sk-discussion

[serene chasm]

Sometimes the Gods come down from atop their thrones on Olympus and let us mere mortals bask in their incandescent glory

[blazing geyser]

Twitter

[midnight radish]

What twitter

[acoustic jacinth]

like idek what their discord accounts or twitter accounts are

[cerulean sable]

yeah he out right said it on the magazine that he doesnt like being social, i think its just being a really big introvert

https://twitter.com/wilboooo

wilbop (@wilboooo)

woooooow, wow wow,

Tweets

189

Followers

261

Twitter

[blazing geyser]

Wilbo is wide_wilbo or smth

[cerulean sable]

https://twitter.com/wilboooo/status/1441385945022881803

wilbop (@wilboooo)

Bitten by a spider? To get your revenge, live life to the fullest

Twitter · Sep 24, 2021, 12:56 PM

[blazing geyser]

Oh nvm my brain is fucked af lmao

[midnight radish]

That’s him? Lmao

[cerulean sable]

hes been posting weird shit like this since the inception of his twitter back in 2014

[serene chasm]

Ari doesnt have any social media. Cause he smart like that

[acoustic jacinth]

what are their discords

[cerulean sable]

he apparently has a private instagram

[proud vale]

Yeah he posts some weird stuff

[cerulean sable]

wide wilbo and ariex2 or something like, just dont ping or dm them

[acoustic jacinth]

dont worry i dont want to annoy them

[proud vale]

I think wilbo's facebook is discoverable weirdly enough though

[acoustic jacinth]

im just curious to see what kind of stuff theyve sent here honestly

[blazing geyser]

I somewhat wonder how big their backlog of notifs is

[acoustic jacinth]

cant find either of these

[blazing geyser]

Found ari just fine

[cerulean sable]

AriEX2#0205
wilbo#2948

i still remember this time

when everyone was spamming Wilbo's portrait

[proud vale]

yeah Wilbo should really change his facebook name

[cerulean sable]

and he just fucking replies 😐

also remember the time out of fucking nowhere, somewhere in the middle of this year

when we were just talking like as usual

then some guy said "Wilbo's face scares me"

and he OUT OF NOWHERE reacts 😐

never spoke, never did anything, just reacted that to that one message

[proud vale]

Moment's like that are so poggy

[cerulean sable]

it was so sudden srsly

[proud vale]

Wilbo react now... you wouldnt?

[blazing geyser]

[proud vale]

alas

[cerulean sable]

the last thing i was expecting is a TC member lurking and reacting on some randos on a very slow day

[proud vale]

he cannot be summoned so easily

[serene chasm]

https://www.neogaf.com/search/2682693/

Here is Ari's old neogaf account. He hasnt used it since 2017 but there is some interesting thoughts about gaming from him there

[acoustic jacinth]

tf is a neogaf

[blazing geyser]

A site

[serene chasm]

old gaming forum

I miss forums. Fuck reddit for killing them

[cerulean sable]

https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/379430/

cough

[proud vale]

that's heaps cool

It's cool to see Ari vocal about stuff seeing as he's pretty silent now

[serene chasm]

I really need to play that game.

[cerulean sable]

watch as you try to fight a fully armed soldier expecting to skyrim it

and instead getting slashed 3 times then bleeding to death

no wait

make it 2

[cerulean sable]

avoiding that social media stress

[serene chasm]

I know its not skyrim. I wouldnt expect it to be easy like it.

[cerulean sable]

good

now expect to spend your first 4 in game days just training repeatedly with the combat instructor until you get good enough with swords that he teaches you how to do parries and counters

call it grinding, i call it immersion

something cozy about just waking up in the morning, getting a meal, training on the training pen for 8 hours, going through the whole town again to do groceries before heading home, eating, sleeping, then do it again tomorrow

[proud vale]

Here's a question, what emoji do the nitro boosters get

[serene chasm]

I assume he just fell off it. Between working full time on HK and SS and very likely all the people he knew there leaving as well. There was no reason for him to post there anymore. Ive had it happen to me when the forum I used visit changed and everyone started to leave. Its hard to find somewhere on the internet where you feel like you are with a group of friends

[still owl]

rancid egg

[serene chasm]

Plum

[cerulean sable]

i remember i was so stressed out after winning a 1v4 (with tons of save scum added) to the point that i didnt realize the last guy was trying to surrender to me, but my IRL hand was shaking so much i just instinctively whacked him with my sword till he died out of fear of redoing that section

[proud vale]

yeah for sure Curly, and I think with the added spotlight from HK he probably keeps those things to private chats now

[still owl]

tis a shame

[cerulean sable]

didnt they say they also have little free time at this point

[still owl]

yeah they rarely play any games from the sound of things

[cerulean sable]

like at most according to ari he was able to finish the entire yakuza series in a span of months

[still owl]

but who knows, maybe TC are REALLY bad at games, and cover up their slow grind with "oh yeah we work a lot"
truthfully they're in the office just playin other games. William did post a screenshot from a game on his twitter not too long ago, so maybe he was playing that recently?

[cerulean sable]

and one of the final fantasy games too with detailed food, (FF15 i think?)

he once commented out that the food was unnecessarily detailed, but they still added it anyway. which led him to say something around the lines of "despite it being unnecessary, they still added it anyway, and i loved it. its the 'little things' you though couldnt matter that actually adds up a lot in the end"

[cerulean sable]

did he

most of the games he plays are those weird ms paint art stuff that he does to support other devs it seems

[still owl]

William has a very interesting taste

[cerulean sable]

i mean

comes from the guy that made Mummy vs Ugly Jesus

[copper knot]

truly wonderful

[serene chasm]

MvsUJ 2 when!?

[still owl]

I guess you wouldn't expect anything less from him

[copper knot]

cant wait for hollow knight: the dating simulator by wilbo

[proud vale]

Weirdest goddamn looking game

[copper knot]

you know what fuck it if nobody wants to make a hollow knight dating simulator
ill do it myself

[blazing geyser]

Dating sim is just Rad feeding into thk's delusions with hot hallownest bugs to infect it

[serene chasm]

#sk-discussion message

[copper knot]

well theres a problem with that image
its not real

[tropic dawn]

I wonder if we'll have anything like the colosseum of fools in Silksong; The arena at about 0:56 in the reveal trailer definitely looks like possibly something.

[serene chasm]

Its possible. I really like the colosseum so I wouldnt mind

[blazing geyser]

The one with Carmelita? Eh, X to doubt.

Oh wait like the colo not linked to the colo, me dum

Yeah there'll probs be some kinda colo "analog" or smth

[midnight radish]

William follows tony zaret so he’s automatically the best game developer out there

[blazing geyser]

Is analog even the right term fuck my brain is mush rn

[tropic dawn]

Colosseum was meant to have proper bosses, so I can see them actually doing that here.

[tropic dawn]

It is.

[serene chasm]

God Tamer: Am I a joke to you?

[tropic dawn]

I haven't gotten to God Tamer yet.

[opaque sigil]

Analogue

[proud vale]

They said there probably won't be a boss rush but instead I think they'll just have the ability to re-fight maybe some not all bosses

[tropic dawn]

(And here I am talking like some sort of HK expert)

[proud vale]

But who knows, maybe there's no lore reason for it

[still owl]

well now that I think of it, god tamer technically only has 3 moves, so it's better classified under miniboss?

[tropic dawn]

That's the Pantheons, not Colosseum.

[opaque sigil]

It's in the pantheons, it's a boss

[still owl]

so does Uumuu actually lol

yeah well, MMC is also in the pantheon, the bar is set low

[midnight radish]

I mean to be fair there aren’t many things you could call “minibosses” in hk

[opaque sigil]

Shrumal ogres and elder baldurs, kind of

[lean jacinth]

Soul Warrior

[tropic dawn]

And those giant bugs in the crossroads with their giant clubs.

[midnight radish]

I suppose but they’re pretty few and far between

[lean jacinth]

I would call Vengfly King a miniboss

[umbral blaze]

I want to commit silksong

[lean jacinth]

Same

[heavy magnet]

first degree silksong

[lean jacinth]

Or maybe not

[heavy magnet]

with malice aforethought

[lean jacinth]

I really want to play Silksong

[umbral blaze]

You will,when your a grandpa

[heavy magnet]

early onset silksong

[tropic dawn]

I think that strong enemies with large health pools and more than one attack but no proper phases qualify as minibosses.

[umbral blaze]

I would say broodling mawlek is a mini boss idk how to spell it

[tropic dawn]

Oh, except that would make the Flukemarm a miniboss.

[opaque sigil]

At some point the distinction between boss and miniboss becomes arbitrary. imo if you want an objective measure, just go by what's in the pantheons

And besides, no point in struggling to make a definition when the game hands you one on a silver platter

[mystic pewter]

so you're saying hornet, broken vessel, uumuu and more are minibosses

[serene chasm]

everyone is a miniboss

HK has no bosses

[heavy magnet]

the idea of minibosses comes from games with levels that had dedicated end bosses, where you sometimes had to fight a secondary boss mid-way through
HK doesn't have those really, it's all bosses

[mystic pewter]

why do the roles have emojis now

[opaque sigil]

bc it's a thing

[mystic pewter]

🍋 admins

[umbral blaze]

WHO WANTS TO COMMIT SILKSONG

[opaque sigil]

Define "commit silksong"

[tidal prawn]

Aye

[serene chasm]

Be Gay, Do Silksong

[tidal prawn]

Hey Curly. Haven't seen u in a bit

[serene chasm]

Thats because you havent been here for a bit

[umbral blaze]

Silksong is gay

Every hk fans is gay when silksong releases

[opaque sigil]

More wholesome gay bugs in SS would be great

[tidal prawn]

It'd be interesting if they added more relationships into SS

[opaque sigil]

Always down for some wholesome gay bugs

[umbral blaze]

I mean I don’t think hornet will really have a relationship whit that white girl

She just does the flirting

[serene chasm]

Also some non binary bugs that arent vessels please

[tidal prawn]

The Grimm beasts were non binary if I remember right

[fiery coral]

there's zero chance

[opaque sigil]

Not saying Hornet/Lace, just some wholesome gay bugs

[tidal prawn]

Were there any in HK?

[umbral blaze]

I want to know if hornet says something after lace flirts

[opaque sigil]

Sheo/Nailsmith, Ze'mer/Traitor's Child

[umbral blaze]

Because she’s not the knight she can do speaking

[fiery coral]

Sheo and the Nailsmith, possibly and Ze'mer/the Traitor's child definitely

[opaque sigil]

Lace doesn't flirt tho

[fiery coral]

"Flirts"

she literally wants to kill her

[umbral blaze]

That’s called being at tsundere

[olive bobcat]

No, no I don't think so

[serene chasm]

Im going to kill you Unique!

[fiery coral]

is this an anime thing

[opaque sigil]

[fiery coral]

sounds like an anime thing

[tidal prawn]

@fiery coral is ur PFP zote Nail Masters?

[umbral blaze]

Y e s

[fiery coral]

🏃‍♂️

[fiery coral]

Indeed

[umbral blaze]

The ultimate zote

[serene chasm]

No dont run. Im flirting

[fiery coral]

[umbral blaze]

Don’t run they’re being gay

[wooden sorrel]

How close is the server from running out of emoji space

[olive bobcat]

fake

[wooden sorrel]

Cause when Silksong is out there will be an influx of new characters and concepts to make emojis of

[fiery coral]

Got a lot of Nitro ones left

[tidal prawn]

That is rly cool

[fiery coral]

Yeah there'll be some cleaning up to do

[midnight radish]

[opaque sigil]

Server already has a ton of ss emotes

[umbral blaze]

Who will like to just trow ennemies in the lava

[wooden sorrel]

It would be cool if there was an emoji tournament/poll to see the least and most used

[midnight radish]

You know, considering that deep docks in the e3 demo seemed to be a placeholder, do you think the lace fight will be in a different location? Like not directly outside the dock key lock?

[umbral blaze]

It’s a demo

[midnight radish]

I uh, yeah? That’s what I’m saying

[umbral blaze]

Of course not

[opaque sigil]

I mean the arena was the same in the trailer too

[midnight radish]

Yeah but it could be in a different location

[proud vale]

i think it's not ridiculous for that to be the first lace fight

WK ROLL IS THE NITRO EMOTE THANK YOU SIMO

[warm bone]

its not rolling

[proud vale]

perfectly balanced (even if he doesn't roll)

[serene chasm]

regular user emote when?

[proud vale]

ElderC can be your emote

[serene chasm]

ill take it

[opaque sigil]

should be the regular user emote

[wooden sorrel]

[midnight radish]

ElderC is my favorite emote

It just has an energy that is applicable to nearly every situation

[olive bobcat]

Nothing is better

[opaque sigil]

can be attached to basically any message

[warm bone]

I agree

[proud vale]

Zote is highly universal but ElderC is hyper cursed

[obsidian juniper]

Hi everyone
How are you all?

[proud vale]

Hey Igna!

[obsidian juniper]

I never thought about what my favorite emote Is

[proud vale]

I also like

[obsidian juniper]

Now that i think about it Is zote with Orange eyes available to normal users?i like it

[tropic dawn]

Hmm, yeah, no.

[opaque sigil]

That was Fervant's point, the criteria didn't make sense since they rendered those examples minibosses

[tropic dawn]

I understand that.

[proud vale]

[warm bone]

the only real bosses are full screen title bosses, obviously

[obsidian juniper]

It doesnt leaves me use it f

[opaque sigil]

It isn't from this server

[dusty kettle]

yo

[shell yacht]

yeah we are never gonna have 100 zote emotes

[chilly nexus]

The emote next to the online people should be one of or

[nimble pebble]

What's up Orange

[umbral blaze]

How about death

How does that sound to you people

[fleet temple]

eh, maybe later

[umbral blaze]

You have no choice

Death is the only option

[fleet temple]

I'll do it l a t e r

[untold inlet]

zote in ten sex

[upper oasis]

What

[nimble pebble]

It's Zote Intense X

[upper oasis]

Ok

[trim estuary]

zote inten s-

Oh

Someone already made the joke

[iron spear]

[fleet temple]

our mate has arrived

[iron spear]

@charred pulsar where's my icon

[cerulean sable]

you literally have one dungo

[iron spear]

Oh I'm on mobile

Can't see SHIT

[cerulean sable]

good mobile users dont deserve anything

[fleet temple]

graig has a phone confirmed

[midnight radish]

This is deep silksong lore, like Katie and fleas

[obsidian juniper]

[cerulean sable]

yeah you better

[iron spear]

Sad Mobile noises

Oh well at least we have the superior gaming platform

[obsidian juniper]

The worst thing Is i have a PC,i just use phone because of the commodity

[obsidian juniper]

Candy crush>silksong

[shell yacht]

literally no pc and i see them all

[chilly nexus]

At least mobile users still get a discord app. I use discord in my browser

[trim estuary]

[shell yacht]

.

[obsidian juniper]

Why Is that a bad thing?arent the PC and app versión the same?

[chilly nexus]

I'm just memeing

[obsidian juniper]

Ah,ok

[chilly nexus]

was gonna use the zote emote but i like fleacry too much

[trim estuary]

No the iOS app is 18+ despite blocking NSFW

[tight linden]

hey slksongers

[obsidian juniper]

Wait really?

[obsidian juniper]

Wait Is it +18 in play store too?

No its just T

Nvm

[serene chasm]

Yup. You cant use discord if you are under 18

[obsidian juniper]

Oh no discord Is trying to kill me hel-

[trim estuary]

Uh oh

[charred pulsar]

So am I. Update ya app old mate

[serene chasm]

Graig is old and doesnt understand technology

[charred pulsar]

Too busy tending to his garden

[chilly nexus]

I recently planted cinnamon sticks in my garden to keep pests away

and actual plants of lavender and peppermint

i hate bugs

[serene chasm]

For a second there I thought Cinnamon sticks grew in a bush or something

[chilly nexus]

na i just stuck em in the ground like stakes :p

[serene chasm]

cool. I wish I had room to garden.

[chilly nexus]

my garden is my window sill

i just do it to repel bugs

legit was gonna not play hollowknight cuz it was advertised as a bug game :p

[serene chasm]

le gasp

[obsidian juniper]

You have a garden?nice
What do you grow?

[chilly nexus]

lavender and peppermint

[cerulean sable]

such a pretty house and such a
pretty garden 😔

[obsidian juniper]

Nice

[serene chasm]

Bet your home smells lovely

[elfin swift]

growing a rich and healthy bed of human hair on my head

[chilly nexus]

same via the rosemary i'm growing

[chilly nexus]

anything to keep the bugs at bay

[elfin swift]

jacoby have u considered that you planting all these anti-bug plants is what's preventing silksong's release

[serene chasm]

post garden pics

[chilly nexus]

omg nooooo

[serene chasm]

Mystery solved guys. SS will be out when Dr. Jacoby destroys his garden

[serene patrol]

No news tomorrow but today for sure

[slow heart]

Just wondering, what do you have against bugs Jacoby?

[serene patrol]

[chilly nexus]

as a child, nothing. I used to think they were cute and even touch them and intentionally read books featuring pictures of venemous insects. For some reason, around the age of 9 or so... ~the fire nation attacked~ everything changed.

[obsidian juniper]

You played Fallout 76

[chilly nexus]

the only bugs I like now are the spiders that build a tiny little web against your floorboard and are just always there, on their little web, eating the other insects for you. They never betray you those ones

[slow heart]

I still don’t really understand.

[serene chasm]

spiders are awesome

[chilly nexus]

the spiders that actively hunt I cannot do

if you know your place is your web, only then can we hang

[serene chasm]

But jumpers are the best

[slow heart]

But why?

[tawdry valley]

Rip; guess you aren’t going to be doing any hunt quests in SS

[chilly nexus]

i think i became mentally ill or smthn

it's probably a type of ocd, not being able to keep tabs on bugs and their intentions freaking you out

that's why the spider web sitters are ok. i always know where they are, what their intentions are, etc

[serene chasm]

bugs have simple intentions. Eat and Mate. Except yellow jackets. Their intentions are fucking everything up

[chilly nexus]

oo yes, I was trapped in a garage with yellow jackets and hornets once. the hornets literally sat on every doorknob and garage door opener while the yellow jackets flew around. i was v young

[slow heart]

Yellow Jackets realized what’s the point of mating when you could be eating and feeding those mate. We fear them because they dare raise a single leg in leveling the playing field.

[serene chasm]

Bees are the best though. Always say Hi to your local bees

[chilly nexus]

bees i am still fearful of but i do like them

I plant some native wildflowers for them in misc areas

[olive bobcat]

My physics teacher is a beekeeper

[slow heart]

Honeybees can die in a hole.

[serene chasm]

hey! honeybees are extremely important to the ecosystem and agriculture in general. Without them you wouldnt have half the food you have now

Also bumblebees

[fiery coral]

[slow heart]

Hey! The only reason honeybees are important to the ecosystem is because they killed off the things that use to be important! Bumble bees (which are really cool!) are doing worse than ever because of honey bees! Some are even endangered!

[chilly nexus]

If I have to abandon my picnic fruits because of a bee coming too close to me, I'm cool with that. If I abandon it for any other bug... no

[cunning geode]

Pretty sure honeybees have not proven very negative to bumble bees

in terms of the honeybees themselves

[serene chasm]

Honeybee hive they found in a tree at one of my jobsites

[slow heart]

Actually they have! One such study: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13592-013-0265-y Another: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41271-5

The problem is that it is hard to study the effects of honeybees because of how invasive they are!

[cunning geode]

Fascinating

[obsidian juniper]

That Is impressing
I would died if i was near that hive,im super afraid of bees and wasps

[serene chasm]

bees are super chill so I wasnt too worried be near them

if it was wasps I would be back with a can of raid

[cunning geode]

Wasps learn to recognize specific people

they aren’t territorial for shits and giggles

[obsidian juniper]

I know theres a difference but both scare me because they can sting and i cannot kill them quick like with spiders

[serene chasm]

Thats why you leave no survivors

[chilly nexus]

carpenter bees will aggressively hover in front of your face but that's about it ye

[slow heart]

Yes! In fact, wasps kept in captivity, can recognize who gives them food and will begin to trust them.

[chilly nexus]

like imagine a bully in an ape stance squaring off against you like: "you want some of this?' "huh? "huh!" but it's a bee

[fiery coral]

floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee

[cunning geode]

I mean
Would you instinctively give a tiger the same berth as a wasp?

The wasp doesn’t care that’s it so much smaller than you

[slow heart]

Fun fact: Although female carpenter bees are quite docile, the males are not, which isn’t a lot to worry about when considering the males lack stingers.

[serene chasm]

I bet Trobbio would describe himself as so. And if couldnt be further from the truth

[proud vale]

I wonder if trobbio is considered 'magical'

[obsidian juniper]

Who Is trobbio?

[serene chasm]

[fiery coral]

two watermelon slices

[serene chasm]

and an onion

[slow heart]

Also some pink feathers.

[proud vale]

with a slice of cheese

[obsidian juniper]

Oh that dude

Tomorrow i Will try to see all ss content so i understand this chat references

[proud vale]

Could always remain blind if you want

[obsidian juniper]

Its also an option
But im kinda subconcius about dont understanding about silksong and TC

[elfin swift]

do you think bees can feel love

[obsidian juniper]

Idk,bees doesnt seem like the most loving thing tbh
The question Is how smart something needs to be to feel love?

[serene chasm]

what is love?

[obsidian juniper]

Baby dont hurt me
Dont hurt me
No more

[agile kelp]

why does everyone say reddit is bad? I just got it yesterday snd the community seems to be very friendly

[fiery coral]

it has its good bits

it has its bad bits

just like every platform, I suppose

[obsidian juniper]

I suppose that the bad bits must be really bad because of the echo chamber

[agile kelp]

echo chamber?

[obsidian juniper]

Like,the way reddit Is build comments that are downvoted arent readable/almost never get read because of being below,so it essencially wash out comments that arent part of the main ideas of a sub

[chilly nexus]

the best side of reddit is the bisexual side

[obsidian juniper]

I imagine that makes bad bits get badder over time since theres never contrarians points of view to the mayority

[proud vale]

Yeah I wish comments weren't filtered that way but it's kind of the best way to do it

[late yacht]

I dislike reddit because it all starts to be the same after a while. Plus most of the stuff is really biased

[proud vale]

I don't use reddit that often anyway and even then barely read the comments

[tawdry valley]

Google is better for finding things on Reddit than Reddit is.

[agile kelp]

all i see in reddit is a bunch of confused or curious people on reddit

[tawdry valley]

Also Reddit has sort of devolved into a circlejerk (like many online communities at this point)

[elfin swift]

the way downvotes bury contrarian comments can sometimes be useful for filtering out pointless drama and trolls. the echo chamber effect is only really bad for subreddits that're nominally oriented around discussion like subs for specific pieces of media

[tawdry valley]

You’re better off using a large multitude of websites rather than just one.

[elfin swift]

but the downvote-burying can be good for like tightly moderated subreddits where echo chamber effect doesn't really impact the community, like askhistorians, where you do want 'wrong' comments removed, or picture sharing subs like all the nature pic ones, where there isn't really discussion to be echo chambered

[tawdry valley]

Not echo chamber, circle jerk.
Crass term, but it’s defined as a community composed of predominantly and congratulatory like minded people

[elfin swift]

oh yeah that's pretty unbearable

[agile kelp]

huh, so reddits downvote system screwed itself?

[tawdry valley]

Yes and no? Partially the moderation and subreddit system did, but they’re also sort of integral to the site

That sort of issue is an issue with all online communities, period.

[agile kelp]

reddit is a lot like tumblr but there are people

[tawdry valley]

In the case of political spectrums, people don’t often discuss politics with people who oppose their policy or ideology. People of the same ideology discuss other ideologies, and build totem poles to burn together.

[obsidian juniper]

Does Tumblr has a Lot of bots or something?

[agile kelp]

no i meant the format

[tawdry valley]

Which is probably the worst symptom of bipartisan politics, but that’s just one example of a uniform discussion environment being uniform and unproductive.

[obsidian juniper]

In what sense?i dont get it

[tawdry valley]

I mean, I’m not bitching about it. This is just a system/phenomenon that negatively impacts online communities, one of which being Reddit.

[elfin swift]

oh i didn't aim this at anyone here in particular i just thought this Tumblr Appreciating Reddit post was funny

[tawdry valley]

Back to what I was saying, you can bypass this trap by getting your news and discussion environments from many sources, along many spectrums

[agile kelp]

idk something about reddit reminds me of tumblr, maybe its the lines they put between messages to show its replying to the message above it

[elfin swift]

tumblr is like the last fucking bastion of social media sites that don't sort by algorithm and just give you posts in chronological order

[tawdry valley]

I don’t use tumblr, but I haven’t heard much good about it so I guess that’s interesting

[obsidian juniper]

I see

[agile kelp]

i had tumblr for a ashort time and didnt really see anything and just deleted it because at the time i was running out of dpace

[elfin swift]

so, before tumblr's ecosystem collapse with the porn ban its structure had always been one of the best one for artists and creatives to spread work and get noticed and build followings. twitter and instagram require so much learning the algorithm and posts either flare immediately or get immediately lost. tumblr actually gave posts a kind of longevity and ability to circulate that other social media sites just don't do

it's honestly a real shame artists don't have that anymore

[tawdry valley]

I was under the impression that tumblr was essentially a blogging site

[elfin swift]

kind of, your main interaction with it though is as a feed of posts, like what you'd have on insta or twitter

[agile kelp]

people on tumblr dont know how to count if i remember correctly

[dusty kettle]

"Rock With You" by Michael Jackson starts playing

[elfin swift]

but again, chronological order, no algorithm sorting things by what it thinks you want to see, and the tag system lets posts circulate for a lot longer

i still get notes from an old adventure zone drawing i did like six whole ass years ago, posts get MILEAGE on there

[tawdry valley]

That’s cool and all, but the userbase nearly/basically evaporated with the elimination of pornographic content (I don’t want to tiptoe on the NSFW rule too much) which doesn’t give me much hope for the system as it was operating, or at least the community

But yeah, mileage on content is basically novel at this point

[elfin swift]

i don't know if that has anything to do with the system or community as much as grievous mismanagement of the site

(if you see what i did there)

(grievous mismanagement)

[tawdry valley]

Well then I wouldn’t know; again, I never used tumbler (i saw)

[agile kelp]

i remember when a geographical post was marked as NSFW, if they removed the bot i think the website could somehow be revived

[elfin swift]

god no don't revive it

[tawdry valley]

Like people wouldn’t spam NSFW upon removal

[elfin swift]

i don't want fuckin twitter users coming back here. tumblr is a blissful den of shitposts and low-drama social media

[tawdry valley]

Reddit has that going for it; moderation of batches of communities by people

But then there’s also edge cases where a moderator will have literally complete control over a subreddit community

And start doing things amongst their individual interests, rather than the community

The last active adventure time mod (cause the show ended) changed the banner to this; and pinned a bunch of posts regarding Palestinian aid efforts.

[elfin swift]

so, for another structural difference between reddit and tumblr, in tumblr whatever circles you go in are much more insular, it's just people you follow and tags you follow, and discussion doesn't really happen except as reblog chains in individual posts. you're not going to run into people outside your circles much, and people aren't going to accidentally stumble onto you the way it might happen on reddit if a post reaches r/all, or the way subreddits are often open to anyone who clicks the link and can then see all the posts of a given community centralized in a single subreddit

[tawdry valley]

Independent of political opinion (I’m not talking about Palestine here.)
Time and place for stuff, and this was a blatant misuse of moderation power

[fiery coral]

[tawdry valley]

I know, I know, thin ice

[cerulean sable]

something something

"YOU SHOULD PLAY HOLLOW KNIGHT ITS REALLY GOOD IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND"
"I didnt really like it"
"LOL Casual much?? maybe its just not a game for you?? ever thought of that???? fucking git gud lmao"
"I dont understand why would people hate on the Hollow Knight fandom :("

[agile kelp]

honestly reddit seems like the place i would get lost and very confused

[fiery coral]

no no not you, it was aimed at the mod who did it

[tawdry valley]

There are some hilarious subreddits to be fair, and most of those make fun of other subreddits

[cerulean sable]

i mean yeah i browse it

but like, i kinda get irked when a single thing takes over the current meta throughout every sub

[tawdry valley]

There’s one called r/tomorrow that’s composed and based entirely on making fun of the Nintendo subreddit.

It’s beating a dead horse at this point, but it’s still funny

[cerulean sable]

right now the only dominant is the Deltarune ||CHRIS WHERE THE FUCK ARE WE|| meme and like, i already tired of seeing different versions of it in different subs

[elfin swift]

gaming circlejerk gave us this

high quality memes honestly, low key favorite subreddit

[tawdry valley]

Undertale memes are predominantly bad. I’m saying it

[cerulean sable]

it was made to be memeable and subs are eating it up as expected

[cunning geode]

Ironic to see this channel using the term “circlejerk” to describe other communities

[tawdry valley]

2016 meme culture was retexturing pre-existing memes with sans and papyrus

[fiery coral]

I also see something about bananas and potassium everywhere for some reason

[tawdry valley]

I used it to define all/most online communities, so I’m self aware and stupid

[cerulean sable]

im just waiting for Deltarune blow over ngl

[elfin swift]

i do unironically love this one though https://twitter.com/pcktknife/status/1442353288221839366?s=21

kae 💌🖋 workin on comms (@pcktknife)

wanted to jump on the trend sorry lmao

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[cerulean sable]

i dont hate it but im just tired of seeing it everywhere

[tawdry valley]

Basically.

[elfin swift]

just because deltarune feels very night in the woodsish to me, emotionally and thematically, so seein this was a lot of fun

[cunning geode]

Man I never finished night in the woods

maybe someday

[tawdry valley]

See, now that’s a good one because there’s effort and originality behind it. Now look at the other 9k posts that come after and before it

[serene chasm]

Love nitw

[elfin swift]

it's about autumn again, just the right time of year for a replay

[agile kelp]

this fits surprisingly well with NITW

[serene chasm]

Fills me with dolphins and eels

[tawdry valley]

The worst thing though is animatics.

[agile kelp]

i suggest you just pick it back up and try to replay it twice, its really heart touching and things escalate at near the end of harfest

[tawdry valley]

Because those are either hideous copy pasted renditions of audio or somewhat decent animation, but done several times on the same loop of audio

[elfin swift]

deltarune has such huge nitw vibes honestly. like, the feeling of disconnect from your life and from your loved ones, even in their company, feeling out of place in your hometown, the extremely autumny time period

[agile kelp]

EVERY FANDOM HAS ATLEAST ONE VERSION OF THIS AND A JHON MULANEY SKIT WHY

[tawdry valley]

Because mainstream fandoms are aids.

[elfin swift]

that one italian dude ushered it in with the dark souls version

[fiery coral]

WHY ARE YOU SEARCHING FOR THE SUN IN THE ABYSS

[fiery coral]

to be fair that one was very funny

[agile kelp]

wait how do you make a dark souls animatic about soup

[fiery coral]

it was about Solaire and the Sun instead

[elfin swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HPkXHxS_s

it's the only good one, because it's in italian

[tawdry valley]

Undertale kickstarted this phenomenon though, so I’m still taking the piss on that portion of the fandom

[agile kelp]

?

[elfin swift]

dream smp is weird cause it feels so insulated. weird little floating island of fandom that's enormous within itself but utterly unknown and impenetrable to people outside it

[tawdry valley]

Mainstream fandoms ever sisnce 2016 regurgitate content as many times over as possible, often with edited audio(music) or animated/content

People like the 5% of high effort content, and then create 95% low effort content.

[elfin swift]

sometimes you need low effort shitposts for the soul

[tawdry valley]

This would be fine if the content was original, because then it’s an artist trying to learn

[agile kelp]

what even is dream smp ever since sadist animated it its been getting more popular

[tawdry valley]

Server with new age minecraft youtubers

But everyone roleplays extended bits to farm twitch subs

[proud vale]

I'll eventually play deltarune but once all the chapters are out first

[agile kelp]

uh ok

[tawdry valley]

I wanted to do that too, but I’m worried I’ll have no choice at this point if I wanna stay clean

[agile kelp]

this dream smp stuff seems confusing

[tawdry valley]

You tubers play minecraft on stream

[cunning geode]

I recommend staying out of the dream smp stuff

[tawdry valley]

Yes

Like much of the undertale fandom

[cunning geode]

I would like to think dream is worse

[agile kelp]

i thought it surrounded the mc cheating speedrunner dream, basically youtuber propaganda

[cunning geode]

it does

[tawdry valley]

Dream fandom revolves around Twitter. It is infinitely worse.

[elfin swift]

yeah i would say dream fandom is a lot of worse because of how young an audience it targets and the heavy parasocial vibes

[cunning geode]

and like… Toby Fox isn’t anywhere close to being the asshole dream is

ah well

[tawdry valley]

People who over-obsess over YouTube personalities are significantly worse, but not too different, than people who over-obsess over media or media genres

[mystic pewter]

oh god the 3d versions of the undertale characters

[cunning geode]

by next year we’ll have a new community around the Wilbo SMP

[agile kelp]

dream is an asshole? i dont know much about the guy besides hes involved with a crying british adopted kid and a guy whos a king pig i think

[mystic pewter]

whats that

[agile kelp]

king pigs name is technoblade and crying british kids name is tom sorry i forgot

[fiery coral]

Wilbo

[agile kelp]

william?

[mystic pewter]

he's adopted? the more you know ✨

[tawdry valley]

Dream is an extremely good minecraft player/runner with a rabid fan base that he’s rather conveniently negligent about.

But if SS-disc begins to discuss dream-drama, I’m out

[elfin swift]

you can probably find some concise writeups on r/hobbydrama

[fiery coral]

dream drama is the worst

just look at Radiance

[agile kelp]

anydream

[cunning geode]

Hornet and Lace argue over who is the best minecrafter in the dream smp

[mystic pewter]

you've done it
you've made the best hk joke of all time.
nobody tell #hk-meme

[tawdry valley]

I’ll kill you and then myself

[fiery coral]

[elfin swift]

hornet and lace as toxic gamer girls with competing twitch streams

[cunning geode]

fortnite vs pubg

No, better yet:
Dota 2 vs LoL

[agile kelp]

why did you enter the idea of pokimane as hornet in my head

[elfin swift]

the post-silksong plans for tc is to go entirely into vtuber streaming

[mystic pewter]

lace would be pokimane imo I've never watched pokimane I just get that vibe

[tawdry valley]

Dunkey made a pretty good video on that matter

[cunning geode]

Dunkey, yeah, but I wanna watch hornet and lace debate it

With swords

[agile kelp]

i thought fortnite was just pubg but with default dancing i didnt realise theres a difference

[mystic pewter]

I want hornet and lace to be animated over all kinds of debates, each with equally bad takes

[cunning geode]

remake that game theory tf2 vs overwatch vid with Hollow Knight characters

Go

While I sleep

[agile kelp]

theres one about hornet arguing with quirrel if the ocean is soup or something

[still owl]

Done but you don’t get to see or know about the final product

[cunning geode]

I’m glad anyways

[mystic pewter]

do I?

[still owl]

But peace wombat

[cunning geode]

gn

[fiery coral]

goodknight Wombat sleep well

[tawdry valley]

TF2 vs overwatch but TF2 characters always win despite being ridiculously outmatched at every turn due to cartoon logic and mechanics

Oh hey you all added an orange to the mod role

[fiery coral]

yeah

[tawdry valley]

Excellent work there

[still owl]

That just temporary?

[fiery coral]

nah it's a role icon

doubt it's temporary

[obsidian juniper]

Goodnight wombat

[still owl]

Interesting choice

[proud vale]

bruh how rough is it that smash ultimate is releasing the final character of the game on the very day that nick brawl launches

[tawdry valley]

Sunny D joke

[obsidian juniper]

I Am also going to sleep
Goodknight everyone

[proud vale]

They full did that on purpose too

[tawdry valley]

If spongebob gets into smash I’m losing it

Like I’m outright just becoming feral

[agile kelp]

what would squidward look like in smash

[tawdry valley]

Like squidward

[still owl]

DDX is gonna go on another jedi killing spree

[proud vale]

My final hopes would only be the Knight, Waluigi, or just someone that makes the community actually pog and not hate nintendo more than they already do

[fiery coral]

like a fish incompetently flopping about when out of water

[still owl]

Don’t get your hopes up heh

We’ve already got the best I think

[proud vale]

Yeah I think it's gonna be some lame ass JRPG character no one has heard of

[tawdry valley]

I need to make a graph that rates potential smash characters by how funny, cool, stupid, or upsetting their addition would be

[proud vale]

I think Waluigi would truly be the best way to cap off the game though

[still owl]

But on the plus side
No more twitter comments about people saying “where’s the smash?”

[proud vale]

People literally asked for him since the game launched

[glossy gazelle]

I still doubt Waluigi, and Fans have no impact on whether a character is chosen

[tawdry valley]

He probably won’t get in cause *sakurai has negative opinions on the matter

[still owl]

That and assist trophy

[agile kelp]

why is it that wario, mario and luigi are in smash but waluigi is left out?

even peach is there

[tawdry valley]

Like, Waluigi was on the table; but they decided against it finally because samurai got sick of people yelling about it

[proud vale]

Yeah Nintendo really doesn't care what fans think tbh, at least the smash devs

[still owl]

Partially for the best

[tawdry valley]

No this is mostly a sakurai thing, and he gets a pretty big say on the matter

For obvious reasons

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah the smash devs usually choose based on their own criteria not fan input

[proud vale]

Oh yeah, I think Sakurai will pick a decent character for the finale but I just hope it makes a big impression and isn't just meh

[tawdry valley]

Nintendo usually comes with suggestions or ideas for additions, and he says “nah” or “maybe” or “not possible” etc

[proud vale]

"Chris pratt for smash!"

[fiery coral]

he's so cool

[glossy gazelle]

It’s a DLC character, it’s probably gonna make a good impression

[proud vale]

Also if Waluigi isn't in the mario movie I think people will riot

[tawdry valley]

Funniest character to add: saitama
Worst character to add: anything kingdom hearts or Disney.
Best character to add: Master chief
Coolest character to add: Doomguy

[still owl]

top pick: hornet

[agile kelp]

saitama would just one shot everyone

[proud vale]

Doomguy is a based pick, Knight would be my number 1 pick though, they deserve it

[tawdry valley]

Saitama is a near impossibility but it would be so fucking funny

[still owl]

Dante

[tawdry valley]

You can’t say “impossible” by the way.

[proud vale]

Dante deconfirmed

[agile kelp]

why is no one saying zote for smash?

[tawdry valley]

If Steve and piranha plant got in, anyone can

[chilly nexus]

mariah carey assist trophy

[still owl]

But on a slightly different note: hornet vs the knight?

[proud vale]

if they're going to put someone in from the series, it's gonna be the frontrunner, not goddamn zote

[tawdry valley]

They made Jack black bowser. You do not toe on the absurd

[cerulean sable]

honestly having the knight or hornet as echo fighters is good enough

wii fighters i mean

[chilly nexus]

tbh that was my favourite and most sensicle casting :p

[proud vale]

The knight, as silksong hasn't come out yet (and Hornet's kit could be too much of a spoiler for the game? idk)

[tawdry valley]

Shovel knight got an assist trophy, if HK doesn’t get one, it’s fine, but if HK gets a character but not Shovel knight? I’d be fucking sad

[still owl]

Let’s say like optimal choice in your opinion then

[agile kelp]

hornet would win if its 2 people playing, the knight would crush hornet if we speak canonically since we also need to include skill

[proud vale]

wii?

[still owl]

Tbh I wouldn’t mind King Knight getting the last pick. Could have a very fun move set

[cerulean sable]

i think overally shovel knight is way more "influencial" in a way but the fact that it only got in as a skin makes me think HK isnt gonna stretch that far anyway

i dont play smash so i dont remember the naming jack shit

[proud vale]

I think they only got a skin because rivals got him as an actual character?

[still owl]

Just remember Cupheads costume

[agile kelp]

cuphead is in smash?

[proud vale]

I can't wait for the next switch model though... Hopefully BOTW2 will be playable in 120hz or something

[chilly nexus]

nintendo would never :p

[still owl]

I’m waiting for a beefier switch at this point. Constant 60 fps gameplay would be amazing for the first party titles

[proud vale]

"more than 60hz? wtf you need more than 60 for?"

[agile kelp]

should i get a nintendo switch?

[still owl]

Nah

[proud vale]

You should but be ready to sell it next year or the year after

[mystic pewter]

yes so you can buy metroid dread and support a fantastic franchise

[still owl]

Only get it if you want to play Nintendo games
Index might be better overall if you’re looking for an alternative. Has a lot of upsides all across the board from what we know.

[proud vale]

Index?

[agile kelp]

i think ill wait after say 6 years till i get it

[still owl]

Valve index

[elfin swift]

i'm genuinely unironically rooting for impostor

[mystic pewter]

steam deck

[tawdry valley]

Funny: saitama, goku, waluigi, looney tunes characters, pheonix Wright, *toadette
Worst: anything kingdom hearts or Disney. Another final fantasy.
**Best:**Master chief, Darth Vader (lol)
Coolest Doom-guy, Kratos, Mortal combat characters

[still owl]

Oh shit wait

[proud vale]

i think you mean the steam deck sir

[still owl]

Nah nah I mean the index, the old thing of course

[proud vale]

The old thing that is also just VR

[tawdry valley]

Shovel knight has cameod in so many pieces of media it’s ridiculous

[still owl]

Shovel knight arbys god
They embrace their goofy marketing

[fleet temple]

I feel like with all the build up it's gonna be something stupid like a character from a japanese arcade series

[tawdry valley]

It’s honestly surprising they aren’t a character, but there’s always rivals of aether, which did them pretty good

[tawdry valley]

This is a Japanese company with a large Japanese audience, so keep in mind

[proud vale]

yeah I feel like it's going to be someone shit but whatever, I just wanna play local again'

[fleet temple]

I know, I'm not saying that it is bad but for THE FINAL smash character you gotta go out with a bang

[still owl]

Fair, but I can still be disappointed! My fault though

[tawdry valley]

But i think another final fantasy character would literally set the world ablaze

[radiant wraith]

I think Smash needs some more Fire Emblem

[cerulean sable]

i dont have to care anyway because i hate smash and smash fans 😎

[still owl]

Kefka for smash

[fleet temple]

I'm with the second half of that

[tawdry valley]

This is fine, because nobody hates smash or smash players more than smash players

[subtle echo]

Finished Outer Wilds. Back to Hollow Knight.

[cerulean sable]

nah smash fans hate fireemblem more than smash, but not as much

[proud vale]

The knight would be a cool edition to smash but have we considered The Hollow Knight?

[carmine coral]

[fleet temple]

"ugh another anime sword fighter why can't they add sora instead"

[proud vale]

Could be a cooler pick

[tawdry valley]

Ridley on crack

[proud vale]

omg that Tom gif wtf

[subtle echo]

Noice.

[cerulean sable]

sword fighter from fire emblem
"fuck off with that garbage overused anime weaboo trash"
sephiroth
"OMG SO TRUEEEEEEEEEEEE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

[subtle echo]

Never done steel soul, so this should be interesting

[carmine coral]

[elfin swift]

see sephiroth has something interesting going for him though. his sword is really stupid looking

[fleet temple]

If a hollow knight character gets announced I can't wait to see all the smash fans get pissy

[proud vale]

Hahah it's really just about the brand representation Taco, that's IT

[tawdry valley]

Same as base game, but rancid eggs are made of gold and you have prior knowledge of the map

[carmine coral]

Piranha plant is the best DLC character

[fleet temple]

"um actually, sora uses a KEYBLADE, completely different, not just another anime swordfighter"

[elfin swift]

like all these anime swordfighters are basically indistinguishable and don't stand out, but sephiroth dares to be kinda weird. kinda silly. like his sword is so long it's a parody of swords it's a joke sword

[tawdry valley]

Steel soul is boring until mantis claw, then it’s fun until all the dreamers are dead.

[radiant wraith]

They could add The Hollow Knight, it's not a sword fighter, technically speaking

[proud vale]

True, I think most people have positive feelings toward the game anyway though - and HEY it would cause more people to buy the game and get hyped for silksong

[carmine coral]

Im a piranha plant main

[tawdry valley]

I’m honestly okay with sephitoth. On top of being a villian, he’s actually dope as shit.

[proud vale]

yeah I wanted a villain for a while

[elfin swift]

sephiroth fake-out stabbing mario mario to death in his reveal trailer was so fucking funny

honestly he won a place in my heart just for that

[tawdry valley]

Better than fuckin pyra

[carmine coral]

Steve

[fleet temple]

but you know some people will go "ugh what is this indie garbage where's master chief, this isn't waluigi crash4smashcrash4smash"

[carmine coral]

Waluigi wouldnt be good in smash

[fleet temple]

The final fighter has to top steve and sephiroth

[elfin swift]

i'm telling you. impostor

[carmine coral]

probably crash

[proud vale]

Waluigi would be a sick pick, for the fans

[carmine coral]

yeah but he wouldn’t be a good character

[proud vale]

Bro if it's among us I think people will legit boycot

[carmine coral]

Waluigi has like nothing unique about him

[fleet temple]

I feel like there's probably a good reason waluigi wasn't added originally

Also sidenote, I have no idea what's with the geno people

[proud vale]

The goddamn Geno people

[agile kelp]

i say imposter would be an amazing addition, i thought it already was added

[proud vale]

It's like me asking for Dimentio honestly

[carmine coral]

Jonesy

[radiant wraith]

Pepsi Man

[proud vale]

The imposter can have a brawler skin but that's it

[elfin swift]

i genuinely think they could make really fun and creative movesets and mechanics with impostor

[fleet temple]

he's a character from an obscure rpg why do people HONESTLY think he will be a fighter, a mii costume makes sense for him

[still owl]

The chaotic side of me wants to see imposter get in just for the hardy laugh.

[elfin swift]

yeah that too

[proud vale]

It's all the pick-me's who want someone extremely niche

[agile kelp]

100%, ignore the past of amogus and its a pretty good addition and has a lot of potential

[elfin swift]

if we're gauging things purely by what reaction will produce the highest rating on a geiger counter, impostor wins hand down

[proud vale]

Among us is not a good pick, it's pretty much a dead game at this point isn't it

[carmine coral]

achongus

[still owl]

It’s all about “pretend” now

[proud vale]

Also I think that Doomguy would be a better geiger counter pick

[radiant wraith]

Juan from Guacamelee

[carmine coral]

I bet it’ll be crash

[fleet temple]

among us is a good game but now you basically have to play with your friends if you want a good game

[proud vale]

Crash would be cool but I wouldn't pog for it

[still owl]

c rash is also a good pick

[elfin swift]

interesting, i do disagree as gut instinct without giving it much thought, but why do you think doomguy would produce a net higher wave of radiation than among us bean

[radiant wraith]

Mario but the movie version

[proud vale]

Because doom is a classic game series whereas Among us was just a fad

[carmine coral]

I dont care about crash, but it seems possible and i dont know who else would be a good pick

[radiant wraith]

Think, there's already Dr Mario, why not Chris Mario Pratt?

[carmine coral]

Chris pratt for smash

[proud vale]

🐌

[radiant wraith]

So cool

[fleet temple]

I really hope crash doesn't get in because i'm so sick of people "asking"

[proud vale]

whatever lads we'll see

[agile kelp]

crash?

[fleet temple]

when's it happen again?

[carmine coral]

What day is the reveal?

[fleet temple]

yeah

[elfin swift]

when i say radiation i mean like. the most explosive online response with the most long reaching strong reactions

[carmine coral]

Sus

[elfin swift]

neither inherently good nor bad. just, radioactive

[agile kelp]

can someone tell me whos crash

[radiant wraith]

Didn't the Sans Mii skin have the most explosive reaction?

[elfin swift]

it beat brokeback mountain for best picture in what was widely regarded as one of the worst best pic wins in the last few decades

[carmine coral]

October5

[fleet temple]

oh btw message to all smash fans: please just let melee fucking die

[proud vale]

Imagine this October smash direct... The hollow knight gets announced.. end scene, Hornet's eyes in darkness followed by October 32nd

[fleet temple]

let's go

[proud vale]

And then you realise October doesn't have 32 days

[radiant wraith]

Late 21st century release date

[proud vale]

But also that's probably literally every smash/hk players wet dream

[agile kelp]

would the knight be a good character to play in smash?

[proud vale]

I kind of think the Hollow Knight would be better

But both are great

[fleet temple]

I feel like hornet would be cool but knight would make sense

[agile kelp]

i think zote is the best option

[proud vale]

[agile kelp]

imagine zote annihilating characters like kirby or sans in smash

[proud vale]

for a last character I don't think he'd work

[agile kelp]

if they added zote instead of hornet or the knight i think i would just laugh to death

[glacial hemlock]

Would Quirrel be too plain

[agile kelp]

zote and zote only

[glacial hemlock]

I guess the only special thing going for him is how the mask protects as well, as shown in the comic

[elfin swift]

hornet would make the most sense to me since she got her own game coming out soon and would be a lot more of an iconic character

like the hollow knight is honestly kind of a twist character, you really don't even realize you're not the titular hollow knight until you reach the fountain

[agile kelp]

yep

so hornet in smash?

[elfin swift]

i know it's not likely but god i hope with all my heart

[proud vale]

Hornet doesn't make sense because her game isn't actually out yet

and 100% won't be by the announcement

[elfin swift]

she is already established from hk at least

[fleet temple]

either way, I could see them coming to smash but probably not as the final character, I could see it happen in another smash game but not now

[tawdry valley]

Hornet would have the better moveset but also doesn’t exist with that moveset in videogame yet

[fleet temple]

imo the last really is gonna either be really exciting or really underwhelming

[tawdry valley]

Or funny

I repeat:

Funny: saitama, goku, waluigi, looney tunes characters, pheonix Wright, *toadette
Worst: anything kingdom hearts or Disney. Another final fantasy.
**Best:**Master chief, Darth Vader (lol)
Coolest Doom-guy, Kratos, Mortal combat characters

[fleet temple]

You should add a: cool but won't happen category

[tawdry valley]

That’s most of these

[fleet temple]

true but you forgot fire emblem for the worst category

[tawdry valley]

Also, piranha plant and Steve got in. Nothing is impossible anymore

I can’t tell the difference between FE and final fantasy.

[fleet temple]

fair enough

[agile kelp]

FE?

[tawdry valley]

Fire emblem

[agile kelp]

ooooooh

[fleet temple]

piranha plant is an existing nintendo character and Steve is from a game that EVERYONE knows so they make sense. I'm thinking more characters like.. well, the knight

[agile kelp]

i got final fantasy XV i think? im not sure which one it is but so far its pretty meh

[chrome imp]

Isn't HK insanely popular though

[tribal merlin]

depends on how you define "insanely"

[chrome imp]

I agree with that bit

[agile kelp]

i wish more people new about hk

[tawdry valley]

If tk gets into smash it’s gonna be an assist trophy or costume

[chrome imp]

I mostly mean popular enough to be a DLC character in a game

[tawdry valley]

More people know about undertake than HK. It’s not a hidden indie gem, but it hasn’t hit mainstream yet

[fleet temple]

costume seems more likely

[chrome imp]

But I'm not convinced Nintendo players would be the best audience for it...

[tawdry valley]

Okay but HK got like a couple mil copies week 1 on switch release, so idk

[chrome imp]

Oh damn, I didn't expect that

[tawdry valley]

I don’t remember the number, but it’s popular on console as well as pc

[chrome imp]

Mainstream is also subjective, so I'm not sure where to put it

[agile kelp]

if tc did a collab to raise hype like horizon forbidden west with genshin i think that would be a good choice but with a franchise smaller than genshin

[tribal merlin]

I'd say minecraft is insanely popular with like over 100 million copies, with that metric HK isn't insanely popular

[chrome imp]

I don't know a single gamer who doesn't know about Hollow Knight

[fleet temple]

I just feel like nintendo wouldn't add indie characters to smash

[fiery coral]

wasn't there something about Fall Guys once

[tribal merlin]

I know dozens

[chrome imp]

Compared to MC, definitely not

[fiery coral]

them tweeting TC about a collab or something like that

or was it fake I don't remember

[chrome imp]

That's really surprising

[tawdry valley]

Excellent addition to the list of funny characters to add: fall guy bean and Among us crewmate

[fiery coral]

there are many, ha

[agile kelp]

fall guys attempted a collab with TC?

[chrome imp]

Imagine thicc Knight

[upper oasis]

Oof

[chrome imp]

They are already made 2B INSANELY cursed in Fall Guys

Like... don't even google it

[fiery coral]

they did I believe

no idea what came of it, if anything

[warm bone]

Yes

[still owl]

Iirc they didn’t get a response

[agile kelp]

im 100% vsure fall guys would only do this in desperation or something, hollow knight is not a game suited for falling jellybean people

[tawdry valley]

PuBG sold over 70 million copies. HK sold about 2.8 million (but that’s an old and outdated statistic)

[warm bone]

5mil at least

[tawdry valley]

But yeah. Whatever you define as mainstream, HK probably isn’t in there

[still owl]

It’s hard to say how many HK sold sadly. It’s bigger than 3 or maybe 4 mil

Hard high max is like 10 mil reasonably

[chrome imp]

Popular multiplayer games sell more though. Peer pressure and wanting to play with friends on top of it already being popular is a huge factor

[fiery coral]

incredible

[tawdry valley]

Red dead got like 40 mil, assassins creed, god of war, etc
all of these titles will garner more attention at an E3 announcement than HK or even SS will/has.

[still owl]

HK avoids marketing

[tawdry valley]

The game is a hyper successful indie game; but by indie standards

It’s not unpopular, it just isn’t grossly prevalent

[chrome imp]

Those were all already existing franchises, but a lot more of a fair comparison

[coarse leaf]

The knight wouldnt be a really good bean anyways
Actually maybe they were planning to do something with husks? idk

[chrome imp]

I agree with that

[tawdry valley]

SS is also based off of an existing franshcise, but you have to remember established game titles aren’t any less of a product

[chrome imp]

The knight wouldnt be a really good bean anyways
They added freaking 2B to the game, you think they won't want to make Knight a big fat bean?

[coarse leaf]

Hollow Knight has'nt been around lots,so it doesn't carry over a big fanbase ,silksong might

[still owl]

Ehh

[tawdry valley]

Undertale

[chrome imp]

...But SS doesn't have any sales yet what

[tawdry valley]

Do you imagine SS competing with Triple A title announcements at an event like E3

[coarse leaf]

i didnt know that I dont play fall guys

[tawdry valley]

If yes, then congrats, you disagree with TCs head of marketing:
#sk-discussion message

[chrome imp]

I didn't say that. I just said it wasn't a 100% fair comparison...

[tawdry valley]

Exactly, it’s not

But they’re all videogames with characters, and Nintendo has an amount of leverage over many of them, in the event the respective companies want in.

So yes, unfair comparison, but same competition.

[agile kelp]

god i hope ss gets a shit ton of new players and people

[chrome imp]

Well said

[tawdry valley]

I kinda do and don’t

I want the game to succeed and be appreciated, but the fanbase is pretty well rounded right now

[agile kelp]

yeah thats true

[tawdry valley]

If SS does hit mainstream; lots of people would be introduced, but internet culture would get its attention drawn to it

Anything popular online becomes unpopular because of its popularity

[cerulean sable]

ehem undertale

[tawdry valley]

Undertale was not received well by all in 2016

[cerulean sable]

it kinda was, its when it hit its peak is the one people started shitting on it

[tawdry valley]

More specifically, the fandom was not

[cerulean sable]

i think tobi said in a tumblr post

[fiery coral]

tobi-wan kenobi

[still owl]

Yeah rip those 100,000 HK Reddit follower days where everyone more or less posted art and rarely anything like “who is that” with a picture of Nosk, farming up votes

[tawdry valley]

This is in reference to the fanbase, not the actual games reception

[cerulean sable]

eventually once the game was popular enough, fans were screaming about how "COULD YOU NOT PLAY THIS AMAZING GAME IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE" which ultimately ended up people hating it out of popularity, and that tobi got super stressed by this

[tawdry valley]

Undertale is literally easily the most popular indie out there

[tawdry valley]

Yeah exactly. Take this and see it in indie games like Celeste

What I’m saying is that worried this will begin to happen on SS release, if it hasn’t happened already

[cerulean sable]

were teetering to it

[tawdry valley]

HK-meme

[elfin swift]

i think as a rule people tend to exaggerate the badness of fandom spaces because the toxicity tends to be a trait of the online fandom space and not really a thing if online fandom isn't a part of your life

[cerulean sable]

ive seen people go "well ive been here and everyones super nice"

like bro have you seen it OUTSIDE the sub

[still owl]

Well, more than just that DDX

[cerulean sable]

no wait, the sub also shits on people hard for explaining why they dont like this aspect or what not of the game

usually with git gud people

i think thats where most of our negative fandom came from, the git gud peeps that arrived cuz they heard HK is hard

[bleak scarab]

Tf mods are oranges

[elfin swift]

the Gamers™️

[tawdry valley]

There are two kinds of git gud, and most of the HK-server seems to be the good kind of git-gud

As in: “you can do better, so git gud”

As opposed to “you suck, git gud”

[still owl]

Truthfully I don’t know the fandom well enough, it’s gotten so big and I mostly remain in sub servers at this point

[cerulean sable]

ive seen the latter often

usually when someone says something negative with the game

then it gets usually rebutted with "its not even the difficulty that i hate, its the runback of wasting my time" etc

[tawdry valley]

In those cases I feel like it’s just the go to buzzword

More often than not, actual criticism gets an purposefully ironic response, but those are jokes

[bleak scarab]

It's weird the hk fandom has gotten big

[still owl]

Same hatter

[bleak scarab]

im still used to people asking for games and suggesting hk and people going "lol whats that"

[agile kelp]

and its going to get bigger

[tawdry valley]

But overall, the fandom is pretty okay, albeit the younger than average parts of the audience

Blame the Nintendo switch for that one

[cerulean sable]

we did get a lot more younger playerbase since the switch personally

[still owl]

I kinda feel we come from a Bias pov. Idk about you DDX but we don’t interact with most of the community

[cerulean sable]

but thats more on exposure

[tawdry valley]

no hate to kids. If I said I wasn’t cringy as a kid I would be lying

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/4VxNGGfI2cs?t=296 i feel them tho

[still owl]

All adults

[bleak scarab]

Thinking of my younger self keeps me up at night

[still owl]

Good, you’ve grown

[tawdry valley]

Younger audiences are literally more likely to be switch or console players than PC players

[elfin swift]

in general i think games as a medium have the baggage of being an extremely young art form, where fans aren't really used to or familiar with games being hit with the kind of critique or analysis you'd give things like movies. so there'll always be a higher density of video games fans with really strong knee-jerk reactions to criticism. i think you can see something similar with mainstream comic fandom from like, the 90s and aughts

[cerulean sable]

hence i prefer to stay as a niche

that way we get to circlejerk about how our game isnt recognized and underrated instead 😎

[tawdry valley]

I wish I could boil that one down to immature audiences but some people just suck

[cerulean sable]

then again TC said HK is supposed to be niche but it still blew up regardless

according to APWOT at least

[tawdry valley]

“Undiscovered Indie gem with 5 mil copies sold remains hidden”

[cerulean sable]

lmao

[analog forge]

Thats certainly how people talk about hidden gems ngl

[elfin swift]

i don't think it's even immaturity exactly. though there's the intersection of like, online fandom and young audiences being a tinderbox

[analog forge]

everything thats not triple a is a "hidden gem", regardless of sales figures

Meanwhile actual hidden gems get discard and remain, ya know, hidden

[tawdry valley]

Hidden gems are games with 12 steam reviews and revolutionary respective mechanics

[analog forge]

cough aac cough

[cerulean sable]

were popular enough

and we should stay this way

but we wont

[elfin swift]

i hear a lot of good but also a lot of divisive things about phoenoetopia

[cerulean sable]

because SS is actually gonna get acentuated with how good the reception with HK is, unless they churn out a shitty game

[agile kelp]

honestly im not sure if you can say being immature as an excuse for being toxic, even if your a toddler that doesnt give you the right to be an asshole

[bleak scarab]

I hope when the fandom gets bigger it won't get too bad with the audiences

[still owl]

All about personal definitions at this point

[still owl]

Not a lot of kids know boundaries. They’re socially awkward and testing limits, it’s what kids do

[bleak scarab]

I try to be tolerant of them and let them know "Heyo, this ain't really cool" (in terms of like boundaries or behavior)

[elfin swift]

online fandom breeds toxicity, as a rule, but i think that intersects and gets amplified by video games fans, generally speaking, not being used to games getting the level of critical analysis you'd put on movies, or books, or comics, just by virtue of video games as a medium being really comparatively young and not having that much critical analysis levied at it in the past

[cerulean sable]

yeah and it doesnt have to be online either

just look at sports

[still owl]

I often forget sports follow the fandom rule

[analog forge]

Sports are tribalism without any actual substance

[elfin swift]

yeah good point. and very very similar to sports too, video games aren't just sold as art and entertainment, they're sold as brands. you as a consumer are encouraged not just to enjoy a game but also like, incorporate it into your identity, and feel some loyalty to company x behind game y

[analog forge]

substance makes the toxicity so so much worse.

[elfin swift]

which all compounds with your usual fandom drama into hair-trigger defensiveness towards perceived criticism, cause then it feels like criticism not just of the game, but of you

[chrome imp]

I think that's understandable

[cerulean sable]

call me pessimistic, but its why whenever someone asks if this game is good, i always list the bad things first and foremost despite my love for it

it really isnt for everyone

and im just sick of the glowing "OMG YES BEST GAME EVER" replies only to eventually dissapoint the game and waste their time

[chrome imp]

I definitely get that

[analog forge]

I dont think you should ever open with "best game evar", but you should open up with the strong points first, to create a strong "sales pitch"

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[chrome imp]

Also depends on the person you recommend it to, tbh.

[cerulean sable]

usually tho when it gets recommended, those comments comes out at like mid the thread

[analog forge]

Exagerating the positves only triggers the "too good to be true" response, and basically causes you to shut down

[cerulean sable]

and the highest are usually
"YES BEST GAME EVER, YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT, ITS REWARDING THE COMBAT IS THE BEST EVER AND YOU WILL NOT DISSAPOINT IT IS A MASTERPIECE"

yeah

thats why i prefer it when the highest top rated comments are around the levels of "Yeah but make sure you know what youre getting into"

[analog forge]

but yeah you should play assault android cactus

[cerulean sable]

was placed in perspective during one thread in a subreddit
"I didnt really like it, i found the combat too difficult and the runback tedious, it felt like it was wasting my time. The environments were pretty drab too"
"Well why did you get it in the first place? You should know what type of game it is first before buying"
"Then maybe fans should stop telling everyone that they should play as its a must play, then not getting mad when said people say that they didnt enjoy the game"

[elfin swift]

yea definitely

[agile kelp]

thats a pretty good example

[analog forge]

tbf, hollow knight is a must play, just as the apex of the metroidvania genre.
It exacerbates alot of the genres flaws, but it excells its strengths to the point of lunacy.
its an important game to play because it is everything great about metroidvania, a perfect case study on the genre.

[elfin swift]

well, okay but on the other hand. if someone told me hollow knight's environments were drab i think that's on them for having really bad taste

[analog forge]

of course, you can buy symphony of the night on your phone for like 2 bucks, so , ya know, its not that much of a must play

[elfin swift]

like yea subjectivity of art and all that but also at the end of the day some people have the most upside-down ridiculous genuinely terrible tastes in games and media

[chrome imp]

That's silly, Hollow Knight is clearly objectively the number 1 best game in the universe.

[cerulean sable]

my personal take is that theres no such thing as a must play, because at the end it will all drip down to subjective reasonings or due to preferences. There so many games out there, you shouldnt feel forced to play because others like one thing

[proud vale]

I'm just glad hk isn't on the same gatekeeping level as undertale

Yo Taco you should play Outer Wilds

[chrome imp]

What can you gatekeep about UT? o.O I never played it

[cerulean sable]

But again, thats just me, hence ive ignored GOTY lists for the past years already

I dont really put worth on games by the rewards they get as long as they satisfy me

[analog forge]

It isnt about what i like, or opinions.
its about seeing the absolute best a genre has to offer.

Goty lists arent the same as must plays.

[agile kelp]

honestly im just confused how gatekeeping works

[cerulean sable]

I guess if you put it in the perspective on a genre i agree

but if its like "i dont like 2d platformers" and the reply is "PLAY HOLLOW KNIKGHT IT WILL CHANGE UR MIND" then thats when im eh'd with it

[elfin swift]

what i heard (never saw this for myself) is that when undertale was really taking off a lot of streamers started doing lets plays, and fans would jump into those streams and get really aggressive about the way you're 'supposed' to play

[analog forge]

Must play games only come around once every other, maybe once a year if you're lucky

Usually even rarer

[proud vale]

yeah unfortunately there's no such thing as a 'universal game'

[chrome imp]

I like GOTY lists because they are usually really good quality in multiple ways. I'll still trust my own judgement, but there's a very good chance that most of the games are up there for a reason.

[fiery coral]

Portal 2 though

[chrome imp]

Oh no

[cerulean sable]

like, someone could pitch me why baba is you is a must play

but i aint touching it regardless because i hate puzzle games

[agile kelp]

i should get portal 2

[fiery coral]

😡

[elfin swift]

i came in like, 6 months late and never interacted with the fandom much so tbh i never really saw the terrible badness people always associate with undertale fandom

[analog forge]

Baba is you isnt a must play in any universe.

[proud vale]

I don't think baba is you is a must play, it's cool but definitely not for everyone

[chrome imp]

I haven't even heard of it

[fathom ice]

Agreed, biggest wake up call regarding this for me was player Witcher 3, which is one of the most decorated games out there, it just didn't do it for me personally tho. I can appreciate it's a good game and well made, I just didn't enjoy playing it

[analog forge]

Its a good game, but its also a deviously clever puzzler, in the most archaic, difficult way possible.

[fiery coral]

okay jokes aside yeah BiY is definitely not a must play

[agile kelp]

have you tried snakebirds by any chance?

[cerulean sable]

no

[fiery coral]

BUT PORTAL 2 ON THE OTHER HAND-

[cerulean sable]

i dont like portal either

there i said it

[agile kelp]

portal 2 is funny

[analog forge]

portal 2 isnt a must play, but portal 1 definetly is

[cerulean sable]

not because i hate it, but because again portal isnt a genre i like

[fiery coral]

1 is the prototype for 2

[chrome imp]

Understandable. I love the characters and the story is nice, but the combat personally kind of makes me not want to finish it

[proud vale]

portal 1 is like a quarter of the length of 2

[fiery coral]

unacceptable alrighty fair

[fathom ice]

Yeah exactly, it was the combat that I disliked as well

[cerulean sable]

i watched playthroughs of it and i enjoyed the story (especially with how it tied with Half Life) but like, i dont wanna actually play it

[elfin swift]

i feel like it's a lot harder to recommend games as 'must experience' things, compared to movies or even a lot of books, because there's a LOT more investment on the part of whoever you're trying to rec it too

[agile kelp]

thats why i recomend it, because it actually has a joke. even if its one joke i just like humour and i cant find anything with humour in it

[analog forge]

What movies even are must watches?

[chrome imp]

It feels so stiff for me

[proud vale]

Taco do you enjoy first person space exploration games with charming music and cool lore?

[cerulean sable]

im not playing the outerwilds for now

not in the mood

[fiery coral]

[proud vale]

bruh that was the quickest shroom pog i ever saw

[chrome imp]

The Godfather, Schindler's List, Pulp Fiction etc. would be considered must watches by a lot of people

[fiery coral]

[proud vale]

Trust me pog-brother, when the time comes for you to play it, you will pog

[analog forge]

pulp fiction is a fine film, but i wouldnt consider it a must watch by any stretch

[elfin swift]

i think approaching things from a 'must watch/read/play' perspective is kinda setting yourself up for failure in the first place. probably better to be like, this is an incredible piece of art for x, y, and z reasons, if that sounds relevant to you you should check it

[agile kelp]

i mean i have recommendations but theyre not english

[analog forge]

the idea of something being must watch is that, for whatever reason, its value transcends the normal entertainment value of a movie.

[chrome imp]

I like to take it as a hyperbole, I will never take it seriously if someone unironically says that unless they know that it's exactly the kind of thing I am passionate about

[elfin swift]

yea that's fair

[analog forge]

Either do to some message, some case study about film making, being an absolute to the tee version of a genre, or some other factor

[elfin swift]

bangs my big metal drum like a maniac pirates of the caribbean 2 and 3 are genuinely great movies and deserve your appreciation and respect as must-watch pieces of cinema

[analog forge]

Its value must be beyond what the normal entertainment value is.

[copper knot]

ya know its funny because ive never watched any of em

[chrome imp]

Very well said

[copper knot]

but to be fair i dont watch movies

[mighty flax]

Sam Raimis Spider-Man trilogy is a must watch

[chrome imp]

Me neither lmao

[cerulean sable]

my current mood is more on medieval sims so or at least RPGs
so my log atm is:

• Battle Brothers
• Wasteland 3 (not medieval but it is an RPG)
• Going Medieval
• Mount and Blade Bannerlord
• Manorlords
• Sovereign II
• Wartales

would finish Kingdom Come Deliverance if only my current PC could take it