sk-discussion

[proud vale]

I think the release close to the release trailer isn’t a Leth thing, it’s just a TC thing

Due to the way they develop games

[opaque sigil]

Hanles isn't saying the leak is connected necessarily, just that hypothetically if, coincidentally or not, it is similar to the actual projected release date (which I don't think exists but speaking hypothetically so ) it could account for Leth's behavior, although it isn't the exclusive reason

[trim estuary]

[cerulean sable]

lowkey im part of the Feb non response theory low key bro offense

they dont say anything this december, im calling it

[trim estuary]

But December 21st

[opaque sigil]

That's your prerogative

[cerulean sable]

i dont know what that means but i disagree

[opaque sigil]

You've never heard that phrase

[cerulean sable]

i just see it thrown a lot in gaming forums

[opaque sigil]

Basically, "it's your decision," ie believe what you want

[placid pawn]

Waiting for silksong be like

I feel so old bc 2020 counts as 3 years for how tiring it was

[random fox]

2020 was like the least tiring year for me

[rapid topaz]

yeah same

[cerulean sable]

you believe hard enough son

[random fox]

Tho i was pretty much hibernating

[cerulean sable]

it eventually comes true

[fiery coral]

[random fox]

It will release someday

[midnight radish]

News by the end of the year feels inevitable but honestly it probably isn’t lol

[random fox]

Will we ever get copium emote here

[cerulean sable]

i dont breathe copium son

i am copium

[random fox]

I inhale u daily

[pallid flare]

i also inhale tacos daily

[random fox]

I rly think were gonna get smth this year, either pax, or more likely game awards

[rapid topaz]

what does copium mean?

[midnight radish]

How long until pax anyways

[rapid topaz]

is it like "copy-past" meme

[random fox]

Its like when u cope about smth
For example someone thats 25 years and short saying that they will get taller someday

[rapid topaz]

ooooh I get it

thanks

[random fox]

No problem, glad to educate people on what copium is 🙏

[trim estuary]

Breathe hopium instead

[random fox]

Starts on 8th and ends 10th of oct i think? So around a week and a half

[midnight radish]

[trim estuary]

[ocean mulch]

Why is that sentence copium

[trim estuary]

[random fox]

Why do u think it is copium

[midnight radish]

I can’t wait for silksong to come out so I can use bug corpses to craft weapons to make more bug corpses

[random fox]

I just wanna do the quests, they look so interesting

[cerulean sable]

cant wait for the 20 bear asses quest

[trim estuary]

Thewhat

[cerulean sable]

you know

omg hornet i need your help

[trim estuary]

what

[cerulean sable]

please grind out and collect 20 moss berry pelts for me

[trim estuary]

That would make sense

[cerulean sable]

you know, your standard MMO quest style

[midnight radish]

Eh, I doubt TC would stoop that low

[trim estuary]

too late

[hollow terrace]

Omg hornet please drive the moss bear populations to extinction

[cerulean sable]

exactly what i hope they wont

[random fox]

The capture quests seem most interesting to me

Like u dont kill ur target but capture it and bring it somewhere?

[trim estuary]

Finally

Enemies that move across rooms

[cerulean sable]

go monster hunter style

gotta drop those shock traps

[ocean mulch]

What capture quest?

[trim estuary]

The capture quests in the trailer

[ocean mulch]

Where are rheyt

[opaque sigil]

Capture quest

[trim estuary]

There

[opaque sigil]

pics or it didn't happen

[trim estuary]

cat

[cerulean sable]

uhuh

[trim estuary]

uhhh

[surreal mortar]

Do you guys think we can hit the 1 year without Silksong news mark

[trim estuary]

Probably

[pallid flare]

we can

[opaque sigil]

I see no reason to consider it an impossibility

[tribal merlin]

I think I could even do 2 years

[surreal mortar]

I believe in the dream

[trim estuary]

No, silksongs gotta be coming out in 2022

[cerulean sable]

personally it will

[tribal merlin]

it was more of a statement of how much my ability to wait for SS has improved

[trim estuary]

Impossible

[surreal mortar]

My guess is Team Cherry wanted to release it soon and decided that they wouldn’t release any news till release as to not spoil more of the game but then decided to work on the game for a bit longer, pushing it back and leaving us with no news for no reason. If that makes sense?

[ocean mulch]

I think they just don't have any news

[tribal merlin]

people should really follow the story of the marble machine x

[ocean mulch]

Literally what should they say

[trim estuary]

The what

[tribal merlin]

coincidentally there's news on that

[mystic pewter]

graig online

[surreal mortar]

Probably doesn’t

[cerulean sable]

are we talking about that machine that uses marble to make music

or am i uhhh mistaking it for another

[tribal merlin]

yes and the guy trying to build a version to make a world tour

documented on youtube

it's a great way to peek into the troubles and challenges of making something
and the conclusions to draw for future actions

plus it's a fucking cool machine

when it doesn't bug out

he's called Wintergatan on yt if you want to check him out

there's like enough hours of footage to keep you from asking for SS news for a whole while

[cerulean sable]

wont stop the "ok but can you give us an estimated release date of when you think itll get finished (ie maybe mid 2021 or something) 🥺"

[opaque sigil]

Nothing will, save release itself

[tribal merlin]

you can say they agreed to release once the marble machine x is finished

[chilly nexus]

e.g.*

[cerulean sable]

your an egg

youre'

[tribal merlin]

rancid

[chilly nexus]

you call it being a rancid egg, I call it being in demand

[ocean mulch]

2022 def

[tribal merlin]

2 - egg -22

[opaque sigil]

Come 2023 there'll be egg on your face

[tribal merlin]

2023 also has eggs so no problem there

[trim estuary]

Actually,

[opaque sigil]

zote boat when

[tribal merlin]

zotebote will take longer cuz they wanted it to go faster and now it's zote speedbote

[vagrant umbra]

Wait, was Zote Boat before or after drawing poorly everyday did the Zote on a boat and things that rhymes mini series?

[tribal merlin]

????

[pallid flare]

what

[vagrant umbra]

On Reddit, there’s a person who draws Hollow Knight art poorly everyday until Silksong comes out. Once there was Zote on a boat, then Zote on a boat with a goat. And this continued for about 2 weeks. I’m just wondering if that’s where Zoteboat came from.

[rapid topaz]

I think Zoteboat came from an interesting and very serious conversation

Jokes asides, pretty sure it came from here first

[vagrant umbra]

I tried searching the channel but it won’t load past page 6.

Of 54

[ember geode]

I think zote boat came out by people rhyming boat with zote

[velvet heart]

zoat

[agile kelp]

Bote

[night hull]

Zoat Bote

[agile kelp]

Bote zoat

Bozo atte

[velvet heart]

Zato Beto

[agile kelp]

Zobo teat

Toaz eotb

Zote goat

zote bloat

Zote bloat is seen in the eternal ordeal.

[night hull]

Gorb zote

Grob zoat

[floral jolt]

moss

[valid sable]

When is the playable Gorb DLC

[tall hinge]

in 5 years

patience is key

[restive garden]

fleas

[night hull]

This is first zote boat massage according to discord, although there is zoteboat emoji so it isnt the first apperance

[formal karma]

I know mossbag mentioned zoteboat maybe the video is older than those messages?

[pallid flare]

I think came from an april fools joke

the emote, I mean

[tacit mica]

s s w h e n

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/736153071218065508/873036491650113586/image0_1.gif

[cunning geode]

when you stop asking for it

[pallid flare]

so silknever

[tribal merlin]

it releases once you solve Leth's untold riddle

[umbral jungle]

how is s s

[pallid flare]

its great

[limpid cliff]

Why are peaches in every second name?

[spice plume]

Huh?

[pallid flare]

oranges

[limpid cliff]

Like in wombats alias there is a peach or an orange?

Saw it a several times today

[pallid flare]

role icon

[coarse leaf]

It’s the new role icon discord added recently

[limpid cliff]

Oh ok thank you :)

So for the mods

[rare kindle]

zote boat

[glacial wren]

hornet is a spider why do people keep drawing her with boobies

[opaque sigil]

Because the internet's a fucked up place

[spice plume]

Now let’s not get ahead of ourselves… what’s so fucked up about that?

[opaque sigil]

I have no intent to elaborate

[spice plume]

Lmao

[void herald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUOH69HkeEQ

[pallid flare]

what's is it with the shitposts lately

[opaque sigil]

Maybe don't post random yt videos here

[formal karma]

lately?

[opaque sigil]

I mean there were four in quick succession but yeah, shitposting isn't a new thing

[slow finch]

Chat finally broke

[marsh ibex]

@rare kindle no shitposting

[pallid flare]

there we multiple all next to each other

[tribal merlin]

influx of a new generation of clowns

[pallid flare]

should we be proud of them?

[opaque sigil]

[tribal merlin]

nah they're prolly fine as is

we will draw them into the abyss and get their clown genes hollowed out

and they'll just be normal ss discussion members

[languid jasper]

auxilio, me desmayo...

[trim estuary]

[opaque sigil]

Nah, just a misguided soul or two

[trim estuary]

[languid jasper]

the name is petty self explanatory

idk, Candice?

[pallid flare]

who's

[nimble radish]

who's candice

[formal karma]

maybe they're asking if you can dice

or inquiring about some canned ice

[nimble radish]

why tf would you can ice

[opaque sigil]

Bruh it's clearly "c and ice" the guy just forgot spaces

[formal karma]

like always tammo has the solution

[opaque sigil]

[thick silo]

mr mushroom is going to be in ss he has to

LOL

[pallid flare]

Lori does not live in fear

[nimble radish]

what're they gonna do, break server rules?
mutually assured destruction

[viral pivot]

XD

[nimble radish]

yeah, an inappropriate joke is arguably against server rules
ergo if they get me they could get warned/muted

[cunning geode]

[nimble radish]

it's called being a girlboss wombat

I haven't done anything, I'm discouraging rule breaking by making it clear they shouldn't do it

gateboss gaskeep girllight baby

[tawdry gulch]

I just had a thought: Silksong pretty much has to be a prequel, because TC said they'd respect the potentially canon status of all endings, and that includes Sealed Siblings

[cunning geode]

no

[nimble radish]

yoo we got another one

anyway silksong interquel gang 4 life

[cunning geode]

Tl;Dr: this topic has been discussed ad nauseam in this chat and the consensus is "sealed siblings is not the end for Hornet"

[nimble radish]

🦭💥

[tawdry gulch]

I mean, Hornet frantically running between Pharloom to do whatever she's doing there and Hallownest to get beat up by the Knight and protect the timeline is definitely funniest, but unlikely.

[pallid flare]

yes

jesus christ

[tawdry gulch]

I dunno. I feel like breaking the seal would make the knight so vulnerable it'd rob that ending of its emotional weight

[opaque sigil]

That's not really a viable argument saying that it can't happen

[pallid flare]

the knight might be fucking dead

even if, the cultists can probably take care of them

[tawdry gulch]

It just feels like the same kind of bad writing as bringing Palpatine back in the Star Wars sequels.

[pallid flare]

ok

[cunning geode]

except in this case palpatine is the main character

[pallid flare]

they kinda need to justify that

except if they go with prequel, of course

[cunning geode]

and for me personally, every ending "being canon" does not mean that every ending has to end with Hornet going to Pharloom afterwards. I am content if Hornet's adventures just end in the sealed siblings ending while simultaneously having her go to Pharloom in the other endings

[opaque sigil]

[cunning geode]

thats just me though, not a lot of people would be comfortable with that and i recognize that

[pallid flare]

I'd be fine with decanonising ssb

[opaque sigil]

If you don't like an ending leading to SS just pretend it doesn't, regard a different one as your chosen ending.

[tawdry gulch]

My point being that it kinda retroactively spoils the enjoyment of a dramatic sacrifice if the first chance they get TC is just like "lol nope, she's fine and the Knight is gonna get shived by the next knucklehead who walks by the black egg"

[opaque sigil]

The egg would close again, same as ending 1

[tawdry gulch]

Saying that respecting all endings doesn't have to mean that SS follows from all endings is a fair point though.

[opaque sigil]

Was ending 1 devoid of "dramatic sacrifice?"

[pallid flare]

I mean in one ending you literally accomplish nothing

[opaque sigil]

In 2 endings you accomplish nothing permanently

[pallid flare]

broke the seal -> then???

[nimble radish]

first two endings are the same they just have a different cutscene, the result is basically identical

[tawdry gulch]

no, but the whole point of Sealed Siblings is that Hornet is sacrificed to make the binding stronger.

[pallid flare]

was it?

[cunning geode]

i thought the point of sealed siblings is the knight fucks up and Hornet suffers for it

[opaque sigil]

She didn't want to

[tawdry gulch]

admittedly the dreamers being dead does raise some questions about what's keeping the new hollow knight from getting killed

[opaque sigil]

Hornet was just trying to give TK a shot at Rad, she wasn't trying to get stuck in the egg

[nimble radish]

the knight chickens out and hornet gets stuck

[pallid flare]

not much

[opaque sigil]

A nail

[pallid flare]

there's a very light, unintentional seal but that's it

[cunning geode]

the Knight doesnt chicken out the Knight just keeps whacking THK like a brainless moron

[pallid flare]

if it is even a seal

[opaque sigil]

That's chickening out, choosing the easy path

[tawdry gulch]

it's almost like there are drawbacks to your champion of Hallownest having no mind to think

[opaque sigil]

TK has a mind

[cunning geode]

i was jokin Tammo

[tawdry gulch]

mine was a joke too

[pallid flare]

yes I was joking too

[tawdry gulch]

dude learns advanced sword fighting techniques in a few minutes each, he's obviously not mindless

[true abyss]

so silksong predates hollow knight, right

[pallid flare]

video game logic

[true abyss]

I meant in lore date

[cunning geode]

we know what you meant

[safe leaf]

Reminds me of Emerl the Gizoid in Sonic Battle

[primal oriole]

we don't know, thinking about it will only cause pain

[true abyss]

I mean if she's younger then..

[cunning geode]

who said she's younger

[true abyss]

Batman

[cunning geode]

ok

[opaque sigil]

Batman?

[carmine coral]

hey wombat you should give me bots role

[true abyss]

I don't follow the news or pay attention much to .. whatever "leaks" or anything that came out but I feel like there's limited ways you could go with plot involving Silksong..

Like new problem comes up, alternate universe, or smol Hornet

[pallid flare]

it has lots of perms probably not a good idea

[opaque sigil]

Nobody's going to give you a bot role

[carmine coral]

[tribal merlin]

please not sealed siblings please not sealed siblings please not sealed siblings

[cunning geode]

what about muted role

[pallid flare]

we just talked about this come on

[safe leaf]

Yeah she's clearly not going in to help smack THK.
Accidentally becoming a seal.

[carmine coral]

ill pass

[true abyss]

Pass, like in Bop It Party Mode?

[cunning geode]

the answer is this: different kingdom, different character, same universe.

boom.

[true abyss]

your Hornet was in a different kingdom? 🤔

[carmine coral]

thats not even like funny or anything

[cunning geode]

wtf does this mean

Silksong doesnt take place in Hallownest

[opaque sigil]

There's only one hornet

[true abyss]

have you not played Mario before

[cunning geode]

oh

ha

[pallid flare]

one hornet two kingdoms

[true abyss]

hornet

[true abyss]

oh thats cool

damn, she musta been a big troublemaker to be sent off to a boarding school

in a whole nother kingdom

[tawdry gulch]

Also, and this is much weaker evidence admittedly, but Hornet didn't seem nearly as confident in the trailer and the dialog I've seen from the demo as she was in HK

[warm bone]

Muted role needs this emoji 😶

[pallid flare]

no mouth to cry suffering

[opaque sigil]

She's in a new kingdom, in unknown territory. ofc she's a bit less confident, she has no clue what's going on

[carmine coral]

[true abyss]

sh-shy h-h-hornet..? 👉👈

[pallid flare]

we also didn't get all that much dialogue in HK

[opaque sigil]

And besides, her dialogue doesn't really suggest that

She's less knowledgeable of the area, but still as confident in her abilities

[true abyss]

spiderwoman

[placid pawn]

her confidence depends on how many times you will die in lace fight

[true abyss]

Maybe we'll learn how she got her name.

[tribal merlin]

it was given to her

[tawdry gulch]

I think the backstory was that she was trained by the Hive at some point, and Vespa gave her that nickname

[opaque sigil]

[true abyss]

Vespa the moped..?

[tribal merlin]

that part of lore was scrapped

[tawdry gulch]

ok, in that case I know nothing

[true abyss]

arent the Hive like.. a separate governmental entity

[tawdry gulch]

kinda funny though, how the one character in the game named after a specific arthopod clearly isn't

[pallid flare]

the knight also is not a knight

[opaque sigil]

God of gods

[true abyss]

i eat gods for breakfast

[tawdry gulch]

in fairness, I'm pretty sure that the knight is a name the fandom assigned so they could talk about the little blighter

[tribal merlin]

just as funny as somebody's last name being "Tailor" without them being a tailor

[opaque sigil]

It's TC's term

[placid pawn]

godseeker has the best nicknames for knight

[tawdry gulch]

like, it was originated by TC or like they went along with it after it was well enough established that a new name would be confusing?

[opaque sigil]

Same thing

[tawdry gulch]

not really

[opaque sigil]

It's the official term either way

[placid pawn]

I think it was just easier to differentiate from hollow knight this way

[tawdry gulch]

one is an assertion of fact by the people who are qualified to speak, the other is them merely accepting the language as it is used.

[opaque sigil]

Either way, it's TC's term

Whether they created it or adopted it, it doesn't make a difference

[tawdry gulch]

Also, as the last surviving heir who isn't likely disinherited, the Knight is possibly technically king and therefore can give itself whatever title it wants

[opaque sigil]

It's only king after getting KB

[tribal merlin]

also we don't know if there may be other vessels

[opaque sigil]

And THK is if anything more legitimate as heir

[tawdry gulch]

I said he's likely disinherited because as stupid as TPK is he'd probably not want an infected monster being even the technical ruler of Hallownest

[opaque sigil]

Hallownest has no procedure for inheritance

The technical ruler of Hallownest is the one who has the King's Brand

There's no such thing as "disinherited"

[tawdry gulch]

that's a reasonable interpretation, but it still means that it would end up in a position where it totally could knight itself for a lark.

[pallid flare]

does the title of king really matter in a dead kingdom?

[opaque sigil]

It isn't an interpretation, it's explicit

[languid jasper]

depends, we know little about Hallownest's monarchy

[opaque sigil]

It sure does

KB opens certain doors

[spice plume]

cringer

[languid jasper]

the only thing whe know is that the king has a mark

[pallid flare]

I mean

other than the door to the abyss

[opaque sigil]

Marks the bearer as King.
Hallownest's ancient places shall open before it.

Then do it, Ghost of Hallownest! Head onward. Burn that mark upon your shell and claim yourself as King.

I see another takes mantle of king? Then grim responsibility that shall bestow.

The brand is very, very explicitly what qualifies one to be considered "king"

[tawdry gulch]

I mean, the way I'd interpret it is that it's a symbol of office rather than... I'm not sure the right word so I'll say a deed of office.

[opaque sigil]

It's a deed

Did you read a single thing I said

[tawdry gulch]

like, a crown does not define who is king, it merely marks them as king.

[opaque sigil]

This isn't a crown, it's a magical mark that denotes an individual as king

[languid jasper]

I feel that the mark is like a crown, is suppose to be used by the king, but wear it dosen't turn you into a king

[opaque sigil]

That's exactly what it does

[languid jasper]

like a crown, except for the magic part

[opaque sigil]

tf do you think a coronation is

[tawdry gulch]

A coronation is a ceremony which marks the transfer and legitimizes it in the public eye. Which you'll note TK didn't get. If a master thief snuck into the throne room, stole the crown, and put it on, would that make him king?

[opaque sigil]

In the case of the King's Brand, yes

[tawdry gulch]

another thing: There's no evidence that the branding thing required TPK to be dead before it turned on. If someone had snuck into the cast-off shell and taken it before then, would there be two kings?

[opaque sigil]

You can't just take it

[languid jasper]

The knight:

[opaque sigil]

Some rando couldn't just wander into the corpse and grab it

[pallid flare]

hornet was protecting that right

[opaque sigil]

If, knowing that truth, you'd still attempt a role in Hallownest's perpetuation, seek the Grave in Ash and the mark it would grant to one like you.

[opaque sigil]

There is also a seal over it

[pallid flare]

in case of a crown you also can't just steal it

it's likely that many are watching it

[tawdry gulch]

it's not that many are watching it, it's that a stolen crown does not confer kingship

[pallid flare]

in case of a crown, no

but we're talking about a magic mark

[opaque sigil]

A magic mark that is explicitly stated to make you King, regardless of surrounding ceremony (or absence thereof)

[pallid flare]

the rules are different here

[tawdry gulch]

Also, I suspect that Hallownest legally has no concept of transfer of power at all. TPK wouldn't want rules for deposing him, and rules for inheritance would be pointless when he meant to live forever.

[opaque sigil]

The only concept regarding this is that having the KB makes you King.

That's the rule

[pallid flare]

you have it, it's yours now, congratulation

it's usually guarded by something

[tawdry gulch]

like, if a legal scholar could dig up enough texts to make a case, I'm pretty sure they'd say that TPK is still king of Hallownest despite being dead and despite a child of his bearing his symbol of office.

[opaque sigil]

Nope

[primal oriole]

Hallownest doesn't have any kind of actual system for picking a new ruler

[opaque sigil]

Because it isn't a symbol, it's a prescriptive thing

[primal oriole]

because their monarchs were immortals

[opaque sigil]

You don't have the brand because you are the king, you are king because you have the brand

[tawdry gulch]

this argument is pointless. We've already explained our positions and presented all relevant information, at this point we're just saying "uh huh" "Nuh uh"

[primal oriole]

everyone treats TK as having become the king, so everyone seems to accept that it's the ruler now

[pallid flare]

well that's a discussion isn't it

[opaque sigil]

You presented nothing as canonical evidence

[pallid flare]

we have evidence behind our claims

[primal oriole]

so if everyone accepts it's rulership because of the brand, it's the king now

[pallid flare]

yeah

whoever has the brand is the king

[tawdry gulch]

one moment while I read the wiki page on dialog flags from the brand

[pallid flare]

if you want it then you have to take it from the current king

if there is one

[opaque sigil]

You can't, it's a brand

You have to get it burned onto your shell by the wyrm corpse

And that can't happen again

TK is the last king

[pallid flare]

ooooh

I thought it was some object

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, the way it's presented in the inventory is a bit misleading

[pallid flare]

does the knight walk around with some symbol on its shell

[opaque sigil]

Then do it, Ghost of Hallownest! Head onward. **Burn that mark upon your shell **and claim yourself as King.

[tawdry gulch]

Yeah, a brand is a mark burned into something

[nimble radish]

since they stick their hand out to get it is it burned on their hand

[opaque sigil]

Could be

idk where else it would be

[pallid flare]

I like the thought of this a lot more

[tawdry gulch]

I'd presume it's burned onto their mask, because I don't think the body would really be receptive to that

[opaque sigil]

Body's shell

Whole exterior of the vessel is

[tawdry gulch]

it's not a bug

[opaque sigil]

It's Void inside the corpse of one

Anyways, I gtg

[pallid flare]

goodbye

[primal oriole]

well "bug"

[languid jasper]

[primal oriole]

PK looks like a bug, but I don't think he actually counts

Vessels were living beings, yeah, but not bugs, but that isn't really relevant to the discussion

[tawdry gulch]

Nah, I'm pretty sure TPK is a bug, just a very powerful one

but I think the vessels were just globs of void in masks

I don't think void can be permanently damaged, as evidenced by the fact that "death" just means the mask breaking and releasing a shade, which can be pulled back into the mask by defeating it.

[primal oriole]

they clearly aren't masks, though?

they hatch from eggs?

oh also this channel is not #hk-lore lmao

[tawdry gulch]

oh yeah, we should maybe move since we've wandered far afield of Silksong

[nimble steppe]

Hornet mask shards are gonna be cool

[tawdry gulch]

ok there's another discussion in lore, I say we should keep this here to not disturb them

[languid jasper]

this channel changes it's thematic every 10 minutes

[tawdry gulch]

oh wait, #hk-discussion is open, let's go there

possibly

[pallid flare]

aren't we done

[languid linden]

Shut up

[tawdry gulch]

On the subject of reactions to the king's brand:
-Bardoon recognizes the mark but seems to have nothing to say about kingship or its absence.
-Emilitia merely shows you a moment's deference because she mistook you for TPK
-Steel Soul Jinn seems to acknowledge the knight's kingship but she's hardly a qualified expert.
-Mask maker refers to "taking the mantle of king", which could mean becoming king or just pilfering his symbol of office
-Midwife and the White Lady both talk only about missing Hornet
Overall, there's some evidence that the brand actually confers kingship rather than just indicating it, but it's worth noting that we're zero for one on actual subjects of the Pale King giving you any respect.

[nimble radish]

Jinn is a she

[tawdry gulch]

oh

edited

[spare kite]

Why is the counter @302 ....

[languid linden]

What counter

[pallid flare]

dunno

[trim estuary]

idk

[tall hinge]

pyro you realize you stopped your countdown like a week ago, right?

[pallid flare]

what countdown

[pallid flare]

oooh

[tall hinge]

[pallid flare]

yeah that one has been going since late august

[tall hinge]

[opaque sigil]

Just gonna put this comparison of Hornet's spear to spearbugs here because I like how it shows off Hornet's customization of her tools

Hornet's is on the right

[stark estuary]

Hornet made the design worse smh

[charred zephyr]

One looks like a fishing rod and the other looks like an actual weapon so i say she did good

[tall hinge]

hornet's looks cooler

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's probably worse by rl standards but Hornet has experience throwing her needle, so I think modifying it to be a bit more similar makes sense

[stark estuary]

She made the spearhead like three times longer and the shaft metal

[opaque sigil]

She has no trouble throwing the needle

Like I said, by rl standards it doesn't make much sense, but by HK standards it's fine

Hell have you seen nail-lances? Those are even less wieldy

I mean nails have no pommels, the balance on those things must be total shit

They're less swords and more sharp clubs

[copper knot]

what the hell are pommels

[opaque sigil]

Heavy things on the end of the hilt that add some balance

[trim estuary]

On a sword there’s the hilt like the stick you hold, the blade is the sharp part, and the pommel is the in between

[opaque sigil]

That's the crossguard

[trim estuary]

well

what’s a pommel then

The sphere thingies?

[trim estuary]

Ohhhh

[opaque sigil]

idk I just googled "sword" and grabbed a picture

It doesn't look real

[weary rock]

cuando

[opaque sigil]

When it's ready

[weary rock]

3 years of spanish are amassing to this

pero necesito Silksong

[pallid flare]

no

[trim estuary]

no

[opaque sigil]

Negative

[trim estuary]

no

[spice plume]

A club can’t be sharp

Except at its tip

[opaque sigil]

It was a joke about the shoddy balance

[proud vale]

No

[analog forge]

pommels arent the end all be all in terms of balance

Plenty of swords dont have pommels

Typically calvary sword, mind you

[vivid belfry]

why are we arguing about balance the game's not even out yet

[olive bobcat]

🥬 ⚔️ 🍇

[cerulean sable]

honestly wish you can use this like a rapier

[dusty kettle]

https://youtu.be/5X-Mrc2l1d0

[cerulean sable]

also pommels are extremely useful, especially if you wanna end someone rightly

[opaque sigil]

Cavalry swords aren't thicc wedges of metal

[copper knot]

why carry a sword when you can carry a baseball bat

[cerulean sable]

swords can be used to proc ripostes while baseball is far more better for CC by using their stun

[sullen fractal]

is silksong out yet?

[formal karma]

No

[solar hinge]

yeah

[sullen fractal]

I don't know what to believe

[solar hinge]

flip a coin

[opaque sigil]

#hk-announcements for one

[sullen fractal]

Yall hear about that cool space themed hollow knight coming out next week?

Assholes ripping team cherry off

They should sue

[solar hinge]

elaborate

[formal karma]

Cmon man.......

[hearty tendon]

Can't believe its coming out before ss lmao

[copper knot]

what

[formal karma]

My guess is that it's not a rope off but hey

[solar hinge]

he never elaborated

[formal karma]

Don't worry about it

[livid oracle]

I think tools are pretty OP they need to be nerfed

[formal karma]

Well........... my guess is that they're not

[wanton barn]

The game isn’t even out yet

[cerulean sable]

i fear more that theyll be under utilized

[livid oracle]

Hornets heal needs to be buffed a bit. The charge time takes too long. Boss fights are too hard

[mortal bluff]

I agree. especially the green one with yellow spikes

[opaque sigil]

I can see that, I tend to be overly conservative with consumables

[copper knot]

i cant be the only one who doesnt like using consumables

[cerulean sable]

"unless Mega Satan with a Mark v666 power armor shows up, im not using my mega health potion"

[opaque sigil]

Well at least shell shards will have no theoretical limit nor require specific effort to acquire

[copper knot]

im the kind of dude who stocks up on 59435493054358 healing potions and end up never using them

[rigid isle]

lmao same

[cerulean sable]

its a bit different in Divinity 2 for us

[rigid isle]

whats divinity 2?

[copper knot]

lmao im not using this healing potion unless if theres an emergency
emergency happens
but what if theres a BIGGER EMERGENCY

[trim estuary]

what

[rigid isle]

me playing pokemon

[cerulean sable]

there are points where each fight was really hard that using a potion to do a cheese strat or get a win is worth it as each encounter is predetermined (ie not randomly generated)

so we at least feel ok with using potions on a fight because while were losing resources, were also clearing enemies that wont respawn anyway

[opaque sigil]

At least the commonality of shards and the cap to the amount you can hold make it hard to rationalize stockpiling too much

[copper knot]

also when it comes to games i always end up buying the
cheapest healing potions/foods

that how i ended up with 84535905 tofus on omori

[cerulean sable]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/435150/Divinity_Original_Sin_2__Definitive_Edition/

Steam

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Price

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113405

Metacritic

93

▶ Play video

[rigid isle]

is it good?

[cerulean sable]

its a pretty damn good coop rpg

[trim estuary]

The shardic balls?

[copper knot]

outer wilds is on sale should i buy iy

[cerulean sable]

provided your teammates arent a bunch of idiots who keeps trying to pick pocket everyone in town

[rigid isle]

if it goes on sale I might get it

[mortal bluff]

No?

[cerulean sable]

fyi its turnbased tho so know what youre getting into

[opaque sigil]

Murder hobos

[marsh ibex]

hiiiii ttacco

[rigid isle]

scratch that i'm not getting it

[cerulean sable]

hi

[copper knot]

i understand nothing from that screenshot

[mortal bluff]

The ones that make the green smoke clouds

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95wH1f2hj6w the VFX is damn good tho and the combat in general is fun despite peeps i know not liking turnbased games in general

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_B3QJX-j_s

[opaque sigil]

I tried to play divinity, but it never really clicked for me. Maybe I'll give it another shot some time, though it seems like it'd be more fun with other people

[cerulean sable]

same issue with me

i found a bit too hard

but with friends its a lot more fun because they tend to fuck off and do random incidents

[opaque sigil]

Shame I have no friends

[cerulean sable]

we often have convos that go
"dude, why are you in combat with the entire town you dumb fuck"
"i dont know dude they just attacked me"
"are you sure?"
"yeah"
"or is it because you keep stealing shit from them you dumbass"
"tbf i thought you can steal shit while invisible"

[rigid isle]

lmao

[opaque sigil]

Murder hobos

[serene chasm]

SS discussion Divinity 2 coop campaign?

[cerulean sable]

dibs on hydromancy

[serene chasm]

I dont know the game super well but Ill play whatever the rouge class is

[rigid isle]

have you seen bdgs unraveled where he calculated pets hp using rpg classes

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIfHhBpMGz0 rogue abilities were my first build and i love their VFX

during our session i would ALWAYS say edgy shit before using any of the abilities

[opaque sigil]

With abilities like that you gotta say edgy shit

[formal karma]

I mean you gotta

[cerulean sable]

like "your time is up friend" or "the darkness envelopes me" because im supposed to be RPing as some edgelord dual knife dude

you gotta yeah

[formal karma]

I have fond memories of dos1

[cerulean sable]

at one point i needed to use throwing knives at one guy to finish the fight, but i was out of range and i already used my rogue teleport equivalent ability, but i still had backlash

and one of my friends was also conveniently close to the enemy, which meant i could backlash at him so i can get close enough. Issue is his health was low enough so backlashing would kill him

so i had to say "Im sorry friend, sacrifices have to made. Nothing personal kiddo" before using him as teleport material

i didnt get too far with Div 1 after 2, felt very off mostly on QOL reasons

kinda like what ill feel trying to go back to HK after Silksong 😎

[opaque sigil]

Kinda feel bad for people who play SS first ngl, it'll make HK less impressive of an experience

[formal karma]

Pfft

It's like trying to play ds2 after ds3 or ds1 remaster....

[cerulean sable]

ngl

i kinda still vibe with 1

[formal karma]

1 is great

[cerulean sable]

while 3 is more fluid, i didnt like how fast combat has become

theres this slowness to the first game that felt impactful

[formal karma]

I guess.....

[cerulean sable]

kinda same issue i had with most modern FPS having people run like theyre on meth, i like it when its a bit more slowpaced

i still liked 3 fyi

i enjoyed the combat still, but i would wish it was a bit slower

[formal karma]

I can see that, but I enjoy being able to rush people down

[opaque sigil]

Fast paced works sometimes, like titanfall, but yeah, I agree that sometimes less is more in terms of speed

[formal karma]

Quickslash baybeeeeee

[cerulean sable]

again why i like Kingdom Come's combat, it felt like you two where in heavy armor during the fights

like it was tiring to be in that suit

[formal karma]

Uea dude shit musta been brutal

[opaque sigil]

I'm kinda partial to faster melee combat ngl

[rapid ibex]

im buying ss as soon as it gets released

[formal karma]

I'd love to have a crowbill tho

Day 1 purchase and play for me too obviously

[opaque sigil]

I imagine that to be consistent with the intentions of most on this server

[rapid ibex]

fr and hopefully we get a deeper look into hornets lore

[formal karma]

Well... yea we will

[rapid ibex]

i doubt this would be the case, but imagine if u got to fight the knight in greenpath and kingdoms edge playing as hornet

[cerulean sable]

i love either if theyre executed well

[opaque sigil]

Frankly we kinda know enough about Hornet that TC doesn't need to expand much, although they will likely have to reintroduce her anyways for the benefit of new players

[cerulean sable]

like in SS i actually love that the combat is gonna be faster

but for DS, i was hoping it retained its slowness

again different case for different games

[formal karma]

We could easily get more context for how and why she is exactly as she is tho

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, DS is all about methodical combat, no? In that case, slow and steady is more appropriate

[cerulean sable]

i wont get into doom expecting you to walk and move like a tank

[cerulean sable]

yeah but i get why DS3's combat is far more liked

like its more fluid and the omnidirectional rolling is too good

lots of QOL stuff regarding it too

i guess if you really wanna go back to those roots, theres always the Demon Souls remaster

[formal karma]

Rumored to be coming to steam

[opaque sigil]

on what grounds

[cerulean sable]

source: my mom 😎

[warm bone]

so is bloodborne

[formal karma]

Actually not that I've heard lel

[warm bone]

good thing we can already play demon's souls on pc

[formal karma]

Can we.......?

[warm bone]

rpcs3

ps3 emulation

[formal karma]

I suppose.......

[mortal grove]

hi

[mortal grove]

naw i dont think tc will do that

[opaque sigil]

Do what, reintroduce Hornet for new players? They'd kinda have to

Unless nothing we know about her already has any bearing on SS

[cunning geode]

Thankfully hornet can introduce herself to the player by introducing herself to npcs

[obsidian juniper]

Hi everyone

How are you all doing?

Nice

[cerulean sable]

i doubt people will just call her hornet

theyll probably give her nicknames

like "royal asshole" or something

[opaque sigil]

I kinda like it when different characters refer to the protagonist in different ways, keeps things a bit more interesting

[warm bone]

A pompous rich person could call her poornet

[mortal grove]

they could also say "thats pleasant history peasant"

[opaque sigil]

Poornet
Why would you spell it porenet, that makes it sound like there's something wrong with her pores or smth (which she may not have, idk if HK bugs do)

[warm bone]

I think your hallucinating

[opaque sigil]

Riiight

[warm bone]

Might want to get your psyche checked

[opaque sigil]

Hallucinating

Guess the sleep deprivation's getting to me, that's the only explanation

[mortal grove]

im not seeing anything

[warm bone]

It’s nothing special, a lot of people who spend their time in here eventually lose it

[opaque sigil]

[warm bone]

I gotta eat dinner. Good luck with your mental health 👍

[opaque sigil]

That ship has sailed

[obsidian juniper]

Oh oh

[serene chasm]

Sleep is very important. Dont take it for granted.

[opaque sigil]

Trust me, I know that better than most

[rustic crater]

[opaque sigil]

There's worse shit than insomnia

[olive bobcat]

Like worms

[tawdry valley]

Anything but “stupid bitch” is giving salty gamers too much credit

Unless you mean in-game names for her. The most common one so far has been “little spider” and I don’t see that one going anywhere (Though she may have a different name that revolves around the actual story)

[opaque sigil]

Astute as that observation may be, I think TTacco was talking about npcs

[tawdry valley]

You are too late

[opaque sigil]

Fight me

[tawdry valley]

I am now within my rights to grant you le 🐌

[opaque sigil]

[obsidian juniper]

Now that i think about it if some bugs call her spider,witch means that theres spiders in pharloom

[opaque sigil]

Weavers are originally from there

[obsidian juniper]

That would mean that Weavers are a common faction in pharloom and not death or theres other spider faction
Witch now that i think about it doesnt mean anything

[tawdry valley]

If you couldn’t guess from the several weaver masks in trailer, existing lore, and the weaver icon in the title of the game

Their existing experience with silk based spells and the title/setting of the game may also be considered

[olive bobcat]

Or the Weaver we see

[obsidian juniper]

I meant it More like weaver probably arent death but there isnt a reason to them being death in pharloom

[opaque sigil]

I agree, weavers probably are not death incarnate

[tawdry valley]

We also see a weaver like, in the trailer.

So yes, there are probably spiders(weavers) in pharloom

But that’s just a theory

A G A M E T H E O R Y

[serene chasm]

Of course Weavers are in SS. Team cherry said they are (whats left of them) helping hornet regain her powers after she lost them

[tawdry valley]

Guess we’ll have to wait for full release to find out

[obsidian juniper]

Ok i need to see the f.ckings interviews before saying anything

[tawdry valley]

Bro they are in the trailer.

[cerulean sable]

who did it better

[obsidian juniper]

Are they in other part of the trailer besides the logo?

[opaque sigil]

Both are serviceable

[olive bobcat]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

There's a weaver literally in the trailer, towards the end

[olive bobcat]

Not sure how you missed this tbh

[obsidian juniper]

I just meant they arent gonna be death or forgotten or something,i know they are in the game

[tawdry valley]

Oh okay, fair

[opaque sigil]

Do you mean "dead?"
"Dead" and "death" are different words

[brave stone]

Friendly lore reminder that Hornet is not a Weaver

[olive bobcat]

You die, only to enter a cutscene of a Weaver walking Hornet down a dark hallway to the afterlife

[obsidian juniper]

I just forgot

[tawdry valley]

Not the discussion; but yes

[opaque sigil]

She wears their garb and wields their weapons and techniques, even if she is not a weaver by blood

[brave stone]

Also here is interesting idea. At the end of the Silksong demo it says "discover your song". I wonder if that has anything to do with why your shade plays music when you are near it in HK

[opaque sigil]

[serene chasm]

I dont think it has anything to do with that

[opaque sigil]

Why would those things be at all connected.

[obsidian juniper]

The end goal of the game Is to Find the two halfs of despacito

[brave stone]

Like there is no lore reason why the shade plays music. but on the other hand no NPC says anyting about your shade making music

so it is likely nothing

[opaque sigil]

Lorewise the shade probably just doesn't

Void isn't renowned for musicality

[serene chasm]

I always assumed the shade had a tune play to signal to the player that it was nearby.

[brave stone]

Well in Monomons archives it says that the Vesses were made "THIR-VOID-LIQUID-SUBSTANCE-O-
WEAVE-ABSENCE-INNER-O-SHELL-OUTER-THIR-MATER"

[obsidian juniper]

Probably

[brave stone]

so what if the music is some magic of some sort form WL?

[opaque sigil]

A does not imply B

[obsidian juniper]

Now that i think about it Is that a Alive Weaver?i thought that it was a Weavers ruin of Sorts and hornet was obtaining it spell style

[opaque sigil]

It sure looks like a weaver. As in exactly like a weaver

[serene chasm]

I dont know Tammo. Are you really sure

[opaque sigil]

gee now idk it could be a wyrm

[serene chasm]

I think its a moth

[brave stone]

We know for a fact the Weavers are from pharloom and returned there at the start of Hollowknight Ellina says so

No it is an Oreo 😛

[opaque sigil]

Or soon before the beginning of HK

[obsidian juniper]

I should shut the f.ck up about Lore tbh

[tawdry valley]

They’re asking if the weaver in specific is dead

[brave stone]

Weavers and Spiders are all just Oreos it is canon now

[tawdry valley]

It looks pretty dead to me tbh, or at least it’s not actively running around pharloom anytime soon.

[opaque sigil]

idk how we would determine that, if it's able to teach Hornet it could be alive

[brave stone]

I think it is magically bound

like Bind is HUGE lore word for Silksong

[obsidian juniper]

No,like i thought it was a ruin with weaver shape because i didnt saw the dress

[tawdry valley]

I mean, think in terms of shaman absorption

[brave stone]

so Hornet is unbinding the weaver

IDK if the weaver is alive or not

[tawdry valley]

Nah it’s a real weaver

[opaque sigil]

Well yeah but we have no reason to assume that weavers work the same way, that they could leave abilities the same way shamans leave spells

[brave stone]

I say probably. like the goal of the game is to save the weaning kingdom and one of the steps to do that is to make sure there are an adequate number of Weavers still alive to help rebuild or do other things

[opaque sigil]

Pharloom doesn't necessarily need weavers to survive

[obsidian juniper]

Hey
What ss content should i watch to be to date in ss Lore?

I Will Bing it one day that i have free time

[brave stone]

I would read the everything we know about SS doc

I also like the seed theory one

[opaque sigil]

ss lore is kinda fast and loose atm, not much can be said with certainty

[brave stone]

but as of now there not much

Stizzl and DeepDock have made some good speculation vids

but they are not mandatory

[obsidian juniper]

I expressed myself wrong
Not so much like lore,More like what the fandom knows actually

[brave stone]

the what we know about SS doc is just that

[opaque sigil]

Same things apply to that

[obsidian juniper]

Ah ok

[opaque sigil]

Although ig we have marginally more data regarding game systems

[agile kelp]

i suggest mattpat

[chilly nexus]

someone say theories? click the linkie link^

[brave stone]

Hornet is Spamton?

Now's your chance to be a big SHAW 😛

[opaque sigil]

Would do a hyperlink blocked joke but I don't want to piss off wikibot

[copper knot]

just say [hyperlink blocked]

[chilly nexus]

i mean yeha, you have to copy and paste it :p

it's in my name

[brave stone]

I want just 1 Kromer

[obsidian juniper]

I see

[opaque sigil]

smh self promotion banned

[chilly nexus]

is it self promotion if it's not monetized or followable though? it's the equivalent of free-press knowledge. no ads and no social influencing

[opaque sigil]

I said

[chilly nexus]

[serene chasm]

Hey kids, wanna try a hit of silksong?

[tropic dawn]

Can I try 2 hits?

[serene chasm]

woah man! this is some strong stuff. you gotta take it slow

[cerulean sable]

oy oy

no distribution of illegal substances

youre getting banned bro

[serene chasm]

Ah fuck its the 5-0. Peace!

[mortal grove]

@ mods suspicious link

[steel gulch]

why is your name a link

bug kromer

[alpine folio]

Yooooo whats poppinnnnn

[serene chasm]

bubblewrap

[coarse leaf]

Yooooo

I just listened to the silksong (music) samples for the first time, and MAN was I missing out

[fleet temple]

I think that the lace theme might play when you fight lace, idk why, just a thought

[coarse leaf]

Whats/who’s lace?

[stiff burrow]

[serene chasm]

Have you watched the treehouse demo?

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/Y8lvHT_IQbM?t=970 timestamped

shes basically the "rival" equivalent as Hornet was to the Knight in the first game

[fleet temple]

what game is that?

[serene chasm]

Its a HK mod

[fleet temple]

looks cool

[cerulean sable]

Empty Chevalier: Melody of the Thread

[fleet temple]

so I just want to make sure that everyone knows to get in the bunker to survive the storm of people that occurs when ss gets announced

[serene patrol]

So thats why in the game after ss we'll be playing as her?

[cerulean sable]

hopefully they subvert that expectation

[serene patrol]

Hey man all i see is a pattern

[cunning geode]

we'll be playing as Grindle in the third one actually

[heavy magnet]

i'll be a bit sad when it's announced, because I'll have to withdraw from hk related discords to avoid dread thpoilerth
moreso when it's actually released

for a while, anyway

[stoic path]

Hornet ties her shoe-LACES

[tropic dawn]

Is it just me or does Hornet's cloak looks like it spins when she walks?

[fleet temple]

I think I've just entered the stage in ss waiting where I'm just accepting that ss isn't coming out for a while and i'm just gonna think about how cool it is

[tropic dawn]

Currently watching the E3 demo.

[stoic path]

It sort does look like it, but I believe it's swaying with the wind.

[coarse leaf]

Thanks

[serene chasm]

sharpe discussion time

[fleet temple]

The game just looks cool

[fleet temple]

I think he will be interesting

[ashen canyon]

snek

[chilly nexus]

I think we'll also have multiple encounters with sharpe. tbh I feel like so many characters in SS have such fleshed out story lines that we'll be crossing paths with both bosses and npcs alike, numerous times

[analog forge]

sharpe more like not void

[upper oasis]

Some of The new Characters in ss look very interesting

[fleet temple]

I do have a theory about how we will encounter sharpe, that isn't based on much but it's an interesting thought. In the trailer we see steel enemies (which are mostly likely connected to sharpe) in the coral forest. Maybe during certain points during the story, steel enemies will "invade" an area and we'll have to defeat them, maybe going a longer way to the end, and then we will fight sharpe at the end

[ashen canyon]

coral forest, more like fog canyon

[fleet temple]

silksong more like- nah I'm not low enough to do a fucking silknever joke

[opal geyser]

Doesn’t Sharpe have, like, two more goons?

[heavy magnet]

he's been shown with silhouettes of two other bugs, we've only seen one revealed so far (it has lasers)

there's also Steelsoul Jinn, there's some kind of connection there

[fleet temple]

yeah, I think the two things that will at least be expanded upon from hollow knight are the weavers and the steel creatures

[opal geyser]

Maybe these steel creatures would have something to do with the extra difficulty mode silksong will have? Like Hollow Knight had steel soul.

[heavy magnet]

i love the idea of zones being temporarily 'invaded' by new enemies

when Grimm Troupe was first announced i thought that's how it was going to work - they would 'haunt' an area for a while

[fleet temple]

yeah, maybe it could be that they close of a path and you have to go a longer and harder way

[opal geyser]

I would be very surprised if that’s how they made it. That would seem a lot more work on their part, and it may seem kind of awkward. But I’m into anything new Team Cherrys got

But I do think it would be cool trying to navigate the map while being chased by these assassins

[heavy magnet]

the quest system they're introducing seems like a definite 'on-going' gameplay element - you're never going to run out of quests
'invasions' could be another one - some persistent gameplay element to make running around more eventful

[opal geyser]

What if this was the extra difficulty silksong has? Like dying in steelsoul made you forever lose the game, silksoul (or whatever it’s called) will have these characters hunting you

Are you sure there would be an infinite amount of quests? If so, that would be awesome.

[heavy magnet]

it's what I would do - keeps the game from ever truly ending, you can always load up your save, grab some quests and go running around knocking them off

[opal geyser]

I would hope the quests get progressively harder though

Until the hardest is near impossible. I personally enjoy near impossible tasks

[heavy magnet]

i expect they'll get harder as you progress through the game and get new stuff
maybe they track your overall completion %, have the hardest ones be late game

[analog forge]

I highly doubt silksong will have radiant quests

you definetly will run out of quests.

[opal geyser]

Hmm, maybe you unlock more quests the bigger your % gets

[opal geyser]

But maybe you would be able to replay quests over and over again

[analog forge]

the quest system is basically the same as the one in the witcher 3, and you werent able to replay quests in that

[opal geyser]

Wait, how do we know this?

[heavy magnet]

if it's simple stuff like fetch quests, hunting enemy types, etc. if would be easy to just have them cycle continuously
'help, the bugalump is attacking bonebutt again! go fight it!'

[opal geyser]

Yup

[analog forge]

Ya, no.
this isnt skyrim.
they wont go down that route.

[opal geyser]

Well we can’t really be sure until the day comes. This is all just speculation

[fleet temple]

How I imagine that would work is that at first there are quests which are important, give good rewards and other stuff like that, like for example the "grand hunt" quests I imagine would just be finding some hard optional bosses whereas "hunt" quests would be something like "kill x amount of x enemies in x area" and the reward is like 200 rosaries or something. So I think that after all the special quests are done, then it's just infinite simple quests that reward you with money

[opal geyser]

This is exactly what I agree with

[fleet temple]

but I could see them just making all quests different in some way and just having an end to them

[heavy magnet]

yeah, though I think (and hope) that grand quests will also cycle (you can always have some powerful beast be part of a species of many)

[analog forge]

I really doubt there will be infinite lesser quests.
quest board systems , like those in far cry 3 and witcher 3 are better for completionist type things, and infinite quests fly right in the face of that

[opal geyser]

Mayhaps

[analog forge]

Not to mention that noone actually likes infinite and or radiant quests.

[opal geyser]

Speak for thyself

[analog forge]

people talk all the time about infinite content, and the like, but radiant quests from fallout was one of the most disparaged things about it

and the theives guild radiant quests, those were hella disparaged too, (granted, for a different reason but still)

[heavy magnet]

when you said radiant quests i was like thinking quests where you die in one hit
I would definitely hate that

[analog forge]

When i say radiant quests, i mean in the skyrim sense.

"Radiant Quests are quests that randomly select the goal or target location (see Radiant A.I.). Some can be repeated infinitely, granting the rewards each time you complete them, while sending you to a different location such that a new Radiant Quest is not likely to be a duplicate of the previous one you have accepted (though it is still possible with the limited number of available locations and objectives)."

they repeat infinitely, have slight variation, and give a static reward.

[still owl]

I find it absolutely fascinating that Sharpe blinks given 90% of hollow knight characters do not blink.

[fleet temple]

honestly I'm fine either way with how they do quests

[analog forge]

Far cry 3 gets by just fine with fininite quests, so can silksong

and thats one of the greatest games of all time

same with witcher 3

[fleet temple]

Ride to hell is better

[fiery coral]

[formal kelp]

Coral forest gonna be best area

Its hot

[night hull]

Moss Grotto > Coral Forest

[heavy magnet]

i love the dreary look of Greymoor

i don't want to know about any new areas until playing though - wanna just explore and have the map keep on going like in HK

[ocean mulch]

I love them both

[ember yoke]

silksong amirite?

[hushed wasp]

^^^^

I love coral forest but moss grotto looks so detailed and nice

you can practically feel the moss when looking at trailers

[violet fern]

How long would it take to mod silksong?

[hushed wasp]

probably not long

modinstallers script will be very similar to silksong mod installers script probably

[violet fern]

I would like to see hornet with a spider man skin

Someone's gonna mod in a shade sooner or later

[cerulean sable]

depending on how fast the API is made

[tribal merlin]

SilkSong on thumby
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kenburns/thumby-the-tiny-playable-keychain

[modest night]

ttacco gun mod when

[tribal merlin]

mods gonna get guns? 👀

[modest night]

nah im not american

[cerulean sable]

i just need a scmuck to make sprites for me

[modest night]

we'll just use our influence to make art disc work for you

yw

[cerulean sable]

YRUE

[mortal grove]

helo

[pallid flare]

hi

[tall hinge]

henlo

[pallid flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/857143816883404800.gif?size=64

[tall hinge]

[opaque sigil]

Somebody get that WK some coffee

[iron spear]

I hope the modders make is so I can play as the Knight in silksong

[worldly dune]

Probs gonna happen in a day of Silksong release if it even releases

[iron spear]

If only I knew anyone who was able to mod silksong but I don't :(

[opaque sigil]

I'd rather the modders make it so I can play Hornet in HK

[opaque sigil]

just ask ari and william to add it as an extra mode

[iron spear]

New game minus

[opaque sigil]

(It's impossible to get out of moss grotto since TK can't learn the silk spear move)

[fallow apex]

Or can they?

[rapid topaz]

Once, I wanted to make a custom bossfight mod where Watchers Knight have wings, in a bigger arena, sort of boss variant.
Then I remembered that I didn't know how to code, neither draw sprites

At least I had some imagination

[heady iron]

you can mod literally any unity game the moment it comes out w bepinex

[night hull]

Dead chat

[trim estuary]

[trim estuary]

relatable

[ocean mulch]

I hope modders make it so you can play as Lace

[trim estuary]

if they havent modded the ability to play as hornet in HKVH probably not

[worldly dune]

I hope modders make it so you can play as Elderbug

[trim estuary]

unless its just a skin

[night hull]

Is there Elderbug skin in hk

[opaque sigil]

[heady iron]

once silksong comes out and we can get the sprites then it might happen

[steep basalt]

did the devs confirm anything yet?

[opaque sigil]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[night hull]

Ik Graig is a playtester, but this maybe means we will be able to mod

[opaque sigil]

Why wouldn't modding be possible

[night hull]

I missunderstood this

Im a dumass

[pallid flare]

everything can be modded if you want to

[opaque sigil]

True, but some things are easier to mod than others

[sweet lotus]

was it under question that Silksong will be moddable?

[opaque sigil]

Not really

[marsh ibex]

Mo

Money

[pallid flare]

what

[night hull]

I hate how chat is dying so often now

[opaque sigil]

Chat death isn't a bad thing

[ocean mulch]

Nothing to say

[opaque sigil]

When there's conversation there is, when there isn't there isn't. Trying to force it just degrades the quality of discourse

that being said do you wanna talk about tools

[pallid flare]

atleast no ones talking about the leak

[opaque sigil]

Shh you'll summon them

[nimble radish]

tool leak

[opaque sigil]

The other day I saw something in Edge that kinda supported the bonebottom reconstruction idea

[ocean mulch]

Wanna talk about stools?

What reconstruction

[hearty tendon]

Stools allow hornet to get that epic cookie jar

[nimble radish]

the stool is actually the most useful terraria accessory

[hearty tendon]

Impossible

[opaque sigil]

The idea that as you do things bonebottom gets more buildings and services and stuff

[hearty tendon]

I trash it once i got it

[ocean mulch]

Aaah

I can see that

[opaque sigil]

“And then there are also these tasks that characters – or Hornet herself – will lay out for the player.” “They vary across the world,” Gibson says, “and some of them are related to helping the residents in seeing changes and evolution to the spaces that you inhabit.” Pellen adds: “There’s more of that stuff happening this time – it’s quite a complex world.”

[hearty tendon]

Silksong base building 😳

[ocean mulch]

Except you don't build the base

[fiery coral]

you manage resources and get the townsfolk to build it for you

[hearty tendon]

As long as i govern it that's fine by me

[opaque sigil]

What we've seen of bonebottom is pretty weird, really. It seems like it's a pretty big empty space with just a couple of tents in the middle. The idea of a town building up around there seems fitting

Plus iirc there wasn't a bench there in the trailer but in an Edge screenshot there is one

Then again that could just be because the first time you get there there's an enemy or smth

[hearty tendon]

That feels like alot

If this is the kind of overscoping that team cherry gone through than i understand why it take so long

[opaque sigil]

I wouldn't anticipate that adding too much on, it's just some extra sprites and dialogue. Even Dirtmouth developed a little bit

[hearty tendon]

They did say it's gonna be bigger

The question is just how big it is

[opaque sigil]

I mean they passed HK's enemy count almost 2 years ago, so unless they banged out all the enemies right away, probably a decent amount bigger

But tbh I don't think size is necessarily the primary factor in terms of how long the game is taking, I think detail could well be just as significant

[hearty tendon]

Bugs and polish is also really important and that takes loong.

[cerulean sable]

betting bonebottom is a mining camp

[opaque sigil]

They seem more like refugees to me, since they don't have any equipment

[cerulean sable]

where the workers rest before eventually going down to work all over again

i will propose a half half

originally a mining town

now used as temp refugee place due to the curse

[opaque sigil]

When we first encounter it it doesn't really look like a town at all, tbh. It's just a few tents

[hearty tendon]

Refugees tents sound plausible

[opaque sigil]

If it was an old mining town I'd expect to see some old buildings or smth

[cerulean sable]

hey tents can be used as temporary housing and honestly i dont think thats bonebottom proper

[hearty tendon]

Bonebottom is just like the dark side of L.A. huh

[opaque sigil]

Even on the other side it's still just tents

Or ig that thing on the far left could maybe be part of a house

Not a very big one though

But also if it was a previously existing town then a quest board would probably already have been set up

Unless it was torn down by a rampaging beast, so nvm. Duh

[shell yacht]

[opaque sigil]

Sometimes I type faster than I think ok

[proud vale]

Hey Outer wilds people, ya'll been getting around the DLC? (no spoilers here pls lol)

[opaque sigil]

Not yet

Is it good?

[proud vale]

fair, I had to troubleshoot for like 1.5hrs to get it to launch cause I had a tiny mod I forgot about

it very good

I'm not too far in I don't think so keen for what's to come

[opaque sigil]

[fiery coral]

Not yet

[fiery coral]

is it scary

[opaque sigil]

idk if anything can be scarier than ||dark bramble||

[proud vale]

You will have to find out for yourself my friend

[fiery coral]

[opaque sigil]

that isn't a no and I hate that

[proud vale]

They CERTAINLY were not lying when they said don't forget what button the goddamn flashlight is though

[opaque sigil]

[proud vale]

It is actually really cool though and I hope ya'll enjoy, nuff said about that

[opaque sigil]

Anyways, back to SS. I am now firmly on team bonebottom (re)construction

HK kinda was unremarkable in terms of how much your actions affected the world aside from endings, so I'm glad SS will do a bit more of that. When executed well, that sort of thing adds a lot to a game imo

[proud vale]

Well hey not many games change whole previous areas as a consequence of the players actions

[marsh ibex]

did you know that tammo is a zote pfp

[opaque sigil]

Infected crossroads is kinda a different situation. It isn't a response to a specific action, it's just the game responding to your overall progress in the best way it can

[coarse leaf]

I don’t like infected crossroads, i always forgot that some of the paths I liked were blocked afterwards

[mortal grove]

if you kill dreamer automatic infected crossroads right?

[opaque sigil]

That or getting monarch wings

[mortal grove]

damn

[trim estuary]

Is it possible to get EtV without getting infected crossroads

[opaque sigil]

Yeah infected crossroads are kinda just annoying. If they had done anything else aside from just blocking paths and adding more kamikazee explodey enemies maybe it wouldn't be

[opaque sigil]

Uh, maybe depending on whether IC triggers on BV death or wing collection

[mortal grove]

whats etv again