sk-discussion

[pallid flare]

that guy might be screwed

[rustic sundial]

yep

[iron spear]

This is the correct answer

[umbral gazelle]

thank you graig

[heady iron]

question is, will this release before crowsworn

[ocean mulch]

Yes

[pallid flare]

maybe

[sacred stratus]

prolly

[iron spear]

I don't know how long crowsworn will take to make

[pallid flare]

they gave a generous estimate

[iron spear]

I'll do my Kickstarter in a few months hopefully

[heady iron]

12/2023 estimated

[ocean mulch]

Graig what's the name of the game

[iron spear]

I'll currently planning to woo Chris Larkin haha

[ocean mulch]

[pallid flare]

this sounds promising

[heady iron]

steal jj ipsen from MR

[proud vale]

Does he accept Taco bell as payment?

[iron spear]

None in Australia :(

[ocean mulch]

Is Chris a fun guy

[proud vale]

there are!

[umbral gazelle]

does chris speak in notes

[tribal merlin]

I think there was a try to install taco bell in AUS but it failed and closed down or something

[fading lagoon]

Crowsworn’s Kickstarter has 6 days left you should check it

[umbral gazelle]

yeah

[iron spear]

I hope they hit 1mill

[umbral gazelle]

mhm, the intro cinematic looked so cool

[tribal merlin]

take the money and run

[fading lagoon]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mongooserodeo/crowsworn-a-dark-and-mysterious-action-packed-metroidvania

This is the link if anyone is interested
Crowsworn, the game based on hollow Knight, has a Kickstarter campaign with 6 days left

[ocean mulch]

That is called a scam

[heady iron]

Graig you backed the 5500 cad tier didn't you

[ocean mulch]

Let's dew it

[fading lagoon]

My favorite way to spend money

[pallid flare]

"the game based on hollow knight" what

[umbral gazelle]

or, a professional athlete

[heady iron]

to put in your graig boss

[tribal merlin]

yes but that's what kickstarter mostly is for

[proud vale]

Taco bell does exist in australia but it's kind of trash tbh

[signal crag]

Does something goes to Kickstarter itself?

[tall hinge]

its one of it's inspirations so kinda

[iron spear]

I think KS take 10%

[heady iron]

did William and Ari secretly back the boss tier to put Hornet in

[fading lagoon]

It’s 8%

[tribal merlin]

secretly TC is making crowsworn under a different name

[iron spear]

Zote

[heady iron]

pog

[tribal merlin]

they got us good

[signal crag]

Clever trick

[fading lagoon]

Hollow Knight really made a name, so now game are basing on it

[tribal merlin]

if you look at the crowsworn dev pics it's just wilbo, ari and jack with fake moustaches

[ocean mulch]

What's a djacke

[tribal merlin]

dunnoh autocorrect put that word in

[heady iron]

jj ipsen is three chris larkins in a trenchcoat

[proud vale]

Zote... with a gun?

[iron spear]

Plague Zote

[proud vale]

Yooooo now you're talking... with the Life Ender Scythe ™️

[fading lagoon]

Zote the Prince Plague

[iron spear]

Precept 58... Always bring a gun to a sword fight

[heady iron]

Aleks said the sprites for crowsworn take 5x longer to make than hk sprites, basically saying that hk SUCKS, what is TC's official word on this

[proud vale]

That would be a welcome surprise

[iron spear]

How does he know how long HK sprites take lol

[proud vale]

True and do sprites mean the art or does it also include the AI

[heady iron]

what

[proud vale]

Like for if it's a sprite for an enemy

[heady iron]

sprites are just art, ai is code

or in the case of hk """""code"""""

[iron spear]

Already making excuses for having less enemies and bosses smh /s

[sacred stratus]

damn.......

now that's a lot of damage

[heady iron]

Team Cherry officially declares war with Mongoose Rodeo, Matthew "Leth" Griffin breaks down in a local Popeyes, more at 6

[ocean mulch]

The HK sprites are quick

[cerulean sable]

gonna mention it now, i find the pin throw anims to be kinda eh

[ocean mulch]

Okay

[proud vale]

Why's that

[ocean mulch]

Time to crucify taco

[cerulean sable]

she looks weird when she throws it

this is my personal opinion

[ocean mulch]

[cerulean sable]

and my personal opinion == truth

[proud vale]

I think it's meant to be a little discrete and ninja-like

[cerulean sable]

she turns into a < or > sign

[ocean mulch]

How do you know what a ninja looks like when throwing a knife

[proud vale]

I'm afraid I cannot answer

[heady iron]

haven't you watched Boruto's Dad

[proud vale]

yes

[proud vale]

Yeah why do her legs leave the ground

[ocean mulch]

It's the same animation for in air and on ground I think

[normal hinge]

is she clinging to it with her shoulder

[ocean mulch]

She threw it and her arm continued to her right

Cuz energy and motion and stuff

[iron spear]

Making them anim jump is a good idea

That way you can move while casting and it looks fine

Only need a single anim for all states

[proud vale]

ooo I didn't know you could move while using straight pin

[iron spear]

I didn't say that 🤣

[proud vale]

Oh my bad

[iron spear]

It's just a good idea from the start

In general if you have like a slash or something make the character do a lil jump when they do it makes it way easier

[ocean mulch]

Ye

Video games

[proud vale]

Makes sense IG

[ocean mulch]

Huzzah

[copper knot]

because theres straight pin they should also add gay pin

[iron spear]

Let's say you have a 6 frame walk anim. And your hero can slash and walk. Well you need to make 6 different Anims for that so the walk doesn't get interrupted

Or.. you make them do a lil jump. You can interrupt the walk on any frame

Looks fine

[sacred stratus]

Graig giving us some details on SS bois...

[ocean mulch]

No this is normal stuff

[iron spear]

HK cheats by having a 2 frame walk cycle lmao

[sacred stratus]

apparently 2 frames is a lot for the average PC player

[lament mauve]

Man, why does Hornet have quick heal?

[sacred stratus]

bcs the game is more fast paced

[serene chasm]

Causes she's cool

[proud vale]

Because enemies do more damage

[ocean mulch]

They do more damage because quick heal

[sacred stratus]

you can't just make her sit around like a dumass to heal if the enemies are faster and prolly more aggressive

and deal more damage

so you'll prolly need to heal a couple of times in each major fight and it's not convenient with slow heal

[lament mauve]

That’s just makes me feel lame as the Knight.

[serene chasm]

The knight kills Gods. They're far from lame

[lament mauve]

I must say you got me there.

[pallid flare]

but the knight is slow

[lunar burrow]

🇼 🇭 🇪 🇳

[serene chasm]

When done

[pallid flare]

soon

[lament mauve]

Ok.

I want someone to compare the Knight and Hornet on a power level.

[serene chasm]

Goku to Vegeta

[lament mauve]

….sure…

[bleak osprey]

Hello ! Any news about Silksong ?

[proud vale]

Nope!

[bleak osprey]

Thanks, well time to go back in the darkness

[hexed crystal]

It'll release in December. 100% True believe me.

[proud vale]

Graig said two weeks see yall then

[bleak osprey]

Give me hope, it hurt...I like it.

[serene chasm]

I swear to the higher beings. If I see any articles about that

[proud vale]

"Nintendo insider here..."

[coarse leaf]

Silk song will never come out

It’s a sick prank they want us to suffer

[hexed crystal]

.

[normal hinge]

omg is that an original joke 😱

[coarse leaf]

hah, hilarious

[split cypress]

silksong REAL have faith

[normal hinge]

humor is more important than faith

[split cypress]

ok

silksong fake:/

[normal hinge]

yes

acquire comedy

[winged valley]

the knight is deffo more powerful,hornet is a semi pale being so shes probs strong too but the knight can defeat the radiance and becomes the god of gods

[vivid belfry]

Well let's wait and see what kind of insane magic artifacts Hornet absorbs in pharloom

[winged valley]

tru

i wonder will silk song have spells?

[hollow terrace]

“This ancient stone carving has passed down through generations, it has been with us since the founding of Pharloom” “Sweet new upgrade material!”

[winged valley]

hopefully silk song is related to hollow knight more,since i dont want it to be too distant from it

[blazing geyser]

We have the equivalent made with silk. Stuff like gossamer storm or whatever its called, the giant silk spear, etc

[winged valley]

hornet can probs manipulate soul too

[blazing geyser]

Her silk is infused with soul

Smth smth her silk and soul are inseperable wa sstated somewherre

[winged valley]

ah i see

[blazing geyser]

And silk is produced in her shell according to one of her items' descriptions

[winged valley]

honestly controlling hornet will be mega weird at first since im so used to down slash

[normal hinge]

diagonal slash

[winged valley]

tru

i kinda want charms to return but i know that tools
have replaced them

[serene chasm]

Tools are so much better than charms

[winged valley]

but charms are cool too,

tools look dope but i hope they are able to manage it well

[serene chasm]

One can hope. Hopefully better better balanced than charms

[vivid belfry]

Passive tools are basically charms

[hushed wasp]

hornet can use tools because she is void right

[silver oak]

Tools will just add so much more variety and custimization to everyone's game, it's not just "what buffs do you like" it's also "what weapons do you use" and "what crest is your favorite"

[hushed wasp]

Wait, we dont have downslash!?

[winged valley]

nope

[analog forge]

she has a downslash, but not likes the knights downslash.
Its a diagonal

[signal crag]

She has a dive instead of a downslash

[hushed wasp]

Why not
what

[silver oak]

it's like a diagonal downslash

[hushed wasp]

im going to die to the first enemy

[analog forge]

to encourage mobilty

and not staying still right above the enemies head

[hushed wasp]

Do we have upslash though

[winged valley]

yes

[hushed wasp]

Okay thank god

[winged valley]

all slashes are normal cept we have a diagonal downslash that bounces us forward

[vivid belfry]

Incorrect

[hushed wasp]

That actually sounds cool

[winged valley]

watch the reveal trailer and you'll see it in the first few seconds

[vivid belfry]

The bounce can go in any direction and it probably defaults to straight up

[winged valley]

[coarse leaf]

Hey guys, Will Smith here
silksong will not come out

[silver oak]

False

[winged valley]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY WILL SMITH

[vivid belfry]

Also the post-bounce airtime has 3 different animations that are chosen seemingly randomly

[signal crag]

Mostly a visual thing, but still

[vivid belfry]

Entirely a visual thing

[hushed wasp]

About which tools do we know

[vivid belfry]

I would bet the somersault has the most accurate visual to the hitbox

[nimble radish]

pointless visual stuff is fun

[sonic hornet]

Silksoon

[vivid belfry]

Like 10 actives, two of which we know the names, and zero passives

[hushed wasp]

what do they do

[sonic hornet]

I like how TC just defined the concept of the word 'soon'

[vivid belfry]

Pimpillo is a bomb that likely deals self damage, straight pin is a small, horizontal projectile that doesn't pierce

[signal crag]

Blame nintendo for that

[hushed wasp]

There is also a lifeblood needle right

[signal crag]

There’s something that looks like a javelin

[hushed wasp]

syringe*

[signal crag]

From the EDGE article

[jovial gazelle]

Check team cherry Twitter new info

[sonic hornet]

Why tho? Has anything happened that I'm not aware?

[vivid belfry]

Team Cherry never said soon

[sonic hornet]

Oh yeag

Sorry about that

[hushed wasp]

I hope there is a passive that makes the silk bar smaller so that we can heal easier

[signal crag]

Nah, just that at the nintendo treehouse they both labeled silksong as “coming soon”, AND they said that TC was “wrapping it up”.

[coarse leaf]

[coarse leaf]

Nintendo =

[signal crag]

Both things that apparently weren’t true, or just misinformations

[hushed wasp]

Anyone else?

Also, what are crests

[signal crag]

The loadout system of the game

They are things that both give you some passive bonuses, and also have different amount of slots for tools

[vivid belfry]

Crests are like charm notches but way more complicated

[hushed wasp]

ah

[vivid belfry]

Also there seems to already be a passive effect that makes binding take less silk without reducing the maximum capacity

Indicated on the spool by a rung and on a full spool by how much silk is glowing

[signal crag]

Like, 1/3 of silk capacity for 1 mask, for example

[hexed crystal]

Reducing the max capacity is not worth just to heal since your skills use silk

[hushed wasp]

man this game is gonna be so much more complicated

[finite lake]

silksong?

[hushed wasp]

I hope there wont be any meta builds tbh

[vivid belfry]

I think that might have been a crest effect, there was another one that made normal binding cost 8 notches iirc

[signal crag]

There will be meta builds, like any games
Let’s just hope it’s not as drastic as in HK

[vivid belfry]

Of course we never saw what was equipped but there was a screenshot where only 8 notches were glowing

And the spool was broken on top of that

[hushed wasp]

HK meta is literaly just MOP, Quickslash, Shaman & Strength
/ For speedruns FoTF

I def hope it will be less meta based

[vivid belfry]

Mark of pride isn't meta

[signal crag]

Just having options that actually feels valid would be enough for me

[signal crag]

It’s quite good, but yeah, probably not meta

[vivid belfry]

Yeah the problem with the charm system is that they forgor to make the interesting charms good

[hushed wasp]

its in the meta 4 best charms

[hexed crystal]

You have a skill, which doesn't break like tools and don't have limited use but it requires silk. You can change your skill but if I'm correct, you can only have 1. Then there are tools that break when used for sometime and needs repair. And then the passive effects like thorns of agony. They don't break either.

[vivid belfry]

Having straight DPS ups is fine but things like baldur shell and glowing womb REALLY needed some extra benefits to make them worth it

[signal crag]

But a GOOD thing that they done was that, just finding charms in general would eventually make you more powerful, thanks to salubra

[vivid belfry]

You are not correct

[hushed wasp]

I hope Silksong will have useful summoning abilities

weaverlings but good

[hexed crystal]

Oh really?

[vivid belfry]

The summoning red tool being tied to a button press and not costing silk automatically makes it better than glowing womb

[hushed wasp]

There is a confirmed summoning tool??

[signal crag]

Yeah, in the trailer

[hushed wasp]

I am happy :>

[vivid belfry]

Skills probably have the same 3 input system as spells and passive effects are also filed under tools

[proud vale]

Cute little red flies

[hushed wasp]

what timestamp in which trailer

[vivid belfry]

Robot fly bakugan

[hexed crystal]

But there is only one slot for a skill at the screenshot that shows the reaper crest

[hushed wasp]

i will defy the meta in this game

[vivid belfry]

That almost definitely isn't a skill slot

[hushed wasp]

In hollow knight i did everything using the meta
Silksong will be more interesting

[proud vale]

Very true yeah it does have bakugan characteristics

[vivid belfry]

Because the intro crest doesn't have a white slot at all and you can still use silk Lance in the demo

[hushed wasp]

Which trailer has the summon tool btw

[jolly oak]

silksong will have a faster combat mechanic prob

[signal crag]

It’s been a while since i last hear about bakugans

[vivid belfry]

And besides, having to equip things that are confirmed necessary for basic progression would be dumb as hell

[signal crag]

The only trailer there is

[jolly oak]

cuz hornet moveset is kinda like it speedy

[limpid agate]

wasnt there an update for silksong development coming every three months? i havent head anything this year :(

[vivid belfry]

Imagine if descending dark had to be swapped out with vengeful spirit and you had to backtrack to a bench to equip the right one when you get to a spot that needs the other one

[jolly oak]

but I wonder which things they will add for us to collect, cuz hornet will already spawn with some skills

[vivid belfry]

Not a whole lot

[signal crag]

The theory was 6 months, and no, we don’t know when (or if) will get something other than the release date.

[jolly oak]

We will spawn with needle, thats too op

[vivid belfry]

She starts with jump, 4 attacks, bind, and ledge grab and that's it

[hushed wasp]

I really like the zone at 0:27 of the trailer its like greenpath mixed with luma pools from ori

[jolly oak]

too op, we got a needle

[limpid agate]

https://www.teamcherry.com.au/team-cherry-holiday-sign-off/ link doesnt work anymore?

[signal crag]

I only hope she gets the dash and sprint early

[vivid belfry]

5 attacks if you consider the two diagonals to be different attack directions

[hexed crystal]

I think it is, the middle slot. Also you can see a skill above the tools. I assume it is the one that hornet pulls herself to the enemies.

[jolly oak]

ip grabber!! ⚠️

[limpid agate]

lol what

[signal crag]

Ah right, site was updated, so those links are no longer valid

[limpid agate]

its from the google doc pinned here

[jolly oak]

yeah ik, I'm just kidding

[signal crag]

Just go check TC site on google

[vivid belfry]

That isn't confirmed to be a skill and again, equippable movement abilities are a bad idea

[jolly oak]

https://www.teamcherry.com.au/

[vivid belfry]

There's a reason situations like the lifeblood core room and birthplace are super rare occurrences, and it's that necessary backtracking is bad

[hushed wasp]

Am i the only one who thinks this

[vivid belfry]

This was particularly annoying before hidden station was added

[signal crag]

A few times is....alright, but no more than that

[jolly oak]

U guys already got ur money for ss?

[pallid flare]

yes

[signal crag]

Always ready

[vivid belfry]

And I'm not talking about re-exploring old areas like, I'm talking about walking back to a bench and then coming back to the exact same damn place

[pallid flare]

if not then i'll personally run to my bank

[jolly oak]

Im saving up 30$ for 2 years lol, Ik it gonna be cheaper but

[vivid belfry]

You know, like how some people think the basic gameplay loop is going to work with rosary strings

[hushed wasp]

yeah

[signal crag]

I mean, pre order would solve the issue of saving money

[jolly oak]

silksong will release with a off?

[hushed wasp]

In the nintendo announcement trailer for silksong it already looked really polished

[jolly oak]

who knows? only team banana can say it

[hushed wasp]

BTW anyone noticed the buzzsaw ability?? It looked so cool

[pallid flare]

looked

[hushed wasp]

im not english sorry

[pallid flare]

no no

it may have looked polished but it was probably all they had

[hushed wasp]

yeah true

I definitely know that im gonna main that buzzsaw ability however it looked amazing

[jolly oak]

buzzsaw ability gonna be good for prob that ant's colosseum

[hushed wasp]

Im probably gonna main #sk-discussion now that ive done literally everything in hk

so get ready to enjoy my wonderful presence

[jolly oak]

have U spanked that dude?

[hushed wasp]

Probably, because ive done everything

[jolly oak]

Have u spanked bardoon?

[hushed wasp]

yep

[jolly oak]

if no, go do it right now.

[hushed wasp]

God i cant wait

[jolly oak]

I too, I cant wait for zoteboat

[hushed wasp]

The luma pools + greenpath area looks great

the buzzsaw looks great & the minions do, and we can also do that one big AOE attack hornet did in HK

[jolly oak]

my fav area prob gonna be the bone florest or the like coral area

[hushed wasp]

Coral area is what im talking about

[hexed crystal]

Did you just said buzzsaw looks great?

[hushed wasp]

The buzzsaw ability, yes?

[jolly oak]

for me the stabbing ability looks very great

[hexed crystal]

grapple go brr, that's the best for me

[hushed wasp]

There is
a grapple?

[finite lake]

silksong?

[hexed crystal]

kind of

[jolly oak]

it wasnt just a fate?

[hexed crystal]

i know you know it, i just can't explain well

the one that pulls herself to an enemy or a wall

[hushed wasp]

Okay, i think if im gonna discuss silksong any further im going to faint because of excitement and the fact that i still dont know when it releases.. i had silksong wishlisted for like 6 months now

Seeing TBA still gives me nightmares

[hexed crystal]

December 5th, 100% true.

[hushed wasp]

its probably gonna release somewhere in 2022/2023 so im big sad

[hexed crystal]

It won't be 2023

[signal crag]

Bold assumption you have right there

[hushed wasp]

But corona happened

so working on silksong probably went really slowly during those periods

[jolly oak]

if there wasnt corona prob it would release this year

[signal crag]

It will be TBA until it’s not, simplicity itself

[hushed wasp]

Its gonna be 2023 and im sad

[jolly oak]

it gonna be 2050 and I'm sad

[hexed crystal]

I assume they have been working on it for 3 years or so. The worst scenario is mid 2022

[hushed wasp]

It was revealed 2 years ago, and corona happened so about one year of full development

[hexed crystal]

They said they have started 1 year before revealing, or i am completely wrong.

[hushed wasp]

then 2 years of full development (3 but corona happened which made it slow probably)

so yeah end 2022 until mid 2023 its gonna release

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[hushed wasp]

oh

[hexed crystal]

We already have video footage of one of the late game bosses, it won't take that long.

[hushed wasp]

thats interesting
How long did they work on hollow knight

[hexed crystal]

I don't know but they are 3 people, how it can slow it down lol

[hushed wasp]

So 4 ish years
And theyve been working on silksong for 3 years

Okay, then im gonna say late/mid 2022

also they now have more experience with coding n stuff

hmmm

OKAY It will release from late 2021 to late 2022, final guess.

[hexed crystal]

About the skill part, i still think you equip them and have slots. There are like 7 or 8 abilities other than the ledge grab and wall jump.

[signal crag]

TC having a bigger budget for SS doesn’t automatically mean development will be faster

[hexed crystal]

mid 2022*

[signal crag]

Just that they have more creative freedom without having to worry about running out of fundings

[hexed crystal]

And I'm telling you, December 5th 2021.

[azure gorge]

That person is not your friend

[hushed wasp]

When silksong releases im literally gonna enable hide muted chats and then mute most chats in this server

[hexed crystal]

I'm starting to question myself, they could release it earlier.

[hushed wasp]

No spoilers for me

god i am excited

[hexed crystal]

Who is ready to buy it instantly when it releases?

[azure gorge]

I'm waiting for reviews, but after that immediately

[hexed crystal]

Traitor

[azure gorge]

I have unfortunately learned that sometimes even the most trusted companies betray us cough CD projeckt Redkit

[signal crag]

If it’s bad, you can always refund it lol

[hexed crystal]

^

[hushed wasp]

Me

[signal crag]

That’s a VERY different thing from a indie studio tho

[hushed wasp]

as soon as steam mails me i am teleporting to my pc

[hexed crystal]

same lol

[azure gorge]

True, I'm jaded though, every series that I had as exceptions to me "never preorder" rule has betrayed me

[hushed wasp]

Cant preorder silksong yet

[signal crag]

Still, buying it at day 1, almost the same thing

[hushed wasp]

luckily i can buy silksong within like 20 seconds of it releasing if im near my pc

[azure gorge]

Ya, I'm just saying, even for games I'm as excited for as silksong I'm waiting on reviews

[hushed wasp]

they will @ everyone when silksong releases in this server

like thats worthy of #server-announcements

[hexed crystal]

I hope discord doesn't crash

[signal crag]

We WILL make it crash then

[hushed wasp]

200 thousand people flocking to buy a game and be the first to beat it? Yeah discord.exe is not responding

[azure gorge]

I'm so glad that I'm not one of the people competing to be first to beat it lol

[hexed crystal]

The "first one to beat" doesn't include me, I'll mostly play it to relax

[azure gorge]

Way too much pressure

[finite lake]

what?

[signal crag]

Pro tip:
Nobody cares if you beat it first

[hushed wasp]

Same. I will literally go through every corner in the game to find lore n stuff

[hexed crystal]

Unless you speedrun it

[mossy summit]

I've waited this long, there will be no rush to beat it here, but I will be going for maximum completion.

[azure gorge]

Well first to beat it is first to get ending lore stuff

[finite lake]

how long has silksong been in devlepment?

[signal crag]

That’a another thing tho

[azure gorge]

So they can make a YouTube video about it

[hexed crystal]

You heard it

[finite lake]

yes

[hushed wasp]

lore is very subtly hidden in HK
it will also be very sublty hidden in SS

[signal crag]

Unclear, possibly around 3 years.

[hexed crystal]

It can even release earlier who knows

[hexed crystal]

Clear, around 3 years

[finite lake]

silksong could realse tommarow

[azure gorge]

Probably will be even more subtle in silksong

[finite lake]

i had a dream i was playing silksong i was in the clock tower

[hushed wasp]

if it does im gonna /e dance

[hexed crystal]

That's probably going to be like end of the game

[finite lake]

the dream was good

[hexed crystal]

or at least one of the last areas to be discovered

[azure gorge]

Silksong actually released yesterday, team cherry actually hid the ability to purchase it inside a new secret side quest in hollow knight

[hushed wasp]

i had a dream about silksong where we fought the knight, normally i never remember dreams but it was very vivid

[finite lake]

because it a clock tower and in silksong you go up?

[languid linden]

I bet we're going to be very wrong about SS lore in the beginning

[hushed wasp]

sans is ness levels of wrong

[hexed crystal]

mossbag's puppet theory isn't bad in my opinion

[finite lake]

i had a dream on the 17th of june that silksong realsed on the 16th of june

[azure gorge]

Of course we will, but first vids make money

[hushed wasp]

mossbags theory is b a d

[hexed crystal]

then why you go up?

[hushed wasp]

i really dont like the puppet theory but thats me

[hushed wasp]

because you fell down

[finite lake]

puppet theroy?

[languid linden]

Only if you have a decent amount of viewers already

Otherwise the algorithm might not show it to anyone

[sweet lotus]

Silksong'll come out, puppet theory will be destroyed, and mossbag will write it off with a bad joke. that's how it is

[finite lake]

what is the puppet theroy?

[cursive jetty]

Isn't the puppet theory kinda confirmed ?(with the silk that appears when enemies die, and also the robot)

[azure gorge]

But you've got a lot more chance of penetrating the algorithm if you're first

[hexed crystal]

He says that someone is controlling everyone in the kingdom like puppets so that's why you are going up, trying to reach to the hand

[high hedge]

What that everyone’s controlled by strings?

[signal crag]

Also flower theory, the more recent one

[sweet lotus]

the robot boss looks to be indeed a puppet btw

[hexed crystal]

Yes, a silk appears above the enemies when they die

[finite lake]

but the radiance is conntroling everone

[high hedge]

Puppet theory makes sense

[hushed wasp]

This sounds like a super smash brothers theory

[languid linden]

I suppose

[hexed crystal]

Radiance is gone boi

[languid linden]

That was only in Hallownest

[azure gorge]

Don't we already know who is actually controlling everyone and it's like, not via strings, it's the ||radiance||

[hushed wasp]

radiance is die because silksong is a sequel 😠

[finite lake]

i think the machanicl ant boss is a puppet

[azure gorge]

Unless we mean specifically in silksong

[languid linden]

Not necessarily. If it's a prequel she's still alive, and if it's a sequel she's alive in 2/5 endings

[high hedge]

Farloom land doesn’t seem to have the infection

[languid linden]

But yeah, the Infection only existed in Hallownest

[hexed crystal]

Maybe she won the fight against the hollow knight? How do u know?

[hushed wasp]

I refuse to believe the puppet theory

[finite lake]

what is that npc in silksong who opens a door in the trailer?

[high hedge]

Would you do it for a scooby snack?

[fiery coral]

[hexed crystal]

I'll spam clownkin pinging you when it gets confirmed

[hushed wasp]

The actual lore is that hornet is vo-

[sweet lotus]

that's Sherma, my profile pic!

[azure gorge]

Oh, I thought this was a HK theory, I'm not familiar with the silksong theory crafting

[hexed crystal]

because the screen goes black haha

[languid linden]

All endings are equally canon and will be accounted for in future HK material. Therefore if Silksong is a sequel (which is what it seems to be), the radiance is both alive and dead. Schrondinger's Infection :pkyes:

[hexed crystal]

[serene jewel]

Yummy

[hexed crystal]

That means hornet escaped the black egg, somehow...

[hushed wasp]

@fiery coral

[azure gorge]

If it's a sequel ||siblings ending|| can't be canon

[languid linden]

Yeah, Seal Breaking Bugs exist

[brittle garnet]

except my flower theory, of course. That one is 100% accurate.

[hushed wasp]

It could be

[fiery coral]

hello yes

[hushed wasp]

Also, what about a mask only being 3 pieces

[sweet lotus]

what is the flower theory?

[brittle garnet]

[hushed wasp]

Scroll up a bit above my message

[languid linden]

SBBs exist, plus the Pharloom dudes could have magic that breaks seals or something. Also TC can come up with another explanation

[fiery coral]

TC wrote in seal breaking bugs specifically as a workaround for that

[pallid flare]

that's a name i haven't heard in a looong time...

[fiery coral]

...yeah I saw that

[azure gorge]

But no matter which ending, the ||radiance|| is contained and ||The vessel is incapacitated||

[languid linden]

Well to be fair, we don't know if that was their intention

[hexed crystal]

You can always choose the easier way... Cheats

[pallid flare]

spoilers are ok here

[languid linden]

The Knight isn't hollow, so she'd break out eventually again

[fiery coral]

I see no other reason for them to exist

[languid linden]

Yeah you only need to use them in #hk-help

[hushed wasp]

The knight is not hollow meaning the radiance escapes

[brittle garnet]

basically it's a theory about what the deal is with the flowers, roots and pipes
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PuDZwlUvySxSmT177rgdSnTax8cQxiYvFgEbX2aQ-7A/edit

[hexed crystal]

How do you know that? Maybe hollow knight yeeted hornet into the cage

[fiery coral]

than "oh no we said we'd account for all endings and we must stick to that at all costs, even if we have to sacrifice the reason for an ending's existence"

[high hedge]

The radiance gets contained for a while though right?

[hushed wasp]

Small while

[eternal shale]

Do you think silksong would show where hornet got captured

[hexed crystal]

10 minutes

[languid linden]

Yes, but we don't know how long

[languid linden]

Probably not

[high hedge]

Plus I thought the Radiance didn’t have power above the well

[hushed wasp]

Silksong wont answer if its a sequel or prequel, i call it

[brittle garnet]

i want a comic that shows Hornet getting captured

that would be cool

[languid linden]

She does. Most of the bugs in King's Pass and Howling Cliffs are infected

[high hedge]

Ahhh

[sweet lotus]

thanks

[azure gorge]

The entire point of the endings that you defeat the hollow knight and take the radiance into yourself is that you are a perfect vessel and don't have the hollow Knight's flaw

[hexed crystal]

What is the radius of the Radiance's power?

[eternal shale]

if they do though, it would probably show which ending is canon

[fiery coral]

that's what I thought as well

[azure gorge]

So you can contain the radiance

[fiery coral]

but the definition of hollowness is very vague

[azure gorge]

Forever

[fiery coral]

and not a debate I ever want to see again, frankly

[high hedge]

I don’t think you’re hollow if you don’t get that one badge

Whatever the King’s Soul turns into

[hushed wasp]

Team cherry naming the hollow knight ending:

[languid linden]

No. Jinn and Void Heart both explicitly state that the Knight is not hollow, and the Knight makes tons of choices all by themselves

[fiery coral]

it's just so weird for PK to define hollowness as, among other things, "no mind to think" even though (a) his very presence inspires intelligence, and (b) he already knows Void can act on its own

so my thinking is TC weren't really being exact

[fiery coral]

gameplay, Fordo

[high hedge]

The PK isn’t exactly infallible I guess

[azure gorge]

Hollowness is not established as being the requirement. The flaw was established as the failure.

[languid linden]

Void Heart doesn't give TK a will, it uses TK's pre-existing will to unify the Void

[fiery coral]

aside from the Voidheart description most other things can be explained by gameplay

[azure gorge]

The flaw was the hollow Knight's feelings for his father

[fiery coral]

oh no it's becoming what I feared

a hollowness debate

[hushed wasp]

Unique just ban everyone

[languid linden]

The player isn't a canonical entity, so we can't just chalk it up to gameplay

[hexed crystal]

[fiery coral]

...

[languid linden]

Yeah let's move the hollowness debate to #hk-lore

[high hedge]

What if the player is a bug

[hushed wasp]

Hollowness
lmao

[pallid flare]

only if you're hollow EDIT: Message came too late

[high hedge]

I could hollow out a bug

But could I get it to play hollow knight

[hushed wasp]

No because it literally has no mind

you took it brains out, barbarian

[high hedge]

Sacrifices had to be made. No cost too great

[fiery coral]

is it that hard to understand that the game was made for people to play and so exceptions to the lore must be made

a "perfectly hollow" bug wouldn't have a game about it because it couldn't even walk by itself, they need to sacrifice lore accuracy for the video game to even work

[hushed wasp]

No vessel is hollow

[high hedge]

Hollow knight except you can’t actually do anything

[languid linden]

Oh yeah, I do think that TC didn't think quite as much about Hollowness as we do

[fiery coral]

exactly

[high hedge]

You’re not supposed to think about it

[hushed wasp]

like literally, when you kill lost kin it reached out to you

[high hedge]

You’ll get possessed by the radiance

[fiery coral]

they had WL outright describe our Knight as Hollow, and that's enough for me, honestly

[coarse leaf]

TC probably intended the Knight to be hollow.

[hushed wasp]

nah

[coarse leaf]

WL isn't exactly the most reliable source. She couldn't tell THK wasn't hollow at the time.

[hushed wasp]

If its hollow then why does it flail in acid

[azure gorge]

We're in lore already

[high hedge]

Because it hurts

Even void goes “Ooo ouch ah”

[languid linden]

Hollowness goes in #hk-lore

[hushed wasp]

To feel pain you need a mind

[coarse leaf]

You need *nerves.

[hushed wasp]

Nerves are connected to what? Your brain

[coarse leaf]

Vessels don't have a brain.

[hushed wasp]

exactly so why does it feel pa-
wait what

[languid linden]

Vessels don't have brains. They kinda got destroyed and replaced by Void

[coarse leaf]

We see the insides of BV's head. No brain.

[hushed wasp]

how DOES it feel pain ?

[languid linden]

They do have minds though

[coarse leaf]

How does it walk?

[hushed wasp]

Void

[coarse leaf]

So it can feel pain that way too.

[hushed wasp]

oh yeah

[waxen agate]

How are we doing

Still nothin huh

[pallid flare]

[olive bone]

pain

[coarse leaf]

Still nothing about Silksong, I'm so sad, not even some little news. Music, an image, anything, please Team Cherry. We are starving

[pallid flare]

i literally just ate, i am not starving

[nimble radish]

I ate silksong

[left yacht]

Now why'd you go and do that?

[nimble radish]

hunger

[coarse leaf]

I'm in my bones right now.

[languid linden]

At least we have other games

[pallid flare]

you ever heard of this indie gem

[nimble radish]

no, never

[trim estuary]

Shovel Knight? Yeah, it’s great!

[mighty crescent]

Silksong is a myth

[outer frost]

#sk-discussion is off-topic but we also go on tangents related to silksong

[outer frost]

Nice one! Haven't heard that one since yesterday!

[coarse leaf]

Yeah! Like hollow knight, or... Emmm, hollow knight?

[languid linden]

There are hundreds of good games on places like steam

Ori 2 is really good, for example

[coarse leaf]

Steam? Is that a hollow knight secret boss?

[nimble radish]

play Celeste :) || ||

[coarse leaf]

Haha, yeah I know there are plenty. And many amazing ones! I just wish we got some news

[outer frost]

i did and it was fun!

i also cant wait for metroid dread to come out

[languid linden]

Yeah, but maybe they're getting close to being done and don't want to spoil too much?

[surreal mortar]

I like that TC haven’t spoiled too many areas yet

[outer frost]

the least spoiler-y news would be what stage of the game they're working on, which tbh wouldnt be worth the trouble of making a blogpost

[nimble radish]

wheres that leth quote

[surreal mortar]

Leths been real quiet lately

[outer frost]

even the areas they did spoil it was just a couple screenshots

the only areas that got major spoilers were the demo areas

[surreal mortar]

I can’t wait to stumble upon an area I had no idea existed

[outer frost]

or see just how big greymoor is

[surreal mortar]

Which again is why im not watching the launch trailer when it drops

[outer frost]

correct

[pallid flare]

you could sa-

[burnt topaz]

first thing i see when i hop into chat, good day

[coarse leaf]

If they where about to finish we would have a date release with a second trailer, and honestly I have no hope this year will be the one

[outer frost]

if i see its out im getting it and playing it and not watching anything about it

[surreal mortar]

Next news is probably launch trailer anyway

[outer frost]

scrolling through youtubes gonna be a trek though

[surreal mortar]

I just made an alt account that’s not subbed to any hollow knight stuff

[burnt topaz]

Isolate yourself from the world

[outer frost]

im just gonna fill my recommendations with celeste and metroid stuff

[burnt topaz]

eyy celeste

[coarse leaf]

Simply just do not use YouTube

[high hedge]

Wait till a random comment spoils the Silk Wyrm

[outer frost]

[coarse leaf]

Pale king was reborn and he will be the final boss of the ss

Sorry

[languid linden]

I know this is a joke but the Godseeker said he's completely erased

[nimble radish]

pk is the final boss of crowsworn

[outer frost]

y'know im just not gonna look at this group or youtube for like a week after SS drops

[glossy gazelle]

what if prequel

[burnt topaz]

Pale krow obviously

[glossy gazelle]

That was a joke to be clear

[surreal mortar]

Ban

[glossy gazelle]

Bonna fide sequelist here

[coarse leaf]

you’re gonna be deleted

[glossy gazelle]

[coarse leaf]

🦈🪟

[outer frost]

[glossy gazelle]

I’m still betting for beginning of next year for SS’s release

[outer frost]

wouldnt be surprised if it releases this year or next year

[glossy gazelle]

It still could come out this year, But I’m not raising my hopes

[coarse leaf]

If we get it this year, I would be very surprised

[ocean mulch]

I wouldn't

[outer frost]

this year wouldnt be a surprise but i also wouldnt be surprised if it doesnt

would get me more excited if it doesnt come out this year

[coarse leaf]

For a team as small as team cherry, 3 years of development is a small window of time. And if Silksong will be as vast as we imagine, then I believe we have another year of waiting

[outer frost]

if i finish metroid dread and then silksong comes out a week later

wouldnt be counting on it tho since thats like a month away

still would be cool

[coarse leaf]

Ohhhh god, start playing it now then haha

[outer frost]

metroid dread hasnt come out yet

das in october

[coarse leaf]

Damn, why 😫

[outer frost]

seems really cool

all of the games i want arent out yet tho

[coarse leaf]

I have the same issue. I'm also waiting for elden ring. At least we got a date and an amazing trailer

[outer frost]

BOTW2

[coarse leaf]

I don't have a Switch

Wish I could play botw

[outer frost]

botw was fuckin great

[sweet lotus]

I was kind of dehyped with the recent BotW2 trailer

[coarse leaf]

Why?

[outer frost]

cause the 2023 label

[stiff burrow]

Wut, it said 2022

[outer frost]

oh really?

[stiff burrow]

Yes really lol

[outer frost]

guess thats better

[coarse leaf]

Plenty of time for Nintendo to release a good Switch successor haha

[sweet lotus]

I'm not assuming anything really, I just wasn't overly excited of what I saw. Looked rather like a DLC package than a proper sequel.

[burnt topaz]

maybe you'll get more excited when we see proper gameplay and such, I do kinda see what you mean

[coarse leaf]

There's still plenty of time to improve the game. I'm sure the problem is the limits of the Switch. They can't upgrade the graphics or complexity too much

[stiff burrow]

The sky being filled alone doubles the amount of content presumably.
Plus you seem to be able to rewind time and go thorugh walls?
Idk doesn't look like DLC to me whatsoever

[sweet lotus]

I should note that BotW was my #1 vg experience of all time, not saying that lightly. It was revealing

[burnt topaz]

thats very high praise

[outer frost]

I just hope BotW2's story and gameplay is different enough

[stiff burrow]

I'm one of the few people who didn't like BotW that much anyway so maybe I shouldn't talk about it

[burnt topaz]

BotW was pretty good, not nearly my favourite gaming experience though

[sweet lotus]

it's not a graphics matter; it's more like they took the "same map" thing to seriously, and BotW's main attraction (for me) was the wonder of exploring an unknown world. Now a large section of the world looks to be known instead, and I am baffled regarding what will be the game's catch. Still too early to judge though, I'm merely sharing thoughts.

[sweet lotus]

I was living on its beat for weeks.

[sweet lotus]

why you shouldn't? pray tell, BotW was not a flawless game

[coarse leaf]

I understand. It won't be as exciting. Only time will tell. If I'm lucky, maybe one day I will be able to play both

[stiff burrow]

Oh I meant cause I didn't enjoy the first I wouldn't be the best to argue whether the second seems like it has enough new stuff
My main problems were lack of enemy variety, same feeling dungeons among other things. Hope they fix those

Plus that the game gets easier the more you play, not harder, like it should

[burnt topaz]

had the same issues honestly, definitely got my hopes up though

[sweet lotus]

I mean, look at this. Even the bush between the trees.

[serene chasm]

I hope in botw 2 they got back to the classic Zelda dungeons

[sweet lotus]

I sure hope you'll be able to enjoy BotW eventually.

[serene chasm]

Go to dungeon find item kill boss with item use item to explore

[sweet lotus]

Me too, that was one flaw of BotW imo

[stiff burrow]

I also didn't like that when you got better items (defeated guardians?), the enemies in all regions got stronger too
You raise your level and the enemy level at the same time instead of having areas that are just harder and easier overall
Hinders the enjoyment of getting stronger imo

[sweet lotus]

those are some valid criticisms, and the 'game gets easier' one is very very crucial too

[coarse leaf]

Botw is such a beautiful game. I wish we could get it for PC and play it at 120fps, and with more resolution

[sweet lotus]

but I guess that's the price of absolute non-linearity

[serene chasm]

You can

[hasty grotto]

Yo any spoilers PogU?

[sweet lotus]

if supposedly one had Cemu installed on his computer, and had a powerful enough machine, they could enjoy BotW at 4K and 144fps

[stiff burrow]

They could just make every area around the starting point be easier and the further you get away the harder it gets.
Or just have some areas that are really hard from the get go, making you wanna come back later

[sweet lotus]

and they had a legal copy of BotW for the Wii U to load onto a rom

[sweet lotus]

that's a good idea for an open world game, not gonna lie

it did have some harder areas though, like the areas with Guardians or Lynels and such

[stiff burrow]

Of course they did, my main issue is that enemies everywhere scale with you instead of staying the same and just having easier and harder chunks of the map overall

Also that is enough cause this is still ss channel lol

[sweet lotus]

sure

I've driven a lot of off-topic discussion here today 😦

[stiff burrow]

Not like there is much on-topic to talk about anyway

[sweet lotus]

I mean, I had two crown jewels of hype till recently, and after the BotW2 trailer now I've only got one, Silksong

[tall hinge]

[sweet lotus]

I don't care it's taking long, it's like a held-back orgasm

[stiff burrow]

To me it's only Silksong rn
Though my Steam wishlist is full of games with TBA release

[tall hinge]

lol its like teasing except theres no teasing

[coarse leaf]

At least we don't have to wait like geometry dash players lol

[tall hinge]

we dont have to wait? wdym

[coarse leaf]

5 years waiting for an update haha. At least Silksong is a new game

[stiff burrow]

God damn I remember playing GD and even then people were already waiting for the update

[velvet ruin]

2.1 was 2017 right?

[coarse leaf]

I played it about 4 years ago, and I can't believe there's not even a new level or something

[tall hinge]

are they even working on it? what..

[stiff burrow]

The newest sneak peak was January 2020

[coarse leaf]

The GD creator is only one guy. So I guess he's working on it slowly

[reef scarab]

I mean the developer doesn’t have much to gain from an update, GD has kinda fallen off in popularity and it’s not like they’re gonna get many new players

[stiff burrow]

It has still gotten almost 8k reviews in just the last month

92% positive too
The game is getting new players all the time still

[coarse leaf]

Really? I see it being very active, with new user created levels every day. Of course after 5 years people has lost patient

I always say we could be worst. Imagine waiting for half life 3 💀

[stiff burrow]

It's not as gigantic as is used to be but still very active
10k people playing rn

Half Life Alyx was kinda that? Ig

[reef scarab]

A half life three that wasn’t even promised or confirmed?

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, but still not a proper sequel from Valve. The community is strong ngl

[tribal merlin]

nope

[coarse leaf]

Nah, but it was such a loved game that you would think the company would want to exploit the game

[tribal merlin]

one the one hand it's good they're not making hl3 just to milk the franchise, on the other hand a 3rd part would be nice to have

maybe in 10 years or so

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, that's true. Two amazing games? I can live with that

[tall hinge]

why was half life alex not that?

[coarse leaf]

Isn't more like a remake of half life 2? Or I'm wrong?

[sweet lotus]

games like HL3 are so overhyped, it's very very difficult to live up to the legend

I played HL2 when it released, it was absolutely amazing btw'

[tall hinge]

says the silksong enthusiast

[sweet lotus]

maybe two different things?

[tribal merlin]

1. is mostly unrelated to the other hl games, also Gordan Freeman isn't the protagonist
2. only available to VR players which are a small minority of people who dished out a lot of money for a questionable technology

[shy lake]

Yes it will
played the whole day today and a couple hours yesterday, it's really damn good so far.
it's not as nimble as Hollow Knight, but the combat is fair and challenging with similar timing windows as HK.
The platforming and platform puzzles are also really nice, though at the end you might not find something worthwile as often as in HK but then again the platforming itself is pretty fun
I think that might become the next hyped title tbh

[coarse leaf]

Best game of it's generation. The things it did were truly remarkable

[shy lake]

oh, not rly the right channel but I just looked for talk about grime in this server and took the first one

[coarse leaf]

Grime?

[shy lake]

ya

this is the channel for silk song is it not?

[coarse leaf]

Ohhhh yeah. I saw it the other day!

[outer frost]

ok but HL3 legit has no evidence of coming out

[sweet lotus]

before we delve into unreasonable valley, HL3 is a meme nowadays and has been for more than ten years now; not at all the same with Silksong, a sequel to a modern classic on its way, of which we've seen plenty of footage already

[coarse leaf]

Grime looks very appealing. The aesthetic is pretty darn good

[shy lake]

couldn't put the controller away today, it's soulslike combat in 2D, closest would probably be Salt&Sanctuary but that graphical style is just so uncanny valley for me...

[coarse leaf]

Haha yeah, that's why I say we are lucky that team cherry is still on the game and we know that sooner or later it will come out

[coarse leaf]

I like how it looks, although is going for a more traditional aesthetic. The enemies are amazing tho

[tall hinge]

oh i was joking

[shy lake]

anyway I'm out again, just wanted to attest to Grime being quite good. Not sure if you could gauge its core gameplay within steam's 2hr refund limit but I'm pretty confident I won't regret the purchase.
Yeah the enemies are really nice and the way they're animated is fair in regards to reaction timings and stuff. and some of the bosses so far were really well done too

[coarse leaf]

That's what Valve want you to think, HL3 is real, one day valve will learn to count to 3

[outer frost]

[shy lake]

Oh is that the seeker guy? :^)

[ocean mulch]

They'll call it 4 instead of 3

[coarse leaf]

I think it will be a very decent game. Let's hope it live up to the hype

[tall hinge]

i mean... just because of these reasons it doesnt mean half life alex isnt half life 3. i get what you mean but i dont think the fan base is entitled to choose that

but i do get what you mean

[coarse leaf]

Hahaha

[outer frost]

thats fucking gorb get it right ||jk dont get mad||

[coarse leaf]

Don't you dare mistake our god Gorb with anything

[shy lake]

I know, but every time you mention it chat goes
https://tenor.com/view/mousehunt-1997-dreamworks-movie-mousetrap-gif-17579877

pretty much instantly x)

[coarse leaf]

[shy lake]

:^)

[coarse leaf]

Ok people, gotta go. See you all the next time. Let's hope is for Silksong new trailer! Good luck everyone!

[ocean mulch]

I'll steal this gif

It's so useful

[shy lake]

Ikr :)

[serene jewel]

Apwot 2 not even out...

[analog pike]

[pallid flare]

natural progression that one goes through while getting into silksong

[void thicket]

If i have weaver song and wrap it in silk do i have silksong?

[outer frost]

i kinda hope we dont get a trailer

i would rather get a release date in #hk-announcements than a full on trailer spoiling more crap

[normal hinge]

no you have suffocating weaverlings

[void thicket]

Oh well shit

[vivid belfry]

Unfortunately Team Cherry's entire playerbase isn't contained within this discord

[tribal merlin]

I'd be ok if the trailer is just Graig gardening

wearing a Hornet hat

[outer frost]

graig gardens with a hornet hat while the release date floats around like a dvd screen

[tribal merlin]

for authenticity he'd have to cut a bush into the release date shape

50 minute trailer

lots of aussie swearing and Wilbo commenting "stop beating around the bush, Graig"

[outer frost]

[polar olive]

hi

[normal hinge]

hello

[sweet lotus]

hi

[sage berry]

I'm sorry grover but you're not making any sense. recently I've seen like 300 people (for purposes of rationality, im not gonna count the other people I saw and met in my life because there's always a chance they might be dead), and I see like 6 people talking here, so that's already like 2% of the world's population just in this channel (again, I'm not gonna count the other people I've seen in this server because it's possible they don't exist anymore)
so I for one think it would be a very clever financial decision to post the release date in this server and here only (I think they should ignore the other 294 people I mentioned because it's honestly been a little while since I saw them. they might not even be out there anymore)

[languid linden]

Took me half of the message to realize you were joking

[sweet lotus]

release date's gotta be a video

[vivid belfry]

Well my argument is fucking gone now

[heady sandal]

how is silksong

[left yacht]

What has lore done to you?

[sweet lotus]

we don't go to #hk-lore

[left yacht]

Well, I do, but that's my mistake

[languid linden]

Uh...yes...right...

[sweet lotus]

who can find this subtle reference to one of the aforementioned games today here? (no googling!)

[languid linden]

Almost half of my message count is in there

Another almost 6k is here

[copper knot]

[languid linden]

And then 3k are in #hk-discussion, and probably around that much in #hk-help if they weren't purged

[azure gorge]

Lies, the moment I joined the entire player base was here!

[left yacht]

Can't argue with that.

I mean, you can, but it's a bad idea.

[glossy kiln]

Would y'all prefer SS to be focused more on Platforming or Combat?

[left yacht]

Platforming within combat, and vice versa

All the things.

[glossy kiln]

ah yes, Path of pain whilst fighting the radiance

sounds very fun

i wonder if the godseekers will follow hornet to Pharloom to find the gods there

[stoic jacinth]

I just hope it doesn't cross a boundary where the combat is so overhauled it becomes the main focus, and world building is still huge. The Jinn related guys seem like a good step forwards in making it feel like a connected game

[glossy kiln]

I love the platforming in HK and one of my biggest issues is that there arent many places like kings pass, or the white palace, or area before the crystal heart

[stoic jacinth]

ah yes my favorite part of the game white palace

[vivid belfry]

I believe the implication is that, much like hollow knight, the mechanics of platforming and combat will be intertwined

Combat in HK is based in platforming because of the verticality and focus on fast movement

[glossy kiln]

omg i just found out something

[stoic jacinth]

I mean the new downslash thing looks sick, and i can't wait to see how that plays out with platforming

they could take this to a whole new level

[rotund valve]

day 200 of daily silksong news lessgooo

[rancid crow]

have you played silksong demo

demake

https://elvies.itch.io/silksongdemake

[signal crag]

It’s really neat, but also quite bugged

[dreamy zenith]

You'd expect there to be bugs of course

[rancid crow]

at least we have a taste of something

[dreamy zenith]

I might try it

eventually

[outer frost]

i pop back in to a demake

[rancid crow]

sorry i dont know what you mean my english is not that good

[vivid belfry]

I pop back in (I return to the channel)
to a demake (and I see a demake)

Demake: a reimagining of an existing property in lower fidelity than the original

I've only seen this used for videogames but hey maybe it can be applied to other media

[outer frost]

does an october release sound reasonable

[pallid flare]

no

[outer frost]

thats what i thought

[vivid belfry]

Every release is simultaneously reasonable and unreasonable

[outer frost]

depends what time you say it at

[rancid crow]

ok thanks

[rotund valve]

schrodinger's release

[pallid flare]

epic embed fail

[hollow gull]

and the answer to "Why not" is: rules

[limpid jolt]

when is ss coming, wrong answers only

[barren roost]

that's just some other person with your exact name and profile, right fordo?

[hollow gull]

not soon(tm)

enemy sound effects in ss are so good lol

it's nice that even the regular enemies have more personality

[rotund valve]

to me it made sense that the enemies in hk were less sophisticated, considering they were infected by a mind-controlling infection

[hollow gull]

okay <@&283547423706447872> this guy is just posting random yt links at this point

[stoic jacinth]

wow, they really changed up the style for the silksong intro

[pallid flare]

disaster will strike soon

[stoic jacinth]

soon...

[hollow gull]

yeah it does make sense that being haunted by something would have a little less of an effect than a complete mind-controlling infection lol

[stoic jacinth]

I mean the enemy design in SS looks much better in my opinion

Specifically how it's interlaced with HK in some ways, such as the Steel Soul Jinn looking enemies

[brittle garnet]

Silksong is just, overall, way better than HK supposedly

And I can't wait

Well, I can, I just don't want to

[stoic jacinth]

I want to wait longer. This game could be so good and I just like that they don't care it's been a long time, they just continue to put in work and make it better

[brittle garnet]

anyways, this longer than usual silence makes me think it's coming soon

and i will stand by that

[high hedge]

Or maybe it’s just the build up to an even longer stint of silence

I call it “The Hunter x Hunter Conundrum”

[modest sail]

It could also be that there working hard on it and don’t have much to show

[tribal merlin]

if they were that close to finish then why prolong it by HK fixes...

[high hedge]

Ah yes The Omori Phenomenon

[copper knot]

the what

[high hedge]

When communication goes silent due to a lack of visually impressive updates to show

[brittle garnet]

why would they stop working on it and fix HK at all, at any stage of development?

[rotund valve]

the gambler's fallacy

[tribal merlin]

to deliver the fixes in a timely manner. Imo they know SS still takes a while and they don't want to delay the fixes for that amount of time. The fixes don't make any sense if they were almost done.

[high hedge]

Shoot that is the gambler’s fallacy

I prefer the Hunter x Hunter conundrum regardless

[brittle garnet]

maybe they're at a stage of development that doesn't require so much intensive work so they can redirect someone to work on HK

[tall hinge]

is an august 4th release unreasonable

[tribal merlin]

bug fixes and unity updates are for the coder. I don't think Jack is done with SS

[brittle garnet]

can't William code as well?

[tribal merlin]

the code base ist the biggest construction site and goes beyond release

[tribal merlin]

not really. maybe a bit but not to the degree needed for those things

nowhere does it say he's a coder

[brittle garnet]

also, updating HK right now is definitely not "in a timely manner"

[tribal merlin]

if they are in a situation like hypothetically
"we'll be on SS at least 12 more months, so let's just deliver the updates now instead of in a year when we will have to do SS bugfixes at the same time"
then yes it's better

[hollow gull]

so uh, the main leitmotif in the e3 trailer...

is literally carol of the bells, slowed down

[brittle garnet]

the amount of months left doesn't really matter in this instance, as long as they do it before SS releases

[tribal merlin]

it does matter because if they had only 3 months left they could have been at e3

[brittle garnet]

but would they?

[tribal merlin]

so doing HK fixes when they did tells us it's probably a lot longer than that

[brittle garnet]

would they delay development further by attending and preparing something for E3?

[olive bobcat]

It's Dies Irae iirc

[tribal merlin]

I don't see how a release candidate delays development, it's the opposite of that

[brittle garnet]

yeah, the leitmotif is Dies Irae, and carol of the bells uses it as well

wym by release candidate

[stoic jacinth]

Didn't they say that the reason there was nothing at E3 is because they didn't prep for E3 at all? Something like that. I don't think it's any indication of the progress SS has put into it at this point.

[tribal merlin]

referring to my "3 months left" hypothetical scenario

by which I mean "done with the game in 3 months"

[stoic jacinth]

when was this scenario predicted?

[tribal merlin]

just read like 10 messages above

[stoic jacinth]

ah thought it was at some time in the past. mb

[tribal merlin]

no need to restate all arguments again 😉

nah all I'm basically saying is HK updates make sense if the time they need to do them is a fraction of the time left to finish SS.
as opposed to being 100% or 50% of the time left for SS

[untold inlet]

I feel like the reason that there have been all around fewer news releases for SS than HK is because they aren't really necessary this time around

For HK they had to build hype and show their backers that they were getting their money's worth, but for SS they already have a big fan base and don't have to worry about backers

And they probably don't wanna spoil much

So idk how much we can extrapolate from the silence of the past several months

[stoic jacinth]

I think most of the advertisement for the game will come when it's done. After that it'll be bug fixes and optimization.

[tribal merlin]

yeah I don't see what "news" they could show without doing more spoilers

[untold inlet]

Yeah even the Edge interview revealed relatively little

[rotund valve]

there was the whole edge interview

the last judge could probably be quite a spoiler

seems pretty endgame

[tribal merlin]

well they also spoiled that the citadel isn't the final destination

[untold inlet]

Wait wat

[tribal merlin]

which is quite big imo

[untold inlet]

I don't remember that

[tribal merlin]

one stopped the other from going further
was in edge as well

[rotund valve]

ig the citadel not being the final destination is more of just a gameplay spoiler

[brittle garnet]

well, they didn't really say that the Citadel isn't the end

they said that once you reach the Citadel there's still a ways to go

[cursive jetty]

The last judge might be an optional boss separate from the main plot (like grimm or the hive knight)

[rotund valve]

they just said you have to get to the top of the citadel too

one really irrelevant thing i'm looking to see is what happens when you jump in the moss druid's pot

[brittle garnet]

EDGE said what happens

[rotund valve]

did they? i didn't see anything about it

[brittle garnet]

it said that if you stand in it for too long you take damage and respawn next to it

[coarse leaf]

when silksong is out, a bright shining white is going to be in the sky

[acoustic jacinth]

i have silksong news

[coarse leaf]

what i mean by that is our sun will be turned into a fucking white dwarf before the game comes out

[acoustic jacinth]

[rotund valve]

i don't think that's how stars work

[coarse leaf]

our star does not have the required mass to have a supernova

[rotund valve]

idk man i just watched a few kurzgesagt videos

[coarse leaf]

so it will be turned into a white dwarf after a very long time.
but before that earth will be swallowed by the sun, since its volume will be massive.
the sun is increasing in size, until it collapses into a white dwarf

[rotund valve]

oh ok

[coarse leaf]

the game comes out in no time, compared to the unvierses age

[rotund valve]

when silksong comes out it's probably gonna be like the second coming of christ

everywhere will just be silksong

[coarse leaf]

dude legit jesus will come and say #blesssliksong then crucify himself with the nailsmith's hammer
thats whats going to happen when the game releases

[brisk shale]

Any news today

[brittle garnet]

no

[pallid flare]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[ocean mulch]

The first goal is getting to the citadel. When you get there it turns out you have to get to the TOP OF THE CITADEL

[tall hinge]

[ocean mulch]

Imagine that you get there and someone says you have to go to the top of this place too

[pallid flare]

what if the citadel is huge

[ocean mulch]

Now you're talking

[brittle garnet]

that's probably the case

[pallid flare]

twice as big as the rest

[rotund valve]

that's what i'm assuming

[brittle garnet]

I hope the Citadel is like twice the size of any other area

or bigger

[rotund valve]

well didn't they say that greymoor was the largest area they've ever made

[brittle garnet]

they said one of the largest

not the largest

[ocean mulch]

I think the citadel is the gilded city, Seth's arena, flower town

[brittle garnet]

flower town? what?

[ocean mulch]

Oh I don't mean literally town

[pallid flare]

lace's flower garden?

[brittle garnet]

I think Seth is an optional bossfight

[ocean mulch]

The area the bugs are carrying you to in the opening

[tall hinge]

the citadel is twice as big as silksong

[brittle garnet]

I mean, we were shown a couple screens of the Citadel and TC called it a glimpse

[rotund valve]

the citadel warps time and space

[tall hinge]

[rotund valve]

we can't be sure that those are the citadel though

[ocean mulch]

I don't think the citadel will be like one area

I think more like kingdom's edge and the hive where you buy one map but even that not sure

[shy stirrup]

Wait do you not get the map for hive if you don’t have the map for ke?

[hushed wasp]

Bro silksong is now like the third/fourth most wishlisted game on steam

[ocean mulch]

I find it really interesting how Ari is making unique assets and looks for separate parts of areas. We've seen 4 very different versions of the coral forest for example.

[crude galleon]

[ocean mulch]

[shy stirrup]

What’s 1st

[hushed wasp]

idk

[valid sable]

I think it's 5th. Top is Dying Light 2.

[crude galleon]

What's that

[pallid flare]

that's a great question

[valid sable]

Open world zombie game with parkour, the first one's pretty good.

[crude galleon]

Oh ok

Parkour zombi game sounds lit

[silver oak]

It's 3rd

2nd is party animals

[crude galleon]

What is that

[silver oak]

Ever heard of gang beasts

[pallid flare]

gang beasts but animal

[crude galleon]

It's a sequel?

[silver oak]

It's like gang beasts but teams

[valid sable]

https://i.imgur.com/hL1uD8P.png (top wishlisted according to Steam)

[crude galleon]

Oh ok that also sounds lit

[silver oak]

Oh that changed

It is 5th ig