from 60 years ago may not be close to a more recent one

[coarse leaf]

well what is the definition today?

[copper knot]

to be fair everything has a meaning
your phone has a meaning because its an invention

[tribal merlin]

you know very well there's not a universally agreed one
but most people have moved away from "everything is art"

[ripe estuary]

my phone has meaning because I can look at big anime goth gf tiddies on it

[copper knot]

isnt that just an assumption

[tribal merlin]

cuz you know if everything is art why I gotta pay you

[modest night]

damn can't believe it's semantics discussion now

you guys are too good

[ripe estuary]

because some art is better than others

[copper knot]

im fucking high

[radiant wraith]

Or maybe we are discussing a topic that is too good for us

[copper knot]

[ripe estuary]

[stark estuary]

Didn't you just say that art was completely subjective

[copper knot]

i have a feeling im gonna feel stupid after i regain my sanity

[opaque sigil]

It's been a semantics discussion the whole goddamn time

[copper knot]

but lets keep rambling about how science and art and shit and goly fu

[tribal merlin]

one person's opinion about art is subjective, but what's generally considered art isn't up to one person

it's up to the zeitgeist

[opaque sigil]

you're the one who brought science into this in the first place

[ripe estuary]

yes but if I consider a certain piece of art "good" I might buy it because I think it is valuable

[copper knot]

to be fair, even if art is suggestive people arent much different from each other. if a lot of people agree one art is shit, then its most likely shit

[opaque sigil]

There's no objective metric of that

[radiant wraith]

Text wall time hehehe, be ready

[copper knot]

thats where you factor in psychology

[opaque sigil]

Let's just fucking not

[copper knot]

oooookay

.-.

[lament drum]

defining art in ss-discussion how did this even happen

[opaque sigil]

bc people can't accept something as subjective so it has to become this

[lament drum]

good lord

also hello tammo and occam

[opaque sigil]

[copper knot]

im accepting it as subjective but im high and i wanna argue

[tribal merlin]

then go to reddit

[stark estuary]

I'm Occam now

[copper knot]

i think i need sleep

[lament drum]

occam, kirb, whichever you prefer

[opaque sigil]

Everybody in this channel over the course of the past hour needs a nap

[copper knot]

i need hibernation

[lament drum]

inverted shade lord holding a zote head

[ripe estuary]

money is subjective 0_0
it's only worth something because you think it is worth something

[stark estuary]

I don't really mind, but Occam is the name of a village

[copper knot]

🏃 💨 bye

[radiant wraith]

I think I know what you mean, it can be applied to game reviews I think. Say a game has a better score than another on Metacritic, that doesn't mean exactly that one game is better than the other objectively. It just means that more people judged the game with the higher score better from their subjective pov. You should consider that at buying time, if more people liked it, you are more likely to enjoy it as well. But that still doesn't put a game above the other objectively

[stark estuary]

kek

[radiant wraith]

I'm sorry, I had to, I couldn't resist

I did it!

[stark estuary]

Finally, now chat can rest.

[ripe estuary]

sleep well chat, untill the next pointless discussion

[radiant wraith]

It was not pointless, I enjoyed talking to you

[ripe estuary]

:)

[chilly nexus]

Semantics Supposition - discussion

[gray lance]

Tools

[tawdry valley]

Wait what

Oh Jesus Christ; I read “semitism” discussion

[opaque sigil]

ddx no don't pull this thread nothing good lies at the end

[tawdry valley]

I’m moving on now

[warm bone]

So how about them silky songs

[tawdry valley]

Tried it; game kinda bad

Not enough QT events

[silver oak]

That's too bad

[trim estuary]

what happened here

[stark estuary]

Don't ask

[warm bone]

Scroll up

No need to bring it up again

[trim estuary]

Ok

[chilly nexus]

always

[trim estuary]

What is that orange jar anyway?

[tawdry valley]

Oranges

[coarse leaf]

daquiris

[trim estuary]

Da baby

[chilly nexus]

it's cartoon violence and alcohol use (and the reason SS is rated Pegi16)

[trim estuary]

Ah

[opaque sigil]

SS does have a tavern so alcohol use may be canon

[cunning geode]

tavernkeep is gonna be the best npc just you wait

[opaque sigil]

It's a really depressing tavern tho

[cunning geode]

thats your problem

[opaque sigil]

Even more reason to drink

[trim estuary]

Oh boy here comes the old ones army

[chilly nexus]

lovely

[stark estuary]

In Hornet's case it may as well be a coffee shop

[trim estuary]

Is this one of Aluo’s fakes

[opaque sigil]

No

[trim estuary]

Oh

I’ve never seen it before

[opaque sigil]

It's from Edge

Doesn't get posted much compared to the other screenshots though

[radiant wraith]

How does Hornet drink?

[pallid flare]

she uh

[opaque sigil]

Mouth

[trim estuary]

yeah

[pallid flare]

[trim estuary]

yeah

[stark estuary]

Hornet probably has a non-visible mouth.

[radiant wraith]

I have no mouth and I must drink

[pallid flare]

no mouth to eat

[trim estuary]

no milk to drink

[chilly nexus]

she takes off her mask to eat

cuz she's void and it's just a mask

[radiant wraith]

Omg face reveal

[chilly nexus]

ye, no food is good enough for her but the 1,000,000,000 rosary special

but if you buy it for her in game, you get a face reveal

[radiant wraith]

I see

I'd like to think it's just the shape of her mask but made of flesh

[coarse leaf]

is this new????? I don't know this one

[stark estuary]

Hornet doesn't wear a mask

That's her face, you can see it from the side.

[chilly nexus]

I like to think it's a perfect circle that fits in the bottom section of her mask

[radiant wraith]

[coarse leaf]

oh

[trim estuary]

In reality it’s just a small slit located underneath her face, just out of camera
(Oh wait I thought this was referring to her mouth )

[stark estuary]

Or her mouth just appears from nowhere whenever it's needed (like Grimm, Deephunters, Elder Baldurs, Hive Knight etc)

[coarse leaf]

do we know what area this is?

[pallid flare]

it looks kinda like the pukebug area if you get me

[radiant wraith]

Fardbug town it is

[coarse leaf]

its called Fardbug?

[silver oak]

My guess would be greymoor

[radiant wraith]

No, that's just combining fard with bug

[silver oak]

Pukebug area is blue

Also has really intricate floor and wall patterns

[trim estuary]

[silver oak]

[trim estuary]

Maybe the tower that people keep talking about?

[stark estuary]

I'm pretty sure that was a joke about the unpleasant symptoms which occur after excessive alcohol intake

[silver oak]

Possibly
I think that's in the coral forest place

[silver oak]

Oh I did not read the second half of that message lol

[chilly nexus]

TC makes the best worlds

[cedar hedge]

my friend is jealous of me bc hes been waiting 3 years for silksong and ive only just started waiting

[pallid flare]

great

[silver oak]

The lore in Ugly Jesus vs Mummy is insane

[tall hinge]

yo pyro

when are you gonna continue adding O's

[pallid flare]

i don't know

[silver oak]

wait
pink pyro returns

[pallid flare]

[bleak scarab]

pyro has ascended from the peasant white name

[chilly nexus]

black name

[bleak scarab]

void

[chilly nexus]

i am void like hornet

black text is a window through the vessel

[modest night]

hey someone made a video about you guys

[heady sandal]

ah yes

pain

[modest night]

that's a good thumbnail tbh

[warm bone]

Razbuten is cool because he likes outer wilds and hollow knight

[pallid flare]

us!

[fiery coral]

ra ra razbuten

[coarse leaf]

lover of the pale king

[haughty ingot]

oh i love razbuten

[earnest ermine]

😿

[radiant wraith]

But when ss comes out this chat will talk about the game. I'll lose the joys of dangerously derailing conversations and baseless speculation... I'll miss that

Besides, if you had it now, you'd be robbing your future self of experiencing the game for the first time

[silver oak]

Razbuten is a great channel, I liked that video

The way he talks about games is so interesting

[obsidian juniper]

One of my people derailing conversations
Btw hi everyone

[lament lotus]

mm

game why not release this is blasphemy

[tough glen]

goddamnit unique you had to write that down

I'll admit it went through my mind immediately too

[nimble pebble]

#hk-meme is closed

[pallid flare]

pure bliss

[warm bone]

Good

Let’s keep it that way

[noble patrol]

:frogeline:

[silver oak]

The good ending

[crystal inlet]

Any singsong silksong news today?

[languid linden]

No because it has a Void Hornet 😠

Also I'm in the video for about half a second

at 0:20

[coarse leaf]

man, first dsn now this

ur moving up in the world

[languid linden]

Oh it's because I was in DSN

He showed a screenshot of DSN's videos for about half a second and mine was there

So yes I am very famous

[silver oak]

Speaking of DSN

WAIT HE GOT RAZ LMFAOOOOOO

WTFFFFFF THE FULL CIRCLE

[languid linden]

Kekw

[trim estuary]

Ok but who’s Raz

[warm bone]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[pallid flare]

incredible

[trim estuary]

Who’s Razbuten

[languid linden]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[burnt topaz]

omg he did, ara a real one

[marsh ibex]

Made a video about silksong wait, pioneer of “gaming as a non gamer” aka forcing his wife to play doom as their first fps a true chad

[trim estuary]

Ok

[tawdry valley]

If that’s the “the pain of waiting for video games to release” I’ve yet to watch it cause of the stupid title

[pallid flare]

razbuten is great, check them out

[tawdry valley]

I watched the non-gamer gaming videos but that’s about it

[marsh ibex]

Says the emmi

[charred cloak]

game?

[coarse leaf]

no, this isn't how you're supposed to play the game

[marsh ibex]

hot take
I enjoy the people who complain about silksong’s wait more than the ones who say to “just wait” and feel that they add more to conversation

[pallid flare]

just wait

[shell yacht]

[nimble pebble]

Wait just

[marsh ibex]

and no, this is not a statement artificially constructed to make people mald, I genuinely believe this

[tawdry valley]

Not, like, what I mean.

[marsh ibex]

que

why ping

[coarse leaf]

anyone here get a pre order of the lock on magazine?

[safe adder]

[glossy gazelle]

[random zinc]

i had no idea this was a thing! did you support them on kickstarter?

[coarse leaf]

no, only came across it recently

[sand sequoia]

Is there supposed to be a team cherry piece in there or somethign?

[coarse leaf]

pretty sure its just interviews with mossbag and fireborn, nothing official

[sand sequoia]

ahh okay

[languid linden]

You're not wrong I guess

[barren roost]

I see your point

[mild loom]

how? 🥴

i need to get that done soon, i’m trying to do every boss on radiant

[indigo nymph]

oh wait this is the wrong chat

[trim estuary]

Just wait

[proud vale]

Yeah look adding something to conversation is important

[coarse leaf]

conversation += 1

[jaunty jetty]

97 days before Silksong, be strong

[pallid jetty]

wait

there was a release date?
Since when

[lament drum]

theres not, i think theyre going of the february thing

[pallid jetty]

oh

Feb 1st?

[vague heath]

wdym, silksong releases next month

[pallid jetty]

please.
Don't give us hope

[pallid flare]

lies

[upper sigil]

silksong releases after hollow knight release

[high hedge]

True.

The mossbag theory

[languid linden]

Lies, deception!

[proud vale]

But Simo said 1 month!? || /s||

[pallid flare]

simo betrayed us in more ways than one

[serene chasm]

one month?

[knotty dragon]

I hope there's something similar to Godhome so bosses can get replayed

[serene chasm]

Nope. You can only fight a boss once. Once.

[hollow smelt]

hornets house and there are silk dolls

IM FUCKING CALLING IT, I HAVE BEEN FOR MONTHS

[knotty dragon]

THAT WOULD BE SO COOL

[hollow smelt]

I KNOW

IM TELLING YOU THATS WHATS GONNA HAPPEN MY GUY, TRUST IN MY TIME TRAVELNESS

its in silksong

[knotty dragon]

proof?

[hollow smelt]

just trust me

[knotty dragon]

bruh lmao

[hollow smelt]

im calling it just trust me

[vestal wagon]

Hot take: They're gonna do what they did with the first game and drop it like a week after it's announced. Hence why we have no release date. They'll give it shortly before the game actually comes out

[hollow smelt]

[hollow smelt]

this has been discussed more than i can count

and it is what they will likely do because TC said they want to put the game out there as soon as its ready

[vestal wagon]

Well it's still somewhat contoversial since sone insist on belueving they need to give a date earlier than that

[opaque sigil]

Not really a hot take ngl

[vestal wagon]

Not really a hot take to rational, patient people.

Very hot to whiners who don't understand delayed gratification.

[opaque sigil]

ig the general consensus is up to two weeks, so a week is a bit shorter than most consider likely

I could see a week though

The what

[warm bone]

lock it again

throw the key into a volcano

[lean jacinth]

Sigh. Waiting for Silksong is very hard

[trail void]

Probably the last boss fight in Hollow Knight IMO

[proud vale]

GEF pioneered an era of hype

[warm bone]

it's annoying

[proud vale]

He piloted the hype tram into many endeavours that turned out to be fruitless

[languid linden]

...
Soul Warrior can still be a skin in Smash right?

[proud vale]

Right?

[high hedge]

Instead of Silksong, Hornet gets an assist trophy. Elaborate marketing campaign

[languid linden]

Uh okay

[pallid flare]

aren't you the guy that kept spamming this kind of stuff in #omori-support

[crisp drift]

exposed

[proud vale]

that is uncomfy

[pallid flare]

what a small world

[serene chasm]

BUSTED

[pallid flare]

[chilly nexus]

<@&283547423706447872>

tyty

[proud vale]

Yeah thanks, that was cooked

[pallid flare]

cooked on what

[proud vale]

on a feeling

[chilly nexus]

tbh, any nsfl/overtly uncomfortable things, even with the claim of 'wrong server' should be a ban. (which i think is what happened?)

[pallid flare]

i didnt look at it too closely

[proud vale]

I really wish I didn't

[fathom peak]

it was disturbing

[chilly nexus]

my music was too loud to process it, i just knew it was bad

(don't be afraid to mod ping guys so they can be taken down sooner )

I get though that those things can be disorienting

[serene chasm]

How's my favourite discord channel doing today

[chilly nexus]

I'm the butter on the waffle

[serene chasm]

So good?

[chilly nexus]

melting into something savoury, but melting nonetheless

[serene chasm]

That's deep man

[chilly nexus]

ty I'm taking a poetry course for fun

[proud vale]

Give us a ss discord haiku

[shell yacht]

no no no no no
there is not any new news
now shut the fuck up

[chilly nexus]

Because it was not / into existence, they brought / we stayed here to talk

[proud vale]

heartfelt powdered

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-fine-ill-do-it-myself-ill-do-it-myself-gif-22181201

[warm bone]

this should replace sspsa

[safe orchid]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[safe orchid]

Just making sure

[cerulean sable]

an army of the weavers
is stalking now the greymoors
eating all reality 😔

[silver oak]

this is 6-7-6

wait actually it's 7-7-6

7-7-8 if you read 😔 as "pensive"

[coarse leaf]

I just came for news and saw that

[serene chasm]

wow, ttacco is trash
haikus are not his forte
should stick to modding

[cerulean sable]

ok actually

i didnt even notice you guys were making haikus

i literally just dropped in out of nowhere and lyricposted

[hollow terrace]

Still a point off for missing to turn in the assignment

[proud vale]

Also forgot your harvard referencing

[trim estuary]

And the burritos

[coarse leaf]

I wonder what silk soul Mode is that game 🤔

[serene chasm]

its the game

[coarse leaf]

Ik

But about silk soul Mode

[proud vale]

Hopefully like the base game but much harder

[serene chasm]

If you die is SS mode you die in real life

[proud vale]

Silk Song Online?

Or did you mean Silkception

[serene chasm]

Yes. SSO

[iron spear]

Yo wassup ssdisc

[silver oak]

wassup our dear community leader

[olive bobcat]

What's updog

[silver oak]

updog your mama

[serene chasm]

howz it hangin, homeslice?

Yes! Your brain matter feeds me

[silver oak]

Curly is an eldritch beast confirmed

[gaunt fox]

hungry

[silver oak]

Curly is just wah confirmed

[iron spear]

Keep the dream alive fellas

[silver oak]

Will do

[iron spear]

I can't wait for this game to come out

So I can actually talk to you about it

[serene chasm]

Like Mr. Aerosmith says, "Dream on"

[silver oak]

Stop
Stop torturing us like this

[iron spear]

I mean that though

No troll

[serene chasm]

We are excited too. You are gonna have to wait a year for me to beat it all first

[silver oak]

Yeah but still
Ik NDA and everything but like holy shit, you've played silksong

And I'm like, talking to you

[iron spear]

Nah I just garden bro

[brave stone]

He's the lead play tester so ya

[silver oak]

The community is actually the community garden

[serene chasm]

what plant is the easiest to speedrun?

[iron spear]

Weeds bro

[silver oak]

Everyone always complains about them tho

[serene chasm]

Do weeds count in gardening speedruns

yes

[iron spear]

Cannabis is illegal in Australia

Not allowed naughty naughty

[silver oak]

Wow imagine not poisoning the bodies and minds of the youth of our communities

[iron spear]

Hey what's with right wing America thinking we are some locked down country lmao

[silver oak]

Hey what's with literally everything right wing America thinks

[iron spear]

My state has seen like 15 days of lockdown in... Nearly 2 years now

[silver oak]

Actually, I'm not gonna go into politics here

Never ends well

Politics are temporary, but Silksong is forever

[iron spear]

Silksong is a political sim

[livid parrot]

everyone is on lockdown when graig is on the towwn

it's for everyone's safety

[cerulean sable]

Also we discussed earlier Graig but are you in any obligation not to tell us something in the demo? Mostly on pogo control
react 🙂 if you cant

[cunning geode]

dont tell him anything

[silver oak]

Will you participate in the democratically-elected Pharloom parliment, or install yourself as the tyrranical ruler of the kingdom?

[cunning geode]

little rat doesnt deserve it

[iron spear]

Go on

[silver oak]

👀

[cerulean sable]

It was because we were discussing whether pogo went forwards or backwards depending on the input

like if you pogo on someone

cuz treehouse demo girl smashed her face into moss mom a couple of times

so we were like "how do you control her pogo in the demo" since we cant find someone who did play it and interrogate him in our basement for 72 hours

[iron spear]

What do you think

[cerulean sable]

were not sure honestly 🥴

[silver oak]

I assume that was why the question was brought to the red name

[iron spear]

I probably can't say sorry.

[cerulean sable]

ill just assume this is teetering NDA breach so im not gonna push

but yeah my assumption at least was that not holding any horizontal directionals willl make hornet rebound to the left (if youre poging diagonally to the right) then holding forward will make her pogo forwads

ahh fair

time to find smoeone who played the demo then

Wombat, coordinates, now

[iron spear]

At PAX Aus when mossbag came we were at the booth last day they were about to pack up and I waited till everyone left. Then I asked moss to film me and I was going to show some advanced play/combo links etc... But they told us we couldn't

Oh well

[silver oak]

Wombat is the Kowalski to TTacco's Skipper

[cerulean sable]

exactly

that was so bullshit

[iron spear]

Like they I mean Nintendo guys who packed up

Lol

[cerulean sable]

ye ye

[iron spear]

Not TC

[silver oak]

We were this close to greatness

[cunning geode]

tf you know I cant just give those away willy-nilly

[cerulean sable]

this is not a request

this is an order

[gaunt fox]

mama mia

[cunning geode]

gone fishing

try again later

[serene chasm]

here I go again

[silver oak]

2: here I go again

[cerulean sable]

but yeah

[gaunt fox]

i just hope tc is doing good, hope they’re eating ample amounts of protein

[serene chasm]

woah. ttacco posting SS concept art

[silver oak]

Spectacular

[gaunt fox]

real concept art drawn by tc

[olive bobcat]

You have to say fake

[cerulean sable]

no wait better

[gaunt fox]

no no, it’s real

[cerulean sable]

fake

ACTUAL GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE

they wont downgrade from this im sure 😎

[willow sinew]

Can I cause civil unrest in Ecuador?

[silver oak]

banned