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[mortal grove]

Are you talking about terraria

[copper knot]

i am

[pallid flare]

factorio

[rapid topaz]

I don't like the "unfair" just to be unfair. If it's something that feels unfair but doable, I'm fine with it

[modest night]

salt and sanctuary was pretty fun, with dagger at least

[shy stirrup]

yall remember when we were saying the game would launch end of 2019. lmao

[copper knot]

lmao.png

[mortal grove]

is it bad i didnt know how to use dn back then

[modest night]

🥴

happens

[mortal grove]

i used it to try and get into the white palace

[copper knot]

dumbass

||this is a joke please do not ban me||

[modest night]

i don't get giving bad reviews if the game is challenging in a good way

[mortal grove]

[shy stirrup]

i hope all the tools or at least most of them are useful in ss

[pallid flare]

there's some games that are hard for no reason

[shy stirrup]

in hk a solid 40% of charms were useless

[modest night]

yeah lmao charms are a joke when you get shaman or quick slash

[rapid topaz]

Well I guess some people just want to roll over the obstacles rather than accomplish them

[shy stirrup]

i want more unique tools that are useful.

[modest night]

then they shouldn't play games with the tag "hard"

🥴

[copper knot]

ya know i really fucking hate bosses that have stunlock mechanics

[mortal grove]

i think there was someone who got stuck at hornet 1 and was like "game too hard, not for me but i can see why people like it" something like that

[shy stirrup]

i want more tools that are useful in platforming

[modest night]

i think people give up too easily

to be honest

[agile herald]

If you think easy games like hollow knight are too hard then play easy games

[pallid flare]

i just want to have fun

[modest night]

like ive seen a dozen people in hk disc saying oh wow the game sucks i died 5 times to hornet

[rapid topaz]

One thing I really hate in video games are cheap jumpscare... It's not scary, just easy and annoying design.

[shy stirrup]

hk was the first metroidvania game i played and i got my ass kicked lol

[copper knot]

boo!

[mortal grove]

when i beat hornet 2 i almost cried

[shy stirrup]

but i didnt give up. (i did take a 2 week break during nkg tho)

[rapid topaz]

Out of context jumpscares are dumb

[modest night]

even in context it's pretty annoying

[shy stirrup]

i also took a 4 month break cus of poh

[mortal grove]

literally the only boss i struggled with (if we ignore absrad and rad)

[sacred stratus]

HK is hard. but it's not that hard

[shy stirrup]

hk is challenging but not hard (most of the time)

its the perfect difficulty

[agile herald]

PoH is like the only actually hard part

[shy stirrup]

even skilled players sometimes have trouble and newer players still stand a chance

[agile herald]

You need to really limit yourself to make it a hard game

[modest night]

idk i would like the difficulty curve to be more even, not just ok and then challenging once you reach godhome

[pallid flare]

am I the only bad one at the game

[shy stirrup]

but doesnt the game auto save

[copper knot]

honestly i feel like the hardest genre of games are rhythm games

nothing can fucking compare to how hard some rhythm games are

[shy stirrup]

i have no clue how people play rhytm games

[modest night]

crypt of the necrodancer is so cool even if it's not really a full rhythm game

[copper knot]

same

[shy stirrup]

i cannot process that much info at once

[mortal grove]

i have no sense of rhythm at all

[shy stirrup]

i tried playing fnf and i couldnt get past level 2

[agile herald]

L

[copper knot]

rhythm games are harder than every single genre of games because it has unlimited difficulty potential unlike platformers and shit

[rapid topaz]

I mean Hollow Knight has it's own difficulty. If you're comfy with the mechanics it would look easy, but someone who is frustrated of the backtracking and learning the boss patterns would probably find it "difficult"

[shy stirrup]

which i have never played

[mortal grove]

Bro when i played fnf i almost died to daddy dearest and ouuuuuaggggghhhhhh

[copper knot]

dumbass

||this is again, another joke. please do not ban me mods, we are friends||

[modest night]

playing a metroidvania if you don't like backtracking is probably not the best idea anyway

[rapid topaz]

Yeah lol

[mortal grove]

[rapid topaz]

Totally agree

[copper knot]

i still cant fucking defeat expurgation

[shy stirrup]

metroid fusion is a metroidvania without backtracking go play that

[warm bone]

so its not a metroidvania

[stoic path]

How can a metroidvania not have backtracking?

[shy stirrup]

i have no clue

[modest night]

it's called metroid

[copper knot]

you can defeat ori without backtracking

[modest night]

easy

[shy stirrup]

metroid fusion is the only metroid game that that fails at being a metroidvania

[mortal grove]

hmmm should i get omori or deaths door

[warm bone]

this game is an fps without the shooting

[agile herald]

Hollow Knight’s difficulty is very comparable to something like Dark Souls, not because it’s hard, but because the difficulty you’ll experience will heavily differ based on the path you choose, and if you pick upgrades or use some items or charms that will always make the game easier

[copper knot]

omori

lets suffer together

[modest night]

none of them

[shy stirrup]

slime rancher?

[modest night]

i disliked both

[copper knot]

brb cancelling sonia

[stoic path]

Metroidvanias give players opportunity to explore a game in a non-linear style, which allows for sequence breaking and gives each player a personified experience.

[shy stirrup]

but i guess you shoot slimes

[modest night]

go on

[agile herald]

Like you can rush blighttown or deepnest and hollow knight or dark souls will be a harder game

[mortal grove]

what were your thoughts on deaths door? heard it was difficult

[copper knot]

why do you not like omori

[modest night]

death's door is fucking boring and slow and omori is so edgy it's cringy

[warm bone]

gameplay

[copper knot]

pain

[agile herald]

You can get a +10 weapon and pyromancies or pick up shaman stone and the games are both easy as fuck

[shy stirrup]

thanks to hk metroid vanias are now my favourite video game genre

[shy stirrup]

thats only if you've played it before tho

[mortal grove]

[rapid topaz]

I liked Death's Door for it's art and visuals. They're great. But bad replayability and some things are boring

[copper knot]

my favourite genres? indie games

i dont fucking care what genre it is i refuse to play 99% of AAA games because they are made by greedy capitalists who exploit people

[shy stirrup]

like hk is super easy with shaman stone now, but the first playthrough i would have still gotten my ass kicked.

[modest night]

deaths door looks great don't get me wrong but everything else about it is eh

[mortal grove]

okay what about risk of rain 2

[modest night]

no difficulty and very slow everything

[mortal grove]

ror2?

[rapid topaz]

yeah it has some problems

[modest night]

no deaths door 🥴 ive heard ror2 was hard

[shy stirrup]

is dandara good? i have it on epic games

[agile herald]

You are a baby just play AAA games they’re very good like 2/3 of my favourite games are made by large very large studios

[shy stirrup]

its the trial edition no clue what that means

[agile herald]

Just because a game is $60 doesn’t mean it’s a cashgrab

[mortal grove]

i might just get ror2 cause i love the ost for the game so much

[copper knot]

to be honest i dont care if they are good or bad. i feel iffy supporting shitty companies like EA or activision

[pallid flare]

people shit on AAA games too much

[mortal grove]

also multiplayer

[agile herald]

Well that’s EA and Activision lol

[warm bone]

shitty companies can make good games

[mortal grove]

my sister has ror1 so i can play that first

[modest night]

last time i did that i was sorely disappointed, but the game was nier automata 🥴

[agile herald]

Also they do have some good games like Fallen Order

And um whatever activision has actually made that’s good

[shy stirrup]

fallen order is good but its still a buggy mess

[copper knot]

well i heard ubisoft has some really bad shit going and the only AAA game company i trust is valve

i just dont wanna support shitty companies

[mortal grove]

dang

[agile herald]

Oobisoft is usually dogshit but they also still do make some good games

[shy stirrup]

i like nintendo cuz they make games i like and treat their devs well (they have a lot of other problems but i still love their games)

[mortal grove]

i asked for peoples opinion on ror2 and it was mostly positive

[copper knot]

to be fair i dont care if their games are good or bad

[mortal grove]

a few bugs

[warm bone]

but they have anti-consumer practices like planned obsolescence and limited releases

[modest night]

i'm so sad solar ash is epic exclusive

[agile herald]

Basically buy Elden Ring best game I haven’t played 10/10 we do a little shilling

[shy stirrup]

which is why i dont support those things

[rapid topaz]

people also forget the amount of unknown and bad indie games in existence. I mean they are not a majority but they really suck.

[mortal grove]

wow 1 day before my birthday

[modest night]

so weird that elden ring is releasing before silksong

[copper knot]

ok i guess i am fine with bandai namco

[warm bone]

isn't it

[agile herald]

Yeah I know i didn’t expect it at all

[warm bone]

bandi namco is a publisher, I don't know if they themselves make any games

[shy stirrup]

like 60% of indie games are just shovelware

[copper knot]

i know

[shy stirrup]

that may be an exaggeration but its hard to find good ones (like dead cells, celese, hk, etc)

[copper knot]

what is shovelware

[rapid topaz]

what's a "shovelware"?

[shy stirrup]

70% of the wii's library

[serene chasm]

Games like shovel knight

[mortal grove]

hmmm i think ill get risk of rain 2 my concern was that im poopy at shooters but someone told me ill be fine

[modest night]

oh yeah i'm sort of bummed out that crowsworn doesn't really look like it'll have its own visual identity, like the artstyle looks so similar to hk

[shy stirrup]

im hyped for crowsworn still.

[modest night]

will probably play well tho so

[shy stirrup]

im fine with the similarity.

[stoic path]

HK but with guns

[mortal grove]

Oh right dead cells and celeste

[agile herald]

It has sword and shield Gael though

[stoic path]

Looks awesome so far

[rapid topaz]

I'm more curious of Crowsworn than hyped tbh

[copper knot]

gris, LISA, omori, undertale, terraria, ori, night in the woods, henry stickmin collection, btd6, town of salem, fran bow, little nightmares, one shot, yume nikki, ddlc, stardew valley, cuphead, unironically among us, sally face, my hands are tired

[modest night]

eh i think it would be better with a more memorable artstyle than just hk copy

well almost copy

[mortal grove]

is deadcells great what are your guys thoughts

[stoic path]

Why Henry stickmin?

[serene chasm]

I liked dead cells.

[shy stirrup]

all great games! but still most indie games are not that good

[copper knot]

like which?

[shy stirrup]

but i still think they need to be supported

[modest night]

dead cells is nice but i won't 100% it

[mortal grove]

cause hes charles in real

[serene chasm]

Most indie games are ok to mediocre. Not bad

[shy stirrup]

basically what im tryin to say

[stoic path]

Charles is cool

[modest night]

also where is blasphemous in that list, even if it has janky movement and not very hard bosses it should be there 🥴

[shy stirrup]

i tried the demo but hated the movement

[mortal grove]

Did you have any problems with it like bugs or anything

[shy stirrup]

dead cells is great

but i had to come back to it cuz the first time i didnt like it

[agile herald]

Blasphemous looks extremely nice

I love the artstyle

[serene chasm]

I like blasphemous. It's got style. Controls are ok but take getting use to

[pallid flare]

curly go in the "new indie games" section on steam

[stoic path]

Hey, Sa1t. Your pfp looks like of Madeline, but I've never seen that before in Celeste?

[modest night]

https://youtu.be/fZ1Pk8HBYJU very good track btw

[shy stirrup]

arent the controls in the full release of blasphemous better than the demo

[mortal grove]

Oh its from theo's instagram

[copper knot]

i dunno man i just dont really trust AAA companies

maybe the ones i trust are like the ones from valve and capcom (?)

[stoic path]

Oh

[shy stirrup]

wdym trust lol

[modest night]

afaik they are but it's not the smoothest movement ive played

[ocean mulch]

Hi chat

[shy stirrup]

which sucks cuz movement is super important to me

[ocean mulch]

[copper knot]

they do trash

[shy stirrup]

thats why even with all the problems ori 1has i still like it a lot

[modest night]

i'm more disappointed with the bosses tbh but that's only because i thought the game would actually be hard after hearing everybody crying about it

the dlc bosses are very very good tho

[mortal grove]

okay actually what games would you recommend

[warm bone]

while the quality of indie games may be more variable than AAA titles, the anti-consumer practices of indie devs is far below any AAA company

[modest night]

transistor

[chilly nexus]

I kinda wish the knight had a bit more momentum in the air in HK. So many times I'd stop holding forward during a jump, thihnking he'd continue his trajectory fairly well, but then he'd just stop outright

[serene chasm]

Outer wilds

[agile herald]

Sekiro

[modest night]

salt and sanctuary

[shy stirrup]

can agree on that

[rapid topaz]

I don't agree with that. I have seen games so bad and controversial on the messages they want to share. Like honestly, there is some problematic games that I'm happy they're still unknown nowadays

[ocean mulch]

Hey Sonia sup

[modest night]

yo hi chroma how are you

and i'm alright

[copper knot]

im not denying that theres bad indie games. i fucking hate YIIK and hiveswap. but thats usually like- the minority?

[ocean mulch]

I'm very gud
Haven't seen you in a while

[chilly nexus]

tbh outer wilds triggers my anxiety very hard 😅 I was quite sad about that

[mortal grove]

ive been seeing outer wilds mentioned here alot i should go check it out

[ocean mulch]

Oh god YIIK

[shy stirrup]

they are only the minority because all the popular ones are good

[chilly nexus]

Sekiro is great though

[shy stirrup]

most of the games no one talks about are not that good.

[modest night]

the oxygen bar in outer wilds is so stressful

[warm bone]

fromsoft is my favorite AAA dev

[copper knot]

i mean i havent heard of many bad indie games so....

[chilly nexus]

also just like, moving around in the ship. and the weather

[modest night]

yeah i suck at 3d games

[shy stirrup]

because no one talks about them lol

[mortal grove]

ah hell nah homestuck

[unkempt valley]

Good game I recommend using the controller

[agile herald]

I liked hiveswap act 1 a lot and didn’t play the rest because I heard it was bad

[ocean mulch]

Oxygen bars-

[warm bone]

DO IT

[rapid topaz]

Exactly

[warm bone]

AND DON'T LOOK ANYTHING UP

[mortal grove]

i hope youtube doesnt spoil me

[shy stirrup]

chicken shoot is an indie game but you dont see anyone other than scott the woz talk about it because it sucks

[copper knot]

well thats quite obvious isnt it? but well i just prefer indie games because i know they are made with genuine passion

[chilly nexus]

I get claustrophobic every time I get trapped in a weird orbit with my momentum and start spinning a lot and it's just bad 😅 If I wen't slower it wouldn't be too much of an issue, but I go quick and then over compensate

[serene chasm]

But is that most? I guess for me a bad indie game is a shitty unity asset ripoff game that is trying to copy whatever popular game is at the time.

[copper knot]

i dont actually see games as products. i see games as work of arts. its not just something to play, its an art form

[mortal grove]

one time i was searching up where to go in deepnest and i got recommended a video about killing hornets mom

[modest night]

it's still sort of sad to me that crowsworn got 1M cad when other indie games that actually have a unique visual style get much less
but i guess it gets carried by the hk community+actually looking fun to play

[agile herald]

I am way worse at 2d games

[shy stirrup]

i think its important to see them as both

[warm bone]

I played the outer wilds vr mod and it was amazing but so was the amount of motion sickness I got when flying in space

[shy stirrup]

games are first and foremost made to make money

[cunning geode]

the issue is when companies pump out games as products without caring

[chilly nexus]

ye. i'm happy to see their success, but it was def a lot of the HK publicity

[modest night]

just very funny to see how gleamlight got killed on the spot and criticizing the similarities in artstyle for crowsworn gets you a bad rep now is it

[copper knot]

i see em as art honestly

[agile herald]

Like I suck ass at hollow knight and I have no idea how I did stuff like pale prince and path of pain with Celeste wind

[sacred stratus]

you can't progress in life without taking risks

[copper knot]

i agree!

[shy stirrup]

yeah but gleamlight had tons of other issues and seemed super boring

[chilly nexus]

I can't wait for mario rabbids sparks of hope

[stoic path]

I can't wait for Metroid Dread

[shy stirrup]

still need to finish the original. it was fun but i forgot abhout it

[cunning geode]

Gleamlight did a smart thing by trying to do similar to Hollow Knight - they just didn't go far enough so the game is bad.

[shy stirrup]

same!!! it looks awesome!

[modest night]

it got cancelled because it was a "hk rip off"

not because it looked bad

[cunning geode]

Good game devs take things from good games that work well

[shy stirrup]

yeah but it was also bad

[cunning geode]

and then build from that

[modest night]

that's not my point

[chilly nexus]

i feel that. crowsworn definitely feels very ambitious on the dev's part. I hope they pull it off

[shy stirrup]

crowsworn actually has ideas that seem cool

[stoic jacinth]

Gleamlight didn’t have a similar map style to HK

[warm bone]

cause it was not a metroidvania

[stoic path]

Crowsworn doesn't either

[copper knot]

i dont think gleamlight is a straight up hollow knight copy. the devs were new to gaming and just made a shitty game, however i still see a lot of potential within them

[stoic jacinth]

I doubt it was just a 100% money grab, but it most likely took some combat inspiration

[agile herald]

No it got cancelled because it’s a dogshit cashgrab I got all achievements in like 3 hours

[rapid topaz]

It's more than just a rip-off or whatever. Their topics are probably not allowed to be writed in a public discord server tho

[ocean mulch]

Gleamlight wasn't HK it just tried to do stuff borrowing HK's art style in a glass way

[agile herald]

It has janky combat and baby ass shitty dumb controls

[shy stirrup]

gleamlight could have been super good

[modest night]

bro i can tell you the initial backslash was 100% because it looked "like hk"

[cunning geode]

it definitely was

[agile herald]

It was

[shy stirrup]

it was but it wasnt the only reason

[ocean mulch]

Wasn't gleamlight's gimmick that there isn't a ui

[modest night]

not because it was bad

[mortal grove]

I checked it out and

[agile herald]

But it was also too garbage to stand on its own

[copper knot]

why not omori?

[mortal grove]

Looks kinda fun

[shy stirrup]

crowsworn also got a lot of hate at first but after the kickstarter trailer people are excited for it

[modest night]

i don't care about bad or not it's just pretty hypocritical to see how criticism gets brushed off now

[stoic jacinth]

When you can finish a game with full achievements and then refund it on steam, that’s not just “looks like hk”, just a bad game, and that’s more forgivable

[chilly nexus]

that's why i'm a little nervous about crowsworn. They're not building an SS level game with HK as a firsthand experience to draw from. They're jumping straight into an SS/bloodborne esque game with no holds barred on the vision.

[mortal grove]

Thing is i spoiled myself already

[copper knot]

F

[ocean mulch]

And I said to myself it's okay it might be good they just did some HK looking things

[mortal grove]

the game probably wouldve been pretty sweet blind

[modest night]

no like disliked to hell at the first trailer and shit

[warm bone]

outer wilds is best played with no knowledge of anything in it so, if it looks cool, please don't look up anything else on the game and buy it

[cunning geode]

unfortunately mob mentality is rampant when it comes to opinions on video games

[modest night]

and that surely had an impact on the development

[copper knot]

what did you know about the game thats spoilers

[agile herald]

Crowsworn looks like bloodborne and like dlc dark souls 3 in a hollow knight framework

With guns and a lot of them

[warm bone]

which dlc

[shy stirrup]

i know its on switch but it runs like shit so ill get it once i have a better pc

[mortal grove]

major plot twist and the plot

[copper knot]

ouch

[warm bone]

its not on switch yet

[shy stirrup]

oh i thought it was out?

[mortal grove]

Can you tell me the plot atleast

[agile herald]

Like ringed city exclusively because of the boss that looks like Gael with a sword and shield

[chilly nexus]

they're drawing on great inspirations but idk how well they'll tie everything together and make it feel as a first game with that scope

[serene chasm]

No!

[chilly nexus]

I hope it's a success, but am nervous

[warm bone]

its good

[mortal grove]

ok

[ocean mulch]

Omg imagine how good SS will be. The tools are actually somewhat balanced since they were made at the start

[agile herald]

Also because it’s fuckinh yellow

[mortal grove]

is time to put outer wilds on wishlist

[copper knot]

who backed crowsworn on kickstarter?

[shy stirrup]

the good thing about crowsworn is that it proves that people want more metroidvanias

[warm bone]

am poor

[stoic jacinth]

SS has more than just that going for it

[serene chasm]

I did

[warm bone]

its out on everything else

[copper knot]

am poor too but i backed it because

[mortal grove]

crowsworn is interesting but theres just this one part in the trailer thats just very similar to silksong

[ocean mulch]

Just an example of its greatness

[stoic jacinth]

I pledged like $5

[copper knot]

20 bucks boi

[chilly nexus]

o this reminded me that I dreamt about SS las night after my steel heart playthrough!

[cunning geode]

i find it funny how the one thing that I naturally find super similar in Crowsworn to Hollow Knight is how the crow guy's cape moves when they jump

its not a problem since thats just how capes work but i find it funny

[copper knot]

hollow knight invented gravity

[ocean mulch]

That's just
How capes work

[cunning geode]

of course it is

[shy stirrup]

i hope the combat in crowsworn doenst get boring while playing through the game

[mortal grove]

the crow guy is lowkey cool so ill be getting crowsworn anyways

[stoic jacinth]

I mean the enemy design+ count looks incredible, ari’s environments look incredible already, hornet looks amazing to play as, I’m just so excited

[copper knot]

they have fucking guns of course its never gonna get boring

[mortal grove]

he has a gun. hornet could never

[agile herald]

Guys there’s this game called crowsworn and um you have a healthbar in the top left of your screen (just like hollow knight)

[cunning geode]

i just find it amusing how I cant help but think "hullow knite" when I see the crowlad hop around. its not a knock at the game at all

[modest night]

it's more the artstyle and animations looking similar, i'm just saying i think the game loses by not trying something more unique even if it looks good

[shy stirrup]

i hope people keep their expectations in check with ss

[cunning geode]

the artstyle is indeed super similar but i dont mind it

[shy stirrup]

i imagine it will be good as hk but i hope people dont expect something 10x better than it

[modest night]

i don't either but i think it's wasting potential

[ocean mulch]

The art style itself is different but they borrow visual elements

[cunning geode]

"similar artstyle" is a fair criticism

[languid linden]

Wow Crowsworn is really close to its final goal

[ocean mulch]

A million

[copper knot]

honestly if "similar artstyle" is a more common criticism all anime visual novels are cancelled

[shy stirrup]

ive never really cared about artstyle similarity as long as the game itself is good

[cunning geode]

not even gonna use the custom HK upvote emote Etimo? shame

[agile herald]

Celeste and terraria are castlevania clones I think

[rapid topaz]

I forget lol

[modest night]

i just think it's funny how everybody is so ok with it after the gleamlight bs when gleamlight actually had an original idea for their visual style even if the game is shit

[serene chasm]

Every game is a pong clone

[cunning geode]

thats a good point sonia

[ocean mulch]

The art style is cool

[stoic jacinth]

I think what set people off was how the combat looked for gleamlight

[ocean mulch]

Very unique glass look

[shy stirrup]

i think the game just looked cheaply made

[cunning geode]

the HK artstyle is familiar and comforting I suppose

[ocean mulch]

Actually-

[shy stirrup]

hk looked cheaply made in its earlier trailers but by the end it looked great

[modest night]

yeah because it wasn't hated at the first trailer

[mortal grove]

[shy stirrup]

even by release gleamlight looked cheap

[stoic jacinth]

Well, it is an indie game. The question is was the reason for the cheap look the lack of devs, or a lack of passion for the game

[mortal grove]

ill just be getting it when it gets on sale

[languid linden]

HK community can get pretty toxic tbh

[shy stirrup]

not reallyimo

[stoic jacinth]

“That’s some high quality plagiarism”

[rapid topaz]

but how can you critisize a game by only their trailers?

[shy stirrup]

most of the community is pretty nice

[ocean mulch]

If they had a bit more skill with transparency and lighting gleamlight could've looked so so good visually

[modest night]

simply by talking about how it looks

[agile herald]

You can shit on a game if it’s like objectively horrible like gleamlight but if it has the potential to be a good game then we should hold off on most of the criticism when at the end of the day it could be a great game

[modest night]

and not how it plays

[shy stirrup]

because thats how people judge whether to buy a game

[rapid topaz]

yeah that's fair point

[mortal grove]

gleamlight had potential and i wish people werent so hard on it and i wish the devs put more effort

[copper knot]

i agree

[serene chasm]

Talking about gleamlight?if so I agree. The style was cool but the animations and movement seemed janky. I think if they delayed it a year and smoothed it out it might have gotten a berry reception

[shy stirrup]

yeah

[modest night]

it's time to go back in time and mass dislike the first hk trailer because it looked bad

[agile herald]

Learn to take the soulslike approach and judge the game for how it is

[shy stirrup]

yeah it looked bad but it was in pre alpha

[cunning geode]

at the end of the day Gleamlight wasnt received well and Crowsworn is at like 700k+ on kickstarter.

[ocean mulch]

Crowsworn has a more comic looking style

[warm bone]

its most likely going to go on sale when the dlc comes out, and last time it went on sale it was like 40% off

[shy stirrup]

gleamlight still looked bad by the end

[stoic jacinth]

Imo the ferocious foes trailer looked alright, if that’s the one you’re taking about

[copper knot]

its 2:22 am i should go to sleep but im really lonely and i need company

[mortal grove]

[shy stirrup]

also sure even the hk release trailer wasnt that good but the game didnt look bad

[serene chasm]

We will be here when you wake up

[modest night]

yeah i just think it's unfair to the indie games that are actually trying to look like their own thing, even if i really think crowsworn will be a good game and i'm happy for the devs

[copper knot]

honestly crowsworn looks like modernised tim burton

[agile herald]

There are hundreds of games that are inspired by things like dark souls that have more blatant similarities than hollow knight and crowsworn and people don’t care because they’re not the hollow knight community

[shy stirrup]

im sure the artstyle will get some changes as development progresses

[mortal grove]

i love how crowsworn looks and once im done with silksong i will wait patiently for crowsworn

[copper knot]

ill stay here

[mortal grove]

Sleep

[shy stirrup]

i honestly still dont think crowsworn looks that similar to hk

it has some elements sure, but i still think it looks quite different

[copper knot]

i dont really have friends to talk to so thats why im active here and might as well take advantage when the chat is active and talk n shit

[agile herald]

I’m gonna start calling nkg a Dracula clone

[modest night]

eh

[shy stirrup]

ok that area yeah

[modest night]

hk didn't invent crystals but you know

[copper knot]

cant trust shit nowadays after my ex best friend betrayed me

[agile herald]

Crystals in games exist

[mortal grove]

crow looks so tiny lmao i love it

[agile herald]

It is fine if the game is good

[shy stirrup]

but most of the game looks quite different

[copper knot]

honestly that screenshot looks beautiful

[ocean mulch]

Ew

[cunning geode]

you cant deny crowsworn is inspired by HK, since they even said it themselves. How much you're willing to let that affect your opinion on Crowsworn is up to you

[mortal grove]

they turned crystals from hollow knight into a real thing

[modest night]

it does but i wish it was less inspired in a way

[cunning geode]

okay

[shy stirrup]

but isnt the fact that its inspired by hk a good thing

[cunning geode]

what i said was a general statement to everyone

[modest night]

yeah if you want more hk

it is

[ocean mulch]

Yeah but it is when you make a pink crystal area with same shaped crystals and also lasers

[modest night]

and yeah dwai wombat 🥴

sorry if i sounded angry im not

[cunning geode]

i was worrying that i was being a jerk

[shy stirrup]

yeah that area is a bit too similar. itll probably get changed tho

[modest night]

nah you're cool

[copper knot]

i mean everything is inspired by something

crowsworn was inspired by hollow knight
hollow knight was inspired by dark souls
dark souls was inspired by... idk i dont play dark souls

[shy stirrup]

demon soul

[ocean mulch]

HK wasn't inspired by dark souls actually

[copper knot]

well they did admit that some parts are inspired by dark souls

[ocean mulch]

Didn't they say they didn't play it

[shy stirrup]

it totally has some dark souls elements tho

[ocean mulch]

Oh inch resting

[copper knot]

they said dark souls isnt their biggest inspiration but its still an inspiration

[mortal grove]

This place is kind of ehhhhhh

[agile herald]

Basically just ripoff Gael and also the ringed city in Dark Souls 3

[rapid topaz]

Everhood is inspired by Undertale for it's artstyle, ans it's fine, they even said it themselves. I don't think "huge inspirations" are always a bad thing, if the game is good and original regardless I personnaly don't mind

[copper knot]

sans undertale

now laugh

[mortal grove]

im still getting crowsworn at the end of the day

[agile herald]

The comparisons are there but they aren’t that deep of the game plays well then it doesn’t matter

The combat looks very different

[stoic jacinth]

What platforms will CS be on?

[warm bone]

checkmate, geal did not have a shild

[shy stirrup]

nintendo, box, ps, pc

[stoic jacinth]

rad

[mortal grove]

i hope so dude

[agile herald]

Checkmate he does have a shield when you summon him to help you kill Friede in the other dlc hence my comparison

[hollow cairn]

looks more like anor londo than ringed city tbh

[agile herald]

[warm bone]

checkmate: he does not have it in the boss fight

[mortal grove]

its crazy how hollow knight didnt reach the abyss expansion but crowsworn is vibing at 900k+

[stoic jacinth]

SS looks much more acrobatic and fast paced, and I’ll probably play SS more than CS by a large margin, but CS still looks worth a buy

[shy stirrup]

im still sad about tht

[agile herald]

Checkmate crow man isn’t fighting Gael at filianore’s rest like in ds3

Basically a blatant ripoff bro

[copper knot]

im not buying crowsworn

i backed the game on kickstarter so i get the game as a reward

[stoic jacinth]

I did 5 so unlike you fools backing for the actual game, I get their thanks as a reward

[ocean mulch]

Dude SS is literally made for me.
I like spiders. I like to sew and crochet. I like fast paced gameplay.

[agile herald]

5 year old game mald and seethe

[stoic jacinth]

I like spiders
Specifically?

[copper knot]

spiders are dope
i like speed

im not a weaver tho im a baker

[ocean mulch]

Spiders are up there with snakes and cats

[mortal grove]

spiders are cool but im more of a snake guy

[ocean mulch]

OH LMAO

[copper knot]

spiders are cool but i like cats and dogs more

[mortal grove]

when will they add snakes in hollow knight

[stoic jacinth]

We have wolf spiders which I just despise in every way

Cartoon spiders are where I draw the line

[copper knot]

spiders are like my 2nd favourite animal

favourite animals are cats and dogs. dont make me choose, i love both equally

[agile herald]

Guys the fucking beautiful cinematic at the beginning of the crowsworn trailer looks kind of like the Netflix adaptation of castlevania making it also a clone of that and also symphony of the night for being a metroidvania

Worst game ever made tbh

[mortal grove]

hmmm i dont really have an animal tier list

[shy stirrup]

pandas and elephants are s tier

[agile herald]

Snakes but you can’t hit them by attacking forward because their hitbox is too low

[mortal grove]

sharks solid a tier

[shy stirrup]

guys! fun fact! pandas are not critically endangered anymore!

[agile herald]

Why

[coarse leaf]

Humans definatly F tier

[agile herald]

They should be extinct literally like the most incompetent animal

Humans are S tier easily

[shy stirrup]

they need to learn how to take care of a child. fucking morons

literally every other animal straight up knows

[agile herald]

Mfs have cubs very like 4 years and accidentally just like sit on them or abandon them to look for food

They are so dumb lol

Panda hate club

[shy stirrup]

yeah but at least they do that on accident. humans do it on purpose

[agile herald]

Humans aren’t critically endangered in most places besides like japan and Canada I think

[stoic jacinth]

why am I so excited for the SS quest log

[shy stirrup]

animals=f tier
trees= s tier

[mortal grove]

dogs are like B-C tier cause we kinda screwed them up

[shy stirrup]

my dog and only my dog is s tier

[mortal grove]

[stoic jacinth]

I mean the “hunt” type quests could be really good

And grand hunt

[shy stirrup]

for some reason my dog likes it when i massage his feet

[stoic jacinth]

If anyone can make a good quest system, it’s TC

[mortal grove]

i cant wait to see the new npcs

[agile herald]

You have to kill the boss Slave Knight Gael from popular metroidvania crowsworn

[stoic jacinth]

the crazy mfs with the jousting spear thing looks like so much fun

I forget the names

[mortal grove]

i love the paladin already

[mortal grove]

the flying enemies??

[stoic jacinth]

I’ll get a ss rq

these guys

why is the quality so bad jeez

[agile herald]

Small

[stoic jacinth]

alright

[agile herald]

Maybe they’re accompanying you on a hunt quest

[stoic jacinth]

or there's some escort-type quest

[agile herald]

They are fine on their own I think

[coarse leaf]

Or your chasing him

[mortal grove]

Ohhh garmond and zaza

[stoic jacinth]

I think hornet runs through them at some point in the trailer but i'm not sure

[agile herald]

Horace and Anri

[stoic jacinth]

i'll check

[mortal grove]

They also appear in edge

[stoic jacinth]

Ok, she jumps over them in the trailer but that could be so that they can showcase them

or they damage her, which might make sense as she can damage friends in some ways as the pimpillo item desc tells us

[copper knot]

im so sorry for my profile pic upgrade

[coarse leaf]

You take damage if it hits you

[coarse leaf]

You mean degrade

[copper knot]

UwU

[stoic jacinth]

Calling it now, the parry move is going to be SS's DDark

[mortal grove]

no i dont think so

[stoic jacinth]

that has to have some ludicrous amount of i-frames

after the move that is

[hushed wasp]

1983 resolution

[stoic jacinth]

*1981

i took this when the game was first revealed

[naive flax]

greymoor looks kinda like a wooded area

[chilly nexus]

i hope it has a ludicrous amount of recovery frames for a missed parry to balance it out or smthn

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah similar to just making it useful through them

[chilly nexus]

cuz it doesn't use soul like DDark did (that we know of)

[stoic jacinth]

Well nothing uses soul but yeah i get what you mean

i think the only things that'll use silk are ranged needle attacks that need silk to keep it bound to hornet like the grapple hook-like move, and bind

[coarse leaf]

Crowsworn is actually soo Close to that 1M mark that I'm really surprised

How much did the kickstarter for HK go for? If anyone remembers

[serene chasm]

57k aussie bucks

Plus a bit more through paypal after the fact

[coarse leaf]

So Crowsworn has got the most money from backers like from forever

[serene chasm]

no. games have gotten more

[shy stirrup]

Yooka laylee got like 2.5m

[night silo]

day idk of wanting any updates on ss progress

[stoic jacinth]

1 looking at your message history lol

[serene chasm]

here is your daily ss progress update for Aug 7th 2021; Its being worked on and will come out when ready

[pallid flare]

thank you curly, I appreciate it

[tribal schooner]

why are 90% of the people who frequent this server so snarky?

[pallid flare]

what do you mean

[stoic jacinth]

to be fair the amount of times someone’s asked something along the lines of “is ss out/when is ss coming out” is very large

I’d like to think it’s earned at this point but it’s all up to them in how they handle it I guess

[serene chasm]

We have become old and jaded over the last 20 years waiting for SS

[tribal schooner]

this is what i mean

[pallid flare]

wha?

[barren roost]

I don't know what you're talking about

[tribal schooner]

this

[barren roost]

I think Curly explains it fine

[outer frost]

Garmond and zaza moment

[rose canopy]

silksong yet?

[pallid flare]

yes

[rose canopy]

omg no way

[barren roost]

ignore them

you're right
no way

because it isn't

[sacred stratus]

joy is temporary, the wait for SS is eternal

[rose canopy]

i wanted to be happy for atleast a second

[stoic jacinth]

You can interpret the silence however you’d like

[rose canopy]

welp brb 5 months

[sacred stratus]

the H in "real world" stands for happiness

[viral pivot]

XD

[pallid flare]

hand over the knowledge, cleverbot

[coarse leaf]

well...

[pallid flare]

brb

[ivory quarry]

In a local apple store

W-what is this package contain?!

[reef scarab]

Going to search every Apple store in Australia rn

[ivory quarry]

But is it talking about an actual apple store where it sells apples? Or is it the company where it sells iPhone or iPad?

[runic sequoia]

apple store or Apple store

[ivory quarry]

What's the difference

[pallid flare]

turns out that there's no apple store near me

[runic sequoia]

no idea

[tawdry valley]

“Apple” the company or “apple” the fruit maybe.

Technically a piece of context capitals could provide

[lament gyro]

Guys they did it

[ivory quarry]

Did what?

[runic sequoia]

they did it!?!?!

no way really

[barren roost]

there's a lot of very sad people who respond to @teamcherryganes with "I'll take that as news!"

[lament gyro]

Oh yeah nothing

Wrong timeline

[runic sequoia]

hellp

[pallid flare]

#hk-help for help

[runic sequoia]

hello*

[pallid flare]

oh

[runic sequoia]

small keys

[neat forum]

Day 555 of waiting for silksong release date

[pallid flare]

there have been no news for today

[barren roost]

this has been your daily gonsklis news

[pallid flare]

this has been prooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooy, thanks for watching

[silver oak]

proy?

[pallid flare]

yes

[warm elk]

I have a theory as to how both godhome endings connect to silksong.
Void ending is that hornet goes to the place where silksong happens for the power to stop the void being, she is ambushed along the way (maybe due to being out of the protection of hollownest and becoming weaker due to it) and then starts the adventure of silksong
Flower ending is hornet starts investigating what caused the infection to die and finds the flower, she then starts investigating where it came from and goes to the place where silksong happens to figure out how it caused the death of the infection. she is ambushed along the way (maybe due to being out of the protection of hollownest and becoming weaker due to it) and then starts the adventure of silksong

and maybe from what happens when hornet leaves hollownest, she could forget and we cant figure out what ending happened

since all endings are supposed to be canon

[reef scarab]

I mean it’s not gonna follow any one ending and she probably just gets yoinked from hallownest lol

[warm elk]

that is why i included both godhome endings. I have no way to connect the others though since one of them is hornet being trapped in the temple

[earnest fox]

the bot says I'll know the release date of silksong soon

[warm elk]

hornet might as well be dead there since the void will most certainly kill her

[hidden nacelle]

For sealed siblings, possibly the strange white bug that's seen when hornet breaks from the cage, the cage has a seal of binding, similar to the egg, so maybe that could weaken the seal enough for hornet to escape

[warm elk]

that would work. and the bug could also lead hornet to the flower in the flower ending

those bugs are likely pale beings too, most likely way weaker beings compared to things like the pale king

so they could have some power similar to them

[dim ferry]

When's that new article coming out again? It's not pinned

[tall hinge]

in a few weeks afaik

[pallid flare]

late july

[tall hinge]

[chilly nexus]

all magazines will be finished early next week (the week starting tomorrow), and ETAs for each region will come out shortly after that

[hidden nacelle]

2022 or already late?

[tall hinge]

late

[pallid flare]

july

[tall hinge]

i love your omori banner pyro

[pallid flare]

omori good

thank you

[ivory quarry]

Yo some people here know about omori?

[analog quarry]

out of the loop, which magazines?

[pallid flare]

apwot

[tall hinge]

a profound waste of time - i think?

[pallid flare]

yep

[tall hinge]

[analog forge]

no silksong news though, since the interview was done like a year ago

[analog quarry]

oh wow, i didnt even know about them. im guessing they're doing something in regards to silksong. sounds exciting

[tall hinge]

nope! :)

[analog quarry]

ah okay, well thats disappointing lol

[tall hinge]

ye

[analog forge]

we get one (1) team cherry interview

containing zero (0) new silksong news

[tall hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/809138951575175168.gif?v=1

[pallid flare]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/794907423592415272/873300332879437904/image0_31.gif

me when no news

[tall hinge]

you really went

https://tenor.com/view/error-windows-windows-error-message-windows-application-error-gif-17157659

[reef scarab]

The magazines are finished and started printing a bit ago

I assume they started shipping late July

[serene chasm]

They havent shipped yet.

Update! Word from the printer is that the final magazines are being finished early next week. I'll notify you when that happens with estimated arrival times for each region.

[languid linden]

You'd think that a large magazine would start printing more than a week before it's supposed to be arriving to people's houses

But then again I know nothing about how magazines are made and what kinds of delays can happen

[pallid flare]

i need apwot

[reef scarab]

8 months for one magazine

[tribal merlin]

it's not a "magazine" it's a collectors item

it's not produced like regular magazines at all

[barren roost]

almost certainly not news, you know

[reef scarab]

I wasn’t saying news but they took quite a while lol

[dreamy zenith]

Crowsworn 1 million

[toxic sable]

what's happening with a new interview?

[languid linden]

[nimble pebble]

CS KS has hit 1 million

[cunning geode]

Holy shit

GG

[barren roost]

and two days before it ends, too

[cunning geode]

that’s awesome

[ivory quarry]

Does anyone feel like patting hornet?

[pallid flare]

no

[ivory quarry]

If there's a option to pet someone in ss I will be a happy person

[hollow sedge]

forgot silksong existed

[pallid flare]

pet dog

[barren roost]

welcome back

[trim estuary]

How was the fall

[high hedge]

Would’ve been a nice surprise to have it released when you remembered

[coarse leaf]

Guys I just thought of an incredible idea

[trim estuary]

The Incredibles 3?

[coarse leaf]

You know how team cherry said they are working on another game other than silksong?

[pallid flare]

probably a silknever jole

oh nvm

[serene chasm]

They arent but ok

[pallid flare]

they're collecting ideas for one, yes

[trim estuary]

Foxnever

[coarse leaf]

What if they make a prequel to hollow knight where you play as quirrel

[trim estuary]

Wasn’t there a fan made project for that

[serene chasm]

Im also working on a game in that case

[pallid flare]

they will be done with hollow knight

[pallid flare]

technically

[coarse leaf]

Rlly

[trim estuary]

For around 10-15 years

[trim estuary]

Yeah but it was cancelled

[pallid flare]

yes, tidetale

[coarse leaf]

Dam

Anyways, when silk sussy

[barren roost]

cool
what year do you intend to release it in, sometime this century?

go ahead, say never

[pallid flare]

curlynever

[silver oak]

A wild Leth quote misinterpretation

Found on the Lace theme vid

[pallid flare]

this pains me so much

please tell me that you linked that tweet

[coarse leaf]

[silver oak]

ehhh couldn't be bothered

someone else already told them off anyways

"View one reply"

[pallid flare]

this makes me happy

[tawdry palm]

Holy shit

Jesus christ, why do these things make me so mad?

[coarse leaf]

Can’t believe Leth would lie to us like that smh

[tawdry palm]

Like theres no way that this amount of anger at stupid shit like this is justifiable lol

[silver oak]

the plight of the silksong fan

Speaking of which, do you think Larkin will upload the rest of the soundtrack on his channel like he did with Tofu or whatever

[coarse leaf]

Say that to people who cry over no news for a specific video game in a presentation on youtube

[silver oak]

I looked it up, it's Tohu

[tawdry palm]

tofu

[silver oak]

I was close

[tawdry palm]

he also did it for HK, so yes

[coarse leaf]

Tofu?

[silver oak]

He only uploaded the 2 hidden dreams songs

But he's already released both SS ost songs currently out on his channel

So it's possible

Oh he also did gods and nightmares

[silver oak]

But the base tracks are missing

[tawdry palm]

But yeah, strange that he dosnt have the origional

Regardless, they allowed a full version of the OST on youtube, and havent taken it down

[silver oak]

TC most likely don't care about reuploads

Maybe if Larkin does upload the whole thing they'll change their minds

But they're pretty lenient

When it comes to this stuff

Lmao the Lace theme vid has almost as many views as TC's version of the reveal trailer

2.4 million vs 2.7 million

But the nintendo one still has over a million more than either

[chilly nexus]

the first draft of the script for my vid is done and it's at 9 pages and 5000 words

[silver oak]

What's the topic

[serene chasm]

Guess we will never know

[formal karma]

nice, leaker

[chilly nexus]

I ran away to get chips to celebrate mb

it's the overall story of silksong (+pharloom's folly and then a bit of speculation regarding the game's endings)

( @silver oak in case you also left and still wanted to know )

[silver oak]

Sounds cool

I have a script of a silksong video as well but I’m not sure if I’ll ever make it an actual video

I’ve never made a scripted thing before

[chilly nexus]

same, so far the video is looking like snippets from the trailer and then just general screenshots

hopefully the vocal content will carry it 😅

my goal is to have it up next weekend

[silver oak]

Mines about basically everything TC has told us

Speculation seems hard

So I’m just sticking to the official info

[chilly nexus]

It was tricky but really fun! instead of making a first draft of the script, I started by making a physical mindmap of everything. My rules when going about it were: Do NOT contradict any existing evidence, and minimize the arbitrary. Everything Should lead into something else and be closely grounded in direct evidence. If something has a loose end or takes like 5 connections to be re-grounded in the fundamental evidence, it's too arbitrary

The result was a surprisingly cohesive story about the world of silksong. While I worked on it there were a few audible "Oh my gosh!"-es I let out as I discovered how something tied in to yet another piece of evidence I had nothing on yet

it was lots of: we see this [fact], which alludes to this [speculation], which is consistent with these [now explained fact/evidence]

Hollowknight is on sale on steam 👀 I finish steel heart, will be putting out my SS vid, and HK goes on sale all in the same week... Something is brewing

[left yacht]

Silksong's coming out last Thursday, just you wait.

[stoic jacinth]

i thought they already confirmed the last year release date

[left yacht]

Yeah, they did

[reef scarab]

Hollow Knight is on sale that means Silksong comes out tomorrow

[runic sequoia]

precisely

[serene chasm]

I love reading into things

[wet moss]

lets say, hypothetically speaking, silksong

[valid sable]

Terrible idea, go back to the drawing board

[reef scarab]

Zoteboat

[valid sable]

yes

[coarse leaf]

Reminder: Back Crowsworn if you haven’t already. It ends soon and you’ll get the game for free in the future as well as a wallpaper by pledging $20

[chilly nexus]

Guitar Hero 5: The Strings of Silksong, featuring tracks by Christopher Larkin

[serene chasm]

Not really getting the game for free if you have to give $20. But I digress. But yeah, go back it if you havent and can.

[coarse leaf]

For free in the future

[chilly nexus]

👌

[serene chasm]

Thank you

[chilly nexus]

npnp

[coarse leaf]

And youre not buying it, you’re backing crowsworn development

[serene chasm]

I guess thats the proper way to look at it. My brain just sees it as basically preordering the game.

[heavy magnet]

almost got them animated cutscenes

[serene chasm]

They did. Theyre over 1mil now

[waxen agate]

How we doing

[waxen agate]

Fantastic !

[chrome dragon]

What

[wet moss]

agony

[chrome dragon]

Same

[wet moss]

[serene chasm]

Are we being emo?

[heavy magnet]

emote

[coarse leaf]

[serene chasm]

No. We're gonna listen to my chemical romance, paint our nails black, and complain that society doesnt understand us

[coarse leaf]

That last part is true! Nobody understands Giant Enemy Fool, for Giant Enemy Fool is the most supreme of all life! Whose vast knowledge exceeds the limits and capacities of all others! Those who dare oppose Giant Enemy Fool shall taste nothing but foolish wrath and immense regret!

[ripe remnant]

It’s true, I showed one of GEF’s messages to my friend and look what happened to him

[coarse leaf]

I am just too mighty! Yes, yes, all glory to me. But I have no time for your adulation! I most continue to be Giant Enemy Fool - that alone is a very hard feat to accomplish and maintain! There’s too much power in me, unlimited in fact!

[serene chasm]

That's nice buddy

[coarse leaf]

[ripe remnant]

Rip

[coarse leaf]

[edgy sleet]

once again no news yay

[coarse leaf]

Or, one could say, “lmao dead”

[ripe remnant]

[coarse leaf]

[silver oak]

Help I can't stop listening to the moon theme from ducktales

[barren roost]

how kind

[silver oak]

Here at #sk-discussion we treat our fellow lunatics with respect

[wet moss]

[silver oak]

[barren roost]

well yes, self care is important to me

[wet moss]

mmmm its sooo fluffyyy

[barren roost]

did you just- spoil breaking bad?

[serene chasm]

Not really since he doesnt die in the scene

[silver oak]

What

[frank sparrow]

Huh

[silver oak]

Pardon Me

[barren roost]

is that also a spoiler?

[serene chasm]

Everything is a spoiler

[silver oak]

Dpn

Id od not rmeanr to type that

[serene chasm]

Are you ok?

[silver oak]

Its ertnet fun tpy

*It's

[serene chasm]

Is it?

[barren roost]

you know the answer

[mortal grove]

what is going on here

[valid sable]

ARE YOU OKAY? -Terry Bogard

[silver oak]

Helpo

Belhp

Elo

[mortal grove]

what in the world

is this a cult

[serene chasm]

Yes

[silver oak]

I knew it

[mortal grove]

[silver oak]

I feel like this is not the first time Fool has started a cult

Successfully or unsuccessfully

[reef scarab]

Wanna have a repeat of an earlier conversation

[silver oak]

What is it

[barren roost]

we don't use the c word

[cunning geode]

crow-

[silver oak]

crap

[serene chasm]

you said a naughty word!

[glossy gazelle]

Dafuq

[silver oak]

Please don't send me to the timeout corner

[silver oak]

Ahem:
"It's not funny"

[glossy gazelle]

Alright then

[silver oak]

Hmmmm, now that I think of it

My Hollow Knight thirst is strong right now

Maybe I'll do another run of P5

It's probably been a month since I did that last

I'm listening to Bonebottom and it actually sounds pretty similar to HK's main theme

Random thought, probably just byproduct of having the same composer

But it's kind of interesting

[silver oak]

Aaaaand I died to Sisters of Battle cuz my eyes watered up

[chilly nexus]

when the fight is so beautiful it kills via emotional manipulation and a resultant hindrance of gameplay-ability

[silver oak]

I've died to them like twice ever

They're probably my favorite boss in the game

Up there with the original lords and PV

[naive torrent]

lace bossfight looks amazing

[silver oak]

as it should

[naive torrent]

i would compare moss mother to gruz mother, and lace to hornet

[silver oak]

We've seen 2 boss fights in their entirety so far

[idle swallow]

Lace will be like the hornet boss of ss?

[naive torrent]

i think so

[idle swallow]

Kinda hard and fast early game boss

[silver oak]

And even the "simpler" one is a massive improvement over Gruz Mother

[naive torrent]

because we also get to see a later version of lace in the trailer, implying we get to fight her twice

there's a few seconds of her being fought in a different area

[silver oak]

I don't like to compare across games

But in essence yes, Lace is the Hornet of SS

Themeatically and plot-wise as well as a boss

[mortal grove]

i wanna give hornet sunglasses

[idle swallow]

Ss will need to introduce a new character that could be the protagonist of the next game

[silver oak]

What about a baguette

[mortal grove]

no

[silver oak]

too bad

[mortal grove]

maybe ill make a mod

it will be called hornet but swag

[idle swallow]

When ss comes out someone make a mod which makes her leak void

[naive torrent]

playable lace when

[mortal grove]

no never

[silver oak]

I would bet someone will make a lace skin for Hornet once SS comes out

Hornet skins for the Knight exist

[naive torrent]

when ss comes out someone make a mod which makes her just the knight but a bit taller

[mortal grove]

all i want is a thk skin and crow guy skin

[naive torrent]

what if someone makes a mod that turns hornet into some sort of mantis

that would be cool i think

[silver oak]

The wonderful world of "reskinning"

I don't know if it counts as a mod but sure

It's basically changing one character sprite

[cunning geode]

that counts

[cerulean sable]

ahh yes the sequel hook cycle
"Haha Hornet, I am actually from another foreign land, and now i must go back"

then in fucking Hollow Knight Lacelight or someshit which is set in Lace's home, she finds another rival that would go all:
"Haha Lace, I am actually from another foreign land, and now i must go back"

[naive torrent]

hollow knight: laceface

[silver oak]

And then in Lace's home you meet cloth or some shit

[naive torrent]

that would actually be epic

[mortal grove]

lacelight prequel confirmed?

[silver oak]

And then they go back to Hallownest

And the cycle repeats

Over and over again

For eternity

[naive torrent]

in my opinion, if there's to be a game after ss, it should either continue hornet's adventures, or be a prequel with a setup for the vessel and pale king and stuff

[restive garden]

Fleas are best

[silver oak]

Not even just going around the same loop, they legit make like 100 games for every character in the HK universe

[silver oak]

Death

[restive garden]

Or explain what happens after hollow knight

[naive torrent]

i think it would be cool to play as pure vessel/thk

in a prequel possibly

[mortal grove]

cant wait to play as zote

[restive garden]

Listen up you grub hugger worm lover sack of bumbling flesh. The fleas are better than the grubs and the bees cause the bees need the knees while the fleas transcend the need for knees. As for the grubs all they do is get captured in little bulbs whereas the fleas are free as they can be!

[silver oak]

Is this a pasta I was unaware of

[mortal grove]

Holy shit thats a disstrack

[silver oak]

Or did you actually just right that

Cuz that's actually pretty fire

[cerulean sable]

unpopular but i really wish lace is an actual thing you have to eliminate and not another "shes gonna be nice at the end" shtick considering the diff between the knight vs hornet meetup and the hornet vs lace meetup is that hornet sees it more as a necessity, while lace sees it more like "OMG I AM GONNA FUCKING ENJOY STABBING YOU TO DEATH XD XD XD"

[silver oak]

Spittin' Bars and all that

[tranquil igloo]

frenchnet

[silver oak]

Lace is a Tsundere confirmed

[mortal grove]

i think lace will be nice at the end just to fix pharloom but secretly hates hornet with a burning passion

[restive garden]

When I bored I come here and just talk about the fleas, that's all you see if you look at my message history xD

[cerulean sable]

dunno her "sadistic glee" blurb makes me think she enjoys the murdering part of her job

[mortal grove]

or maybe she backstabs hornet and boom lace 2 fight

[restive garden]

All I wanna do in ss is do some smooth combos and parkour shit cause hornet looks nimble as fuck

[silver oak]

I'm still holding out for a Lace 3

There is no basis to this claim but it sounds cool and I'm sticking with it

[mortal grove]

lace is a girlboss 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯

[restive garden]

Yo who getting the steam deck

[cerulean sable]

personally i think fighting the same boss 3 times with the relatively same moveset (but with addition) might be too much

if however, the 3rd fight involves lace injecting herself with super silk serum and turning into a god like being capable of firing needles from her eye balls or something like that, i think would be ok

[serene chasm]

Getting the 256 one. Q2 is when mine supposed to be shipping

[silver oak]

It's not even in the game, TC releases a free content pack that contains nothing but Ultra-Lace

[restive garden]

I accidentally reserved the expensive one and just went "...fuck it I should be able to save till then...right?"

[serene chasm]

Even if you dont you will get the 5 dollars back (in steam credit at that point)

But I hope you save up enough

[restive garden]

Oh that's good

[restive garden]

On the bright side if silksong comes out the same month then it's ss on the go!

[cerulean sable]

fight up to 40 different bosses, 12 that are unique, 8 that are reskins and the last half is basically boring marmu fights

[restive garden]

Gorb

[cerulean sable]

gorb was actually ok

but some of the "flying ghost with projectile" fights felt a bit filler for me

[silver oak]

It was all backer content, for the constraints they had in implementing those bosses they did pretty well

Elder Hu is inexcusable tho

[restive garden]

I mean like with me every boss had their own unique fight

Zote can fuck off tho

[cerulean sable]

yeah i get that theyre backer bosses

[idle swallow]

Whats wrong with elder hu?

[cerulean sable]

but still falls under the "kinda ok" to "boring" when it comes to them

this is probably a personal thing but sometimes in games, adding them for the sake of adding them kinda takes it away from the game and makes it feel more bloaty

[silver oak]

That's another reason I'm kind of hoping for Silksong to take longer

[frank sparrow]

more bosses?

[idle swallow]

More unique bosses?

[restive garden]

If ya'll in the Mobile discord then spam the dark mode for extra dark

[frank sparrow]

bosses that can beat the shit out of you uniquely?

[silver oak]

Because of HK's rushed production schedule (especially just the base game) a lot of content feels rushed and/or underdeveloped

[restive garden]

Fuck nightmare king grimm

[silver oak]

I want TC to take the time to make every bit of content the standard of the best of Hollow Knight

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah

[mortal grove]

its so ugly lol

[glacial wren]

Hollow Knight Silksong

[restive garden]

It's just black black

[silver oak]

is this sarcasm or agreement

[restive garden]

void black

[cerulean sable]

latter

[silver oak]

I agree

[cerulean sable]

was gonna add like, either make a feature feel with the rest of the games quality, or consider not adding it at all

[silver oak]

I think they did that a lot with HK

Blundering Oberlisk, etc.

Even Forest of Bones to an extent

I wonder what HK would look like with FoB replacing Deepnest and Ancient Basin

[frank sparrow]

[silver oak]

I doubt it would be the same exact content, but what would stay and what would be moved elsewhere?

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah FoB was too big and some shit

they didnt have the time

[silver oak]

I think a big part was FoB made it harder for them to optimize the game

[mortal grove]

what even is a fob

[frank sparrow]

forest of bones

[silver oak]

Fannypack of Bees

[frank sparrow]

that sounds much better

[silver oak]

Freakishly Ovular Buisnessmen

[cerulean sable]

remember that lava area from Silksong?

[mortal grove]

yea

[frank sparrow]

i mean- which one

[cerulean sable]

originally that was part of HK and you couldve entered it from the right side where the King's brand is located

then theyre like "its too much work" then had to scrap it

which is probably where they just integrated it to Silksong

[silver oak]

Thanks

[cerulean sable]

honestly think its for the best

the game was already getting too big

[tardy raft]

god SS FoB looks so much better

[mortal grove]

the knight from silksong 🤯 🤯

it didnt fit imo

[silver oak]

here's an earlier draft of the map layout, with FoB in grey at the bottom

This picture is so cool

[cerulean sable]

honestly makes sense for the abyss to go below the lava area (which would make you think its the lowest level the game could get)

[frank sparrow]

i love how the Hive was at deepnest

[silver oak]

You're probably only saying that cuz you're used to deepnest

[tardy raft]

Deepnest is on that map

[silver oak]

smol

[mortal grove]

how lava next to dark spider pit that doesnt work

[silver oak]

Here's the link to the article I've been pulling these pics from btw https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/10/16/the-making-of-hollow-knight

[tardy raft]

A couple good transition rooms would fix that

[frank sparrow]

hey i used that article for one of my uni assessments