sk-discussion

[proud vale]

And also if returning players are gonna get bored just because the game isn’t hard they shouldn’t play it - it’s not all about difficulty its about world building and exploration

[nimble pebble]

No Great Knights were banished the kingdom crumbled and they went their separate ways, some died some live in isolation etc etc

[next vector]

Tbh HK is not a hard game except for the pantheons i think

[rotund valve]

i wouldn't say hk is hard, i'd definitely say it's challenging

[next vector]

yeah thats what i meant but im not too good at explaining

[rotund valve]

i feel like hard implies frustration

[proud vale]

If people will get bored they can beat the game and go play steelsoul

[fleet temple]

also ss being easy for newcomers doesn't mean that's impossible as long as they treat them like completely new characters and only make minor references to hk (which should be easy considering they're dead (unless you think it's a prequel))

[next vector]

Yeah I'm thinking SS as a prequel

[nimble pebble]

🐸

[fleet temple]

[next vector]

or what if hornet is captured after the sealed siblings ending? but idk

[proud vale]

Yeah fairly sure it’s not a prequel unfortunately

[nimble pebble]

Sealed siblings ending is possible

[next vector]

the problem here is that sealed siblings is not the true ending, in fact no one of the endings are true endings

[nimble pebble]

Seal breaker bugs exist

inconsequential

[fleet temple]

correction: ALL endings are true endings with no one correct one

[next vector]

Ohh ty for correcting

[high hedge]

Silksong but it’s exclusively Steel Soul mode

[valid sable]

I hate that all endings are canon, it's so limiting for certain things.

[high hedge]

You would think that’s the opposite of limiting

[silver oak]

Easy
Hornet is trapped inside the black egg temple in sealed siblings, her identical twin sister who is also named Hornet attempts to rescue her. She goes to the temple but cannot get outside, and she is mistaken for her twin, captured and brought to Pharloom.

[next vector]

But it's the same point I think, if SS was after the sealed siblings ending, it would have higher priority and thats what the devs dont want I think

[fleet temple]

i get that

[nimble pebble]

All choices are canon as well meaning if a character dies it can't come back in SS or else that invalidates the choice to let them die

[left yacht]

Lore

[high hedge]

*Her sister goes by Horny

[fleet temple]

a part of me still wants to fight the shade lord

[next vector]

So SS will be a sequel or a prequel?

[fleet temple]

[nimble pebble]

It wouldn't it simply has an explanation as to why it's all possible from any ending

[high hedge]

If it’s a Prequel Zote can be in it

[silver oak]

If it's a sequel Zote can be in it

[high hedge]

Then that means he canonically survives Hollow Knight

Even if you can choose to let him die

[silver oak]

Yes

[next vector]

but if SS occurs after sealed siblings, then it would become the correct true ending

[high hedge]

I’m okay with that

[vivid belfry]

Here's my metaphor for silksong following all endings

[high hedge]

Hornet just kills herself then respawns outside of course

[vivid belfry]

Imagine a branch that forks into five paths

[nimble pebble]

We wouldn't know anyway also it doesn't make Sealed siblings the correct true ending it makes it the one that SS follows in this scenario

[high hedge]

That would make Silksong a hypothetical

[vivid belfry]

There's a 5-inch long stretch of each branch that are identical and lined up with each other, but other than that, the branches are different

[next vector]

Come on... if SS is next to sealed siblings then it will have more priority or be more important

because its the way the history continues

[vivid belfry]

Those identical, concurrent branches are silksong

And by looking at JUST silksong, it's impossible to tell which branch you're on

[high hedge]

Well she’s not in an egg

[valid sable]

Imagine you get to choose the ending you got in Hollow Knight at the start of Silksong, and they give an explanation for each one. God I want that if it's a sequel, lol.

[nimble pebble]

Not really

[silver oak]

Quantum Silksong

[nimble pebble]

#sk-discussion message

[next vector]

She's trapped at the end of the trailer, which means that she couldn't defend herself at some point, AKA sealed siblings

[next vector]

that would be insane

[high hedge]

In one version the Shade Lord just gives you a thumbs up

[nimble pebble]

That doesn't mean Sealed Siblings at all

It's an energy draining seal

[high hedge]

If only Matpat were here

[nimble pebble]

[vivid belfry]

Hornet can lose under any circumstance when the opposition is cheating

[nimble pebble]

^

[untold inlet]

if it's really a chronological sequel... i think in all 5 hollow knight endings, you could cook up a plausible explanation for the fact that the infection is contained/defeated, so that could be a common thread for the sequel to build off of

[vivid belfry]

She's strong but she's not God

[high hedge]

Matpat’s brain is void he perfectly understands Hollow Knight

[edgy sleet]

news today?

[nimble pebble]

The only thing SS needs is for hornet to get nabbed and it's possible from all endings

[high hedge]

No Silksong yet

[next vector]

Well, its the only one of the six endings that has a unconsious hornet

[untold inlet]

well it's questionable from sealed siblings

[high hedge]

Why does one branch go backwards

[nimble pebble]

She doesn't need to be unconscious for the citadel bugs to just ambush her and take her

[silver oak]

Don't question the branch

[untold inlet]

also i meant that you could have hornet making vague references to the fact that her home was dealing with some affliction that got defeated

[high hedge]

Fair

[untold inlet]

tho that might be spoilers for people who haven't played hk so

[high hedge]

I assume anyone in the Silksong channel has played Hollow Knight

[next vector]

She can use silk and run easily, but thats hypothetical as everything we are talking about

[high hedge]

Or moved beyond the fear of spoilers

[nimble pebble]

Hornet is likely to only reference things of her past such as the weavers since it relates to Pharloom and Hallownest in that regard

[vivid belfry]

Here's how to tell if it's possible for hornet to get captured: she gets captured

[nimble pebble]

Do you not understand the word ambush

[nimble pebble]

this tbh

[vivid belfry]

If every ending is canon and silksong is a sequel, that happens

[next vector]

If we are talking about Hornet I don't

[vivid belfry]

There is no further justification needed

[nimble pebble]

[high hedge]

Hornet got ambushed by the death of her mother

[vivid belfry]

Team Cherry doesn't need to make a comic for every ending explaining HOW it happened, it just did

[silver oak]

If every ending is canon and silksong is a prequel, she still gets captured

[fleet temple]

the hollow stickmin collection

[nimble pebble]

Agreed

[next vector]

why would it be a comic?

[high hedge]

Obviously it’d be a separate game

Hollow Song

[silver oak]

Get Captured simulator

[valid sable]

That's just lame storytelling to me

[silver oak]

Sounds really bad

[vivid belfry]

Well they're not gonna put 5 cutscenes spoiling every ending of the first game in the sequel

[high hedge]

First person vr: You Are Hornet

[untold inlet]

that's true, the weavers are probably one thing we can reliably expect from hk to be expanded upon and i'm really excited for that

[high hedge]

Should people worry about spoilers in a sequel

[vivid belfry]

Comics are the only way they would be able to address it because they can't do it in the canon of the game without canonizing a single ending

[silver oak]

Freeze Frame Record Scratch Hi. You're probably wondering how I got into this situation.

[untold inlet]

ss could actually go all-in on the weaver lore and it'd still be ok for people who haven't played hk, because hk only has slight references to the weavers so nothing would really be spoiled

[nimble pebble]

They should if it's standalone and HK doesn't need to be played to play SS

[silver oak]

Which they have stated is their intent many times before

[vivid belfry]

The plot of HK basically doesn't matter to SS with the possible exception of hornet's mother dying

[high hedge]

I doubt Hornet would talk much about the events of the first game anyway

[vivid belfry]

That's the only thing that could MAYBE get brought up in a sequel

[nimble pebble]

[silver oak]

I would include the weavers leaving and then returning

[vivid belfry]

Well that doesn't really apply to the events of the game's story, it's just a thing that happens in the background

The knight isn't involved

[high hedge]

Hornet just randomly talks about Myla to another character

“Yeah it was pretty tragic, but anyway what were we talking about?”

[valid sable]

There's no winning, sequel makes it lame to me with how they want to do it, prequel makes it weird, Silksong is now a midquel

[analog forge]

to hornet, myla is just another miner sucumbing to the infection

to the player, myla is one of the few characters in the game dying.

[fiery coral]

does Hornet even know Myla

[next vector]

ss will be prequel imo.

[analog forge]

Im sure she's vaugely aware of her existence

I like to think hornet keeps tabs on the living members of hallownest

[high hedge]

Hornet hears about all sorts of things

“Ps do you guys take geo?”

[fleet temple]

ok look, i'm just gonna say it, i wish ss took off from etv, there's so much potential there with thk and the shade lord, i bet his fight would've been so fun in the hornet dlc but tc wanted to appeal to newcomers so that whole plotline got abandoned which kinda sucks

[fiery coral]

fair

[analog forge]

I think its less an appeal to newcomers and more about making the canonical ending fucking dumb and bullshit to get is kinda dumb and bullshit

[next vector]

and thats why SS won't be a sequel!

[analog forge]

ETV is not a fair ending to acheive

[nimble pebble]

THK and Hornet weren't going to fight though

[fleet temple]

i know, i wanted them to team up

[silver oak]

Etv is the only achievement I don't have, it totally destroyed my motivation for the game

[nimble pebble]

That do sound cool I agree

[silver oak]

Sibling trio lets gooooo

[analog forge]

there'd be nothing to team up against

[wet moss]

2 more months until silksong

[nimble pebble]

ETV is more an endurance grind than anything

[silver oak]

The system

[fiery coral]

entirety of Pharloom-

[analog forge]

The knight fucking kills everything in hallownest before etv

[fleet temple]

well then i don't get why tc would make cliffhangery endings

[fiery coral]

Knight and THK sprint to Pharloom to rescue Hornet

[nimble pebble]

Because they can

[analog forge]

and the system?
the system is fucking dead, literally the monarchy is dismantled.
If anything, hornet and THK ARE the system now

[silver oak]

to fuck with you, specifically

[vivid belfry]

It doesn't matter WHICH ending silksong follows because the fallout of hallownest's conclusion, whatever it is, won't be relevant in pharloom

[next vector]

Prequel gang

[serene jewel]

Because they can - 0 IQ answer

[fleet temple]

i think it was probably gonna lead into the hornet dlc but that was changed when they started working on ss

[nimble pebble]

Are they using shunpo?

[fiery coral]

I'll assume I know what you are referring to and say

[nimble pebble]

100000000 IQ answer, TC likes to troll especially Wilbo

[silver oak]

I honestly think having to build Hornet dlc into Hallownest would be so much more of a headache than it is right now in terms of endings

[nimble pebble]

It was always planned as SS post HK only during the KS was it hornet dlc

[fleet temple]

i know but it had a good setup

[vivid belfry]

That's what's so great about basically not needing to care about the first game's continuity

[fleet temple]

KS?

[nimble pebble]

Kickstarter

[fleet temple]

ohhhhh

[silver oak]

I mean I was joking earlier but it really might as well be a completely different Hornet

[vivid belfry]

These things are true:
-the knight is gone in one way or another
-herrah is dead
-the weavers fled hallownest
I can't think of anything else hornet or pharloom would care about

[fleet temple]

so i guess the point of etv ending was just "eh why not?"

[nimble pebble]

SS development started along side the HK DLC as a side project later the main project just before godmaster came out

[fiery coral]

entirety of Godmaster feels like that

[silver oak]

But she's gotta discover her past ooooooo

[vivid belfry]

Exactly, deepnest shit and nothing else

[nimble pebble]

seems like it

[fleet temple]

yeah, i know i'm saying that that kinda sucks as someone who thought the shade lord would've been a cool bossfight

[nimble pebble]

Spider dance party

[vivid belfry]

The THK fakeout is a meta teaser for silksong but not an actual cliffhanger

[nimble pebble]

SL probably just vibin

[silver oak]

Silksong end credits scene

[fleet temple]

Probably just wanted to justify making an extremely difficult boss rush

[fleet temple]

?

[vivid belfry]

10 bucks that interaction goes like this:
THK: "..."
Hornet: "oh shit I thought you were a threat or something"
Awkward coughs abound

But it's a meta teaser because the last shot is hornet getting ready for action

[nimble pebble]

100% agree

[silver oak]

Hey Shandow
I haven't seen you in a good while

same

[vivid belfry]

Very last shot in the first game is hornet getting ready for battle -> next HK content is hornet in battle

It works the same as the cabinet to bedroom door transition from the seminal potato chip scene in death note

[fiery coral]

the what

[fleet temple]

that's a massive stretch

let's just say it's bad storytelling

[vivid belfry]

These things are correlated enough to create a logic throughline even though they don't directly follow each other

[silver oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNXNJGvaFk

This seems relevent

[vivid belfry]

There's shit cut out in the transition because it doesn't really matter

[silver oak]

Also I can never remember how to just post the link without having the embed pop up

[vivid belfry]

How does the "conflict" between THK and hornet shake out? Who really cares

[fiery coral]

why wouldn't a player care

[silver oak]

Hornet wins, the end

[fleet temple]

honestly i don't understand what you're saying, it just sounds like you don't want to admit that tc aren;t %100 perfect gods

[vivid belfry]

I mean it's an exciting prospect if you don't think about the logistics of it

[serene chasm]

What we talking aboot?

[vivid belfry]

But THK and hornet have no reason to fight and THK is a crippled old fuck using a walking stick

[fiery coral]

The pointlessness of the EtV ending

[vivid belfry]

So it's either THK getting massacred with no stakes or hornet realizing there's not actually any danger and awkwardly putting the knife down

[silver oak]

skadoosh

[vivid belfry]

Like, it's a cool shot, but it's not actually a cliffhanger that needs to be explained

[silver oak]

So basically what you're saying is there's no point to any of this

[fleet temple]

i imagined it like this: after etv hornet and thk get captured because they think thk also can produce silk, later in the game you find him and free him, then he becomes an npc in bonebottom or something, maybe even helps with the final boss, and maybe and alternate ending would be against the shade lord or something idk

[serene chasm]

Hornet and THK hug and then THK helps rebuild Hallownest with elderbug and the other citizens of hallownest. After discovering that Hornet got kidnapped, they leave to rescue her. (insert HK 3 here)

[ember geode]

If the radiance disappeared, then why does thk prepare to fight with hornet

[fiery coral]

but then why have that happen in the first place, if not to find some reason to justify the presence of a tedious boss rush

[fleet temple]

exactly

[ember geode]

Btw since radiance is also gone does that mean myla is alive? (If you didn’t kill her)

[vivid belfry]

Only if you think the events of the game have no purpose

[fleet temple]

it is if it's not followed up on

[nimble pebble]

it stumbles like an old man who can't walk without its cane then uses it's nail as a cane

[vivid belfry]

Like, plotlines not feeding into silksong doesn't make them weightless

[fiery coral]

the "Hornet prepares to battle with THK -> teaser for how Hornet prepares to battle with whoever's in Pharloom" seems like a very tenuous link to me

[fleet temple]

tc kinda dug themselves a hole with that one

[vivid belfry]

I mean, there's not really any logical explanation for why hornet would fight THK

[nimble pebble]

Godseeker mode not even canon bro

[vivid belfry]

She JUST saw the infection disappear with her own eyes 2 seconds ago

[silver oak]

HK 3 is a Political Strategy game where you play as a candidate in Hallownest's first democratic election

[fleet temple]

I"M NOT SAYING SHE DOES

[ember geode]

Siblings you know

[silver oak]

Real change in direction for the series

[ember geode]

fighting each other and killing everyone they see smh

[nimble pebble]

No Logical reason for THK to fight hornet either, not that it could

[ember geode]

He needs soul to regain his health

[nimble pebble]

THK literally has world sense it would know who hornet is

[silver oak]

Again, our final point is that there is no point

[nimble pebble]

So we all agree then

[vivid belfry]

There's not really any deeper meaning to the final shot of ETV, it serves 2 purposes:

1. quickly establish THK is still alive
2. hornet is still cool and there's a game coming out about her (and you should buy it)

[fleet temple]

etv is just there as a justification for why p5 exists

[nimble pebble]

P5 would still exist without ETV ending, just less people would do it

[silver oak]

Nah Hornet sucks

She can't be cool and also suck

[nimble pebble]

Nah it's confirmed not canon

It stabs itself

[high hedge]

Doesn’t it make sense that the hardest ending to earn would have the most merit for a sequel?

[fiery coral]

ah, it stabs itself, then heals back the damage it took using the soul it gained from damaging itself

makes perfect sense

[high hedge]

Like earned reward

[vivid belfry]

No

[silver oak]

but then it neither gained nor lost soul and there was no point

so now we're into negative soul

not really helping THK's case here

Healing with credit

[high hedge]

THK just needs to take out a loan

[fleet temple]

but anyways i think we can all agree that etv is bad reson to justify something existing and tc aren't the amazing untouchable gods that do everything correct like everyone says they are

[silver oak]

Team Cherry sucks! Yeah! Rebel against the system!

[vivid belfry]

Bro I don't even know what you're trying to say

[silver oak]

silksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksilksong

[nimble pebble]

#sk-discussion message

[reef scarab]

bro team cherry are higher beings what are you talking about

[vivid belfry]

EtV doesn't exist to justify boss rush, most people do it just... because

[high hedge]

New ending specifically to lead into Silksong

[fleet temple]

so why does etv exist then hmmmm?

[high hedge]

A reward

[nimble pebble]

ETV is my preferred ending

[fleet temple]

same

[high hedge]

For being cool

[vivid belfry]

Because you kill radiance at the end

[reef scarab]

THK replaces dummy godseeker at the end for surviving

[fiery coral]

disagree, I think without the incentive of an ending an even lower percentage of players would have done it

[vivid belfry]

EtV doesn't justify the existence of godhome, the structure of godhome necessitates an ending

[high hedge]

People still wanted the boss rush regardless

It’s for all those players seeking a challenge

[fiery coral]

even for boss rushes, P5 is the one I see most complaints about

[nimble pebble]

People even now want a bossrush for SS

[vivid belfry]

It's literally because boss death tracking doesn't work correctly

[high hedge]

Just get good

[fiery coral]

[vivid belfry]

Dream bosses are absolutely fucked

[nimble pebble]

P5 is too much of an endurance grind and while I've done it with individual bindings it should only really be the 10 hardest bosses of the game

[high hedge]

Or download a mod and avoid all the damage

[fleet temple]

yes, the best reward, a short cutscene that you can look up on youtube, gives you nothing and doesn't even exist to promote ss which is already gonna take 7 years to release because tc are too narcissistic to hire more coders to make it go faster (i don't belive in that last statement, i'm just angry and want to fight shade lord)

[high hedge]

Clearly it means something if people are upset about it being hard to attain

[fleet temple]

they don't mean the cutscnene, they defeating absrad

[vivid belfry]

The only way to buff elder hu is delete shade cloak from the game

[high hedge]

Also “gives you nothing” you forgot the sense of smug satisfaction

[fiery coral]

personally I find it egregious because of the fact it locks an ending (two if you count the slightly different version as separate), and a """new""" boss behind it

[fleet temple]

that's not a good reward though

[fiery coral]

oh and there's also a trophy for it so have fun completionists

[fiery coral]

that's not really a significant reward is it

[fleet temple]

i think ss finally broke me

[high hedge]

It’s bug souls for a reason, if you’re not up for the challenge it’s on YouTube

[coarse leaf]

P5 is overly hated and complained about

[high hedge]

By scrubs who didn’t cheat like me

[serene chasm]

EA thinks it is

[fiery coral]

can't wait for developers to have absolutely no rewards at the end of any challenges in their games and say "but it was satisfying wasn't it"

[fleet temple]

quick question: would anyone want to fight shade lord
respond with and

[fiery coral]

"no? well then don't do it, it's on YouTube, look it up or git gud"

[high hedge]

If you 100% a game any in game reward afterwards is essentially pointless as you’ve finished it

[reef scarab]

smh that’s a skill issue

[high hedge]

A cutscene leaves something with you in the real world. The experience

[serene chasm]

P5 bad

[fiery coral]

at least it'd be an actually new boss unlike Rad-but-Nyoom™️

[high hedge]

What did you expect TC to venmo you 5$ for beating it?

[nimble pebble]

What reward is there for beating a game besides beating it

[fleet temple]

i mean in ss

[serene chasm]

Make it 10 and yes

[high hedge]

New Game + skins of course

[coarse leaf]

is it out

[fleet temple]

no

[coarse leaf]

back to sleep then

[high hedge]

One day

[fleet temple]

i think i need to take a ss break

[serene jewel]

check the TC twitter Jesus

[high hedge]

And yet it hasn’t even come out yet. Cabin fever time

[fiery coral]

My point was that P5 locks too much behind it for how difficult and frankly badly/lazily designed it is; the rest was in response to your message about the cutscene giving the player satisfaction

[nimble pebble]

SL or LoS are TK in different variations in the case of SL given focus to the unified void

[high hedge]

For many games the reward is a checked box. As for design

[barren roost]

I agree

[nimble pebble]

The nightmare grimm kin have the flame pillar attack and that's where he gets it from

Also the first half of P2 section of P5 is complete obsolete trash

[high hedge]

It’s the ultimate challenge for the try hard fans. If you can’t beat it there’s still plenty more to godseeker. You’re not missing out on much at all. What’s wrong with giving a lil fan service to the maddest of lads

A treasure for the cream of the crop

[nimble pebble]

Yeah

[fiery coral]

thing with bosses like Soul Tyrant, Failed Champion, Lost Kin, White Defender, and Nightmare King Grimm is that they're relatively much easier to access; you got the dreamnail? you can now fight a stronger version of certain bosses

however, with AbsBad the problem is they lock that trash behind the 5 Pantheons, and barely do anything to the fight. I expected a better boss as a reward due to (a) how much you do to get to her, and (b) the precedent set by the previous Pantheon exclusive bosses, those being O&M, Sheo, Sly and PV, who are all pretty unique and great

[nimble pebble]

Ascended gorb you say

[fiery coral]

I would say two endings, a boss and an achievement is more than a little fan service

[reef scarab]

skill issue

[fiery coral]

I know!

I am very aware of the fact that I am a casual

[nimble pebble]

I feel excluding AB since they're a pain in the ass, anything in godhome can be beaten with enough practice, of course it would depend if you want to put that much practice in

[analog forge]

its one ending

[nimble pebble]

Or however much practice you would need

[bronze jetty]

Today we are 901 days without news from Silksong!

[analog forge]

Its an ending with a variant

[reef scarab]

I mean we’ve gotten news

[nimble pebble]

We got news 8 months ago that's far less than 901

[high hedge]

You’re right, but that still sounded so cope

[analog forge]

last we got news was 9000 days ago

[fiery coral]

*an ending with a variant, both of which don't have much of a reason to exist story wise as we discussed earlier

[reef scarab]

missed the six month drop

[serene chasm]

So does this p5 talk have anything to do with SS? or did it just come up?

[analog forge]

yes, its been 30 years since we've gotten news

[bronze jetty]

I mean news that doesn't come from magazines

[fleet temple]

yes if you only count the trailer

[fiery coral]

it came up from the EtV ending

[bronze jetty]

I mean news that doesn't come from magazines

[nimble pebble]

The riddles happened

[serene chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sleep-its-been84years-titanic-gif-13077787

[reef scarab]

We’ve still gotten news

[nimble pebble]

And they are confirmed news

[bronze jetty]

I mean news that doesn't come from magazines

[high hedge]

Look if it’s not animated it doesn’t exist

[bronze jetty]

and without riddles

[serene chasm]

SS isnt gonna follow any ending so why does all this matter?

[high hedge]

And enemies revealed

[nimble pebble]

You can't just nitpick what's news and what isn't especially since this stuff is confirmed news by TC

[reef scarab]

blogpost

[fiery coral]

ignoring all the news we got, we haven't gotten any news

[nimble pebble]

[bronze jetty]

alright

[analog forge]

this is blatant no true scotsman

[reef scarab]

Are you not counting the E3 gameplay either?

[fleet temple]

and blogposts

[nimble pebble]

You sir are a clown

[bronze jetty]

you win

[serene chasm]

In that case, we dont even know about SS

[bronze jetty]

yes lol

[analog forge]

I should call people clowns more

the mods breathe down my neck if i call people idiots

[bronze jetty]

fuck.

[reef scarab]

What’s ikg again I’m dumb

[nimble pebble]

Inferno king Grimm

[manic zenith]

I def prefer Absrad over regular one

[analog forge]

I like the implication that everyone who plays godmaster becomes a sort of god of hollowknight, to the point that the hardest bosses in the game back to back to back to back, one after the other, isnt an absurdly bullshit challenge

[nimble pebble]

^

[reef scarab]

I like how when you beat absrad on radiant godseeker still tells you she thinks you can’t beat absrad in the pantheon

[analog forge]

and this boss rush of the hardest bosses in the game needs to have a 1 hour interlude of complete tedium between attempts

because fuck you, thats why

[manic zenith]

pretty sure void screen bug is already fixed?

oh you mean this rad

[fiery coral]

She's different because, again, they ask way more of you to get to her compared to what you need to do to fight the others. Simple correlation between effort put in and reward obtained; the boss should at least feel like the developers put effort into it, rather than looking like it was haphazardly put together 2 days before release (you know much better than I how many bugs she had in her fight). Plus, sure, I get to actually fight her now, for realsies, but...this is all she gets? A speed boost?

She doesn't necessarily need to be unlocked immediately; I agree that that would lose the impact somewhat. The change needs to have been in her fight, not access conditions. New attacks wouldn't have hurt, nor new visuals, new music, new...anything, really. As it is she feels like TC spent less time making her than I did getting to her.

[serene chasm]

This. Do you know how hard it is for my adhd raddled brain to focus on something for that long? Its fucking torture

[fiery coral]

this became an AbsRant, yay

[nimble pebble]

Let's talk about tools instead of Absrad

[analog forge]

no, god no

[nimble pebble]

🛠️

[serene chasm]

At least Godmaster gave us PV.

[fiery coral]

and SoB

thankful for those

[valid sable]

I only ever did P5 with all bindings on and the time to get through didn't feel that bad

[serene chasm]

And Flying No-

[analog forge]

Why would you ever do pant5 with all binding?

wouldnt that take like 3 hours?

[serene chasm]

Cause they hate themselves

[fiery coral]

first person I've heard of who did P5 AB before P5

[brave stone]

land of storms

[fiery coral]

P5 AB is not needed

[brave stone]

and bragging rights

[fiery coral]

you need every binding, not all of them at once

[valid sable]

Per run no it was like less than an hour per attempt

[brave stone]

efficiency 😛

[serene chasm]

Thats the only reason. Anyone who does p5 all binds should seek therapy because they are obviously hurting inside

[nimble pebble]

Grover did P5AB I believe

[valid sable]

I ain't hurting inside. It honestly wasn't even that terrible. It was a ton of practicing some bosses, and doing a handful of main tries and taking a break for a couple days.

[nimble pebble]

The only reason to do any AB pantheons is street cred and satisfaction that's it, it gives no reward besides pantheon glow go brrrr

[brave stone]

why not do all 5 at once to save time

[analog forge]

fuckin speedruns of pant 5 take 20 minutes, i refuse to belive any kind of all p5ab attempts takes less than an hour

[nimble pebble]

Why you got 5 pants on

[fiery coral]

look it's cold okay

[nimble pebble]

Just get a blanket

[analog forge]

layering is important >:(

[nimble pebble]

It's not winter though

And you can layer blankets

[analog forge]

its winter in austrailia!

[serene chasm]

Australia doesnt exist

[analog forge]

(not that i live there)

[nimble pebble]

It's still hot there

[serene chasm]

Currently 13C in Adelaide

[analog forge]

thats... somewhat chilly

thats enough to justify wearing 5 pears of pants and a winter jacket, right?

[warm bone]

thats very cold

[analog forge]

very cold is going a bit far

[nimble pebble]

That's a spring day or cooler summer day here

[warm bone]

not really

[serene chasm]

The fuck? Its chilly. Maybe a light coat weather. Depending on the wind and if there is sun, but not cold

[analog forge]

thats 55f, thats not very cold at all

[nimble pebble]

Meanwhile Winter here is like -20 C on average but as cold as -40 and beyound

[warm bone]

def cold bruv

[serene chasm]

[analog forge]

stop living on the north pole, pillow

[nimble pebble]

I don't

[serene jewel]

Relax

It's just a game

[serene chasm]

Pillow and I know what cold is

[valid sable]

It's cold in Pharloom

[warm bone]

besides, whether a temperature is cold or not depends almost entirely on where you live and the weather their

[nimble pebble]

💪

[blazing geyser]

Hello all.

[serene chasm]

Where you from?

[nimble pebble]

[warm bone]

since I live in a desert, my cold temperatures start hotter than you canadians

[serene jewel]

Just take notes from eternal edition of original binding of Isaac for harder patterns

[warm bone]

and hot starts warmer

take a break from gaming for a bit

[serene chasm]

Welcome to Nihilism

[nimble pebble]

I've been in extreme heat and extreme cold I don't like either but if I have to pick I pick Extreme cold, I can layer up if it's cold, you will run out of things to take off when it's hot though if it's wet cold then you're fucked no amount of layers will save you this is why dry cold is better, wet cold is basically humidity but for cold

[warm bone]

I had this before, what fixed it for me was trying out a type of game I have never played before

[nimble pebble]

Pretty sure you simply seek to play another game made by a company that made a game you really liked

[fiery coral]

Shandow has an existential crisis while debating the quality of Absolute Radiance as a boss fight

[serene jewel]

Too much free time. Send him to a work camp

[nimble pebble]

Is this clarity or clouding

[valid sable]

Come over you can try some of my almost 4000 games

[serene chasm]

Agreed. Having to deal with just 35C weather was torture. Im not even sure how people live in places where it gets even hotter. In -35C you can bundle up, make some hot cocoa and sit by the fireplace

[warm bone]

here it gets upwards of 125 in the summer (51C)

its hot

[nimble pebble]

indeed, also I've been in 44C it's NOT FUN, MY SUNCREEN WAS MELTING OFF

[serene jewel]

Just get used to it

[serene chasm]

Dude. Im so sorry.

[nimble pebble]

I could probably handle more heat but I don't want to see take that

[proud vale]

I think it got close to 50C where I am last summer 😂

[nimble pebble]

I know BC hit a 51C during their heatwave

[dim shadow]

I wish America used metric

[proud vale]

Holy crap, didn’t know BC got so hot

[nimble pebble]

56C at one point

[warm bone]

blame pirates

[nimble pebble]

Doesn't usually but you know heatwave

Go get a snack and a book chief you need it

[fleet temple]

we've gone exestential

[dim shadow]

Why tf does it go from 12 inches to a foot 3 feet to a Yard and 5280 feet to a mile

[dusty kettle]

yo

[warm bone]

quality over quantity, if you want game suggestions I can give them

[valid sable]

No buy me 900 games I need moar

[nimble pebble]

@serene chasm You should come over to my house during the winter season and we'll wrap ourselves up in blankets, drink hot cocoa and watch the Hockey game

[warm bone]

more backlog I need more backlog

[nimble pebble]

That's right I'm inviting a homie to drink hot cocoa and watch the game what of it

[valid sable]

Can't wait to beat Absolute Lace with all bindings at the end of the boss rush in Silksong

no

I'm a completionist not a modpletionist

[nimble pebble]

The HK modding community is the ultimate embodiment of "Fine, I'll do it myself"

[dim shadow]

Question: how do you change your nickname in a large server? My name starts with Z

[nimble pebble]

Did you not read anything I said good sir

[dim shadow]

I can't scroll that many thousands

[warm bone]

right there

[nimble pebble]

I was talking to the person who replied to me

[dim shadow]

Thank you

[nimble pebble]

You can just right click on your name to change nickname

[dim shadow]

I'm on phone :/

[nimble pebble]

[fiery coral]

is there a Manage User option when you tap on your profile

[dim shadow]

Yea sorry I'm just dumb lmao

[fiery coral]

there we go, yay

[fleet temple]

[nimble pebble]

[dim shadow]

I really hope SS is hard because that triple heal looks really powerful

I wish the demo wasn't just at PAX that should put it on steam

[serene chasm]

Theyre trying to balance it do be about the same difficulty curve as HK

[hollow terrace]

Dw it wasn’t just pax

[dim shadow]

Yea it was at E3 right?

[fleet temple]

i think they said something about more enemies doing double damage

[dim shadow]

Ah

[fleet temple]

and also enemies being "smarter"

[hollow terrace]

It was at multiple conventions that held Nintendo booths

[dim shadow]

Because 8 hits for 3 heals in half a seconds kinda big so I'm glad the enemies are gonna be hard

[nimble pebble]

It'll probably be balanced in a way

[dim shadow]

Sweet

I love the new attack mechanics

I GUARANTEE there's gonna be a "floor is lava" lace fight immediately

Because of those fun enemy Pogo's

[rancid inlet]

cant wait in 50 years when silksong comes out

[rotund valve]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[fleet temple]

FUNNY

[haughty dome]

Silksong news when

[rancid inlet]

but in all honestly i cant wait , it looks so fun

[haughty dome]

Gta6 will drop before silksong does

You know what really annoys me

How they are giving any news at all

Like not even a single sentence to say it's still in development

[fleet temple]

which one?

[rancid inlet]

they are building up the hype , by giving us little pieces or info

[haughty dome]

silksong

[fleet temple]

dude there's high chance gta 6 isn't even gonna come out based on how well online is doing

[rancid inlet]

lmao

[haughty dome]

I would be completely content if they just interacted with us

Not even telling us news just saying they exist or something

[fleet temple]

you're pissed about E3 aren't you?

i would explain how you're wrong but i'm too tired for that, i'll let someone else do that

[rancid inlet]

hope they give us news on Christmas

[cerulean sable]

PS6 would probably unrionically have a GTA5 port

[rancid inlet]

lmao

[fleet temple]

yeah

[haughty dome]

Christmas?

That's a while away

[fleet temple]

yes, no news if you exclude the blogposts, the trailer, the magazine and everything else

[rancid inlet]

still why would they give it to us now

[haughty dome]

Does teamcherry have a reddit

[rancid inlet]

prob

[dim shadow]

Those were so long ago tho i wish they'd confirm that they're alive or something at least

[haughty dome]

I'm beginning to think one of them passed away from covid

And the other can't bring himself to tell us

[dim shadow]

The last thing in their blog is 2019

[fleet temple]

as we all know, when a dev doesn't give massive news, they've stopped making the game and they're dead

[fleet temple]

r/hollowknightmemes

just calm down, they'll release it when they're ready

[dim shadow]

I'm, calm, though?

[cerulean sable]

i mean they released a mag at january

and leth says theyve been doing fine

[dim shadow]

I'm prepared to wait im just bored

[proud vale]

Well Leth also said they have big challenges in making the game itself - and it’s kind of adapted through dev (iirc) to meet consumer expectations

Basically we keep hyping it up, so they are making a game that meets the hype

so the secret is we have to expect nothing

[frank sparrow]

we already expect nothing well at least i do

[nimble pebble]

The secret is we have to find other things to do in our lives until it comes out

[crude galleon]

Yes insert rolling nitro emoji

[nimble pebble]

[crude galleon]

I hope they never ever put something like the flower quest again

[nimble pebble]

Do it again, but make it Harder

Cause tbh once you get used to it it's pretty easy

[crude galleon]

Like go all the way thru the hardest areas

[carmine coral]

hornet is v-

very interesting and will make for a good character in silksong

[crude galleon]

[carmine coral]

[crude galleon]

[carmine coral]

[crude galleon]

[carmine coral]

[crude galleon]

[carmine coral]

We are gonna get banned

[devout light]

[crude galleon]

Oh no

[pulsar trout]

[carmine coral]

Wasnt me

have mercy

[crude galleon]

Mercy

[nimble pebble]

[proud vale]

Rip the positive feedback loop will never end I guess
until it does and we have the poggiest game ever created

[shy kiln]

There is going to be someone who will make a mod that will have a shade spawn instead of a cocoon when Hornet dies in SS

[nimble pebble]

Probably

[mystic pewter]

haven't visited in a week or so

what do folks think about gamescom?

[finite lake]

silksong?

[nimble pebble]

I think the answer is likely no unless told otherwise by TC or Leth

[pseudo umbra]

Gamescom 21.... rearranges to... 2e1csomg am

So maybe... just maybe there's something there

2 looks like an S, and 1 an L, so really is Selcsomg

COINCIDENCE?!

[frank sparrow]

i think not

hold on- why am i working on lack of sleep?

[crude galleon]

Els

[vestal wedge]

This channel is still active?

[crude galleon]

Yes

[sonic bridge]

"active"

[nimble pebble]

[fast basin]

So, tell me

[ornate beacon]

No.

[fast basin]

What are your release date most accurate predictions? Christmas sounds possible?

Or at least blog post in setember?

[nimble pebble]

No clue

[fleet temple]

i think that if there's no news by september, then i'm placing bets on 2022

[hollow gull]

so... it's called Hollow Knight Silksong, right

and we know team cherry makes decisions for a reason

[nimble radish]

where is this going

[hollow gull]

and I don't think it's just marketing

Basically just saying that I bet THK itself will play a role in the game

I mean there is a possibility that it's just marketing, just to say "hey, this is the sequel to that game you liked," but I don't think that's team cherry's... "style"

[crude galleon]

OoOOoo

[manic zenith]

doubt

[hollow gull]

I have no idea whatsoever how they're gonna tie in so much of that lore to a game that takes place in a different kingdom tho lol

[crude galleon]

If all the endings are canon, then that wouldnt make sense

?

Ss would take place before or during hk

If all the endings are canon

[manic zenith]

in edge magazine interview they did say that they are making silksong in the way that you can play it first and og HK later
They were talking about difficulty mostly, but Im pretty sure its applies to story too. So I bet the games will be disconnected enough

[nimble radish]

it can't do that either because THK is sealed away for the duration of hk

[crude galleon]

Also it just wouldnt work out

[hollow gull]

well it may not be that THK will appear in silksong

[crude galleon]

Why would thk be relevant to the people of pharloom?

[hollow gull]

but I still think it'll be rather important to the lore

[winged tendon]

i doubt hk's lore will be expanded upon much

[crude galleon]

Ye

[hollow gull]

I mean it may not

[crude galleon]

But it would be cool

[hollow gull]

my main point is, I think the Hollow Knight's name is in the title of the game for a reason other than marketing

[crude galleon]

Oh ok

[hollow gull]

I don't know how, but my theory is that it will be somehow involved

[crude galleon]

Thk is the final boss aGaIn

[hollow gull]

Now this part of my theory doesn't have much ground to stand on, but I think silksong will somehow expand on hallownest's lore...

[winged tendon]

ya me to

[crude galleon]

Probably more on weaver lore if anything

[hollow gull]

they said it'll explain more of hornet's origins, but like, how? we know it'll have more lore about the weavers (🐌)

[crude galleon]

[hollow gull]

unless hornet left hallownest at some point, then in order to explain her origins, then it has to have something to do with hallownest

plus like, daughter of the pale king and all that

[crude galleon]

She would have a sorta god status?

[hollow gull]

okay I'm gonna meme a bit here, unrelated

how come the seal of binding on hornet's cage keeps her from getting out, but she was able to get in to the black egg despite the seal blocking off the arena?

[manic zenith]

different seals?

[winged tendon]

becouse the knight broke it to get in

[manic zenith]

also Hornet somehow came in black egg chamber through fucking wall or something

[hollow gull]

most likely lol

[hollow gull]

no I'm referring to the seal that blocks you from leaving once you start the fight

[winged tendon]

oh

idk maybe its a one way seal?

[tribal merlin]

if it blocks from leaving maybe it doesn't block entering

[hollow gull]

also the one on hornet's cage appears to weaken her somehow, so I do think that is the difference here

speaking of hornet and the black egg... what about the sealed siblings ending?

they've confirmed ss is a sequel, but

[winged tendon]

non cannon i guess

[hollow gull]

but haven't tc said all endings are canon?

[manic zenith]

yeah

[hollow gull]

it hurts my head lol

[winged tendon]

idk

multiverse theory maybe

[hollow gull]

there's no way they'd just have you pick your ending at the beginning of the game henry stickmin style lol

[winged tendon]

ya

[hollow gull]

maybe the caste that captures hornet somehow gets her out of the black egg

[winged tendon]

i doubt that

[crude galleon]

Yeah

[hollow gull]

my best guess is that they'll have to just choose one ending and stick with it, but I don't think that'll happen

[crude galleon]

Nope, they said all endings are canon so that's that

[hollow gull]

my real prediction is that team cherry will do something so wild and perfect that nobody would ever predict

[crude galleon]

[winged tendon]

ya

[hollow gull]

and it won't be obvious, mind you

[crude galleon]

[hollow gull]

like it'd never directly address hk's ending, we'd have to dig deep into the lore to figure out how they did it

[crude galleon]

Idk that may be pushing the limit of expectation

[winged tendon]

lets be honest the events of hk isnt going to appear in ss

[hollow gull]

I mean that's how team cherry puts all of their lore

there's no reason for them to say upfront "okay this is how the hk endings worked"

[crude galleon]

Team cherry wants It to not really be tied in with hk alot

[winged tendon]

ya

[hollow gull]

have they said that? or have they just said that you'll be able to play it without playing hk?

[crude galleon]

They said the latter but that's still the same for story making

[signal crag]

Edge magazine

[crude galleon]

The story will be able to understand without playing hk

[hollow gull]

being able to play with no context =/= not tying into the story

[winged tendon]

hollow knight is almost a open world game i doubt they could make everything cannon and make a game about it

[hollow gull]

well now that I think about it

[crude galleon]

All the endings are canon depending on the player so they make sure all games would be the same for all endings

I mean make sense

[hollow gull]

the Hollow Knight dlcs didn't really tie much into the base game

only a few bits of lore here and there

[crude galleon]

Yeah so we shouldnt expect that much more lore from ss

[hollow gull]

so I guess that's how silksong might be

[crude galleon]

So more like an introduction to a new world and that worlds lore

[haughty ingot]

no

[winged tendon]

idk i think its going to be about parts of the story we didnt hear in hk

[hollow gull]

have they not? I thought they did

[haughty ingot]

sequel to the franchise, not necessarily a continuation from hollow knight

[crude galleon]

It's a sequel irl, but in game it prob takes place during or before hk

[hollow gull]

oh okay

[winged tendon]

idk anythings possible

[crude galleon]

Sleep

[haughty ingot]

maybe it is a sequel to the story, maybe not. personally i’d like to believe it is

[winged tendon]

ya same

[signal crag]

I mean, most thinks it’s a sequel anyway, just that the “sequel” part in the description can’t be used as proof

[haughty ingot]

mhm

[tall hinge]

hey im sorry for bringing this up so late after the convo, but i just wanted to clear up that they did say that the 'generous' was for them and that it would probably release sooner than dec 2023

[random fox]

Dont alot of devs say the games a sequel so it doesnt spoil the ending

So it could be a prequel, tho i personaly think it being a sequel is more likely

[tall hinge]

during? but we see hornet during hk... unless she has a twin sister

[nimble pebble]

We'll see with the extra content funded from the kickstarter

[tall hinge]

yeah i assume all that extra work will bump release time up

[scenic coral]

what dis?

[tall hinge]

crowsworn

[scenic coral]

i see

[tall hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/827914300727361547.gif?v=1

the kickstarter needs $33K cad on average from today to reach $1M cad in time

its gotten 13K on average for the past ~2 weeks

unless a big hype boost happens i dont think we can do it

[sweet lotus]

Crowsworn will be featuring the 1M stretch goal either way

mark this message

they're going for the 'good studio' reputation

[hollow gull]

hmmmmmm last I checked this wasn't #crowsworn-discussion

[sweet lotus]

sorry about that, ending the off topic

[tall hinge]

they are not going for that, they are simply that :)

[tall hinge]

dont worry we do this every day

and the mods join in sometimes

[hollow gull]

I don't actually mind that much lol

anyways can we talk about the e3 trailer music

that leitmotif hits hard

[sweet lotus]

great music

whatever I've heard of Silksong is top notch

[tall hinge]

mhm

[sweet lotus]

Bonebottom is top tier track, maybe a bit more somber than I'd like my town music but that is to be judged when the game's out

Lace is hall of fame game OST material, ok

[hollow gull]

why isn't it common practice to release trailer music without sound effects ;-;

[sweet lotus]

hey I like my 'niii' 'shaaaww'

[hollow gull]

I mean bonebottom is probably a somber place lol

[sweet lotus]

Dirtmouth is somber

Bonebottom must be plain sad

[stoic path]

The Lace theme is 👌

[hollow gull]

Now that I think about it, the bone theming is interesting, very interesting

the fast travel tunnels are called the marrow

is pharloom a giant skeleton?

[sweet lotus]

I also like the small things theming that goes very well with the bug theme. Needle, nail, silk.

[sweet lotus]

good question!

[stoic path]

There are also bugs wearing Bells

[sweet lotus]

the bell theming is very apparent too, yes

is Pharloom a place bound by music magic?

[stoic path]

Musical instruments seem to be very important in this game, along with Silk and Weaver

[sweet lotus]

I mean, apart from wanting to play the game itself, I am so very intrigued by the enigma its world seems to hold

[stoic path]

Me too

[sweet lotus]

and I know the story will be delivered in a unique way

[hollow gull]

the interesting thing to me is that, unlike the themes of silk and music and stuff, bones are not in the title of the game

do you think there will be a "the silksong"? like the actual haunting is called silksong?

[sweet lotus]

you mean a song called "silksong" ?

[hollow gull]

no like

[tall hinge]

i think they mean like there was "the hollow knight", if there will be something like "the silk song"? maybe?

[hollow gull]

Hollow Knight as a band isn't just about hollowness and knights, it's about an actual concrete thing called "The Hollow Knight"

yeah that lol

[tall hinge]

lol

[sweet lotus]

got you; yeah I believe it's very likely there's a particular thing or idea or magic that's called "silksong"; if not, "silksong" would probably refer to a 'song', a story, a composition (the game's plot) that is themed by silk

[tall hinge]

yeah i mean the whole game is based around music so it makes sense

[hollow gull]

yeah I never really thought about it like this until now lol

[tall hinge]

there seems to be a "deadly thread"? not sure what that means tho

the kingdom is haunted by something

[hollow gull]

That seems to be more metaphorical

[sweet lotus]

plot twist: Hornet is unraveling the deadly thread that threatens Pharloom; she is the villain

[tall hinge]

oh ok sorry english isnt my native language

[hollow gull]

although you can see when killing enemies and the golem boss's scream that there are puppet strings

[tall hinge]

true i forgot about that

[hollow gull]

I'm guessing those are not physically made out of silk, but instead more magical in nature

[sweet lotus]

there seems to be a "deadly thread"? not sure what that means tho
it's a word play between the expression, alluding to the game's theme at the same time; TC are word masters

[hollow gull]

although if it is puppet strings, does that mean every haunted bug is being controlled directly?

with the infection the bugs are still operating somewhat autonomously

[sweet lotus]

not every bug in Hallownest was infected

[tall hinge]

[sweet lotus]

some were fighting willingly

[hollow gull]

well yeah that's why I said every haunted bug

although the word haunting doesn't really connote direct control by some sort of puppet master

[sweet lotus]

can someone find a screenshot where the puppet strings are visible?

[sweet lotus]

this looks to be a puppet enemy in particular

[hollow gull]

it could be yeah

but there is still the regular enemy death animation

not necessarily puppet strings but a single string above the enemy being severed

[tall hinge]

like this? idk what you mean

[hollow gull]

yeah that

could just be a visual effect to say "this enemy was haunted"

[tall hinge]

[sweet lotus]

I don't think this is a string above the enemies being severed

doesn't look like that animation telegraphs it

[hollow gull]

oh my bad

[tall hinge]

here are the next 2 frames

[hollow gull]

hm kinda hard to tell with the impact particles lol

but yeah I could be wrong

[sweet lotus]

looks like long straight lines in different directions

could be silk indeed, probably is

[hollow gull]

dangit the feeling of wanting to play the game just hit me again

[sweet lotus]

patience

[hollow gull]

;u;

[tall hinge]

i think nathyn is right, the strings above show up before the kill particles and they disappear shortly after. they are also extremely straight so it makes me think they are different from the killing silk

[sweet lotus]

we'll learn eventually

[hollow gull]

to change the topic a bit if we're ready: I wonder how the game's structure will be

they talk about climbing to the top but that's just point a to point b, not at all what Hollow Knight was about

[sweet lotus]

interesting; they've added also that the top isn't the final destination

[tall hinge]

well hollow knight was kinda about making your way down to the abyss in a way (not really)

[hollow gull]

so my prediction is that you'll be able to make it almost to the top of the citadel, but alas there's a door that you need to open by exploring pharloom

[hollow gull]

oh I hadn't heard that

[sweet lotus]

wait

[tall hinge]

did they say that in edge?

[sweet lotus]

correcting; reaching the Citadel isn't the final destination

[hollow gull]

lol

so perhaps the citadel is as much of an objective as the black egg

[surreal mortar]

Silk spear looks pretty cool when you pause it right

[tall hinge]

i think theyre trying to say that hornet gets to the bottom of the citadel but then has to climb to the top of that

[sweet lotus]

I really don't think Silksong will be a linear game in its entirety

[tall hinge]

or idk

[sweet lotus]

kinda looks like the Order of Ecclesia spell weapons

[surreal mortar]

What’s that

[hollow gull]

I'm imagining silksong will be as if not less linear than hk

imagining hoping

[sweet lotus]

Order of Ecclesia is a Castlevania game that released about 10 yeard ago for the Nintendo DS and it is a crestlike (meaning, a metroidvania that features separate maps that are connected by a central hub)

[surreal mortar]

Hollow knight is semi linear until the city of tears and then it opens up

I would say Silksong will be the same but to the base of the citadel

[sweet lotus]

maybe

[hollow gull]

that would be interesting

my money's on greymoor as the "opening point" :P

[sweet lotus]

how many towns does Silksong seem to have till now?

it's Bonebottom, Greymoor, the barnacle town and the gilded one?

[surreal mortar]

And the overgrown village

And the bell one

Unless you want to count that one as the Greymoor one

[ocean mulch]

Hi chat

[surreal mortar]

[ocean mulch]

How's everyone doing

[proud vale]

G'day Chroma

[ocean mulch]

[proud vale]

Nice pfp

[ocean mulch]

Needed a glow up after a year

[proud vale]

Damn I missed the towns chat

That's like my favourite topic

[pallid flare]

hi chroma

[ocean mulch]

Oh my god

[surreal mortar]

So it is silk spear then

[ocean mulch]

Yes

[surreal mortar]

Very interesting

[haughty ingot]

oh my god
news

[ocean mulch]

[proud vale]

Wait wut

[haughty ingot]

btw i just realized something else

the moss berry tool kinda looks like tatsumaki from one punch man

[proud vale]

Is that the psychic woman who is slightly corrupt

[ocean mulch]

Seems like the spiky wire is a "+" tool

[haughty ingot]

the shorter one yea

[ocean mulch]

I might be going insane but the slots are slightly colored

[haughty ingot]

yea they are

[sweet lotus]

yeah! who told us we've exhausted all things Silksong?

[proud vale]

Holy crap how did you spot that

It's so subtle

[ocean mulch]

I have good eyesight

Do you see the rainbow glasses

[haughty ingot]

was it? i thought it was obvious

[sweet lotus]

we are on a roll! let's find the release date hidden in the announcement trailer!

[proud vale]

The rainbow glasses bestow visual skills unbeknownst to man

[ocean mulch]

The locations of the tools are satisfying

Now I'm again thinking what the types are

[proud vale]

Wait do you guys see the big white splotches in the corner of the main circle - is that meant to be eyes?

[ocean mulch]

How did you never notice that

[proud vale]

Apparently I am fully blind

[ocean mulch]

I think the (+) tools are passive effects

[proud vale]

I would've thought the + tool is meant to symbolise a compass

[ocean mulch]

Obviously (i) is weapons and (||) I have no idea

[proud vale]

But yeah, passive

[haughty ingot]

i think most people agree that:

Red - Daggers, throwables, what you’d expect from “tools”, etc.
Yellow - Passive tools / stuff that gets activates on its own (like thorns of agony?)
Blue - Things that you use on yourself, like buffs and such (lifeblood syringe?)

[ocean mulch]

Blue consumables

[haughty ingot]

red and blue are consumed while yellow is not

this is all speculation of course*

[ocean mulch]

No lifeblood is red

[haughty ingot]

oh is it?

[ocean mulch]

[haughty ingot]

no idea then lol

[ocean mulch]

I think blue is spool mods

We see a green notch in the gifs that could be the mossberry.

And a lot of other splittage and things
Makes sense to be a category

It's all coming together

Tell the mods later that we had an actual tools discussion

The first inventory icon is shaped like the tool pouch. Although that could just be the inventory.

I wonder if that's where we can also craft tools

Since this screen is called crest not tools

[iron spear]

What's the new release date

[ocean mulch]

Uhh

[rustic sundial]

2023

[ocean mulch]

Twelventwentyetht of Junevembery 2023

[proud vale]

I've heard 24th Feb 2022 floating around

[iron spear]

Nice

Might be true

[ocean mulch]

Why 24th

[rustic sundial]

why not

[ocean mulch]

Why not not

[rustic sundial]

Why not not not

[proud vale]

All dates may be true

[fading lagoon]

It released yesterday

[iron spear]

That's hollow Knight release date right

That's why they think that

[rustic sundial]

i mean, ehhhhh

i feel like they'd be forcing themselves to a deadline which they may not want ig

[ocean mulch]

I think early in the year could be likely

[frank sparrow]

im thinking winter

[rustic sundial]

I feel like their mentality, it'll release when its ready will stay true i think

[frank sparrow]

or autumn

[iron spear]

How big do you think it will be

[rustic sundial]

I feel like all the games are releasing next year anyway

[ocean mulch]

I think SS will be massive

[serene chasm]

Huge

[ocean mulch]

I'm so excited
Can't wait to see what was cooking

[signal crag]

1.5 X times size than HK

[ocean mulch]

They literally did crunch months years before the release

[frank sparrow]

i think it will be bigger than Hollow Knight- maybe not by much but ya know

[proud vale]

Also apparently it came to them in a dream

[rustic sundial]

I interested in seeing how many videos mossbag can pump out

im calling 30-40

[proud vale]

Oh also I think it'll be pretty big, but only slightly bigger than HK

[signal crag]

I have a hard time believing it will be bigger AND better than that at the same time

[proud vale]

Maybe like 1.3x

[ocean mulch]

Honestly I think it will

TC are crazy lads (including Graig)

[signal crag]

Unless it really takes that much longer

[rustic sundial]

maybe, considering that our mode of traversal looks wayy faster

[proud vale]

It'll be better than HK I think, purely because it already looks so much more polished

[rustic sundial]

yea, the backgrounds shook me, it looked visually cool as heck

[iron spear]

Hornet is better to play as too

[ocean mulch]

I'm sure

[proud vale]

Well referring to 'bigger' as in content, not just the size of the world is what I mean

[signal crag]

She looks so versatile and mobile, damn

[pallid flare]

hornet is speedy

[proud vale]

Hypeeee

[rustic sundial]

I figure she might abit clunky at start, since our down needle goes diagonal

[ocean mulch]

I like spiders, agile characters and knitting/sewing so

[fleet temple]

NEW TC LEAK!!!! OMG!!!! HORNET GOOD TO PLAY AS CONFIRMED

[rustic sundial]

but we adjust quickly

[iron spear]

Yeah that gets everyone at first

[ocean mulch]

I will use that down needle so much

[signal crag]

I mean, you could just get used to it right in the first area, right?

[proud vale]

I wonder if remembering what direction your facing for the diagonal pogo becomes hard

[rustic sundial]

But it looks like we get better substitutes for platforming in any case

[ocean mulch]

Imagine if Graig just says "Btw it's out in 2 weeks"

[serene chasm]

Hornet does look incredibly fun to play as

[iron spear]

Btw it's out in 2 weeks

[ocean mulch]

He said the funny

[pallid flare]

the level of customisation looks fun

[signal crag]

Nice

[rustic sundial]

please no one take this out of context

we cant have another fiasco

[pallid flare]

some news article is gonna come out in less than an hour

[serene chasm]

100s of shitty games journalists started writing furiously

[signal crag]

There’s a site that already does that

[heady iron]

graig bouta put out a build of the game that just loads up a rickroll

[iron spear]

Team Cherry's gardener confirms release date

[ocean mulch]

Please no. We had a good thing going before the memes

[serene chasm]

What is in TC garden

[pallid flare]

bugs

[ocean mulch]

Cherry trees you bingus

[rustic sundial]

cherries

[pallid flare]

they look in there for inspiration

[serene chasm]

Cherry trees are in orchards not gardens

[rustic sundial]

do you know why team cherry picked the name team cherry?

[iron spear]

Yes

[rustic sundial]

do they just like cherries? why they called that?

[pallid flare]

go on

[heady iron]

is that where William and Ari got the idea for a lustful tree from

[ocean mulch]

Because of hungry knight

The bugs drop cherries

[proud vale]

yo that's my holidays, graig you didn't have to

[rustic sundial]

huh, makes sense, since they met up in a game jam

[ocean mulch]

Graig isn't it late in Australia rn

[iron spear]

9pm not really late

[ocean mulch]

Why are you in SS disc at 9pm

[rustic sundial]

why not?

[iron spear]

Wanna see a WIP scene from my game?

[pallid flare]

yes

[ocean mulch]

[rustic sundial]

yees

[ocean mulch]

What will he send oh god

[rustic sundial]

i supposed to be working but yeees

[iron spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YAgxUoERJI

[tall hinge]

graig has a game?

[iron spear]

It's not finished yet but getting there

[heady iron]

wut engine

[ocean mulch]

Omg that water shader

[iron spear]

Nissan engine

[rustic sundial]

nissan the car brand?

[ocean mulch]

Who did you get to waste their sanity on that

[pallid flare]

whats the game about

[iron spear]

I made the shader

[proud vale]

Looks nice

[fading lagoon]

I have to sub, got it

[heady iron]

Unity shader?

[rustic sundial]

active volcano in the background.... he's on an island

[heady iron]

I'm learning bout those 😎

[umbral gazelle]

they make sweet round games