sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

Embrace the void

[trim estuary]

Embrace the void

[opaque sigil]

Wait no you need monarch wings for WP which you need for VH which you need for PoH

Unless there's a skip

[trim estuary]

No there probably isn’t

[analog lily]

Gramatically, it should be EtV or just EV depending in where you come from

[mortal grove]

embrace vodi

[opaque sigil]

Since when has anybody cared about capitalization in acronyms

[trim estuary]

eTv

[opaque sigil]

Ok yeah gotta draw the line somewhere screw that

[analog lily]

Well my english teacher when she marked my capitalisation in acrynyms so...

[jade canopy]

Yeah white palace is the place where all low% run die, like it’s the only reason for Cristal heart in low % godhome too

[opaque sigil]

I mean low% probably doesn't do dnm (unless that's a condition of the run)

[frank sparrow]

silksong where are you? are you okay?

[jade canopy]

I meant low % in a « could we do this ? » way more than the actual speedrunning category

[worthy lichen]

no

[opaque sigil]

It's better than okay

[mortal grove]

silksong ___ fill in the blanks

[opaque sigil]

Silksong will probably be a good game
That right?

[split cypress]

silksong amongus

[mortal grove]

no try again

[silk walrus]

Silksong for smash

[opaque sigil]

no

[shy kiln]

only 1 character left for smash, right?

[trim estuary]

yup

[silk walrus]

Yes and it will likely not be hk lol

[trim estuary]

how snail

[silk walrus]

But would be real cool 👀

[shy kiln]

I will not let go of my hope of Waluigi

[trim estuary]

There will be no waluigi for smash

[shy kiln]

I know

[silk walrus]

Yeah lol hk would be even more likely

[opaque sigil]

Celica fighter

[silk walrus]

Never heard of celica tbh

[mortal grove]

-5 social credit

[shy kiln]

How about, Skorpion? (From MK)

[mortal grove]

phoenix wright

[silk walrus]

Eh… wouldn’t be too hyped for either of those

[trim estuary]

Fortnite Jonesy

[silk walrus]

Undertale tho 👀

[trim estuary]

[shy kiln]

Kris

[trim estuary]

We already got sans, won’t happen

[mortal grove]

he be in court and hes like "this letter is proof for my client's innocence" and then the judge goes "but the letter is directed to you" and then epic smash montage

[opaque sigil]

Phoenix Wright would be funny as hell ngl

[silk walrus]

Well there’s more than just sans

[shy kiln]

What if Batman?

[trim estuary]

Yeah but sans is by far the most iconic character

[silk walrus]

No

[split cypress]

it will be amonus

[opaque sigil]

If anybody from undertale was going to be a full smash character it'd be sans

[silk walrus]

Octoling would be cool tbh

[trim estuary]

No echo fighter

[silk walrus]

True true true

[mortal grove]

his client is gonna be waluigi or something to troll everyone

[shy kiln]

What if Pure Vessel?

[silk walrus]

There’s still at least 5 splatoon weapons that octoling could get that would make her an entirely different character

[trim estuary]

Tabuu would be the best final fighter because then nobody wins except me

[silk walrus]

Maybe just… johto trainer, with different pokemon rather than kalos trainer

[mortal grove]

heavy

[shy kiln]

Ok bye guys

[trim estuary]

Ok bye

[mortal grove]

theyll probably do sora though (I hate that son of a female dog)

[trim estuary]

No echo fighter

[silk walrus]

Bruh who tf said that’d be an echo fighter tho

[opaque sigil]

What kamikaze's suggesting wouldn't really be an echo fighter, just have the same basic gimmick

[trim estuary]

It would be

[silk walrus]

Again, tons of potential to get a different moveset

[mortal grove]

hevy

[trim estuary]

The heavy is dead

[silk walrus]

Heavy?

[fiery coral]

Heavy.

[mortal grove]

why do slug cat and ori look the same doe

[shut kernel]

Silksong will release on [REDACTED]

[opaque sigil]

They don't doe

[mortal grove]

they do

theyre both white, they both look like cats (kind of) very slug looking

[opaque sigil]

They're both white, have limbs, have ears, and have black eyes, that's the extent of the resemblance

[mortal grove]

i mean ori looks like a monkey more

but if u told me they were related id believe you

[opaque sigil]

Well yeah I can be very persuasive

[mortal grove]

[opaque sigil]

After all I bet I could persuade you that this:

Is related to this

[mortal grove]

in what way? like as in theyre the same person or blood related?

[opaque sigil]

[mortal grove]

[wooden sorrel]

[rapid topaz]

Late reply, but, yes. I won't spoil anything here, I'll just say that I had a great time so far

Around 5 hours in

[proud vale]

Yeah nice dude

Some of this shit is damn scary

[rapid topaz]

I love how they made this DLC, the game designer and devs really should make more games

[mortal grove]

what is outer wilds about whats the gameplay like

[rapid topaz]

Space-themed adventure-puzzle, with some fantasy (to make it very short)

It's first person tho

I don't know how to describe it properly, the universe in this game is unique

[dim shadow]

My mind is being blown by outer wilds an nth time

It's a puzzle space exploration game with no direct guidance

[gray lance]

Too hard to properly describe without spoiling. If you like the idea of simply exploring and solving what is essentially a massive puzzle, you'll love it

[rapid topaz]

yeah that's a good summarize

[dim shadow]

It's a good game

[dim shadow]

And they just like randomly dropped the dlc

I just went on steam and it says it was available like wtf

[rapid topaz]

Also I wonder what it feels like to discover the game right with the DLC installed, should be fun

[dim shadow]

Maybe

Might just feel like a small price of the story and be ignored

Piece

[rapid topaz]

probably

the real question is : can a DLC be at the game awards ?

[dim shadow]

I'm looking forward to more of the dlc because it warned me that it would be scary XD

[rapid topaz]

In general I mean

[gray lance]

I mean, PubG in early access was at the game awards. Basically anything is fair game

[dim shadow]

I'd recommend playing through it first, then the dlc

[tawdry valley]

Cause it was trendy but yeah.

[gray lance]

Yeah what Zheltz said. You can technically do the DLC whenever, but some stuff you learn in the base game is vital

At least if you want a smoother experience

[dim shadow]

Also, PLAY IT BLIND

[rapid topaz]

Hmm. I think you would naturally go for the base game, the game don't really tell you (don't look if you don't know Outer Wilds) || that the thing on the base planet is about the DLC, it's kinda mixed up with base game, and people would eventually look at other things firstly I guess ||

[proud vale]

I'm sure if people actually buy the DLC, they'll know how to access it

[dim shadow]

||most people don't really look on the first planet unless they know it's where it is||

[rapid topaz]

I didn't knew that lol

[warm bone]

Yo

[rapid topaz]

Because if it was only me, I would at least recognize Chapter 9 of Celeste being a (little) nominee

as like, Indie thing

[dim shadow]

Celeste is amazing

[rapid topaz]

Hi Gaming

[silver oak]

Yo yo yo
What crazy shit is going down today in #sk-discussion

Was the little emote in front of role thing recently introduced?

Or did Simo just take a few months to remember to implement it

Is there an indie game awards?

So many questions, no one to answer them

[warm bone]

No outer wilds had dlc

[silver oak]

Gaming do you know the answer

To life

[warm bone]

I know everything

[silver oak]

The headphones tell you all

[warm bone]

Yes

[rapid topaz]

I wish there was an Indie game awards but to be fair, I'm not a huge fan of this kind of event too

[silver oak]

They speak to you in your sleep

[silver oak]

It's hilarious how quickly people began to hate the Game Awards

It's been around for what, 5 years?

[ember geode]

Cause of the best game of the year last year

[formal karma]

I'm glad there's no indie awards, it would just be another weekend for news hounds to be dead wrong about

[rapid topaz]

No I don't hate it lol, I just think it feels a bit weird sometimes. Also I like the concert they did every year, it's most of the time very impressive

[marsh ibex]

Recent

[rapid topaz]

especially in 2018 were Celeste and Monster hunter covers were played

[silver oak]

The problem is, great indies can go completely unnoticed, much more than big budget game

[rapid topaz]

that was smooth af

[marsh ibex]

I was just happy that hades was nominated for goty

[ember geode]

Yeah it 100% deserved it

[marsh ibex]

and a little annoyed tlou2 got that many awards

[signal stone]

ghost of tsushima shouldve won goty

[formal karma]

Oh no joker.....

[silver oak]

You'd have to have a really dedicated nomination committee to pull that off

[mystic pewter]

absolutely

[silver oak]

Hades was great, just recently "finished" it

[rapid topaz]

I can't say anything about tlou2 I never played it, but this seems very controversed from what I've seen

but anyways Hades nominee is pogchamp

[silver oak]

In that ||I got to the credits, but I know the epilogue takes some more stuff to do||
I think I might be done for now tho

[marsh ibex]

Neither did I, and most of it is sweaty gamers complaining. But it got too muchhhh

[silver oak]

Got back into Minecraft recently, that's been fun

[formal karma]

New update is cool

[silver oak]

Honestly, I would gladly argue that Minecraft is the greatest game ever made

[placid pawn]

I haven't played tlou2 since I heard a certain character was killed

[rapid topaz]

well Hades is like Binding of Isaac in some ways, in term of game design, especially just for what you mentionned

[rotund aurora]

This is just offbrand offtopic isn’t it lol

[formal karma]

For me minecraft lacks enough world progression for it to be truly great

[rapid topaz]

that doesn't surprise me for a rogue-lite

Spelunky has this feeling too

[nimble radish]

based

[placid pawn]

little nightmares 2 is great sequel

they deserve more recognition

[silver oak]

Yes it's marketed as a survival game, but at its core it's a true sandbox game that allows you to basically do whatever you want with one of the best interfaces I've seen in a sandbox game and with a first person perspective, which gives you a personal connection to it

[rapid topaz]

man I've played the first Little Nightmares recently it's a banger, I should go for the second

[placid pawn]

yes you should it's so good

[rapid topaz]

I didn't know I liked this genre until now

[placid pawn]

they improved a lot on the game play imo

[haughty brook]

I never got the appeal from The Last of Us anyway, it looked like a HBO zombie show rather than a videogame and I'm the kind of person that likes stories in videogames but I don't like most television shows.

[rapid topaz]

👀

[formal karma]

I haven't made it all the way through little nightmares I keep getting distracted

[nimble radish]

one thing I noticed about little nightmares 2 from the gameplay I've seen is that keys now can be carried as well as other items, which is a welcome change

[placid pawn]

the first game had weird glitches and stuff

[rapid topaz]

that never bothered me though. Or have I just avoided the glitches

[signal stone]

cuz mono has a robe with pockets while six has a raincoat

[silver oak]

Hey guys, you wanna talk about what's going on in this place?

[placid pawn]

the second game handles physics better and more creative with gameplay

[haughty brook]

Hornet posses for the Edge Magazine

[silver oak]

Eh? Silksong? Eh?

[signal stone]

laces arena (?)

[nimble radish]

that's the lace arena isn't it

[formal karma]

Entrance to the citadel perhaps

[placid pawn]

hornet get her ass beat by lace (sequel)

[formal karma]

Or maybe even a back entrance

[silver oak]

Also how fucking cool are those massive metal pipes

[formal karma]

Wondering what gets piped tho......

[nimble radish]

I assume lace is guarding the elevator and when you beat her you take it up to the citadel

[haughty brook]

Seriously speaking, I don't have any kind of clue whats going on except the field of flowers makes it for a cool boss fight I guess.

[rapid topaz]

Ah yes, I know where this image came from, I think it's silksong || shrek super party on xbox 360 ||

[nimble radish]

whatever they're mining in deep docks perhaps

[silver oak]

Makes me wonder if the entire citadel was man made and has to be supported by steel

Or I guess bug made

[nimble radish]

bug made

[placid pawn]

one man or 30000 bugs

[silver oak]

How many bugs does it take to screw in a lightbulb

[haughty brook]

I mean, last I heard citadels weren't made by nature as far as I know

[formal karma]

Could be a cave that they just set up in

[signal stone]

i assume you fight lace twice,once before the citadel and once in the end game just like hornet

[silver oak]

Well yeah, but what if it wasn't built on a mountain, like the entire area is a massive structure

[formal karma]

Or a massive structure to tower over the land bellow

[signal stone]

plus we see her in 2 arenas

[silver oak]

I do think that it's directly under the citadel, considering it feels so high up and also there's not really any light

[formal karma]

Could be in the Foundation like where seth was seen

[silver oak]

If the light source is at the top of the citadel, the darkest spot would be directly underneath

I would draw a diagram but I'm in class right now

[real vector]

I hope that so many of the predictions were wrong, just so we are surprised when the game finally comes out

[signal stone]

i think the flower field isnt the entrance to the citadel

the lava arena we saw in the treehouse event is

[silver oak]

No that's a very early game area

[solar bear]

i want control hornet

[haughty brook]

I never make any hard predictions because TC loves to make twists for the player and also to avoid setting up unreasonable expectations.

[silver oak]

Deep Docks is like the 3rd area, after MG and FoB

From what we can figure out

[signal stone]

i said that maybe you fight lace twice,it would make some sense

[tawdry valley]

So is fungal wastes, and it connects to all 3 dreamer areas, including CoT

Progression really could be anywhere, especially considering the citadel apparently isn’t even the endgame area

[silver oak]

Yeah but I don't think CoT = Citadel is a very good comparison

[nimble radish]

shermaU

[silver oak]

I disagree, I think the Citadel is the endgame area

What was that edge quote? One sec

[haughty brook]

Honestly trying to force equal comparison between HK and SS is not the best way to experience these games

[silver oak]

"Suffice it to say that there’s more to explore once we make it to the ‘top’, then? “Yeah,” Pellen says. “The initial hook is to get to the Citadel, which is at the top of the world. And then, you know, the next thing players might be presented with is, ‘Get to the top of the Citadel’.” Gibson interjects – “You’re saying too much!” – and Pellen laughs, “Is that too much?”"

-EDGE magazine

[tawdry valley]

Okay but consider CoT and East CoT

[silver oak]

East CoT does feel more endgame yes

[signal stone]

east cot is mid game

[tawdry valley]

I’m not saying it’s not lategame, I’m just saying that based on previous progression alone, there are lots of possibilities

[silver oak]

It's entirely possible there's a check in the citadel that requires you to find some item to open

[tawdry valley]

Early game: everything pre claw.
Endgame, anything post dreamers.

[silver oak]

And you can't find said item unless you go to the citadel and get a hint as to where it is, or something

[silver oak]

At the end of the day this is all speculation

All we know for sure is that there will be a citadel and that it will probably be the end of the game

[placid pawn]

the real citadel is friends we made along the way

[silver oak]

The real citadel was inside us all along

[signal stone]

i would say everything pre deepnest is early game

[tawdry valley]

This does not work. Because deepnest can be done last or first.

This goes for a variety of areas and abilities, including CoT, which can be entered last of all the areas.

[silver oak]

I've done that just to see, going all the way around the map without going in CoT

[tawdry valley]

Lategame area usually invokes an area that isn’t required for an ending; KE, QG, etc

[silver oak]

The only time I had to go in was to use the elevator to get from Kingdom's Edge to Resting Grounds

[nimble radish]

those areas are required for the additional endings

[tawdry valley]

This is a metroidvania, which is why early/late game are easier to define than the midgame. Because the midgame is basically everything

[tawdry valley]

I mean like, any ending

You can’t get to godhome or The egg without visiting Cot, Deepnest, and canyon

[signal stone]

mantis village is also entirely optional 🤷‍♂️

[tawdry valley]

You can get to the black egg without KE, QG, WP, basin, etc

[silver oak]

You need the dreamers to unlock godhome?

[haughty brook]

Again, trying to compare HK progression with SS in which we don't know jack squad about its map and general progression is kind of pointless.

[tawdry valley]

Sort of, but yes.

[silver oak]

I thought it was just a key

[tawdry valley]

You need the godhome unlocked pantheons to get the godhome ending

Which incldudes the dreamer bosses as well as every boss in game.

[silver oak]

You need claw to beat the game. Therefore, mantis village not optional

[eager temple]

fighting the mantis lords is optional though

[tawdry valley]

I think they meant like, lower mantis village and ML, but yeah

[silver oak]

Oh yeah ig

[signal stone]

you dont need it but it makes things easier,you get my point almost everything can be skipped

[silver oak]

I love the fact that you can see the other side of the door if you go through fungal core without fighting lords

I don't think many people would ever do that, but it's a neat feature and would make for some awesome mystery to any player who did that on their first playthrough

[tawdry valley]

“Skipped” in a different sense. More like “done later” because we are looking at everything on a scale; early-late

[tawdry valley]

You’d be surprised where natural exploration leads people.

Pathing has a generally common route, but no real “intended” one.

[silver oak]

There are several moments, including accessing all three dreamers, where claw is 100% necessary

[formal karma]

My exploration was duuuuumb

[tawdry valley]

Any linearity immediately breaks apart post mantis claw.

[silver oak]

I'm pretty sure I just took the most common route through the game for a while

[formal karma]

And even before, really

I got dream nail before mantis....

[tawdry valley]

Routes extend beyond simply area entry order.

[haughty brook]

This should be hk-discussion

[signal stone]

thats also what i did

[tawdry valley]

It’s off-topic 2.

[formal karma]

Samsies

[signal stone]

i bought the lantern and backtracked into crossroads,went into peaks and got dreamnail before lords

[formal karma]

Yeye

[tawdry valley]

You can get Dreamnail pre False knight.

Not referring to shadeskip

[signal stone]

when does the lantern become available at sly? is it available from the start?

[tawdry valley]

So even the early game has its own unlinearity.

[tawdry valley]

You don’t need claw to bypass peaks and get into RG

Just lamp and dash

[silver oak]

Yeah just rush lantern, go along bottom of Peaks

[tawdry valley]

And you don’t need to kill FK to get fireball. So you can do false knight last.

So yeah. Forget any notions of predicting long term progression in SS.

[silver oak]

I wrote a wall on how ascension in Silksong doesn't necessarily mean more linearity

[signal stone]

if silksong is twice as big as hollow knight then i have high expectations

[tawdry valley]

Well duh. HK was about decending. And see how that went for linearity.

[sweet lotus]

I don't know if it'll be twice as big

[silver oak]

I think that's the impression people have but after Hollow Knight I don't think TC would have it in them to make a more linear game

[tawdry valley]

I hope not

[gray lance]

If Silksong's theme is supposed to be ascending

Then I have high expectations

[tawdry valley]

Besides, their design process seems to be the same and lacking in reason for change. So yeah

[signal stone]

[gray lance]

Zote boat zote boat

[silver oak]

[signal stone]

judging from the benches alone,and considering how the games still not quite finished yet im assuming it is

[sweet lotus]

I understand. However that is an assumption. I do believe Silksong will be a bigger game than HK, but I would advise to not go in expecting HK x 2 and proceed to be disappointed by it if it isn't.

[signal stone]

notice how i said if silksong is twice as big

we dont have a release date how are we supposed to know how long it is🤷‍♂️ just an assumption as you said

[sweet lotus]

whatever

[gray lance]

Silksong will be at least an hour of gameplay. I've got insider info 😎

[haughty brook]

Let me guess, your uncle has contact with TC?

[ocean mulch]

It's clearly at least 13.2 seconds of gameplay

[signal stone]

i can confirm i work at ea i mean team cherry

[pallid flare]

tEAm cherry

[signal stone]

goddamnit ive been found out

[ocean mulch]

I was just about to post that pyro

[pallid flare]

🐌

[ocean mulch]

I'm not a snail since the message isn't posted

[pallid flare]

it's half snail

[signal stone]

fun fact:a snail is faster than a league of legends player

[haughty brook]

But a League of Legends could exterminate all snails because of their salt concentration

[signal stone]

i said faster not stronger

the thing is snails dont have arms and that makes them fucking pathetic

[pallid flare]

yeah but they're almost never homeless

[signal stone]

they dont even have to pay rent

[stark estuary]

If you carried your home around with you you'd probably be exempt from paying rent too tbh

Snails must've just found the loophole before us

[signal stone]

all fun and games until your house gets stepped on by a middle schooler and kills you too in the act

[agile kelp]

imagine a gigantic something of some creature about to step on you and your home

[wanton crest]

if humans were canon in HK

are they ?

[silver oak]

No

That we know of

But probably no

[still owl]

for the best, I do not want to see mammals in my bug game

[wanton crest]

i wouldn't mind if it's nicely done

you could argue certain characters in HK aren't really bugs but just "bug-like"

[faint folio]

Why is there a channel, silksong is fake

[silver oak]

They’d have to really pull stuff out of their ass to pull it off

[silver oak]

I see why they call you the CEO of unfunny

[faint folio]

Ok

👍

[silver oak]

[wooden sorrel]

[marsh ibex]

Exist in other dimension

[wanton crest]

too bad

[elfin swift]

worth mentioning that silksong's map may physically be twice as big as hk's, but not actually feel twice as big since hornet has more mobility options, moves so much quicker, and takes up more space in the world

[tawdry valley]

So if there’s twice the amount of content, and the rooms are proportionally 2 times bigger, you’re saying Silksong is going to be 4x the size of hollow knight

[pallid flare]

maths

[gray lance]

Silksong will keep expanding in size forever. It'll fill up your hard drive, then balloon out and consume your house as more rooms are added, each bigger than the last

[elfin swift]

that's spidermath yea

[nimble radish]

spider? :hornetflushed:

[chilly nexus]

I can't wait to make a vid or doc going over the parallels between silksong and sekiro

[placid pawn]

Silksong is 400 hours long so by the time you finish it you end up like pale king

[summer kindle]

hello ss discussion

[tall hinge]

hello torbiepaw

[mystic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-gif-22247756

[mystic pewter]

wha

[wheat sail]

Hello guys whats up

[pallid flare]

the sky

[wheat sail]

bruh

[tall hinge]

true

[formal kelp]

hello guys whats up

say it I dare you

[mystic pewter]

the sky

I would like to issue an apology to Malen

[formal kelp]

now feel the guilt

[mystic pewter]

I am it is utterly oppressive

[silver oak]

What sad HK emoji are you

[tall hinge]

[silver oak]

Fixed

[tall hinge]

[silver oak]

I’m a man myself

Why are there so many sad emotes

[tall hinge]

here are all the others i could find

[silver oak]

Jesus

Like I was saying

[tall hinge]

you know, this server has way too many sad emotes

[spice plume]

Agoneyes is kinda a sad emote right

[pallid flare]

is sad?

[spice plume]

Needs more for silksong

[tall hinge]

eh idk agony isnt really sadness

[silver oak]

feels like a more depressing version of

[tall hinge]

ye in my book

[spice plume]

Yeah kinda

[silver oak]

They have the same emotion to me

[tall hinge]

yeah zote and agoneyes have the same feel

[spice plume]

Like when you make a dark joke or something

[tall hinge]

to me is like "hahahahahahaha ||pain||" and is more "im dead inside" kind of feel

[silver oak]

It’s kinda the same

[tall hinge]

yep

[spice plume]

We need a emote like this

[tall hinge]

[spice plume]

Agoneyes is close but not quite it

[coarse leaf]

I mean, kinda works like that?

[silver oak]

[spice plume]

Ahhh I se

It’s little too pepe though

[coarse leaf]

You se...

[spice plume]

Si ✅

[wide mango]

[hollow sedge]

is there any chance of silksong at the tokyo game show

[limpid kite]

ahahaha nooooo

[tired lake]

[limpid kite]

the same as me a german ever showing national pride :3

[naive flax]

Silksong will be at pax AUS

[hollow sedge]

doubt it

[naive flax]

Silksong will release in 2021

[tranquil copper]

@naive flax really?!!

[naive flax]

Silksong will release

[limpid kite]

damn these ppl be hopeful

[stable oyster]

.

[hollow sedge]

its not impossible for it to release this year, i still doubt it though

[limpid kite]

I will hold to my release predictions. They will drop an announcement tweet for a trailer the next day. And that trailer will contain a release date 2 weeks from then

They said a few times that there will only be a release date when they are sure they can make it. Wich would mean once they have a shippable product

[naive flax]

will Silksong will have more or less bosses than Hollow Knight?

[limpid kite]

very likely more

[tall hinge]

im betting on less bosses overall, but more quality for each boss

quality over quantity

[limpid kite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[hollow sedge]

i mean if the scale of silksong is larger then hollow knight, then it probably has more bosses

[opaque sigil]

I mean everything we've seen thus far has implied improved quantity and quality in pretty much every regard

[hollow sedge]

i will be surprised if Pharloom isn't larger then Hallownest by a decent margin

[fallow rock]

we need hope like when everyone thought when king philip was going to live

after the necromancing

[coarse leaf]

when is silksong gonna come outtttt :(((((

waaaaaaaaaa

[cerulean tree]

tomorrow

[formal karma]

when its done

one thing is did think of, that i hope is in silksong, is more instances of enemies being able to hurt themselves

[coarse leaf]

thank you for the information and good day

[formal karma]

(each other, I guess)

[warm bone]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[formal karma]

to be fair they asked WHEN, not IS IT

[fallow rock]

so the primal asphid dying from its shots

[formal karma]

no

[hollow sedge]

it has been 272 days since Edge, nice

[cerulean tree]

nice

[warm bone]

release date announcment would be news. no?

[formal karma]

mhmmmmmmmmmm you got me

[formal karma]

neat

[brave stone]

So "your thinking April tm"

[chilly nexus]

I'm vibing with the opposite rn :p but we'll know by december. If no news this winter, then I'm betting on late summer 2022 and 2022 e3 announcement

basically I'm just waiting for each TGA and e3/summer-games-fest for the announcement

then + 1-3 months

[formal karma]

'if no news this winter' that would mean a year without news, bold strategy...

[opaque sigil]

TC are bold fellas

[thin hearth]

I think we're all gonna be waking up to an announcement from Team Cherry outside of any event. No E3, no PAX. Just one day it'll be there on Team Cherry's website

[formal karma]

that's how most of the news has gone tbh

[opaque sigil]

Was the e3 demo/blogpost the only news associated with an event?

[thin hearth]

For SS I think so. They announced some HK Speedrun event for a PAX one year but not any official game announcements

[chilly nexus]

I don't think the release date for a game as big as silksong will be just provided without an event

[opaque sigil]

Maybe, maybe not

[chilly nexus]

that'd be vv bad marketing. Everyone who's going to check their website for the date is already gonna be buying the game

[mystic pewter]

when is pax aus

[tall hinge]

[thin hearth]

That's why it's gonna be a release trailer. 2-3 weeks out from release. It'll spread like wildfire

[tall hinge]

google is your best friend

[chilly nexus]

but amongst what community. people already looking for SS news?

[brave stone]

wasn't PAX AUS cancled

[tall hinge]

i have no clue

oh its just online

the physical event was cancelled but its still happening online

[mystic pewter]

yeah thats definitely silksong

jokes aside what do you all think the chances for TC to be there are

[chilly nexus]

low tbh

[mystic pewter]

have they ever been at pax aus before?

[tall hinge]

theyre low in every event for you

[thin hearth]

Slim

[mystic pewter]

nvm I googled

[opaque sigil]

They’re low in every event

[chilly nexus]

TC's audience is a fairly broad demographic, not too disimilar to nintendo's own games. They'd benefit most from being at an event featuring a similarly broad audience demographic. PAX aus is niche enough for me to not be planning on watching it

[mystic pewter]

thank you pitta for the advice

the silksong demo was at pax aus

[elfin swift]

april is after all the cruelest month

[tall hinge]

ok, where do you get this information from? i think the ss community is way overestimating how big the hollow knight community is compared to other games

[opaque sigil]

Sixth highest wishlist on steam, you can’t argue it doesn’t have a decent audience

[mystic pewter]

so I think its a nonzero chance
leth, after all, COULD VERY POSSIBLY have tried to throw us off by saying he doesn't like late year releases

[chilly nexus]

my reddit is broken right now but check the member count of various game's reddits and compare them to the HK reddit

[tall hinge]

youre right, it has a decently large audience, it just annoys me that people keep saying "SILKSONG IS TOO BIG FOR _____"

[chilly nexus]

When we say too big tho, it's more like saying: TC wouldn't benefit enough from using that event vs another one

[elfin swift]

it also sold v highly on the switch store, and i think switch/steam represent the most 'broad demographic' storefronts

[mystic pewter]

having a large audience does not mean large demographic

[chilly nexus]

I was responding to pitta who only referred to how big the community is

the varied playerbase is more my own vibe

[tall hinge]

yeah it makes sense idk it just irritates me

[pastel silo]

weren't people saying SS is too big mostly in regards to indie world directs?

[pallid flare]

doesn't mean that it can't appear at bigger events

[chilly nexus]

That was this time last year. This server has doubled in size since then :p

[pastel silo]

duh

[pallid flare]

people still say this

don't know if I agree with them personally

on one hand, there is a massive amount of people waiting for silksong

[chilly nexus]

Also, like: Silksong, an indie game, on the cover of Edge magazine, made the maggazine sell out in hours despite an increased print run

[pallid flare]

on the other, silksong is still developed by an indie studio

[pastel silo]

yea but indie world focuses mainly on showcasing lesser known or newly revealed indies right? In that case it's fair to say that SS is too big for that

[pallid flare]

I agree with that

[chilly nexus]

Literally, just think "too big" like: not a good business decision for TC.

[pallid flare]

It will take attention away from everyone else

something that Team Cherry likely does not want to do

[chilly nexus]

If they can get time on E3, Summer game's fest, or TGA to make their announcement (which they can), then they shouldn't not do that if that makes sense

[pastel silo]

btw I really hope they won't reveal all the zones in the launch trailer like they did for HK

[chilly nexus]

The host of summer game's fest even talked about reaching out to TC and wanting them and silksong to be featured, so don't go saying TC isn't big enough to be at those events :p

TL:DR TC matter-of-factly is capable of booking space at one of the larger events for SS, and revealing at one of those events is the best business decision

(ty pitta for ze reaccs)

[sweet lotus]

Silksong made the EDGE cover. I'd say it's pretty big

[chilly nexus]

they didn't just make the edge cover. they sold out an increased print run of the magazine in record time

[livid oracle]

I think if theres any event they could be at its PAX AUS

[sweet lotus]

when I was a kid, a 10 from EDGE was a happening

[livid oracle]

but chances are probably still low

[hollow sedge]

i think team cherry will just do there announcement on there own website + their youtube channel

[sweet lotus]

I still believe TC will make announcements on its own time, with a youtube video

[livid oracle]

I just watched the recent mossbag vid where he said Leth encourages them to make blog posts but they feel they don't have the time

[formal spire]

Has the date leak been confirmed/denied yet?

[livid oracle]

So maybe they will make one when they feel they have the time

[pallid flare]

NVIDIA denied the leak, that's all you need to know

[tribal merlin]

huh? nvidia said that the data is from their testing database

[hollow sedge]

didnt Leth say that team cherry took like a month break earlier in the year

[pallid flare]

well in the sense that it doesn't mean anything

[tall hinge]

no

[tribal merlin]

yeah it doesn't mean anything, just saying they didn't deny they were the origin of the data

[languid linden]

The leak is real, the information within may not be accurate

[mystic pewter]

all leth could say about the leak is nothing because regardless of what he says it will seem like he's confirming it to some hollows silksong waiters

[formal karma]

'it doesn't mean anything'
omg guys, he's doing damage control, it's reeeeeeal

[mystic pewter]

"its real guys"
omg guys, he confirmed the leak is reeeeeeeal

[tall hinge]

nvidia said that all the information in the database was "internal tracking and testing" and that "inclusion on the list is neither confirmation nor an announcement of any game" - take that as a deconfirmation or something else if you want

[pallid flare]

there's no way out of it for him

so he just took the middle path

[hollow sedge]

team cherry wouldnt plan a release date 5 months ahead though

[pallid flare]

they wouldn't

[formal karma]

so far as we know, but their attitude may have changed ( it hasn't) but maybe

[pastel silo]

that's just your assumption tho not a fact....we just don't know what goes on inside his head

[pallid flare]

is it?

he can't confirm nor deny without it getting ugly for him

[tall hinge]

thank you for speaking fax

[pallid flare]

so he just... didn't?

[pastel silo]

he confirmed and denied things in the past so that's not a certainity...we don't know why he chose to respond the way he did we can only speculate

[hollow sedge]

he should have just ignored it tbh

[pallid flare]

he did

well kinda

[formal karma]

outright ignoring it would create different problems

adressing it would cause others...

[tall hinge]

someone asked him 'what do you have to say about the nvidia leak' and he answered 'i dont have anything to say about it' IM PARAPHRASING

[hollow sedge]

i mean Team Cherry hasn't had a statement for it? its not really a big deal

[pastel silo]

you can find problem in every type of response he could of chosen...we will see in time

[pallid flare]

he literally said "wouldn't you like to know, weather boy?"

[pastel silo]

we can ask him afterwards like we always do

[sweet lotus]

ha! we will learn what's up behind the scenes for all this period

[tall hinge]

haha true, like with the edge interview

all will reveal with time

[random fox]

You guys arent talking about nvidia leak again right? Right?

That emote should be ilegal

So ugly

[formal karma]

only illegal emote should b clown

your boos give me strength

[tall hinge]

[vivid belfry]

Tubba Blubba?

[formal karma]

fuck yea

[tall hinge]

a what now

[vivid belfry]

I'm glad you got that reference or I would have seemed very rude

[formal karma]

you can't kill me either cause you don't know where my hear t is

[formal karma]

OG paper mario

[tall hinge]

ah

[formal karma]

back in myyyyy dayyyy

comments like that make me want to bust out the game cube for some 1000 year door shit

[tall hinge]

i would 100% play 1000 year door

unfortunately i do not own a gaming cuboid

[tribal merlin]

buy a thumby it's only $19

[formal karma]

you MUST be able to buy it on the eshop tho, right? guess you likely don't have a switch either tho

what in sam-hell is a thumby?

[tall hinge]

i have a switch, im pretty sure its not available

[pallid flare]

or just emulate it or something

[formal karma]

riiiiight nintendo hates old good games

[mystic pewter]

I wanna play 1000 year door but its literally the one good game on wii u eshop

[nimble steppe]

Can it run doom?

[tall hinge]

i think anything can run doom at this point

[tribal merlin]

if you code doom for it it can run it

[mystic pewter]

for such a money-hungry company they sure don't resell old content as much as others do coughcoughEAcoughcough

[formal karma]

they also got real weird about letting the paper mario devs have creative freedom

[vivid belfry]

They don't resell old content and they don't let you pirate it even though they lose no money for letting it exist
No soup for you

[formal karma]

oops, i should add "iirc"

[tall hinge]

yeah

[mystic pewter]

I say 20% chance for silksong at pax aus

[spice plume]

I say 0% chance

Because silksong doesn’t and never has existed

[warm bone]

[formal karma]

i would say ???% chance

IF there was going to be event news, I think it would be there, but that's a Shadow of the Collosus sized if

[wheat sail]

while we dont know it gets more likely every day 🙂

[mystic pewter]

that IS true

[opaque sigil]

I mean empirically the odds of SS being at any given event are quite low

In the two and a half years since its announcement, only one event has actually featured new SS info, that being E3 in 2019

[stark estuary]

What does it even mean to say "I think there is an x% chance for SS to be at event y".

[opaque sigil]

absolutely nothing

[formal karma]

exactly that

the opperative word being THINK

[stark estuary]

a prediction needs to be based on something

[surreal basin]

Question any word on the February 1st date that was supposedly “leaked”

[warm bone]

[opaque sigil]

You'd sure think so

[formal karma]

the leak means less than nothing

[surreal basin]

Oh my lord, noted.

[opaque sigil]

It means nvidia needs to sort out its data security

[surreal basin]

But you know what I’m hoping it’s a reveal day maybe, I know it means less than nothing but one can hope

[formal karma]

how are people still confusing the leak for anything substantial?

[warm bone]

some people don't do research before coming here

[surreal basin]

I don’t keep up with it on a consistent basis I just find bits and pieces from day to day

[heavy magnet]

driven mad by hope and waiting

[opaque sigil]

A reveal day... as in when release date would be announced? Why would nvidia have that

[stark estuary]

because that is something people enjoy doing with long awaited titles

[surreal basin]

I don’t know but a man can hope

[formal karma]

i suppose, no one makes retraction articles

that could be a hinder, too

[high hedge]

To make their special Silksong graphics cards

[opaque sigil]

Oh right, for the special silksong pcs

[high hedge]

For when you need a pc that specifically runs Silksong

[opaque sigil]

They can only run SS but damn do they do it well

[nimble radish]

forget silksong pcs we're going to need a console for silksong specifically, tc are bringing out the cherrybox
it only plays one game and silksong goes on nothing else

[surreal basin]

Honestly that would be cool, a silksong themed graphics card, i would definitely want a like a silksong wrap for my Xbox

[stark estuary]

Can't wait to unbox my special silksong printer

[high hedge]

It only runs on Silk

[pallid flare]

and songs

[high hedge]

They make the silk

[stark estuary]

Bootlaces yes

[chilly nexus]

this literally rubbed me so hard in all the wrong ways when i saw it. It was like: "rip everything you thought you liked about the series"

[opaque sigil]

L-literally?

[chilly nexus]

it figuratively: "literally rubbed me so hard in all the wrong ways" :p implicit figuratively

[opaque sigil]

[cunning geode]

watch out

[nimble radish]

you used literally wrong prepare to be annihilated

[chilly nexus]

my body is ready

for the comma that was left out

[trim estuary]

there is no based prediction

[olive bobcat]

Cringe predictors (ss discussion members)

[proud vale]

There's no winning is there

[opaque sigil]

Of course not

[olive bobcat]

ss discussion

[proud vale]

bottom text

[olive bobcat]

Me when #sk-discussion finally gets deleted:

[serene chasm]

The first law of predictions is that all predictions are wrong

[serene chasm]

[olive bobcat]

Imagine being that one guy who predicted Chris Pratt as Mario

[proud vale]

Hey Curly, you been on the OW grind?

[ashen canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283680756159741953/891887723600838666/image0.gif

[gilded adder]

everyone

Oh, I see we got role emotes now.

Very nice.

[wheat sail]

what are these orange apples

[spice plume]

They are orange, but not in the way you are interpreting

[wheat sail]

is it cherries because team cherry but orange

Ok I get it

[spice plume]

What other fruit is orange

[ashen canyon]

oranje

[gilded adder]

Hello

[wheat sail]

i dont really get what youre saying

It probably isn't a banana

[spice plume]

I really hope your messing with me

[mortal grove]

Tangerine

[late plover]

papaya?

[mortal grove]

I hate papaya

[late plover]

papaya isn't the best fruit but if you gave me one i will eat it with no complain

[mystic pewter]

oranges are tangerine colored and tangerines are orange colored

[mortal grove]

What do you want to see in silksong

[worldly dune]

Hornet

[midnight radish]

Controls

[late plover]

a slight chance that silksong actually exist and it wasn't all a collective delusion

[shell yacht]

Silksong is actually just a SCP

[worldly dune]

Hornet is an SCP

[worn coral]

Same

[ashen canyon]

ngl if hallownest would be in the real world, the entire place would be an scp

[worldly dune]

its in australia

[ashen canyon]

just under the porch of a house

[worldly dune]

one of TC's devs house

[ashen canyon]

@ old mate are you hiding a bug nest under your house

fuck

i watched the trailer again and now im hyped for an actually alive place

[chilly nexus]

Graig what's ur birth date and time and place?

[languid linden]

kekwait

[chilly nexus]

who wants a free chart reading

oh wait i'll do hollowknight's chart

it literally makes so much sense

the world building, the combat, the storytelling... it's all there

[kind drum]

what does graig do for team cherry?

[hollow terrace]

Money laundering

[kind drum]

ah makes sense

accidentally dm'd btw

[obsidian juniper]

Hollow knight 2: Hornet and the search for the Panama accounts

[radiant wraith]

Which Hollow Knight room are you according to your zodiac sign?

[chilly nexus]

aries is the colloseum of fools and taurus is the hottub just below it

pisces is the songstress' room (i forget her name)

[obsidian juniper]

What about aquarius?

[chilly nexus]

aquarius is the blue lake

[kind drum]

CANCER?

cancer*?

[chilly nexus]

capricorn is the queens gardens. cancer is the hive (in the best way.. not in the: "oh the hive's a bad area" way)

[kind drum]

nice

[obsidian juniper]

Nice

[serene chasm]

Pisces?

[copper knot]

leo?

[obsidian juniper]

I realised that this Is lowkey doxxing
Not usefull doxxing thought

[chilly nexus]

pisces get to sit next to marissa

[serene chasm]

yay!

[copper knot]

what leo

[tawdry valley]

Cancer

[chilly nexus]

leo is tricky tbh, i need to think about them a bit more. hk isn't the most leonine game

[copper knot]

:(

[chilly nexus]

cancer can be the hive or greenpath, up 2 u

[tawdry valley]

What? No not the sign.

[chilly nexus]

I'm sorry! most of HK is just too broody for leo imo. it's a dead kingdom afterall

think of it as a good thing. leo will probably have a nice place in SS

oh wait, leo get grimm's tent

Sagittarius are all anywhere there's a grub

virgo are with nailsmith and the city of tears

scorpio are distant village, or ancient basin/white palace

gemini live with sly

[coarse leaf]

lets gooo

[chilly nexus]

libras get godhome

[vestal wagon]

Lets fucking go

[chilly nexus]

btw I do want to disclaim this by saying you are not just your sun sign and everyone probably enjoys certain things! in the archetypes of the signs, though, those are the places that share their vibe imo

[serene chasm]

Ill happily vibe with Marissa

[chilly nexus]

ye pisces would definitely be with her and let her song be the backtrack of the fantasy they're creating (and also I ❤️ pisces so ofc would give them the best)

[bronze plinth]

How do we feel about the date in the Nvidia leak?

[wooden sorrel]

The way I always feel, dead inside

[serene chasm]

No reason to think its legit. Just a placeholder date Nvidia put in one of their docs

[bronze plinth]

Thanks, I'll hide until we have news again

[hearty tendon]

as they say, you fake it till you make it

[bronze plinth]

You know this channel is for Silksong and not Steel Soul, right?

[serene chasm]

This the sharp shadow discussion

[grim tulip]

Then I will disappear

You never saw me

[lapis forge]

silksong spoilers: man i just absolutely love the whole mcdonalds arc, it honestly makes the game so much more immersive and now i know that hornet always orders a double mcchicken burger and a large frozen coke

[wheat sail]

arc?

[spiral heron]

if hornet can speak, wheres her mouth????

[wheat sail]

hornet without her mask wtf

[spiral heron]

hornet is actually an egg, and silksong arc is her coming out of the egg to reveal that she's a bird

[crystal sky]

every night i dream of a silksong release date

[silver oak]

In my game Hornet would get 2 number nines, a number nine large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

[analog lily]

Dream? Well it’s a miracle you aren’t infected yet

[silver oak]

Maybe it's random every time

[naive flax]

I think that whatever is plaguing pharloom will be extremely similar to the infection

[waxen agate]

Same

[crystal sky]

isnt the plauge a haunting in there?

[naive flax]

Yeah

But we don’t have any idea of what this “haunting” is

[mortal grove]

me and quirrels grave simply being foolish

[chilly nexus]

or do we? 👀

link in name

[crystal sky]

it would be so cool if the game turned out to happen at the same time as the knights journey

dont think that will happen but would be amazing to stop by sometimes to hallownest as hornet and see the knight running around

[frigid basin]

we have no idea if it's real or fake

[mystic pewter]

some of the things present in the leak having been announced since and ubisoft lawsuit indicate that the leak is real. that being said, there's nothing confirming or deconfirming silksong's portion of the leak

[serene chasm]

I didnt make these. Theyre just stickers from telegram

I wish I was that good

[chilly nexus]

If SS does come out in Feb 2022 then what a fantastic world we're living in. We should know by the end of december

[bronze plinth]

Perfectly balanced as all things should be

[dry valley]

Watch TC announce the release date a week before it drops

[chilly nexus]

Any release announcement from TC not at TGA or E3/SGF would honestly surprise me quite a bit. I literally plan my hype around those events so idk if i'd be able to take it

[analog lily]

That is actually pretty likely

[tawdry valley]

Ehhhh It’s unlikely they’d do a “next year” sort of thing. It’s also unlikely they would do a shadow drop.

I’d say they’d announce a date at either an event or special date, and the date would be around a month from that date

Or they’d announce the date is on a special date, during a special date/event

“Silksong this weekend” doesn’t make sense imo

But I’m happy to be proven wrong

[worldly dune]

i wonder what's the SS equivalent of Godhome

[fiery coral]

TC said they hope we're not expecting a Godhome equivalent in SS, or something to that effect

[worldly dune]

ah

[chilly nexus]

(I do think we'll get a boss rush thingy though. We're definitely not gonna get a game that does not have some sort of boss-replay mechanic)

unless it doesn't need one if that makes sense

[fiery coral]

Boss replay
Optional boss rush for those who want the extra challenge
Mandatory boss rushes for completion

[long comet]

When Kirby did it, it was cool.

[fiery coral]

never played Kirby

[chilly nexus]

Elden ring, for instance, probably wouldn't work well with a boss-replay mode. Sekiro on the other hand, worked fantastically with one

[chilly nexus]

the true arena was the real test of gaming skill as a child

[long comet]

True arena without hammer.
God gamer.

[chilly nexus]

lmao i did it with rock

I was that child who always went rock

[analog forge]

Elden ring seems neat

[chilly nexus]

or plasma

elden ring will be like a more challenging botw with no shrines and better/bigger dungeons

and magic and co-op

[analog forge]

skyrim with horses

[chilly nexus]

skyrim had horses :p

[analog forge]

thats elden ring

skyrim didnt have GHOST HORSES

[chilly nexus]

it did with the dlc tho

+shadowmere is pseudo ghost

[analog forge]

shadowmere isnt a real ghost

also what ghost horses did it have?

[chilly nexus]

Arvak

[analog forge]

not a ghost, hes a skeleton

Its like calling a vampire a zombie

[agile kelp]

a skeleton on fire

[chilly nexus]

you can summon him tho, he's not physical. and ye he has purple fire

[analog forge]

ok skyrim with cooler horses
happy?

[serene chasm]

eww skyrim

[frigid basin]

wat

[serene chasm]

skyrim bad

[mystic pewter]

no

[serene chasm]

ok. its unfair to call it bad. Just a mediocre dumbed down game that is barely an rpg

[devout light]

Fallout 3 looks and moves bad for it's time

Why the hell can we air strafe

[mystic pewter]

I hope avowed becomes big for obsidian

as they've just been the better bethesda for those kinds of games for a good while now
hell, they can even do bethesda games better than bethesda can with fallout new vegas

[serene chasm]

same here. The fact that its based on the Pillars world makes me more excited. They have some great world building in those games

[cerulean sable]

hey would you mind

to go this linear ass cave

get an item

come back

then finish the quest

[serene chasm]

would I?!

[warm bone]

they always like

[serene chasm]

I mean it better than Oblivion dungeons

[pallid flare]

mmm game design

[cerulean sable]

thats why i prefer quality of quantity

like in games meant to be replayable, i guess having them proc gen while "repetitive" makes sense in a way

but like, in RPGs id rather have a carefully curated map designed tbh

[analog forge]

its not unfair to call skyrim bad

[valid sable]

Honestly Skyrim is one of my favorite "roleplaying" games, lol. I love the physics on everything, I love the big map and bajillion sidequests, I love being able to just level everything.

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/SGj4O_hCB44?t=189 my stance is with Zero Punctuation video (time stampped)

[analog forge]

The only thing driving everything about skyrim is novelty.
the novelty of something new.
the lowest fucking form of driving player force

[warm bone]

tbf it is fun to push goats off clifs with my voice

[analog forge]

Oh not to mention the dumbshit leveling system of skyrim.

[pallid flare]

oblivion's was worse in a lot of ways

[analog forge]

Monsters scaling to your level is actually stupid.
If everythings the same challenge, then theres no point in exploring

Yeah but oblivion was jank to hell and back, literally, so its more forgivable

[valid sable]

wut

[serene chasm]

I need to replay Oblivion. It was my first TES game so it holds a special place in my heard, but I know it had issues. But it had some great quests.

[cerulean sable]

honestly i can stick with the combat, the jankiness, and the voicelines of Skyrim, but the lack of world reaction is what killed it for me
everything feels so static, like an amusement park where you go in, go out, and proceed for your actions to do nothing outside of the world

also factions are so dumbed down, like you immediately become the mage headmaster after doing a couple of story quests even if you dont learn a single spell (you can use a scroll to pass the entrance exam)

and even then you can also be the thieves guild and companions leader, like if you want pure power fantasy sure, but even others dont comment on it other than guards. it felt more like i was a kid where adults around me are going "ok sure you get to be a king and well play along"

[pallid flare]

oblivion was great

i agree with that

[analog forge]

An amusement park of a game can be good, if each of the self contained stories within it are good

[serene chasm]

Also I think it did the best in terms of guilds. They quest you did in them were interesting, and unique. And joining them felt like actually joining a guild.

[analog forge]

the problem is, skyrims writing is uh... subpar

[cerulean sable]

i mean yeah fair, if each hold had its own unique problem, and they did a bare minimum of stuff like "i heard theyve fixed the issues in that reach, we have you to thank for that" is good enough

but each hold was kinda meh in writing and after that everyone forgets about it anyway

[pallid flare]

you'd think that killing the emporer(or smth similar) might impact something

[cerulean sable]

not everything is bad tho

but like, its just bland

[serene chasm]

It all went downhill after Kirkbride left

[cerulean sable]

right right??

[analog forge]

Witcher 3 is more or less skyrim but done right.
the combat isnt particularly deep, nor is the loot or leveling, or world reactions.
But all the stories within are interesting and well told

[cerulean sable]

nope, that news didnt even break

[analog forge]

Witcher 3 is skyrims core, done in a competent way.

[valid sable]

I've seen many people also say Witcher 3 is bad, lol

[pallid flare]

not everyone likes something

[analog forge]

I've never seen a compelling argument made for the witcher 3 being bad other than "its just not my kind of game"

[cerulean sable]

i just wished W3 was more on creating your own character
yes i know that isnt the point of the Witcher as Geralt is the protag, but i mean like
A witcher like game in terms of writing and quality but its more of create your own character

granted i know some people think blank slate characters can impact writing and i get that completely, but stuff like Dragon Age Origins still managed to do that

[serene chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJX4ytfqw6k

[cerulean sable]

DAO is so good, especially with how everyone reacts depending on your starting origin

like theres a lot of characters that will give you shit just for being an elf throughout the game, or some subtle comments like "i didnt know they allowed elves in the Grey Warden, but i guess they wont hesitate taking anyone when its the Blight were fighting against"

[pallid flare]

DA sounds fun

[analog forge]

Honestly, i think the fact that geralt isnt a blank slate is what makes the escapades so much more enjoyable.

People already know who you are. people already know what you are.
and you just get straight to the parts that matter

[cerulean sable]

also stuff like late game where ||if you romance Alistair and make him king, you can be the queen for him if you play as a female human noble, but if you play anything else, you need high speech to convince him that you can always be his mistress (but youre legally not allowed to be queen) and that its ok since you love each other anyway||

[serene chasm]

I need to play the DAO games. Im just worried Im going to miss out on the whole experience if I dont play co op. Im gonna try to see if my partner wants to try to play again once we live together. (Online didnt go well since he isnt really into 3/4 angle rpgs

[cerulean sable]

DAO has no coop

its a pure single player game

[analog forge]

also, skyrim bills itself as a game about choice, but half of the main quest is completely unskippable, and completely asinine

[serene chasm]

derp. my brain saw D and went Divinity

[analog forge]

god, fuck delphine.

[cerulean sable]

yeah thats what i mean, like, geralt having his own character also brings tons of stuff when it comes to writing. But again for me in the best of both worlds, it would have a high quality writing while still being a blank state character without the blandness of it

[cerulean sable]

also whats cool is you can carry over your save through each Dragon Age games and it will reflect your choices

[analog forge]

the entirety of the blades in skyrim are fucking stupid.

[serene chasm]

Nice. We are actually doing a DAO playthrough. So thats good to know

[cerulean sable]

like in DA Inquisition, one character in DA Origins can either end up being a rogue guy operating on his own to protect the people against the new threat, or the main monarch that will tell your Inquisition characters to fuck off for almost screwing up a hold's security and getting the people living in it killed (by your own choice ofc)

and all you gotta do is import your save

[analog forge]

"prove your a dragonborn, because the eyewitnesses of you shoving a dragon soul down your throat dont cut it"
"prove the thalmor are behind it because im a racist dipshit"
"now kill the coolest character in the game because we fuckin hate dragons"
and they take up half of the main quest

[serene chasm]

fuck the blade for asking me to kill my homie parthunax

[cerulean sable]

ohh delphine i remember that

[tawdry valley]

“Wake up, I need to trap a dragon in your palace”

[cerulean sable]

such a boring "choice"

like lol how about no

majority wont kill paarthunax anyway

[pallid flare]

fuck you delphine

[serene chasm]

shout that bitch off the mountain

[analog forge]

Like asking us to kill paarthanax is a point of no return villian moment, and shes fucking framed as your main quest companian

[tawdry valley]

This is a great Segway/note about fallout new Vegas, because if someone is even slightly annoying to you, you can liquify their ribcage and start a whole new sort of playthrough on the spot.

[analog forge]

the only essential npcs in new vegas are yes man, children, and your followers.

and my god is it glorious.

[cerulean sable]

I havent tried new vegas yet, i should buy it on sale, heard it was good

[analog forge]

in skyrim, anyone who kinda is in the vicinity of a quest gets essential status

[serene chasm]

I swear everyone is essential in Skyrim

[tawdry valley]

Yes
But be wary of game instability, the game will crash semi often.

[analog forge]

its a joke.

[cerulean sable]

honestly NVAC is a life saver

[tawdry valley]

Oh there’s a little number there

[cerulean sable]

also make no mistake 250 hours was spent on testing mods im not even joking

[tawdry valley]

You’ve played more then me, so yeah.

[analog forge]

I almost bought fallout 3 instead of new vegas way back when.

the only reason i bought new vegas was because i saw it was newer and was like "sure"

[cerulean sable]

fuck you caesar bitches

[cerulean sable]

lmao same

[serene chasm]

btw Ttacco. Thanks for pointing me towards that mod list.

[tawdry valley]

Which ones fucking work?
I swear, half of the time I look into mods I stray away from them because apparently they all break something else or me installing them would bust open my save data

[cerulean sable]

i bought it because i thought the logo of the game is good

[analog forge]

did you ever get around to autumn leaves, curly?

[cerulean sable]

did you use JUST modpack? adds lots of good stuff, my friend thats i had family shared with is currently half way with those mods

[serene chasm]

what?

[cerulean sable]

no kidding, i would spend 3 days just to get mods up and running

[analog forge]

a mod i recommended to you

[cerulean sable]

downloading from nexus, installing it one by one, testing it etc

[still owl]

that's a great way to build your patience, or to reduce it.

[serene chasm]

The Viva Las Vegas mod guide

[cerulean sable]

yeah

but i recommended you JUST mods right?

includes stuff like sprinting and floating objective markers

[serene chasm]

I didnt try that one. Whats it about?

[cerulean sable]

friend told me "ttacco, i have no idea how you played this on vanilla without sprint"

[analog forge]

Murder mystery in a vault, self contained, about 3-4 hours of content

full voice acting, new perks, ya know, the works.

[serene chasm]

I didnt add anything like that. I wanted a mostly vanilla experience.

That sounds cool

[analog forge]

Its fairly vanilla. All its content is self contained within the location

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acGcXMmLeE0 also this guy is currently redoing all the animations after taking a 5 year hiatus (i remember him also releasing an old mod 6 years ago for reanimations but it wasnt complete)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF3EBTuIcP8 hes been making new animations for each gun EVERYDAY

[still owl]

I can't imagine the hassle just to make it all work, sounds hella incompatible with mods.

[cerulean sable]

heres the complete season 1 pack hes gonna release atm

[serene chasm]

...Heartaches by the numbers...

[cerulean sable]

and unlike asurah's reanimation, this goes inline with vanilla frames i think so you dont have those weird glitches where her animations would make your gun have this weird and bothersome transitions

[analog forge]

oh right, fallout 4 smelly

almost forgot

[serene chasm]

we do not talk about that game

[analog forge]

why have interesting loot with unique effects, backstories and name when you can randomly generate it all?

[fiery coral]

Internet Historian voice fantastic idea

[serene chasm]

anyone here play morrowind?

[fiery coral]

not me

you saw no typo

only Bethesda game I played is Skyrim, and that too I didn't play for very long

RPGs in general, I have discovered, are not for me

like, traditional RPGs, I mean

[analog forge]

skyrim is not an rpg

[fiery coral]

I know that term is rather broad and all

[serene chasm]

ah. I see. and yeah, not really an rpg.

[fiery coral]

isn't it?

[serene chasm]

barely

[analog forge]

tf is a "traditional" rgp?

[pallid flare]

morrowind is old

[fiery coral]

thought it was the very definition of "open world action RPG"

[analog forge]

pen and paper? jrpgs? argps?
those ones like baldur gate?

[fiery coral]

like...ugh, I have no idea how to explain this so...ignore what I said, sorry

stereotypical? is that a better word?

orthodox?

[serene chasm]

And amazing. Seriously. Some light modding and its a great looking game.

[analog forge]

the defining trait of the general idea of rpgs is that they are generally, complicated, deep, and require at least 2 books to play optimally.
Skyrim is, more or less, the exact opposite.

Enderal is an rpg.
skyrim is a hack and slash with light rpg elements.

RPGs run the gambit when it comes to gameplay styles and genres, to the point that calling anything that isnt a pen and paper rpg traditional feels like a misnomer.

[serene chasm]

Ive personally never really cares for mechanics in an RPG (not saying they arent important) but put more of a focus on story telling and world building.

[analog forge]

Yup, thats another halmark.

Storytelling, and deep mechanical complexity

[valid sable]

I feel like an RPG with deep mechanical complexity takes away from my ability to roleplay, and just makes me think about what the heck to do, lol

[cerulean sable]

recently played through Wasteland 2 and currently playing Wasteland 3

the transition from "you guys are incompetent as fuck, i dont know why we even pay you Desert Rangers for protection" to seeing people flock your base to get recruited, and bandits going "Fuck its those tin law men from Arizona, lets fuck off" was the best part of the late game

[analog forge]

Theres no point role playing if all the flavors of combat taste more or less the same.

[warm bone]

I’ve had more fun modding Skyrim than playing the game

[fiery coral]

aren't "deep mechanical complexity" and...well, depth and complexity in general, less objective characteristics of a specific genre and more subjective things varying from player to player

[analog forge]

Depth and lore are more stereotypes of the genre, rather than a specific definition

[agile kelp]

the only RPG ive played is genshin and it was just grinding, the game just burnt me out. I guess sky is a non combat RPG? but that was also just grinding but multiplayer

[analog forge]

For specific definitions, its easier to label the many many subgenres than rpgs as a whole.

[fiery coral]

yeah so calling Skyrim not an RPG because it isn't deep enough is a bit strange

[warm bone]

It’s a gacha

[analog forge]

is genshin an rpg?
Its a gacha mmo.

[valid sable]

Hardly an MMO

[analog forge]

Skyrim isnt an rpg because the elements that should make it an rpg arent fleshed out enough.

[valid sable]

Gacha action adventure

[cerulean sable]

im not really fond of how RPG nowadays is "heres some stats points you can increase for combat. no youre a predefined character going through a linear story"

it makes more sense when they say RPG elements

[agile kelp]

even if you take out the gacha factor, its still just tedious grinding. even if i do get the character i want its just grinding and grinding and more grinding

[analog forge]

Stuff like its storytelling is lackluster, and most of its lore is just borrowed from previous entries.

[summer kindle]

RPGs are grindy

[fiery coral]

so it's a bad RPG....but it's still an RPG

[agile kelp]

what even is a fun RPG actually?

[fiery coral]

even "bad" is subjective of course, as Kuratheris ably demonstrated above

[summer kindle]

or i play them wrong

[fiery coral]

fun is hardly something one can define

[cerulean sable]

its when i kill some guy for doing a crime while i scream "FOR GREAT JUSTICE" then later paying the price when their family members starts trying to shoot me for killing their son that was just trying to feed them 😎

[fiery coral]

it's just...fun

[cunning geode]

the common traits of “RPG games” are kind of an emergent factor of the tropes set by certain very famous RPG style games in the past

and so that’s where the repetition comes in

[warm bone]

RPG has such a wide array of qualifying games, it’s hard to pinpoint the characteristics of what an rpg needs to be/have

[fiery coral]

Wikipedia defines Skyrim as an open world action RPG, that's all I need to call it that

[agile kelp]

no its just grinding from my experience, i remember sky which is multiplayer game that you really just play once(and its really nice as a one time thing) along with making friends and stuff, the game also gives you items you can get just for the look, but they cost 300 candles which would require more than 3 weeks of grinding and grinding only

[cunning geode]

yes, when someone says “RPG game” they usually mean “turn-based strategy stat-building item-finding enemy grinding game”

[summer kindle]

well doesn't sky have literally no story (i have never played it)

[analog forge]

Its like asking what makes a game an fps.
"well it needs to be first person, and it need to have a thing that shoots"
in the same way i can say portal isnt an fps, i can say skyrim isnt an rpg, despite sharing many of the aspects that an rpg should have.

[cunning geode]

what’s funny is I don’t even think of the word “story” when I hear “RPG”

[analog forge]

There are more rpgs which arent turn based now than there are.

i think

[agile kelp]

theres also genshin which is just... grinding along with mashing buttons for combat, and gacha decorated. it is fun to explore though, the story is also interesting but its hard to read through all the dialouge that just feels so... uninteresting?

[analog forge]

Especially if you include stuff like arpgs.

and the souls likes.

[cerulean sable]

more like "we have stats" and probably some random weapons drops, then thats it

[agile kelp]

sky actually has a story of sorts of a ruined kingdom you must revive, there are paintings on certain areas scattered around but the devs dont want to focus on the lore so theres barely anything