sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

You don't even have to get close to dread enemies

[gleaming coral]

made perfect sense if you played previous games. HK combat is better overall I agree, especially with mobs.

[split blade]

samus has always been known to be related to the ||chozo|| thats more not knowing the context

[opaque sigil]

Which of course just happened to be this one. That's what contrived means

[split blade]

yeah thats not the point

[stiff burrow]

I have not played Dread but if the story makes no sense if you haven't played other games that seems bad to me

[opaque sigil]

Dread enemies are often just obstacles you can shoot without interacting with

[split blade]

he's a major leader of the race lmao, i could say its contrived that this random bug is the son of the king of a dead kingdom

[rapid topaz]

That is a good point

[opaque sigil]

TK isn't a random bug

[gleaming coral]

How? It's literally a sequel and culmination of the last 4 games as Nintendo has stated

[split blade]

and samus isnt a random person

[opaque sigil]

[split blade]

she has had a connection with the chozo

[opaque sigil]

That's a ludicrous equivocation

[stiff burrow]

They could've somehow summarized what you need to know at some point

[gleaming coral]

they do

[split blade]

its like only watching the 3rd movie of a trilogy and saying the story sucks and makes no sense lmao

[opaque sigil]

[gleaming coral]

play the game lol

[trim estuary]

Trollhunters moment

[stiff burrow]

Then it's fine
LIke I said I didn't play Dread and I don't plan to cause I need a $60 game to be longer than 10ish hours to be worth it

[opaque sigil]

Ok either you're being willfully obtuse or you just don't understand the point. Either way this isn't worth pursuing

[split blade]

honestly think long games are actually bad

[gleaming coral]

The average completion for Dread is likely above 10 hours for what it's worth.

[opaque sigil]

That isn't a defense for short games

[torn ravine]

Dread is awesome so far.

[split blade]

a lot of them are full of annoying filler

[brave roost]

dread is not worth it

[opaque sigil]

But just go to #off-topic or smth this is #sk-discussion

[split blade]

? how is pointing out a criticism about long games not supporting shorter games

[brave roost]

good story line, bad portrail

[languid linden]

Google says 7-9 hours

[stiff burrow]

"Some games waste time so long games in general are bad"
Like I said earlier, just not worth it to me to buy short games for $60 when I could buy other ones for $10 and get the same amount of content.

[split blade]

i finished in 7 hours

[opaque sigil]

7.5 and that was taking it slow as possible

[opaque sigil]

Or in HK's case like 10x the content

[languid linden]

But then again google says Hollow Knight is at most 40 hours so...

[brave roost]

other M is better

[rapid topaz]

It took me 12 hours but I'm the kind of persons to seek eater eggs in games so I would have likely spent even more

[wooden harbor]

Hi

[languid linden]

Ah nevermind it's from 2017

[analog lily]

well yeah,, but Maybe that means just like getting a ending? or something becuase getting all endings definitely takes longer than that

[rapid topaz]

I'd say it's more like 7-8 for me, for all the content

[split blade]

dont get how this detracts from dread's quality?

[brave roost]

its ok i spent 60 + hours on HK

[opaque sigil]

General philosophy

[languid linden]

It took me over 120 hours to get 112%

[stiff burrow]

It was to respond to when you said "honestly think long games are actually bad" "a lot of them are full of annoying filler"

[brave roost]

I still havent compleeted the game

[split blade]

deltarune so far has better content to me than hollow knight but its free and hollow knight costs money so hollow knight is worse

[opaque sigil]

By a price:playtime ratio technically

[stiff burrow]

No one's talking about quality of the game or which game is better here you know

[analog lily]

Costing more money does not mean worse, it means more expensive

[brave roost]

you are comparing apples to oranges my guy

[rapid topaz]

250h+ on Hollow Knight (including randomizer save files) so I have to admit, it has a freaking great replay value

[stone oxide]

that's not necessarily how it works, if something is a total waste of time even if its free that doesn't automatically make it better than HK

[split blade]

this is the worst method ever im sorry, i have 1000 hours in smash bros and i had way more fun in my 7 hours of metroid

[opaque sigil]

Did I say it was a valid metric

[split blade]

lmfao.

[split blade]

tammo is

[opaque sigil]

Not really, no

[brave roost]

If you are going to play metroid, play Other M

[split blade]

"metroid dread is not better than hk" "metroid is overpriced and overhyped"

[analog lily]

and HK is probably more fun too,

[opaque sigil]

Its being overpriced and overhyped is not a statement of comparison, saying that dread is not better than HK is also not a statement that HK is better

[stiff burrow]

Well all I'm saying is that I cannot afford too many games so I will be prioritizing ones I can get more time out of
Among the games I think I'd enjoy.

[gilded adder]

It's not really about playtime or price. It's about how much you're willing to pay and how much enjoyment you get out of it. If you're willing, a 60 dollar 5 hour game could be a great purchase to you if you had an enjoyable enough time with it compared to a 10 dollar 60 hour game.

[split blade]

now youre being willfully obtuse

[opaque sigil]

No, you just blatantly misinterpreted what I said

[split blade]

saying something is overpriced and overhyped is a statement of quality

[opaque sigil]

It's a statement that the hype and price exceed its merit. I did not say it was a bad game

[analog lily]

among the games
among us
see how Among us gets into literally every conversation

[high hedge]

Are we still talking about Dread?

[opaque sigil]

No.

[brave roost]

dont you dare start

[split blade]

lmao sure

[opaque sigil]

Yes

[stiff burrow]

Using the word "among" is putting Among Us in the convo?

[opaque sigil]

I said outright that it was a fine game

[analog lily]

in a way yes

[brave roost]

dont even start with that horrible franchise

[opaque sigil]

Are you done with the straw man argument now

[split blade]

thats ironic

[stiff burrow]

Wut. How else would I phrase that tho
Well whatever

[gilded adder]

Let's all be civil here.

[analog lily]

yeah that's the thing,
among us somehow gets into every conversation
somehow

[high hedge]

So is the crux of the argument a lack of replay ability?

[brave roost]

focus on the good non brain rotting games

[rapid topaz]

Let's probably talk about tools, perhaps || /s||

[split blade]

im going to play the 5th game in a series and then call the story bad when i dont understand bc of the lack of context from previous games

[opaque sigil]

There isn't an argument, I just said that dread was overrated

[languid linden]

Does it follow the story of other Metroid games?

[opaque sigil]

And here we are

[analog lily]

I think i missed the sarcasm there, unless it isn't

[high hedge]

To each their own, though I feel a lot of games get overrated

[split blade]

yes very much so

[opaque sigil]

The writing's just shit

Continuity isn't the concern

[hoary pecan]

I'm loving dread tbh, but I can only speak for myself

[split blade]

there isnt any writing

[high hedge]

Anytime I hear “Best X Game of the Year”

[split blade]

there's no dialogue,,, how would there be writing

[opaque sigil]

There's dialogue, just sparse and unremarkable

[high hedge]

Are there cutscenes?

[split blade]

thats what i mean

[analog lily]

from the trailerrs there is, just not that much and it seems like bad writing too

[languid linden]

Wait what, how is there a story then

[high hedge]

Because those get scripted out

[split blade]

the dialogue is not the story

[hoary pecan]

Yeah the dialogue is just kind of there to service the gameplay, it's passable

[opaque sigil]

There isn't really a robust narrative

[analog lily]

It kind of explains the story though

[split blade]

no i mean, if you only pay attention to the dialogue for the story in metroid youre not going to get the story

[high hedge]

Environmental storytelling

[split blade]

on top of that metroid is not really about a contiguous story, its more about exploring a new world and learning slowly about it

[brave roost]

no the wrighting is perfectly fine the story is amazing, its that it does not portray it well(making dread verry JUNKKY)

[opaque sigil]

The environment is too nondescript for that to really work.

[split blade]

its really not, i feel like you didnt pay too much attention

[analog lily]

yeah true, but it still kind of explains the story of the game anyway

[rapid topaz]

I haven't seen much of environmental storytelling in Dread. That's something I would say for Super Metroid, for sure, but not really Dread, in my opinion

Or maybe some other episodes that has a consequent work into the environments

[split blade]

its like boiling down hollow knight's environment to "oh wow this is the mushroom place" instead of seeing the details around the world that make certain events entertaining

[opaque sigil]

Can the dread talk just go to #off-topic already

[split blade]

lol

[high hedge]

But this is #md-discussion

[brave roost]

YES PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[languid linden]

Mountain Dew?

[brave roost]

go away

[frank marten]

let the people be happy

[worldly dune]

#sk-discussion more like #off-topic

[frank marten]

there isnt news, all topics SS related have been used, tools are still there

[brave roost]

BUT THIS IS FOR SS not MD

[frank marten]

aight so tools

[split blade]

could be more fun to talk about all the news we've had since january than to call a game bad for not understanding it

[high hedge]

Tools amirite

[analog lily]

well yeah #sk-discussion is just #off-topic Discussion but better really

[rapid topaz]

Tools

[frank marten]

what more can we talk about?

[rapid topaz]

Huh..

[split blade]

nothing lol

[analog lily]

tools

[brave roost]

why hornet wears red

[opaque sigil]

You can just chill, you know. ik you think I insulted dread but that doesn't mean you need to be so aggressive

[frank marten]

likes it

[hoary pecan]

Let's talk about how cute hornet is as a character 😍

[high hedge]

To signify that the game is a prequel

[rapid topaz]

random predictions, like April 4th 2022

[split blade]

not even being aggressive? just pointing out bad analysis? you could be taking it a little personally

[analog lily]

or lets talk about the upcoming mario crossover event in SS

[opaque sigil]

How would that signify that

[split blade]

hornet will probably end up as my favorite protag of all time

[frank marten]

red and prequel share a letter

[hoary pecan]

Hornet is going to be in the new mario movie post credits scene

[brave roost]

dont you dare

[opaque sigil]

Your typo betrayed the counter to that

[analog lily]

red and sequel also share a letter

[frank marten]

yes i messed up dont need to point it out

[split blade]

[frank marten]

yes thats what i wrote initially

in the pursuit of funni i became the joke

[high hedge]

Red is the color of a red clock, thus signifying a time before

[analog lily]

yeah but clocks could also signify a time after

[high hedge]

Oh shoot

[frank marten]

wait yea clocks go foward

[high hedge]

It’s a broken clock

[brave roost]

broken clocks dont move

[analog lily]

so it doesn't move? Does that mean no SS?

[frank marten]

then ss happens during hk

[high hedge]

Yeah they’re simultaneous

[analog lily]

but that's already proven false, also since when are clocks red?

[high hedge]

It’s Hornet’s twin

[frank marten]

cuz red looks good

[analog lily]

Winged nosk in SS?

[brave roost]

hornet is an only child

[hoary pecan]

OMG guys Hollow knight: Silksong has three L's in it. And we're currently taking a fat L by having no new info. Half life 3 confirmed... so funny Haha!!!!

[high hedge]

Hornet imagined the sibling

[rapid topaz]

2 L's in Half Life 3 haha

[brave roost]

then its like LOZ majora's mask (the events that never happend)

[opaque sigil]

The alternate timeline thing has been suggested but it's inconsistent with TC's statement regarding the endings (which is ironic because it's oft posited as a way to make that statement work)

[brave roost]

thats true thats why hornets secreet sister dosent exist

am I realy that profound?

[coarse leaf]

yup

[brave roost]

its so quiet

[rapid topaz]

I have a theory

[brave roost]

ok go

[rapid topaz]

Nevermind, not anymore

[brave roost]

what why

[rapid topaz]

That's a way too much stupid theory lol

I just realized

[brave roost]

we all share stupid theroys

[opaque sigil]

Tell us

[brave roost]

yes do tell

[opaque sigil]

Now

SS headcanons are on topic

This is #sk-discussion not #ss-lore

[brave roost]

SS-DISCUSSION = any thing Silksong

[hoary pecan]

OKAY GUYS I MAY HAVE FOUND SILKSONG NEWS

Are you ready?

[opaque sigil]

Well this never ends well

[brave roost]

true

[hoary pecan]

I promise I'm not

[brave roost]

give, no rick roll, or you die

[rapid topaz]

I'm intrigued about the opening cinematic scene (where hornet is free-ing herself). I was supposing it was a sequel, so hornet would have been captured because of something "bad" she has done to the Pharloom Kingdom. And I was thinking that this thing is related to Hallownest in some ways. Can't explain my thoughts properly sorry

[hoary pecan]

Edge magazine have an unlisted 2022 annual in the search bar that hasn't been published yet. With hornet on the front

[opaque sigil]

Well, she could have been captured without having done anything wrong

[coarse leaf]

its the same article unfort

[rapid topaz]

Yeah, also true, it's probably more logical in that way too

[hoary pecan]

It's the same image buttttt that doesn't mean same info

[coarse leaf]

it is tho

[opaque sigil]

And a magazine can have Hornet on the cover without an article, especially if it's a retrospective or smth

Not really, not if it never promises a TC interview

[brave roost]

it would but it is not illigal

[hoary pecan]

Damn, for a speculation channel you guys are negative as hell 😒

[opaque sigil]

Plus if you look at the cover it has other things, it's clearly not a SS feature article

[brave roost]

you should have said that to IGN

[coarse leaf]

its the same article btw guys, the mag is just a compilation of articles throughout the year, thats why its an annual

[opaque sigil]

Yo celeste news

[hoary pecan]

Fairs, that's a shame

[brave roost]

ahh you found me

[rapid topaz]

Tetris block pogchamp

[hoary pecan]

I havent actually read the silksong magazine, is it worth the purchase

[brave roost]

no thats elon musks new testla design

[trim estuary]

Why’s it say 2022

[brave roost]

its a lie

[opaque sigil]

Releases in 2022, contains articles from 2021

[trim estuary]

Nope it’s real now

[brave roost]

you cant lie to me

[rapid topaz]

Pandora's box has been opened

[languid linden]

Pandora Palace

[rapid topaz]

Pandora's Grotto

[opaque sigil]

SS discussion opens pandora's box every other week, been there done that

[brave roost]

now we are talking about Kid Iccuris

[opaque sigil]

Pandora's box is from greek mythos

[rapid topaz]

Kid Iccuris?

[opaque sigil]

Kid icarus may have appropriated that mythological artifact but it isn't where it's from

[rapid topaz]

did you meant Icarus, or Iccuris is a real thing?

I might be dumb

[opaque sigil]

Probably mean icarus, like the game Pit from smash comes from

[brave roost]

yup

[opaque sigil]

Also weird character to make a game out of since he dies

Icarus doesn't get a happy ending

[languid linden]

"Hey dad Imma fly to the sun!"
Falls into the sea

[rapid topaz]

Yep I know Pandora's box isn't from a videogame, obviously. It's also a common expression, so easy to remember

I was just wondering of Iccuris. I thought this was something lmao

[opaque sigil]

It was the wax used as adhesive

[languid linden]

I thought it was the wax that melted

[brave roost]

it is wax

[languid linden]

I'm pulling all of this knowledge out of the back of my brain. Like, I learned this back in 6th grade

[opaque sigil]

So am I

[languid linden]

Some story we had to read for english

[barren roost]

is it safe for me to assume this is not real?

[opaque sigil]

It's real just immaterial

[brave roost]

hold on you are a potato, potatos cant talk

I fear talking potatos

[trim estuary]

I don’t wanna hear it silksong pfp

[brave roost]

well of course you do

[opaque sigil]

Ok gef pfp

[trim estuary]

Excuse me I’m the opposite of GEF

[opaque sigil]

So what, kirb's pfp isn't an HK pfp? c'mon

[trim estuary]

No it’s not

[languid linden]

Tammo's pfp is actually a HK pfp

[trim estuary]

No it’s a fire emblem pfp

[burnt topaz]

we discriminating against pfps again

[opaque sigil]

You're both right

[brave roost]

this is a judgement free zone

[opaque sigil]

since when

[brave roost]

i think

[languid linden]

And your window will soon have a hole in the shape of you

[brave roost]

you get off the server

[opaque sigil]

Defenestrate the reprobate

[coarse leaf]

great, now i have the song playing in my head

[brave roost]

so it is judgement free

no

[trim estuary]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

And so Johnny created desolation and called it peace

[brave roost]

shall we kill him

all in favor say vision spheer

[coarse leaf]

coughs

[opaque sigil]

🦗

[trim estuary]

🪲

[brave roost]

dude you got a scarab beattle

[barren roost]

It took me five months to realize this

[olive bobcat]

We members of ss-discussion are not particularly bright

[sterile sleet]

You can say that again

[languid linden]

Yo bhkr is back

Wait he was here on saturday too

[tawdry valley]

don’t tell Aluo that we all just pretend to be dumb in here so he doesn’t feel left out

Strikethrough so only people who are not Aluo can read it.

[sage berry]

well that explains the sequelists

[coarse leaf]

i just pop in to check for news, but there never is any....

[languid linden]

:agonyking:

[opaque sigil]

[languid linden]

agonyking in main when

[opaque sigil]

Edge was enough for all of 2021 change my mind

[sage berry]

The fact that the lack of news on the development has been normalized is sad

[coarse leaf]

i guess it depends on the person

[opaque sigil]

I mean Edge was objectively a ton

I was half joking but yeah, Edge constitutes a years worth of info imo

[sage berry]

for silksong standards

[opaque sigil]

For anything standards

[tribal merlin]

the problem is not a lack of news, it's people not being able to deal with it

[sage berry]

it really is just for silksong standards

TC used to be way more open

about the game's development that is

[opaque sigil]

Eh, they were more focused on publicizing around announcement

[tribal merlin]

that was when they were kickstarted, now they're self funded and don't have to answer to anyone

[sage berry]

that's not really an excuse tho
this silence is not normal among indie devs

[tribal merlin]

it's not an excuse, it's a fact

[sage berry]

I don't think we're on the same page

[opaque sigil]

The silence is only abnormal among indie devs because most don't have the funds and security to do without the constant pleas for attention

TC's relative silence is a luxury, not a failure

[sage berry]

anyway this is besides the point
what I meant was that silence as opposed to transparency is objectively worse

[tribal merlin]

there's very little projects that really are transparent regarding their development

[opaque sigil]

Not really. Transparency can be problematic for preservation of mystique

And TC has been far from silent, their updates have merely grown somewhat more sparse

[sage berry]

bro I'm not asking them to reveal details of the game

I'm talking about the stage of development

[tribal merlin]

[sage berry]

there's nothing damaging about filling fans in about how the development is going

[languid linden]

I do think they should do updates more often, like once every 2-3 months or so

[tribal merlin]

if they're not saying that it's going bad then it's going well

[opaque sigil]

Maybe but they objectively have no obligation to do so

[coarse leaf]

i think the problem would have been people guesstimating release dates or smthn

[sage berry]

as if they already didn't do that

[languid linden]

I agree, I just think it might be better

[pastel silo]

Like they are not doing that anyway

[languid linden]

Appease the hungry fans or whatever

[tribal merlin]

they appease the fans by making the game

[languid linden]

That's like saying if I'm not dead I'm alive
Oh wait that's true, nevermind

Hey Simo

[charred pulsar]

"Hey it's TC here for another update. Game is still in work. Thanks for reading, cherry out!"

Is that good enough?

[opaque sigil]

According to some

[languid linden]

Pretty much

That would actually satisfy a bunch of people

[opaque sigil]

But realistically the people who say "we just want to know that they're alive" probably actually want more than that

[sage berry]

oh I want way more than that

I want "just started working on a new area"
"we're done with the new area"
"coming back to that area to add more stuff"

[tribal merlin]

they just don't have an open development style like eg wolfire had with overgrowth. they sold early access and used the money and feedback to develop the game. but being a 3d combat game where the mechanics were the focus it's very different from a game with a lot of places to explore

[sage berry]

"currently brushing out some enemies"

[languid linden]

Yeah that's the kind of stuff that I think would be beneficial, but of course they don't have to do this at all

[sage berry]

yeah they really don't
this is just me writing out my dreams in chat

[tribal merlin]

I think that would be pointless

because it would only be those 3 sentences over and over

[sage berry]

I think it would be neat

[languid linden]

omg it is famous ss dev Aloumoorg

[olive bobcat]

"Well I just want to know they're alive, but it'd be nice to see enemies, bosses, music, areas, tools, inventory, moveset, progress updates, team updates, but like I don't need any of that."

[sage berry]

three sentences can tell a lot. for instance:

"found the target"
"job done"
"hidding the body"

[coarse leaf]

"might as well throw in a release date while they're at it"

[languid linden]

That wasn't the target, that was me

[tribal merlin]

that tells nothing really

[opaque sigil]

I mean it says that they're working on the game... which goes without saying

[sage berry]

I-I'm literally confessing a murder

[opaque sigil]

So it says nothing material

[olive bobcat]

Ok but is it coming out in February or not

[tribal merlin]

nah

most likely not

[sage berry]

yeah we just really aren't on the same page in this convo

I just assumed most people valued openness like me but I guess I might be alone here

[tribal merlin]

well yeah, you want something where I don't even get why they should invest time into that instead of just making the game

[languid linden]

tbf it probably wouldn't take that long, a few days at most

[sage berry]

dude, it's just writing a blog post
they don't spend 24 hours developing the game
like, we can have both

[opaque sigil]

Other people can say their opinions too

[sage berry]

I never said otherwise?

[opaque sigil]

Blog posts take a good chunk of dev time

[coarse leaf]

i agree that people would probably be happier with more news, but in terms of sales for tc, they'll probably get just as much whether they have constant updates or not, so why bother

[languid linden]

Then again I don't know much about game development or blog post writing

[pastel silo]

No way to tell how likely or unlikely it is...we have nothing to build our estimations on at this point

[tribal merlin]

if I'm ordering a meal I don't want to hear from the kitchen "now taking meat out of the fridge - now seasoning meat - veggies going in, looks good - I'm heating up the sauce now - we're almost ready to plate" just shut the fuck up and bring me my food when it's ready

[sage berry]

ok but your meal doesn't take 3-4 years to make

but again, if you don't care it's fine

I personally value openness from devs

sigh, I love having to repeat myself

[tribal merlin]

my point is not about time, it's about the inconsequential message

[sage berry]

they don't need to reveal details about the game

[hollow sedge]

team cherry has probably already revealed what they wanted for silksong, i really dont think a blogpost would take that much time

[sage berry]

it doesn't even have to be a blog post
like

[tribal merlin]

they're perfectionists, they're handcrafting each letter of that blogpost

[sage berry]

twitter exists

[tribal merlin]

twitter is dogshit

[sage berry]

cool

[tribal merlin]

I understand how somebody wouldn't want to use it

[coarse leaf]

the people who read their tweets/blogposts are probably gonna buy the game regardless tho, whats in it for tc?

[charred pulsar]

What would you like them to say on Twitter though?

If not game details

[sage berry]

my god, it doesn't have to twitter, it doesn't have to be anything in particular
we live in the age of information, there are tons of ways of getting messages across

[tribal merlin]

they said it above, like "starting work on an area, making progress, returning to that area to fill in more stuff"

[charred pulsar]

So progress?

[tribal merlin]

yes but detached from actual content

[charred pulsar]

Time till completion? What if that creates expectations which don't get delivered?

[tribal merlin]

they wouldn't say what area or what it's like, just "an area"

[hollow sedge]

nothing, just stay silent until the game is finished at this point

[charred pulsar]

So basically "We're working on the game" but instead of game, using specifics like area, or boss, or enemy? etc.

[sage berry]

what kind of expectations are you talking about?

[tribal merlin]

yes but without actually revealing anything from the game so it would be an empty message

[charred pulsar]

If they had given away how far along they are, that'd create expectations of game finish, scope or general progress yeah

[gaunt fox]

i feel like if they just put a graphic on their site that says “working hard!” People would still be like “but are they? 🤨”

[tribal merlin]

at least that's what I understood was desired

[charred pulsar]

Yeah same cheesoid

[tribal merlin]

they should do a progress bar on the SS website that changes to a random state each day

[gaunt fox]

Would be nice

[charred pulsar]

100%

[gaunt fox]

the message time limit would go up to an hour

[tribal merlin]

did simo just confirm the game is ready?
https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/240443/1

[olive bobcat]

Modern slang and game references

And for them to like my posts

[sage berry]

I don't really see a problem with that tbh, they're not making promises
people try to infer how far into the development the game is even when in our case where TC is as silent as they could

like, this isn't a no man's sky situation where the devs say "our game will have X and Y" and then fail to deliver it
the devs here would be saying "we're working on X"

[tribal merlin]

well their coder did some HK fixes and they weren't at e3 so there's some facts one could speculate upon

[cunning geode]

people can just leave TC alone

the end

bye bye

[worldly dune]

what

[coarse leaf]

i mean, yh, people are hostile about release dates even when theres no evidence, imagine how it would be if tc actually implied a date and missed it

[tribal merlin]

he said progress bar is 100%

[hollow sedge]

there has been a few promises that have already been made, like over 150 enemies being in it

[worldly dune]

lmao

[olive bobcat]

SS progress bar goes up to 112%

[charred pulsar]

100% of 1%

[sage berry]

oh just to be clear I'm not against TC wanting to be open about some stuff
as they have been

I'm just saying they don't have to because I don't know what's ok and what isn't

tbh if TC didn't care about fans knowing more about the progress of the development, they probably wouldn't mind too much to reveal a little bit more about the scope of the game

[tribal merlin]

with most products you don't get any development updates so in comparison TC are a chatterbox

[sage berry]

you should be comparing TC to other indie devs, not different products

[tribal merlin]

"we're making a new phone and are currently designing the circuit supplying power to our wifi module"

why

other indie devs, like stated before, rely on outside funding and pretty much have to catch attention regularly

TC don't have that problem and so they don't have to do that

[sage berry]

we're literally going in circles now

[proud vale]

Simo lays the smackdown 2021 colourised

[tribal merlin]

and apparently they don't want to

cuz otherwise they would've

[coarse leaf]

HEY EVERY !

[tribal merlin]

oh no it's black hole mach effect string tanga theory time

[coarse leaf]

hey

Hi BHKR! Long time no see!

[languid linden]

Hey [[Teser4ct]]

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Teser4ct?action=edit&redlink=1

[proud vale]

It does kind of suck that TC can't even give like a wide time window, like Q1 2022 for example

[tribal merlin]

if they knew they could 100% meet that then maybe they would give it

the thing is they probably can't

[coarse leaf]

yh, nice to see u

[hollow sedge]

TC is too far into development anyways, I don't see a point of going all out with marketing until the game is at 100%, the hype is already there

[coarse leaf]

F=mc^2

[proud vale]

Or maybe like before Q2 2022

[tribal merlin]

well Leth said before Clownsworn so there you go

[proud vale]

Just to give a limit

[hollow sedge]

sometime in 2022, there u go

[languid linden]

Before December 2023, probably

[tribal merlin]

yep

[coarse leaf]

Sometime ⁿᵉᵛᵉʳ

[tribal merlin]

Nov 30th 2023

[coarse leaf]

Heh, couldn’t help it

[hollow sedge]

i cant wait for November 10th, 2021

[coarse leaf]

wow, didnt know that

[tribal merlin]

maybe TC don't count in base 10

[languid linden]

284 days since edge

Alright wifi going out bye

[coarse leaf]

wasnt there a theory that edge games were released less than 9 months after an article

i guess that was bs lol

[cerulean sable]

they should add towers in silksong that allows you to map a region then liberate it

[waxen agate]

Gameeee

[proud vale]

I can't tell if you're going for Farcry there or breath of the wild

[tribal merlin]

so if TC count eg in hex base, then "1000" would be 4096 and so the date would be Friday, 3 May 2030
which seems like a pretty good guess

[cerulean sable]

i mean isnt that how every Ubisoft games operates for the past 7 years

[tribal merlin]

ubisoft

[proud vale]

Pretty sure every hk fan will have moved on by 2030

[tribal merlin]

when chat moves from "when is SS coming out" to "what should I tell my kids about when SS is coming out"

[proud vale]

Once my child beats p5... only then will I allow them Silksong

But yeah hopefully closer to release we can get a quarter year release window.. though I know thats not really how TC makes games

[tribal merlin]

the problem is that there's no defined end state. it's done once they say it's done

and they won't go "we'll say it's done in 3 months"

it's more like
"you think it's done?"
"yeah no, maybe we should work a little on that area and add some..."
"shut the fuck up let's release it"

[proud vale]

Hahah I wonder who would say that to who

Ari getting verbally abused over at TC HQ

[rigid isle]

dfotp \

l.h8vo

help

[proud vale]

Yeah look it's not the most fan-friendly way to develop but they make great games so it's fine

[heady iron]

optimized

[charred cloak]

any news?

[wheat sail]

No 😦 (

[charred cloak]

okay thanks

[wheat sail]

np

[charred pulsar]

HD edition

[proud vale]

8K upscaled

[proud vale]

kms what is that

[cerulean sable]

amogus enhanced edition

[proud vale]

Amogus game of the year

[nimble steppe]

Team cherry holiday sign off

[silver oak]

In 2 months and 2 days, it will be the 2 year anniversary of the last blogpost

[random zinc]

“dont worry” says leth “we fixed the website so we can make more blogposts”

[night silo]

where did he say that

[cerulean sable]

crowsworn/ss interview iirc

[random zinc]

during the interview

its on yt its got some good nuggets if youre starved for content

[cerulean sable]

it was like
Leth: "Hey I fixed the website, now its much more intuitive"
TC: "Hey thanks"
Leth: "NP, anyway uhh, if you guys wanna do blogposts, well there you have it. You know, you could do it now, right guys?"
TC: " :) "

[random zinc]

yeah ik im just joking, haha. i want them to take their time, i just like exaggerating my suffering

[cerulean sable]

Yeah im just adding to what you said

Leth is has been hinting them to make a blogpost but at the end it seems its TC's choice whether they want to or not

[brave stone]

Ya leth still has not answered for that one. He did say "more blog posts are coming and more are planned" ...............ME where blog posts?

[cosmic widget]

meanwhile at mongoose rodeo https://twitter.com/MongooseRodeo/status/1447676087144701959

Mongoose Rodeo (@MongooseRodeo)

Kickstarter update coming in the next couple of days.

Likes

366

Twitter · Oct 11, 2021, 9:30 PM

[frigid basin]

yeah seriously, where are they

we've had shit since January (technically before that)

[cerulean sable]

again, hes been the one also egging for blogposts
but honestly i prefer this silence

[frigid basin]

i don't

[cerulean sable]

too bad B)

[random zinc]

if they show a single new enemy the entire community would collectively pass out

[brave stone]

all we want is one pixel man

[cerulean sable]

yeah and then youll have people going "OH THATS IT????" and complain anyway

or ofc the people who will butt in asking for a timeframe

[frigid basin]

you don't determine what they do, so...

[cosmic widget]

It would be frustrating since after so much silence all they show is that. It would make more sense to share something of actual substance

[cerulean sable]

i didnt say that i did?

like lol i dont control TC

[brave stone]

Sure you do you have Taco powers don't you? 😛

[cerulean sable]

yeah sure let me just tell them to release a blogpost in our super secret chat

maybe i can get permission to release the Beta 0.89975v to this very chat right now if i ask nice enough

[hollow terrace]

Taco begs Simo and Benji for Battlefield info all the time in the super secret channels

[primal oriole]

yeah TC controls you with the mod hivemind that lets you all know Silksong's release date

[brave stone]

Ari and William using social media??? HA good one

[random zinc]

do you guys think lace will be an ally by the end of the game?

[cerulean sable]

i dont even play BF 😎

Ari never uses SM

[primal oriole]

maybe but I think she'll probably be a corpse

[cerulean sable]

guy only had an instagram and even that was private

[random zinc]

like she’ll sacrifice herself?

[primal oriole]

no

[brave stone]

I mean there is William's twitter be we don't count that cursed hellscape

[primal oriole]

she'll get murdered

she might sacrifice herself but I think it's very likely Hornet just stabs her to death

that seems like the most in character move for her

[random zinc]

i want hornet to become friends with like half the bosses they seem so much less mindless than the ones in hk

[cerulean sable]

like for real, yes, im kinda ehhhhh with the very long silence style theyve been doing but i get the angle with it in a way
imo the less talks about it, the less expectations to be generated if they start showing features that ends up getting axed on release

besides once you get past that point its easier to just let the game simmer on its own vs to hyping every direct for news

[random zinc]

im half and half on it, id love to know where theyre at but i don’t necessarily want to know more abt what happens

[brave stone]

I am just hoping for something in December

[cerulean sable]

if they release news, then ill be excited, but while they dont, ill just sit here doing my own thing not burning myself out

[primal oriole]

yeah I don't mind them not giving news

[brave stone]

and thinking Silksong may get it's date revealed at the Video Game Awards

[primal oriole]

I trust that eventually the game will be out, but yeah something in December would be nice

[cerulean sable]

again for the upteenth time imo, if we dont get something major by Dec im hopefully thinking the game is gonna be ready soon

[radiant wraith]

If I were them I would post screenshots taken straight from the old trailer to see the reaction

[cerulean sable]

the way i see it, its like

why give out news when we can just push forward a little more since were close to the end product anyway

[fleet temple]

I'm with taco on this one, I think the next peice of news will be the release trailer, whnever that may be

[cerulean sable]

if say (again hypothetically)

i have a game, and i usually do updates on December
but my game is already looking to be finished past December
Id rather wait out and just keep finishing the game, then release the game a few months after December (like probably March or April)

[hollow terrace]

Im on “it won’t be anything related to a release” boat

[cerulean sable]

tho i think April is a bit too far off

[random zinc]

february really makes sense to me for me, even if the day was just a placeholder

[cerulean sable]

if its like Jan to early March then i MIGHT consider giving 0 updates and just release the game

[random zinc]

i could see that

[brave stone]

Well what's hard is on the one hand. No Silksong at E3 and TC seemingly being more silent than usual could mean something big is coming soon. On the other hand last year the riddles were a spur of the moment thing that were not meant to happen and the only thing we would have gotten last year was the Edge article.

[cerulean sable]

if its April onwards, then MAYBE a 😉 😉 update wouldnt hurt

[brave stone]

So IDK if we will get news or not

[radiant wraith]

They don't need to give us an update, I think we haven't forgotten about the game yet

[cerulean sable]

yeah thats what im betting

IF they dont do news by Dec, i can (hopefully at least) see them releasing it near HK's anniversary because why update if its like a 2 month distance at this point, makes it much more hyper IMO at least

[brave stone]

Seems fair but who knows

[fleet temple]

I feel like now I'm just kinda chill now, I think we could get something by dec but I could see somewhere in mid 2022

[random zinc]

the creators arent at all required to go to e3 tho they have plenty of hype already

[cerulean sable]

yup same way im thinking

its been a lot better to

from "IT HAS TO RELEASE BY NEXT MONTH" to "Ehh i can see it taking a year or moreso"

[fleet temple]

I can't see it releaseing by 2023 tho

[primal oriole]

I could see it I just think it would mean the game is really big

[cerulean sable]

we said that for 2020 remember

[shell yacht]

yall never waited a quarter of your life for game to get just get canceled and it shows

[random zinc]

dude people were so pessimistic after e3 they were like “well i guess its coming out 2025 😞

[primal oriole]

and idk if I would want a game that huge, unless a lot of it was unnecessary bonus cool stuff

[radiant wraith]

I'm still thinking late 2023 or 2024.

[atomic scaffold]

Oh yeah, it has to be at least 2024

[random zinc]

why do yall think that?? theres no reason to believe theyre only halfway done

[radiant wraith]

And you know I'm very good with my predictions since I predicted that Elden Ring would release in 2023 as well

[atomic scaffold]

||(Heavy sarcasm btw)||

[cerulean sable]

My own personal safest frame of reference is, even if TC has gotten really used to unity and shit
The game will still take 3-4 years in terms of designing, planning and developement

espcially since i view it in the way that SS, despite being mentioned to be in dev since HK's release, didnt get actual game dev until near or after Godmaster's release

so i count the true start from Aug 2018, were at like, 3.2 years into full Silksong developement

[fleet temple]

probably because their hope got crushed at the direct so they push it back further to calm down

[cerulean sable]

i think in general they already built up everything

its a matter of filling the gaps and shit

and that takes a long time

[fleet temple]

I can safely say 2022

[pulsar trout]

the m5a8 is the strongest rifle in battlefield you're welcome for the leak

[cerulean sable]

bullshit

its not even as strong as Indom Adrenaline 2hander builds

[pulsar trout]

i thought we agreed not to mention that and use it before all the others caught on

wtfwtfwtf

[radiant wraith]

I see we are in the mood for spewing pseudo nonsense

[worldly dune]

dead

[random zinc]

what is pseudo nonsense??

[cerulean sable]

my main concern only with the length is the the gathering quests being arbritraty collect 15 bear asses is the most boring way to add quests even if say the twist is, those 15 bears you killed are actually the children of same nature god or some shit

so hopefully they dont end up being random go here, get x/y quests

no benji just dont know how to build proper 2hand builds so he has to rely on his shitty modern firearms to do the work for him

[random zinc]

bear asses?

[cerulean sable]

its a joke on MMOs

[random zinc]

OH i was very lost

[cerulean sable]

because usually it has those quests where they ask you to collect x amount of items

[random zinc]

i dont mind fetch quests tbh

[cerulean sable]

you know, oh hey adventurer were running out of pelts, killing these respawning bear's until you get 15 pelts and come back to me

granted im not expecting TC to go down the route of respawning mmo grinding ofc

but i just find the idea of go to this area, find these specific items and hope to the best you dont end up doing a pixel hunt finding the last piece

[radiant wraith]

Everybody gangsta until the fetch quest starts with "collect a delicate flower from..."

[fleet temple]

I could see it as maybe you have to go back to areas you've been to but there might be some sort of twist, like maybe there's new enemies or some parts are blocked off and you need to do a parkour challenge

[random zinc]

plus im sure tc would be creative about how they do quests like that, they have a very crafted approach to game development

[fleet temple]

they'll probably add something like that

[cerulean sable]

as long as they make the quests actually fun without feeling like they added it for the sake of inflating the game then sure

aka

Borderlands 2 advertising about how they got 2893482390432 guns

[proud vale]

Yo Benji back? pog

[random zinc]

guns should be added to ss

[cerulean sable]

to the point it won guiness book of record in gaming with having the most guns in a game

[random zinc]

hornet with gun

[frigid basin]

example

[cerulean sable]

but in reality the guns in BL2 were basically just a mishmash of gun parts claimed to be new cuz of math

[fleet temple]

*gunness world records

[shell yacht]

that drakescale kaiju fighter for xbox is one

[proud vale]

Yeah basically a random gun generator

[cerulean sable]

its like saying we have 30 different houses, but the only difference is this one has a different color, this has a different window size, this one has a metal plated door, etc

yes

[shell yacht]

Scalebound*

[cerulean sable]

ohhh we have 150 new enemies, 10 of which has the same shield and slash behaviour yada yada
you get me

[proud vale]

Yeah they'll just be variants on a core template which is fine

Like I would guess most of the ants will have similar movesets

[random zinc]

i really dont think thats tc style, im not worried

[cerulean sable]

at the end i guess you can break everything down to simple parts

and theyll all be similar

but its a lot less noticable if you dont overinflate it at the sake of claiming you have variety

[frigid basin]

😢 didn't that have updates at least

[proud vale]

I wouldn't be worried anyway because it's not a bad thing, helps the player make some sense of the environment

if similar mobs have similar attack patterns

[shell yacht]

they updated that they wanted someone totake it from them

[random zinc]

theres like 4 or 5 enemies exactly like tictics but it didnt make me enjoy hk less

[cerulean sable]

just worrying that new players will force themselves with the quests which will burn them out
yeah yeah i know "just dont play them then" but its still your job as a dev to protect them from going to those pitfalls

like HZD ive noticed people tends to say they enjoyed the game ALOT more when they ignored the side quests

i dont want that for HK

[shell yacht]

idea, tiktiks, but they seek you out instead of robo path

[cerulean sable]

i want every quests to at least feel like they fit the world without some random side story that gets completedly forgotten 2 minutes after

[random zinc]

yeah i feel the same thing about BOTW the sidequests are mostly not worth doing

[proud vale]

TC definitely seem like the bunch to take into account how all players might play the game.. and hopefully craft the quests in a way where you can't just spam complete them all early game and burn yourself out

[cerulean sable]

id take like 20 quality quests over 5 new ones each zones, only to realize 2 out of 5 of those are gonna be another "go to this area and collect it"

[frigid basin]

Platinum has commented that they would like to see the IP return

meaning that they could try what Nintendo did with Metroid Dread

[radiant wraith]

I don't think Hornet is the type of person to fetch 10 buckets of water from the sacred fountain to help some random citizen of Pharloom with their gardening

[proud vale]

Yo hit me up with those shitty skyrim bandit auto-generated quests

[shell yacht]

so when im 40

[random zinc]

have yall played metroid dread? i might get it

[proud vale]

I mean, the Knight doesn't seem like the type that would take a fragile flower to a grave either but you have the option

[shell yacht]

Hornet is a spider with parkour
there better be a pizza time mission

[worldly dune]

agreed

[radiant wraith]

Hornet has free will

I wonder if Hornet will swear

[proud vale]

So does the Knight?

[cerulean sable]

yeah fair but yeah, just wanted to say you still need to protect your players from those
like you never know if the quest is actually worth or not (for now at least)
inb4 you put a tool that causes radiation poisoning and kills bosses at the rate of mach 12 but its lock behind some simple "collect 15 flower banquets for me pls" quest

[random zinc]

i hope the quest rewards are super worth it too. itd suck to do 10 quests for a guy just to get a pat on the back

[frigid basin]

i haven't but it's really, really good

[worldly dune]

garrama?

[cerulean sable]

im currently going through MH World atm

and like, theres some quest that upgrades your gardens and shit

[frigid basin]

the wait was worth it, according to both most players, and critical reviewers

[sage wing]

SHAW

[radiant wraith]

I was thinking about something like frick but this works I guess

[proud vale]

Yeah I think that's going to be similar with the knowledge from Grindle, not sure if it's gonna be worth it or not until you pay for it

[cerulean sable]

which is really important if you wanna amass items, but like some of them are lock behind "collect 2 eggs while a 12 feet tall wyvern tries to bury your ass"

[random zinc]

ooh its very tempting even tho its $60

also shaw does sound like a swear

[cerulean sable]

like what id think is cool is say
find x amount of flamerocks to create hole to some area
not only do you get rewards monetarily, you also create new entrance/shortcut and a fast travel option
BUT you still better make the quest itself enjoyable instead of just doing it cuz the reward is really good

[radiant wraith]

Balancing quest rewards is weird; you can't have them make you too powerful to properly enjoy the game

It sucked in the Witcher 3 when you did some side quests and ended up being over leveled in the main story

[random zinc]

i would make sense if you can only complete quests and get the reward in a late game area

*it

[proud vale]

But then you would always just avoid the low benefit quests, it would make it more interesting to have some with mystery benefits (cause then for example you wouldn't expect an easy quest with a mystery benefit to open up a whole new area then you pog)

[cerulean sable]

yeah like imagine finding the last piece of a gathering quest

then the floor collapses

[proud vale]

Yeah that would be hype

[cerulean sable]

then your screen is filled with like

------------------
SHERMA'S NEW CITADEL
------------------

[random zinc]

oo i like that ci

[cerulean sable]

as long as they dont over do it

[radiant wraith]

Pharloom's toilet

[random zinc]

tc are geniuses i trust them

[cerulean sable]

like id would be lame once you eventually hit the point where you just KNOW something is gonna happen

every quest

[random zinc]

they have big brains

[cerulean sable]

but then again the "twist" part is probably just a hyperbole

[radiant wraith]

And quests with multiple endings?

[cerulean sable]

they should go the bethesda route

[random zinc]

yes id love some quests that branch out into 3 or 4 endings

[cerulean sable]

ending 1 = be very good
ending 2 = be suddenly evil for the sake of it even if it doesnt make sense

[radiant wraith]

Be evil but you have a cool boss fight

[worldly dune]

Be not evil and still have one of the best boss fights

[fiery coral]

be evil, then you are the cool boss fight

[cerulean sable]

example
Quest Giver: Give me 5 pieces of moss berry
Good Ending: Give him 5 pieces of moss berry
Evil Ending: Give him radioactive berries that would kill him and the entire town but youll do it because the evil reward is another extra 100 rosaries

i swear theres a lot of RPGs that has that issue, the evil route is being an asshole for the sake of it

hence i prefer it when New Vegas had a moment where youre sent down a vault to turn off the radiation because the crops are dying on the surface, but ||once you get down there, theres apparently a family of living and sane ghouls who got trapped sometimes during the revolution in that vault, and killing the rad will kill all of them||

[radiant wraith]

Eh, HK didn't have any moral dilemmas an RPG might have. Maybe SS will?

I personally think not, they already have their hands more than full

[cerulean sable]

i dont think HK will have any moral stuff, since Hornet is already premade for most

if they do its probably gonna be more of a weighty choice of whos betterment, whether its impactful or mundane

[rigid isle]

I think it might since you know hornet has a soul and is capable of higher thought and communication so relationships with npc's might be a bigger part of the game

[agile kelp]

tk is sentient

shoot sorry caps

[rigid isle]

I mean like actually has thought

[fiery coral]

let's put it this way

[serene chasm]

• kill Sherma *
  you have gained karma

[fiery coral]

what they mean is Hornet can talk

and express herself eloquently

[fiery coral]

[radiant wraith]

Trolley problem but it's Sherma vs 3 random bugs. Sherma dies permanently

[rigid isle]

but the knight can't think right?

[agile kelp]

but the question is will hornet piece things together while the player still has no clue whats going on?

[worldly dune]

shawty

[agile kelp]

they can, void has some level of consciousness and i think the knight is always thinking,"where am i and what the hell is going on"

[cerulean sable]

There are 2 tracks, one with Sherma and the other one without
Not pulling the trolley will just proceed with nothing ever happening
Pulling it will redirect the train and kill Sherma

would you do it?

[rigid isle]

ah

[worldly dune]

if he gives me cake i'll save him

[agile kelp]

i know nothing about sherma but they seem nice

[radiant wraith]

If killing Sherma gives you extra completion percentage

[agile kelp]

unless theyre like millebelle

[cerulean sable]

Sherma is nice on the surface

but beneath that cheery smile lies an insidious evil:

MARKETING

[agile kelp]

killing nailmaster gives you extra percentage, would you do it?

[serene chasm]

Pull it and kill Sherma. Then put the train in reverse and hit him again to be sure

[radiant wraith]

YES

[agile kelp]

oh god no kill it immediately

[worldly dune]

rinse and repeat till he becomes a pulp

[cerulean sable]

you know what Sherma will be? hes gonna end up like Small Groot, Baby Yoda, and Paimon

evil little bastards created to make a cute character to be sold as plushies

[agile kelp]

do it until youve trollied sherma out of existence

[rigid isle]

who is sherma

[cerulean sable]

https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Sherma this little shit

[radiant wraith]

Kill little cymbal-hatted bug

[fiery coral]

[worldly dune]

[fiery coral]

wai

[agile kelp]

something so innocent so evil

[cerulean sable]

Crimes:
being helpless to the point Hornet has to save her ass multiple times
that stupid cymbal hat
marketable plushies

then again there are fleas

thats probably the 2nd evil that exists in this game

[worldly dune]

what if you steal sherma's hat

[agile kelp]

theyre tiny flying sias

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL9kNvtdrNM im telling you Sherma's fight is gonna be this

[radiant wraith]

It makes a cymbal sound when you hit the ceiling

[rigid isle]

I love her already

[cerulean sable]

beware the wolf the wears sheeps clothing

[agile kelp]

although we dont know much she may end up being the next zote

[worldly dune]

her????

wait is sherma a guy or a

[agile kelp]

idk someone said her abd i thought she was a she

[rigid isle]

but zotes the best character right?

right!?

[agile kelp]

im not talking about gpz

[cerulean sable]

sherma is a girl right?

[radiant wraith]

right? right? right?!

[worldly dune]

right?

[agile kelp]

left?

[rigid isle]

down?

[worldly dune]

[fiery coral]

up?

[worldly dune]

above?

[fiery coral]

https://tenor.com/view/up-bye-gif-18483444

[radiant wraith]

I'm headed whichever direction leads to a dead Sherma

[cerulean sable]

silksong pvp 6v6 mode where different characters sit on a chokepoint until they get their ultimates to push the point

[fiery coral]

what'd he do to you

[worldly dune]

hornet for smash?

[cerulean sable]

god i wish

no were getting hornet for overwatch instead

unfortunately

[worldly dune]

awesome but not awesome

[cerulean sable]

ikr

[radiant wraith]

steal my heart

[rigid isle]

what even

[cerulean sable]

pvp silksong with how attacks work feels so wrong

but ill be a sharpe main tbh

[radiant wraith]

Hornet for smash!
oh

right

[worldly dune]

yeah she probably would have a better moveset than TK tbh

[radiant wraith]

Hornet doesn't go to Smash, Smash goes to Hornet

[worldly dune]

who gives smash invite letter to Hornet?

[radiant wraith]

You need to find it inside Sherma's skull

[rigid isle]

but hollow knight multiplayer or a combat competition was be a great idea

[worldly dune]

IM COMING FOR YOU SHERMA

[cerulean sable]

honestly have you seen the PVP Hollow Knight vids?

it actually has a lot of cool moments tho the netcode can be a bit funky (tho as far as achievements its pretty good)

[radiant wraith]

The problem with the idea of PVP is that now you have to balance the game around both PVP and PVE. This can negatively influence what gets implemented in PVE I think. And if PVP is a completely separate thing then what's the point?

[agile kelp]

hollowknight,silksong and fortnite collab battle royal

[rigid isle]

no what i'm tying to say is that the hollow knight combat system would be really fun for pvp already but like you might want to slow down spells a a tiny bit like with the shade but without the windup animation

[agile kelp]

yeah, theres actually a mod for that

[rigid isle]

I know i have it installed

[agile kelp]

it would be really interesting to see how hornet would be against tk if hk had a pvp mode

i mean i know tk would automatically lose but still

[worldly dune]

hronet would just be dead\

[agile kelp]

i remember ss chat discussing who theyd main if hk was in smash and you could play any npc you meet that can fight

[agile kelp]

i meant hornet 1 against early game tk

[shell yacht]

hell

[rigid isle]

I mean we all know that markoth would win

[agile kelp]

markoth can defeat rad

[eager wren]

Good morning fam
Any news about SS yet

[warm bone]

heh

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[pulsar trout]

pog

[fiery coral]

Benji

[proud vale]

BENJIII have you been grinding out Nick all stars tech?

[ocean mulch]

Benjog

[muted orchid]

Bininjin

[proud vale]

Benjulean

[pulsar trout]

nah I haven't, bit steep price been debating it

[proud vale]

Yeah same. I think personally I'm gonna wait to see how it plays out and if they'll actually polish it to a smash 4 standard at least

Just basically seems like rivals at the moment more than melee

[small obsidian]

I finished the other day this Australian plattaforming game

With a spider for protagonist

Very fun
It had an ant mech and all

[worldly dune]

o

[proud vale]

Is that 'Webbed'?

[small obsidian]

Yeah

Very cool
was totally not trying to make a silksong but not! joke rn

You can make music with the strings

Dare I say.....make a song with the silk

[copper knot]

speaking of other games

metroidvania with jojo stands good game

only got the first ending tho

[small obsidian]

Ender lilis?

Gotta play it some day
Whenever I get enough storage capacity

And a more powerful machine

[proud vale]

game where you keep dying and finding dead alien lore also good

[hushed wasp]

silksong battle royale
(with an ingame shop)

[copper knot]

yeah

the game is actually kinda hard ngl

im struggling on ||julius||

[hazy dome]

https://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1447655278275534851?t=sFTyJVSawqixMJdOb3hcPQ&s=19

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[wary marlin]

Silksong

[sage wing]

no they can jsut be balanced differently

[copper knot]

what

[agile kelp]

holy shit what is that

[copper knot]

pls dont ghost ping me

[agile kelp]

replied to the wrong message sorry

[copper knot]

ah

[hazy dome]

A new show work on by Alex Hirsch

[agile kelp]

i am 100% watching this

[hushed wasp]

No.. it cant be...

The myth, the legend..
is back?

[hazy dome]

Yes , hes back
Even before Silksong

[hushed wasp]

[tired lake]

Revive chat

[stark estuary]

No, let chat die.

[hushed wasp]

Death

[tired lake]

But chat is cool

But I suppose it's the clam before the storm when SS releases in 2023

[analog forge]

2022 you mean

[stark estuary]

Silskong is coming out in 2049

[burnt topaz]

32 years in development

[stark estuary]

HK was in development for 30

[hushed wasp]

Its either Feb 2022 or feb 2023
deal with it lmao

[stark estuary]

No, I won't "deal with it".

[hushed wasp]

Yes, you will

[stark estuary]

If HK was in development for 30 years what makes you think SS will be finished in like, a tenth of the time

[hushed wasp]

Hk wasn't developed in 30 years

[stark estuary]

Yes it was

[hushed wasp]

.. no

also, team cherry is rich now and has experience

They started working on silksong after hk released which was 2017 iirc, so theyve been busy for almost 5 years

[stark estuary]

You need to start giving evidence to support your statements

[umbral jungle]

bruh

[cerulean sable]

imo they did some conceptual work by 2017 but the full work weve seen in the trailer was something they made during mid 2018

[cerulean sable]

i doubt theyll be able to allocate actual dev that much time to SS into the engine itself since they worked on the DLCs too

and like they mentioned, theyre already working on a new non HK game but atm its mostly just random ideas they pitch to some google docs

so in a way i think SS had a similar process before Godmaster

[inner magnet]

30 year is taken from a different statement, not how long it was in development

[stark estuary]

That was a joke. In all seriousness though, the development time of HK is not indicative of what Silksong's will be, and TC being "rich and having experience" doesn't indicate this either since it isn't as though they're working on it 24/7 and the allocation of additional resources doesn't get rid of the fact that they're still a very small team - SS will release when it's ready to be released and trying to predict the release month is not a fruitful line of reasoning, imo.

[stark estuary]

Obviously I wasn't being serious, 30 years ago the members of TC weren't even born...

The first page of Google saying that was just a funny coincidence

[hushed wasp]

30-year
ah yes the gremmer is made of spalling

[valid sable]

I think they were born by 30 years ago. They totally came up with Hollow Knight at 2 years old

[cerulean sable]

i agree with this one

for me comparing SS to HK's timeline is a decent assumption for when it could release but without knowing their scope and such, its really hard to dictate when

[agile kelp]

wait hes done stuff from before?

[hushed wasp]

He did gravity falls

[stark estuary]

Literally read one message up

[agile kelp]

ooh nice

[hushed wasp]

Literally understand the fact that what i said was a joke, i obviously know it didnt take 30 years and im not stupid

[stark estuary]

It had already been established by two people that the 30 years thing was a joke and your reply occurred after the chat had moved on from that. Nobody said you were stupid.

[agile kelp]

i think they were just saying so no one else gets confused like that one person who believed hornet was actually void

[sage wing]

i am stupid tho

[cerulean sable]

aight chill out lads

unless you want me to take both of your silksong privileges

[wooden sorrel]

What's Hornet's favorite band

[cerulean sable]

100 gecs

[chilly nexus]

omg wait SS is coming out in 2047 now? ||am not being serious, dw||

[agile kelp]

dont you mean 2057? or 5757, or the year 57

[sage wing]

i have a genuine question is silksong actually real

[upper sigil]

just time travel

[bleak scarab]

Its both real and not real we won't find out until it releases

[sage wing]

ohhhhh

damn they brought quantum physics to ss? thats crazy

[velvet ruin]

Ah yes, the famous Schrodinger's Silksong

[native ivy]

No.

[chrome wave]

Are there any New possible silksong leaks?

[bleak scarab]

No

[vast pecan]

when is it coming out...

[shy kiln]

Is Silksong actually a scam and they are just going to make Zote as playable?

[coarse leaf]

when I want it to

[pallid flare]

hello silkers, what are we songing about today?

[hushed wasp]

Image dragons

[pallid flare]

i did, now what?

[crisp drift]

now add o to your name evermore

[coarse leaf]

image dragons

[crisp drift]

exactly

[light obsidian]

whats the next speculated time for SS news?

ive fallen behind on the dates

[crisp drift]

2077

fr, not enough information are given

many guessed 2022, but some guessed 2023

[coarse leaf]

whoever reacted with 💩 please surrender right now or we may use physical force

[tribal merlin]

tho 2022 is just [next year] which tends to become the preferred guess towards the end of [current year]

[crisp drift]

^

[alpine crane]

Feb 1st 2022

[wind rover]

Prolly like 2025

And the release date will be a year after that

And the actual game wont come out till like the end of the ps5 console gen

[tribal merlin]

the ps5 is already dying so... tomorrow?

[serene patrol]

Yes

I always say its 2023

It aint too long from now but aint too early either

[calm prairie]

are there any plans for silksong to be on other consoles like ps5/xbox series x

[serene patrol]

Its gonna be switch and steam

[tribal merlin]

we have a hint that 2023 is the latest it could release because Leth implied it'll release before Crowsworn

[serene patrol]

And then consoles

[fiery coral]

Not at launch, but I believe yes they are looking to port it to other consoles

[opaque sigil]

I mean tbf Leth clearly didn't mean that

[serene patrol]

Clearly?

[tribal merlin]

wdym it's our job to misinterpret Leth

[opaque sigil]

Considering the context of the statement, since it was an offhand comment that since Crowsworn is earlier in development he would be surprised if SS released after it

Leth's intent was obviously not to suggest a release by 2023 (and there's a very real chance that crowsworn will be delayed or rushed because they set a premature goal)

[pallid flare]

well you could say

[calm prairie]

k thanks

[tribal merlin]

there's no guarantee it'll be on a specific console tho (apart from switch obviously)

eg it could come to ps5 and not to ps4

[serene patrol]

Hopefully ps5 tho

60fps SS will look good

[opaque sigil]

Switch ran HK at 60fps...

[pallid flare]

silksong isn't particularly demanding is it

[tribal merlin]

we don't know

[opaque sigil]

Probably not, it's still a sprite-based 2d game

[pallid flare]

not that the switch can't run it on 60 fps

[tribal merlin]

unity has enough capabilities to slow down basically any machine to a crawl

just throw enough effects at it

[opaque sigil]

HK was well enough optimized, idk why SS would be significantly worse

[tribal merlin]

doesn't matter if it's 2d or 3d

[brittle rapids]

Silksong is just a meme to keep the Hollow Knight community alive, like Half life 3 and Yandere Simulator

[pallid flare]

haha

[tribal merlin]

though from the HK dev notes we know HK is really 3d

[opaque sigil]

From footage we've seen SS isn't way heavier on the effects or anything

[brittle rapids]

Its not coming out, any leaks trailers or screenshots are just photoshop or badgers

[tribal merlin]

there could be all sorts of complex lighting set up that you wouldn't categorize as an effect but it really is

[opaque sigil]

Not that we've seen. The lighting is comparable to HK's

[wind rover]

I say "ps2" "ps3" gen no matter who wins cuz theres a big easy to remember number on it

[tribal merlin]

yeah but we've seen next to nothing

[dusty obsidian]

Just got the hunters mark for the first time

[heady iron]

only different thing was the fight in the lit room where hornet and the enemy were shaded darker

[opaque sigil]

Extrapolating from what we have seen is more reasonable than wild hypothesizing

[heady iron]

but that's probably just a simple color modulation

[tribal merlin]

it's not that wild to think they'd use more unity capabilities than in HK to enhance atmosphere

[brittle rapids]

🦡

[opaque sigil]

Even if they did that wouldn't mean Switch necessarily wouldn't be able to handle it

[tribal merlin]

I didn't say it wouldn't be able to handle it

[opaque sigil]

I mean handle it at 60fps

[tribal merlin]

don't get me wrong, it'll probably run fine, but it may take more ressources to do so than HK

obviously still in the range of the devices they're releasing it on

plus they have a unity expert at coding

[opaque sigil]

And if HK performance were less reliable on switch then I'd be more likely to accept that as persuasive reasoning not to expect SS to be able to run at 60fps as well

[tribal merlin]

so a lot of the garbage coming up in other games prolly won't show its ugly face in SS

[opaque sigil]

Also this, this'll probably lead to better performance

[tribal merlin]

yeah if they dropped the framework then they can achieve peak performance
it's like using a web framework for your website vs hand crafting your website
you lose a lot of unnecessary ballast

and it's actually easier to debug

[heady iron]

they should drop unity altogether and have jack make their own engine

[tribal merlin]

#SS-2121

[heady iron]

and increase dev time threefold

[opaque sigil]

Maybe for the next game

[tribal merlin]

it's not reasonable for a small team to make their own engine from nothing

[opaque sigil]

True, and unity worked perfectly fine for them

[tribal merlin]

unity has its own problems but so would an engine they coded from scratch

[heady iron]

it'd be a nightmare for one dev to make an engine that publishes on as many platforms as hk is on

[tribal merlin]

you'd have to be a hardware expert to even think about starting that project

[heady iron]

I hope tc opens up for careers after ss, totally not gonna apply immediately or anything

[tribal merlin]

nah if they do it's gonna be another blizzard story from hell

expand, get bought out, go to shit

[opaque sigil]

Why would they expand

[heady iron]

supergiant has 20 employees

[opaque sigil]

So?

[tribal merlin]

they need a team of 30 students to do weekly blogposts so fans finally shut the fuck up about it

[heady iron]

3 devs, 17 blogpost writers

[stable current]

Anonced SS TGA 9 December?

[opaque sigil]

No way to know, precedent says no

[worthy lichen]

expect nothing