sk-discussion

[serene chasm]

Why not November? Maybe on the 18th?

[valid sable]

October Spookysong

[undone crescent]

I hope they release it next month

On amogus august

[fallow solar]

Imagine if TC said Silksong will release this year and then it releases December 31st

[undone crescent]

what if it gets released on January 1st 2021

[tribal schooner]

i would be ok

[woeful thistle]

elden ring got a release date before silk song...

[elder flicker]

F in the chat

I mean I'm happy for er fans but still

[woeful thistle]

Like I'm not complaining that elden ring got a release date... and I know that silksong would be better if we give it more time... but a human can't wait for 10 years

[woeful thistle]

I am an er fan

A huge fan, I have like 900 hours in ds3... so safe to say I'm pretty exited

[elder flicker]

Oh wow

[elder flicker]

A soul for a soul

[woeful thistle]

indeed

[elder flicker]

But if ss never releases then we wait forever but get 0 content thus creating a paradox

[woeful thistle]

can't let that happen

[elder flicker]

Indeed we cannot

Must not

[nimble pebble]

SS is probably nearing it's completion

[oak juniper]

Ñ

[timber sentinel]

Ñ

[oak juniper]

Ñ

[nimble pebble]

If our good pal Leth who works both on SS and CS says it'll be out before DEC 2023 CS release date until further notice then I chose to believe in his vague guess

[elder flicker]

What's cs

Ñ

[tribal schooner]

crowsworn

[fallen void]

Maybe Silksong was inside us all along...

[elder flicker]

Is it crow sworn or crows worn

[tribal schooner]

crow sworn

[fallen void]

It's Crowsworn.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mongooserodeo/crowsworn-a-dark-and-mysterious-action-packed-metroidvania

... Man, times are dire when game inspired by Hollow Knight is getting more money faster than the original HK did.

[elder flicker]

I know but I was asking about how the word was divided

[warm bone]

crowsworn

[elder flicker]

Because at the times hk and games like it weren't as popular, but with him and ss, cs gained a ton of popularity

[fallen void]

C Rows Wor N

[elder flicker]

Seems legit

[tawdry valley]

Hk also looked sorta sketchy when it was in development, assuming people even knew the game existed.
Crowsworn on the other hand appeals to a now massive fanbase, branching from games like HK as well as just HK, and looks like it actually has some original ideas (cough cough gleamlight cough)

[elder flicker]

Yes

[tawdry valley]

Here’s hoping the base kit actually develops enough to make the devil may cry like combat system they’re reaching for actually work long term.

So far the moves and revealed movement abilities are promising, but the demonstrations they’ve been used in are all fairly simplistic

[tawdry valley]

Also, isn’t it technically a less “dire time” if HK-like games get more traction than not?

[shy stirrup]

Yeah

[elder flicker]

Of course, if people discover cs, they'll most likely also discover hk

[shy stirrup]

Metroidvanias are in a revival era rn

[elder flicker]

Thank you tc

[shy stirrup]

When nintendo is making a new 2d metroid thats how you know shit is real

[hollow terrace]

cant wait for the extinction era

[shy stirrup]

That already passed

but there might be more

[serene chasm]

What genre should have a revival next?

[tawdry valley]

That will happen sometime after the next Star Wars metroidvania

[hollow terrace]

or maybe after silksong

[tawdry valley]

Donkey Kong and rayman.
Yes these are genres.

[hollow terrace]

Cause the game was so BAD that it ruined the whole genre

[elder flicker]

A new rayman and the rabbids would be much appreciated

[tawdry valley]

Rabbids were a mistake

[serene chasm]

I feel like we already had the character platformer revival

[elder flicker]

I still like them

As long as they don't become the next minions

[tawdry valley]

Fine, bring back paper Mario type games.
(This is already happening)

[serene chasm]

Id be cool with that. Bug Fables was fantastic

[drowsy pike]

Still no word on the interview and the upcoming art?

[tawdry valley]

There was this whole event, where a bunch of indie devs showed off their paper Mario type games
This was the only one I remembered https://youtu.be/vEzhLso2TYs

[tawdry valley]

what, for crowsworn…?

[drowsy pike]

Silksong, why would I ask about CS on the Silksong channel

Well technically TC as a whole not just SS

[tawdry valley]

Dunno where you heard about an artbook and interview. Unless you’re talking about the edge magazine

[hollow terrace]

APWOT

[drowsy pike]

The one that was supposed to be released this month. An interview on TC that would have SS art alongside it

[tawdry valley]

Cause it was the previous convo topic and there’s lots of stuff relating to some sort of artbook

Well that one is new to me

[drowsy pike]

Fair then, just opened the channel lol I didn't scroll back up so I didn't know sorry

[tawdry valley]

Oh. Unless it’s the one that was about general game development, and not about SS specifically.

[drowsy pike]

Yes, about TC. But I'm mostly interested on the SS art

[tawdry valley]

Yeah this one

[drowsy pike]

(and I'm aware it won't have anything new, just wanna get some nice posters or smth)

[tawdry valley]

Yeah don’t expect anything SS related. This is a love letter to videogames type magazine, so.

[stiff burrow]

I'm a bit late, but this very much

[drowsy pike]

I'm purely just hoping they were gonna make more posters of already-seen stuff, or maybe just HK posters like this one

[cerulean sable]

i already had a dream about this

[serene chasm]

It would be awesome if Ari made a bunch of really artsy drawings of HK and SS for fangamer posters.

Or if they commisioned some artists for some.

[elder flicker]

When is it releasing btw

[serene chasm]

apwot? They just finished printing

[elder flicker]

Cool

[narrow lava]

uhm, so how about those silk songs?

[vagrant umbra]

Silksong isn’t a song.
It’s the band.

[narrow lava]

but what about the tea kettle?

[nimble pebble]

[lavish veldt]

Random thing I thought of, but the Grimm troupe could theoretically appear, or at least be referenced in silksong because of how the lore of the Grimm troupe is they go to different fallen kingdoms, harnessing the nightmare energy of the kingdom, SO THEORETICALLY the Grimm troupe should appear in silksong, hell, maybe we even fight the grown up version of the grimmchild, or not, team cherry probably isn’t gonna do that but it would be cool

[nimble pebble]

Pharloom isn't a dead kingdom

[lavish veldt]

How do we know this, in kings pass and elegy for hallownest it is said that hallownest was the last thriving kingdom, and it still fell

[nimble pebble]

Because there's more NPCs and actual existing towns with people in it

And the affliction of Pharloom being a curse not a disease

[lavish veldt]

There were towns with people in it in hallownest, doesn’t mean it’s thriving

[nimble pebble]

Pharloom isn't thriving, it's dying but it's not dead yet therefore it isn't eligible for the Grimm troupe

Also Hallownest has one dying town and a few tribes

[lavish veldt]

It has city of tears, and Dirtmouth, and distant village, and mantis village

[nimble pebble]

Those aren't Towns we've seen far more NPC's in the few places we've seen in SS than the entirety of Hallownest it's much more alive than the dead kingdom of Hallwonest

[lavish veldt]

However, the elegy for hallownest and kings pass lore tablets notes that this was the last surviving kingdom

[nimble pebble]

CoT is full of reanimated corpses Dirtmouth consists of 5 people, Distant village is reanimated corpses/ infected arachnids and Mantis village is a tribe of bugs that existed before and after Hallownest's Rise and Fall and was neve really a part of it

[serene chasm]

Sometimes rulers lie

[lavish veldt]

How can there be a live kingdom, and a kingdom noting it’s the last remaining kingdom, separate from each other

[nimble pebble]

That's propeganda

[lavish veldt]

Monomon wrote elegy

[serene chasm]

She was lied to

[nimble pebble]

Ellina can read the "Higher beings these words are for you alone" proving a normal bug can read them

It's just propaganda

If your only evidence for Pharloom not being a living kingdom being some Propaganda then it's a weak argument

[lavish veldt]

Fair, Ig, but the godseeker is also eligible for this kingdom

[cerulean sable]

make godmaster non canon

[nimble pebble]

The most likely to show up besides Hornet is Mr Mushroom

Ze'mer is from "Lands serene" and is most likely not Pharloom and zote is from fuck knows where, Iselda and Cornifer came from somewhere, and Cloth I recall is also not a Hallwonest native, neither is Lemm these bugs had to have come from other kingdoms of which there are likely many

[lavish veldt]

I do think something like godhome will eventually exist though, because the hardest parts of hk were in godhome, and team cherry is gonna find a way to make us suffer with some insanely hard challenge that’s really fucking hard and a very small amount of people can actually do

[serene chasm]

Ari did say to mossbag that he hopes we dont expect another godhome.

[lavish veldt]

Odd statement but potentially (this probably won’t happen) but there could be a vessel in pharloom, because the vessels did find a way to escape the abyss, examples are the knight, lost kin, and the one in the background of hornet 1. And the player did escape hallownest and came back so I say there’s a chance there could be a vessel in pharloom, probably won’t be though

[nimble pebble]

Another Boss rush is possible but not a Godhome style one

[nimble pebble]

They never escape outside of Hallownest aside from the knight but it came back and the rest died

Most things in HK will stay self contained since SS is stanalone

[fiery coral]

wait is that confirmed

[lavish veldt]

Well we don’t know if there were other ones besides the knight

[lavish veldt]

Confirmed that the vessels escaped from the abyss?

[nimble pebble]

Yes

[fiery coral]

this bit

[serene chasm]

totally not vessel but people will think they are and will make useless lore theories about them

[fiery coral]

ooh, a Vessel

[lavish veldt]

We don’t know that none left hallownest besides the knight, the closest we get to leaving hallownest is the cliffs

[nimble pebble]

Well, 99% of them are dead few made it deepnest and only one made it to greenpath and The Knight is the only known vessel to escape Hallownest

[lavish veldt]

“the knight is the only known vessel to escape hallownest beside the knight”

[serene chasm]

wouldnt any vessel that made it out of Hallownest return when basically the call went out

[nimble pebble]

It's kind of like there's no reason to believe there's other moths besides the ones rad created outside of Hallownest since it's not implied to be and we have no reason to believe it as such

[nimble pebble]

Yes

[fiery coral]

ah, fair

[lavish veldt]

I’m pretty sure the moths existed before the radiance, or at least the radiance didn’t create the moths

[nimble pebble]

[unkempt wraith]

does silksong still exist?

[lavish veldt]

oh no

[nimble pebble]

yes, wait for further information

[unkempt wraith]

ok, thanks, UwU

[nimble pebble]

The Moths were created by Rad seer tells us as such, they were created to worship rad then they betrayed rad because the pale fork was a better nightlight

[unkempt wraith]

why did the end of that sentence kill me?

[lavish veldt]

SAME, I’m calling pale king pale fork now

[nimble pebble]

So much Essence... So bright.... You truly are the Wielder my tribe so long has dreamed of.
The folk of my tribe were born from a light. Light similar to Essence, similar to that powerful blade, though much brighter still.
They were content to bask in that light and honoured it... for a time.
But another light appeared in our world... A wyrm that took the form of a king.
How fickle my ancestors must have been. They forsook the light that spawned them. Turned their backs to it... Forgot it even.
And so this kingdom was born from that betrayal. But the memories of that ancient light still lingered, hush whispers of faith... Until all of Hallownest began to dream of that forgotten light.
Ah, but what's done is done. And so am I. The Wielder has at last appeared and I've held the memories of my tribe for long enough. It is time for us to be forgotten too.
Don't remember us, Wielder. Don't honour us. We do not deserve it...
Aahh... I'm sorry...
Light... Radiance...
I... remember you.

This is more a lore discussion but we've been given no reason to believe of other moths besides the ones Rad created because the very concept of Moths in HK came into being via rad

Since they are made in her image

[lavish veldt]

this all started cause I said the Grimm troupe could appear in ss

[nimble pebble]

You said should

[lavish veldt]

I said could

[nimble pebble]

I agree that Grimm could

[lavish veldt]

fuck I did say should, I meant could

[nimble pebble]

I see

[lavish veldt]

Anyways this was a nice discussion about why I should never be trusted to tell anyone anything lore related because I’m bad

[nimble pebble]

[cerulean sable]

the strat here

is to completely ignore the lore because i have a bad feeling they might fuck it up in SS 😎

[vivid belfry]

How

[nimble pebble]

Can't fuck it up if you keep SS so standalone and reference nothing involving HK

[cerulean sable]

for real more of a cautious optimistic view on it

[vivid belfry]

Yeah it's not like anything from HK's plot is going to be expanded upon

[cerulean sable]

like the rest of the component im kinda confident, its more of case about how some artist would sometimes have weaker stories on their later iterations

not saying its an insta indicator that its gonna be bad, more of a "well see how well they do it" i guess

[vivid belfry]

Unless they did some shit like "every wyrm is actually a split from one original mind, who is Alex from YIIK"

[nimble pebble]

Isn't this also the reason SS will be the last HK game for awhile while the make other things?

[lavish veldt]

I’m not as worried about the lore as I am about it becoming too complicated for it’s own good, it seems the mechanics in ss are becoming complicated and not as simple as hk, and I’m just slightly worried that team cherry will keep adding new mechanics until it loses its fun, and becomes a logic puzzle of what the hell you’re supposed to do instead of a metrodvania

[cerulean sable]

is it tho

[nimble pebble]

Don't want to milk it dry and drag it out so it ends up being bad from lack of creativity

[vivid belfry]

I think silksong has the potential to have a stronger narrative than HK just because they're working with pre-established rules and the character interactions seem more in focus

[nimble pebble]

But in all honesty it's probably "we've got ideas for other games" and wanting to branch out of Metroidvania genre comments

[cerulean sable]

fair, but stories can get a hit a miss as sometimes they try to go way more beyond than the earlier iterations, from what i could gather

[nimble pebble]

SS isn't complicated, HK is just that simple

[cerulean sable]

really as long as they dont over do it or do some attempted on making a "YOU WERE THE CONDUCTOR ALL ALONG" twist, which also somehow creates plotholes then its good

but again, this is more of a case of me not being able to say much until i see the actual game

[lavish veldt]

That’s what I’m saying, I’m saying hk isn’t complicated, I’m just worried ss will become too complicated

[nimble pebble]

Pretty sure the narrative will be "We need magic silk bugs, You are one, You are kidnapped"

[untold inlet]

i wonder if we in this channel have just predicted everything that will be in ss through sheer luck

[nimble pebble]

Probably not

[untold inlet]

like i wonder if when the game comes out you'll be able to search any aspect of it in this server and find someone who called it

[nimble pebble]

We don't even know half the areas, boss, NPC's, tools etc

[serene chasm]

I bet weve seen like 1% of the game

[nimble pebble]

^

[serene chasm]

fuck does that hype me

[nimble pebble]

Same

[untold inlet]

yeah that'll be one of the benefits of the lack of news

[serene chasm]

Ive seen all Ive needed to see of SS

[untold inlet]

i suppose it's sort of a trade-off: the waiting period is a bit rougher but the actual game is more enjoyable as a result

it's certainly a trade-off i'd make in a heartbeat

[nimble pebble]

2021 is the only year where lack of news is actually accurate

[hollow terrace]

Lets gooooo for 8 months of nothing

[heavy mason]

And that’s killing me

Seriously, we need something, I’m starving for ss content 😔

[hollow terrace]

C’mon guys we can reach that goal of one year of nothing

[nimble pebble]

Nah, December going to slap us with something

Though if it doesn't then it will be indeed 1 year of nothing

[heavy mason]

Imagine a direct and they say “available at the end of the direct” xd

[serene chasm]

At least we have Outer Wilds DLC to keep us sated

[nimble pebble]

but if 1 year of nothing means SS 2022 then it's pretty pog

[nimble pebble]

It gettin dlc?

[fiery coral]

Echoes of the Eye

[hollow terrace]

HOLLOW KNIGHT 2 in 2022

lines up pretty nicely

[serene chasm]

Yup. End of September

[nimble pebble]

I can't remember if I put Outer wilds on the ol Christmas list, I believe I did

[serene chasm]

You should. Fantastic game

[nimble pebble]

If it isn't then I just forgot

Problem is, the list is pretty full and I might have forgotten to add it when I originally sent my parents the list

So I'll have to ask if I can add it

[serene chasm]

Whats currently on the list?

[cerulean sable]

Hollow Knight 2022

inb4 they have to rebrand it because theres already an existing song called Silk Song

made by indians i think

[nimble pebble]

Super mario world + bowsers fury, The Great Ace Attorney chronicles, the Famicom dective club bundle, New Pokemon snap, Stardew valley, Hades, Enter the gungeon limited edition triple vinyl set I'm drawing blanks on the others right now

But I'm getting Monster hunter stories 2 for completing my history exam and I'm getting skyward sword joycons and skyward sword for my birthday

[nimble pebble]

Native American or actually Indian

[cerulean sable]

latter

[nimble pebble]

I see

[undone crescent]

pehe

[digital junco]

that would feel so weird lmao

all that time calling it silksong and then suddenly it gets a new name

would be wacky but def possible

[nimble pebble]

Tbf SS is HK: SS

it's also technically one word instead of 2 like that existing song

[mortal grove]

slijsong

[cerulean sable]

honestly i will never not be dissapointed at Godmaster

like its an ok title

but i vastly prefered Gods and Glory until they got copyright striked

Godmaster just sounds so forced for me

[digital junco]

Yeah i agree

I swear ive heard Gods And Glory multiple times tho how tf do they get to strike that

Thats just how it is ig

[cerulean sable]

cuz theres another shitty mobile game called Gods and Glory

but its fair that theyll get covered away from search if TC kept that name

[digital junco]

True

[copper knot]

bruh

thats dumb

thats like getting copyright striked for having a character named joe in your game because their real name is joe

[cerulean sable]

Well blame Generic Mobile Title: The Game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fridaysgames.godsandglory&hl=en&gl=US

[safe adder]

So where is milk song?

[ocean mulch]

Dad went to buy it

[edgy sleet]

what wHATT

[sweet lotus]

no more SS content, next thing to be revealed a release date, whenever it is

[edgy sleet]

how do we know

[signal crag]

(We don’t)

[wide mango]

Didn’t know they got copyright strikes for that

Whacky I liked the name

[edgy sleet]

if you guys need silksong content then i recommend this demake by elvies
https://elvies.itch.io/silksongdemake

[cerulean sable]

was pretty good, but the knockback is a bit too much for now and i feel weird to have bind on down button

[pallid flare]

the game also broke several times for me

[nimble halo]

What if Silksong is really the friends we met along the way

[cerulean sable]

true

https://youtu.be/zRs58D34OLY?t=88 is it me or does this latter section not play at all in the demo fight with lace

it loops back into the start

thats what i could fainly hear in the treehouse demo

[silver oak]

Help it’s 4 am

[edgy sleet]

yeah its not perfect all credit to elvies

[cerulean sable]

ye

[edgy sleet]

ive been excited about the project for a while

[edgy sleet]

yeah

any silksong release speculation?

[late yacht]

Not really, any "predictions" at this point are just guesses. We don't have much to go off of

[primal oriole]

that's never stopped us before

[nimble pebble]

Tomorrow

Source? Trust me bro

[edgy sleet]

obviously

i feel like its soon tho

this is just grasping for stuff but in australia right now theres a massive covid outbreak in one of our states i live in said state and its gone on for 6 weeks with another 4 weeks just announcent (can't spell) and a lot of people are at home doing nothing (besides online school) so maybe team cherry would release it now since so many people are stuck in their homes. tho this is unlikely

[cursive jetty]

That depends on the state of the game

[signal crag]

If it is complete, then sure, yeah

[cerulean sable]

that is a weird metric to release a game

[edgy sleet]

yeah its just a very bad theory

i very much doubt it

[cursive jetty]

Personally, I just hope they don't release when next year of uni starts

[edgy sleet]

lol

[cursive jetty]

But then again it would make it more bearable

[edgy sleet]

yeah

[dreamy lava]

I lost my will of speculating a release date long time ago...

[cursive jetty]

My predictions are either this year (maybe when Christmas starts), or early to mid 2022

I don't think we'll wait until 2023

I hope

[signal crag]

Wanna bet?

[edgy sleet]

i think next 3 months or october and september

[tall hinge]

8 months ago

[signal crag]

The “info soon” was EDGE, right?

[dreamy lava]

Yeah

That was right before edge

[tall hinge]

true i didnt realize

[cursive jetty]

PAX AUS starts October right?

[edgy sleet]

i doubt ss will be there

if it is im begging my parents

[wooden sorrel]

I feel like threads are great for this channel for when it goes slightly off topic

[formal karma]

the only reason ss will be at pax aus is if it just so happens to be ready by then

[wooden sorrel]

I'm low-key happy SS is taking so long because that must mean it's huge

[edgy sleet]

yeah

[formal karma]

for sure, AND there's plenty of other games in the meantime...

[wooden sorrel]

I just finished ender lilies

It was a fun play

[formal karma]

'bout to get into some Unbound; Worlds Apart

[wooden sorrel]

Oh is it any good?

From what you know

[formal karma]

haven't played it yet- but it looks amazing

its mechanics are right up my alley

[sweet lotus]

exactly my sentiment

[coarse leaf]

same

[sweet lotus]

I like the fact that the announcement trailer is richer in gameplay, enemies, moveset and biomes than most of similar games' launch trailers, and it's been 2,5 years since then.

[cursive jetty]

I'm kinda holding myself back from playing metroidvanias while waiting for Silksong, because I'm afraid I might get bored of them when Silksong comes out

[sweet lotus]

I kinda burned myself out on metroidvanias early this year

I have Kunai high on my backlog, which is fun

[cursive jetty]

Yeah, there's nothing worst than waiting for a game to be announced and getting only a cutscene or a logo

[sweet lotus]

Metroid Prime 4, a sad story

which I hope will turn happy eventually

[cursive jetty]

Imagine if the Silksong reveal trailer was just the opening cutscene

[sweet lotus]

we've gotten a ton of info on the game and the fanbase is like this; imagine the contrary

[cursive jetty]

It's impossible to satisfy an entire fandom, it's either to little or too much information for some people

[dreamy zenith]

replace that with kingdom and you have a pale king quote

[fiery coral]

[hollow gull]

wait what

[pallid flare]

whats wrong

[hollow gull]

I'd never heard of silk soul mode before

[tall hinge]

oh thats well known

they talk about it more in the details video on their channel

[pallid flare]

yeah it's pretty well known

[hollow gull]

whaaaat, how did I miss this

[tall hinge]

haha yeah its really easy to miss it

[tall hinge]

well the first like 20 secs is the opening cutscene, i dont really get what youre saying here

[hollow gull]

do we know what silk soul actually is?

[tall hinge]

they said they wanted to make it different from steel soul in that it didnt change anything other than the one death mechanic. they said it would change more things but didnt really expand on it much

[hollow gull]

interesting

[cerulean sable]

inb4 samething what happened to the death system

[cursive jetty]

We were talking about games that get announced with trailers that show only cutscenes or logos with no gameplay, so I just said imagine if the Silksong reveal trailer showed only the opening cutscene and nothing else, like those other trailers

[cerulean sable]

they got interviewed with "btw what happens when you die" and they were like "OH DONT WORRY, we have it all rolled out and its gonna be a surprise that youll find out once the game is out 😉 "

then once the interview was over, both ari and william told each other "so uhh, how are we gonna do the death mechanic?"

[tall hinge]

ooooooh ok

[hollow gull]

one thing I noticed watching the treehouse footage is that the enemy arena in deep docks seems to be a lot longer than most of the arenas in hollow knight, which is nice imo

arenas in hk with just two or three waves were a little underwhelming

[signal crag]

I actually hope there are more of those tbh

[dreamy zenith]

Today is the first time i realised silk soul is a real thing not just a fanname for a hardmode.
Of course it is.

[signal crag]

Lmao

[solid siren]

Man I'd pay for a crumb of information on how the development is going

[elder flicker]

Not even about the game, just about the progress

[cerulean sable]

its also a part that im excited for, which is extra emphasis on regular mobs for combat

they already admitted the most HK had with those was the shield ones even they were pretty simple

[pallid flare]

there were way too many simple enemies

[signal crag]

One of the most complex ones are the moss knights in greenpath, but after that point that level of complexity....never really repeats for some reason.

[pallid flare]

pale lurker is apparently an enemy too

[signal crag]

I think it could also count as a miniboss, it’s very unique and one of a kind too

I mean, there’s the whole “bosses that looks more like mini bosses” discussion

[pallid flare]

can you really go fancy with regular enemies?

[copper knot]

bug go brr

[supple jungle]

my ss run died to a dirtcarver

[tawdry valley]

Pale lurker was a miniboss for all intents and purposes.

They scale with nail level, have a couple hundred Hp, a custom arena, a boss drop, etc

I’d imagine the only reason soul warrior got the godhome statue was because they didn’t like the Pale lurker fight as much either, or because of the arena size.

[supple jungle]

i like the pale lurker

[tawdry valley]

Yeah me too, but would you like to play a game of hide and go seek every time you got halfway through pantheon 5?

[supple jungle]

it would be like the eternal ordeal you could only fight pale lurker in god home

[tawdry valley]

If they added pale lurker as he appears in-world he would be a pretty Garbo pantheon boss. I feel like they would at least try to mix it up a little.
After all, PL used to be a colo champion

Could be a PV vs THK type deal if they had the time.

[coarse leaf]

Isnt Pale Lurker a she?

[tawdry valley]

I believe so actually. Force of habit.

[coarse leaf]

Most bugs don't look like a certain gender, so its alright

"The French and German translations of the game confirm the Pale Lurker's gender to be female."

[fiery coral]

how accurate were the French translations exactly

[coarse leaf]

Idk

[fiery coral]

haven't heard much about the German one, but the French is pretty infamous

[coarse leaf]

true

Though I'm not sure if two translations could mess up a gender

[coarse leaf]

The german one feels like they just Google translated it, its the exact and direct translation, which is kinda cursed sometimes

[coarse leaf]

So their gender could be a mistranslation

[harsh frost]

French translation got fixed somewhat in the recent patches

[burnt topaz]

I guess PL was too minor of a character for them to even care

[harsh frost]

German translation is supposed to be pretty accurate especially concerning genders, there used to be a German translator active here

[fiery coral]

ah

[burnt topaz]

what was the fix about?

[coarse leaf]

So, is it safe to assume shes a she

[harsh frost]

some names got a better translation, Hornet's cut text was removed, some minor dialogue mistakes got fixed

[pallid flare]

german translations tend to be rough

[harsh frost]

it is, yeah. Pale Lurker was also voiced by Makoto who voices most female characters. and Team Cherry explained in a deleted stream that translators get a document with genders for all characters

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[coarse leaf]

Well that essentially confirms it

[coarse leaf]

Yeah the best example for that is probably Dirtmouth which, in the german translation is Mistmund, which you could translate to something like dung mouth

[coarse leaf]

Still kind of accurate

[harsh frost]

that name isn't meant to be a literal translation though

[haughty ingot]

heh.

[pallid flare]

the direct translation would sound worse so i'm happy that they went with that

[coarse leaf]

mistmund sounds cool tbh

[dreamy zenith]

Maybe the english translation of the german translation of the English version would be mist mound

[burnt topaz]

Mistmound sounds quite cool but doesnt fit as well as dirtmouth

[dreamy zenith]

yep

[burnt topaz]

Could you imagine if there was a silksong town called mistmound, sounds sick

[dreamy zenith]

hmm yes

bone bottom, more like chitin central nervous system

[burnt topaz]

mm barnacle bay, more like crustacean quay

[dreamy zenith]

bold but brash, more like belongs in the trash

gimme silksong squarepants

[coarse leaf]

mistmund could be in greymoor

mistmound*

I was going to say something about the name 'Mistmound'

It sounds fuckin sick

[tawdry valley]

Petition to refer to dirtmouth and bone bottom as “shitlips” and “hardass” respectively from now on.

[dreamy zenith]

bone bottom == enamel ending

[vivid belfry]

They call it bonebottom because mossbottom is nasty

[dreamy zenith]

Neville bone bottom

[lyric drift]

I feel like bone bottom isn't much better. Also, and rumors pop up?

[coarse leaf]

Bonebottom is a pretty good name imo

At first it sounds silly but it fits and is pretty catchy

[vivid belfry]

We like bonebottom now because of immersion therapy

[coarse leaf]

Basically

[vivid belfry]

If you listen to bad music enough times it becomes good because your brain is trying to save you

I know this as a 100 gecs fan

[dreamy zenith]

hmmmmm

[coarse leaf]

HK fans then: Bonebottom? Hahahaa funny bottom name bottoms

HK fans now: This name really tells us a lot about the release date of Silksong

[dreamy zenith]

The Industrial Revolution and it's consequences for the Silksong release date, by Wizard . S . Phant

[lyric drift]

Bone bottom, where our hopes are for SS actually releasing

[coarse leaf]

Wizard S. Phant, tell us your knowledge

[wise thunder]

What did I miss?

[pallid flare]

literally nothing

[wise thunder]

[coarse leaf]

[coarse leaf]

https://youtu.be/VmOBTcvWMe8?t=1

[coarse leaf]

tf is this

[pallid flare]

what is this

[coarse leaf]

it's a funny but completely unrelated vid

[coarse leaf]

well... joke that didn't work, that's what I could say)

oh

what was the joke

this smiles made me think of this vid)

ohhhh

yeah I see that

also why did you have such a odd video readily available for that

well, idk... just forget it. that's it)

[pallid flare]

ok)

[coarse leaf]

sure)

Still haven’t breathed yet 👽

[wooden sorrel]

100 gecs straight heat

[coarse leaf]

Wtf 💀

[vivid belfry]

I thought the first one was intentional

[coarse leaf]

I was going to post the image when they said they havent breathed yet but someone else sent a message

[coarse leaf]

Lmao now I get it

hey why is your name beamsontoast and not beansontoast

[serene chasm]

What is up my Silkhomies

[dreamy zenith]

standard

Plain toast news wise

[coarse leaf]

Because I don’t eat beans on toast. I eat beams on toast

[coarse leaf]

Is that you Radiance

[coarse leaf]

Yes am radence

[coarse leaf]

awesome

[dreamy zenith]

Fastantic

[serene chasm]

incredible

[pallid flare]

great

[cyan forum]

Do any of you guys think we will get some sort of news regarding Silksong this summer?

[pallid flare]

personally, no

[rare nymph]

Maybe we won't see it this summer, but I definitely hope we will at TGA.

[serene chasm]

Depends? Summer for TC or summer for the Northerners?

[elder temple]

I’d be surprised if we got any this year

[coarse leaf]

tremendously great

Hard read: News this august guaranteed

Don’t @ me

[coarse leaf]

🇹 🇷 🇺 🇪

there will be news

will we finally hear "there has been news to report for Silksong today"

[red temple]

But the thumbnail would change too

[coarse leaf]

truee

unless they bait us

[red temple]

I think that guy knows better

[coarse leaf]

🇴 🇰 :)

[red temple]

Built up a decent start of a following with just this. No bullshit no nonsense, not stuff dragging on

[coarse leaf]

yes

[languid linden]

Well, he considered saying there was news on April Fools day

[red temple]

yeah, and that's been done already too. And way too well did the fake news spread

[languid linden]

When?

[red temple]

April fools last year, on the HK subreddit

[languid linden]

Oh okay

[coarse leaf]

No 💀

On April fools last year I think they had a rickrolle

[coarse leaf]

elderbug is gonna be the final boss of silksong

[serene chasm]

TC never rick rolled anyone

[languid linden]

That wasn't TC, that was a fake account

[sweet lotus]

TeamCherryGanes has made a number

[coarse leaf]

And it wasnt last year, it was April 1st 2021

iirc

tbf I wouldnt mind if THE Team Cherry rickrolled everyone

[languid linden]

That was the YT one

[coarse leaf]

oh, I got hk in July last year so I dont recall that one

[vivid belfry]

Hornet should have a passive tool that makes the dash attack let you stay grounded

[serene chasm]

like the spider crawl?

[vivid belfry]

I don't think so

I wonder if you even can dash attack from that animation

[serene chasm]

I could see being able to use a ranged attack like silk spear from it.

[haughty ingot]

is silksong good yet

get it i replaced the expected "out" with "good"
but this is a pointless question since we know silksong is gonna be good

[serene chasm]

Or is it?

Also SS wont be good

[coarse leaf]

SS is bad I tried it at comic con or something I was drunk so I cant remembre

[vivid belfry]

Is silksong the much anticipated sequel to the 2017 indie metroidavnia "Hollow Knight," made by Australian developers Team Cherry yet

[coarse leaf]

Who's Australia

[idle swallow]

Nah silksong is the name of an indian song

[serene chasm]

Augustus Australia was the man who discovered the Country of Australia

[coarse leaf]

What's a country

[round crest]

Country balls

[coarse leaf]

Silksong is countryballs

[serene chasm]

A place with roads that take you home

[coarse leaf]

Country roads take you home?

[pallid flare]

west Virginiaaaaaa

[stone comet]

when the mountain is a mother

[serene chasm]

To the place where you belong

[haughty ingot]

i'm hoping to see this accordion bug in silksong. I would imagine it playing an accordion sound every time you hit it

[serene chasm]

#stopaccordionbugabuse

[vivid belfry]

Ara on the "Nymm is a pharloom native" hype train I see

I would consider that confirmation of my wackass theory

[serene chasm]

I wonder if we will be told if there are even more kingdoms out there. TC talks about pilgrims travelling to Pharloom, so that kinda points to yes, but it would be cool to learn more about the Hollow-verse

[haughty ingot]

nah idc about nymm

i just want to smack that accordion bug

[serene chasm]

nymm will remember that

[haughty ingot]

let him
fuck nymm

[vivid belfry]

I mean think about it

[serene chasm]

Agreed. He abuses accordion bugs

[coarse leaf]

nymm nymms

[old turret]

silky songs being sung

[vivid belfry]

He's got the neck ruffles, he's always carrying an instrument, he makes a charm containing a song (which the weavers also do) and he incorporates music-based lingo into his discussion even when it's not actually relevant

[coarse leaf]

I see your point but why does his neck ruffles matter

[vivid belfry]

They're a repeating fashion item in silksong we've seen a couple times

Trobbio and Seth have very similar looking garments

[coarse leaf]

Maybe he's Trobbios brother (hot take)

[vivid belfry]

The Trobbio Grimm Troupe theorists were right

[haughty ingot]

is nymm a butterfly

[serene chasm]

no. he's a nymm

[vivid belfry]

I'm gonna say no because he doesn't have antennae

[coarse leaf]

I'm making a good bet that Trobbio has his own theatre

[pallid flare]

he travels around so probably not

[coarse leaf]

Wait he does?

What if he kidnaps people and brings them into his theatre

[haughty ingot]

then he's based and redpilled

[serene chasm]

And forces them to watch his terrible performances

[coarse leaf]

brilliant*

[pallid flare]

curly do you hate trobbio

[coarse leaf]

Trobbio is literally

[serene chasm]

Hornet isnt out of breath or hurt in this scene. She's cringing

[coarse leaf]

No Hornet is tired of his stage personality bullshit

[pallid flare]

any enemy of trobbio is also my enemy

[vivid belfry]

This shot is so fucking wack

[serene chasm]

No. He's probably annoying but harmless. Sherma on the otherhand

[vivid belfry]

Like, why is she panting if she has 3 masks

[coarse leaf]

[vivid belfry]

Is it a cutscene? Why is the HUD visible at all then?

[coarse leaf]

I am most excited for Sherma and Trobbio

[floral kindle]

Probably because of smoke

[vivid belfry]

Why does the attack indicator right next to her fail to trigger a confetti cannon

Does Trobbio's little light circle also do damage? That would be a pretty cool subversion of the standard attack pillars format

[serene chasm]

Gotta remember that the trailer is still pretty early in development, and the hud might disappear in the final game

[vivid belfry]

I mean we see the HUD gone in other shots that it should probably be in, so I think they should be able to just turn it off with debug

[serene chasm]

But why not turn if off for the whole trailer?

[vivid belfry]

There are parts where it's important

But I feel like this is not one of them

[serene chasm]

Most are cutscene type scenes.

[vivid belfry]

Unless it is normal gameplay in which case why the low health animation

[vivid belfry]

Are you sure about that.

[serene chasm]

Only scene where the hud isnt in that doesnt seem to be a scripted event

[pallid flare]

is that a flea in the background

[vivid belfry]

Oh you meant scenes without the hud

I thought you meant the entire trailer was cutscenes

[serene chasm]

I dont think so. Looks like a regular flying bug. Like the guard bug

Im hoping that the above screenshot/scene means that the hud will disappear after a while when on a bench

[vivid belfry]

Well that scene also has camera movement detached from hornet so that's why it's gone there

[serene chasm]

why would there be a scripted scene of hornet sitting on a bench

[vivid belfry]

There isn't, they probably just used dev tools to disable the hud and move the camera

Or maybe there is and it's supposed to be a big dramatic moment with the town name popping up, idk

[serene chasm]

Sure. But it seems odd for them to do that for that one scene

[vivid belfry]

Do you have an alternative explanation for why the camera is slowly drifting away from the player

[pallid flare]

EDGE said that there will be more of those bench pranks

like that one in the distant village

[sweet lotus]

did they? don't remember it

[pallid flare]

they did

[serene chasm]

That they made the benches more cinematic. All we know is that the camera pans lightly up and down to show more of the scene

[pallid flare]

i am too lazy to get you proof though

[sweet lotus]

oh, right\

[next mesa]

Silk

[sweet lotus]

These are crafted or replenished at benches (Hollow Knight’s checkpointing system of choice, which delights in popping up players with cheeky tricks — something which will very much continue in Silksong, we’re told)

[nimble pebble]

I can't wait to fight the Flamenco ant queen

[pallid flare]

thank you for fetching that

[sweet lotus]

no problem

[serene chasm]

[sweet lotus]

I've transcribed the interview

[nimble pebble]

Can't wait for tooless Pantheon of Pharloom

@serene chasm I wanted to get outer wilds for switch but can't seem to find it anywhere despite the fact they said summer 2021 and we're nearly August

[serene chasm]

Odd. I thought it had a release date by now. I feel like they might release if for the switch when the new DLC drops and the end of September.

[stiff burrow]

Summer doesn't end until end of September so it makes sense

[nimble pebble]

Thanks for the info

[nimble pebble]

It says Summer 2021 not End of Summer 2021

[vivid belfry]

Can't wait for Omori switch so my stepbrother can play it

[serene chasm]

Video game release dates are silly

[stiff burrow]

End of Summer 2021 is part of Summer 2021

[serene chasm]

Have they said anything about Omori on switch, Grover?

[nimble pebble]

I might play Omori eventually but it's too fresh in my mind from watching someone else play it + I'm not a big fan of turn based combat I have mixed feelings

[vivid belfry]

I think they've said it will exist

[pallid flare]

omori good

[serene chasm]

All I know about it is that its a turn based rpg? with a story that deals with mental illness in a creepy way. I think

[analog forge]

not a creepy way i dont think, just a way

[pallid flare]

the mental illness is more on the side

[analog forge]

I dont know, i havent played it either
but you could always just play it on pc

I bet even a calculator could run it

[nimble pebble]

The way it's depicted is in a way that people who don't have mental illness can come to an understanding of what some people with mental illness suffer with

[languid linden]

All I know is that someone's depressed and also apparently major ending spoilers ||Good ending is something about friends I think and bad ending is you commit suicide||

[nimble pebble]

Not everyone owns a PC and while I do own both a PC and a Switch some might have one or the other but prefer another platform, I for one prefer some games on switch and others on PC

[red temple]

Yume Nikki?

[nimble pebble]

I've seen ||the good ending, I like it||

[languid linden]

No idea what that means

[analog forge]

Everyone who owns a switch probably also has a computer in their household, dont be silly

[languid linden]

How is that a spoiler

[coarse leaf]

Did you just say an INAPPROPIATE word in Hollow Knight discord? BANNED 😡

[red temple]

That's a game from early 2000's that had a story like you just described

[languid linden]

No, I was talking about Omori

[nimble pebble]

Is there some action I shouldn't commit for the bad ending?

I want good ending

[serene chasm]

I highly doubt that is true

[analog forge]

dont save professor booster

wait, no, wrong game

[nimble pebble]

Even if they did have a PC in the house it may not be theirs and their hours on it could be limited or can't even use it

[analog forge]

Its not about if they have a pc in their household, its about how limited their access to it is

[red temple]

parents house eh?

[analog forge]

If you have a television set and a switch, you're likely to also have a pc (in the household)

[nimble pebble]

TV's cost less than PC's these days

[languid linden]

Not necessarily

[nimble pebble]

I got a 40 inch tv for $400 and I think the 55-60 inch was like $600-$700

That's much cheaper than a decent or good PC for gaming

[pallid flare]

yume nikki is a game where you explore some girl's dreams

[analog forge]

You dont need a decent pc for gaming to play something like omori

[red temple]

Yep

[analog forge]

you just need a computer that exists somewhere in the vicinity of some ram and a cpu

[pallid flare]

she dreams some trippy stuff and is the inspiration for Omori's... darker sequences

[red temple]

very strange and crazy dreams at that

[nimble pebble]

Just because some games could run a potato doesn't mean someone is going to purchase a PC just to play it

[vivid belfry]

However I do play low spec indie games on my 1000 dollar desktop

[analog forge]

My point is most people already own pcs.

[nimble pebble]

That's a bold assumption

[pallid flare]

depends on where you live

[serene chasm]

Lots of people do but not most

[analog forge]

according to the united states census, 80% of households have a desktop or laptop, so no, its not a bold assumption

[pallid flare]

not everyone lives in the US

[languid linden]

A lot of my irl friends don't

[nimble pebble]

I don't recall the U.S being the entirety of the world

[vivid belfry]

What the fuck?

[analog forge]

Look, ok, they dont run a worldwide census, otherwise i'd use that

[vivid belfry]

What the FUCK?

[pallid flare]

americans, i right?

[languid linden]

Who are american teenagers if that information matters

[vivid belfry]

I was misinformed?????

[nimble pebble]

I never understand the "we polled the people of this country for answers" and then you wonder who the fuck they polled since you weren't

[pallid flare]

that's a great point

[nimble pebble]

[analog forge]

its the census, do you not take the census?

[pallid flare]

i never knew anyone who got polled

[languid linden]

No I hide in my basement

Or chuck the census guy in my basement

[nimble pebble]

It's always funny when I hear "We polled Canadians about this and this is what they said" and you're wondering who the fuck they polled because they certainly didn't poll you

[sage berry]

they prob use maths, statistics, trends or whatever idk, I don't work for the census bureau

[analog forge]

Its almost like entities that arent literally the goverment cant exactly go around polling literally everyone in the country

[nimble pebble]

It's not a very accurate poll if you select who you want for your results instead of asking everyone like you claim

[analog forge]

Which is why things like the census exist

[nimble pebble]

Census' for important things like your date of birth home of residence etc

[sage berry]

I don't think any poll claims they've polled everyone

[nimble pebble]

It'd be pretty easy to say "We polled Pennsylvanians" instead of saying you polled "Americans" which refers to the entire nations people

[analog forge]

Yeah but that raises the same facetious complaint

[vivid belfry]

I asked every single person on the planet if they thought The Godfather was overrated with my dream broadcaster

[nimble pebble]

If you polled a specific area that's fine, but if you claim to poll the country and I wasn't included then I feel there's some Bullshit here

[vivid belfry]

If they didn't answer it's their fault

[analog forge]

"i live in pennslyvania and i certainly didnt get polled"

[sage berry]

I don't think they poll only one state

[nimble pebble]

I know, it was an example

[analog forge]

this repeats at smaller and smaller levels untill its the local neighborhood.

[sage berry]

they don't poll everyone yeah, but they probably poll different people from different areas and use maths to fill in the gaps

[nimble pebble]

They probably poll to get the results they want instead of just asking most people to get a proper result

Probably because they couldn't be assed to do it properly and just take shortcuts

[pallid flare]

don't trust any statistic you didn't make yourself

[red temple]

There's rules and guidelines for determining statistics

[sage berry]

I don't like to assume the worst of people

[analog forge]

No, you cant trust statistics.
Just be sure to actually read the stats and dont take mental shortcuts in understanding them

dont fall prey to the various biases.

[red temple]

Understanding how the stats were being determined in the first place is more important than the stats

[pallid flare]

always read the fine print

[sage berry]

besides, we could google "how polling works" instead of speculating

[coarse leaf]

But you can trust your mom

[analog forge]

its the census, i think we all know how the census works

[sage berry]

I don't

[pallid flare]

you usually can't trust your mum

[nimble pebble]

Ok but if I've seen several polls on things in my life and I wasn't a part of any and neither were any of my family members then who tf are they polling, you can't just claim you polled random people if over the course of many polls several people you know or are related to were never polled for any of this stuff

[sage berry]

or at least, I don't know the whole process of the census

[analog forge]

there are billions of people on earth.
you could grab a subset of a random 1000 every day for 3000 years and still never come across you

[lime vortex]

[nimble pebble]

The general Census for your date of birth, Place of residence at the current moment etc is mandatory, however most others are not, if bunch of people come forward answering the question that they have a PC but many more don't answer the question your results will be skewed

[nimble pebble]

Terrible example, 1000 people can't represent millions

[red temple]

I mean, people do masters just on mathematical subjects like statistics. It's not something you just figure out like thgat

[analog forge]

Then you could grab a million people every day for 25 years

[sage berry]

well pillow king, you should look into it then, if you don't know how it works, I think
cuz like, polls and surveys are pretty much all we have to figure out trends in populations

[nimble pebble]

If you want to claim you're getting a nations answers you would need the results of at least 65% of the population for it to even be remotely accurate

[analog forge]

lolwot

[nimble pebble]

That's like 75% of the population here

[red temple]

There's standards for what size your population has to be and what size it could represent within defined margins

[nimble pebble]

You can't just poll 5 people and then say "This is what Americans say about this"

[sage berry]

ok ok ok, it's pretty clear to me nobody here is experienced with statistics lmao
we should just stop and if you're curious, do some research
this whole convo is just a bunch of "I think"s

like, people go to university to understand this shit

[nimble pebble]

I think it's more you're trying to claim you do

[sage berry]

I can assure you, I am not

[nimble pebble]

Fair enough

[red temple]

Not a statistician personally, but a civil engineer that had a little bit of it

[analog forge]

obviously, 5 people is not a reliably sample size, like, no shit.
but 65% is obviously overkill

you can see trends start to line up way way before that

[pallid flare]

i just want to say that I have no experience in statistics and advanced maths whatsoever

[nimble pebble]

Trends don't mean shit when you're specifically asking for individual opinions

There's plenty of people that don't give jack shit about trends and there's also plenty that do

[analog forge]

wot

not trends as in "whats trendy", trends as in patterns of data

ya know, the patterns that give us greater understandings of the big picture, more than any individual anecdote ever could?

[nimble pebble]

Still trying to figure out how this connects to U.S citizens on a 80% average own a PC

[pallid flare]

back to omori

[analog forge]

I said that most people that have a switch, also have a pc in their household
Ergo, i used a stat to help illustrate that point.
obviously its different in different places, but other places dont really have data on the subject that i could find

[red temple]

An example how such data can be used in my line of work is in predicting design values of forces, wind speed/directions, wave heights etc. And combining those factors with whatever you design to comply with a standard of safety

[nimble pebble]

The U.S has a pretty high disparity between it's rich and poor and I think food on the table matters more, not to mention I hear more of people not owning one than owning one if we want to talk about statistical averages then by this statistic many don't own them

[nimble pebble]

Sounds based

[red temple]

what does that mean

[nimble pebble]

[analog forge]

thats not a stat, thats an anecdote

I didnt say people should go out and buy a laptop or desktop

i said that most household that own a piece of tech, are likely to have the most common piece of tech

er, well, second most common after smartphones, i guess

[serene chasm]

Did you guys get onto the topic of class inequality from if Omori can run on a potato PC

[nimble pebble]

The most common piece of tech is a smartphone or Television

[analog forge]

thats... what i said
literally just know

[nimble pebble]

More people own a TV than PC

[analog forge]

I dont consider tv a piece of tech in the same way i consider a smartphone or a switch or a pc.

[pallid flare]

there is some class inequality in omori so it kinda checks out

[serene chasm]

I really wish consoles gave stats like Steam does.

[red temple]

Once upon a time.. the creation of fire was considered technology

[analog forge]

and now its not, my point exactly

[red temple]

Well, it still is

we now use the creation of heat in much more high-tech solutions still. MRI-machines, the fridge, CPU dies

[vivid belfry]

There should be income inequality and lines of best fit in silksong

[nimble pebble]

It's a piece of technology (tech) just because you don't consider it one doesn't mean it is

[analog forge]

I didnt say i dont consider it tech, i said i dont consider it tech in the same way

[pallid flare]

there should be supply and demand. selling relics was unbalanced

[nimble pebble]

Then are you referring to portable devices? what way are you implying

[vivid belfry]

Plort market 2

[analog forge]

As in, the kind of tech that runs programs, and opens files, and connects us to each other and stuff.
I know smart tvs exist, but those arent quite the majority yet, i dont think.

Thats not based on anything concrete, its just a thought

[vivid belfry]

Videogame-compatible hardware

At least I think this topic is still about video games

[nimble pebble]

Samsung Smart fridge applies here then

[analog forge]

technically i guess

[nimble pebble]

Meaning it is the most owned tech in this scenario

Because most people have a fridge

[analog forge]

not even remotely close.

Sure lots of people own fridges, but smart fridges is a class of fridge that doesnt include every fridge

[tawdry valley]

I’m playing on a jailbroken Japanese luxury toilet seat.

[nimble pebble]

Amazing, what game

[analog forge]

Discord, obviously

[tawdry valley]

League of legends. Only thing that will startup

[nimble pebble]

Fridges have classes? I want to be a mage fridge then

[nimble pebble]

Then it's nothing more than trash tbh

[serene chasm]

That not LoL. Thats literal crap

[tawdry valley]

I’ve been mistaken

[serene chasm]

Common mistake.

[nimble pebble]

My Samsung smart staircase plays Silksong

[analog forge]

I'll often be walking my dog and wonder how a copy of league of legends got on the street

[nimble pebble]

copy?

People still using CD's on PC?

[pallid flare]

yes

[analog forge]

I assume people make like, commemorative empty cases for lol

my pc doesnt even have a cd drvie

[pallid flare]

I wish physical releases were more of a thing

[analog forge]

the problem with physical pc releases is that alot of prebuilts dont even come with cd players anymore

Most laptops dont either

[pallid flare]

DRMs are annoying tho

and actually owning the game is better

[analog forge]

Some online retailers dont have drm, like gog

[nimble pebble]

If you're using steam chances are you're just working with files all the time anyway

[pallid flare]

I recently bought a physical game

and there wasn't even a CD

it was just a steam key wtf

[analog forge]

Just a code in a case, yeah

[vivid belfry]

The case is the important part though

[analog forge]

Yeah so you can put your code on the bookshelf

Show everyone how much of a knob you are

[nimble pebble]

When I get game keys for games I yeet them out since they're useless now and keep the box

though tbh if I'm getting a box I'm getting physical and if I'm getting digital I'll just buy it on steam or the eshop

Or whatever online store you have on your console

[tawdry valley]

Rekt, nerd

[analog forge]

Do you think valve expected steam would literally supplant cds in terms of pc game storage?

[nimble pebble]

Yes

[tawdry valley]

It that’s what happens when you buy a physical game that isn’t for a specific console

[nimble pebble]

Gabe was fucking tired of Cd's so he made steam

That's literally the story

PC's are still inferior in storage to the human brain

[serene chasm]

unless that brain is mine

[nimble pebble]

The human brain has around 20-30 Petabytes

1 petabyte is 1000 terabytes

[tawdry valley]

Reminded me of this horror game that took place in a world where ||people had their limbs taken off, brains lobotomized; and then used for computing power.|| (potentially unsettling)

[analog forge]

at least pc storage doesnt randomly change for no reason

[serene chasm]

How does one even calculate that?

[analog forge]

ergo solid state data superior

[nimble pebble]

memory capablity of the average human

[pallid flare]

yeah but what is it based on

[nimble pebble]

Of course processing that much data would melt the brain so the brain selects information relevant to what you're thinking or talking about and forgets the rest or more accurately banks it in your memory for later use of course if you process the information as absolutely fucking useless you might bury it so deep in your memory bank that you can't really ever remember it and tbh that's technically your fault

We basically have amazing storage space but terrible ram

[mild stump]

didnt expect to see this as a topic in the hollow knight discord server

[nimble pebble]

When's the next human update for better ram

[red temple]

This is what lies at the heart of engineering as a whole, using theoretic principals to best estimate or implement something that resembles the situation at hand

[vivid belfry]

Mathematician: this expression is unsolvable
Engineer: eh, answer's close enough

[nimble pebble]

Saves them a lot of stress

[red temple]

Ever heard that the surface area of the human lung is a few hectares / football fields in area

[nimble pebble]

Amazing

[red temple]

That wasn't calculated by actually laying it out over a field of course

[nimble pebble]

Isn't the small intestinal track like 8 meters long

[red temple]

Jup

But you could just measure that up though

[vivid belfry]

Fun fact, if you stretched your body to a one atom thickness and stood it straight up on end you would fucking die

[pallid flare]

sounds decent

[red temple]

amazing

[nimble pebble]

An outstanding discovery

I wonder if the reason not much is being said right now is because others aren't sure how to contribute to the conversation

[pallid flare]

i am just hanging out somewhere else

[nimble pebble]

Fair enough

[chilly nexus]

oh hey i just recognized this place from the trailer as the same one in the image from edge where they talk about moving platforms

[nimble pebble]

Gilded city/Shining citadel yes

[vivid belfry]

Wow I didn't realize that little fella was holding pins

I think that makes it more likely the store on the right in the top image is a weapon shop

[velvet canyon]

so we hoping for like a 2025 release

[pallid flare]

no

basically, silksoon

[velvet canyon]

2026?

[pallid flare]

no

[velvet canyon]

2028?

why soon though, did something happened?

[cunning geode]

its always been "silksoon"

[burnt topaz]

because development cant go on forever i guess

[velvet canyon]

cause realistically i think 2022 is a good guess

[cunning geode]

i'd say that's fair

[pallid flare]

yeah 2022 sounds decent

[velvet canyon]

thats not silksoon 😔

[burnt topaz]

its fairly soon

[pallid flare]

in the grand scheme of things it is

[velvet canyon]

compared to how much we've waited yes, but its still another year or so

[burnt topaz]

dont think about it and 2022 will be here in a blink, its almost august as well

[pallid flare]

yeah go play some other game in the meantime

[velvet canyon]

my adhd cand barelly handel 2 weeks in the future as being soon so thats a no for me

[burnt topaz]

imo the wait becomes more unbearable the closer it gets to a date

[velvet canyon]

nah my hype has dissapeared for now so im good

[pallid flare]

great

[velvet canyon]

but yes the wait gets ways worse close to the release

[reef scarab]

It’s hard to imagine all of the hollow Knight content we have literally doubling in the span of the day it comes out

[velvet canyon]

exactly

like we have basically nothing

i cant wait to not be able to finish the game cause there are no guides out there

[burnt topaz]

I thought my hype disappeared and I listened to the sample osts for the first time in like 2 months and I felt how I first felt when I found out about silksong, the wait hasnt become more unbearable but that felt nice

[pallid flare]

cant wait to die repeatedly to all bosses

[velvet canyon]

except the first one

[burnt topaz]

cant wait to die to dave

[burnt topaz]

moss mother will beat your ass

[velvet canyon]

i hope not

[pallid flare]

imagine beating silksong in less than a week

[velvet canyon]

im not THAAAT bad at video games 😔

[pallid flare]

and then being like now what

[reef scarab]

Usually I get super hyped and then my hype goes into a state of hibernation for a few months until I rewatch every mossbag Silksong video

[velvet canyon]

time to 112% the game and wait for the dlcs

[burnt topaz]

I would definitely do it if i had the time

[velvet canyon]

i have a lot of tine ill definently do it

and i hope i find the true ending option WITHOUT the help of guides and such

[pallid flare]

theres some really hidden stuff in some games

[reef scarab]

100%? Without guides? Impossible.

[pallid flare]

and I wonder how people find them

[burnt topaz]

data mining and accidents

[pallid flare]

Hollow knight is beatable without guides

[cunning geode]

game binging

[burnt topaz]

hollow knight is very beatable without guides, i am just forgetful and a little stupid

[pallid flare]

same

[burnt topaz]

The only hk secret I dont think i wouldve found was the hive

or it wouldve taken a while

[reef scarab]

I just used vengeful spirit to kill a bee that was too far away and I was like??? YOOO

[velvet canyon]

im really bad at metroidvenia layouts so i wont be able to find the basic main roads to finish the game normally

[velvet ruin]

Somehow I found the Hive in my first playthrough and not Queen's Gardens

[velvet canyon]

SAME

[nimble pebble]

I used guides for very minor things like that one motherfcuking mask shard I can’t find but this was also my first Metroidvania and I didn’t know all the ins and outs of the genre

[velvet ruin]

Yeah this was my first metroidvania too, I definitely got better at them

[nimble pebble]

I’ve never cared about knowing information beforehand anyway when it comes to games

[reef scarab]

I’ve only played HK and Ender Lilies

[burnt topaz]

the only metroidvanias Ive played are HK and a celeste mod

[languid linden]

I've only played HK and SS

oops I think I just broke my NDA

[nimble pebble]

HK is one of the few games I went in completely blind all because I asked my friend what their Pfp was

[velvet ruin]

I played Bloodstained recently and I only overlooked like 4-5 secret rooms when I completed the game

[languid linden]

I've only played HK and both Ori games

[reef scarab]

I bought hollow knight because I’m an impulsive spender and absolutely NEEDED to buy a game

[nimble pebble]

Normally I research a games game play and or story before deciding to spend money on it

[velvet canyon]

ori games are metroidvenia tho?

[languid linden]

I think so

[reef scarab]

And hollow knight was cheap and I still decided to use gold points lol

[nimble pebble]

Ori games are just platformers with a Metroidvania skeleton stretched on

[velvet ruin]

I played HK, Ori 1 and 2, Blasphemous and Bloodstained

[velvet canyon]

wasnt the first one really liniar though?

[reef scarab]

I was considering buying ori until I learned there was no bosses

[velvet ruin]

Ori 2 has some bosses

They're very easy tho

[nimble pebble]

Ori doesn’t look like my type of game

[stiff burrow]

Ori focuses way more on platforming than combat

[nimble pebble]

I go game by game basis not by genre

[reef scarab]

I heard someone describe ori as a 6/10 carried by art to look like a 9-10/10

[velvet ruin]

You should still play Ori because it has a great story, phenomenal art and soundtrack

[languid linden]

True

[velvet ruin]

The gameplay is fun too tbh

[nimble pebble]

What if I don’t want to

[stiff burrow]

I think both Ori games are great

[manic zenith]

story is fine

[nimble pebble]

I just said doesn’t look like something that interests me

[burnt topaz]

Is ori more something to watch a playthrough of rather than actually play, its kinda expensive

[velvet ruin]

Just wait for a Steam sale

[stiff burrow]

The first game is like $6

[velvet ruin]

Well, if you play on PC

[pallid flare]

ori 1 is cheap wdym

well on pc

[nimble pebble]

Some games I do prefer to watch over play since the outside prospective actually made me enjoy something I normally wouldn’t if I played it my self

[velvet ruin]

I hate watching walkthroughs

[burnt topaz]

blind forest is cheap yeah, but WotW is kinda pricey and Ive heard that one was better

[nimble pebble]

Who said I watched walkthroughs for entertainment

[stiff burrow]

If you wait for a steam sale it regularly goes down 50%
Also the first game is still good

[languid linden]

Yeah WotW is better imo

[velvet ruin]

Yeah, first game is short but worth playing

[ocean mulch]

Walkthroughs or gameplays

[nimble pebble]

I watch no commentary or I watch a specific person whom I enjoy their commentary to boost the experience one of the two

[velvet ruin]

If you want longer/non linear metroidvanias I'd recommend other titles though

[burnt topaz]

How long to beat is telling me its around 9 hours, thats pretty decent

[nimble pebble]

No amount of words you say could convince me to play a game I don’t want to play

[velvet ruin]

Took me 12 hours I think to 100%, that's not a lot imo

[stiff burrow]

For the price it is

[reef scarab]

Ack

Yeah honestly I only buy games that I know will last me a while

[velvet ruin]

HK has the same price

[nimble pebble]

The Ori cult is back to recruit people who don’t care

[stiff burrow]

Ori 1 is a third the price of HK wym

[reef scarab]

HK, Hades, Dead Cells
They all last a while

[nimble pebble]

I like hades but not dead cells

[velvet ruin]

Oh wow

[reef scarab]

Understandable

[velvet ruin]

Ori 1 costs 6$ for real now

[burnt topaz]

I mean I do like games which last not just for price but because of how i like to play games mostly

[stiff burrow]

I said that earlier. That is the no discount price now

[nimble pebble]

I could spend that on something I actually enjoy a nice lunch

[burnt topaz]

what kind of lunch

[honest river]

finna cop

[stiff burrow]

No one is trying to convince you in particular anymore y'know

[nimble pebble]

Ight

[velvet ruin]

I'm afraid I wouldn't enjoy Hades for long because it looks kinda repetitive

[ocean mulch]

I played Ori it was alrighty I guess

It looked nice

[burnt topaz]

Well, thats roguelikes for you

[velvet ruin]

I know you get stronger everytime you die and there's more lore, but there's always the same 4 areas, more or less the same bosses

[nimble pebble]

Maybe a burger or sandwich from. A restaurant chain preferably the ones that take better care of their ingredients since not only is it healthier but it taste better too. Also the chains here are just a baseline more healthy than the one in the states

[stiff burrow]

The movement in Ori is phenomenal
I would argue the first game is more a platformer than a metroidvania. So you have to go there with the right expectations

[ocean mulch]

I'm hyped for silksong help me

[nimble pebble]

Well, yes it’s a roguelike

The entire point is repetitiveness with different results

[reef scarab]

Adding stuff in the pact of punishment can keep things interesting but I kind of get you

[burnt topaz]

I guess I wouldnt like hades because getting stronger with numbers doesnt appeal to me as much as actually improving not that i think thats the only way you improve

[ocean mulch]

Do any of you guys play simulation strategy games

[nimble pebble]

I have a different reason for hating most roguelikes though

[pallid flare]

I'm a simple man, i like when numbers go up

[nimble pebble]

I fucking hate then so no

[ocean mulch]

The amount of days since SS was revealed

[velvet ruin]

If there's something I hate it's simulation strategy games lol

[pallid flare]

that's why I have played so much terraria, i fucking love being overpowered

[reef scarab]

I love rogue likes because of the way you can feel yourself slowly improving over time and you get rewarded for it. The difficulty ramps up with your skill and you constantly improve.

[stiff burrow]

So you like Idle games too?

[pallid flare]

in a way, yes

[ocean mulch]

idle "games"

[signal crag]

Cookie Clicker?

[reef scarab]

Least favorite genre by far, especially if it’s tabletop

[burnt topaz]

Universal paperclips B)

[pallid flare]

have you ever played factorio?

[stiff burrow]

Cookie Clicker or Clicker Heroes

[nimble pebble]

I’m a simple man I enjoy a variety of game mechanics and it’s more about how the game uses them the. The genre or mechanic itself I could enjoy beating it till it dies but perhaps another day I could go for some ice stat RPGs it depends on the game

[reef scarab]

like god damn why does everyone love Mario + Rabbids and fire emblem they look kinda boring

[nimble pebble]

I own far too many idle games I played so many on steam when I was younger

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[stiff burrow]

Turn based games are prolly my fav games but I don't like those either that much lol

[next vector]

Silksong will be so good!

[ocean mulch]

A game I fell in love with recently is Mini Motorways ❤️

[reef scarab]

I ran cookie clicker during online school for constant gains lol

[velvet ruin]

I don't like turn based RPGs but for some reason I like Pokemon even if I know there's much better ones

[reef scarab]

I can see why you’d like turn based rpg’s, I love persona but for the most part it’s not too much my genre

[pallid flare]

I only like turn based RPGs when they're broken

[ocean mulch]

When you realize you'll get another HK game

[reef scarab]

My favorite types of games are ones where you can theoretically beat the final boss with your starting equipment

[pallid flare]

botw

[burnt topaz]

hk, kinda

[ocean mulch]

What if there aren't any bosses

[reef scarab]

HK.